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unaccompanied minors are crossing the border into the u.s. and as always, we will figure calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. " is next.n journal ♪ good morning. on capitol hill, the flag made that half-staff in memory of howard baker, the tennessee republican who died last thursday. is spending much of his week in washington, d.c., on wednesday he will be meeting with leading economist to discuss job creation and economic growth. we are going to begin on that topic, one of the headlines from the wall street journal, the u.s. economy shrinks by the most in the last five years. this question -- what is the best way to create jobs?
the phone line among democrats, republicans, and independents. we also have a line set aside for those of you who are currently out of work. the question, what is the best way to create jobs? join the conversation on facebook. already many of you waiting in. send us an e-mail or send us a tweet. good sunday morning to you. we will get to your calls and comments on the economy and job creation and just a moment -- in just a moment. terror suspect arriving in washington, d.c., pleading not guilty, saying through an interpreter that he understood everything that was going on and that he would tell the truth. his public defender is michelle
peterson, who told the magistrate judge that her client of not guilty of the charge conspiracy to provide material support on which a federal grand jury indicted him of on thursday. 10 minutes after it began, it is all over. flanked on each side, he walked less than one dozen steps to a wooden door that was opened for him. the suspect was led out of the courthouse to awaiting caravan and black suvs that wailed down 3rd avenue -- 3rd street, i should say, in washington, d.c., taking him at ross the potomac river. that jail has held other terror suspects since september 11th 2000 one. the rare saturday hearing in which the federal courthouse was in presentation before a u.s. magistrate judge. the session was the beginning of what is certain to be a lengthy federal criminal -- criminal proceeding. he is the first of the legend
perpetrators apprehended in this benghazi attack. is the front page of "the washington post" this morning. our question, what is the best way to create jobs? especially in light of the latest gdp report from "the washington journal." we will get to your comments in just a moment, but first a look at the other shows i can be heard on c-span radio. nancy callow is in the c-span radio studio with the very latest. good morning. >> good morning. today on the sunday tv talk shows topics include the economy, the situation in iraq, the irs, and politics. you can hear the rebroadcast beginning today at noon eastern with "meet the press." guests include the clinton, white house adviser valerie jarrett, and rinse pre-this. "this.m. eastern it is week" and an interview with president obama. also on the program today, new york congressman peter king.
after that, "fox news sunday," generalier becerra and michael hayden, retired, former cia and nsa director. "state of the union" follows at 3 p.m. eastern with "darrell issa," who chairs the oversight committee. at 4:00 eastern, "face the joeon" from cbs with manchin, john barrasso, and james jeffrey. talk sunday network tv shows are on c-span radio and are brought to you as a public service. the rebroadcast of these shows begins at noon eastern time with "meet the press," "this week," "fox news sunday," "state of the union," and "face the nation," at 4 p.m..
you can listen to them all on 90 1.1 fm in the washington, d.c. area, across the country on satellite radio, and you can download the free app for our smart phone or go online to c-span.org. >> you can of course follow c-span --host: you can of course follow c-span radio online as well. our question this morning -- what is the best way to create jobs? is is from bill on the twitter page -- host: from our facebook page -- host: you can send your tweet or an e-mail to journal at c-span.org. joining us from westborough, massachusetts, stan, currently out of work. caller: good morning. thank you so much for this
perfect opportunity to help my fellow citizens of the usa. out of work as an engineer since the year 2000. visas come and take jobs, companies offshore stuff, even aircraft manufacturers, there are no new plants being built. so, i became somewhat of an expert on values of cost objects. i studied all of them. offour neighbor got laid and you bought his car for $1000? $3000 each asor he did not know the value? that $2000 is cash, cash, cash. irs.e just eliminated the these are the people they think stop looking. i am not looking for a job, i am looking but
to find the deal. ok? host: ok, stanley. thank you for the call. alabama, independent line, good morning, what is the best way to create jobs, ilbert? host: -- caller: somewhat agree with the serious dollar -- previous caller. we have an outsourcing of jobs to chad, being specific, the dominant outsourcing of jobs to china? i am 64 years old. maine in america means quality to me. quality goods. stop aty given day you a railroad crossing and you saw these cargo boxes on these different planes -- trains, where do you think those come from? transcontinental trade across the world. until the president and all the elected officials face the reality that we have got to start making stuff here in america and quit outsourcing --
arectually to china -- you just blowing that treadmill. your number will not stop until you realize that made in america is the only way that you are going to have jobs. have a good morning. host: thank you very much for the call. carol has this -- host: just some of your many comments on facebook --
host: meanwhile, cnn reporting last week as well as this week, talking about something that you don't see very often in what is usually a strong bipartisan vote the senate over -- approves a rewrite of a federal workforce training program designed to improve job skills and drive down the unemployment rate. legislation passing the senate by a vote of 95 to three, senators from both parties optimistic that it would clear the house soon before going to the president for his signature, house republican aides have said that it is uncertain whether the exact path of the senate bill would take shape in the house of representatives. speaking on this issue is senator lamar alexander of tennessee. [video clip] >> in 1998 congress passed the sort of g.i. bill for workers. the idea was to do what is at the top of every governor's agenda in every state right now -- how can we help more
toricans have the job skills fit the jobs? in ranger county last weekend the concerns of the people in tennessee was that it was too hard to find a job, too hard to keep the house. this legislation that we are dealing with today, for the first time since 2003 in reauthorizes about $10 billion in funds that will be spent through local councils, through community colleges, through state governments to help individuals in north dakota and washington, tennessee and georgia, have the job skills to find a job. it will make it easier for them and has the great advantage, madam president, of not doing it --m washington got washington, but creating an environment in which people can do this for themselves. >> senator lamar alexander last wednesday on the jobs bill, the first in about a decade.
the u.s. economy shrinks by the most in the last five years, this is a final revision for first-quarter gdp showing the economy contracting about three percent, in part because of the weather conditions during the winter and weak demand causing contraction of the u.s. economy for the first quarter of this year. that is this morning from "a wall street journal." from our twitter page, this comment -- host: we hope that you join in on the conversation at c-span or twitter. mark is joining us from fort lauderdale, florida. i believe ther: best way to create jobs would be to cut the corporate rate in half. it would make us a lot more competitive and we would -- we would have more jobs than we
would know what to do with. a lot of these corporations even have u.s. names, components, and parts made for them at a corporate rate that are overtaxed. also believe that we should create our own energy using coal and gas. we can improve emissions. we have enough oil to last for 500 years. i believe that that would help quite a bit. thank you very much. host: thank you for the call. jan has this point -- host: on our facebook page, a couple of comments --
host: greg is joining us from braddock, pennsylvania. democratic line. good morning. caller: i have worked in the steel industry. the railroad industry. la-z-boy manufacturing. every time i turn around 6, 7, 8 years later, my job is shut down. which i don't understand about that that is think so wrong that that goes down in america now. 53 years old and they are talking about job training? i don't need job training. training is a waste of time at my age now. we need jobs here. i watch the news every day and i see infrastructure falling in. i have worked for a gas company in the natural gas industry and i don't need training, i need a job. the in pittsburgh
employment rate between the blacks and white man is unbelievable. host: before you lost your job, what were you doing? caller: working with la-z-boy manufacturing. host: that was your most recent? caller: yep. host: how long have you been out of work? caller: it has been over three years now. it has been a while. call thank you for the from braddock, pennsylvania. writing about the legacy of howard baker, who of course was famous in the 1970's for his interrogation in the watergate panel, undone by boomer politics -- they had called him the great conciliator. this morning dana milbank's says that by eulogizing him, the echo of henry clay's great compromiser, it was a curious choice by senator mitch whose partisan screeds from the senate floor and reluctance to negotiate with harry reid and his record quantity of filibusters have set
the tone for the current era of dysfunction in u.s. politics. though just 17 years apart, they represent entirely different generations of american leaders." the flag of course or mains at half staff on the u.s. capitol to pay tribute to the former senator who died at the age of 88 last thursday. the next call is lewis, from dayton, ohio. good morning. good morning, lois. caller: i am not a republican, i am a democrat. host: you are on the air, we are glad to hear from you. dayton, ohio, we lost all of our manufacturing. it is the same way in michigan. i had worked for general motors. now we don't handle general motors. we have all of these foreign investments. let's get back to making our own stuff. we don't even make the pontiac or the oldsmobile anymore.
although we make now is chevy, buick, and cadillac. we don't need all this other stuff coming in here in this country. they say they make them here? i don't make them near. they assemble them here, but the parts are all made overseas. that is what we lost. we made 26 parts for general motors cars. in dayton, ohio, more people have lost their homes. it is just unbelievable. we have got to get back. bring our jobs back. host: guest: --host: thank you for the call. by the way, there was an extensive front-page story on "the new york times" about the neighborhood in detroit that have been decimated because of the job losses and what it means for their infrastructure and tax base, which has lost a significant amount of property. that story is available online at nytimes.com. just joining us? listening on c-span radio?
we are asking the question -- what is the best way to create jobs? in part because of the gdp report last week and also the senate action on a jobs training bill. this is from one of our viewers -- henry blodgett has written this piece -- "sorry, folks, rich people don't create jobs." "yes, we create jobs temporarily are awhile, and yes, we necessary part of the job creation engine, but to suggest that we, the rich, alone, are responsible for the jobs that 300 millionother americans is the height of self importance and delusion. if rich people don't create jobs, what does? healthy economic ecosystem in which the middle class has a deal money to spend. it starts with the company's customers. the company's customers buy the
and allows the company to hire employees to produce, sell, and service those products. you can read the full story online -- products." you can read the full story online. rob, sarasota, how long have you been out of work? caller: several years. host: what did you do before you lost your job? caller: construction inspection services. housing and business industrial site development area but i have not worked for so long. i feel that the job market is filled with jobs that really aren't getting the work done that we need done in this society. for instance, there is so much work to be done to weatherize and do things that would help the environment, but there
does not seem to be a cost-benefit payback on those things in this economy. so, we need to get some kind of public works going that really cleans up our cities that could work on every individual house, which is really a public entity to get insulation, windows, and clean up our cities and do the work that we need to do for transportation. of ae got a degree -- sort college retraining degree in electrical vehicle manufacturing. that type of work really never develop, so there is no industrial base. is a marketat there for people doing it, but it really never employed a lot of people. i went to ucla for that. in environmental systems engineering that has never really been used.
