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guest: global warming is real and we have had global warming since the end of the last ice age. apertures have been going up. they have been going up in the 1979 to the end of the 90's, they went up faster than they had been going up. they have slowed down dramatically depending on which endpoint to pick and whether you look at satellite or service temperatures. they are either totally flattened or they have shipped -- slowed down a lot. is warming, what we don't know is how dramatic and is and how bad is going to be if it is bad at all. host: moving forward what do you think is the best remedy? guest: the best remedy is that we don't know what is going to be the challenge. if we have the most vibrant, robust economy we will best be able to handle whatever those challenges are. we want a strong economy to
respond, whether it is relocating villages, being prepared for madmen with nuclear weapons, it is just depressing to see the huge poverty problems in the world. we want to see strong economic growth. the bestfortunately scientists we have just released this earlier this year, showing a steady increase in worldwide in temperature over the next 25 years contrary to what you said. and in fact, as a matter of fact, the world's best scientists, including from the national academy of sciences, from noaa, from nasa, all agree that climate change is real. it is here. nasa is the agency that can shoot off a rocket and have it .ome right by pluto they are the ones that are warning us about climate change.
there is some uncertainty about climate, which is to say, just like smoking, i can't tell you how many cigarettes you have to smoke before you get lung disease. doubt, smoking cigarettes will lead to lung disease. not in everybody, but it will. how many cigarettes? we don't know. same with climate change. pump carbonue to dioxide and other pollutants into the atmosphere, mobile sector is warming. some of the best scientific institutions across the world have all said this and we have seen the impact. for example in the last 20 years know what came out and said -- noaa came out and said the level has risen. we are seeing flooding in miami now. climate change is real and it is caused by humans. host: i will give you both credit because you both came prepared with your charts.
the you have a different chart? guest: i have a different chart. i would like to show mine. dan got to show his. nasa putting people on the moon and doing all these wonderful things, however if you look at the nasa generated temperature from their satellites, which cover the whole world, and not just this study which used the from old engine input on ships, for some reason that is the only way they the last 10rming in years. if you look at the satellite data it is very clear. it goes up and down and up and down. it has been static for the last 10 or 15 years. that is the nasa data that i handed you. then --plain to me guest: explain to me then, why have nine of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the past 10 years? now we are on track in 2015 to
have an even hotter your? the reality is -- guest: can i answer your question? guest: no. atmosphererer, scientists at university of california at berkeley, he was a skeptic. he got money from the koch brothers. he concluded not only is the planet warming, but it is caused by humans. you would be hard-pressed to find a climate scientist who has your -- guest: he did not say anything to contradict what i said. he simply found that it is -- there is warming and some of it is caused by humans. you said can i find credible scientists? started this data, they have found that there has been no significant warming for the past 15 years. that is pretty straightforward. we get two different
perspectives on the issue of global warming and climate change. the white house releasing this youtube video in advance of the president's trip to alaska. [video clip] hi everybody.a: later this month i going to alaska and i am going because alaskans are on the frontline of one of the greatest challenges we face the century. climate change. climate change once seemed like a problem for future generations, but for most americans it is already a reality. droughts, longer wildfire seasons. some of our cities even flood at high tide. in alaska the hunting and way of that has been a life and jobs for generations are threatened. as alaskan permafrost melts, some towns are sinking into the ground. naturalonal --
treasures are at risk. while i am there i will meet with americans were dealing with climate change every day and i will talk with other nations about how we can tackle this challenge together. i hope you will follow along at ouse.cov/alaska. this is not just a preview of what will happen if we don't take action, the alarm bells are ringing. as long as i am president we believe world to meet this threat before it is too late. host: your reaction, your response? guest: the president has been saying things that are's simply not true. -- are simply not true. the glaciers are retreating but they have been the last ice age. this is nothing new. sometimes they speed up, sometimes they slow down. we are not heading to a catastrophe. a chartance, here is from the national oceanic and
atmospheric administration. it is something called the palmer hydraulic. -- on that there is no the upper part that is where it is wet. on the lower part that is the drought. the worst drop by far, the dust bowl the 1930's. the governmental panel on climate change says the same thing. no trends droughts, no transit hurricanes, no trend in tornadoes. host: one other issue involving the president. he allowed drilling off the coast of alaska. guest: we are very disappointed. we believe the ecosystem off the coast of alaska is far too fragile.
there is not the onshore recovery facilities. facilities inse the gulf coast when we had the bp horrible oil spill five years ago. there is nothing like that on the short in northern alaska, none of the infrastructure to help recovery should there be a blowout. we are very disappointed. and if you look at his overall record, he has been one of the greatest leaders trying to address climate change and we have ever seen. occasionally he strikes out. host: we appreciate your passion for the issues. we know our viewers want to weigh in as well. let's keep our answers brief so we can get as many as possible. we begin with mike joining us from florida, republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i have a couple quick things i wanted to get over. i have seen mr. weiss on television speaking be the untruths. agome or you, not too long
medical doctors prescribed or endorsed cigarette smoking. just because someone says they are scientist, you really have to look and see where they are coming from. the majority of scientists, there is the 97 percent figure that is often pulled out, that is a lie. anyone who wants to get involved at looking at the numbers rather than reading the rhetoric or propaganda can find that. understand, there was a global warming. during the last ice age. if iwere correctly -- remember correctly there were no co2 emissions about time. there is also across the solar system right now the same trends in atmospheric temperature increases that you are addressing. i am pretty sure there is no one driving cars on jupiter. the theory is, and it is not a consistent concept throughout the scientific community, that andossibly is sunspots
solar flares and those sort of things. when you look at the solution the extreme environmentalists are offering, they are pushing -- and trade that are from host: i will stop you there. we'll get a response. guest: first of all the caller mentioned the ice age. in fact there are is more carbon dioxide in our atmosphere than there has been in the last 800,000 years. second, he mentioned that 97% of scientists who have written. reviewed studies about climate change over the last 20 years, included -- concluded that climate change is real. 97% of those studies that were peer-reviewed concluded that. you 97 doctors tell me
better have that funny love on your lung checked out, and three say don't worry about, who are you going to listen to? and 97, not the three. the caller talked about cap and trade. you would be surprised to learn that cap and trade was invented by the ronald reagan administration. there the first ones to ever use cap and traded to reduce lead in our gasoline. it worked. it got as gasoline but at a much cheaper cost. that it was used to reduce sulfide dioxide pollution from power plants. atin, the reduction occurred one third of the cost that was predicted and 1/10 of the cost that the industry said. cap and trade was introduced by reagan and use more about bush. that is not the only way that people have to get reductions. there are efficiency manager -- measures, fuel switches. we need to reduce the carbon pollution now before levels in
our atmosphere is sore beyond anything we have seen in the last several thousand years. host: you can get more information by logging onto the league of conservation voters website. it is lcv.org. of course there is also the heritage foundation, heritage.or g. this is don. don, good morning. carle will move on to joining us from illinois. good morning. caller: good morning. the great moral philosopher yogi berra once said it is hard to make production, especially about the future. i oftenhe things that have an conversation with people who believe in climate science is i say to them, you think that earth is going to warm don't you? and i say prove it. science is climate not really science. it's modeling.
you build a model and you protect the future. but of course it is impossible to prove. science is really about testing hypotheses which you are able to prove or disprove. these aren't really science and to say that the science is settled is completely preposterous. it is not science, it is model building. host: thank you. david kreutzer your response. guest: yes. state --ok at the icc iccc, the doom and gloom productions are from modeling projections. ccc,, they have an ensemble of models. they can't even narrowed down to 10. if you plug those models in and from aboutng them 1990 and compare them to actual temperatures, right now the projections are so out of range
that with 5% certainty you can say the models are not describing what is going on. the temperatures are less than half of what the projection was. that there is no impact from co2, which i think is wrong, are actually making more accurate production than models. guest: it's interesting. just like we don't know how many cigarettes europe to smoke before you get lung disease, we don't know how much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will lead to how much temperature rise. but we are already seeing the impact of climate change which is, for example, two inch sea level rise over the last 20 years. there are glaciers on lands that are melting and straining into the ocean. quick --ls show slower glacial melts and we are actually were observing. the reality is, yes, we could
wait until we have exact, 100% proof, but by that time it will be too late to act because there will be way too much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. then we will be in a whole lot of trouble. invest iny we need to clean energy, create jobs, lower energy prices and buy insurance policies in case the 97% of the scientists are wrong and the 3% of scientists are right. host: 10 years ago we thought happened with hurricane katrina, one of the deadliest and most costly storms in the u.s. mainland. guest: we can look at the trends. i have a chart here -- excuse me, i do not have the one on hurricanes but if you go to noah's site and look with the latest report, over the last century, there has been no trend in hurricanes.
