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whatever they would be trading almost three times what it was. they would have tripled their money. they could have paid the pensions in full and got back to the 13th check at the end of the year in addition to the 12 year to. they could have fixed itself if there had been some sort of sober management going forward just like any organization. if you have some strong leadership you can resolve these problems. it takes a lot of effort. >> sunday night on c-span's "q&a." next c-span partners with the new hampshire union leaders for the news tapers -- the newspapers voters first four. all republican candidates were invited to take part. this is two hours.
>> >> gautier, welcome to the 2016 voters first republican presidential forum. this sponsored by the courier, the gazette, i heart radio and c-span. we want to thank the local sponsors no labels, americans for prosperity, live free or die, and saint anselm college. you will hear from 14 candidates this evening. with us is jeb bush, then carson christie,
fiorina, graham, kasich, pataki perry santorum, and walk. er. via satellite cruz, paul and rubio. welcome the moderator, jack. he is the host of "new hampshire today." moderater: thank you. there is a belief that the voters in the states and america deserve to hear from all of the chantix at the same time and answering the questions.
the time will be tight and we want to hear from everyone. we have asked the candidates to skip their intro so that we can get to it and the legend and the answers are you. >> rick perry was the governor of texas. moderator: thanks. candidate: howdy. moderator: we have responses from the voters and we focus here tonight on what was most important to them and the number one issues. topping the issues, immigration and the economy. what would your policy need towards illegal immigrants? candidate: the issue is what is
happening all over the land. the cost of immigration is on the states. until we get the border secure, it does not stop. like a serious wound you want to staunch the flow. some say that we will deal with the illegal immigration issue by reforming it and securing the border. of the american people do not trust washington dc to do with the issue -- washington d.c. to deal with the issue. i looked at the president and said, mr. president if you do not secure the border, texas will. they put them in the river and we deployed at the national guard. because of the effort, we saw the increase in
apprehension. it takes boots and security fencing. i'm talking from tijuana, el paso, and brownsville with technology to see the activity that is illegal or suspicious. i know how to secure the border. elect me president and i will promise you that the will to secure the border will reside in the oval office. moderator: illegal immigration until we get a handle on it, should we reduce the number of green cards? what should the number be? candidate: we need to be smart about it and they cannot even keep up with it.
we can find a package halfway around the world and we cannot keep up with the people who have overstayed visas. the agency's rogan and you need to fix the agency. -- the agency is broken and you need to fix the agency. you need to send it back. moderator: should we reduce the number of legal? candidate: i don't know. we need to find out where the people are illegally. get that taken care of and we will maskke a smart decision about whether we do or do not have visas handed out. moderator: the economy has 2% gdp. how can you make the economy grow faster than 2%?
candidate: i am more than a passable expert because the state of texas created more jobs than anybody in this room. one third of all of the jobs created in america occurred while i was the governor of texas with smart policies that let you keep more. we had public school policies that were accountable and said to the businesses that you find a skilled workforce in the state. it is intertwined with the energy policy. canada, the united states, and mexico have more resources than russia and saudi arabia and we can drive income tax down and create a renaissance in manufacturing. moderator: thank you.
>> rick santorum represented pennsylvania. moderator: should the federal government subsidize any economic sector? if so, which ones? candidate: i don't think we should be subsidizing. we should make them competitive. in pennsylvania, we talked about restoring the great center of america and getting americans back to work who have not been. .2% wage growth. it has stagnated with the americans from 25-65 who do not have a college degree and do not have manufacturing jobs anymore. we are down to 11 million. the line is going down.
if we do not allow the country to be competitive with the rest of the world, we will see decline. there is no hope for those who struggle the most. that is why the campaign is making manufacturing competitive and is putting a flat tax that will have a transition time for manufacturing. we will start at a 0% rate and we will go back. we will have repatriation cut to 5%. we will have expensing instead of depreciation. moderator: what percentage? candidate: 20%. i have an income tax, corporate tax, all 20%. moderator: speaking to the economy, in new hampshire, someone maxes out on public
assistance and that is $14 an hour. in massachusetts, $20 an hour. how to view incentivize people to go to work? candidate: i managed a bill on the floor of the senate that wanted to do things. we put time limits and a work requirement. we eliminated entitlement programs. i did that. i was the leader. we should have done it for snap and other means tested programs. next door, a germanic reduction. -- dramatic reduction. there has to be a 1-2 punch. there has to be jobs for those who want to work to get them off of the welfare programs. it is manufacturing and putting time limits and work requirements on welfare. moderator: and you believe the
president and the administration wants order security? candidate: i don't think they are serious about protecting working men and women. 35 million people have come to the country legally and illegally. that can be bad or good. we have never seen such decrepit wage growth. the people coming in legally and illegally are unskilled workers competing against our young men and women who want to succeed. we are not giving those people a chance. i'm the only person in this race calling for a @5% reduction -- 25% reduction in unskilled labor. everyone else's dancing around it. moderator: how do we do that? candidate: e-verify.
moderator: you ran before. are you glad to make the decision again? candidate: it was a tremendous opportunity. this time, it is better. last time, it was everybody saying they were more conservative than mitt romney. this time, it is the issues. >> john kasich was the governor of ohio. -- is the governor of ohio. moderator: what would you do with the sanctuary cities? we saw the murder of the woman by the illegal immigrants. johncandidate: it needs to be secured. there needs to be a worker program. they need to do it in a legal way. with the 12 million we need to find who they are.
if they are god-fearing, they will pay a penalty and have to wait. the ones where the 12 million who violate the law will have to be deported. at the same time, we need to make sure we protect who gets in and out of the country. when we put something into effect like that, no one should be confused. moderator: you are not a fan of nafta. candidate: if the american people do not get protected -- here is what i main. -- i mean. i have a friend in the business who says that it takes two years to find out if somebody is cheating. you cannot wait to years. -- two years. we need an expedited process.