i have an environmental interest, but to me they are doing the work that needs to be done in the environment. they are spending a lot of money trying to fulfill minor regulations and not getting the job done. there seems to be a need for a lot of different approaches to public works, on strap from the free enterprise system. we really are not getting the work done that needs to be done. host: thank you for the call there, up early in phoenix, arizona, we appreciate your sharing your story with us. from danny -- host: this obituary that we want to pass away from the l.a. times -- "the l.a. times," rawl and at 83,- roland king dies
the founder of southwest .irlines "in 1967 he was running a small charter service that ferried hunters around texas when he sat down to discuss a new business plan with his attorney, and airline offering short hauls, frequent flights, and low prices between the major urban hubs. he reportedly used a cocktail not into skip the routes of the airline, linking dallas, , theon, and san antonio founder of "southwest airlines." on the phoneing us from "the hill" newspaper," thank you for being with us on a sunday morning. guest: thank you for having me. host: what are the chances of legislation in the house when it comes to job training? a great question.
last week this was passed on a 90 to three vote with wide, bipartisan and senses on this legislation introduced by republican senator johnny isakson, as well as senator patty murray, a democrat. senator murray has really kind of establish yourself as a bipartisan deal maker, if you will, when you think back to the recent budget negotiation she has done. what this piece of legislation would do is enable some work force and job force training programs for disabled veterans, towell as giving them access college programs to help fill help theumes and long-term unemployed. we just are that compelling story from the caller in phoenix and those are the stories of the people this program seeks to help.
the chances for how are fairly significant. there could always be a last-minute hick up, but i would itect that to pass the house would need bipartisan support, 90 to three vote, and even the u.s. chamber of commerce coming out, a conservative organization coming out and saying -- you know, we would like to see more of the stuff we wanted on our end, but this is a solid bipartisan bill. host: you mentioned patty murray on the forefront of this, this is what she had to say from the floor. [video clip] >> this bill is clearly the product of many authors. we know that no one gets everything they want and at the end of the day we can proudly say that this bill will help our workers, businesses, and the economy for years to come. federal workforce programs have proven time and again that the best investment that we can make as a country is an investment in our american workers.
i have seen firsthand in washington workers who were laid off and able to get new training, new skills, and new jobs. i have seen so many washington state businesses, from aerospace to video design that were able to access workers with new skills that they needed to grow and compete. with millions of new jobs requiring post secondary education and advanced skills in the coming years, we will fall behind if we do not modernize our work worse development systems now. we have to make sure that when high-tech jobs of the 21st century are created, americans are ready to fill them. that is what we have done in this bill. that was senator patty murray last wednesday on the floor. joining us live on the phone, a reporter from "the hill" newspaper. --ng back to job creation
"consider the record, 8 million new jobs created on his watch, rather than achievement this marks the slowest economic recovery in decades, one point 2 million fewer jobs today than 2007, when the recession began -- asking the question, does the president have a clue about what creates jobs and what kills jobs? -- kills jobs"? this is by no means a comprehensive package that either side would have liked to see past, but especially in a yearsm election year, six after the economic collapse, i think there is widespread frustration about the pace of the economic recovery. we can talk about the reauthorization bill all that we want, but the bottom line is that unemployment is still hovering above six percent. a six percent unemployment rate.
the participation rates of the number of people actually purchase a painting in the workforce are at all-time record lows, a rate we have not seen since the 1970's. there has been debate surrounding the unemployment number that economists would like -- economists would like to see. is that even an accurate number? they are not counting the number of people who have been long-term unemployed, saying that they have just given up on .ooking for a job i think that that pace is definitely something that is on the minds of a lot of voters outside the beltway and it will be a huge issue at the polls in just a couple of months. you: the other store that have been following, the story of the export import tank,
sparked in part by the incoming republican leader, kevin mccarthy, who said that he opposed the bank. what is next? recess therethe has to be a bill introduced in the house. friday i reported to house theylicans indicated that would be willing to have a reauthorization bill in the house. without the bill to vote on, this thing expires on september 30. what is interesting is that this has stoked the flames of the tea party versus the risk -- versus the republican establishment that we have been following. as you mentioned, the loss of eric cantor, the first policy issue, this is perhaps the first policy issue we have seen affected directly. the duly affected house majority opposeskevin mccarthy, the export import bank, whereas eric cantor supported it. what does it do?
theelps to get a foot in door of emerging markets for u.s. businesses, including small businesses, as well as providing jobs. the tea party says that this is nothing more than corporate welfare and cronyism. a fascinating debate that will gear up once everyone else gets back. kevin, thank you for adding your perspective this morning. your work is on "the hill." appreciate you being with us. guest: thanks for having me. have a great rest of your weekend. host: the question this morning, if you are listening, the best way to create jobs. join in on the conversation, the phone lines are open. james sent a tweet -- want to create jobs? that taxes on the rich. tom on our facebook page says
host: harold is joining us from westwood, new jersey. this is very simple. if we would obey the constitution -- i am holding in my hand a copy of the declaration of independence. we are very close to july 4. give us freedom. i have two degrees from rutgers university. a bachelors and an mba. we study this kind of thing. according to rutgers way back, two things were very good for business. babies being born was one of them, people moving was another. sadly, -- we need to reduce taxes and reduce the number of democrats who are in power. they are the ones who are fishing. like the abortion. we have killed 50 million consumers.
in addition to that, people can't move because they don't have any money. what we should obviously do is put more money into the hands of people and put less money in the hands of good government and go what we had in the declaration of independence, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. you mentioned the declaration of independence. of course, friday is independence day. we have a new book this morning previewed in "the washington post." here, well-chosen words
make peace is never easy. your adversaries, they have killed those that you care about or those you are trying to attacked. it is a psychological drama. you have to get into the heads of those on the other side. you have to change their to get themenough to the table. in iran we needed a lot of economic pressure to get them to the table. we will see what happens, but that has to be the first step. i have written about what he did in afghanistan and pakistan, trying to get the taliban and to the table for a comprehensive discussion with the government of afghanistan. in iraq today i think that what is that itunderstand is primarily a political problem that has to be addressed. the ascension of the sunni extremist, the so-called isis
groups, they are taking advantage of the breakdown in political dialogue and the total lack of trust between the malik e-government, the sunni leaders, and the kurdish leaders. iraq, the economy, politics, and her decision-making process, among thatopics in an interview will air in its entirety next saturday, july 5, and sunday morning, july 6, part of our book tv coverage. you can check out our schedule information online anytime at booktv.org. iraqis the front page story of "the new york times" this morning. "as the rebels advanced across iraq in recent we, hundreds of thousands of iraqis were driven from their homes and for the many it was not the first time, there have been very few prolonged periods of peace in iraq and for civilians, a seemingly perpetual flight. more
than one million iraqis have been displaced this year alone, half within the last couple of weeks." the best way to do job creation" -- creation? springfield, illinois, republican line. host: i am glad that everyone agrees on the issue for a change. i think the problem started a long time ago when bill clinton and newt gingrich signed the free trade act, saying they had a booming economy. a booming economy was all of our jobs being sucked into other countries. they make more bar -- more cars across the board or in canada. why don't we do something simple? for theus package working poor and raising minimum wage? thank you. host: thank you for the call. , among these.gov ,ighlights, "lower taxes
market, michigan, good morning -- mark, good morning, michigan. we need toregards to to lowersions, we have the minimum wage. right now it is not working. that is why nothing is selling, nobody is buying nothing, nobody has any money. make a decision. either raise the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour or bring down the cost of goods and services. so, that way we will have money and people can purchase things and we can create more jobs. next from is greenville, tennessee, good morning. caller: good morning. this jobs training bill, i
wanted to tackle it. i think it is a waste of time. americans have always been part workers. if they are laid off, if they are unemployed, they obviously have some kind of a sick minimal understanding of how manufacturing works. those are the jobs that need to be focused on. if they are looking to the future with all of these future jobs, all of this innovation happening, just making a prediction, that needs to be for the future. maybe mental growth there, but we need jobs here. one thing that i don't think anybody talks about his immigration. if there are 20 million people in our country taking jobs from legal citizens, that is obviously a huge part of our job market that is gone. they say that americans won't take them jobs? there are many americans that will take them jobs. a lot of men from 18 to 35 have worked construction in their life, regardless of college,
high school, whatever you are looking for. them jobs will pay in my area, well dollar per hour, $13 per hour jobs. americans don't get those jobs anymore. a companycans get that pays benefits and everything else, a man will go lay brick if he has to if he has kids. host: thank you for the call. one of our viewers says -- another headline from "the found,erald," "lost and a silvery patch of metal could be the clue to what happened to amelia erhardt." it shows an airplane looming , with spectral shadows
just before dawn, probably attest that the photographer waited for in the morning. look at that silvery metal and whether or not it can provide any answers to her disappearance. that is the front page story this morning of "the miami herald." lynchburg, good morning. caller: thank you for having me on here. people,ring a lot of these jobs issues have become too emotional for people. hit a nailreform he on the head. we have so many illegal aliens coming in, one of the returning -- recurring comments that i hear from people that support amnesty and all of that, it is that they do the jobs americans won't -- americans won't do. we keep shoving unexposed -- unemployment extension bills out there, that is the president's solution.
and it won'trked work. i am not coming out as a partisan person, but realistically i hope people stop supporting legislation because obama supports it or because mcconnell asked the tea party to support it. $15 in wagepeople increases, what will end up happening is people are going to raise their costs. i work for a company -- i just recently quit it. i would call in and would get transferred over. there would be people that did not understand. host: what were they earning per hour? can you tell me? per hour.0 i worked two jobs. i worked 80 hours per week. should i have to do that? no. but i was doing a lot harder of a job than flipping a burger. we have to get to a point where we can't have people coming to
this country illegally and reducing the quality of those jobs. maybe those people that, legally, maybe it doesn't seem unreasonable. thank you for the call. bill says -- host: a couple of political stories from some magazines, focusing on the former south carolina governor, now congressman mark sanford, going from potential contender to late-night hunch line when he was caught having an affair, now is a junior congressman he is trying to find his way in a divided gop, back to square one. a profile this morning. focusing on money and politics with one photograph of karl rove, at the white house for a dedication of the bush portrait.