yes, we are going to have a record-breaking hurricanes with without co2 emissions. they're not going to stop regardless of what we do, so we can have talks about we don't know how many cigarettes cause cancer, but right now, we are not seeing any increase in hurricane activity. we are not seeing any increase in strength, they go up and down, up and down and the 1970's were a more violent that gave them we have had lately and we currently have had the longest drought in the recorded history of the united states of category three or higher of a hurricane making landfall, over eight years, i think nine years. that will stop. when it does, dan is going to say, see, we have global warming. cornelia is next from idaho on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i probably have a little bit of a different take. i just would quickly mention that i have heard at least that
iceland or greenland at one time was habitable and much more warmer than it is today back in the 1200s or 1300s, something in that neighborhood and that the earth was much warmer back in, so i do think there are trends that go up one way and they go down another way and it is all natural. i have also heard that i think canada, the actually added more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere than any human pollution ever could or advertise at this time. i do think that so much as a is calledming, now it climate change because they realize global warming has slowed down. it is actually politically motivated. there is something called club of rome, a global ink tank. they have admitted to using global warming as an impetus to reduce the population of the world. host: thank you. dan weiss? caller: i don't know anything
about the club of rome, but i do know that the caller is partially correct which is that in places with lots of organic land are like the peapod northern candidate or northern alaska or siberia where they are frozen tundra's, as the earth thaw, those areas will and release carbon pollution, and that will heat up the planet and they will fall even more. it is a self reinforcing cycle and that is a real danger. it has not happened yet, but it is in the process of happening which is why we need to reduce u.s. and world light and missions. first, we have to do if you. we are traditionally the largest polluter in the atmosphere and we have to reduce our emissions and we need to work with other countries to get them to reduce their pollution as well which is also underway. go to an underlying issue which is the cost of clean air rules. kelly trust the epa to give us an accurate estimate of what these costs are because the
supreme court disagrees? caller: look at your tax, no ideas of radical, but they detected a study and found that the claim power plant that would require utilities for the first time to reduce the carbon pollution. right now, carbon pollution is completely uncontrolled and they can use as much of it and we will save the american homeowner about $45 billion in net electricity costs by 2030. $45 billion according to georgia tech. not according to the epa. i think that is a pretty credible idea that we are going to save, but the other thing is the market is not free if other people have to pay the cost of activity. right now, if you use utility that puts carbon pollution and that was becoming you do not pay the cost of that but other people do in terms of health
early, immortality -- mortality or death, wildfires, another record wildfire season which is expected to get six times worse as the planet warms, all of these and other things are unpaid costs of climate change. society is hanging and it is keeping the price of the dirtiest electricity artificially low. caller: i've got to on -- guest: i got to weigh in on the bunch. first, you talk about georgia tech in their study. , energy information administration, has already modeled the impact -- this is the obama administration's department of energy, their modeling of the impact of the clean power plan shows that over the decade of the 20's, there will be lost income of one taurean dollars. they will be years in the 20's isn the employment shortfall 500,000 jobs, they will lose 500,000 jobs, and $1 trillion. this is not the denier scientist
or the power companies, or the koch brothers. this is the department of energy's own estimate. second, dan constantly -- caller: what are my ills -- guest: one of my house? e myi ills? that's an insult. guest: ok, not your ills. thinking of carbon dioxide, a powerless and odorless gas say it is the same thing as said, why do they say that? people were getting a bit about global warming and the polls show that it comes in last in terms of environmental worries. what is first is clean air and clean water, so they have interesting carbon dioxide to look like soot because they know people do not care about the degree of warming but they do care about soot. he says andhat others say, we have had policies
for decades and decades controlling soot emissions. producescoal plant less admissions than the plants we had decades ago. dan will probably jump in and say yes, because of the clean air act which counters what he said earlier that we do not control it. host: let's get to jim from indiana. another half-hour for a chance to weigh in. guest: my wife went to indiana university. host: jim, good morning. caller: good morning. how are you folks this morning? i have a couple points i would like to make. i am old enough to remember back in the 1970's and almost every publication like "time," "newsweek," that the ice age was coming, ok? so, i would like to know what the scientists were thinking back then. number two, i think the sun controls our weather here.
i think we have nothing to do with it. number three, i think this is all just a money grab by a politicians who want to tax the people of america and the world because we all know what china is -- we all know that china is not going to go along with this. host: there was a number of thing that the -- guest: there is a number of things that the caller has misperceptions about. first about, it was study by several people and evolved in the early 1980's and "newsweek" retracted their story a couple of years later, so that was debunked. thatve never had a problem hasn't received more studies for more scientists than climate change. going to the clean power plan, epa has found and predicted that there will be net job growth. job growth of 100,000 jobs. annually, we would do's debt by
3600 dollars and prevent 90,000 asthma attacks a year. the next benefits are going to be 45 billion dollars annually. we were hit 25 years ago talking about controls on acid rain, opponents would have said the same thing that dave is saying that it will cost too much, it will cost jobs. in fact, none of those things happened. the cost came in about one quarter of what people predicted. we saved tens of thousands of lives and have had net benefits of about $30 for every dollar in none of the naysayers predictions have actually come true. go back just a few years ago, the administration -- the obama administration missed control on mercury pollution and neurotoxins from power plants for the first time ever. the chamber of commerce said they would cap rolling blackouts -- has that occurred? they said we will lose jobs in indiana, in fact, there are 100,000 more people working when we made the prediction. we have heard this song and
dance before. it has always been wrong and it will be wrong again. host: dan weiss and david kreutzer. steve is next from ohio. the democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. there are so many points here. let me start with a big one. several of the panelists and the questioners have pointed out the point of the ice age business. let me just say that we are in the ice age now, the interglacial period. let's just get that point going to start with. secondly, i think dave has brought up the point that he brings up some selected charts and makes a proclamation that there is no trend, there is no climate change. well, that is a fine prediction on his point but then he says the other side cannot make predictions with models, so
dave, you cannot have it both ways. you cannot say others cannot -- notcan't say others can predict and then predict. they say, well, these scientists are model builders and are not really know, you're the barest the big guy here to give us r isght, well, --yogi bea the guy to give us insight, well, no, we knew that carbon dioxide was a key prepping gas and we have shown that from understanding the atmosphere of other planets. let's just saving us, ok? -- let's just say the mess, ok -- venus, ok? we know that carbon dioxide is increasing over time, so let's get with the program. we know that carbon dioxide is a heat trapping gas, we know that it is going into the atmosphere, so dave should get on his program. too.: i have ills,
[laughter] can i answer? i'm not making predictions, i'm saying they do not make turns. that is first about. -- he, there have been no still keeps talking about asthma as if you get that with co2. asthma has no response to co2. he knows it is not, but he wants to make people think that co2 will be my particulate matter or it will make us sick because people respond to that. this is a power grab. whether we think there is global warming or not and the models, what is absolutely clear is that this clean power plan will have no discernible impact on global warming. it is a power grab. it is part of a bigger agenda. people just want to take control of busybodies.
when of the most despicable things, in my mind, if you were to promote, like george soros does, a guy with $24 billion has been promoting policy successfully to kill the coal industry. this past month, he bought one million shares of peabody coal the twolf million of biggest coal companies in the world. drivemotes companies that them to bankruptcy and then by some. haserms of science, the epa the science advisory committee for the clean air act and they have reported. onse are specific to check whether the epa's science is good or not. since 2000, the members of these boards in these committees have been on grants totaling $140 million from the epa. the people that are supposed to be looking over their shoulder at apa are getting 100 relay dollars from the epa.
