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importance of speech, language and communication tackling a wide range of social issues. >> i will join my hon. friend in doing that. is an issue to take a close personal interest as well but anyone who worked with disabled children know the importance of speech and language therapies knows there are often not enough to provide all the health and services we need. getting those services through the statement can be tough but i agree with what he says. >> russell brown. >> thank you, mr. speaker. we know that officials from other governments were given the impression that the former defense secretary's unofficial adviser represented the u.k. government. how many people in total were misled? can you provide a list? >> what the hon. gentleman should do is read the report by the cabinet secretary and he
will find all the details he needs about what he was doing but it comes slightly ill from a party with that lectors are lobbying when we know those formative secretary working for a helicopter company and the former home secretary working for a security firm and old mendelssohn -- even the former leader of the prime minister has 120,000 pounds with speeches to credit suisse, visa and citibank. he said he put money into the back. we didn't know he would get it out so quickly. >> we must hear mr. crenshaw. >> returning to europe, does the prime minister accept that moves towards fiscal union within the
euro zone will undermine the single market's and the united kingdom? >> my friend makes an extremely important point which is why we believe a single currency drives the euro zone towards greater fiscal integration, this does pose particular threats and risks to those who want the single market to work properly and that the european council is important to argue safeguards to make sure the single market remains robust and properly protected. of course in the long term it may be that there will be further moves towards further treaties and the rest of it and at that stage there may be opportunities to bring further powers back to britain and maybe the opportunities for a referendum but not -- the right answer is not to hold the referendum in this part of it where we have so much to do to get europe to sort it problems
out. >> a statutory register as lobbyists. will the prime minister also assure that so-called think tanks whose proper gander is aimed to manipulate ministers and the public for their own end should also be required to reveal who ultimately funds them so we all know whose interests they really represent. >> we are committed to having a statutory register of lobbyists and it does need to be put in place and needs to include as the right hon. gentleman said a think tank and other organization and one of the biggest lobbies of all, the lobby that owns the >> you have been watching prime minister's question. it airs live on c-span to every wednesday at 7:00 eastern. it rears and o'clock p.m. eastern. watch any time at c-span.org.
next, remarks by republican presidents show candidate michele bachmann in iowa. then a reporter's roundtable on the 2012 presidential campaign after that, a town hall meeting. >> middle and high school students, it is time to get those cameras rolling. make a five t minuteo 8 minute video on at this year's team and get it to seize and by january 20. you could win the grand prize of $5,000. for complete details, go to studentcam.org. >> michele bachmann spoke to the convocation -- congregation. she talked about growing up in
she is a great, great lady. i was trying to think about how to introduce her and i would use her whole testimony to introduce her. that is what she is going to do, give her testimony. she is a mother of five and a foster mother of 23. you may think that is all you need to know, but there are sold many other things. give a warm welcome to presidential candidate michelle bachmann. [applause] >> good morning news. god bless everyone who is here this morning. it is wonderful to see a church fall. -- full. this is the day the lord has made and we will rejoice and be glad in it. my name is michelle bachmann and i come here today as one who
has been saved by the grace of jesus christ. that is why i'm here, to testify of who he is and of his love for me and what he has done for me as well. i loved the drive we took to get here today. we woke up in des moines, iowa and we got in the car and came out here. i was born in waterloo, iowa. i grew up in waterloo and in cedar falls. our family goes back actually seven generations in iowa. we go back to the 1850's. our family were early norwegian pioneers. have you ever heard of iwegians? when i was growing up, my dad told me that is what we were. i just assumed there was a country called iwegia somewhere.
my great-grandfather, toward the end of his life -- at that time, life span in norway was mid-50s. that is what i am, i am 55 years old. that is when they expired in norway, about 55 years of age. my great grandfather and my great-grandmother looked about in norway and about 2% of the land was tillable. about 98% of the land here is tillable. they heard about this wonderful land of milk and honey known as iowa and they thought, what are we doing here in norway? we want a better chance for our children. it was a tremendous lack of faith.
they sold their farm, everything they had. they have five baht -- they have five biological children and they bought tickets to get on the boat and go to the united states. this was a fairly new adventures still at that time. there had been 80 norwegians who had preceded them and come to iowa and a row something called the muskego manifesto. i am paraphrasing here. it talked about how wonderful this land was and they sent it back to norway as a letter. they talked about in the course of this letter that people can choose any profession they want, can choose to worship god any way they want, and this is something more wonderful than rich's. -- riches. based on those words as they sold their things and said, we want liberty and to practice
our faith and a better life for our kids. does that sound familiar? they put it all on the line and they went down to the dock. everything they had literally was in their trunks. they have their oldest son, halver. he was 11 years of age, but he was a very tall norwegian. you would not know i descend from these people at all. he got down to the ship and the ship captain said, he needs an adult ticket. this is a child's ticket. the ticket was $25 and the family had just sold everything and bought the ticket. their parents -- the parents look at each other and look at the ship captain and said,
well, we do not have any money. what are we going to do? the captain said, i am sorry. he cannot go on. think about this. they are about to embark on this ocean voyage thinking they may not make it across because it was very uncertain and they certainly would never come back again. here they had all the kids and everything they own -- they sold the farm. what are they going to do? they said, you will have to turn around and walked back to the village and find someone to live with because we have got to go. imagine that kind of heartbreak. these are the ancestors that we have descended from. the entire family was heartbroken. nobody was more heartbroken and halver at that moment. there were there at the shore. the whole family got on the ship.
halver remained on the banks and when they were getting on, tears were coming out of their eyes and i guess at berkeley heart of the captain, too. he said, i guess we can have one market on board. it will not sink the ship. -- one more kid on board. it will not sink the ship. they took one month to get over to wisconsin. and from there, they literally had to cut down trees and build a wagon to be able to pull it across wisconsin to get to iowa. they got to desoto. you know where descoto is in wisconsin? they took a cross and actually turned the wagon into a boat. they must have gotten tart or something on that wagon to make it a vote.
-- a boat. everything they have was on that wagon. they had a fairy and the women got across on the ferry. it is pretty wide. it was so horrific that the family recorded -- they were amazed at how, gracious the ferry captain was. the white had given them bread -- the wife had given them bread. then they record of this -- recorded this. and then they got to pay little town called jericho, iowa. the only thing in this area is a two lutheran churches. that tells you something about lutherans. if you have two lutheran churches on the same corner, you might have a division of opinion now and then. my husband and i were there
recently and we looked through some of the records. that where milker and martha are buried. when we started reading the records of the church, these were faithful believers, people with a genuine faith in jesus christ. this was not some happenstance faith. this was not religion. this was not tradition. this was a real faith borne out by real people experiencing perilous times. and here in jericho, iowa, everything was about the church. as we went through the various generations of our own family -- my parents were very faithful. i was born in waterloo.
they took us to the same church bring up and we sat each week in the same pew. my grandmother taught bible study there. but when we grew up, i know without a shadow of a doubt in our lutheran church that the gospel was preached from the pulpit. i have no doubt it was breached. -- preached. but i have to confess to you that i did not understand it. we would go to sunday school in the morning and we have our bibles and i would take -- my bible with and it just did not make any sense to me. there was a vital part of the week. life went on.
my father got a job in honeywell in minneapolis. about a year after we moved up to minnesota, my parents unfortunately got a divorce. there were the first in my family to have a divorce. it happens to millions of people, but it was the first in our family. it was shocking to people. we immediately almost overnight when to below poverty. my father had left my mother had been a full-time homemaker. it was myself and my three brothers. i want you to know god has a tremendous sense of humor. there is no place that is better preparation for politics than for a girl to grow up with three brothers. you learn how to defend yourself very quickly. my mother had to sell everything in our home. then we move to a tiny apartment in the city.
and one thing i want to say -- is in god amazingly wonderful how he will often used challenges in your life and he will brilliantly disguised them as the opportunity for the greatest growth we could ever have and also as a pathway to come to him? there were difficult times and my mother had tremendous faith and she said, hold on. we are going to be fine. with our faith in god we will stick together as a family and we will make this. and when i say this, i mean no condemnation on any individual what i say this, but my mother said this to us -- she said, no one in my family has ever gone on public assistance and we will not do it either. and we did not. we did not have hardly anything, but we got jobs. i got a job babysitting. i was making 50 cents an hour. that was big money back then. i learned very quickly to be a
saber, just like our entire family did because we were determined we were not going to spend more money than what we came in -- that what came in. and my mother made $148 a year. my brother scott paper routes. -- my brothers got paper routes. my mother always said to be grateful you are from iowa. by what is the breadbasket of the world. and it is true. this is such a tremendous stake for feeding people. when we were going through hard times, we held together as a family. if we held together with our faith, but i'd still did not have a living, alive faith. when i was 16 years of age, i had joined every activity there was in school. i loved school and i love being in all the activities. one of the things there was to
do was a prayer meeting before school. i went to the prayer meeting and my friends discovered something i did not know. they discovered i did not really know the lord. even though i went to the prayer meeting, they could send in my spirit that i did not truly know him. he was not true the lord of my life. even though i was a nice person, i did not drink, i did not draw, -- did not smoke, i did not do drugs, i was not chasing wrong with boys. but it did not matter. i still had a wicked heart. i still needed to be saved and damany to jesus christ, but i had not done it at that point -- and bow my knee to jesus christ, but i have not done it at that point. and i had some faithful friends. i heard the way of salvation from the pulpit.
and i heard it, and i did not give my life to the lord at the moment. but it stuck with me. later on i was with three friends of mine and it was this time of year. it was beautiful out. we heard there was going to be a party in our lutheran church on halloween evening. if we decided we would go. we were 16 years of all and end of horsing around and decided we would go to this party. we went, my friends and myself. there was no party of the church, about 10:00 at night, but the doors were open. that was not often the case. we went into the church and when we went in, it was almost like there was a wholly hush that came over the room.