karl rove and his shadow gop, spending about $1 billion trying and failing to defeat president will 2014 offer redemption"? that is the story. debbie, to morning. caller: i have two points to make. i love c-span. henry ford said -- i care member if it was 1915 or 1918, when he opened up the first plant here in detroit, he had a great quote and i am not saying it verbatim, i am sure, but it is basically -- you can't hire people and then have them not be able to afford the product. he took the average wage and paid people three times what it was. -- it is notnt was president obama that hires people, it is these corporations. the last average of all the
corporations was something like $663 billion. you know that last year they made over $950 billion? the only tax breaks for corporations should get our worker wages. we would see them hire people to count paperclips. host: we appreciate the comment. some of the books you might be reading from "the bestseller list." nation,"ices," "one "the closer," "n the 20 first century," "unbroken," and also in the top 10 list, "killing jesus" and a biography of john wayne. you can check -- check out our coverage of nonfiction books on booktv, c-span2. ray, tennessee, republican line, good morning.
to create jobs in america? start with the benchmark. pick companies at certain levels, walmart or whatnot, then set certain percentages of the products that they sell versus made in the u.s. or other countries. maybe start where everything starts at 20% made in the u.s., then ratcheted up, your goal maybe one day 50% of everything on the shelves manufactured in the u.s.. if it is a manufacturing company like caterpillar? do the same thing. if they are bringing x number of heavy equipment into the u.s., if the countries make and produce x number of percentage in the u.s., you will see jobs grow dramatically in this country. basically, where we are today, it comes down to the fact that, as the callers mentioned,
millions have been aborted in this country. if they are not allowed to be board and and then their families and their offspring -- there would be so many people in this country -- there never would have been a door open for immigrants to come in to flood the country to work because those jobs would be occupied by those unborn in the united states. you mentioned hillary as well. hillary really does not need to be getting inside anyone else's head. she needs to figure out what is inside her own head first. she does not know the difference between being broke and being a full-time millionaire. she needs to go write another book about that. an interesting piece in the outlook section of "the "lincoln'spost," other war." while he fought to preserve the union, five former presidents got in his way.
and then there is this photograph of current former presidents along with former obama, "ex-president are not ."ways so chummy our conversation with john thune, the chair of the republican conference and one of the suspects that he announced this past week, "john boehner" plans to sue the president on executive overreach -- john boehner fans to sue the president on executive overreach. [video clip] >> they recognize that this unlawful behavior needs to be challenged. an speakers lawsuit is attempt to hold this administration to account and we support those efforts. sure,stion is -- i am not could something like that happen in the senate?
votesuld need to get the and i suspect that in a democratic-controlled senate that is unlikely, but i certainly support what the house is doing. for ourpe you tune in conversation with john thune, 10:00 eastern time, 7:00 for those of you on the west coast. when we come back we will look at the week in politics and are sunday roundtable with paul waldon and michael warren. later, chris eggleton will be here to talk about the issue of presidential power and executive overreach. you are watching and listening to "washington journal," we are back in two moment. -- in a moment. ♪
host: we believe that all -- [video clip] >> we believe that all men are created equal, it yet many are denied equal treatment. we believe that all men have certain unalienable rights. yet many americans do not enjoy those rights. we believe that all men are entitled to the blessings of liberty, yet millions of the anger private those blessings. not because of their own failures, but because of the color of their skin. are deeply embedded in history and tradition and the nature of man. we can understand without rancor or hatred how this all happened. but it cannot continue.
our constitution, the foundation of our republic for bids it. it.orbids the principles of our freedom forbid it. morality forbids it. the law that i will sign tonight forbids it. >> this weekend, the 50th anniversary of the civil rights act, with president johnson's address to the signing ceremony. later, hear from reporters who covered the debate in congress. onight, 8:00 eastern, "american history tv" on c-span three. over 35 years, c-span brings public affairs events from washington directly to you.
all as a private service a public industry. we are c-span, created 35 years ago, brought to you as a public service by your local cable or satellite provider. "washington journal" continues. host: our sunday morning roundtable this morning on c-span, with paul waldman and michael warren. michael, i want to begin with you and this headline from "the hill was vote that the president is going to ask congress for more than $2 billion to respond to the influx of immigrants from asking congress to allocate that money, the official request comes tomorrow. your thoughts? i would be interesting to see what that money is expected to do. there is a crisis at the border and no one in washington seems to be responsive.
the only thing that i have seen that seems to be substantive and may well do something about the folksce and the various crossing at the border, something really interesting is happening with immigration. all we have been hearing, mostly, is due republicans jump on this bill so that they can do well with hispanic voters in the future? there is something else happening here. there is a populist anger at what a lot of people out there see as a government that is not responsive to the laws on the books regarding borders, regarding what happens when people try to cross those borders illegally. i am not entirely sure what the president's plan is to do with this money. i think that most americans would probably help that he would have some kind of risk bonds in terms of more border agents, more border security -- you hear about the story of the helicopter that flew over the border from mexico and was
firing shots at american border agents. i think that there is a lot of unrest and unease about what is happening at the border and hopefully this is something that can stanch the bleeding. there is clearly a tug-of-war debate and this from speaker boehner, when they have executive orders they change laws that they sign in and do not trust that he has done enough on the border. how do you rebuild that trust to get anything done this year on immigration? that is something that john boehner and the republicans have been saying for some time, they don't want to have to sign onto, rants of immigration reform because they don't trust express thet to law, but i think that that is an excuse. on the one hand you have a national party that knows it needs to do better among hispanic voters if it has a chance of winning presidential elections going forward.
on the other hand, when you get down to the level of the people who would have to pass it, republicans in the senate and the house don't have much of an incentive to do so. if you are the average republican member, you live in a safe, conservative district and the only real political threat comes from your right, you don't have to worry about appealing to voters on the left or in the middle. the voters on your right, where there might be some kind of a challenge coming, those voters are against comprehensive immigration reform. if you are that republican member of congress, it is not something you are interested in at all. the country of the national party about his -- appealing to hispanic voters, that is a much less acute concern for you than what goes on in your district. it is an easy out for boehner to say it is not passing because we don't trust president obama. the fact of the matter is that
it will not pass in the house because it is not in the districts of most members. on the other hand, that puts all the onus on president obama at this point and i think there is a part of this story that does not get a lot of attention, the fact that hispanic voters are starting to lose patience with the president as well. at this point anything that will happen on immigration will be on him. is not enough for him in the long term to go to hispanic voters and say -- look how bad the republicans are. he has to be able to show them that he has made some kind of effort. the executive order that he took where he implemented a temporary version of the dream act was meaningful to people. but he has to keep making progress if he is going to tell those voters that we are moving forward and something will happen to get us towards that long-term solution. that willrace beginning a lot of attention in the next few weeks, tennessee,
where they are challenging lamar alexander. this caller attack him on an amnesty agenda when it came to the moston, he is adamant republican challenging in the early primary, this is one of the latest ads from the cap pain -- from the campaign. [video clip] >> a crisis in america, thousands of illegal aliens are overrunning. president obama created this crisis after lamarr voted. he is responsible. i am representative joke are, and like you i oppose amnesty and believe in the rule of law. i have written and passed some of the toughest illegal immigration laws in this country and i will do the same in washington. i approved this message. host: how is this playing among the base of the party? it will be interesting to watch. i have spoken to a lot of folks on capitol hill who say that he is the next republican
to knock off an establishment incumbent republican. host: you think that lamar alexander will lose? no, but republicans have told me that this is a guy to watch. i think it was a pretty good ad. the straightforward. i don't know enough about joe carter's a candidate. most of us did not know enough about the man who beat eric cantor. there is this populist undercurrent within the republican current. they want more low skilled workers coming into the country and you have these conservative bases that do not want that. why have all of these issues with the runaway welfare state? why not encourage more folks to
come in? that is a real divide in the country. if he can take control of that virginia,d energy in lamar alexander is not as big of a target as the house majority leader was. joke are has his work cut out for him. politico has this about the "staggering crush of the tea party." chamber of commerce republicans spending $23 million in the key mississippi, this is the latest data from the lamar alexander campaign. [video clip] >> obamacare. the imperial presidency has trampled on our constitution. conservative leader lamar alexander has been leading the fight. >> his opening statement, the
republicans from tennessee have hold that -- held back nothing. >> this is an example of where we need to get the facts straight. >> stand with lamarr. volunteer today. makes me laugh. lamar alexander is not the chest thumping type of conservative that the ad portrays him to be. it is interesting to see how the influence of the tea party challenge -- more broadly the conservative grassroots within the republican he sounds like a rockribbed conservative. if that translates into more conservative policies and votes
they have already won. host: you are watching from unique vantage point. guest: tea party republicans have artie found ways to convince voters that they can be the vehicle for their anger and displeasure. you can see it in the ad. alexander is not that sort of tub thumping red-faced angry politician, never has been. he could be the vehicle for their displeasure. the ones who have been grahamful, like lindsay in south carolina, there are some issues on which you will work with democrats. he has worked with the obama administration on things like foreign policy, like ghazi, he
has made himself visible to his constituents. host: this is from a senator who sent out this tweet. the economy shrank by 2.9% in the first quarter. let's grow. the president was in minneapolis talking about the economy. this is president obama. >> republicans have voted down serious idea to strengthen the middle-class. you may think i am exaggerating. let me go through the list. they said no to raising the minimum wage. they said no to fair pay. some have denied there is a problem with women getting paid
a $.77 for every dollar a man is getting paid. they said no to expanding unemployment insurance. we know it would be good for the economy and the families are working hard to try to get back on their feet. rather than invest in working families and getting ahead, they voted to give a another massive tax cut to the worth list -- were -- wealthiest americans. don't boo, i want to devote. [applause] they show they will do anything to keep in place systems that really help people at the top but don't help you. host: the senate did pass a jobs
bill in a rare bipartisan vote. voted on the legislation. i think both parties have a comp -- problem talking about the economy. nothing meaningful is going to come out of conference -- congress. say that didn't whatever the problems are, it is the other side's fault. have isntage democrats they support increasing the minimum wage. they can keep hammering those things and characterize republicans as the long-term problem of inequality in the economy. the republicans will counter with their bill. asy know it will never pass long as barack obama is president. they can offer that as a solution. nobody knows.
