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made sure to buy his wife a dozen roses. as he boarded the plane captain ofard reminded his team their commitment to defend the country and they responded with a rousing rendition of " the star-spangled banner." they are there now making us. -- proud. officers public health chosen for this mission, not a single one declined. they all stepped forward. that with all the headlines and all the news, people are scared. i know ebola is concerning. but the reason i am so proud of whencountry is because,
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there are times we need to step up and do the right thing, we do the right thing. that's who we are. that's what we do. no other nation is doing as much to help in west africa as the united states of america. when i hear people talking about american leadership, and then promoting policies that would have usadership and running in the opposite direction, hiding under the little-- it makes me a frustrated. are at our best when we are standing up and taking responsibility, even when it requires us making sacrifices. especially when it requires is making sacrifices. it is how we help others around
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the world that is important. it is not just massive to women's of troops and equipment -- deployments of troops and equipment, as proud as we are of that. compassion and painstaking effort. learn fromlity to mistakes that are made, and our ability to work through problems that are really complicated. through.e something and not lose our heads. to have grace under pressure. and apply ourselves with slow, the kind that change and progress re quires. that is what i want to see from always stepsn that
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up and gets the job done. america has never been defined by fear. we are defined by courage, passion, hope, selflessness, sacrifice, and a willingness to take on challenges when others cannot and will not. ordinary americans who risk their safety to help those in others, inspire thereby all in the constant pursuit of building a better world. not just for ourselves, but for people in every corner of the earth. that is how i know we will manage to contain the disease in america, with the heroes just like the ones here today. that's how i know we will fight this disease's spread, as more doctors and nurses and technicians and health professionals join the effort. that's how i know ultimately we will end the outbreak in west africa and eliminate the threat it poses to the world. that's how i know that we will
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not only save tens of thousands, potentially hundreds lsothousands of lives, but a how i know that we will remain true to our ideals and our values. those on notice who think that we should hide from these problems. that's not who we are. that's not who i am. that's not who these folks are. this is america. we do things differently. thank you. god bless you. god bless the united states of america. [applause]
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[captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] >> defense secretary chuck hagel announced today that military personnel returning from west africa will be quarantined for 21 days. announcement's came this morning during the washington ideas forum. >> let's start with one bit of news. the ebola order you signed today. tell us what that significance is. >> what i signed this morning was a memorandum to the chairman and joint chiefs of staff in response to the memorandum, a recommendation i received from the chairman and chief yesterday to go forward with a policy of essentially 21 day incubation
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for our men and women who would be returning from west africa. that policy was in place by the army of staff of the a few days ago for general williams and 10 of his associates, who are now back at their base in italy. what i said it was on this morning -- in response this morning was, within 15 days, live me the operationa specifics of how that would work, and we should review that policy within 45 days. the fact is, the military will have more americans in liberia than any other department. that is number one. areer two, our people younger. the cohorts are different. they are not volunteers.
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a policy thatso was discussed in great detail by the communities, by the families of our military men and women. they very much wanted a safety valve on this. that is essentially what the directive says. >> election day is one week from today. c-span is bringing you more than 100 debates from house, senate, and gubernatorial races across the country. aeck for schedule of debates and watch debates we already covered in our video library. you can follow us on twitter and facebook. was fromose debates new hampshire, where democratics under -- and senator jeanne shaheen is running for a second term.
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running against her is republican scott brown, who before running against research two years as u.s. editor -- senator from new hampshire. >> when the president doesn't thing right, i will support him. when he doesn't do something right, i will let him know. that is a huge difference. i voted with my party and the other side 50% in my career. that being said, as an independent senator i can do that. when we worked with the president on an insider trading bill i got it done. i worked with democrats. we were at the signing ceremony of the hiring veterans will -- bill. the arlington cemetery bill, i worked with democrats to make sure that our heroes were very buried properly. we were able to get it done. is an want somebody who independent problem solver and
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has a history of working with both sides, you can reference as the most bipartisan center in the senate, i'm your guy. >> you want to respond? >> yes. my opponent talks a lot about that survey, but what he will not tell you is that the koch brothers are spending $2.6 million in new hampshire to support his campaign. i don't think that is because he will go down to washington and support small business areas i think it is because they know he will go to washington and continue to support subsidies to big oil companies. the five biggest oil companies last year made over $90 billion, and he wants to give them over $20 billion in subsidies. i don't think that is good for new hampshire. >> he is distorting a bill that not only senator ayotte voted against, but democrats voted against. my has her groups, i have groups, they are doing whatever they want.
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i am scott brown and i approve my message -- those are my messages. i have no control over any other messages. that said, we have an opportunity because the people of new hampshire are smarter. they understand that when senator shaheen went to washington, she changed, and is not focusing on small business. she has a zero rating. with respect, i have been here fighting for small businesses area that is why i have an a rating from the national federation and the united states chamber of commerce. >> the national federation of independent businesses as members here, and i appreciate what they do. but the fact is,'s support in so many other ways in this campaign -- they are funded by the koch brothers. we need somebody in washington who will really support our small businesses area that what i will continue to do. >> more debates this evening on seas.
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debates, and you can instantly share reactions to what candidates are saying. stay in touch and engaged by following us on twitter and liking us at face -- on facebook. >> the senate's second ranking democrat, dick durbin of illinois, is running for a fourth term. he recently debated his republican opponent jim oberweis. >> vote 2014, debate in the race for u.s. senate. ♪ for u.s.e to the race senator of illinois. tonight's debate presented by univision chicago, abc seven eyewitness news, and the league of women voters of illinois. candidates are u.s. senator dick durbin and mr. jim oberweis. politicalstions are
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reporter charles thomas, henrique rodriguez from univision chicago, and political analyst laura washington. your responses are limited to 60 seconds for each question and 30 seconds for the follow-up. you will have the opportunity to ask a question of each other. i will also allow time for a one minute opening and closing statement. by random draw tonight, we begin with senator durbin. >> my thanks to abc 7, univision, league of women voters. great to be with you again. a good political campaign really focuses on the future, and that is what we need to discuss this evening, primarily the future of working families across the state of illinois. we need to give them hope for the future. that means writing a tax code that will keep companies in america, and provide incentives for good companies to grow good paying jobs for families across illinois. secondly, we need to give every family the peace of mind of affordable quality health care
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coverage. we know now that 7.2 million people across america benefit from obamacare, as some call it, and we want to make sure those in illinois have an opportunity for peace of mind. we have to make sure future generations have a chance to succeed. that's why i favor renegotiating college student loans so students with lower interest rates are able to pay off loans sooner and get on with a good, productive life. together we can make a stronger working class in the middle -- in illinois. >> the senator will be talking about a range of issues, equal pay for equal work -- he will avoid talking about his failed economic record, and i want to keep calling attention to that. he is a 32-year career politician, spending 32 years in
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washington. he is a very smooth talker, much more than i could be. but why isn't -- why does the average illinois family today earn $5,000 less than the last time he ran for reelection? worst experiencing the economic recovery in the history of this nation? why are so many kids trapped in failing schools? i will look at a way of how to create more jobs and better paying jobs, a way to help give kids better educations through better schools. and the opportunity to discuss these issues -- i'm looking forward to that very soon. thank you. >> i would like to start with a question about washington gridlock. bipartisanship has become a dirty word in washington. norm.ction has become the less than 30% of americans think this country is heading in the right direction. gallup says it has never measured a lower level of trust in the federal government.
