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foxx: i tell you what. you are a faith healer. let me help a brother out. you have to have a good team around you. the convention takes an awful lot. by the end we had hundreds of people working on the convention. it starts with one or two. a strong team and making sure that you are doing everything you can to meet the obligations you have made and making sure that you are making a good for the city you are representing. mike: you have two kids. you are in middleburg. the same place i celebrated my birthday. what did you enjoy doing? foxx: it is a lot of fun. we made s'mores.
i had four. hillary, the 10-year-old, had four. samara had two. zachary had one because he wanted to burn his marshmallow. the kids were looking to do the zipline, but it was too cold. we will do a rain check. we walked around the grounds. i was a little hobbled with this, so i didn't do the activities. i did get to play basketball with my son and daughter. talk them how to do a layup. mike: and a barbecue recommendation? foxx: from d.c.? mike: from anywhere. foxx: what is the best meal on your bus trip? mike: and you have austan coming up. foxx: i was in jackson,
mississippi. congressman thompson took me to a place. i'd never had tamales. i did not think i would have tamales in mississippi. they were pretty good. i can't remember the name of the place but i could visualize it. go to jackson and have tamales. mike: thank you for a great conversation. foxx: thank you, mike. [applause] >> epa administrator jane a mccarthy with politico's mike allen. she talked about president obama's climate action plan, epa administration and energy efficiency. this is 30 minutes. [applause]
thank you for coming out. mike: you are fully mobile? madam secretary, what is one of the biggest hopes for obama's second term is -- what will happen in the next year and a half? >> we will deliver on his climate action plan. my hope and expectation is that he has outlined an ambitious but compelling argument on why we need to take action. his leadership is amazing. i have a clear path forward and we will move ahead to develop those rules underpinning his success and taking strong action and generating international action. mike: you have a hot seat in the
administration. tell us about the pain energy plan. who likes it, and who hates it. administrator mccarthy: the majority of the people in the united states realized that we have to take action on climate. they are looking for leadership. we have to move toward a low carbon future. the challenge is to make sure we do it in a reasonable and effective way and that we could the ball rolling. most recognize we should do it. they're always be folks arguing about how we should do it or how we design it, but frankly i'm hearing more about how we design it then should we do it. mike: this can get personal. what do you do to turn down the heat on the issue? administrator mccarthy: i have been in government for 35 years. if i have not figured out how to separate personal from business i would not be here.
i won't let it become personal at this point. the president has indicated a responsibility to act, and i know i have to follow the laws that i have. i have to apply the data as i see it and use science as my guide. and to keep my head down and treat this as a normal business rule that the eta does under the clean air act. i feel comfortable i will have to defend it, i will be able to under the law and science, and we will have a great opportunity to deliver on the president's legacy. mike: why is this such a hot issue? administrator mccarthy: i hate to tell you, but it is not as hot outside of washington dc as it is inside washington dc. we have to look at the issues people care about across the united states. mike: it is pretty hot in kentucky. administrator mccarthy: it can be but there are folks in
kentucky working with us figuring out the action to take. there is more surety now among the general public and a lot more concerned that we are seeing the impacts associated with climate. i don't think that any of the individuals we are working with want to see the and tags get larger because we fail to address the issues in a way that will not only be ambitious but it will turn the challenge into an opportunity. one of the reasons there is great hope is because the momentum will continue beyond the administration is because the technologies of the future other technologies people are investing in today. i've been around long enough to know that when you bring up a problem with no solution, people do not want the problem to be defined. and we have solutions that will grow the economy and bring jobs.
i have every confidence we will be able to move the ball forward and the momentum will continue because it will be part of the economic fabric that keeps us competitive. mike: what are the most cutting-edge technologies? administrator mccarthy: i don't know if it is cutting edge, because that implies it is not around yet but solar is amazing. i don't think anyone anticipated it would make the progress that it has. under this administration, we have seen solar move tenfold. we have seen when to move threefold -- wind move threefold. we are seeing more job growth in the solar industry than any other sector of the u.s. economy. another cutting-edge example of new technology is budding. we're moving away from incremental to a long-term
marketing signal saying that is where investment should go. we are seeing a moved renewables and efficiency programs. we have to send a long-term signal, which is what the president's intent is and what the eta will deliver in our clean power plan. mike: the epa is to withhold climate funds if they do not comply with the rule. does the epa have the legal authority? administrator mccarthy: we do not have the legal authority to withhold highway funds. he is getting confused. in the section of the clear air act which we are operating under. which is a state and plantation plan which is very different and does not hold the same consequences. this is a standard compliant system.