if it makes sense, we go forward. we need to call them on it and take action. you asked about the economy and if i could speak on that, i was the chairman of the budget economy and our economy -- budget committee and the economy took off. we cut taxes and allen's the budget. -- balanced the budget. we cut taxes and we are in the black. cutting taxes, balancing budgets , it works to drive economic growth. moderator: tim asked about balancing the budget. he and his wife have to live within a budget in their household and he and his wife do not understand why washington cannot. the budget was balanced.
it has not happened. how is washington going to live with the same responsibility that people live with? candidate: we need a allen's budget amendment in the constitution. -- balanced budget amendment in the constitution, which i have in pushing for. we need balanced budgets for values. we do not have the right to live high on the hog and put the bills on our children. i spent years and we got it done. we can do it again. it is politically challenging. frankly, the effort to get there is not that complicated. i have written only 16 budgets
in my lifetime. these things can be done. they don't necessarily have to be done by killing or chopping programs. as president, my priority is to get us on a roadmap to create a balanced federal budget to get us going in america. >> lindsey graham was elected to the house and has served as a senator. moderator: the good evening. how do we maintain free trade that is fair trade? candidate: china is cheating and they manipulate currencies. we do not do a dam thing about it. -- damn thing about it. they cyber attack us. when i am president, we are pushing back on china.
my policy is clenched fist, open hand -- you choose. moderator: if it is president lindsey graham and you catch a country doing that, what you going to do? candidate: you hit back. you make them pay a price. china cheats in and steels. to putin, if i'm president, you have a different person to deal with. obama drew a redline against assad and china thought, "this is a weak guy. let's grab all that we can." i go to the negotiating table with a crowbar.
there are more terrorist organizations with more capabilities to destroy the homeland is 9/11. -- since 9/11. moderator: you mentioned vladimir putin. candidate: we should arm the ukrainians. we signed an agreement about the nuclear weapons that guaranteed sovereignty. who would do that? we take every bit of natural gas and exported to undercut putin. everyone talks about balancing the budget and spending money we are on the way to being greece. if you don't do this --
somebody in this country needs to do what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. i can give up social security benefits because i will have a military retirement, congressional retirement, i would take less. i want to be president to restore the great nation. i want to put radical islam in a box. i want to do the big things,. -- the hard things. moderator: the war of tomorrow -- candidate: we are worried about isis. moderator: it may be here today. if somebody takes out satellites and causes chaos here, as president, is that an act of war? candidate: to mean, it is an act
of war. what is the response? cut the military budget and have the smallest army since 1940? andneuter the fbi and cia? we need to hit them. hillary clinton is the last person you want to send into the arena with the russians. i have been dealing with this for 20 years. i am fluent in clinton. when bill says, i did not have sex with that woman, he did. when she says, i will talk about holding a pipeline, she won't. when she tells us we have all the e-mails, we have not scraped the surface. i understand this crowd. >> chris christie has served as
the governor of new jersey since 2010. moderator: thank you. i want to get to questions that hit home in new hampshire. should the president ever saying she the payment for the release of american citizens held captive? candidate: no. we cannot negotiate with terrorists. i fight against terrorism. i was appointed before september 11 and we encourage those people by doing that and cannot do it. moderator: republicans may not be great communicators like democrats. entitlement reform is a tough subject. medicare and disability are going insolvent or will be broke. americans may have to give up a
program they like. that is a tough message. how do you tell the truth? candidate: you have to have a concrete plan and you cannot speak in generalities. the spending is between -- americans understand we are mortgaging away the future and killing the programs. we are living longer and better life. that is a blessing. we need to increase retirement age. for those who are the most fortunate, we need to say to those, if you have done well in this country, we need you to not take a social security check. those are things that americans are willing to give. we underestimate the american people. there are challenges that promise a better future.
it is not the american people who are failing the entitlement system. they are not telling them the truth. moderator: veterans in new hampshire, we have one of the highest populations here and we do not have a full-time hospital. should every state have a full-time hospital? candidate: they should be able to take the veteran card and go to any health care provider and get treatment from them and should not have to wait. if they want to go to that hospital, good for them. we should keep the promise to the veterans and we are not because of the incompetence of this administration. let's get the v.a. to do what it needs to. we need to honor our veterans by
giving them the health care they deserve. moderator: one of the biggest health care crises is facing new hampshire. one asked me if i would ask you about this. a daughter passed away with a haireroin overdose. why is there not more help for these addicts turn to prostitution? candidate: there should be and there is in new jersey. they go to mandatory drug treatment because this is a disease and the war on drugs has been a well-intentioned failure. this is a moral failing. everyone has made a mistake. there, but for the grace of god,
go i. if you are not a violent offender and dealing drugs, we need to get you treatment. the fact that this could happen to anyone and that this is guided by sensitive economic standards, it is not. anyone can have this happen to them. we need a president who says that this is a disease that we need to fix. >> ben carson attended yale and received his m.d. from michigan. moderator: you have been one who has talked a lot about the affordable care act. or obamacare. the president says we can refer to it as obamacare. what do you replace it with? candidate: there is no question
that it needs to be replaced before it is repealed. you do not want to pull a safety net out from people. the reason i don't like obamacare is not so much because it does not work and because it is not affordable. it is because if flies in the face of what we are as a nation. it is for and why the people. -- by the people. obamacare comes along and the government says, we do not care what the whole think and we are shoving this down your throat. that is antithetical to the founding principles of the country. i would put the power back into the hands of the consumers with the savings accounts that are available from that ehe day you
are born until you die. you give people flexibility. if you are $500 short, you can give et it from your mom or uncle. virtually nothing is coming out other than catastrophic health care. the homeowners policy -- that would work well for a majority of people. not for the indigent. how do we take care of the indigent? medicaid. $400 billion to $500 billion. what could you buy with that? a concierge practice, most cost
between $2000-$3000 a year. think about this, washington says that you cannot give health savings accounts because they would not the able to manage them. they think everybody is like them. that is not true. they said that about food stamps. they would learn this. you do not go to the emergency room. people go to the clinic for the same treatment. they get the diabetes under control. you learn personal responsibility and we are doing things that teach that rather than dependency. moderator: and the senate, there was a vote on plant parenthood. -- planned parenthood.