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mr. oberweis, if you go to washington how could you change that? >> first of all, i spent two years now serving the illinois senate, and if you ask my colleagues you will find that i tried very hard to work with the other side. i have not deviated from my principles. i received a 100% rating from the american conservative union for my voting record and from the small business group. i stayed with my principles, but i have been able to work with the other side. we are able to pass legislation to increase the speed limit on illinois highways to 70 miles an hour, a bill that was defeated four times in a row. i was told it had no chance of passing. but by sitting with colleagues and talking logically about the bill and getting them to work with us on a bipartisan basis we were able to get it passed. while i will not, as my principles, i will make -- compromise my principles, i will make every effort. ronald reagan entered the meal had -- and tip o'neill had very
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different positions, but they worked together to solve problems. that is what i will try to do. >> mr. durbin, you have been in washington for 32 years. what would you say to voters who say you are part of the problem? >> my experience in the senate has helped illinois. bringing good paying jobs to our state. it is no accident that we are now receiving a larger share of funds for highway trust fund expenditures for roads and bridges and mass transit. i use my position in the senate to bring federal dollars home . it is no accident illinois won the national competition for digital manufacturing. it will create 75,000 good paying manufacturing jobs in the near term. we are engaging the whole state in the effort. that time in washington resulted in better results for families across illinois. let me add, i did not receive any -- achieve any of these
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without bipartisan cooperation. senator john mccain was my partner on immigration reform. senator lamar alexander. i work with republicans, and i get results. >> follow-up question. the senate could change hands in the midterm election, meaning the gop would control the house and senate. how would that control -- change landscape? >> that is a great opportunity. if that happens we will have a real opportunity to pass the 380 bills that have been dropped by senator durbin and senator reid. congress can then pass the bills, and the president can approve them if he likes them or veto them. it means we would be forced to work with the president going forward to get the best legislation. i truly believe that bipartisan legislation is the best legislation we can pass, and we will work to make that happen. >> we work together on a bipartisan basis to create a
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bipartisan reform bill that passed by 68 votes in the senate. we sent it to the house of representatives and they refused to even call the bill. it took them three years to call a bipartisan farm bill, which every group in illinois supported. we signed legislation that helps small businesses. bottled up again by the tea party in the house of representatives. >> we will go for a question and a follow-up. >> we are going to talk a lot tonight about the possibility of a republican-controlled house -- senate, i'm sorry, because that would, i think, affect how each of you might legislate if you should be elected. particularly to you, senator. as the republican controlled house repeatedly votes to repeal the affordable care act, what will be your strategy as a leader in the senate to defend obamacare, particularly if your
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party should lose the majority? >> let me say that i voted for the affordable and i believe it was an important vote. almost 700,000 people in illinois now have health insurance in the first year. it is bringing down the rate of growth in health care costs. the house of representatives has voted 54 times to repeal obama care. it's not going to work. if they want to sit down and work to make it a better built, i'm willing to do that, and we should do that. we should do it on a bipartisan basis. that is the way to move forward. for the record, any repeal of obamacare will never get through the white house with this president, and it takes 67 votes to override a veto. it is an opportunity for us to work together to make it a stronger bill. i do not favor repealing obama care i would not want to impose additional costs on senior
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citizens and exclude 125,000 young people in illinois from the health-care coverage of their families. >> how would you vote on repeating -- repealing obamacare if such a bill makes it to the senate floor? >> i think there are some good things about obamacare. keeping young adults on their parents policies until age 26 makes a lot of sense. pastng a way to get pre-existing conditions makes a lot of sense. it is important we make it possible to buy insurance across state lines, because that will help ring down the cost of medical care. this was rammed through my democrats without one single republican vote. i believe very strongly in bipartisan legislation and working with the other side. i would like to see a combination to repeal and replace at the same time the obamacare plan with a plan that would cover more people and provide better coverage, but with more choice. the senator said on the floor of yourenate, if you like
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health care plan you can keep your health care plan, i guarantee it. those are his words. that did not turn out to be a very good guarantee. >> give us a thumbnail, then, of how you would replace obamacare? what would you suggest would be the way to do that? >> i believe we ought to allow the free market to offer plans across state lines. we can bring down the cost of health care by avoiding frivolous lawsuits and allowing the reimportation of american-made drugs from other countries to help bring down costs, and make a plan that will be available to the free market without the government telling us, this is the plan you must buy. there should be greater choice, and people should have the opportunity to choose their health care plan rather than having the government tell us what health care plan we can buy. >> you have spoken about how republicans have threatened or use the filibuster. could you envision the democrats using the filibuster as frequently as republicans?
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should the democrats and up in the minority? >> i surely hope it never comes up to that. we have seen a gross abuse of the filibuster. over 130 times in the last year. we need to work constructively. --called it the free market you know what he said in the previous campaign? you wants to eliminate prayer -- employer-provided health insurance. half the people in illinois get health insurance through the place they work. mr. oberweis says, let's make this a free market and turn us to the loving arms of health insurers. that is no guarantee. >> our next question comes from laura washington. >> mr. oberweis, during the campaign there was a controversy about your wife, who lives full-time in florida. there have been allegations you used that status to dodge taxes. are you dodging taxes?
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>> absolutely not. i am one of the top illinois taxpayers. , and i support women thought the democrats did ,too, who make choices to have jobs on their own and live lives on their own. it works for us. she lives six months of the year in florida and has a life down there, and i visit whenever i possibly can. but i don't think we need to tell her that she is not allowed to do that. my tax bill went up when she made that decision. in the few seconds i have not -- left, i need to go back to the falsehood my opponent raised when he said i wanted to eliminate health care for the workforce. all i said was that i want to equalize it. if companies have did actions for it, individuals should have deductions for it. if we have a plan that is covering all people, which would be our goal to make sure everyone is covered, everybody
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has access to good health care, it does not have to be only through the workplace. >> senator durbin -- >> i still don't understand. in the year 2010 my opponent decided to give up his permanent residency in the state of illinois for tax purposes. illinoisd the state of until that point, and since then according to the channel five investigation he has no permanent home for tax purposes in illinois. when act by the sun-times, he said he did it for tax it manages. he may be the first illinois state senator on record who claims a residency to run for the state senate but claims a residency in florida for tax purposes. he may have set a new standard here. for the record, i live in the same home in springfield, illinois that i have lived in since i first announced my candidacy for public office. >> mr. oberweis, you are getting a tax advantage with this
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situation with your residency. you might be supporting your wife, but you are also getting a break on taxes, aren't you? >> that is another falsehood. the senator apparently does not understand the laws of this state. if my wife has a home in another state or anywhere and claims that for a homestead exemption i am no longer allowed to have homestead exemption in my home. i have lived in the same home for 37 years. three of my five children live within just a few miles of our home. i don't intend to ever leave at home. for him to say i'm not an illinois resident is absolutely ludicrous. >> laura? >> i still don't hear you clearly in terms of, for example, you said your taxes have gone down. have you released your full tax return? can you give us the figures? >> yes, i released my state of illinois and federal taxes, including the schedules. i believe i paid approximately $55,000 in illinois taxes.
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when i lost my illinois exemption, my illinois tax bill went up, not down. >> we need to go to mr. durbin for a response. >> i don't get it. if i'm wrong in anything i said, it is because i quoted him. he told the "sometimes" that i did this because of tax advantages in florida. maybe he can explain that. if you will pay more in taxes, why did you give up residency in illinois? home in sugarim a grove, and then gave it up in 2010. the only permanent residency claimed by his family is in florida, at a penthouse condo in bonita springs. i don't know why anyone who aspires to be the senator of illinois has to declare a residency in florida for tax purposes. that does not make any sense to me. >> the question number four is from henrique rodriguez. >> thank you. that evening to both of you. let's talk about immigration.
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the immigration policy center says recent studies demonstrate that the higher earnings of legal workers produce more tax revenue, more consumer buying power, and more jobs, yet the federal government has failed to pass conference of immigration reform. there are over 2 million undocumented immigrants. many of them with u.s.-born children and technical immigration violations who have been deported. senator durbin, if you are elected, how do we know this time around you will be successful, considering there is a good probability the republicans might take control of the senate? >> it is true that house republicans has stopped copper hands of immigration -- have stopped copper and save immigration reform. it is also true that it will drop our national debt. if 11 million people become registered, work in america, pay
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taxes in america, learn english, buy homes, start businesses, we will see a lot more economic activity and people will be treated more fairly. i don't know why the republican party refuses immigration reform or even to call it. our bill was supported by the chamber of commerce and the afl-cio. business and labor both supported it, and they both knew that it was good for america. my opponent comes up with the word "amnesty" on this. whenever you hear a politician use that word, it is clear they will not vote for immigration reform. this is not amnesty. latinosberweis, many have in the back of their mind the commercial you aired 10 years ago talking about how illegal immigration takes everybody else's jobs. having said that, why should latinos vote for you when you do
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not support immigration reform? >> i believe strongly in supporting immigrants and legal immigration. i do not believe it is fair to give advantages or move people ahead of those who applied properly for immigration in this country. i understand people are looking for the american dream. our country is formed by immigrants. immigrants are generally risktakers who are entrepreneurial types, and i can identify with those types of people. but it is important we do it in a way that follows our laws. -- the senator is very smooth, no question about it. but democrats had total control of congress for two years and yet did not pass immigration reform. i truly believe the voters of illinois -- if they send me to washington i have a much better chance of passing immigration reform because i can bring the sides together in the middle instead of an extreme position
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like senator durbin's. >> you were critical in passing the dream act. however, it does not grant a path to citizenship. what would you do this time around? this time around, what would you do differently? >> the dream act was included in immigration reform, a path to citizenship, a better path. my opponent has changed his position and says he now supports the dream act, which i introduced 13 years ago. i thank you for that. i hope more republicans will do that. but when he says this immigration reform puts these new people in front of the line, he has not read the bill. they have to wait 10 years before they get a green card, and then go to the back of the line for citizenship. the earliest possible time is 13 years before citizenship. >> mr. oberweis, many at home i be wondering, now that you support the dream act, does it really make sense --
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>> understand this. in this country we generally don't believe in penalizing kids for mistakes the parents made. that's why i support citizenship for kids who came here at a young age and have grown up and become part of our culture. when it comes to parents, we don't want to break up families, and i believe that we can nonimmigrantwith a visa that will allow them to stay in the company legally and -- country legally, return home and come back, all legally. that is a reasonable middle ground that i can bring people together on. >> our next question is from charles thomas. this is youris, third run for the u.s. senate. the two previous campaigns fail. you have run for governor and congress unsuccessfully. a seat in seat -- won the state senate two years ago,
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but already you are running for u.s. senate having not served a full senate term. statewide illinois voters have rejected he repeatedly. what is new or different about jim oberweis now that makes you think you could win and serve? >> first of all, let me point out that in all the races i have run, and i have won half the races i have run if you cap primaries and general, i never came below second. that's when we had five candidates, nine candidates. so voters have continued to support me at different levels. as an entrepreneur, i make mistakes, and i admitted i made mistakes. but entrepreneurs not only make mistakes, they learn from them and do better. >> so what have you learned? >> i learned it is very important to carefully communicate your positions, because people like senator durbin are much smoother talkers, and they will distort those positions, just like he
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has attempted to do with my home that i lived in for 37 years and never said it is not my permanent address. but under the law i had to allow only one home exemption, so it is not a homestead exemption. it is still my permanent address, regardless of what the senator said. he can smooth talk things, but he will never change the facts. >> what do you think about some might be anthis easy campaign? >> i take every campaign very seriously. i have lost a few campaigns on my path to the house of representatives and senate. i respect all the step forward to be a candidate, including my opponent. but something is new -- the tea party, the tea party that is wrecking capitol hill, and my opponent has embraced it. in crystal lake this year he was at a tea party rally saying, i want the tea party to take over the illinois republican party. the illinois republican party has a proud history.