where we set the standard, the states implement, and the sources are responsible to achieve the admission reduction targets. mike: what is your plan b on climate? administrator mccarthy: at this point in time or after it is finalized? there are a couple of things going on well, many things going on, but there are legal challenges that we feel are not particularly of significance because we have not finalized the rule. when it is finalized we expect it to be legally challenged and likely go to the supreme court. that is why we are going to follow the law and see what the data says, and to let the way that it will be legal. we are looking forward to that. i don't think there will be opportunities for folks to have a significant challenge because we have been doing the clean air
act a really long time. we have been having pretty good success. the supreme court has addressed the issue of carbon pollution three times already. we want to make sure we get a fourth win under our belt. mike: is the clean water act easier? administrator mccarthy: no. they are challenging but in different ways. the carbon pollution rules has become a political controversy within washington dc. sometimes that stops us short of getting into the substantive issues. we are dealing with those issues. on the clean water broke, it is the fact that water is personal. water is important to every community. that is why we are doing it. to make sure we are protecting drinking water supplies that people rely on and resources we rely on. we have to do it in a way that we have strong consultation with the states. and recognize there will be
folks out of the gate that will be very concerned, and don't even want to the clarity we are looking for. but the general public do. we will deliver this one in a really solid way which takes cognitive to the concerns that have been raised and made the changes that we need. both are challenging, but we can do both, and we will. mike: going back to your time in massachusetts, you know what it is like to be in the courts. sometimes it might feel like you are the secretary-general? administrator mccarthy: he has his problems and i have mine. mike: what is it like to have constant litigation be a huge part of your job. administrator mccarthy: it is challenging when you go to remortgage your house. they think i am a serial something-or-other. the epa is under scrutiny no matter what we do.
if we put a science assessment out it has to be triple peer-reviewed and we do the job that we need to do. it keeps you on your toes and has allowed us to become more cutting edge. it helps us advance science in many ways. it just means we have to better prepared for the inevitable lawsuit. we get better with time. mike: in two minutes i will bring in my colleague, but first my keystone question. the canadian ambassador wrote to secretary kerry accusing the epa of significant distortions and omissions in reaching your recent conclusions that low prices would increase to increased oilsands. a striking charge. what is your response? administrator mccarthy: i have great respect for the city ambassador, but he should just relook at the comment letter.
as much as he may have thought it was a conclusion, it is simply the normal way that the epa response. looking at the change in oil prices and what that means and to make the factual observation that this class does more than others. people just have to look at it. we didn't conclude anything because we are not the , concluder, we are the commentor. mike: would the keystone pipeline be a disaster for the climate? administrator mccarthy: no i don't think anyone issue is a disaster to the climate nor is there any one solution. everything has to be looked at in a way that continues to advance our interests of moving toward a low carbon can take and -- a low carbon future. that makes us more jobs and more competitive. mike: thank you for sticking
with us. you can live tweet your questions to playlist lunch. >> the epa climate rules for power plants are a large part of the u.s. is going to u.n. climate negotiations with. i would like to circle back on whether or not you are talking about what to do if the appeals court holds up your power plant rule before you issue a rule. is there some other thing you can take? administrator mccarthy: we certainly don't expect that to happen. i don't need a plan b if i am solid in my plan a. we know how to do regulation under the clean air act. we have been doing it for 40 years. i know what happened in the 1990 amendments. i know what we're supposed to do. we will deliver on that. the good news is everything the
president is looking at in terms of a u.s. commitment, he has the authority to do. epa has the obligation to do this as the supreme court has told us. we just need to make sure we are following the law. we should be set. we know already there is a change an the international discussion. we can take advantage of that. people know domestically we are moving forward, and we have done a great joint agreement with china. if the two biggest polluters can get together and the two biggest economies, we will be ok moving into paris. we should have momentum. >> secretary foxx mentioned that you sent over these heavy-duty trucks, can you tell us a little bit about what to expect there? administrator mccarthy: first we already did one heavy-duty rule. that got the ball rolling.