-- a holy hushed that came over the room. we were drawn to the altar. at that moment, a horsing around was done. all of us have a tug and our -- had a tug in our hearts that this was the time for serious business. we came up to the altar and we bowed our knees to the altar and which started talking to god. at that moment, the holy spirit was very powerful. we were there before a holy god. there was no one there, no pastor of in the church. each one of us began to confess our sins to the lord. we started to tear up because we removed emotionally that we were sinners before god -- we were removed emotionally that we
were centers before god. as we support our hearts out and confessed our sins and we repented, which means to turn away 180 degrees from the former life, something absolutely remarkable happened. tears of joy came down our cheeks. for me, i can tell you it was a wonderful, free and experience i had never felt before. we walked back to our apartment and our lives have been changed. we still have our challenging lives, but that night by daud -- i bowed before my bed and all i knew is that i was a new person. the scripture says, behold, we are in the creation when we come to christ.
that is what i felt. i said, lord, i don't know what happened, but i do know this. i will radically abandon my life to you and i give it to you and ask you to come in and make a whole and i will follow you wherever this will lead. after that, i began reading the bible and someone gave me a copy of the living bible. i have never had a copy of the living bible before and i began reading it and i could not get enough of it. it was as if they fail had been lifted from my eyes. if the word of god was alive to me. i had an appetite and a hunger for the word of god i had never had before. i started to set my alarm, as a 16 year-old, at 5:00 a.m. i got up at 5:00 a.m. so i could spend a solid hour reading the word of god before going tog the word of god before going to
school. and i was reading limitations, -- lamentations, jeremiah, second chronicles. i could not get enough. it was as if the board was just filling meet with his word. -- filling me with his word. it was -- it was as if the lord was just filling me with his word. we had a dull said to us under their wings and started to teach us. their wings and started to teachthis was in 1972. november 1, when i came to jesus christ, and i will say this. it changed my life forever, coming to the lord. it was not that all of a sudden, we went from being below poverty to all of a sudden having money. and things started to change. we did not suddenly get out of poverty. i went from working at a bus to supervising kids at lunch.
to work my way through college. i worked my way through lawgod brought me a wonderful, got the man who also gave his life when he was 16. my husband was also a farmer and his grandmother had a kg on the television and keep -- had billy kurram on television and he also -- billy graham on television, and they also gave his life to the lord. and there was a film series by france's shaver called "how -- francis schaefer called "how should we then now live" and in that film series talked about how jesus needs to be a part of every part of our life. at that time we were not even boyfriend and girlfriend.
dr. schaefer said abortion was the watershed issue of our time. how people view that will determine how they view so many other issues. that struck a chord with us. we thought that is really true. and so, my husband and i were a challenge. my husband and i were challenged. we wanted to do more than just talk the talk. we got married right out of college. we wanted to walk the walk. we began reaching out to young women who were unwed mothers. we reached out to them to try to help them have solutions, to counsel them. we often offered to drive them, and drive them to pro-life centers. i went through childbirth causes with women who were on wed and about to have a baby. i held their hands as they gave birth. later we had some people in our church during foster care. the lord tug on my heart and
asked us to consider foster care. it is the greatest experience of my life to bring 23 foster children into the home. god gave us five biological children, and even before they were born, we had read a book and had talked about this. god gave us 23 foster's children. my husband and i both thought this would be a wonderful opportunity. we had home schooled our time and then put them in private christian school. we believed we had to answer for how we raise our children. i am pleased to tell you that each of our five biological know the lord. they walk with the lord. they are wonderful kids. we have been married 33 years. we have our five biological children and our 23 foster children. you are looking at the old woman in the shoe. just so you know. it has been a great experience. there is so much more i can testify of the love of the board. when i was in the law school,
that is when the lord gave me my life. i was praying one day and out of the blue, the lord gave me a first and i adopted it as a the first for my life. -- the lord gave me a verse, and i adopted it as my verse for my life. it is second corinthians, now the lord is that spirit, and where the spirit of the lord is, there is liberty. that has been my motivation throughout my life. the lord set me free. he set me free to serve him, to love life, to enjoy life, to pour myself into other people, to see the beautiful world he made, and to see what i could do to be a part of that world. he has shown us his glory. he has come to set the captives free. he is the author of liberty and in my life, i want to do whatever i can to be a part of bringing all liberty and freedom to people in any realm that i possum -- bringing liberty and freedom to people in any realm that i can. i worked as a federal tax
litigation attorney. i have opposed doctorate degree in tax law. -- post doctorate degree in tax law. my husband and i started our own small business. we have been so blessed and so grateful to have walked with him all these years. the one thing i would say to anyone who is watching this over television or all of you who are here or by satellite is that ko'd is no -- god is no respecter of persons. he is not partial. what he would do for one, he would do for all. he died for our sins, and it is important for us to recognize, we were born in sin. that is what happened as the result of the fall of adam and eve. all of us have been born into sin. but there is not one, not one, no matter what we have done in our life, whether we have murdered someone or committed some terrible act that we think we could never before given a
four, there is absolutely nothing that any -- be forgiven for, there is absolutely nothing that any of us could have done that could move us away from god. from the love of a holy god. he is so anxious to receive each one of us. everyone, a round of the world, he died for everyone, man, women, all races, all ethnicities. he died for us all. to redeem us. if you look at the word of god, that is all his book is. the scarlet thread of redemption goes from genesis to revelation. god wants to draw as to himself. -- draw us to himself. that is the ultimate goal for all of mankind. i am so grateful for what jesus has done for me. i am so grateful he saw fit to die for my sins. i am grateful to my friends -- that my friends prayed for me and ultimately i was able to receive him.
he redeemed my life. whatever i am and whatever i have i pour out for him and his service. i thank you for allowing me to be here and worship you here today at this wonderful church. thank you, pastor floyd. [applause] >> thank you. thank you. i am going to have her stay up here for just a few moments. i am going to ask a few questions. i could ask her questions all day. people are trying to catch her and she proves she knows more than anyone answering the questions. that is not my point today. i will ask a couple of questions here. we do not have too much time, but prayer has been taken out of the school. that is when test scores, i
believe that is when everything started going downhill. when president roosevelt was president, while our troops were storming the beaches of normandy, he led the nation in prayer. people sang, how could you do that. -- saying, how could you do that? fdr did that. at that time. if he were president, is that -- if you had the opportunity as president, is that something you would do? >> yes. a president does not lose their first amendment right to freedom of speech and liberty. and religious worship. i would be most pleased to do that, to lead the nation in prayer. we have seen that not only with fdr, but you can go back to the time of george washington. washington had a prayer for the nation. as a matter of fact, when washington was sworn in as the president, he raised his right arm and he swore to uphold the constitution of the united states.
as president, his first act was to take the bible he put his hand on, washington established that precedent. he put his hands, and the bible was open, and when it was over, president washington took the bible and kissed the bible as the word of god in recognition that this is a sacred trust that was being given to him. now, certainly, our nation wisely does not have an established national church. that is what our founders did not want. they were right to stand for religious liberty. president have a religious faith. we do not demand that people worship at a certain church. if you look at the first amendment, government should not prohibit religious speech and expression, particularly in the public squares. that is why you have a first
amendment to read congress is not to establish a law against -- first amendment. congress is not to establish a lot against religious worship. and i think it is time that people stand up our faith. that is one of the freedoms that our founders bled and died for [applause] >> very good. very good. yes, our founding fathers, i am going to talk about that, and our founding fathers, it was interesting that even as recently asfdr it has been done. thank you for saying that. i know you could go on for an hour on this question. this is a passion of yours. she is very educated on this and knows a lot about it. support israel and how important is it that we support israel? >> i think it is vital that we
support israel. absolutely. i have been concerned about the president. this is not a political speech. but i have been concerned about those actions. the day after i read with high- school i went to israel and i spent a summer working on a kibutz. and being in israel with the jewish people, and we stand up for our ally, israel. i think it is very dangerous that for the first time since israel declared her sovereignty, 11 minutes after israel declared her sovereignty, a democrat president, harry truman, recognize israel and her sovereignty. that was the greatest help that israel could have had, to have the prestige and the power of the united states behind israel. when we put it daylight between the netted states and israel,
that raises hostility -- between the netted states and israel, -- the united states and israel, that raises hostility. i think it is important that our nation stand with israel. there is no other friend likewe benefit by that friendship and israel benefits as well. we are blessed as a nation. we are blessed as a nation when we bless israel. we were told that in the old testament. we need to be praying for the peace of jerusalem. >> that is why i bring that up. the bible talks about that. i am not going to ask questions about taxes. israel, it has to be near and dear to your heart. i think anybody is studies. -- whose studies. -- i think anybody who studies, it would be near and dear to their heart. if we do not stand up for israel, i think as a country, as a big country as us, it would be the end of about writ country. we will not be as great as we are.