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this chapter of the tea party is one they need to put behind them. they need to be constructive and conservative, and the tea party is neither. it is not constructive, and it is extreme. my opponent has embraced those positions. he seems to change his spots in each campaign. i don't think that makes him more appealing to voters. we are looking for someone dedicated to helping working families in the state move forward. my opponent will not do that. >> mr. oberweis, have you embraced the tea party? disgustedsolutely that the senator would use that type of language. here is a situation where we have a senator involved in the middle of the irs scandal -- >> what about the tea party? >> i am coming to that, please. at the center of the irs scandal, to attack political opponents such as tea party groups. it is totally disgusting he would do that, and he used his own words six years ago to talk
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about people who use complaints against their opponent. as far as the tea party goes, yes, this is a group that ones -- wants less government. >> time. mr. durbin? >> april 16, daily herald. they reported, this crystal lake rally where jim oberweis stood up after the crowd booed one of the statewide republican candidates he is running with and the incumbent republican senator. he said, it is time for the tea party to take over the illinois republican party. perhaps when he was giving away ice cream cones at the tea party golf tournament in 2013. he seems very comfortable with the tea party until he has to answer for their positions in these debates. >> did you say the illinois tea party should take over the republican party? >> here is what i said. people were complaining to me that they did not have a voice in the illinois republican party
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and were disgusted with the illinois republican party. i suggested to them, become a party. if your views are more widespread than those of other organized republicans, you will take over the republican party and become the republican party. and i stand by that 100%. i say to people, get involved. don't complain about things. get involved, be committed, work, and if you are good enough you can take over the party. so be it. >> mr. durbin? >> the record is clear. i will stick with the democratic party. but what is happening with the tea party and washington should be an indicator to people across illinois. this tea party faction is taking extreme positions on issue after issue. they want to eliminate the mass transit subsidy and federal law. you know what that would mean for us in the chicago area, where we depend on mass transit so much to make sure we don't have more highway congestion? just one demonstration of the extreme positions they take.
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my opponent seems to embrace them when the cameras are in the room, but now he has second thoughts. >> annexed question from laura washington. >> senator durbin, i would like to talk about the veterans administration. did you know the v.a. was plagued by miss management -- mismanagement? should the vab dismantled? if not, what reforms would adequately serve veterans needs? >> we have a new leader in the v.a. from arlington heights, a successful businessman. the fundamental problem, 45% of veterans who served in iraq and afghanistan have come home with disability claims, double the number we usually see in conflicts. add to that those who were exposed to agent orange, gulf war syndrome, and the folks who have ptsd from previous conflicts. we found the v.a. was overwhelmed. we have got to do better. we joined on a bipartisan basis to say, if you are too far away from ava facility you can go to
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a hospital near you and bill the v.a., and that is at least a temporary approach to solving the problem. but whether we are talking about illinois or across the nation, the v.a. has a new challenge. we have to keep our promise to veterans. if you risk your life for america, when you, we will -- when you come home we will stand by you. >> mr. oberweis? >> are veterans risked their lives. we owed them a deep debt of gratitude. mr. durbin said just two years ago that the v.a. hospitals are an example of how we should be operating. that was before the scandal came out and we found that people were falsifying records. now he takes a different position. he likes to talk about the veterans, but this is the same senator who talked about a comparison of our military with pol pot. this shows a total disregard for those who risk their lives for
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our country. i believe if v.a. hospitals are doing a good job, we ought to continue to do that. but if they are not our veterans ought to have good access to health care on a convenient basis. >> what i would like to hear from both of you is specifics. right now more than a quarter of veterans in the country are homeless. many are homeless because they have not gotten adequate services. senator, going forward what reforms, what new programs and new initiatives would you push for to address the situation? >> last week i joined the mayor on the southside of chicago. two was opened, residences for many homeless resourcesho have the to be safe and counseling they need. we know why many veterans are homeless. and ad to give them help
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safe, clean place to live. i support that. we need to continue to move on homeless veterans, and i will do everything i can. >> so if you go to the senate -- we are talking about big money, additional funds. >> i can tell you, president obama over the last five years has reduced the homeless veteran population by a third. we will not be satisfied until it is reduced to zero. mayor emanuel has said that in two years we want the city of chicago do not have a single homeless veteran on the street. i support him, and i will do everything i can to help him. >> mr. oberweis? >> all of us want to make sure our veterans are taken care of. yet here is mr. durbin, in washington for 32 years. he has not fixed the problem yet. think heat makes us will do it in the future? the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. >> what would you do if, what would you propose specifically?
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>> senator durbin is free to throw around taxpayer money at will. let me tell you what i have done. i have used my own dollars and i have gone to mexico, for example, to help build homes for the homeless. we can do that in the united states for approximately $10,000 a home. a friend of mine started a not-for-profit that does that. my wife went with me, my daughter and granddaughter's have gone with me. if we get private citizens involved we can do much more. >> you think this is a private problem and you would not recommend additional federal funding? >> i did not say that. i said we have got to fix the problem. i would like to see what we can do privately first, but i would support the government stepping in when necessary. >> 60% of americans are in a state where two men and two women can legally marry, and the supreme court rejected appeals
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from states trying to uphold a gay marriage ban. would you support a federal law that permits same-sex marriage? so yes or no, and say why. mr. oberweis? >> i think that is well-established. the court has said it is approved and there is no arguing about it any longer, so at this point i would say yes. >> so you would support a federal law that makes legal marriage -- >> i would prefer to see a determined by the states, but i think we are past that stage. quite mr. durbin? marriage equality is something i support. my opponent announced his candidacy at a rally against marriage equality. we have reached a point where we think loving couples should be able to marry in every state. historically it has been a matter of state definition as to marriage, and now we're finding the courts have said there are constitutional principles here that rule against states that
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don't allow it. we now have 30 states with marriage equality, including illinois. i want to see us moving to all states. i think a federal standard is not unreasonable. i would support it. >> president obama recently said he believes the equal protection clause of the constitution guarantees same-sex marriage without a federal mandate. mr. oberweis, your view on that? >> may i please go back? we did not get a chance for a rebuttal once again the senator was loose with facts when he said i announced my candidacy of some rally. he continues to throw those facts out there. >> you did vote against the illinois marriage of quality act? >> i did. as a state issue. i was raised catholic and i believe in traditional marriage, but if it is law i support the law. i support the constitution. >> you believe on a state level, you look at it differently than at the federal level?
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>> i said that time has passed, and that is the law and i will uphold the law of the land. >> equal protection? >> i believe the standard is the right standard. that is what courts are using time and again to knock down laws that prohibit marriage equality. i also believe that when it comes to this issue we have to do more as elected officials to ask for acceptance and tolerance in this country, going after any going after hispanics or african-americans or people of different orientation. that's not what america is about. i -- even the bill he voted against. >> thank you. we have reached the point in the program, gentlemen, where you each have the opportunity to question the other. mr. oberweis, the first question is yours. >> the senator says he supports women.
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but he pays women 11% less in his office. he has refused to return $38,000 of campaign contributions linked to the worst case of sexual harassment in u.s. history. he has not released an internal investigation into the abuse alleged against women in his office by his own chief of staff, who he called a close friend. senator, i would like to ask if you will release that interim report that was generated so that we know it is not a whitewash? >> there was no allegation of sexual harassment by the employee involved either during the time she worked for us -- she left and came back in our employment. nor has she made the allegation since. we took a look very seriously. when i heard about things that were alleged, we set new standards in the office and every employee, men and women, knew the -- what the standards are. my chief of staff in chicago is a latina woman who does an
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extraordinarily good job. we have in the top 10 paid positions in our office, six of them filled by women. on average women on our staff make $4000 more a year than the men. tell me about oberweis. tell me how many women are working there, and how many women are working there and what you are paying them. tell me about oberweis security. each time he throws another charge at me to avoid facing the music and telling the voters of this state the record of his own office. take a look at his record on women's issues. he voted against the equal rights amendment. in the 21st century, you still oppose the equal rights amendment? jim oberweis, what are you thinking? >> your rebuttal? >> once again, he is very smooth and he will try to diver the issue. yes or no, will you release the report? we would like to see it so we know you are not whitewashing
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this issue. again, you disregard the facts. i have told you that the highest-paid individual at oberweis asset management who is not a member of the family is a woman. at oberweis dairy, four out of the five top managers were women at one point while i was involved. i'm no longer involved in running either company. they are run by family members. but we always had a policy of supporting women within our businesses. >> mr. durbin, now you can ask a question of mr. oberweis. toyou will have a chance vote on important issues in illinois. let me bring three or four of them to your attention. first, a chance to increase the minimum wage to $10 an hour. i'm voting yes. second, a proposition on the ballot to raise income taxes on individuals like yourself to provide more money for our schools. i'm voting yes. then we are going to have a provision that says that no
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employer can dictate to a woman whether her health insurance includes birth control. i'm voting yes to make sure that does not happen. i am voting yes on all three. how are you voting? >> mr. over vice -- oberweis? >> the senator does it one more time, trying to divert the issue. those issues are totally irrelevant, meaningless, advisory. the issue that would have carried the weight of law would have provided term limits and allowed the voters of illinois to make a constitutional amendment that would have limited servants and springfield -- in spring field to eight years. that is something a majority of illinois wants, yet the democrats managed to pull that off the ballot and not allow us to vote on that. i believe that there has been a political process to energize the democrat base to come out and vote for the issues that are totally meaningless. i would like to vote on issues that really make a difference.