that will be the same like you see on light duty vehicles looking to send a longer-term market center for the kind of innovation and progression and technology we are looking for. i think most of us think light-duty vehicles are the big ticket item but if you look now heavy-duty vehicles are huge emitters of greenhouse gases. providing efficiency will not only drive significant reduction, but it is also going to be tremendous for commercial benefits. it will lower the cost of consumer goods. that are all transported through trucks. i cannot give you any of the details, but i am looking forward to this having an expedited review. so that we can get it out to folks, because it will be a terrific rule and we are working strongly with the industry in all aspects. the last thing i would mention is we did pretty good in the light duty vehicle. people might see that the second year into the light-duty vehicle
requirements that extend to 2025, we are ahead of the curve. the companies are doing better than we anticipated, even though they thought it was an aggressive target. if we can have the same collaboration and payoff with consumers, and the same success, we will do great. mike: what is something that i, mike allen, resident of arlington, virginia can do to reduce my carbon footprint? administrator mccarthy: you can buy one of the 30 mile per gallon vehicles on the road that have tripled since we started taking these. we have three times as many on the road today. mike: what is one vehicle? administrator mccarthy: ford focus is one of my -- i shouldn't say it is one of my favorites. it is one. [laughter] that was almost a big mistake. good thing i avoided that. [laughter] there's a lot of them. and a lot of new ones. the interesting thing is you can
also buy your suv. they are the model -- the suvs are the fastest in terms of reducing their emissions. they're the fastest in terms of getting better miles per gallon than any model. the way we decide it is you can -- of the way we designed it is the you can look at any vehicle and have the performance you , want and continue to drive the fleet average down. i am excited about that. people are worried about whether we are buying suv's again. they're all getting more efficient. you can look at energy efficiency opportunities. one of the things we're looking at with the clean water role -- clean power rule is that there is a wide variety of opportunities to reduce greenhouse crash in missions rather than looking at the utilities themselves. energy efficiency programs are fabulous. most states have them. they are game changers. mike: what is an example of
something that i can do? to be more energy efficient. administrator mccarthy: a quick example, a lot of the states are supporting by providing rebates when you buy energy efficient appliances. those can be efficiently designed and targeted at what has the energy star label. if you buy one of those you are saving money over a short period of time. you save every year and can get a rebate in many states. in some there are opportunities for reimbursements. or maybe a tax incentive for renewables. which is also a significant opportunity moving forward. mike: what have you changed or given up in your life to conserve energy? administrator mccarthy: i cannot think i have given up anything. part of the key to conservation isn't not putting your sweater on what is figuring out how to -- sweater on, it is figuring out how to reduce your energy cost us. we have gone way beyond that so
i have not had to sacrifice. i have leds everywhere. they are better. i was talking to secretary mavis from the navy. he was telling me how much money the navy saved by going to led lights on their carriers. when you want to change a lightbulb on a carrier, it is not easy. he explained that they last years instead of months and how much it saves. so i haven't sacrificed a thing but i have taken advantage of a lot. mike: my brother scott designs led diodes. have you heard of them? administrator mccarthy: no. you can tell me later. mike: they are available at home depot. [laughter] a couple of questions that you may have heard that i will ask you, what is your advice for a young person coming to washington from boston. what is your advice on how to succeed? administrator mccarthy: i would
give the same advice that i would starting out. make sure that you work hard. you understand the pace is fast. you have an ability to make decisions to the extent that you can. you take a risk in terms of wanting the next job to be one that you are not sure you can manage well, but will expand your horizons. mike: as you come up, what is a mistake you see people making? administrator mccarthy: that is a good question. one of the things i like to focus on, i like getting things done. i like getting things over the finish line. i think people underestimate that at every level of government, the higher you get the more there are hurdles and the more it is difficult. the more the bureaucracy can begin to take over and get in the way of the intent. you need to have -- you need to be dogged as much as possible. so view -- so you do not let the
hurdles get in the way of real progress. mike: an e-mail from my colleague. everyone gets too many e-mails. what do you do to manage it? administrator mccarthy: shifty your position. so your e-mails get changed. [laughter]unfortunately, i track my old e-mail as well. i do the best i can to limit my response to e-mails to ones where i really need to get fully briefed. i make sure my team works. part of the challenge of management is to not intervene in everything going on in the agency. to be very focused. i am a focused person. when i see something coming in on e-mail that is not a high
priority, i give it to my staff, trust them, and track it. i'm not doing other folks jobs. i have a great team. my management team is fabulous. my career staff knows what they are doing. it doesn't mean we do not have challenges but i could not be more proud of the people who work for that agency and i do not feel like i have to micromanage. mike: what role does faith play in your work? administrator mccarthy: it is a big deal. my faith gets translated in a couple of ways. i love people. which is why i try to recognize that i'm not taking it personally that i'm allowing another person to have a different opinion and respecting it. the delivery is a little difficult, but it helps me to realize everyone has a right to think differently.