-- the end of our great country. we will not be as great as we are. whose responsibility is it to educate our children? who gave them that responsibility? >> it belongs to the parents. the responsibility. >> amen. >> dodd has given children two parents -- god has given children two parents. he has given responsibility to the parents. we took that seriously. we believed it is our responsibility to present the gospel of jesus christ. we also believe it was our responsibility to make sure they were educated. i know my mother, we did not have a lot of money, she always made sure there were books. every day, before nap time, as a little girl, i remember crawling in my mother's lap, we had the big chair and we were all sitting on her lap in the big chair, she would have a stack of books this high. every day, we would go through that whole stack of books.
it was the best part of the day. even though we did not have much money, like i said, my brothers grew up to be extremely successful. and then you have me. they all grew up to be extremely successful. i looked back -- i honor my father and my mother. i look back to both of them into -- and their example. i am so grateful for that example in our own life. they consistently read to us. they made shore -- sure that education was an important part of what we did. they wanted to make war that we -- sure that we read. and i would say in our own lives, for my husband and i, we made sure that we home school our children. we educate our biological children at home. we wanted to make sure they could read. if they can read, they can educate themselves. if they are motivated to read, and so, we tried to put in our children a love for learning. we caught them at home. -- we taught them at home.
our oldest biological son is now a position to read the second -- a physician, and the second one has been teaching for two years -- is now a physician. the second one has been teaching for two years. we have three girls in college. it begins at home. the responsibility as parents, parents may delegate that responsibility up to someone else, or ultimately, it is parents who have that responsibility. >> thank you. ok. questions. thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you, pastor floyd. [applause] >> hi, tony. thank you, i appreciate it. [indistinct conversation] thank you, pastor floyd. you did a wonderful service.
you put a lot into it. you are amazing. did you just put these banners up today? >> we always have those up. >> oh, do you? that is beautiful. i can help but feel welcome. -- can't help but feel welcome. >> i hope you do. >> thank you. you're visiting? you are visiting. good to meet you. i am michelle. >> i am terry johnston. >> where are you from? is this your church? >> no, but we stopped by. >> i am glad that you did. thank you.
>> joe johnston. >> good to meet you, joe. >> good luck. >> how many kids did you have? >> 6. >> when you have protection, like keep going? -- perfection, why keep going? i remember. are the girls downstairs in the nursery? >> yes. >> are they? >> yes. >> hopefully you will be able to meet the baby. >> i remember, just as we were leaving. >> i have seven children. i am from here. this is my son justin. >> were you here last night? hi, justin. it is good to meet you. very nice to meet you. >> congresswoman michele bachmann. >> and this is? hi, tiffany.
good to meet you. i can see the resemblance. good to meet you. how old are you? >> i am four. >> they are 21, 20, my 20-year- old is in the marines. 19, 17, 13, 6, and 3. >> you are busy. oh, my goodness. you are very, very busy. bless you, that is awesome. >> i started home schooling them all to read what it is a challenge. it is a lot of work -- all. >> it is a challenge. just take it easy. you are really pouring into those kids in a beautiful way. hi there. thank you. thank you. >> i am supposed to tell you from california that we have a lot of california for you. >> we were just out there last week. thank you, thank you. are you from there? >> i am from here in iowa. >> ok. >> i was born in ames, iowa.
i graduated. >> good. hi, marc. i thought your face looks familiar. good to see you. you know each other, right? >> could i get a picture? >> do you want to be a picture? -- be in the picture? we can get someone else. peter will take it. >> that is perfect. >> i am glad we could do that. what a great family. you are doing wonderful work. hang in there. it is worth it in the long run. you both. thank you. there she is. i was looking for the better half. [laughter] well, thank you again. thank you, so much. thank you. thank you.
thank you. >> michelle -- >> thank you. [indistinct conversation] >> we met you a couple of times. >> you are running the city council? >> that is hurt. you are the -- that is her. you are the one running. it will be worth it. >> thank you. i am glad i got to meet you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> thank you. thank you. is this your home church prove -- home church? >> we attend here sometimes. >> good to meet you.
>> we live just outside of town. . you have a great, brown eyes. -- >> you have great, brown eyes. that is what my dad had, eyes like that. brown eyes. i am glad i got to meet you. >> can i get a picture with you? >> yes. hi there. >> this is my friend. we came down. >> you can all that way? oh, my goodness. aren't you darling. let's take a photo. we have to commemorate here. you are such a sweet girl. >> thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. it was very good to meet youare you related? >> no.
i am a volunteer for you too. thank you. thank you. we could not do without you. thank you. good to see you again. i'm glad you came out today. going to have a good day? >> maybe, yes. >> well, yes. let's take a picture. this is the one you want to ask. [indistinct conversation] [laughter] hi there. i am so glad you were here today. >> we really enjoyed it. god bless you. >> is this your home church? thank you. >> no. >> no?
where do you go? >> a little town of murray, 10 miles away. >> i am so pleased he made the effort today. -- you made the effort today. it is absolutely spectacular. it is beautiful. >> my grandparents came from sweden. >> of, they did? >> when you said norway -- >> yes, sir. thank you. thank you. [indistinct conversation] >> we are going through some tough times. >> they are hard times. that is like what my mothertime is a wonderful healer. the lord comes and he restores.
he restored as. that is what it is all about. -- he restores. that is really hard. a very, very hard. [indistinct conversation] thank you. >> i wish my daughter were here today. you know, when i first looked at you, you know who i thought you were? she can watch it on c-span. i thought you were another member of congress, chip. have you ever met him? a congressman from minnesota. [laughter] i saw him when i was back voting on the free-trade agreement. i was talking to chip. how did i vote on the free trade?
i voted for it. they were four years in the making. there you go. thank you, mark. >> i wanted to say hi and thanks for coming. >> good to meet you. >> thank you. >> good luck to you. >> do you go here? >> i go to a different church. >> i am so glad you came today. thank you. >> that actually came out good. >> hello, how are you? [indistinct conversation] that will be good. you are from florida? actually. >> where? >> i'm from canada. >> ok. what's your ready.
i'm so happy i got -- >> you are ready. thank you for coming. >> pleased to have you running. >> what is your name? i am so happy i got to meet the. >> i have a tough question for you. i will tell you i am a vietnam of the trend. the vietnam cause was a lie. -- the vietnam veteran. two tourists. the vietnam cause was a lie. nixon finally got as out of there. nobody likes to say the allies they were. now here we are in afghanistan. and here we are, knocking on the door of pakistan. and of course, the weapons of mass destruction in iraq were never found. where do you stand in where our country belongs in the world? do we still need troops in germany, in japan? do we need to have our thumb in the world's business everywhere?