theaises questions about intent of these people. i cannot say that they are dishonest or they are not trying to do good science, but it certainly talks about selected and selectivity bias when it comes to win scientists analyzed the epa's clients. i want to put another issue on the table. host: when you look at china, india, africa, and other third world countries and the pollutants that these countries commit in the air, how big of a problem is that in the overall global warming? this anything that we do help spread these countries? guest: absolutely. first of all, historically, the united states is the number one polluter of the atmosphere carbon pollution. china in the last few years has overtaken us. however, they are also investing more money than we are in clean energy. i think $55d billion in clean energy in 2013 and we were about $40 billion.
we were second. because of the korean power plant and other commitments that president obama has made and actions we have taken, china is capping its omissions and that is the first and they have agreed to do that. we need to get other countries to get involved like india and brazil. they are far smaller polluters than we are. i want to go back? host: what about these other countries? critical and this is the problem -- unless we have the developing world to sign on i an eternal poverty plan, apologize, but we do not have the green technology noel we will not have it likely for the next decade or two. guest: but that is something the u.s. needs to take the lead. guest: here's what is taking the lead -- look at what has happened in europe. they have demonstrated that great energy is not sustainable because it is too expensive. we with that same which used to be a model that the president touted for green energy -- they
have retracted terribly on the green energy subsidies. they cannot afford them. german -- germany cannot afford and great britain announced they're cutting the subsidies by 90% for rooftop solar. we look at the countries of the biggest portion of green energy and europe, seven portions of green energy per capita, have the seventh highest cost of electricity, the top two are germany and denmark with cost of 2.5 to three times what we have. that instudy shows europe, these countries, the cost of electricity has grown three times than in the u.s.. we do not need to worry about making predictions. it has been a failure and it will be to greater energy poverty. guest: you should go talk to governor branstad the iowa and send the grassley of iowa, because in iowa, the get 29% of electricity from wind right now. 29%. south dakota, 20 5%, kansas, 22%
of electricity comes from wind. in fact, we are already getting a great deal of electricity from cleaner sources. if you look at the top 10 states for wind energy, most of them are so-called red states. texas gets about 11%, idaho gets .bout 17% or 80% from wind it is happening. we need to do more pastor to reduce emissions. you know what? georgia tech says by 2030, we will be paying less money for electricity and we do today by $45 billion worth under the clean power plant. host: from riverton, bonnie is next. republican nine. thank you for waiting. caller: i do not believe we have a climate change. i believe that is somebody's pipedream that wants to take the money of the american people. i will always believe that and i do not believe that god would let this happen to us if we were
not supposed to use cold, he would have made it so that we l.d not have coa i'm sorry, but i think this is one big joke. we have a lot of politicians who want our money and we do not have any left. nobody is working, so pretty soon they will realize that. that we have to be working. there are five generations of my family. we have been here forever. when we had pollution and back when i was a kid in the 1960's, we had it so deep you cannot even get out of your doors at time. now we do not have snow. we have the politicians that are telling us what we ought to do and they are all, the government -- all of them are crooked people. host: two are for the call. dan weiss? guest: you would possibly that god gave us tobacco and we ought not to smoke that, so the reality is that she said herself
that the amount of snowfall that she is noticed in wyoming has declined dramatically since over the last 50 years. ink, dave's point is this -- an analogy -- we should not go on a diet because the first time we eat a low-fat anything, we are not going to lose all the weight we need to lose. we should not start walking every day because the first time we walk, we are not going to lose 10 pounds. the reality is, just like with you need toved when change lifestyle, eat healthier, get exercise, we need to change our energy lifestyle. we need to produce energy more healthily and we need to prepare for the impact of climate change that are already happening. like in alaska where there is 85% of the community will be affected by climate change. like in south florida where sea level rises and floods in neighborhoods that were not flooded before.
we have to go on an energy healthy lifestyle which will take time, one step at a time, get other countries to join us, and we have to prepare for the climate change impact that is here already. host: i will go to michael from pittsburgh. guest: it is because dave and i are so good-looking and smart. host: you have support. go ahead, michael. caller: mr. weiss keeps talking about medicine with climate, and medicine is so much more reliable. guest: the human body is a lot smaller than our climate and atmospheric, but just like, as dave said, before the 1950's and early, doctors thought cigarette smoking was fine and they appeared in cigarette ads. 50 years ago, or actually, 51 years, came the first surgeon general's warning that cigarette smoking may be bad or you. what happened? over time, the warnings got
stricter and stricter as they did more studies. the same thing is happening with climate change. are studies that occur, and have been thousands of them. in fact some of the 11,000 peer-reviewed climate phases, peer-reviewed means other scientists looked at the modeling and besides to see if it was right, 97% said climate change is real and caused humans. so the reality is, we can go --h the 97% and licked a and live healthier last out or go with the 3% and ignore warnings that we are seeing with sea level rising in florida, on the virginia coast, naval bases, in alaska, across the world. host: david kreutzer? guest: let's do sea level quickly -- sea level has been rising for the past century or two over seven inches or eight inches percent three. now, projections if you look at the past 30 years, 40 years, maybe a foot, so the two inches in miami or whatever it is, you
get different levels around the world -- right now, the evidence is clear we are not headed to a catastrophe in sea level rise. nobody even thought to mention it when it rose eight inches in the past century, that is how unimportant it was. the main thing dan says, if you listen carefully, what they never answer is, what will be the impact of the policy they are proposing/ they say, this is the first step, it will be a long time and so on. i used my own analogy, he says, look, we sell you a car that cost $3000 and you have a license plate holder and a bumper and you say, wait a minute -- this is not a car. they say, yes, the other dealerships are going to give you the other parts. ,nd they said they would not what we have is a $100 billion fund that the un will administer and that we will probably fund to the tune of $25 billion per year, which is getting all of the leaders of the other countries, the third world
countries that need to sign on to think this is really horrible. richard hall, the scientist who was lead author for all five of the intergovernmental panel of climate change processes reports resigned after the last one because it was in protest over the politicization of the report that came out. what was the straw that broke the camel's back? countries looking to get to share this $100 billion annual fund from the un, claiming that they would suffer in the future from sea level rise. these stories are a big mishmash. ask dan -- what will happen with this plan? look at the cost of the plan that will happen. the third world will not sign on to energy poverty. host: susan is next. good morning. republican line. caller: good morning to all of you. i have a question for both of the young men there. guest: yes, we are young men again. [laughter] myler: i am from arizona and
bill, i have a small house, not two-story, small one, every year in august around the third of the month, our electricity gets turned off, the whole neighborhood. and it gets turned off for one hour and gets turned back on. every year this happens. we have been talking with the aps over here in arizona about why this happens. ok -- guest: why is it happening? caller: because they are saying that they higher our energy built during the summer because it is hot here are my electricity, i leave it at 78 every day and i do not touch it. you know the little lights back on the ceilings/ ? i do everything to protect my house so the heat will not come in with my blinds in accordance. my electric bill just the other day was $348, so i went to aps, i went to my home neighborhood block, they said that my record
electric bill was the highest between my two houses that are next to me that are two stories and they have two heating cores, a pool, and i'm the one with the highest bill. it doesn't make sense. my question was climate because either you guys are busy, why can't we just -- by katrina, look what they did -- they alled a huge -- they built huge big energy law so that if there is another disaster, the water will not spill into the state. host: thank you, susan. guest: first, i do not know the specifics of her bro, but it may be that your neighbors have much newer and more efficient equipment so their bills are lower. in addition, i do not know if she is a customer of the salt river project which is the biggest utility in arizona, but recently, they said that they were going to force people, even if they got solar panels, to pay
extra to get those solar panels on their roofs even though it is their effort to reduce the reliance on coal or hydroelectricity there. one of the things we have to deal with this that we have to make sure that green energy, particularly like rooftop solar, is accessible for middle and low-income families, too, and not just higher income families. one of the things that has happened is that there has been a tremendous drop in the price of solar energy which is why they can get rid of some of the subsidies in germany because they are making panels much more efficient and cheaper than they used to. -- i: one of the problems do not know if this address is your problem specifically -- the problems with solar and wind and renewables like that is that they are intermittent. eia, theat the iaea -- department of energy says -- wind and solar is not operated control, but dependent on whether or solar cycles, sunrise
and sunset, so it will not necessarily correspond to operator or dispatch duty cycles. as a result, their cost values are not directly comparable to those of other technologies. and they split them off in a different chart. why that matters is that with the wind and solar, you have to back them up. you still have to have the coal, nuclear, or natural gas capacity. the numbers of -- that dan talks about, that is an average. on some days, texas is particularly in the hot, still, summer afternoon, the wind produces as little as 1%, 2% or 3%, so you still have to have these other capacities and that is expensive and that is what makes electricity go up. you look at the space above renewables come electricity costs. you look at the countries, as i said in europe, germany, denmark, three times the cost here. guest: denmark pays higher in taxes, too, but they have health care provided by -- [indiscernible]
to interrupting you. what is happening is that germany, the industry is going crazy. they are threatening to leave. we do not want that here. host: we will go to kathy from michigan. good morning. on the democrat line. caller: good morning, steve, dan, and david. would like to hear some people talk about getting people out of their cars onto sidewalks, onto bike trails that are even maintained during the wintertime. i live just off the main road and the go straight down to the hospital where i work. the sidewalks are not plowed in winter, but people tried to get these apartment complexes at the top of the hill. i think it is important that we really look at all the four wheelers and all these things that people use for their vacation whatever.