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i'm sure we will have a chance to talk about minimum wage. i proposed a bill that makes all kinds of sense, that was a compromise bill that would provide a higher minimum wage of $10 an hour in illinois for those aged 26 and older. >> rebuttal, please? >> my opponent like to talk about the rights of women. she not only voted against putting this referendum on the ballot, where we can speak as a state about whether women ought to have the last word when it comes to birth control. when the hobby lobby decision came out, you could not wait to tweets to the world how happy you were that they took away the rights of women and their families to have access to birth control in our state. i think that is wrong. we have to respect the rights of women. you have not done that. utah me now you will not even vote for it. >> our next question is for mr. rodriguez. >> i'm assuming education is
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important to you, right? to both of you. so hopefully you can give me a specific answer for the problem -- following question. univision chicago is offering a fellowship to eight latino students, who are here tonight. as you can imagine, they are extremely concerned. trillion dollars in student debt. they want to know what you would do in the future to pressure universities to make education more affordable. what would you do this time around? >> i would support the suggestion at loyola, that university should not receive program funds until students completed the course. that makes the university involved in making sure a student does not drop out before they receive the money. secondly, i would go after for-profit colleges and universities. they take 10% of students out of high school and account for 46% of student loan defaults. i was in touch with the
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administration today talking about policing that sector of higher education even more closely. third, i support renegotiating student loans at lower interest rates. on average it would save students and families that have student that in illinois, the 1.7 million of them, would save up to $2000 per family. we now have a terrible situation. students are too deeply in debt and their lives are changing as a consequence. >> mr. oberweis, you are a former teacher. what would your strategy be? >> students are paying too high interest on their loans. i support refinancing. but let's face it, the high interest rates are set by senator durbin and his administration in washington. he has been there for 32 years. >> what would you do? >> we should lower interest rates so they are competitive. we should allow private colleges and universities to compete with public universities, because competition provides better
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educational opportunity. if they have a higher loan default rate, tighten the standards. but don't put universities out of business. i support greater use of technology, such as learning over the web, taking advantage of the very best teachers to teach my students. it would provide a way to bring down some of the cost of education. we need to move in those directions. >> from laura washington -- >> to mr. oberweis. voters say they are turned off by negative and misleading ads in the campaign. >> thank you. >> what i will ask you about some of your ads. in one, you accuse your opponent citizens, putting millions in his own pocket, and being the father of d.c. gridlock. what is the basis? >> public documents show mr. durbin has received over $9 million of lobbyist money. clearly that has influenced some votes in legislation.
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my family business happens to be ice cream. family business is lobbying and the sale of influence. that is bad for a country. when you have citizen legislators like myself, we will vote in ways that are good for our country and our state. career politicians like dick durbin will say anything if you think it will get him votes. we have to have term limits so we have citizen legislators serving for a limited time so they vote in ways that are good for our country, not career politicians who will vote in ways that they think helps themselves get reelected. >> so you say he has received lobbyist funds, going to his campaign fund? the ad implies they're going into his pocket. millionceived over $9 in his campaign fund -- >> but that is not going into his pocket. >> he has become a multimillionaire at taxpayer expense. >> i would like to give you a chance to respond, but also
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point out the you have run , and if both of you are willing to pledge as of tomorrow to drop negative ads for the rest of the campaign. >> of course. i would like to see this end as quickly as possible. i did not run my first negative ad until mr. oberweis opened with almost $1 million of negative advertising. to pull negative ads, you can bet mine will be gone tomorrow. >> will you do that tomorrow? >> i am ready. >> mr. durbin has been four times as much money as i have. his excuse will be that he pulled his negative ads, but he has a super pac called heartland progress -- >> would you agree to pull your personal negative ads if he agrees to do the same thing? >> i would change our ads to be positive, but it has to be equal. that is not the case. senator durbin would be using super pac's --
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>> you are both willing to agree to stop running negative ads that your campaign is financing? >> i will make that pledge. he talks about my super pac's. one businessman has now spent more than $1 million in negative advertising against him in support of his candidacy. this is what citizens united has brought us. it was a terrible decision. i support a new constitutional amendment to end it. >> one last comment from mr. oberweis. a a pac i don't even have connection with rent and at. and another major donor is supplying your campaign with contributions over a time. it makes all the difference in the world. a closer relationship between you and the democrats party. >> so tomorrow we will not see any negative asked mother side? >> i think we know that is not realistic. it takes time to submit changes.
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we don't have the money to produce other ads that senator durbin has. >> senator durbin, african-americans have supported you by overwhelming majorities statewideree previous elections. given chronic unemployment, homelessness, crime, and underperforming schools in the black community, why should african-americans continue to vote for you? >> this has been an interesting issue in this campaign. not just senatorial, but the gubernatorial race. opponents thatmy they are making inroads in the south side of chicago. i don't take any vote for granted. i work hard to earn votes. but i find it hard to understand how my opponent can appear before these african-american churches and tell them he feels their pain but opposes raising the minimum wage that they need to feed their kids. i find it hard to imagine how he can say he is against gun violence when his position is
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unique in this race. he opposes universal background checks to keep guns out of the hands of convicted drug gangs and thugs. i find it impossible to understand how he can call for whenepeal of obamacare 700,000 people in illinois, in these churches, are calling on obamacare for basic insurance. these are issues i have worked on in the african-american community, and i will in the future. >> how do you respond to suggestions that you are maybe buying these african-american supporters? >> simply, i am not. that has not happened. i have had some people indicate that they could support our campaign is we made -- kind of these. we are not doing that. ye have reverend ira ackle here. you will find out why he is supporting us. i understand how to create jobs. senator durbin has not created
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private sector jobs. i understand what it will take. secondly, education. we have to have better education for our kids. schooldo that through choice. senator durbin killed a wonderful pilot program that was helping minority kids. when people on the south side here that story, that is one of the reasons they are supporting me over senator durbin. it is critical that we get the opportunity. there is a great example, on the south side of chicago, we had chicago public schools and ibm working to supplement funding and providing them with a $40,000 a 20,000 -- year starting salary when they graduate after high school. >> let's talk about the minimum wage. 25%istics show level. that is a big problem.
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mr. oberweis, you will probably need the latino vote and african-american vote to win this election. why doesn't it make sense for you to support the minimum wage increase to $10.10 an hour. >> i support that and i do say that and sponsored legislation in springfield to increase the wage to $10 the next three years. >> you say you support $10 an hour for people over 26 years old? >> yes. let me explain why. the fact of the matter is senator durbin's bill he supports, according to the congressional budget office, a bipartisan group in washington indicates that would kill between 500,000 and a million jobs in this country. my bill on the other hand has the advantage of providing a higher wage for those who are 26 and older who then have to begin paying for their own insurance. but at the same time, it would not prevent teenagers and young adults from getting entry level jobs to earn the skills so they
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can go on to better paying jobs. it has the best of both worlds. it has not the job killing factors senator durbin's bill does but has a higher wage for those workers with a little experience. >> senator durbin the congressional budget report, mr. oberweis is right about that, how can you assure raising the minimum wage to $10.10 won't eliminate between half a million to a million jobs? >> i don't agree with their conclusions. they say 900,000 people will come out of poverty. i think the oberweis bill may be the single worst idea in this campaign. no increase in the minimum wage if you hab to -- happen to be a college student working your way through school, no increase in minimum wage if you're under 26 and a single mom raising a baby, no increase if you're 26 and just came out of serving our military as a veteran. this is the single worst idea i've heard and he embraces it every time we get together. we have to make sure people get a decent wage and if they work 40 hours a week, they shouldn't
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live in poverty in america. i believe a minimum wage will build our economy because those workers plow the money right back in the economy buying goods and services that create more economic activity, more profits and jobs and businesses across america. i believe you build the american economy from the bottom up not for tax rates for the wealthy from the top down. >> and your response to the country's response to ebola has enough been done to keep american citizens safe? mr. durbin? >> kathy, i had a conversation in the last few days with the head of the c.d.c. and usaid. they're hard at work to stop ebola at its source in west africa. that could be the end of the problem and has to be our goal. meanwhile, we have to keep america safe and what we're doing in the hospitals is reviewing all the hospitals and efforts and all the equipment and materials to make sure we're ready, god forbid, any one of these cases shows up. we're checking at o'hare and in airports across the country to see if people have a fever when
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they arrive in this country and if they are, they are examined and quarantined if necessary. those are all steps in the right direction. what has created this problem and made it worse is the tea party and sequestration over the last 10 years has reduced american investment in medical research by 22%. we should be investing and finding cures for diseases in this country and the people who look at a budget and just see it as numbers and don't understand that medical research is really the key to protecting america, putting behind us alzheimer's and other diseases don't understand the value of some of these investments. >> mr. oberweis? >> look, our government has a duty to protect us not only from military threats but also health threats. we've been very slow to react. mr. durbin has been campaigning instead of dealing with this issue. we should have established limits on visas and flights to this country and gotten better education out.
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my own daughter is a nurse practitioner in aurora and talked to her day before yesterday about this issue and she serves in the emergency room where she's likely to face it if it happens in her own town. she says she's not gotten the training and education and support they need to get. we need our government to support us. this is one case where the government should be supporting us and failed to do so. i think we need to do much better, not in this case but going forward as well. i suggest mr. durbin continually talks about what it is, asking the president to do more and do it now. >> our final question goes to charles thomas. >> assault weapons banned. we'd like to hear if the positions of both of you, or each of you on a ban on assault weapons. senator? >> i support a ban on assault weapons. these are military weapons designed for one purpose, to kill other human beings in volume.