>> no, we do not. we have to be careful. that is one thing we have to be very careful about, which george washington said in his farewell address. we have to be careful for unnecessary war. you have to prove that you have a vital american national interest to ever put an american man or woman soldier in harm's way. we have been put in libya and then also now in you gonna. -- uganda. central africa. if there is anything we learned, koran and afghanistan, -- iran and afghanistan, once you get in a conflict, it is difficult to extricate. when you go, you need to go and get the job done right. you need to go to win. and then, secure peace, and get out. now, we are deeply involved in i oppose that effort in uganda, as well. afghanistan. iraq is kicking us out by the end of the year. the problem is iran is working in the wings.
to have dominance in the iraqi region. it is a mess. it is a mess. it is a real mess. the best thing that we can do is to keep ourselves secure and safe here and build ourselves up. i believe that we need to stand on our own two feet. we have been paying for their defense for far too long. they need to stand on their own two feet. we have to take care of the problems we have here right now. >> thank you for not dodging the question. >> yes. >> the priority i always try to sell, i have tried to visit with everybody, if you are willing to send somebody else's sons and daughters to iraq, are you willing to send your own? is it important enough for you to die for? do you believe in it that much? >> i agree. you have to be willing to answer that question. >> yes. >> you do, you do. we have two sons. i have three daughters.
you have to be able to answer that question. i have called many parents to represent weblog as a son or daughter. there is no more difficult call. there is no more difficult equity than for a parent to lose a child. -- difficult call. there is nothing more difficult. thank you for serving our country. when were you there? >> 1968, 69, in due 1970. >> -- into 1970. >> my cousins were in vietnam. i had two cousins who were over there. it was an awful time. >> i was a helicopter pilot. i got to see a lot of the country. i got to fly for the cia. i flu for the navy. -- i flew for the navy and others.
a lot of instances in the book, i was there. i was an army helicopter pilot. >> you did? oh my. i am so glad you asked the question and that i was able to talk to you. thank you so much. >> i am aware of the book that was written. a lot of the instances in that you have to go. >> thank you for your service. thank you, so much. >> thank you, very, very much. god bless you. [indistinct mumbling] [indistinct conversations] >> watch more video of the candidates, see what political reporters are saying, and attract the latest contributions on the c-span website for camp in 2012. easy to use, it helps you navigate the political landscape, with twitter feeds, biographies, and the latest polling data, plus links it to the early primary and caucus states. this is all it c-span.org
/campaign2012. >> next, a discussion on the latest of the 2012 presidential campaign. from "washington journal," this is about 50 minutes. host: our sunday roundtable. we want to welcome amy gardner of "the washington post." jonathan martin a "politico." thank you for being with us. the nevada caucus is set for february 4. guest: we will have primaries and caucuses in the year 2012, not the possibility that we are going to start in december, as was the potential when nv said they would start early in 2012. it would have been a full week -- a little bit more breathing time than we had four years ago, when i was on thursday in new
hampshire was on tuesday -- iowa was on thursday in new hampshire and -- iowa was on thursday and a new hampshire was on tuesday. guest: they are trying to be relevant as one of the early- state competitions. there was a downside. the public was not going to appreciate his campaigning in the onslaught on their tv sets -- appreciate this campaigning and the onslaught on their tv sets. we think there will be very sympathetic to looking at campaign ads during -- we do not think they will be very sympathetic to looking at campaign ads during christmas. host: your the comments of the texas governor, rick perry -- here are the comments of the texas governor, rick perry. >> one final thought on the
issue of life. it is a liberal canard to say i am personally pro-life, but government should stay out of that decision. if that is your view, you are not pro-life. you are pro-having-your-cake- and-eating-it-too. we respect life. [applause] we respect life as a gift of god. what god has created, we should always work to protect. >> -- host: the comments of governor rick perry. there are comments about rick perry touting his love affair with guns. he went pheasant hunting yesterday. amy gardner, who was his audience? in terms of the audience in the room and the larger audience in the republican field? guest: in iowa, republican electorate is dominated, perhaps even more so than other states, by evangelical, christian voters. it is certain people who are
pro-life and want to hear candidates say unequivocally that they are opposed to abortion. we have heard some different answers from herman cain, for example, who has said that he is opposed to abortion in all cases, even in cases such as rape or when it threatens the life of the mother, but he has also equivocated. host: jonathan martin, two candidates who were not there -- jon huntsman and mitt romney. guest: mitt romney has decided he is not going to go to the cattle call -- every cattle call. he is not going to try to curry favor with every party leader, every interest-group leader. i think that this is emblematic of that attack -- tack. he has been very careful. so, adding this reflects
romney's sort of caution -- i think this reflects romney's saur of caution when it comes to iowa. host: the headline this morning from "the las vegas sun," speaking out on the calendar issues. how does this for in the election and the issues for candidates like mitt romney -- how does this frame the election and the issues for candidates like mitt romney? guest: if you look at the foreclosure rate, the issue set there would have been very different than in iowa or new hampshire, which have not had economic challenges. new hampshire has one of the most positive -- in the country. adding that will both change the nature of the campaign because of the nature -- i think that will both change the nature of the campaign because of the nature of iowa.
i do think if nevada had stayed in january and kept some degree of early supremacy, you would have seen more talk about the state of economy and housing. host: bobby jindal cruising to a second term, the headline from the times picayune well -- "the times picayune." guest: rick perry is going to louisiana for a fund-raiser in the next couple of days, which, of course, governor jindal has endorsed mr. perry, so there's a little bit of energy and momentum to help mr. perry with fund-raising. guest: the democratic party in louisiana is typically so strong. it did not yield any major party candidate for any of the statewide slots -- they did not feel any major party candidate for any of the statewide slots. if you're going to be a national
ticket or in the white house -- host: you have been on this program many times. we have a lot of loyal viewers, none more so than joe mccut cheon. let me take a wild guess. you are going to be talking about mitt romney. caller: yes, i am. i love c-span. i am from a small town. we're trying to make it the no. 1 from the town in america. we are really fired up -- the number one mitt romney town in america. we are really fired up. who do you think would be the best running mate? a lot of people think it would be -- what is your opinion on who he ought to choose if he wins the nomination? i certainly hope he does. host: before we let you go, colonel oscar poole, who is he and is he a real colonel?
caller: no, he's not. he started his own business. he has been extremely successful. he is one of the strongest republicans and infantry -- republicans in the country. we're inviting him to come to our barbecue restaurant. host: you may have a story there. guest: i think romney, if he is the nominee, is going to have a wealth of options to choose from. if he had a mccain challenge, he needs to fire up his party's base. then if you look at a candidate like marco rubio or herman cain, somebody who was going to fire up the base and give you a boost. if you want to take a more safe and cautious approach, you could look at a more experienced
candidate, somebody like a mitch daniels, somebody that has been in government for some time and knows their way was around -- their way around washington. host: your publication published a response from marco rubio, talking about what he did or did not know about his parents 10 years before he was even born. guest: it seems like he has come out with a pretty strong in answer. this is a story that has been passed down to my family lore. host: the story is what? guest: he has made it an enormous part of his biography that his parents came here following the communist takeover of cuba and threat of communism, when, in fact, records show his family came here before the fall. and so, it is a conflict.
it is a contradiction. guest: it is a really fascinating story, because he has clearly indicated one thing, when the facts are his parents did not come until -- did not come after the revolution. it is not the same problem as 1977, 1970, when the candidate was caught making the facts about his family. this is a second hand sin -- second-hand sin. this is not a first-hand account -- account, so there is some cover there, politically. he has said his parents did not come until after -- i am sorry -- after the revolution, that they came before. there is some hazy area. the big picture -- this is not helpful to his cause if he wants to be the vp.
he hasn't been totally vetted. guest: we do not know yet how long the legs are in this story. it depends on the trajectory of center rubio -- senator rubio's career. all eyes are on him and where he is going to go. he is clearly going to be in the short list for vice- presidential picking process for whoever the nominee is going to be. guest: he has publicly been very emphatic that he does not want to be on the ticket next year. his campaign is ferocious -- his office boss perot just pushed back would reflect the desire to appease keep this -- his office's ferocious push-back would reflect the desire to keep his political standing. caller: i was disabled a few
years ago. they have been minimizing the -- a large majority of people had heard about his message and what he wanted to present to the country to me as a free nation again -- country to make us a free nation again. they want to minimize him and call him a nut case. it is all correct. it is all money, money, money. ron paul has stayed with the same message for 20-years-plus, and they want to just minimize him all the time. what is the problem of these people? are they afraid to admit the truth? guest: actually, i think ron paul has been one of the most consistent politicians in washington. while substantively, he is the same person, tactically -- he has tried to be more of a mainstream candidate this time around. he had some pretty glitzy tv
ads. you saw him last night in the morning at the christian, conservative dinner -- in des moines at the christian conservative dinner. these are things he did not do in the last campaign. he is trying to move a tad bit more toward the mainstream, at least symbolically, technically. why is ron paul not taken more seriously? among the wide swath of gop voters, he simply as a ceiling he cannot get beyond because he is not in the party's mainstream on foreign policy. on fiscal issues, he is moving closer to party or the party is moving closer to him. i wonder what this campaign would be like if rand paul, his son, had decided to run for president, not the father. the father is in his 70 prospered there are generational issues. rand paul -- his father is in his 70's. there are generational issues.