it is enough for them to tell people we have something that we are proposing. the president will allow to happen. say side is trying to whatever they can that the basic problem's are the fault of the other side. i do know how maybe will be are slated by either one of them on that. the: our guest is contributing writer to the american prospect. michael moran is a staff writer for the weekly standard. yourare both here to take calls and comments. beverly is on the phone from chicago. caller: it is so sad to see people come on tv like you and those two guys sitting there. we need people to come on there
that are actually hurting. they have a lack of jobs or employment or being able to be paid the same amount. republicans -- it is so sad. it is a fight against this resident. -- president. we elected them to work with the president. they will not always agree with he says water is water they will say no. how can we move this country forward? there are people out here hurting. president is a dictator. you need to go back what a dictator is. if this man was a dictator, their heads would roll. we have veterans who can't get the services they need.
a couple of months ago the republicans said we don't have $16 billion to help very these are the people they are so in love with. you have kids being taken out of preschool and head start. you have senior citizens who are leaving -- losing meals on wheels. you are hurting people. you need to stop talking about the president and start talking about what republicans are not doing. host: who would like to take up? i was watching the president speech. a lot of conservatives roll her eyes at that longer he list of -- laundry list of democrat ideas. conservatives need to think more comprehensively and deeply about what the caller was talking about. there are a lot of middle-class people out there who are
hurting. they are not feeling the pinch because they're unemployed, that has stagnated a little bit, we are getting into a new normal there. with health care costs going up and the cost of living going up across the country, republicans have ceded a lot of ground on this. as they try to figure out why they're not win elections, they might want to listen to what rate -- ronald reagan spoke about. he was talking and speaking to their issues and interests. i think the caller is right in spirit. host: republicans plan to create jobs is the keystone pipeline. you can send us a tweet. good morning. caller: president obama when he
talks, he is katie hearing to people like that woman from chicago. -- catering to people like that woman from chicago. the democrats keep talking about comprehensive immigration reform. don't try to slide out of it. explain what is comprehensive reform? what is comprehensive immigration reform mean? is usingguys are doing a psycho prop word. i want to know what it means. ? host: what do you think it means? caller: i don't know. what people refer to when
they talk about comprehensive immigration reform is beefing up border security but on the other hand creating some kind of pathway to citizenship for people who have been in the country for a long time but entered illegally. that is where the real question comes in. what will you do with those people. if there is going to be a pathway tube citizenship among is it going to involve. that is the crux. that is the big disagreement in the parties. some are open to it. democrats are more inclined. gets public support when you ask people what they would approve of are things like making sure people learn english. makeis very important, to
that the immigrants get integrated into society. some kind of process. you are talking about a process that will take 10 or 12 years. these things are popular win you put them in front of people. involve work. they can get some kind of legal status. that is the thing that would people are talking about comprehensive reform, the thing that includes that path to citizenship for undocumented people. that is where the hangup comes in. the border patrol has increased over the last 10 years.
we're spending a lot more money on border security. it is the path to citizenship for the parties disagree. host: this is from michael who sends in this tweet. reached aesident tipping point? guest: we will have to see what happens after the midterm elections. if the republicans take back the can consign the president to lame-duck status except on foreign policy where he has a lot more leeway and leave lateral leeway to make policy. about theul is right contents of immigration reform is winter stand. about the term meaning the legislative process and that into one bill that republicans and democrats can come together and vote for. they can't come together and vote for it.
it is designed to fail. you're trying to please so many different people who disagree on very fundamental issues, there are republicans who say there is no way we should legalize people who came miller -- here illegally. there are democrats who say you can't send them back. you can't just put them on a bus and ship them back to mexico and points south. that is a real divide. the frustration that the color is speaking about is the process. i think in some way yes. he is not going to be getting anything meaningful through congress. unless it is an emergency. they can come together to pass a budget or increase the debt ceiling when the american economy is about to be destroyed if they don't do it. there is not going to be much of
the way of legislation. this is going to create increasing conflict over the next couple of years. residents do more on foreign policy because they have more leeway. they will be looking to what they can do with the executive actions that don't require congressional approval. when they do that, republicans will get angry because they are getting circumvented. the president response is to say you are not doing anything. the republicans would get angrier and angrier. we will have this increasing conflict. even granting that is a cover for disagreement, when people complain about process. it is because they have a disagreement about the substance of it.
i would imagine that over the next two years, he will be as theessive as he can given intractability of getting through congress. that will make more conflict. welcome our listeners on c-span at radio. guests are paul waldman and michael warren. start putting these employers who are hiring all these illegals in jail. not the people coming over the border. it is not their fault. it is the people who are hiring them a cheaper wages than the
americans are making. put them in jail. host: ok. thank you for the call. james makes this point on immigration. to artie.ext to see what my report can -- or publican party has turned into. we apologize for that language. chris mcdaniels lashes out at the gop establishment over the suicide. a tweet.ive set out
that tweet was later taken down. chris mcdaniel lost the runoff. he has not conceded the race. what is next in mississippi? guest: i don't think he has that much recourse. cochran wonthad this. increased turnout. it looks like thad cochran turned out more. i do think there are some lessons from the mississippi race that have to do with this divide within the party. establishment and chamber of commerce put a lot of money bethis race, they can
organized and by definition they are. they can win a race against a challenger. was a uniquely bad candidate running against thad cochran. he doesn't have any kind of conservative policy victories speak of and he has no legislative victory or things he can hang his hat on. he was a weak incumbent. he is older and likely to retire before the next term. chris mcdaniel ran a poor campaign and was a bad candidate and did not make more substantive debate over a republican who was much more likely to vote for federal largess. host: why was he a bad candidate? guest: there was a debate over
disturbing questions about this blogger who was taking pictures of thad cochran's wife in a nursing home. there were questions about whether the blogger was connected to the campaign. i think more professional campaign would have distanced themselves from people who might do something like this. they would come up with a better argument against thad cochran than just he is old and been there a long time and we are just anti-washington. there is something we've are going on with this divide in the party. chris mcdaniel did not exploit well. host: this is a portion of what chris mcdaniel said in mississippi on tuesday. >> there is something a bit unusual about a republican primary that has decided i liberal democrats. [applause]
so much for bold colors. of so much for principal. i guess they can take some consolation the fact that they did something tonight. of they once again reached across the aisle. they abandoned the conservative movement. [applause] i would like to know which heart of that strategy today are republican friends endorse. i would like to know what part of the strategy our statewide officials and doors. [applause]
this is not the party of reagan. we are not fighting. host: as you watch that speech, your reaction? --st: the normal inspection concession speech is the fight goes on and you congratulate your opponent. there is a debate about what elected officials are for. that mississippi is the most conservative state in the country. there may be something to that argument. when he was offering was that he would go to washington and just be an ideological crusader and not even try to do a thing in particular for the constituents. old-stylean is an pollster who tries to bring in the bacon. forries to get spending
military bases or whatever kind of federal spending he can bring home. to the votersk every time and say look what i have done for you. mcdaniel was saying that is not what a politician is for. and like to the official should lead an ideological crusade, even if it does not help you personally. he was not in adapt candidate. face,k t partiers always they try to create a debate about what we want out of the people who represent us. in sayingen too far he won't even try to improve your lives. run a crusade that will hopefully help us all eventually. it is not about you. voters are not so into that kind of message. sent in this tweet
saying when the president pushed through obamacare, he destroyed any chance of working with the republicans. hillary clinton has a new book out. we asked about political gridlock in washington. she made reference to the mississippi senate race. >> we need to elect people who believe in canada -- compromise. some say they will never compromise. they have the truth. i don't think any human being has the truth. they have a direct channel. that is just contrary to how democracies work. endorsinghould not be those kinds of views. conservative,y and a democracy and the
give-and-take of the legislative process, nobody is going to get everything they want. people should not be funding campaigns or organizations that take that view. it is not just this president. it is going to be any president who has a responsibility to the overall population of the country. to be put in a position where you can't cooperate because people are uncompromising and being funded to be uncompromising is dangerous to our democracy. our leaders on both sides of the i'll have to do more to reach out. i was taken with the recent mississippi senate primary. cochran is a great gentleman and someone i came to know when i served in the senate. he expanded the base of the republican party to win his primary. that is what you are supposed to
do. you're not supposed to just reach out to those who only agree with you. that is one of our problems. acrossnot talking partisan lines. we are not listening to each other. host: politics and political gridlock and her relationship our the media were among conversation with hillary clinton. as you listen to the former secretary of state, your thoughts? guest: they talk about compromise and the need to compromise and why don't these like thads compromise cochran does. the debate is between what the people who were elected who say
one thing when they are elected. they are against money being spent in washington and these outrageous federal programs and when they get there they vote for them. they support them. they add money to them. that is the anger that is behind a lot of the tea party debates. why are you saying you are against this and then go to washington and do something different? the problem with the mississippi thatfor conservatives was clip. at was indicative of somebody who was not wanting to debate those questions. self-serving than it should've been. the non-reinvention of
questions about his wealth, it is a symbolic thing. it is because there was some connection to what person he would be and what his agenda was. the easiest way for hillary clinton to answer those questions is to just say we made a lot of money. these are the things i want to do. then she can talk about a standard economic democratic agenda. the reason that somebody like romney struggled with it was became symbolic of what he wanted to do and what his party represented. it was easy for democrats to make that connection between the personal and the policy questions. it is more difficult. we can have fun talking about this. it is interesting to see the look at where bill clinton has gotten paid for speeches and how
much. some of the fees are staggering. i think in the end it will be much easier for her to put that stuff aside, even if they do have $100 million. politico magazine is out with the new gilded age. how money took over politics. john is in memphis tennessee. caller: there are so many topics you are covering. i love c-span. me a chanceple like to speak. i am from memphis thomas aniseed. .e are a blue bastion
i want to say obama has been a prisoner and has been obstructed since day one. he is not been allowed to achieve anything. that is obvious. they had a meeting the day he was elected and it was very obvious. the tea party is some kind of cousind, lower-class that is now raised its head and is all over the place. it is failing in mississippi. it is killing people in las vegas. it is draping flags over dead policeman. i am glad it is dividing the republicans. on the subject of immigration reform, i heard someone say they
should put employers in jail. i worked in a restaurant. i am a chef. we work with a lot of hispanics. they are good people. i don't know who is legal or illegal. i think there is something to that. i think there should be a government agency that investigates people who hire them. they do it for a reason. i did not get a job because there were so many illegal immigrants that would work for less. for the call.u we will get a response. guest: he is speaking to something there at the end about immigration. this is a populist argument against bringing more illegal immigrants. reform, doing so will invite more to come here
illegally or just through legal channels. don't makecs of it sense right now. nobody is making that argument. theink democrats talk about history of immigration in the country. about the chance for these people to become a new americans and that is part of our history. peoplecans talk about trying to put food on the table for their families as well. issing from that debate, think you saw with the eric what are we doing bringing people here who are getting paid below minimum wage because they are getting paid under the table without paying taxes. they are being taken advantage of.