candidate: taxpayers should absolutely not fund planned parenthood and the recent videos show the level of depravity that we have something to. -- sunken to. we have another question. what is your game plan to reform the tax code? moderator: mine is raised on who i believe is the fairest individual in the universe, god. he says, i want a tithe. there must be something inherently fair about proportionality.
jack: governor, is america doing enough now to prevent another major terrorist attack on u.s. soil and what security steps are we failing to take? mr. bush: i think we have let our guard down. it is typical when you have an attack like 9/11. we responded, had a security apparatus, and over time other things have come to the forefront. senator graham is right. this is a war against western civilization. these are barbarians. as isis stays in a caliphate literally the size of indiana in two countries, doing nothing allows them to send tweets out
to recruit people in our own country. we have a security threat that israel and we should do what we need to be doing, and protecting the homeland is the first duty of the president of the united states. jack: president obama referred to isis as the jv team. i think they have graduated to the varsity. if ground troops in syria could cut down isis strongholds, would you take the order? mr. bush: i would take the advice of the military very seriously. we need a strategy. this president has admitted we do not have a strategy when it comes to isis. the idea of boots on the ground -- i am not sure that is necessary, but special forces
embedding our troops with the syrian free army training them at a much faster rate -- we have spent half $1 billion to have 60 people ready to go. if this is a serious effort, we to treat it seriously, so engaging in the world, creating alliances with traditional arab nations, supporting it with air power and military power creating a strategy, and sticking with it. there needs to be a political element as well. the united states is not trusted because no one has a sense that we are going to be around. it is hard to engage with the turks, the jordanians, the saudis -- they will not make the commitment. jack: you said to me you started today in california -- a big country -- hard job running for president. you have been out of office and even your colleague senator rubio speaks highly of your time. what compelled you to run? mr. bush: i think we can grow
this economy at 4% and the fact that paul krug disagrees with me warms my heart. it would involve fixing the tax code, how we regulate, embracing the energy revolution with a north american strategy that would allow for high wage jobs to be created in our own country, and moving from a broken economic -- integration system to an economic driver. that allows us to solve entitlement challenges and many other things. in return grow at that rate we need a secure world. i think i have the leadership skills to do that. we cut taxes to $19 million reduced the government workforce by 13,000, 11%. we were one of two states to go to a aaa bond rating. i left with a $9 billion reserve. we created 1.3 million jobs during my time.
more small businesses were created in florida during those eight years. jack: on legal immigration, does the illegal immigration crisis or problem, should that affect the number getting in legally? mr. bush: i would cut it down to spice -- spouse and minor children. >> carly fiorina the former ceo of hewlett-packard, was the first woman to lead a fortune 50 business. jack: what is -- this is a personal but a professional question -- you have run for office or a top 50 ceo. one of the viewers wants to know what is the least popular action you have taken and what did you learn from it?
ms. fiorina: thank you for hosting this, and thank you for reminding the political class we do not have a nation -- national primary. i think one of the most difficult primaries we have is a leader is to challenge the status quo. in the bureaucracy, especially in washington dc, it is powerful, because people that have benefited from the status quo want to preserve the status quo, so when you challenge the status quo and say this problem has been festering for too long and we will fix it, or these folks have been in charge for too long, the truth is 80% of the american people now think we have a professional political class that is the status quo, and we have festering problems -- our budget gets bigger and bigger every year for 40 years
and we have been talking about illegal immigration. how long have we been talking about the border being insecure -- 30 years. how long have we known it was insecure -- 30 years. we talk a lot at election time, but somehow we never solve these festering problems. it is because the status quo is in charge. leaders challenge the status quo. jack: least popular action you took as a leader? ms. fiorina: philly popular actions are when you have to say to people we cannot afford this anymore and lord knows we need to do that in washington, d c jack: can you win with that message? ms. fiorina: people understand. the government has gotten bigger and bigger every year for almost 50 years. you have to invest in things that are priorities, securing the border, helping people eventually truly need help, and you need to quit spending money where you are wasting money, and we are wasting hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars
every year and we know where it is because there are reports that come out every year, they land on congress desk and nothing happens. jack: former first lady lady hillary clinton -- you have been a strong and steady critic. she will be testifying in a few months on benghazi, the e-mail -- d believe those are political inconveniences for the former first lady, or are there bigger issues the american people need to know about and are there potential illegal worries you have on the e-mail server or anything else? ms. fiorina: i think hillary clinton thinks they are political inconveniences, but they are far more than that. she lied about benghazi. they knew it was a purposeful terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11. she went to the american people and talked fiction about a videotape.
she has lied about her servers and the kinds of information she had on our server and why she kept everything on a single device. these go to the core of her character. in order to beat hillary clinton or whoever the nominee turns out to be, we have to have a nominee that will throw every punch because it is a fight for the future of this nation, for the character of this nation, and unfortunately, we know sometimes the right questions to not have asked in a presidential debate. jack: should planned parenthood received federal taxpayer funding? ms. fiorina: absolutely not. this is about the moral character of the nation -- not about whether you are pro-choice or pro-life. taking care of people that need our care is part of our moral fiber as well. >> governor bobby jindal was elected to the u.s. house of representatives in 2004 and has served as governor of louisiana since 2007. jack: governor jindal, if you
are the next american president i think most people would agree you would be coming into a divided america on race relations, income relations -- a lot of talk about who has how much money, and who does not and talk about what you do about that. how can unify the country? gov. jindal: i'm tired of the president trying to divide us. we are all americans. we're not hyphenated americans african-americans, asian-americans, poor americans -- we are all americans. the left likes to see ourselves as victims. it and if it's them as -- it benefits them as candidates. this president is trying to turn the american dream into the european nightmare -- make us more dependent on government. give bernie sanders credit. he is honest enough to call himself a socialist.
