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different locations or flood into networks of support but were stronger than they would have found in the ninth ward. our goal is to strengthen neighborhoods to support people coming back into them. >> i want to shift gears. criminal justice reform. this today.on lee, they have, their criminal justice reform legislation they are introducing. life sentences under the three strikes would be dropped to 25 years. reduced to 15. for crimes that require 10 year sentences judges would have more discretion. they will include prison programs for rehabilitation, dealing with juveniles, putting
juveniles in solitary confinement. are you supportive of this? or lynch: this legislation an important opportunity for all of us to look at how we administer criminal justice in this country. if the goal is to protect the american people, in a way that is efficient, transparent and fair, sentencing reform has been the topic of great bipartisan discussion. today's announcement is a great step forward. we commend and thank senators booker and lee. and the other senators who worked on this. they cross the aisle to come together with different ideas on how to improve the system. casesmber prosecuting where we looked at people who were being cycled through a system, nonviolent drug offenders facing severe mandatory minimums being deported or going back home. you could not see the utility in it. we needed to focus resources on
the kingpins, the leaders and organizers of the narcotics organization. it is something the department of justice has been focused on. i predecessor introduced a smart on crime initiative which should be correct -- redirect for nonviolent offenders into an area where judges and prosecutors had more discretion. a lot of that is mirrored in this bill. i'm looking forward to working with the senators. >> what is not inherit you hope some folks get in there? anything you would like to see? ms. lynch: we are still looking at the bill. there are going to be a number of people who will have comments on it. we have a positive working relationship across the aisle with senators from both sides on their thoughts and reforms. we look forward to continuing those discussions. >> the relationship between african-americans and the
police. you have been going on a ur.ticity to her --to you went to birmingham, a 15 euro says i was raised to hate the police. how did you react? ms. lynch: it is painful to hear that. i have been on a community policing to her. we chose these six cities. birmingham, cincinnati, pittsburgh, east haven. we chose those cities because they have had a challenged relationship between police and law enforcement. shootings, negative interactions. department of justice interaction. lawsuits. the kind of relationships you outlined their residence talk about a deeply ingrained sense of lack of trust. a larger issue is a lack of
connection to the forces that should be connecting them. i have been able to speak with young people in every city. birmingham was particularly rewarding. that young person was involved in a program where high school students worked with police. we are looking for cities that have had a challenging relationship with law enforcement but yet have found a way to rebuild the relationship, to claw themselves back from the brink. not create a perfect situation. that doesn't exist. but to find a way in which problems develop there is a mechanism for discussion, a process for transparency, and where residents and law enforcement have a working relationship. birmingham has been doing that with the program you are referring to, having police officers talked likely to young people. they are involved in these
role-playing exercises. it is a way of breaking down the barriers created by a uniform, whether it is dress blues or baggy pants. people will look at you from wherever they stand and make a judgment, often times about what you mean, what you want to do. your views about them. connections,hose that young person came to know that police officers are just like them. they cared about what was happening. quite frankly the most successful exercise was the one in which they do a rollover verso and the young people play the role of the police officers and the police officers play the role of rowdy teenagers who will get out of a park. watching the young people deal with that, the officers enjoy it. you know what that is like if you are a parent. watching the young people deal
with that and having them come to understand how hard the job is to be a police officer, how many things you have to think about and balance, every time you interact with someone, how easy it can be to let a situation escalate. and the importance of working to build those connections. >> we have a trust deficit with statistics. we keep track of violent crime rates. there doesn't-- seem to be a uniform way to keep track of when a police officer discharges his weapon. we don't feel like there is. that statistic is done by a news organization based in europe. that is atrocious. ms. lynch: i'm not going to comment on news organizations. they do a pretty good job sometimes. you raise an important point about keeping track of what
happens. what we have seen with the incidents captured on videotape, people have been able to see what members of minority communities have talked about for decades if not generations about the different types of interactions people can have with law enforcement. and also, whether or not an officer is trained in calming a situation down or less the situation escalate. they have seen the difference that makes. it is hard for people to understand if they haven't experienced it, if they haven't had that since there is a divide and disconnect there. while we don't have actual numbers -- >> why? why can't this be something? is this something that congress has to pass a law that make it mandatory? what would it take for you to be a will to have these statistics? is lynch: one of the ways
through our work with local law enforcement. we do work with local law enforcement in a collaborative manner. they often reach out to the department for training, and sometimes we also have police .urisdictions one of the things we have been -- ferguson issued a report on ferguson's practices that were not just about policing but about the larger relationship of the municipality with the residence, which i will tell you if you have the opportunity to read -- >> it was stunning. it was sad. ms. lynch: it illustrates the rude causes of the disconnect many feel towards the police. the police are often the only face of government they see. police getthe the brunt of the anger and
confusion over municipal policies such as in ferguson. this exacerbates this distrust. when we have a consent decree or collaborative or perform we impose record-keeping on police departments. no one likes extra paperwork. i hear that all the time. they find it extremely helpful to able to indicate how many times a police officer settler interacts with a member of the community. how many times does it result in a ticket? and the officer having to draw the weapon? in shots being fired? there are some police firemen's there that do a job of recording how many times a shot is fired, if a weapon is discharged. >> some. we don't have a national system on this. ms. lynch: we don't. quite should we?