that is part of the debate that is missing and we are not hearing it. host: jim is joining us from pennsylvania. morning, everybody. i was listening to mr. obama. i don't think anybody should vote for republicans. when 70 has the attitude that we divert -- deserve the trickle-down and what they throw to us, that is detrimental to every working american. the thing i listen to mr. obama talking about raising the minimum wage, i don't understand how they think. me obama's health-care cost an extra $500 a year. the people who can afford it.
i understand. i go along with that. the trickle-down effect, they don't want to give any working person anything for any reason. i don't see how anybody votes for them. is, mr. obama's minimum wage, how many more jobs is that going to push overseas to different countries? donean't something be about these jobs going overseas? that seems to be the problem. not what people get paid. host: let me take his point into areas. we have seen a number of companies increase minimum wage not because it is required but because it wants to do so.
they are following aaa and gap. guest: it may be good for business. people like the idea of going to a place where the people who work there are being paid something where they can live and provide for their families. i want to take a point with jobs not being there. in certain parts of the country that is true. it other parts it is not. when you go to texas or north they are doing a lot of oil and gas exploration. they are paying well above minimum wage. they are difficult. to a place that
is harsh in the winter. i think north dakota has a nine-month winter. is a story that american to been doing for a long time. they have been going into the elements defined work. there are of hope, jobs here. you have to know where to find them. they exist. expanding the markets for american jobs overseas. guest: this is a quandary. this is something we have struggled with for a couple of decades as manufacturing became less expensive. they are trying to find new , what ismanufacturing happening is you are seeing a lot of movement.
there is not going to be any movement in the short term in washington. there are cities and states where they are passing minimum wage increases. this is something we will see a lot of into why 14 and 2016. you will see more states increasing minimizes -- and among wages. it is a good issue for democrats. they will get an advantage of it. they will get their voters to turn out and republicans will be on the defensive. is politically fruitful for them to do it. it is going to be very important in the next couple of elections. let's go to marry in california. go ahead. caller: thank you for c-span. that reportersng
are underestimating is the number of democratic voters. up 20 miles south of san francisco. i have seen progressive policies be implemented in this state over a. of the last 40 or 50 years. i am stunned when i hear people from other parts of the country talk about liberal policies. they out to move here and see what it is like when they have been implemented. they are a disaster. i havehe obama rollout, been a gradual convert. i would not support progressive policies. i will not support immigration reform. the thing that surprises me about newspeople is why nobody brings up nafta.
that is why so many of our jobs overseas. i do know anybody who would vote for hillary clinton. you can't talk about this in california because everything is so politically correct. they would run you out of the neighborhood. huge numbers of democratic voters are not going to vote democratic. host: we will get a response. would i don't know if i agree with the analysis of what is going on in california. one of the interesting things going on is there isn't a major challenger. the democratic party is normally
so fractured us and beset by infighting is there isn't going to be any. nobody is stepping up to run against her. is the most complicated environment there is economically. democrats have had remarkable success. who would've thought that jerry a 20 would be rolling to point win which is what it looks like he is going to do a november. that is a remarkable political story. the state has some budgetary challenges, but it has gotten a lot better in the last couple of years. the republicans are all but nonexistent in california. democrats can do it they want. it looks like brown is having a lot of success. with johnan conclude
boehner. this is what he had to say about executive orders. >> can you explain why that is necessary? makes itnstitution clear that the president's job is to execute the laws. he has not faithfully execute the laws. we have a system of government. it is outlined in our constitution. congress has its job and so does the president. when there are conflicts like it is in my view our responsibility to stand up for this institution we serve.
this is not about impeachment. this is about executing the laws of our country. host: let me begin with you michael. guest: looking at the supreme the recessg with appointments being shown to be unconstitutional, the supreme court is interested in discussing this divide between executive branch and legislative branch. was a big party in that fight with the nlrb. the speaker is making a good constitutional case against more executive overreach. these are questions the court needs to decide. they are thinking about it in
terms of separation of powers. host: we expect to get the decision by the supreme court on the hobby lobby case of the being a birth control requirement of the affordable care act. that is expected after 10:00 tomorrow morning. we don't really know what there is to john boehner's lawsuit. he did not tell us what it is. degree that to a great this is something aimed at satisfying republicans. he is fighting against the president. never accepting the legitimacy of the obama presidency. you have seen that since the moment he was elected. ofs lawsuit can be short impeachment for them to say we
are going to fight against this president who we think is not really a legitimate president in the first place and we will show what a tyrant he is being. we won't know if there is anything to that until we actually see what the grounds are for the lawsuit, which he hasn't seen yet. we can follow your work online. gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it. we will continue our conversation on executive overreach and the lawsuit. coming up next is an expert to explain what it all means.
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history tv on c-span three. journal"gton continues. we appreciate you very much. guest: glad to be here. executives talk about orders. the president has had 181 executive orders. during his eight years in the white house, george w. bush had 291. bill clinton had a 364. president george herbert walker bush had 100 626. >> the context is good. presidents have used them in other ways since the beginning of the country. when people hear the term
executive order, they think the president can do this or he can't do it and he is overstepping constitutional bounds. is they arestion not right or wrong. they have to be justified. it depends on the specific actions taken. >> explain what the speaker announced this week. guest: he announced that there is going to be a lawsuit against the president does -- it is vague. thestatement mentioned president acting like a king. that made me think of the declaration of independence. this included specific grievances against the king and why they were upset. memo has not.
they will focus on things like the delay in the affordable care act. to deferion deportation for people brought to united states at a young age and epa regulations. the case, i would disagree. companys a private affected by the appointment. they had standing to sue. the biggest problem for speaker boehner is the court may say you cannot be before. you don't have standing under the constitution. you cannot show the were injured and there is nothing to be done about it. host: this is how the president responded to speaker banners an announcement last week. have speaker banner talking about suing you. president,elected a we did not elect a king. guest: he didn't specifically
say what he was objecting to. i am not going to apologize for trying to do something while they are doing nothing. the suit is a stunt. what i told speaker banner directly is if you are concerned about me taking too many executive actions, what are you try getting something done through congress. the majority of american people want immigration reform done. you are going to squawk if i take some parts of it administratively that are within my authority while you are not doing anything? host: that is from an abc interview that aired last thursday. this is a tweet from karen it. there is an amount of partisanship.
i think the president has a good case. what he has done domestically is hard to challenge. you can disagree with that and not like the affordable care act. thelmost certainly has power to make these decisions. for speaker banner and republicans and some democrats i don't why they don't focus on the national security side. stronger casech here. there is legislation that would keep the president from acting in iraq. do speaker said he cannot anything about that, that is the presidents decision.
the president cannot act unilaterally on a foreign-policy and national security. host: our guest has a lot agree from harvard. he teaches government at american university here in washington dc. let me ask you about the other major case coming from the supreme court this week. guest: i would disagree with that. what happened in that case was not voting on filling open vacancies and other areas. the president took a view of recess power that was not preposterous. he lost in the court and that happens sometimes. i don't think it was a clear overreach. some overreachit is our sometimes.
it got fixedme, politically. not in the way that you may like, but the senate said to get rid of the filibuster when it comes to most nominations. this problem won't come up in the near future. that is an interesting point for speaker banner. there are actions you can take. i think that is what the court will say. host: we welcome your calls. send us a tweet or send us an e-mail. does the constitution define the presidential authority? guest: it doesn't. i did not growing up,
read it. i was intimidated by it as a kid. it is pretty accessible. there are a lot of questions. that a short document provides a general outline. they are filled in by practice. said inwith the court the decision. the recess power had been shaped. that does not mean the president and congress can do whatever they want. there are limits. there are ambiguities. i the speaker rightly said, hope congress will do that when it comes to foreign-policy. i think congress has been way too deferential. host: let's get to your phone calls. bert is calling from columbus,
georgia. caller: i've been trying to get on the affordable care act since 2013. the president keeps changing it. he keeps changing the law. the law is the law of the land. how can he keep changing that you don't have to abide by it but if you do? the president why made a law and he made certain things for the lot to happen. hen he gets a roadblock, changes the law. that would be a standing. guest: that is an excellent question. this is the way the law works. the courts have recognized pretty broad residential
enforcement for prosecutor oh distraction. it is not always so clear. laws give the president discretion. the courts have recognized that the president in carrying out the laws is not simply congress's servant. he gets to make decisions on how to prioritize things. if the president decides it is necessary to put off the employer mandate for year to make the law work, he can do this. the courts of said we will only override issues like this if the delay is unreasonable. there is a lot of room for the president to make decisions. congress is not powerless.
it can change the law. they can make other actions. they can cut off funding or make it harder for the president to nominate people. tried to force changes in the affordable care act through the debt ceiling or through government shutdown. they have tools at their disposal. the way the law is worded, the judicial form is not the best place to address this. it is very likely the courts will say that the president and congress should work it out between themselves. host: there is a case called
windsor last year were there was a question about standing by congress to defend a law. scalia said in that case even if the president decides not to enforce the law, the court should not weigh in on it. congress has many tools to compel enforcement, even impeachment. these matters are not worked out in the court. my bias is for the court to be involved. i am a lawyer. i will be interested to see what happens with this lawsuit. the courts are not feeling 12 interpret this. the public plays a role as well. if people get upset enough. if people get upset, that can force changes will. it is a fluid and dynamic process. there are not clear answers and
congress can take action. host: our guest is from american university. we are looking at the role of the president and the rule of law. good morning on the independent line. you are on the air. caller: hello? the president.on anould like to say that i am advocate out of pennsylvania. i would like to know why the democratic party won't stand up thatave the people see congress took an oath when they went into office to represent the people and protect them from any bodily harm that may come to them. congress has misused appropriation funds on the
shutdown. on thesesed funds investigations they are having. funds, misused public they are prosecuted on a local level. has been misusing funds since resident obama has been in office. how many governors do you know in 12 different states have the same agenda? they want to cut education and cutfood stamps and that -- emergency funding for those who are unemployed. those people paid money into the unemployment system in order to be able to get it. host: your question? caller: why doesn't the democratic arnie file a suit ofinst the gop for misuse
misappropriation of funds. guest: that is an interesting point. the firstson says check on government is the people. if people get upset about , that really does matter. if enough people say something and take it -- action, that matters as well. the people are a check. i don't see a basis for a lawsuit against the president or congress. i don't think there is one in a legal form. we are seeing an overlap between constitutional and political issues. actionsident can take and the people can two. you should make your point. you should go to your legislator
and contact the president. that is an important part of the process as well. host: what is an executive order? what are the checks and balances on them? the president does have the executive power. as i said before, the constitution is often worked out based as practice. presidents have issued executive orders, other forms and unilateral action. it has been recognized as a way for the president to exercise the executive power. it is not an unlimited power. in executive order has the law only if it can be linked to some authority under the constitution or statute. for example, president roosevelt in 1942 issued an infamous executive order that led to the detention of japanese americans without trial.