rand paul -- what would it have been like in this tea party era? host: ron paul is retiring from congress next year. guest: so his son will be the only paul in congress, the senator from kentucky. guest: i agree with everything jon has said. there is a ceiling to congressman paul's reported -- support. we heard this -- his views on foreign policy in the debate. he is not to be dismissed, of course, as a factor in the field. i believe there is a $2 million -- it is real money. that affects the field. guest: he raised $8 million in the third quarter of this year. that is not quite the money that romney or perry raised, but that
is serious money that could keep him on tv for some time. the challenges, even as he tries to be a more mainstream candidate, as he watched the debates, he cannot help himself. he has to talk about the federal reserve and foreign policy, because that is where his heart is. guest: i think people are noticing -- i am -- that he is aging. he is older than he was four years ago, and it shows. it shows in the debate paprika -- debate format. he looks a little bit stooped and tired. i think that hurts him. host: another store that is likely to drive the day -- story that is likely to drive the day.
guest: there is another interesting detail. he actually went up against president clinton in the mid- 1990's at some kind of a health care town hall, where he was pushing back against health care reforms that were on the table at the time. this story has the potential to cut both ways. there is something his opponents can pick up on, that it is not -- he is not a washington outsider that he claims to be. on the other hand, he was fighting the good fight on some of the ideological and economic issues that he is continuing to
advocate today. so he can fight back with that narrative, as well. guest: he does not often talk about his service there, because obviously running them major washington trade group is not as helpful -- because, obviously, running a major washington triggered is not as helpful as an outsider running a business -- major washington trade group is not as helpful as an outsider running a business. does have some relationships here in town -- he does have some relationships here in town. host: he talked about his nine- nine-nine plant, but called it 9-0-9 with regard to those who fault -- 9-9-9 plan, but called it 9-0-9 with regard to those who are below the poverty line. i would love to win in iowa -- >> i would love to win in iowa. i will campaign here.
i intend to campaign in all of the early states, at least, and maybe all of the states at some point. host: we will go to hurricane in a moment. that sets up our caller from iowa -- we will go to herman cain in a moment. that sets up our caller from iowa. that was an event in the city -- in sioux city. we're joined by amy gardner of "the washington post" and jonathan martin a "politico." tom -- jonathan martin of "politico." tom? ok. michael in new york. good morning. caller: are you there? host: we sure are. caller: we ought to have a single, six-year-term president. public funding. in other words, a national
primary in june. whoever wins become the nominee of the party. we could end all of this. the way it is right now, thanks to citizens united, they have opened up the doors and nobody can really win and just do something to make this country more democratic. host: thank you. a six-year term, one term for the president, and a national election. guess now that would require some constitutional amendments -- guest: that would require some constitutional amendments that would take a lot of time. it seems you're unlikely. guest: not to mention what it would do -- it seems very unlikely. guest: not to mention what it would do to have double nominations every six years. host:, is joining us from ohio -- tom is joining us from iowa.
what are you seeing and hearing on the ground from the romney campaign in light of the event we covered last night, the faith and freedom forum, in which both jon huntsman and mitt romney did not appear? caller: romney was not there. we was -- he is not wooing the social conservatives the way he did four years ago. he has been keeping his arms length, letting the republicans bang it out ahead of the iowa gop straw poll. i think seeing an opening here and rick perry not taking off the way people may be expected, romney is pivoting. he is looking much more seriously at campaigning hard in iowa. hart is a relative term for a
guy who spent $10 million here -- "hard" is a relative term for a guy who spent $10 million here four years ago. he keeps in touch with regular supporters. he is building neat support among agribusiness and the small business -- niche support among agribusiness and the small- business community. he thinks that he can surprise in the iowa -- in iowa in january. it makes perfect sense that he was not at this faith and freedom forum, because it is not his crowd. he is very happy to let six other candidates fight like dogs over the social conservative base, because he can surprise in january. host: since the caucus began in your state in 1972, you have to either come in first, second, or third. no candidate who has received the nomination has failed to come in on the top three in the
caucus. caller: the only exception would be john mccain, who finished a close fourth four years ago. there was a fading fred thompson. host: it was essentially a tie for fourth place. taller >> i forget exactly what the numbers were -- caller: i forget exactly what the numbers work. this is starting to look like that model. you will have somebody who emerges as a social-conservative favorite. like i said, we have communities -- conservative communities like past doors and christian home schooled groups -- conservativep communities -- astor -- like a said, we have communities like pastors and christian home-school
groups. rick santorum knows this crowd well. but he does not have money. ron paul sort of touches those things but trips immediately back to their federal reserve -- the federal reserve. cain has a problem on abortion. it leaves an opening for romney, as an economic conservative, to emerge. guest: you may have heard the soundbite. i think you were there in person. it was about 30 seconds. he was talking about how he wants to win iowa. is he preserving the option of playing there? caller: it is an answer that he has given throughout the years. it was not newsworthy, except for the fact that we know now
that he is turning the heat up in iowa. he is making plans to be here more often to look at where he has finished. you talk to ron paul's ceiling. -- about ron paul's ceiling. first or second is within range. guest: what are the chances that the conservatives do not coalesce around a single person, as they did with hoppity -- mike huckabee four years ago? what if the electorate on that side of the spectrum remains divided? is that a possibility? it is, there is potential for mitt romney to actually win iowa -- if it is, there is
potential for mitt romney to actually win iowa. caller: we know that rick perry has money to drop in iowa, perhaps with some pretty aggressive ads, especially if romney is going to play harder there. that community of social conservatives has not gravitated to any one of these the way they did with mike huckabee four years ago. michele bachmann remains a factor. people who were early with her remain loyal, but her star has faded. she has stayed in regular touch with these evangelical pastors that are so well-connected and active, but her campaign mechanism here has become a little bit loose. her visits have not been as regular. at any rate, nobody is really getting that mike huckabee bust of four years ago -- buzz of
four years ago -- ago. caller: is your staff -- guest: is her staff suffering in the kind of attrition like -- any kind of attrition like we saw in new hampshire? caller: her national, political director remains headquartered here. guest: i also wonder how much governor perry's economic proposal, which we liddy tells of on tuesday, i believe in south carolina -- which we believe we will hear on tuesday, how much do you think that has to do with attracting support in iowa, where, of course, four years ago, the fair-tax movement was a pretty big factor in mike huckabee's win, right? caller: i keep thinking there
is this untapped reserve of the -- in iowa. he and romney will be fighting it out for these economic conservatives. the extent to which the flat tax that, iat -- a part of do not have a handle. they are, ikn romn -- if you ook at perry,h he has been making overtures to the social conservatives, which they said would hurt. bank -- would hurt perry. host: tom beaumont, the iowa political correspondent for the associated press. we'll be seeing a lot more of you. thank you for being with us.
the front page of the "des moines register." iowans came in second in giving to the obama campaign. they are trying to figure out who has given to the presidential candidates. guest: iowa is more of a grass- roots state, than a money state. you have those who follow politics so intensely they do not just go to the polls. i would venture it is obama in small-dollar cash. guest: it is important to remember what president obama did four years ago in iowa. he pushed far ahead the caucus process. he brought out incredible
amounts of voters. it is a swing state. it is a potentially important battleground in the general election. host: i will ask about another swing state. amy gardner of "the washington post." jonathan martin of "politico." berman came was speaking about his 909 -- herman cain was speaking about his 9-9-9 plan, and 9-0-9 for those who fall below the poverty line. >> number one, how do we deal with the poor, those that are at or below the poverty level? we already have this provision in there and we have still raised the same amount of money. if you are at or below the poverty level, your plan is not 9-9-9, it is 9-0-9.
say amen, y'all. 9-0-9. if you are at or below the poverty level, based upon family size, because there is a different number for each one, then you do not pay that middle 9 tax. that is how we help the poor. host: this plan has resonated. guest: it certainly has. it is helping herman cain, but he is facing a challenge now, because with success comes criticism, not just from us in the media, but from his opponents. he came under intense attack on this plan from nearly every one of his opponents, who are finding flaws. i think that is why you see him in detroit, in that sound bite, tweaking the plan. what was a magical about this
was that it was so simple. -- what was so magical about this was that it was so simple. if you have to amend it, it becomes more complicated. guest: he is not changing it, he is just tidings of the night was already -- he is just highlighting something that was already there. last week, right before the debate, we saw a pretty devastating analysis that showed the overwhelming majority of american taxpayers would see their taxes go up under this plan. the overwhelming majority of millionaires would see their taxes go down. that is not a good message for herman cain. guest: herman cain, a man with a plan. richard is joining us from bristol, england, on the bbc parliament channel. go ahead, please.