ms. lynch: one of the things we're focusing on is not trying to reach down from washington and dictate to every local department how they should handle the minutia of record-keeping. we are stressing to them these records must be capped. a lot of times it is a resource issue. the average size of a police department in this country is 55 people. a lot of them are very small. you minister pala these are challenge -- municipalities or challenge. it is a very important tool for tracking interactions. we encourage it. we are looking to encourage consistency of standards. you can get information from one department but if you can't match it up or married to other information it may not give you a true picture. the real issues here, statistics are important but the real issues are what steps are we all taking to connect communities that often feel this in franchise and disaffected with
the police and government? >> the rising crime rate. we have seen it here, a select number of cities here. milwaukee, 76%. murder rates. baltimore, 56%. have you found a trend yet? i know you are doing a summit in .week in is something happening out there? ms. lynch: every loss of life is a tragedy. i don't think we can confine anyone's death to noise. we are looking at this issue. we are looking to see if we identify the root causes of it. crime overall is down. we have persistent pockets where we see at times a resurgence in the violent crime rate. we're having a meeting next week. we're inviting not just the
mayors and police choose but the federal prosecutors of the cities affected by this to come to washington and sit down and talk about the trends they have seen. inirected the u.s. attorneys jurisdictions where this was an issue to convene a local gathering and talk with their local law enforcement about what they were seeing on the ground. is it a methamphetamine problem? -- a heroine problem. candidates are hearing about it front and center. new england and new hampshire has this huge here when issue. ms. lynch: heroine and opioids in general is still with us. u.s. attorneyshe to talk to local law enforcement. is it an issue arising out of gang violence? it's going to be different for every jurisdiction. >> another theory is to do with
as police have gotten a bad rap this year, do some criminals feel empowered? ms. lynch: when i have talked to police departments, specifically the six-time permits i have got to, community policing, the steps they are taking for de-escalation, they are cities were crime has gone down. police involvement is a helpful thing overall. that is what we are seeing. a lot of the focus has been about nonviolent drug offenders. one of the easiest ways you can clean this up is it the government rescheduled marijuana. marijuana is a schedule one drug. the equivalent of heroine. more lethal than vicodin. should -- would it be easier to deal with this sentencing issue of marijuana were reclassified.
ms. lynch: if you want to look at the population of people who have been subject to over incarceration at the federal level, we look at the situation from the societal cost in the financial cost. and the cost in human productivity. the majority of those individuals were victims of the cocaine and crack and balance. for us, at the federal level, we are looking at individuals, nonviolent offenders, not the king pins, not the importers of heroine and cocaine, that is the focus of the federal government. >> but if the reclassification of marijuana, would that make it easy for you to focus on the real offenders? ms. lynch: in terms of a federal prosecutor, we focus on those large-scale importers where the
violence occurs. unfortunately there is still a lot of violence associated with large-scale importation of marijuana. there is a lot of firearms involved. there is a lot of money changing hands. you will find that occurring. we focus on the larger scale dealers. in terms of rescheduling marijuana, we are looking at the nonviolent drug offenders who have been swept up in the crack and cocaine wars. a vital tool -- i remember those days. ira member the violence. ira member the fear in many communities. we're looking at the collateral consequences of those policies and trying to find a way to mitigate those. >> are you comfortable they are allowing the states to some marijuana legally, washington state?
ms. lynch: states have to make those decisions on their own. they listen to their citizens and take action. what we have said is states have to also have a system designed to mitigate violence associated with their marijuana industries and most importantly keep young people, children away from the products. the concern that we have, children gain access to products that look like candy or cookies and cakes. the purity is different and they are becoming very ill. we have concerns where a state that is not legalizing the substance sees people traveling across state lines to obtain it. we will still intervene in those areas. >> does there need to be tougher regulation? you mentioned the candy issue.