hillary clinton and barack obama are no better, but they are not honest enough to call themselves socialists. jack: making washington work for us again -- i guess there is this feeling that everyone would agree washington is not working for america, in fact, maybe working against us. you have a good story to tell. a few other governors have a good story -- balancing the budget, cutting the deficit, growing jobs -- how do we believe you can go to washington, if elected and change the culture to balancing budgets and making the american people feel good about the government again? gov. jindal: we have a lot of talkers. we need a doer. we cut the budget in louisiana by 26%. we have over 1000 fewer bureaucrats. eight credit upgrades. top 10 state for private sector job creation.
in dce, even the republicans talk about slowing the growth of federal government. that is not enough. we need to shrink the size of the federal government. do you measure prosperity in the government sector or the real world? hillary clinton measures that in the government sector. we measure it in the real world. secondly, it is also important that we get rid of the permanent political class in d.c. -- we need term limits. we have politicians that go there, it becomes a career. not only doing a term limits, we need to stop them from paying -- from being lobbyists. we need to pay them a per diem. make them live under the same rules. they love the obamacare until their exemption was taken away. jack: new hampshire decided against arming recruiters in our national guard or troops domestically as when they are abroad, as you know, they can
carry a side arm and protect themselves. should we be arming troops in new hampshire, your state in louisiana, at these basis and recruiting centers? gov. jindal: absolutely. i signed the executive order louisiana. our commander-in-chief, the president needs to do the same. we should not have these gun-free zones. the president said we're not going to beat isis with guns. we need to change their hearts and minds. i am glad the police officer in texas had a gun. if general patent and eisenhower said world war ii would be a propaganda war, the french would be speaking german. jack: i would like to take the president at his word that the iranian deal -- it is the only way to stop iran from getting a bomb. do you agree? gov. jindal: absolutely disagree. he has declared war on trans fats and a cease-fire with the largest state sponsor of terrorism.
a good deal would say no centrifuges, no enriched uranium, cutting off ties to hamas, hezbollah, terrorist groups. they have to free american prisoners. we will only gradually lift sanctions, not immediately. syria loves it. israel hates it. that is all you need to know. jack: thank you, governor. >> governor scott walker has served as the 45th governor of the state of wisconsin since 2011. jack: governor, is climate change related to human activity, and what steps if any should americans be taken to address climate change and i would like you to comment to the president's proposal today to cut carbon emissions 25% -- is that realistic? gov. walker: first of all, it is not a clean power plan, it is a costly power plan. it wou to the nation's economy. i am an eagle scout.
we were taught your campus site -- your campsite should be cleaner after you leave then when you found it. i want clean air, clean air, clean water, but i want an economy that my children and grandchildren can grow in. the proposal is a was saw to the nation's economy and we need a leader that will recognize the balance. jack: it was not long ago one congress looked at cutting the budget and they balked when sequestration came about. how could you lead and work of congress on both sides of the to cut spending and be specific in some areas of the budget that could and need to become. gov. walker: i inherited a budget deficit and we fixed it. we still reduce taxes by $2 billion on individuals, cut rates, reduced one of the brackets, actually on job creators, farmers, manufacturers, and others out there. property taxes are lower in my
state and they were watching years ago. i know how to balance the budget. it is a combination. it is through growth and reform. growth -- we laid out a multi-pronged plan to once and for all repeal obamacare applications and families back in charge of health care, raining and the sorts of things we talked about -- out of control regulations, and all of the above energy policy that allows us to use the abundance of what god has given us here, make sure everyone gets the education and skills they need, and to reform and lower the tax rates. on specific reductions -- a big part of reform is taking major portions of the federal government -- medicaid transportation, natural resources, others, take them back from washington and send them to the states. governors are much better at being more effective and efficient and accountable that managing those programs.
jack: you survived they recall you have a good story on balancing the budget -- you have a surplus -- how much? gov. walker: we started with $1 billion, use it to cut taxes and we have another budget that will have a cash balance again. the rainy day fund is 165 times bigger than we first took office. jack: in the process you have been known as someone that takes on the union --are you antiunion, anti-worker? gov. walker: i am pro-worker pro-taxpayer pay we gave workers the freedom to choose whether they want to be in a labor union or not. many chose to keep the money they use to pay for union dues to pay for their kids college education. we are pro-taxpayer. all the power treated in the hands of the elite union bosses. we redistributed that to the taxpayers. in our schools we no longer have seniority or tenure. we can hire and fire based on
merit. we can put the best and brightest in our classrooms. four years later, graduation rates are up, third-grade scores are up -- if it can work in a blue state like wisconsin -- if it was not too late for wisconsin, it is not too late for america. jack: biggest challenge you think you were successful on? gov. walker: taking on the budget in a way that focused on reform and not just austerity. if i would have just been about cuts, i probably would have been recalled but i focused on reform and growth and that made the difference. >> governor george package served as the 53rd governor of the state of new york from 1995 to 2006. jack: this comes from the live free or die alliance in new hampshire -- what federal agencies do you think should be eliminated? mr. pataki: let me start by saying we should get rid of obamacare, common core, and
reduce the size of the federal workforce by at least 15%. people are going to say how can you do that? i was governor in new york three times. i had an overwhelmingly democratic legislature and reduce the size of the workforce by over 50%. we reformed entitlements, cut growth in metal -- medicaid. we had over one million people fewer on welfare. one program i would repeal is obamacare. i would work to get democrats to support our conservative policies. i did that in new york. jack: do you believe the affordable care act can politically be repealed? mr. pataki: not only can it be repealed, i think it has to be repealed. it will get worse and worse.