caller: hello. good afternoon. thank you. my question -- obviously, america has got a lot of austerity measures taking place at the moment. in relation to the election, americans, compared to many other nations, you spend not just a couple million dollars, it is like multibillion-dollar budgets for elections sometimes when a new u.s. president is elected. what are you guys going to do to cut the fat from the selection process -- this election process? if the people in your country cannot even afford to keep a roof over your head and food in their belly, which some people cannot, unfortunately, how're you going to be taken seriously internationally? that is one of the biggest
questions you need to ask at this time, before you even start campaigning. host: thank you, richard. guest: it's actually a very smart question, i think a few of us have thought of. there are -- you can have these well-lit debates, all kinds of graphics, technology. it is a reminder that there is this very expensive campaign going on. it is their choice to give this money. so, if they are spending it, soeme folks in iowa and new hampshire would say it is
helping the economy as they spend it on television and radio. host: 20 years ago, when there would be a debate, we would simulcast those on c-span. now they are on -- amy gardner says, "with each debate, the candidates become increasingly cartoonish as they become caricatures. they're holding up pretty well under the circumstances, but it is the nature -- the nature of the beast." guest: it is interesting to that hearing we will probably have a lot more -- it is interesting. i think we will probably have a lot more clarity after this. i do not think we know why. one thing i have heard and that i think it sounds right,
because we are so wide open and we do not know who will be the nominee, we really do not know yet, there is this uncertainty. it is keeping the field broad. it is keeping candidates in play. it is keeping voters tune in -- attuned. guest: it is not winnowing the debate stage. you used to have a certain threshold. you're not seeing any candidates be pushed off, so >> tomorrow, political logger -- blogger craig crawford discusses the president's planned. mark pinsky talks about his companies plan to team up with starbucks. and nirvi shaw looks at the
disability education act. live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c- span. next, a town hall meeting with house minority whip steny hoyer. then a senate hearing on the cheek 20 -- g-20. then at a senate hearing with ron paul. on monday, steny hoyer held a town hall meeting to discuss his "make it in america" plan which aims to create jobs across the country. this is one hour and 20 minutes.
>> i want to say how pleased i am to be here. i want to yield to our student leader. we are pleased that we are here and we thank you for your hospitality. ladies and gentlemen, miss benson, our principal. quest i want to thank congressman hoyer for selecting -- >> i want to thank congressman hoyer for selecting westlake high school. i want to introduce you to two of our finest students. we have with us yaffet meshesha
and we have taylor brooks, our student member to the board of education. taylor brooks was also a congressional page the summer of 2010 for congressman hoyer. thank you. [applause] >> to congressman hoyer and his staff, the national and state elected officers, the elected officials, and guests, good evening. my name is yaffet meshesha and i and the president of the student government. on behalf of the student body, staff, and members of the community, i would like to welcome you to westlake high school.
we are honored to host this meeting. again, we welcome you. [applause] >> good evening. congressman hoyer and graduated from prince george's county in 1963. he credited with high honors from the university of maryland. in 1966, he received his law degree from georgetown university. when he was 27, he won a seat in the maryland senate. in 1975, he was elected president of the senate, the youngest ever. he served in the senate until 1978. he was a member of the state board of education from 1978 to 1981. in 1981 he became a congressman. he has held barry's leadership positions including majority leader.
he currently serves on the st. mary's college board of trustees. he is a former member of the board of regents of the university system of maryland and the united states maple a can of the. -- naval academy. [applause] >> thank you very much. it seems to work a lot better now that the students have gotten it warm up. thank you very much for that introduction. thank you for your leadership. taylor is a member of the school board. she is a very important young lady in the. -- indeed. i know you are very proud of that young lady. we have a proud parent sitting
in front here. but police so. -- rightfully so. we have a number of leaders in this county. i want to introduce the president of our board of commissioners. thank you for being here. and a member of the board of county commissioners is also here. is ruben here yet? he just left. i have heard that story before. [laughter] we will catch him next time. my good friend rex, the sheriff is here. i understand delegate wilson will be on his way. we thank him for that. the chairman of the democratic central commission is here. [applause]
virginia benedict, a former chair of the democratic committee. [applause] the chair of the republican a subcommittee -- central committee. i am so very pleased to be here with all of you at this town meeting. what we wanted to do today or tonight was to discuss an agenda which i have been pushing very hard. america is facing great challenges all over. america is not producing the number of jobs that people need in america. you need to create some 100, the 5000 jobs every month in america -- 125,000 jobs every month in america to stay even. we have been averaging less than
that. we have created some 2 million jobs over the last 24 months. that is a very significant job creation. when you have lost 8 million jobs in the past eight years, you still have that 75% deficit in jobs. that is not counting the new people coming in. although we in this area are relatively better off, we are not as well-off as we were when the recession started in december. we are better off than many regions around the country. for that, we can be thankful. we are not trouble-free. we have too many foreclosures. we have too many people up of work. -- out of work. some 6.5% on average in southern maryland.
a little above or a little below. in the six and a half range. one county is over 7%. the national average is 9.1%. we need to get our economy moving. we have pursued the "make it in america" agenda. that is what we are here to talk about. i am hopeful we will focus on the "make it in america" agenda in the coming congresses. "make it in america" is all about as competing in the global marketplace. it is about making sure that we succeed in america in grasping opportunities, jobs for our people. make it means success. you win the ballgame.
you aced the test, you make it. you get the job, you make it. make it in america. the other factor of "make it in america" is "make it" in america. it means you manufacture it in america. you grow in america. you sell it here and around the world. that is what "make it in america" is all about. i want to talk to you about that tonight. we are going to show you a documentary that will crystallize a little better for you the "make it in america" agenda. we have asked our members to show that video throughout the country. to get people thinking about a manufacturing strategy for america. why does a manufacturing strategy work for our country? it is important because over the last 20 years we have lost 9
million manufacturing jobs. we were at 21 in, we are down to 11 million. america still manufactures more than any other nation in the world. it is not as if america has been eclipsed. it is as if other nations are pressing us competitively. it is important in any kind of endeavor, if you are being challenged to respond to that with a plan. if you are playing a game is a play. a game plan, how do you make sure this place succeed. -- play succeeds. in a country where we are contributing with individual corporations and nations who have a strategy to overcome our advantage. the problem with that is that manufacturing jobs are some of
the best paying jobs in america. manufacturing jobs also have a leverage affect on the creation of other jobs. more so than any other endeavor. as a result, a number of books have been written. the president of dow chemical wrote a book and called it, after we named our agenda, he called his book "make it in america." he took up the same thing that another guy named in the -- andy, one of the founders of intel corp., from a garage to a super corporation. greeting tens of thousands of jobs. both of them had the proposition that we were the most innovative, incentive -- nation in the world.
we have been and we are today. in fact, we invent so much of the new technology in this country. i want to give you an example of what they are concerned about. that is that we have invented products here, we have innovated those products, and we have developed those products. unfortunately, in too many cases, they are taken to scale overseas. what does he mean? they are manufactured overseas and sold that year in the united states. -- back here in the united states. we are losing american jobs. kindle how many of you have a kindle?
i got my grandson one. i bought my grandson and a kindle the christmas before last. cost about one under $50. -- $150. cheaper than that? you a tough on that. i have my adviser up front here giving me the figure. c.t. wilson just came in. [applause] we got it. of that $160, about $35 is u.s. added value. over $125 of added value is overseas. we invented the kindle here, we developed the kindle here, and it is a u.s. product. it is being made overseas. a couple of things are
happening. one of the things is salaries are rising in other nations. salaries are rising in china. salaries are rising in india. salaries are rising in other countries around the world. what does that mean? the competitive disadvantage of our salaries is not as great. on the "make it in america" agenda, i have met with the president of the american -- the national association of manufacturers. i have met with the president of the business roundtable. i have talked to and met with the president of the u.s. chamber of commerce. all of them believe that a "make it in america" agenda is important. the head of the national association of manufacturers says that salaries are no longer the deciding factor. the traditional, of course, bias
has been, well yes, they are going overseas to get cheap sellers. that was the case. that is no longer the case. a second thing is happening which is going to give america a better competitive advantage. if you take something to scale overseas and the united states remained the biggest market, although our consumer spending is off, which is causing our country to be stagnant in our growth. if we are the largest market, what do you have to do? you have to send it back to the united states of america where consumers buy it. what has happened to transportation throughout the world and here in this country? you learn that lesson every week. some of you have to drive back and forth to washington, you learn it two times a week. fill up your tank.