ms. lynch: we have a strong enforcement policy there. states need to have a regime in place to deal with these issues. the federal government is still intervening and looking at situations in cases where those are the issues. our overall call is the correction -- our overall goal is >> that's along with video of all the other events we cover. you can watch them online at the span.org. -- act c-span.org. >> utah governor gary herbert is a new chair of the national governors association. he will talk about policy ideas
coming from the governors and state government at the national press club. we will have live coverage at 1:00 eastern time here on c-span. >> the supreme court is scheduled to begin its new term on monday, earlier this year a poll was conducted for c-span of the supreme court and the impact of its decision. you can see here from the poll that some of the decisions are more familiar than others to american. roe v wade is at the top with 77%. familiar 46% are familiar with brown the board of education. here to talk more about the supreme court decisions in c-span's upcoming series is executive producer mark farkas. mark, tell us a little bit more about this series -- wayne c-span doing it >> part of our --
-- i think this poll really shows that the supreme court is relevant. thes encouraging for us, series that we are doing takes a look at 12 decisions over time that really have currency today. eight of those decisions are listed in that poll. i think it shows, one, that the court plays a very important role in society, and that the genesis of this was ruth bader ginsburg talking to the national constitution center dinner. they are our partners in this. she was talking to them about the case of loving versus virginia. there are two people involved in this case, so really what the court ought to be taking a look at is not only the decisions but people involved in
all these cases. we wanted to take a look at not only historic supreme court decisions but really the people involved, the personal stories, the people that care enough to take their case all the way to the supreme court. >> when will a series air? and more background about how these cases were chosen? >> this series is a 12 part series. it begins monday, october 5, as the court comes in for its new session. each monday night from 9:00 till a 90 minutell do program that takes a look at all these 12 cases. >> and the background on how these cases were chosen? how did you go about making those decisions ? there is a lot more than will be shown during this series. >> it was an interesting exercise. the supreme court has been meeting since 1790. we are trying to figure out how
many cases they decided. it is probably over 20,000. we had to narrow it down to 12. you can do a parlor game over it. we came up with 12, along with our partners of the constitution center we talked to constitutional scholars and legal scholars on the left and right to come up with this list. it was tough. there were a lot of great decisions, important decisions not on this list, but this is a good mix of different amendments to the constitution, personal stories, sometimes these cases are cases where the court got it right and set precedent that has followed all the way to today. some of these cases -- dred scott -- are cases where history has judged that the court was wrong. >> as we said, the supreme court takes off its new term on monday. tell us which case you will be featuring monday night win this series begins and why. >> monday night, we feature marbury versus madison, which is
really the foundation that chief justice roberts, justice ginsburg, and a lot of the justices quote today. it is one of the most often cited cases in history. what marbury versus madison does is it establishes the court as the ultimate arbiter of the constitution, judicial review, which is still being debated today. whether the court is stepping into much. there is a debate going on that shows there is relevance on whether the court should be deciding issues like gay marriage. marbury versus madison establishes that, but it is also a great case that shows a personal story line the cases. there is a battle going on between john adams, thomas jefferson, and john marshall behind the story of this case. but theseal import, are also personal stories that are engaging, and illuminating.
>> 9:00 p.m. monday night, tune in, c-span's "landmark cases." mark farkas, executive producer, appreciate it. leaders are, world in new york to speak at the opening of the united nations general assembly. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu used the opportunity to argue against lifting sanctions against iran. his remarks are 40 minutes. . his remarks or 40 minutes.
> ladies an prime minister netanyahu: ladies and gentlemen, i bring you greetings from jerusalem. the city in which the jewish people's hopes and prayers for peace for all of humanity have echoed throughout the ages. thirty-one years ago, as israel's ambassador to the united nations, i stood at this podium for the first time. i spoke that day against a resolution sponsored by iran to expel israel from the united nations. then as now, the un was obsessively hostile towards
israel, the one true democracy in the middle east. then as now, some sought to deny the one and only jewish state a place among the nations. i ended that first speech by saying, gentlemen, check your fanaticism at the door. more than 3 decades later, as the prime minister of israel, i am again privileged to speak from this podium. and for me, that privilege has always come with a moral responsibility to speak the truth. so after three days of listening to world leaders praise the nuclear deal with iran, i begin my speech today by saying,
ladies and gentlemen, check your enthusiasm at the door. you see, this deal doesn't make peace more likely. by fueling iran's aggressions with billions of dollars in sanctions relief, it makes war more likely. just look at what iran has done in the last six months alone, since the framework agreement was announced in lausanne. iran boosted its supply of devastating weapons to syria. iran sent more soldiers of its revolutionary guard into syria. iran sent thousands of afghani and pakistani shi'ite fighters to syria. iran did all this to prop up assad's brutal regime. iran also shipped tons of
weapons and ammunitions to the houthi rebels in yemen, including another shipment just two days ago. iran threatened to topple jordan. iran's proxy hezbollah smuggled into lebanon sa-22 missiles to down our planes, and yakhont cruise missiles to sink our ships. iran supplied hezbollah with precision-guided surface-surface missiles and attack drones so it can accurately hit any target in israel. iran aided hamas and islamic jihad in building armed drones in gaza. iran also made clear its plans to open two new terror fronts against israel, promising to arm palestinians in the west bank and sending its revolutionary guard generals to the golan heights, from which its operatives recently fired rockets on northern israel. israel will continue to respond
forcefully to any attacks against it from syria. israel will continue to act to prevent the transfer of strategic weapons to hezbollah from and through syrian territory. every few weeks, iran and hezbollah set up new terror cells in cities throughout the world. three such cells were recently uncovered in kuwait, jordan and cyprus. in may, security forces in cyprus raided a hezbollah agent's apartment in the city of larnaca. there they found 5 tons of ammonium nitrate, that's roughly the same amount of ammonium nitrate that was used to blow up