that uses a lot of energy. i live in subsidized housing and i cannot hang my clothes outside. i had to use the washer and dryer there. i found it a egregious. reflect that when i was a young girl and we would stop outside in northern michigan on vacation. the snow was so sweet and the last time i smelled that was when i lived in traverse city about 1989 and i have never small but since then because the air is just not as clean as it used to be. i think that -- are you there? guest: star, there is definitely cleaner than it used to be and the evidence is crystal clear on that and dan would probably like to take credit for the clean air act and he is right. we have cleaned up their dramatically, so people think it is getting more polluted and it is not true. host: kathy, would you like to follow up? iller: well, i know when
smelled, david, and it is a small you do not smell anymore. first, i am glad that kathy called for my home state of michigan. it is named after the state stone which is the petoskey stone. in fact, we have that impacts of climate change in michigan as recently as last summer when in the western end of lake erie, there was a horrible algae bloom that caused the city of toledo and some small spots of eastern michigan, to have a drinking water band because the water was contaminated with this algae group and one of the conditions for the all too bloom is warmer water. at that same time, there was a huge, huge flood in michigan and detroit area where i grew up rose toe floodwaters the bottom of the overpasses, and that is exactly what scientist predict will happen which is an increase in severe rainstorms and flooding in the upper midwest.
there is already evident that occurring in these places. hearing froze over for the first time in a number of years because of severe cold. yes, but severe cultic, remember, we are on track for the warmest year ever in recorded history on planet y. in fact, july was the warmest july on record. again, planet y. parts of the country or other parts of the world may be having record cold here or there, but by and large, we are sitting from a record highs than we are record lows. according to nasa host:. nasa. host: welcome back to. guest: he gets to answer the question and i can only answer out, -- host: go ahead, please. guest: -- guest: are you in favor of controlling that? guest: i have been.
the other thing is that we have had -- every time there is something warmer, it is due to climate change and when it is called the, its variability or natural variability in the system. or every adverse weather affect is due to climate change and nice weather -- who knows? no one talks about that. we had this approach were every bad thing in the world is exacerbated by co2 emissions. a colorless, odorless, non-toxic gas. ok, it is simply not credible. that is all. host: mary, to arthur waiting from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good one. i went to know whatever happened to competition. i am looking at an imf report. says 5.3he imf report trillion in energy subsidies, handil is national michael
up, possibly as received 5.3 trillion dollars in global subsidies each year. now, what i want to know is why the fossil fuel industry is getting so much of our tax dollars and why they are fighting against competition? isst: yeah, ok, that misleading, first of all, worldwide and not in the u.s. the first thing that is misleading is that they are looking at places like iran that subsidized gasoline dramatically and the same thing in china and india. india went china and they have skyrocketed back in 2007, 2008 because the government sells the oil and gasoline there and they do not adjust the prices to the market, so when prices go up, it looks like they are subsidizing it. the other major component and it is not taxpayer paid for, it the major component is that, here, here is the value of this damage
of the co2 emissions and they use something called the social cost of carbon. we have run the models that the epa used to estimate social cost of carbon and slight changes in reasonable changes in the input dramatically change that number and the epa has shaded every one of those variables to make it look like that number is bigger. in the u.s., the fossil to companies pay lots of taxes. there subsidies are exaggerated. subsidies per unit of power produced solar and wind or so for orders of magnitude higher, that is where the subsidies are. we have competition in the oil and gas industry, we have competition to come up with new technologies like hydraulic and drilling which has made us the world's leading natural gas producer and that has made us posted, if we have not surpassed in violation, the leading oil producer.
we will go to brian in san diego. good morning. caller: good morning. my question and comment is for dan weiss. he said that scientists agree about climate change when the charts by david seemed to show different, so it seems like you have not done your homework. on the contrary, it seems that what your project -- that what you are sharing our cherry picked -- host: well, i think you got -- guest: well, i think you got beeped there, but there have been studies over the past 20 years. studies that were peer-reviewed, 97% concluded that climate change is real and caused by human beings. going back to the question of subsidies, in fact, the nuclear did a study from 1950 102010 and to 2010, and50
they found that 40% of our subsidies and tax breaks went to oil and gas production and about 20% went to coal and 20% went to nuclear and about 10% went to clean energy. that wethe subsidies have had in the u.s. have gone to fossil fuels. host: let me get one last call and we will give you both a chance to respond. in all scars, wisconsin, good morning to you frank. caller: good morning. veteran of world war ii and dime 88 years young, and i went to war when i was 17. all of my best friends had already been killed. guest: we honor your service. caller: i'm no hero, but i want to try to simple five the top from these two gentlemen and i am going to ask each of them the same question and i would like to ask them to reply in one simple word. englandyou think new ashes bloom in the northern tier
states of the united states of america all the way from vermont to northern michigan, to northern minnesota, on the way out to washington -- just one word -- wet season of the year do they normally bloom? of your, take a choice poor seasons, gentlemen, go ahead. guest: pastor's? caller: lovely fall flowers. one word. do not mumble, one word. guest: fall. caller: beautiful. guest: i guess i will say -- fall. [laughter] guest: i have to respond. i did not get a chance to talk about subsidies. solar lives on subsidies. let thewhen congress tax credit lapse and it shut as hise supply chain --
me, for wind, the supply chain for wind, they had a tax credit that gives them ready percent of the cost and about half of the wholesale price of electricity is how it works out, and the first six months of 2013, it was one windmill installed in the united states. congress retroactively put that production tax credit back in, but what dan is talking about without viable solar and wind are, the are only five bolt to produce where you have subsidies . oil and gas derived with or without subsidies. we are against subsidizing anything with it through subsidy, so we are perfectly willing, but we do not want to talk about regular tax credits that all manufacturers that, including windmill producers taking that away only from one industry or another. host: we will give you the last word. guest: we are subsidizing oil, gas, particularly coal with our health. we know that their predation -- that air pollution and smog is more likely to a current, dave has admitted this that the
temperature is warming, and we know as the temperature warms, that is one of the conditions for forming smog and they will be more asthma attacks and premature deaths. thesoot. just we are subsidizing it with our help. thankfully, the obama administration is leaving efforts to internalize the cost to make the use of those products cleanup, so they are paying the cost of pollution rather than us, our grandchildren, or the farmer down the street, not down the street, but suffering from drought or the wearable forest fires. that is what we are trying to do. host: you continue to shake your head. guest: yet, again, daniel is talking about warming being a bad thing and that it is causing asthma, drought -- guest: i did not say asthma. is a precursor to asthma attacks. those are different things. guest: whatever. co2 is non-toxic and odorless
gas and necessary for gas and smog is not a particular matter. guest: if i put you in a room and only put co2, how long would you live? guest: we're not talking about that. that is 41 hundredths of one -- of 100%. we have the highest amount of co2, over 400 parts per million in eight housing years. guest: we are not going to have any trouble breathing. host: thank you for a very interesting conversation. dan weiss of the league of conservation voters and david kreutzer on the heritage >> mr. montell helped pass the fair housing bill. have coverage at 9:00 a.m.