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and we've seen them misused. i've been out hunting. i've been out shooting ducks. if you need an ak-47 to shoot a deer or duck, you ought to stick to fishing. i think we ought to draw the line. the supreme court already told us we can draw the line at certain weapons that should not be sold in america. i think assault weapons should be in that category and yes, i would vote to ban assault weapons. >> mr. oberweis? >> i'll do everything possible to reduce violence in this country. that's why i've been standing out on the corner -- >> does that include banning assault weapons? >> may i finish the question? >> finish my answer, please. >> i've been standing on the corner of 79th and cottage grove to call attention to violence and will do what i can to help reduce violence in this country. the problem you're talking about is our own government did a study and came to the conclusion that assault weapons are not used in those crimes and did not reduce violence. however, having said that, as i said, i'll do everything i can. but i want to tell you a personal story and why i
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support second amendment rights. about 25 years ago, my sister-in-law was sitting in her family room and saw kids breaking into her home. she ran to her bedroom to close the door. these kids broke in anyway. they dragged her out and sat her down in the living room and put a gun to her head and shot her. i listened in court as one kid was telling the story against the other kid about what had happened. it was one of the most horrifying things i've ever heard and for that reason i support the second amendment thinking if she would have had a gun in her bedroom, she might have been alive today and protect herself as well. >> do you have a quick follow-up? >> that's a no, you do not support a ban -- >> it is a yes i would support it if there's an evidence it would reduce violence. so far the government said there is no such evidence. >> so you don't support a ban on assault weapons until the government -- >> i repeat, i will absolutely support a ban if there is evidence it would reduce violence. the evidence so far is it
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doesn't reduce violence. from the government. our own government. >> any response to that, senator? >> first, i'm sorry for the tragedy that you faced in your family. but second, 92% of americans believe that a universal background check to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons and drug gangs and out of the hands of mentally unstable people is the right thing to do. my opponent says it is not. overwhelmingly american people say there's no place for military assault rifles when it comes to hunting or even self-defense and yet my opponent will not bring himself to ban these weapons. yes, it may only save a few lives because more people are killed by handguns but let's save those lives by banning assault weapons. >> thank you very much, gentlemen, that brings to conclusion our question portion of this program. now we turn to your closing statements and mr. oberweis, we begin with you. >> thank you, kathy, and thanks to all our viewers for listening tonight. here are the facts. as i said from the very
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beginning, the senator is a much better speaker than i am. he is smooth. he's been in washington for 32 years. unfortunately, when somebody is in washington for 32 years, they lose touch with people in the streets. that's one of the things i've heard over and over again on the south side of chicago. they don't see dick durbin. he's not been there. he doesn't understand their problems today. he's not the same man he was 32 years ago when he first ran for congress. i think it is absolutely important that we have limits on how long people serve because the longer people are in washington, the more they're likely to vote for one regulation atop another regulation, hurting business in this country and making us less competitive with other countries. my goal will to be get our economy growing faster, 4% to 6% instead of the 1% to 2% so we create more jobs and opportunities for people. as we create more jobs, people have more money to spend on goods and that in itself creates faster economic growth and more job growth. that's what i offer. the senator offers more of the
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same. job killing economic environment and that has to change. >> mr. durbin, your closing statement? >> during my time in washington, i've commuted every week back home to illinois. the only permanent residence i've ever had is in the state of illinois, not in the state of florida. my wife and i are proud to be residents and voters in this state. let me tell you what i've heard when i come home, as i've traveled across the state for the time i've served in the united states senate, people, working families, want a fighting chance for their own future and future of their kids. i believe that means making certain that american companies say in america and pay their taxes rather than move jobs overseas. don't create incentives to take jobs out of this country. secondly, give those families the peace of mind of affordable health insurance. that's what we're working towards and something my opponent says he would repeal. that's a mistake. third, when it comes to college education, i wouldn't be standing here tonight if it wasn't for a government loan i took out to pay for my college education. i paid it back but the government gave me a chance.
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they loaned me the money and i think i ended up with a pretty good position in life. at least i'm honored to have it representing this great state in the united states senate. i want every working family in our state to have that same opportunity. >> mr. durbin, thank you. mr. oberweis, thank you. that concludes our debate tonight. on behalf of univision, chicago, abc 7 eyewitness news and the league of women voters, thank you for watching tonight. i'm kathy brock reminding you to vote on november 4. have a good night.
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year is from the fifth congressional district of louisiana where the republican advance mcallister was elected in a special election. in april of this year he said he would not seek a second term. after a newspaper posted video online showing the married congressman kissing a woman in his office. this summer he changed his mind and announced he is running for re-election. here's a look at some of the tv ads in louisiana's fifth district. >> life is filled with ups and downs. >> but a man's character is based on how many times he gets back up and stands again. >> i'm lucky to have been blessed with a great family and a wonderful christian wife. >> and i'm blessed to have a husband who owns up to his mistakes, never gives up, always fighting for the good people of louisiana. >> i'm vance mcallister. >> and i'm kelly mcallister. >> and we approve this message because some things are just worth fighting for. >> vance mcallister, conservative veteran, 100%
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louisiana. >> d.c. is broken and only getting worse. too many career politicians, broken promises and embarrassments. that's why we need harris brown, a proven conservative and job creator who knows the value of a hard day's work and won't rest until the job is done. in congress, harris will protect the promises for the greatest generation and ensure the american dream for those to come. it's time for real leaders, not politicians. >> i'm harris brown, a proud conservative and i approve this message. >> washington has let us down and the politicians have let us down and it's time to stick to it. >> i'm zach dasher and here's my plan. number one, we're going to repeal and replace obamacare with a plan that works and puts us in charge. number two, we're going to tap into our energy resources to create thousands of jobs for those in the fifth district and we'll secure our borders to protect our national sovereignty and tell the government we'll respect our christian values and god given liberties. this is the most important thing. i'm zach dasher and i approve
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this message. >> as we sat here this morning in this room, thousands of women and children across the border of the united states over the rio grande river. this is going on as we speak every day. where is border security? do we have a border? a country without a border is not a country. you can't do this in switzerland. and you try doing that, you'll be convicted. >> i'm ed tarpley and i approve this message. >> the georgia congressman is touring after two months in office. david perdue and michelle nunn, the daughter of the former senator nunp, debated along with a libertarian candidate. >> the 2014 atlanta press club, young debate series. brought to you live from georgia public broadcasting.
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the race for united states senate. >> good evening, i'm russ spencer, anchor for fox 5 juice in atlanta and we'd like to welcome you and our live studio audience to the atlanta press club loudermilk young debate series originating from the studios of georgia broadcasting. this is the debate for the candidates of u.s. senate. let's meet the candidates in alphabetical order, michelle nunn, the former c.e.o. and president of the points of light foundation. david perdue, the former c.e.o. of dollar general and reebok and amanda swafford is an attorney and former floury branch council woman. christina cassidy is a statehouse correspondent for the associated press. charles edwards is the assistant news director for 90.1, and daniel malloy is the washington, d.c. correspondent for the atlanta journal substitution. this debate will consist of three rounds and for more
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nformation on the rules, visit daniel malloy, you get the first question for david perdue. >> mr. perdue, you said the national debt and unfunded liabilities are the reasons you got in the race. two of the biggest drivers are medicare and social security. what specifically would you do about these programs if elected, should we raise the retirement age or get the private sector 1r068d in these programs? >> thank you, daniel. it's the reason i got in this race. it is unconscionable. we doubled the debt in this president's administration and he told us he'd cut it in half but it's doubled. right now those unfunded liabilities combined with our current debts is over $1 million per household. the solution will take a long time to solve this social security, medicare liability. the other one hanging out there is the interest on this debt. it goes up astronomically in the next 10 or 20 or 30 years as interest rates will rise. we have to do a couple things with social security and
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medicare and we have to protect the benefits of those drawing benefits for both those programs. we then have to look at the very beginnings of that program for people who are entering the programs for the first time, entering the work force, and have a formula that will sustain itself over their lifetime of work, such that when they get to the point in time they need those benefits, hey will be able to work themselves. >> charles edwards, your turn to ask a question of amanda swafford. >> ms. swafford, you're the most important person in this race right now. a lot of people have focused on david perdue and michelle nunn but if the race is as close as they say it is and would go to a runoff, what would you tell libertarian voters or undecided voters how to evaluate david perdue and michelle nunn. obviously you run to win but if there is a perdue-nunn runoff, how do you tell the voters to evaluate the two? >> i'm going to be looking at the candidates during the runoff and going to be looking
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at their respective parties during the runoff and more importantly, i'll be looking at their private sector experience and the things that they've done while they've been serving in the private sector and addressing and looking at those concerns during the runoff. >> to listen to your answer, sounds like there definitely is going to be a runoff. >> i believe that that's what polling is certainly telling us, that there's going to be a runoff and i remain optimistic that georgia will take a stance to understand that? the power and responsibility to change the way we do government lies in their hands. >> thanks very much. christina cassidy, your turn to ask michelle nunn a question [ >> good evening. you played an integral role in hands on points of light which resulted in 90 people losing their jobs, saying in an interview the losses were necessary to have the strength and success of today. one of the major attacks has been the loss of jobs shipped