the federal building in oklahoma city. and that's just in one apartment, in one city, in one country. but iran is setting up dozens of terror cells like this around the world, ladies and gentlemen, they're setting up those terror cells in this hemisphere, too. i repeat, iran's been doing all of this, everything that i've just described, just in the last six months, when it was trying to convince the world to remove the sanctions. now just imagine what iran will do after those sanctions are lifted. unleashed and unmuzzled, iran will go on the prowl, devouring more and more prey. in the wake of the nuclear deal, iran is spending billions of
dollars on weapons and satellites. you think iran is doing that to advance peace? you think hundreds of billions of dollars in sanctions relief and fat contracts will turn this rapacious tiger into a kitten? if you do, you should think again. in 2013 president rouhani began his so-called charm offensive here at the un. two years later, iran is executing more political prisoners, escalating its regional aggression, and rapidly expanding its global terror network. you know they say, actions speak
louder than words. but in iran's case, the words speak as loud as the actions. just listen to the deputy commander of iran's revolutionary guard quds force. here's what he said in february, the islamic revolution is not limited by geographic borders. he boasted that afghanistan, iraq, lebanon, syria, palestine and yemen are among the countries being conquered by the islamic republic of iran. conquered. and for those of you who believe that the deal in vienna will bring a change in iran's policy, just listen to what iran's supreme leader ayatollah
khamenei said 5 days after the nuclear deal was reached, our policies towards the arrogant government of the united states will not change. the united states, he vowed, will continue to be iran's enemy. while giving the mullahs more money is likely to fuel more repression inside iran, it will definitely fuel more aggression outside iran. as the leader of a country defending itself every day against iran's growing aggression, i wish i could take comfort in the claim that this deal blocks iran's path to nuclear weapons. but i can't, because it doesn't. this deal does place several
constraints on iran's nuclear program. and rightly so, because the international community recognizes that iran is so dangerous. but you see here's the catch, under this deal, if iran doesn't change its behavior, in fact, if it becomes even more dangerous in the years to come, the most important constraints will still be automatically lifted by year 10 and by year 15. that would place a militant islamic terror regime weeks away from having the fissile material for an entire arsenal of nuclear bombs. that just doesn't make any sense. i've said that if iran wants to be treated like a normal
country, let it act like a normal country. but this deal, this deal will treat iran like a normal country even if it remains a dark theocracy that conquers its neighbors, sponsors terrorism worldwide and chants death to israel, death to america. does anyone seriously believe that flooding a radical theocracy with weapons and cash will curb its appetite for aggression? do any of you really believe that a theocratic iran with sharper claws and sharper fangs will be more likely to change its stripes? so here's a general rule that i've learned and you must have learned in your life time, when bad behavior is rewarded, it only gets worse. ladies and gentlemen, i have
long said that the greatest danger facing our world is the coupling of militant islam with nuclear weapons. and i'm gravely concerned that the nuclear deal with iran will prove to be the marriage certificate of that unholy union. i know that some well-intentioned people sincerely believe that this deal is the best way to block iran's path to the bomb.
but one of history's most important yet least learned lessons is this, the best intentions don't prevent the worst outcomes. the vast majority of israelis believe that this nuclear deal with iran is a very bad deal. and what makes matters even worse is that we see a world celebrating this bad deal, rushing to embrace and do business with a regime openly committed to our destruction. last week, maj.gen. salehi, the commander of iran's army, proclaimed this, we will annihilate israel for sure. we are glad that we are in the forefront of executing the supreme leader's order to destroy israel.
and as for the supreme leader himself, a few days after the nuclear deal was announced, he released his latest book. here it is. it's a 400-page screed detailing his plan to destroy the state of israel. last month, khamenei once again made his genocidal intentions clear before iran's top clerical body, the assembly of experts. he spoke about israel, home to over six million jews.
he pledged, quote, there will be no israel in 25 years, end quote. 70 years after the murder of six million jews, iran's rulers promised to destroy my country, murder my people and the response from this body, the response from nearly every one of the governments represented here has been absolutely nothing. utter silence. deafening silence. perhaps you can understand why israel is not joining you in
and if this deal were unleashing a nuclear arms race in your neighborhood, perhaps you'd be more reluctant to celebrate. but don't think that everyone is only a danger to israel. toa run is only a danger israel. besides its aggression in the middle east and terror around the world, it ran is building -- building ballistic missiles whose sole purpose is to carry nuclear warheads. remember this. iran already has missiles that can reach israel, so does intercontinental ballistic missiles are not meant for us. -- they arer you meant for you. for europe. for america. for raining down mass
destruction, anytime, anywhere. it is not gentlemen, easy to oppose something that is embraced by the greatest powers in the world. believe me, it would be far easier to remain silent. thethroughout our history, jewish people have learned the heavy price of silence. and as the prime minister of the jewish state, as someone who knows that history, i refuse to be silent. [applause]
i will say it again. the days when the jewish people remain passive in the face of genocidal enemies, those days are over. [applause] nothing passes means -- passive means speaking up about those dangerous. we have, we are, we will. not being passive also means defending ourselves against those dangerous. we have, we are, and we will. [applause]
iranel will not allow to break in, sneak in, or walk into the nuclear weapons club. [applause] i know that presenting iran from developing -- preventing iran from developing nuclear weapons remains the goal of the nuclear -- international community. but no one should question israel's capability to defend against those who seek our destruction. there wereneration, those who rose up to destroy our people. in antiquity we faced destruction from the ancient empires of babylon and rome. in the middle ages, we faced inquisition and expulsion. and in modern times, we faced progroms and the holocaust.