eastern. that the discussion regarding the technology transfers to china. that is live at 2:00 eastern, on c-span two. >> during a speech over the weekend, republican presidential candidate, donald trump spoke about his gop rival, jeb bush, immigration and u.s.-russia relations. as he spoke in nashville, tennessee, you will see here. [applause]
donald trump: i love nashville. i'm going to tell you a story, but he will not believe it. maybe more importantly, we have an incredible woman with us. she is 92 years old. we don't talk about age, but she looks magnificent. she has become very famous. you know who she is, right? look at her. so beautiful. she just registered to vote for the first time in her life. she has not seen anybody who did it for her. the first time in her life, she has registered to vote. then she will vote for trump, i think. thank you, darling. i appreciate it.
she has become so famous she is on television all over the world. i am nervous talking to you. thank you very much. everybody appreciates it. there is a big, big, growing silent majority out there. we are going to take this country back and make it is so great again, and so strong again. i have to tell you -- enough with the standing up. look at this group. what a group. we set the all-time record for the group. we turned away thousands of people. they have speakers outside. these people have the best real estate. i just wanted to tell you . many years ago, i hate to say 40, but 40.
i came to nashville. did you ever hear of a company called genesco? they own the bond would tell her -- bond would teller department store chain. i wanted to go into manhattan. they went to the grand hyatt hotel. what i wanted to do more than anything was 5th avenue between 57th street and 56th street. that is right next to tiffany. i wanted that piece of property so badly. i should not say that, because you are not supposed to want things like that so badly. got to get angry with me, right? the company for that was genesco, based in nashville, tennessee. they can to nashville and meta-with the heads of genesco. they are great people. there was a lot of fighting and everything. i convinced them to sell me the
land. and the building. i bought it from 57th street 250 63, surrounding tiffany. i bought all the rights from tiffany. i built trump tower and to this day, it is one of the great successes and buildings in the world. i love country music. i went to the operating 1 -- to the opera when i was here. we can speak in a lot of places. when you are leading in every poll, they sort of want you. when you are not, like so many of these guys, they do not want to at all. i had a lot of choices for this morning. i guess i could have gone off to play golf like the president does all the time. i decided, let's do this. i chose nashville because, the experience is not my biggest deal but in terms of a deal, it , is so important, and it has been such a great -- from the
day i built it, it was a home run. it all really took place because of nashville, tennessee. it is an honor to be with you folks, i can tell you. a real honor. [applause] so, coming over, i watch television, and you know they have all these cameras back there and they are alive and i guess we are live on cnn and so many different things. it is difficult when you're live. you have got to change up your speech. you cannot make the same speech over and over. marcia knows that. some of the folks in the room know that. other candidates do not get covered live ever except for the debate. so you know, they had 24 million people on the debate are now they think when a new numbers come out, they will be even substantially higher than that. i would have said they would've had one million or two. i said they had 24 million people and now the second debate, on cnn, that was on fox, maybe i should ask for a lot of money and give the money for charity.
all to charity. does that make sense? i said that to the writers of time magazine. they were nice enough to put me on the cover with a nice story. and i sort of thought i set it off the record but they put it in time magazine. so should i ask for charity? maybe a nice nashville charity and american cancer society, and aids research and there are so many good things. alzheimer's, there are so many things going on there. maybe i should ask for a lot of money, or i'm not showing up. so they will get say 2 million people they do not do great, especially the early republican debates. the expression, it draws flies. that is what it is like. this is one of the biggest shows in the history of cable television in terms of political.
in the history of cable television. naturally, i took full credit for it. in all fairness, i should. [laughter] the bottom line is, i think i might ask for a lot of money to charity. but, you know, i did say what do you think, should i do it or not? maybe not, i don't know. [applause] here's the thing, if i don't do it, cnn will make a lot of money. i don't care about cnn. they are going to make a lot of money. they are actually very nice, but they will make a lot of money and, you know, i think it is something to consider. we will all consider it. coming over today, i saw that they were having the illegal immigrants come in. somebody mentioned the dreamers having to do with children. the dreams of children.
the people who come over here are dreamers. i said, what about our children, why can't our children be the dreamers? no one ever talks about that. [applause] they never talk about that. we talk about the dreamers, who by the way are treated better than our vets. our vets are incredible. illegal immigrants, in many cases, not in all cases, but in many cases are treated better than our veterans. our wounded warriors, these are the greatest people we have. and another thing nice about being able to make speeches without having to hire some guy to write it and keep writing, and then say, "good morning ladies and gentlemen. nashville's wonderful." you know, i can talk about this and be current. i can talk about what's happening this morning on tv.
they had a story about the veterans association, how people are waiting on line to get in. these are our veterans who got hurt. maybe we would not be here if it was not for them. that is possible as well. they had a story this morning on fox and cnn and a number of them, where the veterans are treated terribly. they show the desk where there are supposed to be people behind the desk. they show a desk and there is no one there. probably some of you saw it. the veterans are saying, where are these people, and they say what happened, and they say, this happens all the time. no one is even there. and two weeks ago on wednesday, they have the longest wait in the history, in the history of the veterans administration, for people wanting to see a doctor. if i go to a doctor, and i had to wait nine minutes, i am like, i go crazy. it's true.
remember the old days when the doctors used to come to your house? you have a call on the doctor would carry a little bag like this big. he would come over to your house, check you out, those days do not exist anymore. we are in the age of obama care, where nothing exists. we will repeal and replace obamacare. that, i can tell you. [applause] that, i can tell you. but, so two weeks ago on wednesday, the longest wait in the history of the v.a. if you go to the doctor's office, men and women are waiting four days, three days, one was five days. one case was five or six days, finally got to see the doctor and the doctor excused himself because he was going on vacation. you think about that. can you imagine waiting even a day or a half-day? these people are waiting for
five days. the waits are the longest in history. that is the way we are treating our greatest people and it is not right. we will change that. [applause] we have right now, ae these phony statistics put out by politicians, basically, all talk and no action politicians. on both sides in all fairness. you know, i'm a republican and i am a conservative, but i'm just as angry with the republicans. they go to washington and something happens. they become weak. they say, we are going to stop obamacare. we will do this, we will do that. then, they walk into these make davis and buildings with these incredible vaulted ceilings and say, oh, i made it, darling. i made it. i vote for you. i vote for you. i vote for obamacare extensions. i will do whatever you want me
to do. i'm in washington. it is amazing. 5.4% unemployment. it won't happen to me. they show those phony statistics. 5.4% unemployment. the real number, i saw a number that could be 42%, believe it or not. when you think about it, we have 93 million people that are out of the labor report -- ever the labor force. they quit looking for jobs. if you're looking for a job and cannot find it and stop for a wild. after a wild, you think, it is not happening. i don't know what they do, but they stop. they are considered statistically employed. we have 93 million people out of the labor force.
we have 50 million people in poverty. china is taking our money. japan is taking our money. mexico is beating us at the border. and on trade. they are killing us on trade. you just lost a big car plants -- big car plants to mexico in tennessee. front page, "wall street journal" -- i love this guy. i love this guy. he's just holding this sign up. look at him. i know he's voting for. thank you. that is very cute. i mean, i love it. this is a movement. this is a movement -- i don't want it to be about me. this is about common sense. this is about doing the right thing. one of the things that came out in the poll that was really amazing, some of the polls.
in iowa, we are leading big. those are great people. we just left iowa. we had such an amazing evening. 4000 people in a room that never has that many people. it was happening. we just left alabama, which was unbelievable. 31,000 people in a stadium and it was supposed to pour. and it did. it poured. the minute the speech was over, it poured. we had 31,000 people. it was the most unbelievable. the polls just came out in alabama, leading big in alabama, leading big in iowa. [applause] donald trump: leading tremendously big in new hampshire, leading really big in new hampshire. leading big in florida. i have a governor. we have a low energy governor and we have a senator, and we are leading big in florida. how do you do that? you have a senator who is
sitting, a governor that has been there for eight years. and trump, i love florida and i am there a lot. great weather. you have great weather, but florida has great weather. big advantage. i'm leading big in florida, but one of the polls came out. south carolina and north carolina, i'm leading really big. in south carolina, a poll came out and we had a statement that my level of popularity or favorability -- i am the only one that can get a pull and it comes out and these guys in the back with those red lights on will say, i had one poll where i think i'm 41%. almost 41%. can you imagine? with 17 people. 41% with 17 people and they said, you can't even hear.