that was the executive order. i would argue it is unconstitutional. congress and the court did not eliminate it. other executive orders like president clinton issuing the emancipation proclamation, that i think could be justified by congressional action. congress did pass statutes that give the president authority to seize property from the south. unfortunately, it was a grotesque reality of american history. african-americans were seen as property at the time. is, wheneverwer ,he president takes any action it has to be justified either by the constitution or statute. that is the key limit on presidential power. the way to enforce that usually is through congress. in some extreme cases, it can be through the courts. host: good morning.
i understand our emergency powers because, ok, he just mentioned abraham lincoln. through the supreme court from maryland in the jail, because he did not want maryland to become a state. he also leaves off the part once he did that, he recognized the south is another country or another origin. actually, he made a mistake and nobody held him to it. guest: you're talking about a very interesting case in 1861. this is an example of president overreaching. did ultimatelyln justify his actions. hetially, for good reason, suspended habeas corpus. he gave the military the authority to take people who were suspected of being secessionists and put them in jail or military prisons without access to the court.
congress has that authority, not the president. the man who was imprisoned filed a petition for writ of habeas the court said, the president is acting as a king and can't do this. he wasn't taking into account lincoln was doing this because of emergency. lincoln did legitimize his actions. he went to congress. he said, some of the things i did may not have been strictly legal. i'm asking you to ratify them now because they were done out of necessity. i think that is a good model for emergency action. if there is a real emergency, the president can do so but he has to make his case or her case to congress, which lincoln did. host: harold, it illinois. thank you, c-span, for taking a regular guy's call. host: thank you for calling in.
caller: if you look back on it since his presidency began, they pretty much have been constructionist or obstructionist against him. a party of no. he hasn't had a choice to get anything done, he is had to do this on his own. i think he is doing them within his rights. now, when0 years from they look back at the very first like presidency, they see the republicans were a party of the whole bunch of old white guys -- i am an old white guy. a party of white guys that all obstructed the very first black president. how far have we come on everything, you know, really? guest: i think it is a smart point. but i think when it comes to domestic matters, your point is a very fair one.
commerce has made clear if obama supports something, they are not -- congress has made clear it obama supports something, they are against it. even if it is beneficial. affairs side,eign national security, i think congress has given the president too much room. iraq. president obama has made clear if he wants to bomb iraq, he will do so. members of congress have urged them to do so. speaker boehner said, where is the president? he stepping on this. he is saying the president should act. congress has the power to declare war. the president should not be making these decisions lunar laterally -- unilaterally. domestic side, you're right, has done every thing you can do reject president obama's agenda. he has tools available to them to act against that. on the foreign policy, national
you can get this chart online. does this tell you the full story? executivet like orders, recess appointed seven done for a long time. it doesn't tell you when they are justified and when they are not. that is why the court addressed them in this case. the reason this case is different as the weiner case, a private company is -- boehner case, private company is affected. the court said just aspires opinion that looks at historical practice. they said, well, this is something presidents do. how do we define it. this conclusion was, if there is a recess of more than 10 days, the president to make an appointment. a federal justice would have gone further and said the power is much more limited. technicallyuse is
an recess for the july 4 holiday but meeting in pro forma sessions. we cover them here on c-span. they last maybe two minutes. good point.is a what is happening, basically, the house is preventing the senate from going into recess because the house would force the senate to hold pro forma sessions which would prevent president obama from having a recess long enough to make the typical appointments. president obama says his argument would be, i had to do this because the house was not allowing this. as i said, what happened, the -- there was an fix sorted out within congress. the senate decided, we're simply going to change this. the reason the supplements are being held up was because you could not a closure. you cannot get 60 votes on a nominee. the senate decided, we are going to get rid of that for most appointments. it has basically been fixed by the senate itself.
many of these conflicts can be fixed within them. ingress got involved commerce ratified his actions. it is often the case. host: chris, orange come in california, republican line. caller: thank you for taking my call. if you increased enema wage, a lot of people are afraid it will increase goods and services. i know you guys mentioned ikea can do it, so they are, but what about the middle class, mom-and-pop shops? won't they suffer because of it? guest: great question. i'm not an expert in this area, but there are studies that i think you can look at that will give you a suggestion about the answer. and it is important to know what has happened. there certainly is support. president obama would like to see minimum wage raise. president obama says, i need to act because congress hasn't, that is what he means.
he would like to see minimum wage raised. pretty low level historically. he raised the minimum wage through executive order for a narrow group of workers in the federal contractors. who justifytion under statute. there's a federal contracting that gives the president authority to take action unilaterally to improve the efficiency or economy of federal contracting. president obama cited that law and is executive order. if congress disagrees, it has a number of steps to take. the simple one would be, cut off funds. it also could change the law permits the president's discretion. it is a pretty narrow and limited action. to your earlier point, one of our viewers saying, if you read it closely, the canon case is not really adverse to the executive when it comes to --
guest: i never wrote an opinion who clearly want to remove the executive power. just buyers opinion was more narrow. it does give the president more room. it could be sorted out largely between congress and the president. that is the way the court left it. i don't think it has a large negative impact. it doesn't have an impact right now for president obama because this will come up again under the senate rules. there will not be the same problem. host: evansville, indiana. caller: good morning. i want to share a couple of thoughts. i'm 62 years old, vietnam vet. the thing they talk about the iraq he wore him a i can understand -- iraq war. i can understand why president obama is being cautious. i was in vietnam. one day i'm in vietnam and the
next day i am back in the states in the war ended just like that. my role in the war. as far as this ain't -- i've been round the block. mr. boehner is wanting to sue the president. how would he feel if all these folks are unemployed that he deliberately pushed us off to the side, and this is a crazy comment or question, but what would you do if all these unemployed folks chipped in one dollar and decided to sue him because he is delaying the unemployment? i know it sounds -- guest: good point. i understand. first, i'm glad you made it back from vietnam. appreciate you did. i think you're right to raise these concerns about iraq. i worry about it will about possible military action. there've been many military actions in the past that went wrong. in vietnam, president johnson misled congress.
i think you're right. it is important to be careful, and that is why history shows us when presidents act alone for don't get good information to congress, bad things happen. it is important for congress to play a role. commerce should not be advocating a national security. there is legislation in congress that at least attempts to rein in the president on iraq. i think that is good and important. people -- speaker boehner. i was laughing because it is funny, sort of unusual point of view, but the point you're making is a good one. matter or should matter in a constitutional democracy. the people say congress as being distracted. will bringay they this lawsuit, they can react in good ways. or they could say about what is he doing? there are other problems. would've an economy that hasn't fully recovered from the crisis of 2008. lots of people unemployed.
with national security issues. why isn't congress getting involved in these issues? it is a smart point. if that is the way people react, it will be a problem for congress. speaker boehner is taking a risk. on the one hand, within his own party, plenty of people are upset with president obama and would like to see president obama impeached. speaker boehner says it is not about impeachment, but clearly, he's trying to satisfy them. the risky rises will he alienate people like you saying, why isn't congress talking about extending the employer mandate in the affordable care act when we have these other problems? we will see what happens. host: let me conclude with this chart --
it has dropped significantly dating back to eisenhower. barack obama on hand to have the fewest number of executive order since grover cleveland. is the subject of "the washington post" article. mr. obama is on track to have fewer executive orders on average since grover cleveland in his first term. so is it the type of executive orders versus the number -- guest: i completely disagree
with the ipad says about overreaching. he is not ending deportation. he is delaying it. if a new president comes in, that would end. the decision about marijuana enforcement is a classic case of prosecutorial discretion. where i do think there's overstepping his in the foreign policy national security side. that is where the numbers don't tell the tale. some of the actions president obama has taken a national security, signing things with the christian release, targeting u.s. citizens -- signing things with the prisoner release, targeting u.s. citizens. i think the row focus should be on the national security foreign policy side. host: the book is titled up and quit emergency presidential power and the rule of law." thank you very much for being here. we're going to continue our conversation as we turn our
thoseion to the issue of young children, the illegal immigrants coming primarily from honduras and guatemala and ecuador, central america as they arrived in to the u.s. from the mexican border with the administration doing and -- what the administration is going to be doing. woodrow wilsonhe international center for scholars will be joining us in just a moment. first, a look at the other sunday morning programs, all of which can be heard on c-span radio. you can follow c-span radio on twitter. >> good morning. on today's sunday tv talk shows, unaccompanied minors having across the southern border and mexico is one of the topics included. also, the situation in iraq, the irs, and politics on the sunday shows. you can hear rebroadcasts of the programs on c-span radio beginning at noon eastern with nbc's "meet the press."
at 1:00 p.m. eastern, abc "this week" in an interview with president obama. also peter king. at 2:00 p.m., fox news sunday including bob goodlatte a virginia republican, a california democrat, and retired general michael hayden, former cia and nsa director. unit falls at the 3:00 with california republican congressman darrell issa, a michigan republican congressman mike rogers. also on the program today, clay aiken, north carolina democratic candidate for congress. at 4:00 p.m., "face the nation" with joe manchin, john barrasso, and james jeffries. that is james jeffrey. there brought years of public
service by the network in c-span. the rebroadcast again that noon eastern. listen to them all on c-span here in the1 fm washington, d.c. area. nationwide on xm satellite radio, channel 120. you can download our free app or listen online at c-span.org. >> author daniel shulman on the koch brothers. >> this lawsuit played out between the four koch brothers, charles and david on one side, ill and frederick and other shareholders of koch industries on the other. this: it's in a boardroom showdown -- this insight and a boardroom showdown.