that is what faith brings. i'm not criticizing anyone else i'm having my own belief care unit we all have our own idiosyncrasies. in terms of my work, my substantive work and choice of working for the environment, i think it was my understanding that the natural resources are a gift given to us and need to be protected. i always come from the human standpoint. i love natural resources in terms of the beauty and variety of species. iraqi has -- i recognize that is how we live. that is our health. if we do not protect it we are damaging our ability to live and be healthy. my faith is a big part of what i do for a living. i think the president has done a wonderful job at articulating the challenge of climate change and a moral context that will
engage the faith community. that is why i went to the vatican. to make sure the vatican new the united states of america was taking action. that the president had made a moral commitment and we wanted to work with them to make sure it was a message of urgency and hope. mike: what was the coolest moment at the vatican? administrator mccarthy: i had so many. i was privileged to go into the room of tears. we have the cardinal whose chosen to be pope, he goes from the sistine chapel to have a quiet moment -- before they -- it is not an oath of office. to take the pledge. [laughter] that is awful. i should've listened more
carefully. it was amazing to be there. all of the investments are kept there. you can see with the pope says prayers before hand it was very humbling and may be realize how long the journey the catholic journey has gone through -- how long the journey the catholic church has gone through, and how frightening it must've been to take on that challenge. it was very cool. mike: you have been on the daily show. administrator mccarthy: i have been. that was really scary too. it actually turned out to be fun. i was told not to be funny which for me feels like a cuts my right arm off. in any serious situation, funny things come into my head and i try very hard not to let them come out of my mouth. other times i enjoy it.
it turned out to be a fun opportunity. he is very funny. it is hard not to engage in -- engage with him in a humorous way. mike: the idea is to let the host be funny, right? administrator mccarthy: they said if you're naturally funny it is ok. i think i'm money, so it is ok. mike: you go to dunkin' donuts but you do not eat donuts. tell us your routine. administrator mccarthy: i love dunkin' donuts. i'm from massachusetts. that is the headquarters. i'm obsessed with it, but they should get away from the styrofoam cups. i will keep annoying them about it. when i was a little kid by mother was a waitress. when i was 13 she worked in a doughnut shop in town. one of the gifts when she was training me about how to work. she would get me up at 3:30 a.m.
me and my sister, and we would prepare the food in the back room with a coffee shop. one of the lovely things was making doughnuts. it is not a pretty picture to make doughnuts. it made me realize that they can be wonderful, but someone else should eat them instead of me. mike: so, what do you get? administrator mccarthy: coffee. just coffee. mike: we are about to get the hook, but i can't let you go without reminding you of the red sox fan motto. there is always last year. what is your optimism toward opening day? administrator mccarthy: we were last to first, now we have to do it again. i think we can. i won't make any specific
reductions because i'm still reeling in my march madness choices. not very good. mike: you have anyone left in your final four? administrator mccarthy: no. which makes it worse than not very good. mike: what is president obama like when you are around the table? administrator mccarthy: incredibly engaging. he is funny. he is more wonky that i ever thought he would be. he understands the substance of what is going on which makes it challenging, because i prefer bosses that don't. [laughter] administrator mccarthy: i'm just kidding. he is very personal. he is fun to talk to. mike: what have you learned from him about life, leadership, or management? administrator mccarthy: i think washington is the most challenging place in my career to not take things personally. for my entire career, i have kept my home life separate from
my work life. even in massachusetts. i don't think my husband knew anything i was doing except making money going to work, not making enough money, and being at work too long. now, everyone knows, and it makes it more challenging to he manages to keep a smile on his face and he manages to keep focused on progress moving forward. he reminds us constantly that this is the fourth quarter and there is lots of stuff you have to get done. >> when you head home to boston, you take southwest. >> i do, it is cheaper. >> your guilty pleasure is? cooking shows. >> yes, i love cooking shows.