nobody knows what they just said. but there are some people who but there are some people who don't like him. it's unbelievable. i'm the only one that wins these polls and i get negative publicity. the press, it's terrible. [applause] donald trump yesterday, you : might have seen me. i was in south carolina. i had to bring it up. the new york times is a big deal. very liberal paper. not everyone can be like us, but it is still the "new york times. i'm on the front page a lot. to be on the front page is a big deal. yesterday or two days ago, they had a story about me and they had some low level hispanic commentator. a low level guy that did not like me. by the way, i think i'm going to win hispanic vote. in nevada, i won the hispanic vote.
they love me. i love the hispanic people. [applause] donald trump: incredible energy, incredible people. i have thousands that work for me and thousands of thousands over the years have worked for me. a lot of the ones that are coming in illegally don't want -- a lot of the hispanics who are here legally do not want people coming in illegally. it's true. it's true. this poll comes out, i think in south carolina, where we are way up and lindsey graham is at four and i'm at 30. i wrote him a note, congratulations i'm beating you in your home state by only 26 points. who cares. [applause] donald trump: who cares? they did something that nobody reported. i think i am a nice person. i want to help people. women's health issues to me are very important. to jeb bush it was not important
because he did not want to fund them and then he says i misspoke. i really want to be a nice person and i am a nice person but it's going to be an election based on competence. we are tired of being the patsies for everybody. i think it is time. but in the poll, in another act of political magic, trump managed to flip his favorability rating from negative, nobody - wrote this by the way. nobody reported it. from negative to positive. this is an exact quote. i have a photographic memory so i want to be sure if i use of the word of the incorrectly. favorability rating from negative to positive in one poll during the span of a month. a feat that a highly respected pollster called astounding. nobody else wrote about it.
that defies any rule in presidential politics i've ever seen said this highly respected man. the director of the polling institute said he flipped it from 20% to 52% in one month and he said he's never seen that before. and you know what? that's because people have heard me. they say i am such a nice person -- no. they say i have made a tremendous amount of money and have had tremendous success. that's the kind of thinking we need in the country. whatever it is. but, to me, that statement was more important than literally killing everybody in the polls. we were much higher, more than double everybody. you saw that came out and that
was an amazing poll. that was the same thing. much, much higher. i was double and quadruple many of these candidates. the reason is people in this country are smart. they don't believe a lot of what they see in the media. because if you believe these people, why are they doing this? why are they even saying it? you'd think that if someone's good for the country, i'm going to be good for the country because we are going to make great deals. our country doesn't win anymore. we don't win anymore. you would think even a liberal person or a democrat, why are they knocking it? why do they fight? you'd think that they would say let's do it, it's good for all of us. our country is in trouble. we go $19 trillion.
-- we owe $19 trillion. when obamacare kicks in, which really kicking in and 16. you want to see bad deficits? you are really going to see it go up. that has a huge impact not only on the jobs but the deficit itself. you have seen it yourself. premiums have gone through the roof, right? the deductibility, unless you are close to death, you are never going to use it. you cannot use it. the deductibility is so high. the premiums are up 30%, 40%, 50% and more. it is a disaster and it's going to cost the country a fortune. so it is not only costing you i fortune. so we have to do something about it. we have to do something importantly about it. when i see the people on television and i have to tell you, i will not mention names, some of them, when they hear my name. we have a great reporter today from the "wall street journal" who came down. she said some of them when they hear your name, it looks like
they are ready to explode. it's true. number one, they look bad because you remember the beginning. three or four month ago, they were saying he's a clown having fun. i went to a great school, i did everything that's great. i came out, i made a fortune. i then did a book called "the art of the deal" and many best sellers. that one is probably the best-selling business book of all times. who has read that? almost everybody. i jokingly say, but i mean it, the bible tops it by a long way. i said it in iowa, and it's true, nothing tops the bible, many best sellers and then i do "the apprentice."
i've never done television. it's one of the most successful shows ever on television and nbc renewed the apprentice. you know that, right? for me. they came to my office, the head of comcast, great guys. i will not use names, i will just say steve, one of the best in the country. he came up with the heads of nbc and they said months ago, they said, donald, we are renewing the apprentice, you have to do it. i said honestly, i'm running for president. i want to make our country great again. and they did not believe me. i said it four times. nobody believed i was going to run. nobody. my wife didn't believe me but now she does. she said, if you are going to run, you are going to do great because people love you. i don't want to brag. thank you. [applause]
donald trump: she said if you actually say, the nbc guys come up, terrific people. i had a great relationship with nbc for 12 years. we have many number ones and "the apprentice" continues to do great. you know last season how well it did. they want to renew for many seasons. mark burnett calls and says i don't believe it, you are not taking a renewal. i said that's right, i'm going to run for president. he said nobody doesn't take a renewal, it's unheard of. primetime television for two hours. are you crazy? i said, mark, i've had to do this.
i have done so well in this country. i have to do it. we can save our country. [applause] donald trump: we can save our country. the bottom line, so nbc renewed it. i told them i'm not doing it and they finally believed me when i actually announced. they don't like me anymore. it's amazing. that's too bad. thank you. the funny thing about the apprentice, there have been 15 copies. every single one of them failed. so a reporter said why do you think that is? i said because i'm special. i was kidding. i sort of meant it, to be honest, but i was sort of kidding and they wrote it. it sounds good when you say it but it looks bad in writing. i had a great experience, so here i am, great schools, great brain, great success, i built a great company, do the apprentice, tremendous success.
when i did the apprentice come a certain critics said it will never be successful because to have a big hit, you remember that first season had one of the highest ratings ever. the finale? remember how that was? to have a great success, you have to have women. i saved the article, like harry truman saved it, where it says truman loses and he actually one. it said trump can never succeed on television because why would women want to watch donald trump? i said, in my so bad? tell me. in my so bad? and it turned out women were the biggest base. so i save those things. but, no matter how you cut it, we can do something so incredible. and honestly, it's going to be
hard and it's going to be a lot of work. a lot of time. obama always leaves the white house. i would not leave the white house. think of it. you are elected president. why would you want to leave? i think i would never leave. how cool is that? he leaves to go to some place and go do fundraisers. maybe there's some rule against it. i would do fundraisers in the white house. he and his wife left, right next door in burbank, california, they left a couple of hours different. one took air force one, one took a beautiful boeing. two different planes, going to the same location, going to the same airport to do different shows and i say why? why aren't they flying at least the same plane? i know how much those costs because i have one. more important, the time and energy.
but i would have said, ellen, let's do it from the white house. i won't spend any money from the taxpayers. it just takes a 30 minutes. think about it. think of it. and the funny thing, the funny thing is whoever the host is would like it better. we are doing our show live from the white house. we don't pay any money, we don't have to fuel up air force one. do you ever see what it costs to travel in one of those things? with hundreds of security. you are closing down burbank, california. every time obama comes to manhattan to do a fundraiser, which is often. i say, what is going on, you can move? they have closed on the streets. he could do it from washington. he could do it in my new hotel i am building. it's true. i'm building an incredible hotel on pennsylvania avenue for the old post office.
i got it from the obama administration. people say what's going on. how did trump get it? one of the most heavily sought after building in the history of the general services administration. which owned it, and they made the decision. i got it. we are building a phenomenal hotel, trump international hotel . it is right between congress and the white house. it is going to open just in time. and by the way, we are under budget and ahead of schedule. do you ever hear that from government. way under budget. it will be opening up and it will be great. come in, use it and go back to the white house. but you don't have to do that. you say to yourself, it's a mindset. more importantly than the travel, we have so many things we have to do to straighten out our country. you don't want to waste time. you've got to make deals.
i've got the greatest dealmakers in the world lined up. carl icahn, an incredible guy. great dealmaker. i've got some of the best dealmakers in the world. they are all calling me. they said you didn't ask me. i have these guys calling me up, the best in the world. i know the best. i also know guys who are overrated and i know guys you haven't heard of that are honestly phenomenal. i know a lot you have heard of that are overrated. but i have the best in the world. they don't want money. they are worth billions of dollars. but when i say carl icahn, do me a favor, handle china. we are going to make a great deal. because that's what happens. we are going to take back our trade. if you look at china, if you look at japan.
i was in los angeles. i saw the biggest ships i've ever seen with cars pouring out, one after another, made in japan. everything's nice, except it doesn't help us. we sell them these and they -- we sell them beef and then they do not want it. do you see what is going on over there? it goes over there and it is perishable. so by the time it gets over there, they turn around and we don't want it and they have cars coming from these massive ships and they just pour off the ships. how stupid are we? no tax, no nothing. i believe in free trade. but i have to be fair trade. when you look at japan, they taken money up here and we give them money down here. we give nothing by comparison, it's peanuts. balance it out, fellas. you have to balance it. a friend of mine is a great manufacturer.