they were essentially trying to expand the size of the board. this could have ended up to opposing charles is the -- deposing charles as the chairman. is tossedsult is bill out of the company. a few years later -- >> by his brothers. >> by his brothers. there's a really dramatic moment in the book where the board has to sit down and decide bills fate. >> daniel shulman tonight at 8:00 eastern on "q&a." host: we want to welcome eric olson with the woodrow wilson center for international studies as we focus on latin america and in particular, those unaccompanied minors were coming to the u.s. across the mexican border. let me begin with news on the sunday morning from the "l.a. times." the president to seek $2 billion
just in the search of the central american immigrants. the president will be asking congress to give them broader powers to speed up the deportation of unaccompanied minors and parents along with children and also the president saying he will need the additional money to try to figure out of deportation process. also dealing with the humanitarian needs of these young children. ,uest: it is incredible story unexpected in many ways. 52,000 young people, minors, have shown up at the border since october of last year. more as 60,000 coming before the end of the year. the processing that takes place with these children is overwhelming. there are not able to handle it as quickly as they might. they have to hold them in detention facilities that are overcrowded. it is creating another problem, which is big holding facilities of young people until they can
figure out what to do with them. host: eric olson, let's take a step beyond the headlines. you are recently in south america. what is happening? why are these young children coming to the u.s.? why are their parents allowing them to come? what is the economic situation that is driving them to do this? guest: there are probably three factors come in many more, but at least three. first, historic migration. this is a region in the 1980's and 1990's has settled from civil war, civil conflict, so there was enormous amount of migration out of el salvador, honduras, and guatemala. some of this is a historic pattern. people wanting to reunite with family members, parents, so that is one factor. the second factor is economic. this is a region that is extremely poor. there suffered from a great deal of poverty and inequality there. 50% of guatemalan
children under the age of 5 suffer from chronic malnutrition. 80% of children under the age of 5 in rural guatemala suffer from non-attrition. there is economic duress and problems in the region. thatore recent phenomenon has been a dramatic increase in homicides and violence related to two things. one, drug trafficking and the other, gangs in those countries. some of the gains were deported southmerica to centra america, and that is leading to an increase in migration from northern tribal of central america since 2008. the other question which you alluded to is why these children are leaving now and why they're going on their own.
that is a little more difficult to know. part of it is the need to reunite with family members. the other part of it is, rumors have gotten started in central america that somehow the united states is going easy on children if they show up at the borders. i think there's misinformation. the coyotes, the traffickers in a belated the story, try to thisrage people to go now, is your moment, the u.s. is being easy. obviously, they're not held to truth in advertising standards as traffickers, so they will say whatever they need to say to get people to go. all those factors together i think have led to this surprising exodus of young people from the region. host: i want you to explain how they're getting from ecuador and honduras through mexico to the u.s. border. guest: it depends on where they're coming from, but el salvador and honduras are the
southern two countries. they're coming through guatemala, across the guatemala-mexican border. erratically, some go through will ease on the way. really overland is the preferred route. there are two trains daily from southern mexico and many people jump on those trains, ride the trains on the top of the train. very careless journey. ous journey.l they try to jump those trains and force people to pay passage in an unofficial way. otherwise, they take buses and walk and hop on trucks and whatever they can do to make it through mexico, which is a very long journey to the u.s. border. host: and are most coming from guatemala and honduras? guest: yes, most of them are coming from honduras. honduras has the highest homicide rate in the world right now.
90 per 100,000. extraordinarily high. the u.n. says anything over 20 per 100,000 is war-like in nature. secondly is guatemala and thirdly, el salvador. all those three countries together are the most violent countries in the world not currently at war. host: complicating this, some of the diseases these children are bringing in -- swine flu virus hepatitis. how do we deal with that? guest: that is why there is important to be screening. obviously, the first up is to try to discourage them from coming, for there to be more programs in their countries that would discourage them from coming. but once they're in the united states and in detention, that is why there is a screening process, not only in terms of a legal hearing, but there should be help -- health screening. sending a child back to honduras --h 10 centigrade another
with swine flu virus create another epidemic that doesn't help anyone. the first up has to be dealing with root causes in those three countries and then screening along the way. host: jeh johnson testified on capitol hill, getting tough questions from members of congress including this from mike rogers of alabama. have a crisis and i don't see this administration doing anything about it other than trying to house the children. i understand the humanitarian basis for that, but we need to send a signal to these other countries that it is not going to work. you can't send your children appear and let them stay. we're going to give them right back to you. i'm looking run you a way to do that. a clear signal to not send these parent -- for parents do not send these children. tell me what you can do other than giving them to hhs. nothing? have you called the national guard out or ask for it? >> i would like to consider
every option that is presented. i went through in my prepared wetimony the 12 or 13 steps have taken to deal with the crisis. which includes building more detention space. >> the speaker of the house last week called on the president to mobilize the national guard, to go down to give some relief to fema in this crisis. why can't you call on the president to do that? i sir, if you're asking me if can take an unaccompanied child, turnaround at the border and send them right back to guatemala, i don't live the law would permit us to do that. host: eric olson? guest: it is a complicated situation, no question about it. obviously, the congressman would like u.s. government and the administration to be more aggressive on this front. in many ways, they have been. vice president biden went to guatemala a little over a week ago and sent a stern statement
of the public and central america that this was a dangerous thing, that the u.s. was not going to admit children. and president obama yesterday basically said the same thing, does in your children. the problem is, that message sometimes falls on deaf ears when people are desperate, when their children are being killed and the communities, where they are faced with gang violence, the possibilities of economic , opportunity. it is a real tug-of-war. is a solution on the border? no, i don't think so. i think he was could do more on terms of processing these and more processing quickly. but some of these children do have a legitimate claim to come into the united states. let me give an example. the president said yesterday that there are traffickers of children in central america involved in child trafficking.
if those children are here -- ite they did not wasn't their choice, necessarily, we have an obligation to hear them out and deal with the criminal activity. that is part of what was in the president's message yesterday. i'm not saying they're all in that boat, not at all, but there are clearly people here not because they chose to be, but because in some ways they were brought. those situations due to be taking care of as well. host: if you live in a southern border state, we want to hear from you. our guest is eric olson was with woodrowld drew -- wil wilson center. is a graduate of trinity college and american university. chris, brooklyn, new york. caller: thank you for c-span. a couple of quick comments. first, we don't have an obligation to take care of the children of the world. their parents do.
their parents are the ones trafficking them. something else, this is a highly organized effort for tens of thousands of people across the u.s. border. this is not some haphazard event. security put out a request back in january, anticipating this many people coming. also, talk about the traffickers. these parents have an obligation to their children. i, in new york, do not. guest: i certainly understand the frustration, and simply saying some of these children, not all of them, have been trafficked either through sex trafficking or other trafficking
. as a result, we need to be able to try to distinguish what the motivation for them coming was. that is what is going on at the border now. people are going through hearing process, and initial hearing process. being released to a parent or relative been asked to come back to court. that process takes a while. i think that is with the administration is trying to change the dynamics that there is not an impression you're giving them a free pass into the united states. the hearing takes place at the detention facility and there is a determination, whether it is a legitimate claim or not. host: this follow up who says -- refugee status is something the u.n. determinants. in this case, the u.n. has not designated these as refugees. toy only have claims clinical asylum if they are fleeing persecution or
particular violence. legitimate claim. but that is not the case at all. the vast majority of these cases will not meet the standard of political asylum and will likely be deported. host: jan makes the comment -- let's go to john in west palm beach, florida. caller: this has been going on for many years. reificationly planned by the obama administration. it started in 2008, as soon as he got elected. everybody knows about this. in palm beach county, the sheriff's office has a program that gives them identification.
what i mean by identification, i work for the postal service. for the last two years, we have been flooded through third-party, from guatemala, and it was a concerted effort to get people in this country illegally identification. people have toy dance around this issue. it is quite clear that what they're trying to do is reunify the children with the people that are here illegally. host: is that the case? isst: i would not say that the obama administration's goal necessarily. the losses if you're here legally in the united states, there is a process whereby you could be reified with your family over time. it is a very lengthy process. those who are here without documents or here illegally don't have any right to reunification. the motivation of the children and the parents whether they're here legally or not is to be
unified, to come together, but i don't necessarily agree that is the obama administration's policy. they have said quite the opposite and have said they're going to deport these children. host: another comment from a viewer -- our next caller is from texas. good morning. caller: good morning. i thought i heard mr. wilson say this great wealth disparity down there in those countries. and that makes me think of mexico with its wealth of resources and the ruling class doesn't seem to be able to share domestic tranquility in their country. i wonder why the state department hasn't been involved in diplomatic channels to get
this under control or sanctions to these other countries who can't provide or won't provide for their population, share their wealth so they have a future and don't have to come to our country? i understand it is such that mcdonald's has people applied for welfare because they don't want to take care of their responsibilities, either. host: thank you, pete. guest: it is true much of the origins of this problem lie in central america and the inability of the government's there to create situation of economic opportunity for their citizens. the situation of stability and peace. there have been numerous problems in central america for decades now.
the u.s. does have a program called the central american regional security initiative. million around $800 focused on all of central america since 2008. it is designed to deal with some of these underlying problems. some would say it is not enough money, it is not targeted properly, it doesn't go far enough. but the u.s. is engaged in central america with a full diplomatic presence there. thereresident biden was just over a week ago. i quite frankly think that is where we should concentrate what we do, and i agree with the caller on that. host: roger green asking and answering in a tweet -- another caller from texas. good morning. caller: good morning.
or thoughts for this , being in a border state, the comment earlier about it's not an issue -- it is definitely an issue and protecting those , is an and my opinion issue. the other problem i have is those of us that live in one of these border states that are getting the massive number of migrants like 47,000 in six months, a good portion of the resources to house, check on the medically, feed, come out of the state coffers and not out of the national coffers. host: eric olson? guest: most of the immigration enforcement responsibilities fall on the federal authorities.
we spend roughly $18 billion a year on border enforcement. so it is an enormous federal responsibility and federal cost that deals with these things. there aren'tsting certain state responsibilities and costs associated with that. if people are released and allowed to go to school, obviously, that is a local expense. but overall, border enforcement is a federal responsibility and it costs an enormous amount of money. host: joan has this question -- guest: mexico is in a difficult situation as well. they are deporting hundreds if not thousands of people weekly back to central america. they could possibly do more.
i'm not saying they can't. but they are to scramble angela this problem like we are as well. but they are trained to scramble and deal with this problem like we are. host: myrtle beach, south carolina. good morning. caller: yes, my question is, don't you think that maybe karma is responsible for the situation? i mean, after all, 500 years ago, the native peoples in the western hemisphere could not stop the hoards of european people to come to the western hemisphere, and they brought their diseases along with them. badet's not put all the health issues out there on these poor, wretched children from
central america. if they were coming from european countries, the american people would be throwing roses at their feet. guest: well, i mean, central america, especially in the northern tier central america, the countries where talking about, do face in norma's challenges. charges.e enormous guatemala has problems with extreme poverty and malnutrition. some of that has historic routes, no doubt about it. with the question is, what are the government's going to do now? what is the u.s. going to do now to address these long-standing problems. ? host: let's take a look at how many border patrol so far in 2013. for added 14,000 total. three to 67,000 adults.