yet, the jewish people persevered. and now another regime has arisen, swearing to destroy israel. that regime would be wise to consider this. today representing israel, a country 67 years young, but the nationstate of a people nearly 4000 years old. yet the empires of babylon and rome are not represented in this hall of nations. neither is there thousand year reich. those seemingly invincible empires are long gone. but israel lives. the people of israel live. [applause]
the rebirth of israel is a testament to the indomitable spirit of my people. for 100 generations, the jewish people dreamed of returning to the land of israel. hours, and darkest we had so many, even in our darkest hours, we never gave up hope of rebuilding our internal capital of jerusalem -- eternal g lucidum. the establishment of israel made realizing that dream possible. it has enabled us to live as a free people in our ancestral homeland. it has enabled us to embrace jews who have come from the four corners of the earth to find refuge from persecution. europe,e from war-torn from yemen, iraq, morocco,
ethiopia and the soviet union. from 100 other lands. as the rising tide of anti-semitism once again sweeps across europe and elsewhere, many jews come to israel to join us in building the jewish future. here is my message to the rulers of iran. your plan to destroy israel will fail. [applause] israel will not permit any force on earth to threaten its future. and here's my message to all the countries represented here. whatever resolutions you may adopt in this building, whatever decisions you may take in your capitals, israel will do
whatever it must do to defend our state and defend our people. [applause] distinguished delegates, as this deal with iran moves ahead, i hope you will enforce it. how can i put this -- with a little more rigor then you showed with the six security council resolutions that iran has systematically violated, and which now has been effectively discarded. make sure that the inspectors actually inspect. sanctionsthat the actually snapback.
and to make sure that iran's violations aren't swept under the persian rug. [applause] of one thing i can assure you. israel will be watching. closely. what the international community now needs to do is clear. iran comply with nuclear obligations. [applause] second, check iran's regional aggression. support those fighting iran's aggression beginning with israel. [applause] sanctions and all
the tools available to you to tear down iran's global terror network. [applause] gentlemen, israel is working closely with our arab peace partners to address our common security challenges from a run -- iran and also the security challenges from isis and from others. we are also working with other states in the middle east. as well as countries in africa and asia, and beyond. many in our region note that isis are our common enemies. and when your enemies fight each other, don't strengthen either one. -- weaken both.
common dangers are bringing israel and its neighbors closer. as we work together to thwart those dangers, i hope we will build lasting partnerships. lasting partnerships for security, for prosperity, and for peace. we never forget one thing. we never forget that the most important partner that israel has, has always been and will always be the united states of america. [applause] the alliance between israel and the united states is unshakable. [applause]
president obama and i agree on the need to keep arms out of the terror property. we agree on the need to does -- stop iran from destabilizing countries throughout the middle east. israel appreciates president obama's willingness to bolster our security, help israel maintain its qualitative military edge, and help israel confront the enormous challenges we face. israel is grateful that this bytiment is widely shared the american people and its representatives in congress by both those who supported the deal and those who oppose it. [applause] president obama and i have both said that our differences over the nuclear deal are a disagreement within the family.
disagreemento about the need to work together to secure our common future. and what a great future it could be. placed --uniquely the promise of the 21st century. israel is a world leader in science and technology. water,r, software, agriculture, medicine, biotechnology, and so many other fields that are being anvolutionized by israeli ingenuity and innovation. israel is the innovation nation. israeli know-how is everywhere. it is in your computer's
microprocessors and flash drives. it is in your smartphones. when you send instant messages and navigate your cars, it is on your farms when you drink berry irrigation your crops. it is in your universities when prize-winningbel discoveries in chemistry and economics. it is in your medicine cabinets when you use drugs to treat parkinson's disease and multiple sclerosis. it is even on your plate, when you eat the delicious cherry tomatoes. that was perfected in israel, in case you didn't know. we are so proud in israel. strides our country has made in such a short time. we are so proud, that our small country is making such a huge contribution to the entire
world. yet, the dreams of our people, -- enshrined p for eternity by the great prophets of the bible, those dreams will be fully realized only when there is peace. as the middle east descends into agreementsel's peace with egypt and jordan are two cornerstones of stability. israel remains committed to achieving peace with the palestinians as well. [applause] israelis know the price of four. -- war. i know the price of war. i was nearly killed in battle. i lost many friends.
beloved brother. ware who know the price of can best appreciate what the blessings of peace would mean for ourselves, our children, our grandchildren. immediately, to and immediately resume peace negotiations with the palestinian authority without any preconditions whatsoever. [applause] unfortunately, president ab bad said yesterday that he is not prepared to do this. i hope he changes his mind, because i remained -- remain
committed to a vision of two states for two peoples in which a demilitarized palestinian state recognizes the jewish state. the peace process began over two decades ago. efforts ofe the best s,x israeli prime minister the palestinians have consistently refused to end the conflict and make a final peace with israel. you heard that rejection yet again only yesterday from president abbas. how can israel make peace with the palestinian partners, who refuses to even sit at the negotiation table? israel expects the palestinian authority to abide by its
commitments. the palestinians should not walk away from peace. , i know it iss not easy. i know it is hard. but we all it to our people to it to our people to try, to continue to try. because together, if we actually negotiate and stop negotiating about the negotiation, if we actually sit down and try to resolve this conflict between , notecognize each other you as a palestinian state, as a stepping stone for another islamic state, but something that will live in peace with a jewish state. if we actually do that, we can do remarkable things for our
people. [applause] the u.n. can help advance peace by supporting direct, unconditional negotiations between the parties. the u.n. want help peace -- peace, won't help advance peace, by trying to impose solutions or by encouraging palestinian rejectionism. , distinguished delegates, should do one more thing. the u.n. should finally rid itself of the obsessive bashing of israel. examplejust one absurd of this obsession.