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in his career. what obligation does corporate america have to its workers. >> thank you, christina and thank you to amanda and david nd reduce. >> we have to be good stewards. every organization i've run i left stronger and more vital than when i took it over. sometimes you do have to make tough choices but you do it with the intent of ensuring you're being the best steward for the highest impact of that organization and of the employees that work there. i was fortunate enough to be able to be at the helm of points of light and we were able to really ensure that we created what is now the largest volunteer organization dedicated to service in the world. and i'm very proud of that record. i compare that to david perdue's record. he said from his own words that he spent the majority of his career outsourcing jobs. nd you know, i just question
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and when he was head of dollar general there were over 2,000 women not paid equitably. >> mr. perdue? >> first of all, this is again a desperate attempt to distract people away from the truth. with misfacts and misstatements. i'm proud of my record at dollar general. we created tens of thousands of jobs throughout my career and at dollar general we created 25,000 jobs and 2,a00 -- 2,500 stores and i helped people make payday to payday. this government is decimating entire industries and causing us to lose jobs and why i want to go to the senate and be a champion for jobs in the united states senate, not a rubber stamp for barack obama. that seems to be directed at you. would you like a try at that? that's been something said over
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and over again in ads you would be a rubber stamp for president obama. >> i believe that's not the first time you'll hear that or the last time. and i think that, you know, this is, again, moving david from the actual record, what we were talking about, your record of shipping jobs overseas. and so, you know, when i think about this race, i think about a real contrast that we have. and it is between someone who spent their life in georgia for 26 years, mobilizing volunteers and building communities and someone who by their own words has spent their career, the majority of it, outsourcing jobs. >> i'll give you one last chance to respond to that. >> again, here we go again. these are not based on facts. none of those allegations are based on facts. again, i created and saved tens of thousands of jobs throughout my career. i want to go to washington and fight for the jobs of georgians here in georgia who are having a hard time making it from payday to payday. a lot of people who have their jobs and are worried about
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their jobs and people who don't have jobs are having trouble finding the jobs. what we have to do is get bad government policies out of the way, overregulation, too much tax, and get the energy released finally to get this economy going. >> thank you. that conconcludes the first round. the candidates will have the opportunity to ask one question to both of their opponents and each will have 30 seconds to ask the question, 60 seconds to respond and 30 seconds for a rebuttal if necessary. ms. swafford, you go first, your question for initial nunn. >> yes, ms. nunn, last week the democrat party released some flyers that highlighted the ferguson issue and encouraged black individuals to go out and vote, and you said in response to that we needed to have a conversation about that. i'd like to know whether you support or condone those use of those flyers in georgia to encourage blacks to go out and vote in this race. >> well, i said we do need a conversation. and i think that when i -- first of all, when i reflect
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upon ferguson, i think about it from the mother's perspective. you think of michael brown, someone who is just a few days away from going to college, and i think you think about what is our responsibility as a community, as a democracy to make sure that all of our young people are cultivated and supported and treated equally under the law. i do think it merits a conversation. i also think it gives us an opportunity to talk about what kind of society we want. the kind of society where everybody has a voice and everybody lifts up that voice and makes it known in the voting booths. and i think it's incredibly important that we urge, encourage, and inspire people, and i've spent a good bit of the last 15 months talking about how we need to make sure that people realize they can make a real change through elections and that their vote matters for the kind of community and democracy that we have. >> ms. swafford, your question now for david perdue? >> can i get a rebuttal on that, because i'm not sure that
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answers my question. >> go ahead, have an opportunity to rebutt and we'll move on. >> i'm just not sure whether you're still supporting or opposing the use of those flyers. that addresses the conversational aspect but are you supporting the use of those flyers or disapproving of the use of those flyers in this race to encourage black individuals to go and vote for the democrat candidate? >> what i'm focused on is getting as many people out as possible to vote. i sent this morning at church with john lewis and john lewis talked about the fact that, again, we need to make sure that we are urging everybody to use this right that is so precious and that we need to be responsible to those who have gone before us and need to recognize that we, all of us, have an opportunity to make a difference through our vote. >> we'll leave that there. ms. swafford, now your question for david perdue. >> my question for mr. perdue deals with the first amendment right and the internet and citizen journalism and in particular, you know, we've got dianne feinstein looking to regulate internet bloggers and
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license them and have a situation that happened in north georgia at the pumpkin patch in north georgia where we had an individual citizen blogger that was removed from that political event you attended and in terms of first apartment, -- first amendment, we haven't heard anything from you in terms of how you handled that situation. if we send to you washington as a senator, how are you going to handle our first amendment issues as it relates to citizen journalists? doing those things happen >> that's it for the question. >> well, thank you. you know, we have such great rights and privileges in this country. the first amendment, the second amendment, all of the amendments, but the bill of rights, the constitution. i am absolutely going to stand up for our constitution. i believe our president right now is abashing it. i believe the first amendment is under great threat. you saw the democrats in the senate actually threaten to pass a law about that just a few weeks ago. in my opinion, our great
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liberties are in jeopardy. you know, if you look at the foundations of what the republican party stands for, and indeed, i think america, economic opportunity, limited government, fiscal responsibility, and individual liberty, the values i have right now, i got in middle georgia. i will take to washington to defend those values and fight for our constitution and first amendment. >> you have 30 seconds to rebutt, ms. swafford, if you'd like. >> in terms of the citizen journalist that was there -- >> not to ask another question. you have 30 seconds to respond. >> to respond to the rebuttal on the question on that, in terms of our first amendment, the f.c.c. is trying to regulate citizen journalists and first amendment issues, are you going to stand up for the first amendment in a more substantial way than we saw you stand up for them at the event in north georgia? >> i'm sorry, we're going to stop it there because each of you get one question for each other.
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mr. perdue, it's your chance to ask a question to michelle nunn. >> thank you. well, michelle, delighted to be here with you again. president obama last week said that he's not on the ballot but his policies are, every single one of them. now, as you support obama, common core, higher taxes, amnesty, and the economic policies that have failed and actually generated more people out of work right now than any time since jimmy carter was president, isn't a vote for you just a vote for barack obama? >> david, i was with the a farmer recently and he said to me, you need to tell david perdue that if he wanted to run against harry reid, he should have moved to nevada and if he wanted to run against the president, he should have run for president. so you'll know that we are on the ballot here and i have said that there are lots of things that i agree with the president on and lots of things that i disagree with the president on. and let me tell you about a few of those things i disagree with
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the president on. i believe it should have moved forward already with the keystone pipeline. i believe he and his administration have made irresponsible cuts to our military. i also believe the president should have done more to work with congress and to address our long-term debt. but i do think we should move forward with the minimum wage, pay equity legislation, bipartisanship immigration reform. so i, unlike what you characterize here, i do not agree with the president as some sort of a rubber stamp. i have said very clearly i'm going to be an independent voice for georgia and will work whoever the president is, republican or democrat to do what's best for georgians. >> it's very interesting, that's not what the president is saying. he was on the radio last week saying that we -- he really urged the people of georgia to get you elected so you can go to washington and help him continue his good works. but it seems to me if you want to help the military, you would stand up for our veterans instead of saying that you would defer to the president of a the failure of the veterans administration, and to talk
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about farmers after you rated farmer issues number 18 on your list of priorities is hypocrisy. >> you have a chance now to ask amanda swafford a question. >> ms. swafford, glad to be here with you. you know, big government policies are decimating entire industries right now, hurting small businesses and creating jobs. obamacare alone is keeping almost 2/3 of small businesses from hiring people and have actually encouraged them to cut back employment. do you agree with me more government means less freedom and more opportunity for hard-working georgians? >> absolutely. the more government we have, the less opportunity we have for individuals to engage and enter into our free market enterprise system so absolutely. the less opportunity we have for individuals to become engaged in our enterprise system the less opportunities we have for everyone to be involved in so absolutely. big government solution is not a solution. and i have absolutely stood as a council woman in local
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government voting against big government solutions and i have a record doing that. i don't want to rearrange big government. i don't want to make big government more efficient. at its core, i don't think big government works. and everything big government tries to do, it never really does very well at all and that's always gotten out of the leadership in congress, they never give us a government program that works and never gives us anything that gives us back more of our freedoms we deserve so much in this country. that's the purpose of our federal government to give us the rights we deserve. >> you have 30 seconds to rebutt if you need to. >> thank you, amanda. we definitely need a new direction in our country, big government is stifling the entrepreneurial growth of our businesses. regardless of our party, if you believe like i do in economic opportunity and individual liberty, economic freedom and limited government, then i hope you'll stand with me and help us take our country back. >> ms. nunn, your turn to ask a question of david perdue, please?
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>> david, in 1992, you moved to asia to head up sara lee's operations and you said you built it from the ground up there. shortly thereafter, 500 people here in georgia lost their jobs. you said that people who the outsourcing career you have don't understand business. tell us and people who lost their jobs in places like cartersville and calhoun and milledgeville just a little bit more about business. >> here we go misstating the facts. i went to sara lee in asia to open their divisions and help sell product. it was a global organization in most countries of the world. there was no connection to any jobs, any connection to any companies in georgia. that was an entirely different division and had nothing to do with what we were doing in asia and my opponent knows that. here's the real problem, it's all a slight of hand and a detraction. this is why i got in the race and what's wrong with politics.