not only is it hurting health care for americans, it is also one of the reasons the economy is not growing. i cannot tell you the number of employers i know that say we are going to keep the workforce below 50 so we are out from obamacare. there are millions of americans working 28 or 29 hours a week because obamacare would kick in if they worked 30. we have to put in place an alternative and i would sit down with enough democrats, as i did in new york, to have an alternative that allows us to repeal and repay it. jack: one group in new hampshire wasson of who is treated most unfairly by the u.s. cast -- tax code? mr. pataki: the veterans -- and not just by the tax code. our freedom depends on those who put their lives on the line to defend it. you have a health care system that denies them service where as many as one-third waiting in
line for treatment have died and an administration that lies about it is wrong to we have to reform the health care system for our veterans and do more for our mental health. on the tax code, the biggest killer there is for manufacturing. i grew up in a small town. i am the only one that worked in a factory when i was going through college. my factory -- my family all work in a fact repaired we have the highest tax on manufacturing in the world today, the worst regulatory climate for manufacturers. i have to lower the tax burden. that would allow the great workforce to compete and create jobs. by the way despite the bad policy and manufacturing while i was governor we were able to get over $20 billion in building computer chip factories in
upstate new york, great jobs. grow the economy, allow workers to have an opportunity to have solid careers and shrink the federal government. jack: what should the tax rate the? mr. pataki: four manufacturing, i would say 12%. energy costs are coming down. we have the best workforce and work ethic in the world and we have entrepreneurs risktakers. the federal government is the biggest single impediment. we can grow manufacturing jobs here. jack: on planned parenthood should taxpayers fund it? mr. pataki: planned parenthood has a horrific disregard for basic human life. i think they should be defunded. by the way, jack -- jack: we will get you in the next round. thank you, governor.
now, i believe joining us from washington are three senators who had to be at the capital this evening for an important vote. it was out of their control. they wanted to be here but we are happy to have them join us by satellite. i believe we are joined by our senators. we will start with senator rand paul. center, good evening. running for president in 1952, general dwight eisenhower famously said i shall go to korea. if you are elected president named the first foreign nation you will travel to? -- name the first foreign nation you will travel to. sen. paul: first of all, thanks for letting us appear remotely. i have been leading the fight to defund obamacare and i was lucky enough to get a vote on that this evening. as far as the first country i will travel to, i think it is important to engage in the world. even though sometimes china is
our adversaries, we do interact with these superpowers. i would say either china or russia. jack: how would you lessen college debt for millions of americans? sen. paul: i have a plan that would make it deductible. right now there are limitations -- i would say your interests and your principle ought to be deducted over your entire working career. since college is a working and spends, i would let you adopted over your entire working career and i think this makes more sense than the president who says this will be free. he cannot offer free education. i think timing and making deductions is a good idea. jack: should american citizens found to be fighting with isis have their u.s. citizenship revoked? sen. paul: yes, and in fact, you
really do not have any rights in the battlefield. you really do not have any rights and some have fought this those that are involved do not get to protest and are shot. we do get to process and -- and due process. what we did to african-americans pre-civil rights days, japanese-americans -- we have to be very careful that we not collect everyone's phone records without suspicion. i am glad we ended the president's illegal phone program and i think this is a better protection of the fourth amendment and the right to privacy. i am the one candidate that has to up to the president to say no
more, we will not let you collect our phone records indiscriminately. jack: senator what private information should the government collect to guarantee homeland security -- where do you draw the line? sen. paul: i think we should collect more information on terrorist, but less information on innocent individuals per we have a way to get information. you have to individualize suspicion, and most of the time you have been attacked, we have had the tip, but did not follow through. the 19th hijacker, we had information and we failed to get a warrant. it was not that it was denied. the boston bomber -- we had information, failed to pursue it. the same with the fort hood massacre. i think we can catch terrorists if we get more information on terrorists, but there is no evidence -- three bipartisan commissions say the information we are capturing
indiscriminately on all americans as an caught any terrorists, has not made us safer, it is damaged our bill of rights and our right to privacy. jack: senator paul, are you concerned that it might take some time to stop a bomb going off if you have to get that want? sen. paul: there are always imminent circumstances in which things can happen. if someone is screaming from a building, you do not stop to get a warrant. there is always been's -- there are always circumstance. for the most part, you need to get a want, and the question we have is about collecting all-americans phone records all of the time -- is that a good idea or a breach of our fourth amendment right for privacy question mark most of america agrees with me that the president went too far. this is a president that investigated tea party groups, use the irs to go after
conservative groups. i'm glad that i stood up on principle to say enough is enough -- we can catch terrorists, but in a collected -- targeted fashion. jack: thank you. senator ted cruz, arthur schwartz is in manchester tonight and he wonders what you're deal with iran would look like. sen. cruz: well, jack, thank you very much. thank you for allowing us to be here, we had to vote to defund planned parenthood, and i hope we see republican leadership lead the fight to get it done. let me answer the question because it is a very important one. i believe this obama iranian nuclear deal is the single greatest national security affect facing america.
if the deal goes through several things will happen -- first of all, roughly $100 billion -- over $100 billion will flow into iran. iran is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism. billions of it will go on to hamas, hezbollah -- it is very interesting. i pointed out a couple of weeks ago if this deal goes through the obama administration will become the world's leading global financier of radical islamic terrorists. in response, plastic president obama attacked me from -- president obama attacked me from africa and said that rhetoric was from over here. that is not rhetoric. it is the truth. if john kerry, hillary clinton and barack obama are responsible for spending billions of dollars to go to iran and that goes to
terrorists, the administration is responsible. beyond that, this deal leaves four american hostages languishing in iran. we saw one president that abandoned hostages in iran. we should not see another. this accelerates iran acquiring nuclear weapons. what should we do -- i have introduced legislation that would reimpose sanctions strengthen them, and lay out a clear path, a sensible path for he ran to lift me -- sanctions. they would disassemble centrifuges, hand over enriched uranium, shut down their program that exists for one purpose, and that is to carry a nuclear weapon to the united states of america, and they would cease being the world leading state sponsor of terrorism. over the next 60 days i will do everything i can to mobilize and energize the american people against this catastrophic deal
because i think it is a profound threat to the safety and security of america. jack: senator tom of new hampshire is from -- in the audience. tell us about a time your judgment has been tested in crisis and what you want us to appreciate about your judgment. sen. cruz: serving in the united states senate is an interesting expense. i have spoken a lot about what i call the washington cartel. what is the washington cartel -- it is career politicians in both parties that get in bed with lobbyists, special interests and they grow government. the american people are frustrated because we keep winning elections -- in 2010 we won the election in 2014, we won the senate, and we were have leaders that follow their commitment. i will tell you the sad reality -- my time in the senate -- what i've tried to do more than anything else is tell the truth