what you know is energy, transportation, is a lot more expensive today than it was two years ago, four years ago, 10 years ago. that is true of taking a product to scale overseas and shipping it back here. shipping costs have become more expensive. the competitive disadvantage that we had is disappearing. "make it in america" is about adopting policies that will ensure that manufacturers, businesses, small, medium, large, i just had the opportunity to visit, four weeks ago, they had a huge contract. they do extraordinary work. a small manufacturing plant. we had 100 employees. in the scheme of things,
relatively small. it is businesses like that that are creating jobs in america. small businesses. we need to make sure they can do so. if we want to make things in america, what do we have to make short, is that people can "make it in america" and do so profitably. they are not going to make things in america if they cannot get a return to their investors that have put their money at risk to grow jobs. the decisions we make today will ship what our nation of looks like 10, 20, 30, 40 years from now, as well as how much prosperity we bring back to america and how we stabilize the middle class. average working americans making good wages. investing in innovation, education, and infrastructure, we can boost our economy, helping businesses create new
job opportunities and leading to higher incomes and a higher quality of life for all people. as part of that initiative, "make it in america" in an -- initiative, i am committed to building jobs in america. i visited 10 of small manufacturing enterprises in the state of maryland over the last 60 days. i want them to know that we are on their side in creating jobs here in maryland, making things, and selling them here and around the world. triton is going to be doing that. chances are, they have a niche market. they are one of the extraordinary little companies, a company that has an extraordinary opportunity, not only to sell their antennas here, but across the world as
well because of the uniqueness of their product. i am incredibly proud of some of the most innovative firms that we have here. jim makes cutting edge products right here. sheet metal, which, candace, i'm sure you visited, a small company here. fabricating steel, doing an extraordinary job. "make it in america," if we are successful, will provide incentives for manufacturing, encourage innovation, agree to a level playing field, improve our infrastructure, strengthen the .abor pool earlier today, with candice and ken and rubin, who was there,
and it deborah davis, we had all the county commissioners, we went through a product that is the plan on. a community college which is teaching skill sets to young people that are essential if we are going to make it in america. carpentry, electricians, welding, i do not kno. we talked about welding. i do not know how many manufacturers, small manufacturers, i have the opposite who have told me they need wilder's. -- i have visited who have told me they need wilder's. -- welders. welders are makeing $22 an hour. that is not that the money. you can support yourself and your family on that. not a lot of young people are looking at being welders.
one of the young people was 36 years of age. i talked to about 20 of them. most of them were 18, 19, or 20. some of them were 25, 26, somewhere 30. one man, 36. he had decided, he had grown up of the workplace. he needed a skill. the college of southern maryland is going to give him that skill and a ability to earn a living. give him a fishing pole and teach him how to fish. we want to coordinate efforts to support manufacturing, reform corporate taxes. the president talked about in the state of the union. we cannot have a tax level for corporations that is not competitive with the rest of the world. if we want people to make things in america, they are going to have to be able to do so properly. we have to make our regulations
smarter. the example i use of regulations is that if you take the referee off the football field, the game get pretty ugly. the chances are, if there is no referee on the field, the little guy is going to get trampled by the big guy. i told you you were at a community college. debra davis, thank you for being here. [applause] the little guys get trampled. we took the referee off the field with respect to the financial community. a lot of little people got trampled. a lot of little people with guys playing games, and maybe gals, and very frankly, a lot of people lost their jobs, their homes, and their sense of security. the referee was not on the
field. people took risks that were inappropriate. we need to put the referee's back on the field. we did. when you put the referee back on the field. i do not know how many of you are football fans. you have a wide receiver, they catch passes. when you put the referee back on the field, you have the wide receiver here, you want to put the referee here. make sure that wide receiver does not lead to second before the ball. if the wide receiver does, they get an unfair advantage. the defense person is looking to see when the ball hikes. what you do not want to do is put the referee in front of the wide receiver so the wide receiver can not run out. in some cases, that is what we have done without our population. we have to make sure that our
regulations are smart. the president also talked about that he asked every agency of government to look at its regulations and make sure they are consistent with growing jobs and our economy. i support him in that effort. we need to facilitate investment as well and infrastructure. we are benefiting from decisions made in the 1950's on infrastructure. that was the federal highway system. the investment in infrastructure have an extraordinary pay off and a long-term payoff. we have to make sure that our infrastructure is up to the job that we give it, whether it is a transportation, some were, water, whatever that infrastructure. we had a major failure in the last storm. it was not i mean, it was after. -- irene, it was after.
it was the result of lee. we have a 50-foot hole but on the side of 301. we have to restore at the infrastructure. we are doing that. we have to out build, up a , andt, -- out-educated out-invade our competitors. we have the best inventors, innovators, and developers in the world. we want to expand and make permanent the r&d tax credit to insure innovation. we want a simple tax code for businesses and individuals. we are working on a currency reform. we passed a trade bill. the argument was that they would generate 100,000 jobs.
economists tell us that the fact that china is manipulating its currency so that its goods are cheaper here and our goods are expensive there is costing us 1 million jobs. 10 times as much as the trade legislation -- the manipulation of our currency by china. the senate has passed a bill. it is in the house. i am hopeful that the house leadership will bring it to the floor. i am here to promote job training links between manufacturers and community colleges here in maryland. it is a bill i sponsored. we call it the jobs bill. i thought it was catching. what is more apache is actual implementation -- catchy is actual implementation.
i visited here with the work investment board, they are doing an extraordinary job action of people with jobs. president obama signed a six "make it in america" bills into law last year. i have already taken longer than i wanted to take. you get the gist of what it is about. as we struggled to bring jobs back. the one thing i want to say, "make it in america" is not a quick fix. we lost 9 million jobs over 20 years. i was for our investment in making sure all automobile manufacturers stayed of viable. not only are they viable, they are putting up a better product at a competitive price. had we lost our many fat trimmed capacity, it would have been a
threat to our national -- had we lost our manufacturing capacity, it would have been a threat to our national security. to have lost that manufacturing capacity in the united states would have been a national security threat. we invested in that. the car companies are making a profit. they are paying us back, that which we loaned them. the fact of the matter is, we saved hundreds of thousands of jobs in that process. we need to do more in planning for the long term. in the short term, "make it in america" will not produce the kind of jobs we need in the short term. it is a strategy for the medium and long term. president obama has offered a bill called the jobs act, the american jobs act. i believe it will, and every economist who has feuded, including republican, conservative, liberal, moderate
economists, have all said they believe it will grow the economy. it will create jobs. economichn mccain's advisers said it will grow the economy by a point or two and that it might add as many as 1.5 million jobs. another assignment was 1.9 million jobs. all the estimates have been that it will be over 1 million jobs that will be added. it will greet infrastructure. it will keep teachers, 240,000 teachers on the job. it will keep law enforcement officials on the job, not laid off. we gained 137,000 jobs last month. we only had a net of 100 four thousand jobs. why was that? we lost 33,000 public sector jobs in america. many of them were teachers.
d'ivoire class sizes are longer. i now want to show you the film. then we will go to questions and answers. steve, are we ready with the film? "make it in america." thank you. ♪ ♪ >> america was for over a century the dominant industrial leader in the world. we still are. we have a 9% unemployment. we lost 8 million jobs over the past decade. working americans have been stuck in the mud. we are not as dominant as we once were.
we have lost manufacturing jobs. >> it has had a tremendous impact on men and women. they have lost their purchasing power. many of those jobs went overseas. it has had a negative impact on the prosperity of our country. >> they relocated. it affected my father. he could not move overseas. as far as my community, a lot of people are having to leave. >> a lot of people are looking for jobs. i cannot give people the opportunity that we are used to. it is impossible to read it is impossible. >> you can see our country drift
into an economy of low-wage jobs. >> thousands of americans, the course of this deep recession that we are experiencing -- how can we reinvigorate our economy? how can we grow manufacturing jobs? how can we make sure that working families have the future that they want? as a result, we have a "make it in america" agenda. everyone knows what to make it means. succeed, win. it also means make it in america. manufacture its. grow it, and sell at a round of the world and at home. -- and sell it around the world and at home. it will give men and women the kind of jobs with benefits that they want to have. >> corporations and industries
are not going to locate in a committee unless there is sufficient infrastructure. what i mean by infrastructure is a good water system, a good recreationalm, opportunities, a good school system. the american people are talking about it. we need to do something about it. >> we are saying, because of maintenance, a crumbling of our infrastructure. repairing street, building a high-speed rail, fixing our transit system, fixing our water system that are crumbling, people are ready to do that. we have the workers. we have the greatest workers in the world right here in the next eight. they are ready to go to work every day in the united states. they are ready to go to work every day and rebuild our country. we need to plan for the work
force of the future. we need to modernize our schools. >> we need to make sure that apprenticeship programs come back we need to make sure that kids can get into community colleges. i will give you an example we contracted a spanish window manufacturer. we make sure those workers that the training -- those workers got the training. we are doing that in pennsylvania. >> you need people who can operate computers. you need math and science background. you need people in the same industries. we need to make more investments and helped build up and regrate that base. i see that those jobs pay even better than some of the jobs that require an advanced degree. >> height differential yourself is with love working technology in a global ileana.