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we get this every time we have a race. distraction away from the truth. here's the truth. this president's failed policies are hurting men and women in georgia and you know that. you haven't said one thing what you would do to create jobs. let me ask you a question, you own an iphone? if you own an iphone, did you outsource jobs? you have a apple computer? did you outsource jobs? in my career i created and saves thousands of jobs and want to go to washington to be a champion for the working people of this state and have jobs and have prosperity for their kids and grandkids. >> 30 seconds, ms. dunn -- ns nunn, to respond to that. >> the facts are very clear and in a deposition under oath, you said that you spent the majority of your career outsourcing. there were 16 different countries listed where you created jobs, india and pakistan, china, and whether it's with giatano or sara lee or haggard, you do have a pattern here of outsourcing jobs. so i think that's just the question of you run on a business career and so people
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deserve to know what that business career involves. and i do have an eight-point plan around job creation and i'm the only one in the race that does. >> mr. perdue? >> that sounds like barack obama's 10-point plan that failed misserably. let me say this, at dollar general we created almost 20,000 jobs in about four years and yet we outsource every single product that we sold in our stores. almost all of them in the united states. i'm proud of the fact we helped our customers get from payday to payday and provide a great opportunity for our folks to provide for their families every day. >> let's move on, ms. nunn, to your question for amanda swafford. >> amanda, i got into this race because i believe question need to change and fight the gridlock and dysfunction in washington. i talked about a variety of ways of doing that including really mandating that our congresspeople don't get paid unless they pass an annual budget or that congressmen are precluded from going on to
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become lobbyists. can you share some of your ideas what we need to do to fight the gridlock in washington? >> well, one of the things we can do is start looking at individuals for individuals and not become so ingrained in an entrenched party system. i think that's one of the most important things we can do, certainly. the other -- another important thing we can certainly do is understanding that government is not always the answer to the problems that we have. and it's to become more self-reliant and get back to first asking the question what can we do through the private sector but as individuals, too, and not always looking to government to solve every problem that we have. i think that's a paramount difference that we need to try to get back to and bring back more of the responsibility that individuals have had for so long and that's the original part of our founding fathers really believe in the paramount of the individual. >> you have 30 second to responsibility if -- to respond if you'd like. >> i believe the way to fight
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gridlock and dysfunction is to send people to washington to work across party lines who believe there could be good ideas on both sides of the aisle. david throughout this race has talked about the fact that he actually, the last debate, said he was bored by all my bipartisan conversation and said he couldn't think of a single democratic idea he could work together on. and i think ultimately that we have someone here who has said that he wants to perpetuate the glid lock that exists. >> what do you have to say to that? >> michelle, hypocrisy abounds. the source of gridlock is not res -- republicans in congress but harry reid. there are 300 bills on his desk waiting for him to move it on the floor. when i look at the direction of this country, i'm very concerned because this political double-speak doesn't move us forward or create one single job or answer one question the people in georgia are asking right now and that's when are we going to get government working again. >> he's accusing you of
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political double-speak, i'll give you a shot at that. >> again, i believe until you send people, republicans that say they're going to work together, which you have failed to say, or democrats, that we are going to have the continued gridlock. i don't believe it's one party or the other. i think it has to be both sides coming together. and i think we do have a very clear contrast in terms of how we see breaking through that dysfunction. i don't think it's about prosecuting the other party. i think it is about problem solving. >> one last go on this. >> i disagree. i think it is. when you have a failed presidency you have to prosecute it because we deserve better than we're getting right now. the problem is when we look at the direction of this country, we've got to make a hard right-hand turn. the direction of this country is failing. i'll work with anybody that will help us turn this country back to its founding principles, get our people working again, have a secure national border and secure national security around the world and have a foreign policy. i'll work with anyone to help
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us do that. >> if you're just joining us now, this is the debate between the candidates for u.s. senate. we'll now go to our third and final round. in this round i'll ask a question submitted by the public and turn it over to our panelists for their questions. we'll continue this cycle until we run out of time tonight. our first constituent question comes from kathleen martin. thank you for sending it in, kathleen. she's a great grandmother from covington and would like to know, can they say something good about their opponent? >> i have a lot of admiration for you and i know you're doing it while you're continuing to work and how much hard work that is. david, in your commitment to public service, i think we all owe a debt of gratitude to those willing to be in the arena. david, we share halston county
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and a variety of family relationships, i know you're proud of your family as i am of mine and somebody who recently told me something i didn't know about you is that you have a very good golf game. >> mr. perdue. > her dad's lying again. >> standing up with liberty and individual, we need more of that in america. i think both parties need to pay attention to that right now. >> this is a hard game and i respect that. michelle, i respect you're a working mother, i really do. you have a great family that anybody would pray for. i love your heart and your brain. i love your family. you know, we just disagree on the policies. but i really like what you've done in your career and i respect you for that. >> absolutely. mr. perdue, you have a
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wonderful teamworking for you and i know the individuals working for you and i respect a lot of the individuals working for you and you organized a great teamworking for you. and ms. nunn, it's wonderful to be sharing the stages a woman nominated for senate in georgia running on that platform and that's a great thing, i think, to be able to share the stage with you as one of only three women that ever have been dominated -- nominated by parties in the state of georgia. >> thanks to all three of you. charles edwards, your turn to ask a question. >> my question here is for mr. perdue and ms. nunn here. we just spent a whole lot of time listening, talking about outsourcing and jobs and the economy, the back and forth that you guys have there. if i'm at home watching this right now and i don't have a job or if i'm at home watching it now and running a business, what realistically, given the next senate term, can be done to make the economic climate so that businesses can do what
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they need to do to thrive and people can get jobs so the unemployment rate goes down. what realistically can be done in the u.s. senate and we'll start with mr. perdue. >> thank you, charles. i think that's the main question of this election, frankly. i said all along, even though michelle says i haven't been talking about, long before she had an opponent on this last year. we were talking about how to get the economy going and it's simple. there are many things you can do and there are three priorities. one, you've got to cut the spending and solve the tax problem. we are creating an unlevel playing field around the world with our tax system and the only one with a repate reation tax and it's not a partisan issue. i believe i can lead to get the nonpartisan issue done. i believe we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world and creates an unlevel playing field in the rest of the world. the second thing, we're overregulated and overtaxed. if we pull back the regulations the small business will take off.
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we need to unlock our energy resources to fulfill our mission to provide a better life for our kids and grandkids. >> ms. nunn? >> well, we actually agree on some of those things. i do believe we need to make sure we're alleviating regulatory burdens on small businesses and we need to make sure that we are reforming our tax code. we need to reduce our corporate tax rate and insent innovation and investment here at home and we need to continue to invest in infrastructure which we know is a important part of the economic development. but i also think that we need to raise the minimum wage. i think it's one of the things we need to do. and when people are looking at, you know, what we can do in congress, it is to make sure that everybody who is working has the capacity to be self-sufficient. i think this is a place where david and i disagree. i asked david the last debate whether he believed that we should raise the federal minimum wage. he does not. but also, i asked him, do you actually think there should be a federal minimum wage and at
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what rate do you think it should be. >> mr. perdue, go ahead. >> thank you. here again, this is a perfect example of what happens to somebody who never really has been in business tries to start asking questions and answering questions about how do you grow jobs. she went right away to the minimum wage and is a political expedient that comes around every four years, every two years. i want her to answer the question, if you raise the minimum wage 40%, which person out of every three people working now would you tell are going to lose a job? that's the last thing we need to do when we're trying to get this economy going? >> david, we just disagree about the economics of this. it doesn't mean i don't understand business. you've told the citizens of georgia when they question your outsourcing career they don't understand business but we do understand business and i actually do understand what it means to raise the minimum wage. i know in states now where they have raised the minimum wage, they have greater economic growth and greater jobs than
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georgia. georgia has right now, as you well know, the highest unemployment rate in the nation, and so we do know a thing or two, those of us who disagree, about business. >> christina cassidy, your turn to ask a question. >> yes, thank you. on the topic of the corporate tax rate, ms. nunn and mr. perdue, you both said a lower tax rate is needed to make companies more competitive with the rest of the world, ms. swafford, you've called to eliminate it. that would, no doubt, result in less revenue. so my question is, what would you cut in order to make a lower corporate tax rate possible? for all of you. >> who is going first? >> who do you want to ask that to? >> for all the candidates but we can start with ms. swafford. >> so the question is what would i cut to make the corporate income tax down to zero work? >> you know, i don't think we actually have to -- to make the corporate income tax work,
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that's part of the fair tax which is a program that has a lot of widespread support and has a lot of research behind it. it is a program that shifts the taxation down to a consumption base tax and with that, it ask eliminate the corporate income tax and goes to a national sales tax of sorts and that's a strong program that i've been involved with on a grassroots level for a very long time, working to go in that direction. but, you know, i believe certainly we can look to go even stronger than that and do away with all federal income taxes and get back to a system that our founding fathers actually envisioned of having the states apportion the income taxes -- or the tax system so that the taxes are apportioned based on population according to the states. and repealing the 17th amendment and getting back to more direct representation for taxation. >> let's go down the line, mr. perdue, what would you cut?