in four years of horrific violence in syria, more than a quarter of the million -- quarter of a million people have lost their lives. that is more than 10 times, more than 10 times the number of palestinians combined who have lost their lives in a century of conflict between us. this assembly adopted 20 resolutions against israel, and just one resolution about savage slaughter in syria. talk about injustice. disproportionality. 20, count them. one against syria. frankly, i'm not surprised.
to borrow a line from yogi berra, the late great baseball player and part-time philosopher , when it comes to the annual bashing of israel at the u.n., it is deja vu all over again. [applause] enough. after i stayed here for the first time, i am still asking, when will the u.n. finally check its anti-israel fanaticism at the door? finally stop u.n. slandering israel as a threat to peace, and actually start helping israel advance peace? the same question should be posed to palestinian leaders. art workingou st
with israel to advance peace and reconciliation, and stop inciting hatred and violence? , here is a good place to begin. stop spreading lies about israel's elected intentions -- alleged intentions on the temple mount's. israel is fully committed to maintaining the status quo there. what president abbas should be speaking out against are the actions of militant islamists, who are smuggling expos -- explosives, and trying to prevent jews and christians from visiting the holy sites. that is the real threat to these sacred sites. [applause] 1000 years before the birth of christianity, more than 1500
years before the birth of islam, king david made jerusalem our capital. and king solomon built the mount. on that yet israel will always respect in aacred shrines of all, region plagued by violence and by unimaginable intolerance. in which islamic fanatics are trying, are destroying the ancient treasures of civilization, israel stands out as a towering economic enlightenment and tolerance, far from endangering the holy sites, it is israel that ensures their safety. [applause] because unlike the powers who ruled jerusalem in the past, israel respects the holy sites
and freedom of worship of all jews, muslims, christians, everyone. [applause] that, ladies and gentlemen, will never change, because israel will always stay true to its values. these values are on display each 'sd every day, when israel parliament vigorously debate every issue under the sun. sitsisrael seeks justice, in her chair as our free 6 -- fiercely independent supreme court. when our christian community continues to grow and thrive from year-to-year, as christian communities are decimated elsewhere in the middle east. a brilliant young israeli muslim student gets her valedictorian address at one of our finest universities, and when israeli doctors and nurses,
doctors and nurses from the israeli military, treat thousands of wounded from the killing fields of syria and thousands more in the wake of natural disasters from haiti to nepal. this is the true face of israel. these are the values of israel. these the middle east, values are under savage assault by militant islamists, who are forcing millions of terrified people to flee to distant shores. a fewes from isis, hundred yards from iran's murderous proxies, israel stands in the breach, proudly and courageously defending freedom and progress. israel is civilizations front line in the battle against barbarism. so here a novel idea for the united nations. theead of continuing
shameful routine of bashing israel, stand with israel. stand with israel as we check the fanaticism at our door. stand with israel as we prevent that fanaticism from reaching your door. ladies and gentlemen, stand with israel, because israel is not just defending itself. more than ever, israel is defending you. [applause] >> i wish of the prime minister
explores the events of the april 26, 1913 murder of 13-year-old mary. and the arrest and lynching. ministration documentary on the supply and demand of fossil fuels in the u.s.. and it look at alternative and resources. get our complete weekend schedule at www.c-span.org. the c-span cities tour. working with our cable affiliates and visiting cities across the country. this week and we are joined by comcast to learn more about the history and literary life of
santa rosa, california. we look at the evolution of the wine industry in sonoma county. sonoma county agriculture history began with fine. the first wines planted here whereby general bullet hell -- vallejo. general they were mission grapes. would in their right mind make one back then. label began in the 70's. i the 80's and 1990's, we were better and better known. >> when my parents first purchased the ranch in the late 50's, they did not know it at the time, but they saw quite a change in the agriculture industry.
just in our little valley here. it has not always been the wine country. storieda wonderful agriculture history here. >> we also visit the jack london state historic park. >> we are on jack london's beauty ranch, also known as the ranch of good intentions. this is where he lived until his death in 1916. jack london probably would have been writing long hand when people came upon him in his office. he was productive year. two thirds of his writing was published after he moved here. books like "white fang" was published a year after he bought his ranch property. "little lady in the big house" was published when he was here. he spent two hours a day
writing. he wrote 1000 words a day before breakfast. a lot of his time was spent because he was trying to build of beauty ranch, the ranch good intentions, so it could be a model. >> see all of our programs on saturday at noon eastern on c-span two's book tv and sunday afternoon at 2:00 on american history tv on c-span3. >> immigration officials testified at a senate hearing about the obama administration's plan to admit more refugees. the security screening process is discussed and the cost of the proposal. this is two hours. >> good afternoon. thank you all for being with us.
