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to make sure the government moves forward. by the way, we've got a lot of international global economic challenges. we've got to make sure that more americans are benefitting from economic growth going forward. that is the economic challenge of the day. >> congressman chris van hollen from maryland's eighth congressional district and the ranking democrat on the house budget committee. congressman, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. it's great for being with all of you. >> rebecca shabad, i want to follow up on the last comment he made republicans can't be scary moving ahead. how does the gop govern? >> you know, it's a question that we're all looking at right now. obviously, the republicans in the house, we saw it with the vote for speaker and with the omnibus debate in the late house session. it's hard to determine how the republicans will agree on the same terms, especially in the senate. mitch mcconnell has said that
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congress can't default, there won't be any more shut downs. quiet is, will the house and the senate be able to come to a compromise on all the spending and budget issues and whether they'll be able to satisfy the white house as well. >> to congressman von hollen, what's going to happen? >> i think it'll be suspensive to see if republicans can pass a budget. it was a close call last year and we have 24 senate republicans up for re-election in 2016 so i think there are some hard choices there for them. i thought it was very interesting that congressman von hollen said we will not permit you to increase funding for defense out of -- by taking that money for the non-defense spending, and so democrats are drawing their line in the sand pretty clearly there. >> and he sounded rather ominous in terms of the debate about to ensue on the department of homeland security. what are you looking for? >> well, it's very clear that democrats are totally against what republicans have proposed
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this past week. they are offering these amendments to the homeland security funding bill that would defund president obama's executive orders on immigration and roll back daca for the children who came to this country illegally. obviously, democrats oppose these issues. the question is it probably wouldn't make it past in the senate, so will the house and senate republicans go to conference and try and come up with some sort of an agreement that kind of embraces some of their issues? but it seems pretty clear that they won't be able to defund the executive orders because of the hurdles in the senate. >> and i just think it's clear to everyone that the end game of republicans on this still has not emerged. you know, this isn't going to make it through the senate, so what next? and that just seems to be a question mark. >> quickly, chairman tom price and chairman paul ryan what's
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going to change in the committee? >> i think probably not a whole lot. it's possible infrastructure is an area they can reach an agreement but we've seen in the past that there's an agreement that they want to do a long term plan and always get tripped up on how to pay for it. >> you get the final word. >> it should be interesting to see how tom price will work with senator mike enzi who's his counter part in the senate. will they push forward a very extreme budget proposal coming in, or do you think they'll kind of cater to those more moderate republicans who are up for re-election in 2016 to protect them. >> rebecca shabat of the hill newspaper and krivtina peterson of the "wall street journal." thank you for being with us. >> we'll hear more from representative chris von hollen tomorrow when he speaks for the center for american progress action fund about efforts to address wage stagnation.
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that will be live at 9:30 a.m. eastern on c-span 2. we go live now to paris where a unity rally is taking place with french president francois hollande and other world leaders. this is in response to recent acts of violence in france that began with wednesday's terror attack at a french satirical newspaper which left 12 people dead. this is courtesy of france 24. >> the article on this website talks about firechat, which is a messaging system that doesn't use the internet and, in fact, if you remember, firechat is what people used in hong kong. the umbrella movement. and then the second piece of advice the article has is not to use the 3g networks, if you can avoid that going onto the 2 g networks or 4 g networks, less people, and that will probably help you communicate with the right people there. >> all right. >> every newsroom needs one of those. we're reporters. >> that would certainly help. thank you very much for talking
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us through what's happening online and what's happening on social media. and as you've been speaking, and i've just been told in my ear, that we've actually been in touch with the interior ministry to hear a little bit about what they say about the number of people who have turned up here in paris and elsewhere around france this sunday. and nothey're telling us at this hour that they don't have any estimates at this point as to how many people have turned out but they are overwhelmed when it comes to the counting, and i guess that really tells you the story this sunday, as we look at these pictures, all of paris, the french capital coming out in full force after what has been a pretty horrific week in the french capital, and that almost feels like an understatement. as i said, hundreds of thousands of people taking part in this unity march. how many hundreds of thousands of people? we simply cannot tell you at this stage due to the fact that
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it is so difficult and there are so many people out there walking this sunday. as you can see boulevards, streets, completely rammed with people. let me just tell you, just so you understand what you're looking at. these are streets and boulevards where cars usually dominate, and these are streets that are usually packed when it comes to vehicles. now, they are packed with people today. people holding up the banners like je suis charlie as you can see on the left side of your screen, and basically people coming out in full force to express their contempt for what's been happening in france. remember, the 17 people have been killed in three different attacks in the french capital this week. on wednesday, of course, we saw 12 people being killed in and around the offices of the french satirical paper "charlie hebdo" and then on thursday, we saw a police woman killed in the south of paris in the suburb of
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monrouge, and then on friday we saw four people being killed in a hostage drama that played out in a kosher store just on the eastern fringe of the french capital capital. on top of that, the attackers themselves, three men were also killed by security forces in the respective stand offs with security forces. we are now going across, i'm told, to our reporter michelle ferguson, who is standing by at the target the end goal, so to speak, of all of these protesters and this unity march this sunday. rochelle, talk us through what's happening where you are. >> marcus since we last spoke it's really filling up incredibly quickly. you would have had this already today but some people have dubbed this march a sea of humanity.