and do what i have said i would do. stand against the washington cartel and stand for the 27 million texans i was elected to represent. when you do that they beat the living daylights out of you -- smack you in the press, come after you on every front. democrats attack you, the mainstream media attacks you republicans attack you, but the only way we will turn the country around -- stop the spending that is bankrupting our kids and grandkids, stop the abuses on our liberty, is with a leader of the demonstrated history of standing up to the washington cartel. it is not easy, but we have seen it before -- ronald reagan, the reagan revolution -- with the american people at his back, he stood up to the washington cartel and turn the country around. that is what i will do if i am elected president. jack: thank you, senator cruz. senator marco rubio joining us
live from c-span. good evening. shouldn't medical marijuana being narrowly written law or is it ok to have conflicting laws in different states? sen. rubio: i do not support the legalization of marijuana. i understand that individual states are going through the debate about medicinal purposes. as long as it is for medicinal purposes and even at the national level it goes through the fda process at any other medicine would have to go through, that is something i'm going to explore. i do not support the legalization of marijuana or any additional intoxicant. this country is paying a significant price for the legal use of drugs and even alcohol which is legal. you talk about new hampshire -- one of the stories it is not been reported nationally is many of the people dependent on heroin today became dependent on prescription opiates and when it became difficult to acquire prescription opiates they
unfortunately became hooked on heroin and opium in the streets. i am not in support of legalizing something like medical marijuana. for medicinal purposes, if it underwent an fda process and was designed to be used as medicine, that is something i would be willing to explore. jack: if elected president, what would your product -- what would your solution before undocumented -- sen. rubio: i'm glad you asked that -- sorry -- jack: go ahead. sen. rubio: i do not think anyone would disagree that he needs to be fixed, but it cannot be fixed in one massive piece of legislation. there is only one way forward and it requires three steps -- we have to prove illegal
immigration is under control. it is not good enough to say we are going to pass a law that will bring it under control -- people demand to see it. they want to see the fence completed. they want to see more border agents. they also recognize that over 40% of the people in this country illegally entered legally and overstayed a visa. that is why we need electronic verification systems that employers must comply with and we need systems at our airports. that is the key to unlocking the ability to make progress on anything else. once we have done that, the second step would be to modernize the legal immigration system. we are the most general -- and generous country in the world admitting over one million people legally, we do so on the basis of whether or not they have a relative living here. we cannot afford to do it that way anymore.
in 21st century, legal immigration must be based on merit -- what you can contribute economically, basically, whether you're coming to be an american as opposed to simply living in america. once we have done those things, there is a reasonable way to address the fact that there are 12 million people living in the country that are illegally here but have been here for a long time. they will have to pass a background check, pay fine, learn english, and in exchange they will get a work permit that allows them to legally work in the united states and travel and that is all they will have for an extended period of time and at some point can have an extended conversation about a green card, but that is the only way forward at this point. jack: senator, how would you address the mood or morale of the dates or americans -- the economy is not growing, the budgets and the deficits are mounting, we have threats abroad -- how and why is america where
it is at right now, and what is the reason for it? sen. rubio: that is actually the fundamental question of this election. this nation is at a pivotal moment in its history. the world around us is changing and we need to decide what kind of country will be in the 21st century -- we will be in the 21st century. the economy is rapidly changing. the largest retailer, amazon does not own a single store. the largest hospitality company airbnb, does not own a single hotel room. uber does not own a single car. we live in a world that is rapidly changing -- china is taking over the south china sea -- russia is threatening the unity of europe and nato. iran is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons and delivering it to the united states.
radical jihadists have spread across multiple continents and some are located in the united states. the result is it makes people feel insecure because they recognize the old ways of doing things no longer work but no one is outlining the way forward. what we need is leaders that understand the new era and have clear ideas that i have offered about how to modernize policies that fully benefit from the opportunities the new economy and ideas on how to restore not just american prestige, but military power, the ability to stand with allies anticipate crisis before develops and threatens the safety of our people. jack: we need to move on to round two and these shorter questions that we hope will show differences. we hope each candidate will have 30 seconds to say whatever they want to you, the voters, in hopes of winning your support. we will stay with our guests in washington and senator rand paul. senator paul, your father -- do
we still have our senators -- your father was well known in the early states. he campaigned quite a few times. libertarian, contrarian, someone call your dad -- how would you define your political philosophy and what drives you as a senator and a possible president? sen. paul: i'm a constitutional conservative. i believe government should leave the individual alone for the most part. the only powers given to the government were enumerated in the constitution and the rest of the rights are left to the people. i think war should be seen asked a last resort, not the first resort. that is what reagan believed. i will do whatever it takes to defend the country, but i am not eager for war and i will always love judiciously and in a personal way as to whether we go to war. i know a young man that lost
both arms and a leg and i do not think we should go to war as a game of risk. i will look at war is something we have to do on occasion, but i would say it should never be the first resort, but always the last resort. jack: we will give you 30 seconds for anything you want to say to the voters in new hampshire and our national audience. sen. paul: i'm a different kind of republican -- i think we need a new gop. i am a republican that is leading hillary clinton five states won by president obama and that is because i've been going to detroit, chicago, philadelphia, ferguson, with a message that liberty, low taxes will help progress, and a flat tax rate will bring jobs back and if we bring -- ring down regulations, america will be great again. the message is resonating.
i am also for criminal justice reform. we need to have justice where everyone is treated the same under the law. if we did that, we will win the independent vote again. i am the only republican leading hillary clinton in pennsylvania. i embrace that i am different from other candidates, we have not been winning and if we try the same thing over again, we're not going to win. i am someone that will put forward a plan in the message that is distinct. jack: senator ted cruz, would you agree that republicans might have been blamed for the affordable care act because it did not come up with a sliver for the americans that did not have health insurance. i want to know your thoughts on that and are there any parts of the afford the character you take are worth keeping? sen. cruz: there is no doubt we
need common sense of care reform. i think it ought to expand competition, empower patients and disempowered government bureaucrats from getting in between us and our doctors. the best way to do tha are three concrete ideas, number one, allowing people to purchase health insurance across state lines so that you can have true national marketplace and low cost catastrophic health insurance. number two, as dr. ben carson talked about, expanding health savings accounts so that you can save for more routine health needs and number three, working to make health insurance affordable -- the linking it from employment so that if you lose your job your health insurance stays with you. everyone of those in power station empowers. insurance company set for premium increases of 51% iowa 30%, south carolina, 33%.