thank you all for being had a v had to vote early and then come by. i'm sorry we did not get to start quite on time. i would like everyone present to be able to watch the hearing without obstruction. if people stand or speak out of turn, it is not fair nor considerate to others, and officers will remove those individuals from the room. before we begin with opening statements, i would like to explain how we will proceed. we have one panel of witnesses today. i will make an opening statement, followed by opening statements from senator shumer or grassling or durbin. following their statements,
we'll begin the first round of statements. when each senator completes questioning, we will have a second round of questions. if there are no objections, i will start with my opings statement. the hearing today will focus on the refugee settlement program for 2016. we will examine the economic and security implications of the administration's plan to boost the number of admission of refugees to 200,000 over two years, including a large increase in syrian resettlement. before addressing the policy
question of whether or not to admit additional groups of refugees, we should consider the broader immigration stances we have in our country. this week marks the 50th nniversary of the 1965 nationality act. pugh has done some exhaustive study on the act, and here are some of their findings from the department of d.h.s., department of homeland security. immigration, including the children of post-1965 immigrants have added 72 million to our population of 330 million. one-fifth of the world's immigrants live in the united states. no other country has taken in more than 1 in 20. we have taken in six times more
immigrants than all of latin america and 10 million more than the european union who has a more than 50% greater population. so we permanently resettle more than 500,000 immigrants from the middle east since 9/11. today 1-7 people in america are foreign born. we will soon eclipse the highest levels roareded in the country. 6-10 in the ays, 20th decade witness immigration declines. every decade of the 21st century we will see rapidly rising immigration, with each new decade setting records. pugh polls show that by by a more than 3-1 margin the public
would like to see immigration reduced rather thn increased. according to rass musen only 7% 300,000 ssen, only re-- support knowledgible experts have linked the huge increase in the foreign labor supply to the crippling wage stagnation and joblessness that's affecting many of our workers. the situation in syria is a
serious one, but it cannot be solved by resettling large numbers of people from that area. it would be more appropriate to effectively support the refugees in locations closer to their homes with the long-term goal of being able to return them safely to their homes. that is why the middle easterns clearly must take the larger lead in resettling their nation's refugees. it is not sound policy. to respond to the -- it is not sound policy to respond by remove moving millions from their homes. resettling in the region is more likely to produce long-term reforms. 3-24 seeking immigration in
europe are not from syria. in a september 23 "the washington post" article this is what they report. "there are well dressed iranians speaking farsi who allege they are from persecuted iraq. there are pakistanises, albanis, kosovars from countries with plenty of poverty and violence but no war. it would come as no surprise if many migrants are pretending their someone else. the prize, after all, is the possibility of benefits, residency, and work in europe." close quote. so we will have that same problem here. and we do have that problem here. the ceiling was posed at 75 million admitted in the next
fiscal year. they said they -- 75,000. they plan to accept 80,000 next year and 100,000 the next year. once here with refugee status, those refugees can claim any job and collect any federal welfare benefit. research from the department of health and human services office of refugee resettlement indicates that 75% of refugees receive food stamps and more than half receive free health care and cash benefits. for refugees from the middle east, the numbers are even higher. more than 90% of middle eastern refugees draw food stamps and about 70% receive free health care and cash welfare. refugee settlement also comes with security risk. as we witnessed with the surge somali refugee
ommunities in america. anyone must who wants to resettle must ask the difficult questions about assimilation and community safety. this is certainly true with respect to countries like syria where we have little or no information about who the people are. no background information, no ability to determine whether they are radicalized now or might become radicalized after their arrival in the united tates. the f.b.i. assistant director for counter terrorism did not have, quote, the systems in place on the ground, close quote, to properly screen refugees. hat's pretty prite fright -- that's pretty frightening, actually.
she was brought to america at the age of 2 with her brother and sister. my grandmother carried them off a boat in baltimore and put them on a train to what they considered to be the promised and, east st. louis, illinois. my grandmother did not speak english very well, but she was lifemined to have a better for her familiar and her children. as her son, i ended up with a full-time job. when you reflect on my story, it isn't just mine, it is america's story. it is who we are. we are a nation of immigrants. on the issue of refugees, there are two members of the united states senate who are the sons of refugees. one is president of the united states. i want to put this in context. we are talking about real lives and real people.
today we are talking about the worst humanitarian crisis of our ime. this refugee crisis has almost 60 million people who have been forcibly displaced from their homes around the world. syria is the epicenter. when they ask me what i think of when you say the two words "vietnam war, instantly my impression is a photo image of m a little girl with napal naked running down the road crying. what is my image of this syrian crisis? a 3-year-old syrian boy who drown in the mediterranean. i looked at that little corpse that washed up on the shore and thought, that's my grandson. that's the image i take from the syrian refugee crisis.
more than four million syrians have registered as refugees, including almost 2 million clirn. thousands are unaccompanied and separated from their parents. they are not economic my grants. they are refugees fleeing from their lives. snrarr says, "no one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark." the syrian crisis places great strain on many countries. the tiny country of lebanon, population 4.2 million now hosts 1.2 million registered syrian refugees. more syrian refugees than any other country in the world. that's almost 30% of their
population. jordan going through the same type of strain. do we have any obstacle gage in -- do we states to have an obligation to address this? i think we do. the united states is the most nerous donar to the syrian refugees than any other country in the world. after last year's hearing, i held a hearing on syrian refugee crisis. so far the united states of --rica has accepted about 16 1,600 syrian refugees. a small number. may i join with 13 other to admit at ng least 16,000 by the end of 2016.