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it's certainly turning into that. flags from all over the world from france, to lebanon the israeli flag. plenty of different banners as well. and je suis has become a universal symbol. but equally, lots of cartoons around, equally calls for the liberty of freedom rather, of expression to be respected. if i can just turn to speak to one of the people here who's joined the march. julie, tell us why you came here today. >> i came here because here, today, the french is sad, but it's not only the french today. it's the world. we are human. we are talking about liberty expression but that's another truth object. truth object is the terrorism in the world. and now they attack france, they attacked london, everything, and i think this is the beginning and everybody in the world has
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to really realize, we have to be ready for that and that we have to -- >> as you can see, some incredibly emotional day here, people swelling with emotion, wanting to express solidarity with france and saying, you know, they're not refusing rather to be silenced by terrorism. here, we're having moments of silence followed by clapping. as i said to you earlier, the french national anthem being sung sporadically, really quite an emotional time here currently currently. >> rochelle ferguson thank you very much indeed. already making the rounds so to speak after the attacks, it was a cartoon of the character, and
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he said, while punching -- in his own very special way his enemy, which really reflects how popular this hashtag or how popular this expression has become. i suppose it's worth noting that the cartoonist who's been drawing this actual lecame out of retirement in order to draw that cartoon that you just saw there during that segment with rochelle ferguson. we're going to turn now to michael, because i know you want to come in. >> i can't help but notice that in looking at these glorious images just how amazingly resilient the french are. let's put this in perspective. four days ago, two terrorists burst into charlie hebdo, killed 12 people, and then went on the lamb. and during the next two days we had all of france fixated on
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watching whether or not these terrorists were going to be caught. and that same afternoon two days ago, we had a man burst into a jewish super market and take several people hostage. it ended with many people dying during that two-day period. this is two days ago two days ago, and here we are in a demonstration that cannot have are very much security when you think about it, you know, it's almost impossible. people are not showing much fear of the fact that they themselves know that they can't be protected very well. the french authorities seem, i'm sure, are cognizant of that and yet, this defiance -- it's not just defiance, it's much more than that. it's a kind of song, it's a kind of song that says, not only we are charlie, but that we are france. >> i also say, it's another line in that song that says, we are not afraid.
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and that was something you saw on the first night on wednesday with the original rally an extraordinary protest sign being held up, we are not afraid and i think this is what the french people are also saying, that they will not be intimidated by acts of terrorism, and i think -- >> they're also saying they love their country. >> they're singing the national anthem. can you hear them? >> yes. yeah, we can hear them in the back drop. >> we also know that living in france, we're so used to hearing the french complain about one thing or another. we're used to hearing the divisiveness of the political figures, and we're used to hearing the problems, many more times than we hear about the solutions. but today, we hear a unity, a voice. >> and the picture we just saw there that we just went away from, i suppose it helps, because we saw a french flag
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flying at half mast. at the same time, we saw people behind it, thousands of people once more, getting behind that french flag and singing the french national anthem, which, once again, really tells the story of the day. >> absolutely, and you have to wonder, is there going to be a period of mourning beyond the day that we saw? we have people that have died and who are going to mourn these people in an official way? is there going to be an official mourning? in a certain sense this is their mourning. in other words, we're -- someone mentioned today that these people might should be put into the pantheon because we don't have modern representatives in france in the pantheon today, and yet these people have -- the people that died on wednesday and on friday have come to symbolize the heroes of france. >> and true, the young policeman. >> and thursday too, you're right. >> let me just pick up on something that we've already talked about. but i suppose the question remains, do you think that this unity will carry on from today?
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as i said, we're seeing these astounding pictures, but will it last? >> i think what you're seeing is an underlying truth. i've been coming to france and living in france for the past 40 years, and i think that uven times, the french are not sure themselves about their own feelings about france, and it creates lots of internal issues lots of existential issues, but i think that something like today will carry on, and i think there's definitely a voice here that people will remember. and i think it's probably going to end up being more problematic for the national front. this is just a prediction, that it's going to be more problematic faced with this kind of unity, and embracing of all communities in these different marches around the country. that message is going to have -- they're going to have to figure out ways to make that message different than it is today. so on the other hand i think
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that after this week, the french community will come face-to-face with how to prevent terrorism, how to prevent radicalization of young muslims, how to determine whether this is even preventible. those are questions that are going to be very hard questions. >> and going back to something that was said earlier by paul i think it would be erroneous to think that the koulachi brothers and coulibaly just came out of nowhere. they are part of a system of france that existed for decades and let's not forget that in 1996 -- 1995 and 1996, we had a series of bombing attacks in france and other terrorist attacks over a period of a year and-a-half, and the leaders of the attacks were put into jail. most of them were


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