38,000 unaccompanied juveniles. ..5 thousand unaccompanied >> explain the difference. >> accompanied juvenile would becoming with the mother or father or some kind of are responsible adult. carlo.he next call, welcome to the program. caller: my issue is homeland security as a whole is broken. this is something set up by the bush administration. of the obama fault administration is much as the politics would like to explain it. my problem is the way legals are being treated. they're being abused in the immigration process. national, a foreign her daughter was born abroad. first time traveling alone, she was accosted at customs and said she was a liar, she is not welcome here, things like that.
and this was by a non-us born immigration officer. so someone who possibly had a chip on their shoulder. what really bothers me as well about the whole situation with illegals, illegals are being given health care. legals are not. in theay they are two-year process of becoming legal. they're not eligible, from what i've been told, to get health care. it has become nature delays for the legalization process for people doing it legally are people starting the process legally than the once doing it illegally. host: thank you, carlo. it is in my area of expertise, but it is true when a person arrives without proper documents and they're allowed to stay in the country, they do have to have certain services until they have a hearing. that is what is going to happen
with these children. there given a court date or date to appear before immigration officer. during that time, they will receive certain assistance as children. these are children. they need basic nutrition, basic health care. the question is, can that process the sped up so it is not six months, nine months, overwhelmed. that is what they're working on now. that is what the administration is working on and what president obama said in announcing his request for $2 billion to try to improve our process at the border. host: this is from jay sanders saying that pay smugglers to deliver children to the border where our government and delivers them to the parents. is that over civil fight? -- is that oversimplified? guest: a little bit. the parents can either be in the country of origin or in the united states.
moves to the united states and they can be identified, then they are released to the parent in the united states. but ultimately, unless they can prove some basis for persecution, they're going to be returned to their home countries. pays the coyotes and smugglers? it depends on the particular situation. host: many get your reaction to what the president said in his interview with abc news. is, under current law, once those kids come across the border, there's a system in which we're supposed to process them, take care of them, then we can send them back. >> [indiscernible] >> our messages, don't send your trainsn unaccompanied on or through a bunch of smugglers. that is our direct and such to
the families and central america. do not send your children to the borders. if they do make it, more importantly, they may not make it. guest: i think that is what i was trying to say. when a child arrives without an , tot to accompany him reunite them with somebody who's going to be responsible for them if they can identify them, then call them back in for hearing to decide their ultimate fate, whether they're deported or allowed to stay in this country. the administration is trying to send the message to central america that sending your children on this perilous journey where many are abused, it is not a good idea. alternately, there will probably be deported again. secretary john kerry was in panama was before the inauguration of the new president. he met with the president of honduras and other presidents to again reinforce this message that they need to do more to
keep the children from coming because, my gosh, they're going to suffer enormously along the way only to alternately be returned. host: this is from colorado -- the vast majority are going north three mexico into the united states. there's some evidence of them going to the south, but that number is quite small. host: from new jersey, stella is on the phone. good morning. the thing i have to say is, i am so glad that you used the expression somebody to take responsibility for these children. first of all, we have no way of knowing who is actually gathering that these children, who is sending them, and who is taking responsibility for them. this is human trafficking, clear and simple. there is no way of knowing whether the people assuming
responsibility for these children are actually parents and family members, because there is no actual documentation. are we to give each child and each adult a dna test to be sure that they are actually being given to parents and family? this whole situation is completely illogical. are minorsthat there being gathered up, being transported, and we do know adults are taking responsibility. right well, the caller is in some cases. but in other cases, the children are striving to come to the united states to be reunited with and on tour uncle, a family member who may be here illegally. they may have gotten their documentation transferred into a
legal status. there is a variety of possibilities. not all of them are coming to join with somebody that is here illegally. why this becomes an issue is, even if you're here legally in this country, let's say you're from honduras and have a residency visa, and you want to bring up your child, your nephew because you're fearful they will be killed in the community they live in. that legal process of family reunification can take years, if not decades. people become desperate. they say, i will take my chances. i will pay and have them brought up so they can be with me because otherwise, the alternative in their mind might be, having a child i by staying in honduras. that is the component of this that i think people don't realize. hunters is the most homicidal country in the world.
90 per 100,000. in some communities, 15 to 25 years old, nearing 400 per 100,000. the options are pretty stark for people in their making very difficult choices. .ost: our guest is eric olson what drives the economy and honduras? line: they have assembly ,here they do textile assembly low skilled labor. agriculture. shipping out of honduras. but it is not a very sophisticated economy. so this is where the problem lies. people don't have many options. host: good morning from texas. caller: about 40 years ago i was
driving on the highway and past the border patrol car and i had seen in the legal walking on the highway, which you come to know as such by their dress. i stopped him and he said, oh, we don't gather one by themselves. we wait for groups of 10 or 12, that is the policy. yet the genesis of a problem. the single came through. i asked how often and he said, night and day. the other point i would like to raise is we need education about what constitutes the rio grande valley. where 75% hispanic. we are undereducated. changes are coming that are slow. tois also very easy for them disappear into the fabric work, raise your
children, the illegal and be perfectly anonymous and the rio grande valley. i spoke at the seabrook foundation for the world affairs council last week, and they were shocked to learn of these tracks. is other important factor between a 76 mile stretch from brownsville commission taxes, i believe there are in excess of seven bridges that cross. in a 76idges at least mile span. that means if you apportioned it out every 10 miles, there is a bridge. host: thank you for the call. guest: the caller makes an interesting point. these border communities are very close to one another. they are twin cities on both sides of u.s.-mexican side. byse are communities divided a borderline, but there's a lot of back and forth between them.
commerce, families that live on both sides of the border, people moving back constantly. it is a complicated reality. also in the rio grande valley. when you go there, you are in this world of mexico and the united states where things are so closely related that you can't really separate the two other than say, here's the border. people rely on each other, depend on each other. it is a complicated reality. host: give me your tired, poor, teeming masses yearning to be free. do not subscribe to this anymore? and in an e-mail -- guest: well, on this last point, the dream act.
people -- i have to be honest. when you visit the poor committees like i did two weeks ago, the capital of honduras, people are poor and living without a lot of economic opportunity. they're not really thinking about the dream act and legislation and the u.s. legislation. they hear rumors. they hear u.s. laws are changing, that maybe the u.s. is going to reform its immigration laws. and that sort of is enough for them to have hope that things will go well. but there is -- this is not an area where people are expecting the legislation of the united states. they're not thinking about these different proposals and their prospects in congress. i do think it is more at the level of manipulation by the traffickers that suggests, now is your opportunity. host: is it even feasible to
close the border between mexico and honduras or mexico and guatemala? guest: it is not at all feasible. i think people have the notion that you could close that border. listen, as i said earlier, the u.s. spends $18 billion year to protect its border and we have not closed one border. to think mexico and guatemala are going to do the same is not realistic in the least. neither of the countries want to do that. they depend on each other. there is enormous amount of labor that flows between guatemala and southern mexico. mexicans to -- depend on them for the mystic labor. this notion that somehow the border between mexico and guatemala is going to be closed down is not very realistic. host: simi valley, california. good morning. caller: i believe the united states bears jury met -- direct responsibility because of our connection to illegal drugs. the million's of dollars that go
down to these countries and corrupt the government, the military and police forces, and create a tremendous amount of violence is our is possible to because of our addiction to drugs. i would tend to agree to some extent with what the caller said. there's no question that part of what is going on in that region has to do with our demand for drugs in the united states. where the largest market, consumer market of consumer drugs. cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin , coming to those areas. it is had a profound affect. not only on the people in that region, but the money that comes people, weakens government, infiltrates the banking system, all those things. host: our last call, new york city. caller: i'm wondering how much our trade policies, nafta and
cap to, have brought about this increase in immigration from central america and mexico? we stay have a trade surplus bought thehere we agricultural products and they bought our manufacturing goods. now we sit down and factories down there and we threw the mid to low wage factory jobs, so they're forced to come up here for employment. guest: well, central america still benefits from some provisions that gives them preferential treatment when it comes to textiles, clothing, and that sort of thing. there is enormous concern that that might end in the near future, and it will lose a lot of jobs. benefit from protected status on certain industries and certain products. and i think that is an important thing to keep jobs and create jobs in those countries. follow-up, are
the trafficker gains paid for the services? guest: they're paid for their services. worse than that, i will give an example, you might give them $2000 to take your child, brother, whatever up to the united states. along the way sometimes, they begin to extort you. where is your family in chicago? where's her family in houston? they will start to say, if you want your child free, semi-another $500. sometimes they're forced to carry drugs as well. network thatlow also extorts and also carries drugs. it doesn't happen in every case, but it is happening. host: eric olson of the wilson center, thank you for explaining what is a complicated and growing situation. we appreciate your time. we will continue the conversation as we do everyday at 7:00 a.m. eastern time, 4:00 on the west coast.
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coming up today, "newsmakers" with john thune. the first meeting between negotiators over legislation dealing with the then jeh johnson with what the federal government is a with the recent influx about immigrant children along the u.s. mexico border. on "newsmakers", senator john thune, the chair of the republican conference. in studio, or just everett with cq roll call. the first question. you are a member of the finance committee. there has been talk with the highway trust fund going to reach a