mines of americans have lost their jobs, health care -- i have been proud to lead the fight, to stop obamacare immunized the senate against the washington cartel and there are a lot of politicians in washington that have largely given up. they do not believe obamacare can never be repealed, including, sadly, a fair number of republicans. i don't believe that. i intend to make 2016 a referendum on repealing obamacare and if i'm elected president we'll repeal every word of obamacare and pass common sense health insurance reform to make it personal portable and affordable. jack: senator, you now have 30 seconds. sen. cruz: 58 years ago, my father fled cuba. when he was standing on the deck of the boat, looking back imprisonment and torture in cuba, he looked forward to the incredible freedom this nation
provides. his story is all of our stories. the fundamental d.n.a. of what it means to be an american is we are the children of those that risked everything for freedom. that is in jeopardy. men and women, their lives are hard jeremy lin under -- under the disaster that is the american economy. i believe in america. if we can believe again and come back to the free market principles and constitutional liberties that made america great, we can turn the country around. i believe 2016 is going to be an election like 1980. as ronald reagan said, we will win by painting in bold colors not pale pastels. that is what this election is about -- reigniting the promise of america. jack: thank you.
senator marco rubio, senator paul said the government is going too far trying to collect data and information on terrorist activity, even against individuals if they were innocent. do you think he made an effort to do that, to get away with the data mining made the country safer or less safe? do you also, second part of this, do you trust no one in the government will misuse phone and internet records? sen. rubio: let me say as a member of the united states intelligence committee. on a daily basis i review the on a daily basis i review the threats coming at our country. we are living in a period that is more dangerous than any we ever lived through before. all the attention paid to isis is not just isis, al-qaeda still exists and is an organization looking to remain relevant and the best way for them to remain relevant is to conduct a devastating attack the united states, there is a front growing in power in syria.
some are plotting attacks against the united states and our allies and interests. they are engaging in trying to recruit and inspire radicals in our own country to kill americans and attack our interests here and abroad. these risks are serious. they are not a game. in my mind it is not a question of if we're attacked, it is a question of when. when we are the american people will want to know why didn't we know about it and why weren't we able to stop it. we need every tool at our disposal. we have lost information we used to have. in the last four years, i have seen us lose access to information because of unauthorized disclosures that have made it easier for terrorists to evade us. do i believe that this information could be used for wrongful purposes? if they do, they should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. if it ever does, we have laws for that. people should go to jail and be convicted and put away and punished for having done it.
i can tell you the threats to america are real. we better take them seriously or we will answer for it. jack: senator, you have 30 seconds. sen. rubio: thank you for this opportunity. you know, a decade ago, two decades ago my mother was a maid and my father a bartender. i'm a candidate for the highest office in the land. the journey i made is the essence of the american dream. that is what makes america different. it is what makes america special. the reason i'm running for president is because i want us to be that country. i want us to be the country where people can do for their parents or children what my parents did for me. that's why tonight i ask everyone watching for your vote. together, not only can we save and rebuild the american dream but leave for our children a new american century. jack: thank you.
our senators in washington, now back to the candidates here in new hampshire. >> dr. ben carson written eight books and was on the board of directors for kellogg company and costco. jack: welcome back. dr. carson: thank you. jack: some say the two biggest responsibilities of a president is deciding when to send troops to war and naming a supreme court justice. i would like to ask about the latter. what kind of person would you pick as a supreme court justice. dr. carson: i would be extremely interested in their past judicial history. interestingly enough, you don't have to be a lawyer or a judge to be a supreme court justice. your history tells a great deal. you know, using litmus tests using questioning, probably will never get you to where you need to be. looking at what they have done before, making sure they truly
understand the constitution, and what their role is in the judiciary would be very important. jack: as you look ahead in this process and all the republicans running, how important is an event like this for you when you can come to a state like new hampshire and be part of this versus a national event where they are looking at national early in the process and do you worry about that and also big money in politics. what has to change for americans to feel that they, voters like tonight, actually are being heard and responded to versus other interests? dr. carson: i think these kinds of forums are obviously very important. particularly for individuals like me, 50% of america still doesn't even know who i many a. probably a little better after
tonight. we will continue with that. and i am absolutely thrilled to have an opportunity to let people understand that our country was designed, of and for and by the people. there was never any intention that the people who are our representatives should have to be of the political class. they can come from any class. i appreciate the work that many of my colleagues have done as governors and senators and other representatives, but the fact of the matter is the experiences that made america to a great nation came from a whole broad spectrum of people and it is our talent and our ability as people that will make this a great nation once again. jack: in the first round you were touching on tax reform. a moment on that, or a second before you go to your 30 seconds if you want to finish the thought. dr. carson: a lot of people talk about a guy that made ten billion dollars and paid a billion. he still has nine billion left. we have to take his money. that is called socialism. that doesn't work well. what makes america great is that
we have the opposite attitude. we say let's encourage risk taking and capital investment so next year he can make $20 billion and put two billion in and grow the pot for everybody. jack: 30 seconds. dr. carson: our nation is in a lot of trouble. we have tremendous divisiveness going on. there is a war on women, income war, age wars, religious wars. you name it, there is a war on it. we have fiscal irresponsibility that threatens to undermine our foundation and destroy the future for our children. we have a failure to lead, which allows other forces to get in there to grow and to threaten our future. we need to recognize that these are american problems. they are not democrat or republican problems. jack: thank you, dr. ben carson.