as you know, china, it's probably the greatest theft in the united states. what china has done to us. they've taken our money, they've taken our jobs, they have taken so much, and they are creating a bubble and we are so intertwined now that the bubble is going to explode. it could take us down. we have to be smart. i've made so much money dealing with china. i've made hundreds of millions, probably billions dealing with china. the bank of america building in san francisco, i own part of that, people don't know, they say people say trump is only worth $5 billion, they don't even know my numbers. they say we haven't been able to look at about 400 of his companies. so i filed, interestingly, they said he will never run. so they say i will never run.
but i'm running. then i announced. they say he will never file his form. that's a single page where you're signing your life away. it has to be done within 14 days. i signed by form. they said he will never foot in -- she will never put in his financials. you have 90 days to do so. they said he will ask for extensions because he's probably not as rich as people think. but actually i'm much richer. i put in my financials, it's true. [applause] donald trump: forbes and another group said we don't know what these companies are. i put in these massive financials and i wanted to brag, i wanted to show people, it's such a great company i built. they said he will never put in
his financials. everybody saw it was much bigger and very little debt, tremendous value and great assets. iconic assets. i have some of the greatest real estate in the world and i'm very proud of it. they say, he will never file. and then they see all these companies. they have little boxes and they say, is it worth it for someone like me?
they have these little boxes and they say is it worth or does he make a million dollars? the last box is $50 million or more. so, i have a lot of buildings that are worth more than that. it says $50 million or more. i checked many of them, i think it is 23. i checked like, i don't know, i think it's 23. they will kill me if i'm wrong, but i'm not sure. i think it's like 23. do you know what some of these guys do to try to marginalize you? they added up 23 50's. some of them are worth a billion dollars. some of them are worth more than a billion. they will take 50 million for a building that might be worth a billion dollars and they add them up and say he's worth $2.9 billion. this is the press. they have no clue. those statements aren't meant for me but it's not meant for a guy like me but with all of that, the statements are so good. one of the things i'm doing, and last night was incredible. we had an amazing event in massachusetts. look at this, what the hell are you doing in nashville? what are you doing? what is that?
i was the brought those people with me. jackale you doing here -- what are you doing here? so here i am. i spent millions of dollars on jet fuel. a lot of money. but somebody puts up a sign, $100 to go to this thing. i don't know who did it. all over the place, i'm spending millions of dollars. i'm turning down millions. i don't want your money. somebody puts a sign up talking about a $100 contribution which you did not have to make. it's all over cnn. trump is asking for $100. i fly my plane someplace and it costs a fortune. the money i raised last night paying off the expense, a guy who had it, this great guy, really successful guy. you know him, ernie. he will sell you a car any day of the week.
like 2000 people showed up. getting a little deferment of the roast beef or what ever they are serving. they put up the sign, i don't want the money. i've might like $4 million or $5 million, that's hard to turn down. most of the people came in free and i end up with this big story, trump accepting contributions. i can't believe it. i got so angry at my people because somebody put up a sign saying $100. and honestly, it's peanuts. it doesn't mean anything. but they use it to try to marginalize. they always do. the bottom line is i am self funding my campaign. i don't need money. with that being said, this money comes in and it's not a lot of money, but it is great money.
peta will send me some money, but a woman sent me seven dollars with a beautiful letter from georgia. another person sent me $12, and someone sent me $1000 but it doesn't amount to a lot. but that i do like coming in because they invest in the campaign. how do i take it seven dollars check and send it back to the person who sent it to me? i'm sorry, i don't want your money? i want them to invest and they are not going to tell me to do this or not do this for china and they gave me $5 million. i had a big lobbyist who wanted to give me $5 million and i turned him down. i turned him down and i see this story on cnn last night and it was disgusting.
that trump has a sign, $100. somebody does the sign. it was a beautiful sign if you want to know the truth. beautifully done. and they are doing this big thing all day long, saying we have this incredible event and they destroyed it by trying to marginalize and that's the press, that is the media. the criminal media, there is some truth to it. a lot of times, they know it's wrong, but i just want to tell you. it's so important than last night was such an incredible event, it had to be a record for a house. the guy has a beautiful house in put up a tent, but we had 2000 people. it had to be a record. the spirit in that group, the spirit in alabama was so incredible. the spirit in our last meeting in iowa. don't forget. when i went to iowa, you know what i love? i'm leading with the tea party
, big. i love the tea party tea party people stand up and take a bow. you have not treated fairly. you have not been treated fairly. people talk about the tea party and you talk about marginalizing. at least i have a microphone and i can fight back. the tea party people are incredible people. they work hard and they love their country and all the time by the media. they get beat up all the time by the media. you don't know the power that you have. the tea party, and you can call it anything you want. i don't care about names. the tea party has tremendous power. i talk silent majority. it is more than to party. it's democrats, it's poor people, it's rich people, it's
everybody. it's evangelicals. one of the things that made me so happy, i'm a protestant, i'm a presbyterian. i had a recent poll and these polls, they did a beautiful, guys like jeb bush and hillary higher pollsters and pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars. what do you have to do that for? they come out with a new poll every week. i'm rich, i could hire 100 pollsters. i don't want to waste money. why should i pay? oneonce like $150 him -- s like $150 a month. they are arrogant guys think they're hot stuff and they can tell you what to say and you have to be politically correct. i don't have time. it's true. i don't have time. it takes a lot of time to be politically correct. you saw the anchor baby thing. somebody from, it's the same network, cnn again.
he said you know the name anchor baby is very insulting. i said what would you call it and he gave me like nine words, a baby, a illegal immigrant who was brought to the country. i said how can i say that? it's too long. it's anchor baby. and then jeb bush gets caught because he's such a nice person, honestly. if you want a nice person, you should vote for jeb. the country's going to go to hell, but we won't talk about that. if you want a nice person, jeb has a memo that he signed of basically a politically correct memo. don't say this or don't say that. one of the things, never use the term anchor baby. all of a sudden, he's using the term last week.
me when i use it, nobody criticized me. they expected it. they gave up. with him, they just killed him. then he blamed it on the asians. did you see that? the new york times did an editorial, how dare you attack the asians. he wanted to steal away from the hispanics, he said the asians come in and they have anchor babies and now the asians all hate him. it's true. but the asians love me and i love them. i love them. so he has a memo and he signs the memo and it says don't use this term and now he's using it because he has to. because think of it, i want to build a wall. it's so easy. [applause] when this clown, jose raymos.
he is a baseball player. when raymos got up the other day, screaming and ranting and i had all these reporters, the reporters were on my side, but this guy starts screaming, so i -- got a lot of credit for the way we handled him. i didn't do anything except for the times. "the times" said donald railed at him and screamed at him. i did not rail at him, but he was screaming at me. worse than that, they said i wore a a toupee.
i want bring anybody up that i don't. i'm on the front page of the new york times and the first sentence, in the first paragraph, has this hispanic announcer that nobody ever heard of saying they call him something which means he wears a toupee. so i'm on the front page of the new york times and i can't talk about it. they said i was essentially screaming at this guy from univision, who i happen to be suing for $500 million. they did not mention that. they also didn't mention his daughter works for hillary clinton. you didn't know that? they did not mention that. they said i wear a toupee and i was screaming. then we let him come back and we had a nice talk and he seemed like a nice guy after he called down a little bit. he was a very emotional man. he said you can't build a wall because you can't do it. 2000 years ago in china, we always get back to china.