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>> christina, it's a great question and one of the ways we have gridlock in washington, actually, every time we talk about increasing tax, one side says to solve the debt crisis they want to increase tax and the other side wants spending cuts. that's a union lal rat debate and don't think it's the right one. the real debate is how to get the economy boeing to solve this. the corporate tax rate creates a unlevel level across the world. there are millions in banks trapped over there and if you patriotization tax, it cuts jobs. if you bring it to a nominal number, there are studies that say because of the economic growth it offsets itself. we generate 21 days of expenditures from the federal government of the corporate tax rate. i believe economic growth is the way out to create a level playing field around the world to create more jobs here at home. >> ms. nunn? >> i agree that by cutting the corporate tax rate we actually will incent investment and
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create economic growth in our own country and think it's the right thing to do and think it's an example where democrats and republicans could work together. i do differ with david and amanda about the fair tax. the fair tax would mean 30 percent-plus tax on things like groceries, milk, everything. it also would mean more than 50% of georgians would end up paying $4,000 more in taxes. and now people at the very top, at the top 1% would be paying less, $200,000, estimated less. i don't think that's the right way to go. i think we need revenue neutral tax reform but i think that the so-called fair tax is actually just not fair to the majority of georgians. >> daniel, your turn to ask a question? >> one of the first decisions you'll have to make if aleced to the u.s. senate is who will be your party's leader? would you vote for harry reid and would you vote for ms. mcconnell and ms. swafford, who
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would you vote for? >> i have said i will vote for the democrat that i think will best serve the interests of combating gridlock and getting things done. and in the best interest of georgia. i really do believe that we need to hold leadership accountable. i think washington has been dysfunctional and the leadership needs to continue to change if we're going to get something done. i believe nothing will get done in the senate until we have people on both sides of the aisle to work together. neither party will approach 60 votes no matter who controls the senate, whether it's mitch mcconnell or harry reid. until we have a center in the senate, until we have enough people that say they're going to work with the spirit of moderation, pragmatism, common sense, and putting georgia first above party, i think that we will continue to have the same gridlock we have today. >> mr. perdue? >> you know, this is the same bill of goods we were sold in
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2008 and 2012 by president obama. when he said i'll bring you all together. i'll work with the other party in a bipartisan way and by the way, i'll cut the debt in half. he's not done anything on all of those. my point right now is the democrats are blaming republicans in the house and they keep talking about bringing civility to washington and we'll work across the aisle. not one democrat voted against, in the senate, voted against obamacare and not one republican voted for it. harry reid has over 300 bills stuck on his desk and won't let them debate in the senate. to me that's the single source of gridlock in washington. why is he doing that? because i think it allows the president to run this country without congress through executive order and regulatory mandate. the best example is the e.p.a. killing jobs right now and needs to be pulled back. >> ms. swafford? >> i'm not voting for any of the existing leadership in congress because they're all doing a dismal job, absolutely
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dismal job. and i'm not hanging out and visiting with any of the leadership right now in congress. i haven't talked to any of them and am not friends with any of them and don't know who any of them are and haven't had a personal relationship with them. i'm not supporting any of them right now. so i won't be voting for any of them. we have to -- a lot can happen between now and when the senate begins in session so we have to wait and see who actually is going to be controlling the senate. it really makes no difference who controls the senate. all we know is that both parties have controlled us for decades. and ultimately that's what your vote comes down to is who you want to be in control of your life and who you want to be making the decisions for you. do you want to turn to big government every time there's a crisis, every time there's something that needs to be solved? is big government the answer? or is it the power and responsibility going to lie with you, the individual. that's the question in this election. >> ms. swafford, thanks very much. >> i solicited input from the
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public in preparing for all this and the thing i heard over and over again is how disappointed people are with the tone and the content of the campaign advertising. if you look at yours, mr. perdue, she doesn't have her own mind and can't wait to rubber stamp president obama. ms. nunn, you seem to suggest he's a rich guy who can't wait to send all the jobs overseas. i wonder and people at home wonder if you're disappointed and maybe embarrassed by the half truths that are part of this process. mr. perdue, why don't you begin? >> oh, absolutely, been a business guy all my life. this is a terrible process. and i don't think it generates the best outcome. big money, the drive to get realeced is one of the problems we have in washington. i've fought all along over the last year to bring term limits to the discussion. and i'm dedicated to do that. if i go to washington, i'm going to fight for term limits. i believe we have a broken system. most people i talk to in georgia believe we have a broken system. they're very disappointed with e divisive and just dividing
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and arrogant nature of some of these ads. it doesn't move it to the dialogue to the conversation about how do we move forward. i've offered up real hard solutions to some of the problems like creating jobs by growing our economy, cutting our expenses. we have $480 billion of redundant agencies we need to get after and cut. but yes, i think the process is a lousy process. >> ms. nunn? >> well, i actually had a to change the process. i challenged david to keep the money within georgia but within a few hours you said no, we're not doing that. and i think we do see millions and millions of dollars coming in for negative advertising. i also said we need campaign finance reform and need transparency when groups come in and spend millions without us knowing who they period.
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-- who they are. i want to point out the winner of the most egregious ad of the campaign, not just in georgia but the entire united states of america has been given to you, david, for saying that president george h.w. bush points of light organization has given money to terrorists. and that ad was calleded pants on fire by not only the a.j.c. but the "time" magazine and "usa today" and in the hall of fame of pants on fire. >> let's hash this out because that's what people have seen at home. she's correct in the sense that people who judged this that aren't part of your campaign say it was misleading and what was in her campaign memo was not how it's presented in the advertising. >> of course it is. it's right in the memo. of course it is. that's exactly what was in the memo. here's the other part of what you're not getting straight. michael bloomberg put money in
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your pac to come into fea georgia and fight against our second amendment rights. you have millions of dollars given to you by outside liberal parties who want to come in here and steal this election. when i look at this race, the outcome is too important for our kids and grandkids for us to bicker about ads. i want to talk about how to get our georgians working again and how to treat our veterans right and how to have a foreign policy to provide national security so we're not sitting around worrying about ebola and isis and we have a president leading us from the front with a direction we all can believe in. right now congress is totally dysfunctional and i agree and why i got in the race and think i can make a difference. with 10 people in the u.s. senate without business experience, i think i can add to the dialogue about how to create jobs. who do you want helping that dialogue, somebody who has been there and done it or somebody who talks it theoretically. >> ms. nunn?
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>> david, your experience would be unique and you'd be the only one in the senate who said they spent the majority of their career outsourcing jobs. again, there's no excuse for running an ad that's been called shameful and the despicable laws. and no matter the rationale, you can't justify that. and let's talk about veterans and farmers. by the way, i spent much of my career supporting veterans. i spent a good part of this campaign talking about farmers and your misrepresentation about those issues, again, i'm the only one who actually has a campaign set of issues that talks about veterans and farmers. there's nowhere in your entire website of campaign issues where you address farmers or veterans. so let's have a dialogue but let's be clear about who has -- who has won the hall of fame ad in terms of negativity and in terms of what's been called an outright and shameful lie by neil bush. >> charles, i'm going to have
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you ask a question first. >> i want to piggyback on your question, russ and yours, daniel, because you asked about ads and how people are frustrated with the ads. and you said, david perdue, we shouldn't focus on the ads. but one of your ads does talk about how you think michelle nunn is a rubber stamp and that's something you talked about earlier in the debate. but in her answer, she's talked about there are things i agree with the president on and there are things i disagree with the president on. so i'm trying to figure out how you can tall her a rubber stamp if she's giving you both things here. i have a question for michelle nunn. daniel asked if you'd support harry reid and talked about what you'd want to see in a senate majority leader and someone leading the democrats or the senate. it's good to hear you talk about the characteristics you want there but right now it is harry reid and who people see in terms of agenda. so do you see harry reid as somebody who has those
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characteristics, is that somebody you'd vote for? we can start with david perdue talking about the ads here. >> thanks, charles. barack obama handpicked michelle and recruited her and funded her. you really think she's going to bite the hand that feeds her? she's raised millions through his network and brought advisors in here. he even hired one of her political advisors to be the czar for ebola who has no medical background whatsoever. she's had michelle obama in wn and hillary in town, bill clinton has been in town and we need an outsider to go and effect change. we keep talking about gridlock but don't look at the cause of gridlock and that is, is harry reid blocking the bills and allows the president to do immeasurable damage to our economy right now. in the next two years, god knows how many federal judges may be appointed and we may have one or two supreme court justices named in that period of time. i think the people of georgia
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need to be very serious about naming the next u.s. senator from all those perspectives. >> ms. nunn, can you give us a yes or no about harry reid? >> can i answer this, including, nobody has been feeding me by hand, david. so -- and let me clarify, i probably spent maybe 45 minutes of my life with president obama. i spent seven years running president george w.h. bush's points of light organization. i spent 47 years with my father as an advisor and someone who deeply understands that bipartisanship and statesmanship and working together across party lines is at the very heart of getting something done. so again, the accusations of rubber stamp are just completely distortions. happy to go to the question. so you all know that when you cast your vote in the senate, you have to figure out who actually is going to be represented. right now i will tell you that
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i would -- i think that there are real reasons to say to harry reid and mitch mcconnell that we need to do something different, that we need to actually reshape the nature of our political discourse and the culture in washington. and i would actually say that. you know, i have told harry reid no already. i'll tell you, when i started this race, harry reid encouraged someone else to run and asked me not to run. and i said with all due respect, i'm going to be the one that makes that decision, along with the people of georgia. so i know how to say no to senator reid and i also will work together with those when possible. again, that contrasts to david who said he wouldn't vote for mitch mcconnell but he went right up there, right after he got the nomination and said he was going to be a team player for senator mcconnell and the republican party. and i'm going to be a team player for georgia. >> can we get a quick rebuttal on that? >> i want to go back to something said three times tonight that's a misquote and want to get the record cleared
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up. in that deposition, if you read that deposition, and you know this, it never says i outsourced jobs, not one time. and she's repeated that three times tonight. that's the same kind of bill of goods we got from obama in 2008 and 2012. that's the slight of hand we're getting in this race and why i got in this race. i want to clean it up when i get to washington. >> the distinction being you're not moving jobs overseas, you're simply creating jobs, sourcing overseas? >> well, dollar general is a perfect example. we created 20,000 jobs in four years and yet we outsourced all the product we sold in our stores. this is a part of the conversation that never gets out. part of the conversation that i outsource jobs, they know that's not right. they know it's not in the deposition and yet that's still a lie. the second thing is where george h.w. bush, the implication he endorsed her. he's actually endorsed us and asked her to take his image down and stop using his name. but >> is the criticism not a little
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unfair that most major corporations do outsourcing of some fashion? >> i think it is very clear when you read the deposition that david spent a career, you lived countries,fferent listed 16 countries where you created jobs. you were not talking -- you were talking about creating jobs in india and pakistan and mexico. as you say, that is a part of the american free enterprise system. absolutely. i just don't think it is a criteria people are looking for when they are electing a senator to washington. >> christina? mr. perdue brought up former new york city mayor michael bloomberg, a prominent gun-control advocate who has given


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