>> during his tenure, scott walker eliminated wisconsin's $3.6 billion budget deficit without raising taxes. jack: do you support raising the eligibility for social security benefits if it is raised over time. gov. walker: i think for my age, for my generation and those younger, we'll have to make reforms going forward. it is part of the process that when you look at things like medicare, social security, you need to protect those for people at that age. for medicaid, it is something that needs to be sent back to the states without strings attached where it can be done more effectively. gov. walker: i asked a few of your colleagues, can you win
this election against the democratic nominee and be truthful about entitlement reform when some critics say you are anti-senior, anti-kid, anti-human, to save some of these programs that are going bankrupt? gov. walker: i won three elections in four years. the last two i won after a lot of people were upset on the democrat side of things. we did it by making big bold actions and got results. i would love to go against whether it is hillary clinton or joe biden, i'm a new fresh face haves a name from the past. i'm from outside of washington with a proven track record. i have gotten things done in a blue state. thank you for hosting. it is great to be back in new hampshire. we are blessed to have a wonderful group of republicans running for president. sometimes people ask me what makes me different. i fought and i won. i don't win three elections in four years. we won on the big issues. we balanced the budget, cut taxes, defunded planned parenthood long before these videos and we put the power in the hands of the people. if we can do it in wisconsin it
is not too late there and and certainly not too late for america. i ask for your vote. >> during rick perry's time as governor, texas created almost 1/3rd of private sector jobs in the united states. jack: governor perry, in the past you mentioned cutting federal agencies. we talked a lot about the debt the size of government not working for the rest of america. what specifically, what agencies would you either eliminate or cut? gov. perry: i heard this question before. i think it is -- when you look at the federal government, obviously when we talk about the size of it and the concept of being able to shrink the size of state government. if anybody gets on the stage whether any of these candidates here or anybody on the left that says there is any way to go forward in this country without cutting and without growing,
those are the two things that we must do in this country. we have to cut spending. i know a little bit about cutting spending. we had a $10 billion shortfall in 2003. we went in and made the cuts. we told people we would do that. we realize that's how you have to live your life. the government has to learn to do it as well. the states that have been successful, governors have done that and made successful cuts. we cut the $10 billion out and cut the regulatory laws down. we had sweeping tort reform. we had health care explode across texas. two years later, we came back into session, we only meet every other year for 140 days, we had an $8 bill budget surplus. that's what you can do in this country. i believe in this country. i believe if you put those principles in place, the greatest days of america are in front of us. jack: governor perry, i heard several primaries that pick, people want to run for president with good intentions and say we need to reform the tax code. it is too complicated. can we reform the code?
gov. perry: we can. we start with the corporate tax code. there are two things to make growth occur in this country. as i said earlier, it is with american and north american energy policy. i'm talking about all energy policy in this country and all domestic energy sources. we need to be using those because you drive down the cost of electricity by this abundant power we have. couple that with this corporate tax. you lower the corporate tax policy or corporate tax rate by 10%. every accountant will tell you that you will see a mid level wages increase between 5 and 10%. the other side of that is it is incentive to manufacturers. we can bring back manufacturing in this country like you have never seen before. blue collar workers ought to say "perry, i'm going to vote for you because you will raise my wages." that's what this is about.
we are going to lay out a positive message for the people of the country, where they see the best days of america are in front of us and it happens by using domestic energy and creating a climate for manufacturing like we've never seen in this country before. jack: will you have an individual tax reform plan? gov. perry: we'll lay it out. listen, you have to cut. you have to cut. whether it is cutting spending or tax rates, that is part of it. if you don't see the growth side of that with it, you're not paying attention. jack: you have 30 seconds. gov. perry: the greatest days of america are in front of us. i believe that with all my heart. i'm an optimist about the future of this country. i understand it. i have seen what we have done before. i think about 1979 and this country was on its back. we had a president that was hollowing out the military. we had an embassy that had been taken over in teheran.
but ten years later, ten years later, we saw the berlin wall fall and soviet communism on its way out because we elected a president that believed in this country and said that when america is strong the world is safer. we made it through two world wars and a depression. we made it through jimmy carter, we'll make it through barack obama. trust me. [laughter] jack: thank you, governor. >> governor jindal's education reform efforts cut the number of failing louisiana schools in half while the high school graduation rate reached and all-time high. jack: governor, when people run for president, they say the first executive order i will sign, i'll ask the question, what are the first two orders you would push through or sign? gov. jindal: the first thing we can do is get rid of the unconstitutional executive orders, granting amnesty. we have to get with the joint commanders and announce to the world america is coming back. we'll stand with our allies like israel and deter our enemies. we will tell iran they cannot be a nuclear power.
we will not allow russia to come in eastern europe. we have a lot to do domestically. we have to repeal obamacare, energy independence, a lower tax code. we have to reign in the e.p.a. we have to repeal illegal amnesty and meet with the military, say we won't hollow out the military, america is coming back. our alleys can trust us again. jack: there are things in this day and this age called super pacs. some candidates have one. i think an individual contribution may be $25 or $2700 someone can give your campaign do you think these super pa.c.s where you can give $10 million are good, okay? should there be change on campaign finance? gov. jindal: i'm glad this is an
election, not an auction. i'm glad the voters of new hampshire, iowa, and the other states pick the nominee. i'm for free speech. i'm not for limiting free speech. when it comes to campaign finance reform, the best thing is disclosure. let folks know who is giving the money. i don't think the candidate with the most money wins. i think hillary clinton may have two billion dollars. i think the american people are smart enough not to elect her as president of the united states. jack: you have 30 seconds to say anything you would like. this is the most important election of our lifetime. is about america getting off the path. you heard a lot of great talk. we have a great talker in the white house. we need a do or, not a talker. we can't afford more years of training. i have the bandwidth to get you through this. i'm asking you to
join a cause. 14 let us believe in america again. let us give more opportunities to our children than we inherited from our parents. a lot of candidates are running that are great talkers, we've had seven years of a great talker. let's elect a doer. god bless y'all. thank you very much. had seven years of a great talker. let's elect a doer. god bless y'all. >> during his tenure in the senate, senator graham cut entitlements. mr. heath: senator graham, john mccain was on my show on friday, touting our foreign policy experience. i think he said of all the candidates running you have the deepest experience. mr. graham: when he is right, he is right. not always, but when he is right, he is right. mr. heath: let's put that to the