2000 years ago, the great wall of china. this is a serious wall. this is a wall you do not go through easy. they built a wall 2000 years ago that is 13,000 miles. think of that. that's a serious wall. this was 2000 years ago. it took them 500 years to build it, i have to be a little bit, it took a long time. they had no tractors. they did not have caterpillars. today, we would use commodities -- today we use come on sue's -- su's because they are cheaper. how stupid is that. because they be valued that yen so much, people are buying komatsus instead of caterpillars. we will change that, believe me. but they built this wall. we have 2000 miles as opposed to 13,000, but you don't need it. some of you have natural
landscapes. actually, 10 years ago, everybody wanted the wall built. hillary wanted the wall. what i do best is build. i'm not a rendering guy. a lot of these guys come in with renderings and it never gets built. i'm the opposite. i get it built. one of the reasons it could not get built is they could not get an approved environmental impact study. do you believe this? they could not get an environmental impact study approved. they are killing people. we have illegal immigrants. you see it with san francisco, so many people. last night in massachusetts i've met some unbelievable families who have been devastated by illegal immigrants who come into the country and kill members of their family. last week, a 66-year-old
veteran, a female, got raped, sodomized, tortured and killed. 66 years old, by an illegal immigrant that they caught. luckily, but this is what we have. we have stupid people in our government and we have people pouring across the border and we have great border patrol people. i went there, you probably saw that. that's probably why the hat is so successful. everybody wants to buy the hat. the white when did not sell so well but the red one is hot. crazy thing. i went to the border and i got to know the people and i saw people and it is rough stuff. when i first came in and did my opening statement that i was running for president, i talked about illegal immigration.
rush limbaugh, who i think is a terrific guy. rush limbaugh said trump has received more incoming than any human being i've ever seen and he uses a news conference and i think he's going to apologize and he doubles down. i got credit. they thought i was going to apologize and i don't mind apologizing, but i have to make a mistake to apologize, but i was right. so for two weeks, i took incoming, meaning that media. i said if it's going to be like this for the next year and a half, i don't think i can make it. many of the people who talk that way, apologize to me. only because of me is everyone talking about illegal immigration. they wouldn't even be talking about it.
we are going to get the gang members in baltimore and chicago. these are tough dudes. one of the first things i'm going to do is get rid of those gang members. look at what's going on in chicago and ferguson and st. louis. we are going to get rid of those gang members so fast. we can be really tough. those police are tough cookies. we need law and order. we need law and order. they allowed in that first night in baltimore, they allowed that city to be destroyed. they set it back 35 years and one night because the police were not allowed to protect people. we have incredible law enforcement in this country and the head of the police in chicago is a person i know. he's a phenomenal guy.
he can stop things if he's allowed to stop them. we have some incredible people but we have to be tough and we have to be smart. you are going to have bad apples. and it is disgusting and it is horrible, but it's a tiny percentage. the problem is, the good work does not get shown on television, which is 99.9%. the good work with the police is 99.9%. that one little thing, it is horrible, i agree. you know the same ones because you were sick when you looked at some of them just like i was, but we need law and order. we need our police. they do a phenomenal job but they are afraid to do anything. i know cities, i won't mention names, but i know cities where police are even afraid to talk to people because they want to
retire and have their pension. then you wonder why there is crime in our cities. we need a whole new mindset. we have to build up our military. we have to make our military so strong. we have to make our military so powerful and strong that we never have to use it. we have to focus on what we have. look, ukraine. i want ukraine to be healthy, vibrant, and good. but ukraine is near germany and all of these european countries. we are now sending f-22's, the newest fighters, the best and the world. where is germany and these european countries? it affects them. we want to stand alongside of them, but why are we leading the fight? putin hates obama. i think he would like me. i would get along great with
them. he has no respect for our president and our president doesn't like him at all. but i would get along with these people. every country is ripping us off. now russia is ripping us off. in the iran deal, russia is a big beneficiary because they are going to sell iran missiles with the money we give to iran, so one of the biggest beneficiaries is a russia. think of it. let's take a few of these things and then i'm getting the hell out of here and going back to new york. maybe i will go to the grand ole opry tonight. can i do that? [applause] this is not a politician speaking. i love country music. i love it. trace adkins, right? who else won on the apprentice? john rich. my kids love those two guys. and who else did really well? clint black.
he did great. trace, how good is trace? he came on and i said who the hell is he? i did not know who he was and is -- and he was not a big name. just to show you how important that show is, his record or album or whatever you call it now days. whatever it was, it went to number one. he came to me the next year and he came in second and then he came in first. he is a fantastic guy. these are great people. he came to me and he said last year i couldn't get into the show and this year i'm hosting it all because of you. nice, right? those three guys are great. we've got to make our country so strong. we have to make our country rich again.
a person came up to me and said that's not nice. what's not nice. they say we're going to make our country rich. we are a debtor nation. we owe $19 trillion. china, we owe $1.4 trillion. they come in and take our cars and money. $1.4 trillion. japan celsus cars by the us cars -- japan sells by the million and make a fortune. they come in and they sell us cars by the millions and we oh them the exact same amount. how come if they are selling us cars, we owe them money? if we buy all these cars, why do
we owe them money? because they take all of that money that we make and by our bonds. they take the interest and we owe them money. it's not even going to be hard. people don't realize, see, obama never read "the art of the deal." somebody said, it was sharon, stand up. she gave me such a hard time. where the hell is she? you can have both of them stand up actually. where are they? sharon is great. did they go after her. where is my other sharon. get the hell off stage. come on. [laughter] she took a lot of incoming. get off stage. thank you, darling. we are going to do something that, if i get elected, and again, they said he would never
run, now, actually it is the greatest thing. these guys that didn't even give me a break, said it's not going to happen. one guy said, john mclachlan. i like him. one of the people said donald trump is a great businessman, but he will never make it as president. never get elected. and john mclachlan, he's a guy who i like. i never met him but he's sitting there and he got angry. he says why wouldn't he make it? he's been a tremendous success at everything he's done. i go all over the world and see his name. he has had great success. he said he is a man of great achievement. why wouldn't he make it? [applause]
i thought it was so nice and the other guy just sort of shut up. you need somebody of great achievement. i've produced tens of thousands of jobs. i don't have to worry about obamacare. i take such good care of my employees. we have great plans. my employees are lucky. they hit the lotto. i take great care. education, health care, my people are very happy, but i've done this for a long time and i've seen up and downs. i've seen market crashes and friends of mine go bankrupt. i've never gone bankrupt. by the way, i use the laws to my advantage. i negotiate with banks. they say trump goes bankrupt. when other people do that, they do it all the time, it's called using your head. it's called using the laws. i did a good job in the debate when chris matthews so angrily said.
i do it every great businessman does. one company was sort of interesting. a friend of mine had it. a good guy and the banks just were killing him. banks can be mean. we have to teach them how to behave. this guy, he was just getting beaten. i did him a favor and called up the banks and said do this, do that, we won't do that, i said you are making a mistake. it was a little complicated and unknown. i bought it. immediately i said don't do this. i threw it into a chapter and they come out with trump files bankruptcy. what i did to that bank. they see me walking down the street and they go hey. i'm good at that stuff but you have to use the laws to your advantage.
atlantic city, caesars went bankrupt. caesars filed for chapter 11. nobody cares. and you are right. everybody in atlantic city. i had the good sense seven years ago. the financial media gives me great credit because i have a vision for things. i said don't go into iraq even though i'm a very militaristic person. and they shouldn't have. i said you are going to destabilize the middle east. what do you get? $2 trillion, thousands of deaths, like 5000 wounded warriors who are all over the place. they are taking over. iran is taking over iraq with the money we give them. the oil they don't get, isis is getting. what do we get? nothing. we got far less than nothing. i had vision in 2004.
reuters, this is before then, they said trump says don't do iraq. i'm much more militaristic than even the bush's brother and even but you have to know when to use it and when. with atlantic city, seven years ago, i got out. i should get credit for vision. normally i would not say this, but i need your frickin' votes. do you understand? [applause] i have great credit and i got out. most places when i grabbed, but i made a lot of money in atlantic city and had a great time. i gave a great answer and think i solved it. listen, we are going to do things that are going to make you so proud if i win. [applause] we are going to have victories again. we are going to win. last night, in front of the audience, i've never said this
before, last night in front of the audience, i said we are going to have so many victories. i said we're going to win on trade and militarily, just having great strength that nobody is going to mess with us. nobody. so many victories, in fact, you may get tired of victories. everyone stood up and said no, no, we want to keep winning. if i win, we will have victories. we will win on trade. we will win on health care. we will win on everything. i will protect your social security without cuts. i will protect your medicare and medicaid. we are going to have something that is so special and i told -- i will say it once, we will make america truly great once again and thank you very much. thank you, everybody.
thank you, all day long, he has been holding. thank you very much. thank you everybody, appreciate it. give me that. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]