-- how would you differentiate yourself is without leveraging technology in a global arena. it is critical for a company like ours. it is not unusual for manufacturing. >> china has opened 100 science- only universities. when we talk about cutting on the aspirations of our young people. this is a neighborhood high- school with a bucket under $100,000. -- a budget under $100,000. the young people in our country have a great abilities. what we need to do is invest in their education. science, technology, engineering, math, these are critical skills.
>> american competitiveness depends upon the world perceiving that we continue to lead in innovation and the quality of the products we manufacture. we cannot stop leading the world in innovation just because we are facing challenging economic times. we need to invest in education. we need to invest in research and development. we need to provide incentives to companies to do great things and lead the world. >> the priority of investment are in innovation, research, and development. definitely have been a solid education base so that they have workers. >> one thing people mess is the expertise that goes with the manufacturing abroad. it takes years to acquire. when they leave the united states, what happens is we lose
the expertise to continue that manufacturing in the future. it is not just the industry leading, it is the expertise -- leaving, it is the expertise. >> if we let me back and go, the innovation will follow it. -- if we let manufacturing co, the innovation will follow it. if they relocate, over time, innovation will go with it. there is a feedback loop that happens when companies make things that feed back into their ability to innovate. >> we are able to control every bit of the process, from inception to the design, a prototype, and to manufacture. >> if we are making it in america, we are buying steel from ohio, it can machines in connecticut, -- getting machines
in connecticut, circuit boards from another state. we are providing opportunities for other companies. that is a great thing to be a part of. >> it is a focus on restoring pride in america. pride in the things we build. pride in the workers who build these products. >> we were involved in the chilean mine rescue. the reason we were there is because our customers by our equipment. but they were saying it was going to be three months before these men got out. in 33 days we dug a hole to bring those miners out. we build this. we make this. wow, something we have done is impacting the world. we made history. >> we are not helpless. that is what "make it in america" says.
we are not helpless. these are proving things that can put america back to work if we have the political will to make it happen. >> manufacturing jobs help the economy. when the economy is expanding, people have a better quality of life, better opportunities, and a better sense that their country is headed in the right direction. that their lives are going to be better. that is what this means for the average working family in america. that is why we are pursuing it so vigorously. we believe that together, we can "make it in america." we believe we will "make it in america." ♪ [applause]
>> the reason we are showing that a round of the country is not so let bass will get about the country. i am not running for president. -- is not so that my face will get around the country. i am not running for president. america is the greatest land. we have lost our competitive edge. i was at a meeting -- i want to talk about the second subject quickly. with the president of pepsi. a woman born in india. she lives here. the president of pepsi. she said, america needs to get its swagger back. we need to restore our confidence, our sense of purpose, and were sent of -- our sense of can-do-it-ness. we need to believe in ourselves again. we need to "make it in america."
we have to focus on an immediate crisis. i want to close on this. we have 12 people called the select committee on deficit reduction. but such an early known as the super-committee. -- affectionately known as the super committee. they can present their recommendations. those must be considered. they can be passed with 61 vote. no billing. they must be considered by the house of representatives. they must be passed. ladies and gentlemen, there are a lot of young people. we just had two extraordinary young people speak to us. your sister is even younger. that is forces there? even younger. -- that is your sister? even younger.
my generation owes it to them to confront this deficit and debt that is the biggest crisis confronting our country. when asked what the biggest threat confronting our country, mike mullen said the debt and deficit. the richest country on the face of earth has fallen into debt. there are a lot of reasons for that. there is a lot of blame. my purpose is not to assess blame. my purpose is to energize all of us in focusing on the fact that all of us need to be part of that solution. i am urging this select committee to come to grips with hard decisions, to come up with a proposal that will balance the us of over 10 years or 12 years at $4 korea. that will not get us to balance.
-- $4 trillion. that will not get us to balance. it will reduce the debt-gdp ratio. it will take tough decisions and political courage to get there. all of us need to do it together. if we do not, the young people, i am talking about anybody under 50, are going to be confronting their prices in at their time. that crisis may be terrorism or some other crisis. it may be an international health crisis. or it may be a natural disaster. in their time, we know, they will be challenged and they will need resources. my father's generation was called the greatest generation by tom brokaw. they fought a war to keep us free. to allow democracy to flourish here in the run of the world.
-- and a round the world. then they came home and created the greatest economy the world has ever seen. if my generation, those of you close to my generation, if we leave our kids deeply in debt, we will be known as the greediest generation, not the greatest generation. i am going to be working very hard on your behalf to make sure this select committee comes with a solution that will be tough, but absolutely essential. you saw a lot about investing. let me tell you, with all due respect to some of my friends in washington, there are two types of spending. one is spending that you do not get a return on. the other is spending as an investment that you get a return on. spending in education is an investment.
you get a return. spending on infrastructure is an investment. you get a return. spending on innovation and research and the ability of people to make it in america is an investment. i am going to be working hard on your behalf on the "make it in america" agenda and making sure our balances -- our finances are balance. america can do both. your turn. [applause] >> people signed up to ask questions. we have seven people who have signed up. i'm going to be announcing your name. the microphone is over there. there is one person we fail to recognize. she is the leader for education. the coordinator of the judy centers.
she makes sure that young people get a ticket to route our system -- educated throughout our system. [applause] >> i should have introduced you myself. she is a wonderful person. she headed up the effort in charles county. she is running the state program. my wife was an early childhood educator in prince george county. she started a full-service enterprise or three year old and four year-old. they were full service in the sense that not only did they deal with education, social service, child care, they dealt with the families and the adult. they are full service. 24 out of the 25 of them are associated with elementary schools throughout our state. there are now at 25 centers. only one is not located with an elementary school.
i am so proud of the judy centers and proud of the work that my white it to create those. cheryl, i want to thank you, nobody in our state other than our former superintendent has been more responsible for making sure this effort succeeds for young children, which in my opinion, but the key to educational success. we need to get the young children early. if you do not, you are going to have a tough shot in the high- school level. thank you very much. >> mark. he will be followed by chris lloyd. >> hello. >> how are you, sir? >> good to see you. i want to introduce you to the referee you took off the field. his name is glass-steagall act.
. you stated you should not have repealed it. now is your chance. i am sure you are aware of hr 1489. what is it going to take to have to add your name to the list of co-sponsors. that will restore the debts, the deficit, it worked. it was fdr posole law. -- fdr's law. we should scrap everything else that will not work. what is it going to take you to add your name to it. we have a president who is following the path of dick cheney. should be appealing to you to read -- rise above democratic party politics and a -- function as a leader in the congress. to check the president because
it could lead to a banker's dictatorship. the president is on that at way and has been praised by dick cheney. those are my two questions. what is it going to take you to add your name to the list of co- sponsors tha? >> thank you very much. a first of all, glass-stegall was adopted to separate banking from investment banking, essentially. the two would not be co-mingled. i voted to repeal that. the gentleman is correct. i have observed that that may have been a mistake. we see the two together destabilizing the fiscal financial community. why did we do that? why was the recommendation of
the administration to do that? why did both parties support that? we did it because we are in competition above the world. we saw that happening above the world. however, having said that, you may be right. as to why my name is not on the bill. frankly, as a leader, as majority leader, and now as a note to leader, you can imagine everybody wants me to sponsor all the bills. i do not sponsor many bills. as a leader, i do get involved in those bills. that bill is pending. that is the reason. even if that were not the case, i want to look at this carefully to make sure that we can continue to be competitive globally up in the referee's back on the field. you are right, the glass- steagall act was a part of that referee. i am looking at it.
>> [inaudible] >> the second question you asked dealt with the unilateral cy.siden on that we do not agree. i believe this president has been a collegial. this president has made his proposals. he has, to his detriment, cried to work in a collegial way for a long period of time -- tried to work in a collegial way for a long period of time. i do not agree with you on the fact that he has been at unilateralist -- been unilateralist. i find him open to read a leader who state where we ought to do bochco -- i find him open. a leader who states where we ought to go but will sit down
and discuss with the opposition. they say, he need to get tough. he is trying to lead the country. i do not agree with you on the second. i will tell you this, probably ought not to mention this, one of the most unpopular bills was the troubled assets relief program, tarp. we made money on that. it has not been all paid back $700 billion was put on the table. much of that has been paid back. we earned interest on that money. a very unpopular bill. president bush came to the congress of the united states
led by a democratic speaker and majority leader and he and secretary paulson and ben bernanke, appointed by republicans but not a partisan politician, came to us and said if we do not do this, the country is going to go into a recession. not that it may go into a recession. -- depression. that it will go into a depression. ben bernanke, a student of the depression. there are people who thought we should not have passed it it was controversial. very controversial. it was an act that all people hate it, including the members who voted on it. our president, a republican president, asking a democratic congress to do something to keep the country going into a depression. what happened? a democratic congress responded with maturities among democrats