the administration is now looking at 10 ,000. why does it take so long? because our vetting process is very careful. it takes 14 to 24 months after the initial interview for a refugee to be admitted into the united states. this notion that we just throw our doors open and say come on board is not true at all. i've gone through a classified briefing, and the back grouvend checks we impose on these people are very serious and they thorough, and they take a long, long time. germany has announced they are taking 800,000 refugees. their average time for vetting four months. ours is 18 to 24 months. we are careful. if we are going to show we have a heart, we are also going to be thoughtful about it, too, and do everything humanly possible to prevent a dangerous person from come -- coming to our country.
what is the lesson. there is a lesson from world war ii, isn't there? maybe the ship called the st. louis? they came to our shores. they said if you don't take us, we will go back to our homes and die. we didn't take them. hey returned to the holocaust. in vietnam i think some 400,000 ended up coming to the united states. soviet jews allowed to come to this country to avoid persecution 200,000. when it came to cuban refugees the numbers are now about 650,000, including as i mentioned earlier, the fathers of two of our colleagues in the united states us, one of whom is running for president. we resettled refugees from the former yugoslavia. the reason i want to raise that point is because there is something that must be said.
we have talk bd many muslims who have come to the united states and become an important part of our country. in my condo building there are bosnian ms. n -- limbs who are so proud to be part of the united states and proud to be part of this country. we will enter a letter signed by 400 faith -- let me close by saying on an economic basis, it is true. many of these refugees come here dirt poor and need a helping hand. the statistics will also tell us at that changes very, very quickly. as soon as they can command enough of the english language, they are off and working. -- let john shall shall
shalikashvili. i didn't mention steve jobs. the son of a syrian immigrant. i would hope today that as we reflect on this issue we reflect on history. i would like to introduce the members of the subcommittee to hasam alustrum. he fled his home in 2013 after his house was shelled by a missile from the syrian army. he moved into another house with five other families, and that house was shelled as well. he moved to another neighborhood, but barrel bombs were being dropped in that neighborhood. he fled syria with his wife, suha, and two children. after a difficult journey he nded up in jordan where he replied for refugees status. he came here on june 16 this
year. he now works two jobs. he moves furniture during the day and he's a baker at night in order to support his family. mr. alustrum is not a terrorist, and he's not a fiscal drain on our country. we should be proud that our country has welcomed him and his family. that is what our country is about. that's what i hope my colleagues will understand. >> thank you, senator disturb-in. thank you to your guest who you introduced. we are looking for a good sound policy and does so in a smart and effective way. ley, do you have a statement you would like to put into the record? >> i may have a statement i would like to put in the record.
>> i have to leave a little early, but i want to put my statement in the record as well. senator durbin mentioned the work we have done to get more refugees in our country. just coming from a state that senator franken and i represent. we are so proud of our mung population. we took in this mung population that fought on our side in the war in vietnam. they are now in our community and thriving. it is a major part of our state's fabric of life. i think people have to remember that when we talk about this issue because as senator durbin aid, 90 of our fortune 500 countries were formed by immigrants. i hope we think about that when we consider this refugee issue. thank you, mr. chair.
>> all right. if the panel would stand, raise your right hand and take the oath. would you affirm that the testimony you are about to give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you god? [witnesses answer affirmatively] mr. durbin: you may take your seats. first we have mr. bart let, director of the refugees admission office of the u.s. department of state's bureau of population refugees and migration. he previously served various state research violation and in a variety of positions with the peace corps. next we have barbara strak. as chief ofhe uscis
deputy affairs in 2005. she previously held positions with the national immigration forum. the former immigration and natural zation service, couge counsel to private practice of aw in washington d.c. and with the department of homeland security. next we have mr. matthew emrich from the u.s. citizenship and immigration service, also with homeland security. before selected as acting social director, he served as dreptti associate director of fdns and has over 21 years of immigration, law enforcement, and intelligence experience. before his civilian government employment, he served on eight
years active duty in the u.s. marine corpse. he has also worked in baghdad as a delloyd senior for the multinational services in iraq. finally we have mr. bob kerry. ffice of refugee resettlement. mr. kerry served as vice president of resettlement and migration policy leading the agency's advocacy on refugee and anti-trafficking and community development policy issues. he also served as chair of the refugee council u.s.a. so this is a good panel with much experience in it and lead key agencies that are critical how we handle the refugee program. plmbart let, if you would give us your opening statement.
mr. bartlett: thank you for holding this hearing and thank you for the opportunity to appear before you with the department of homeland security and health and human services and to update you on the measures we've taken to protect refugees around the world and provide new homes to some of the most full nerable. according to the united nations high commissioner for refugees there are nearly 22 million refugees in the world. the vast jort of refugees will receive support in the countries to which they fled until they can voluntarily and safely return home. the united states contributes to the programs of unhcr, the international for red cross and other international and nongovernmental organizations that provide protection and assistance to refugees until they can return home. in 1202014, some 126,000 refugees voluntarily repatriated to their country of origin. that's the lowest recorded
number since 1983. an even smaller number will be resettled in another country. l the -- the united states welcomes over half of these refugees. since 1975, americans have welcomed over three million refugees from all over the world. the united states admission's program reflects the united states highest values and aspirations of compassion, generosity, and leadership. resettlement opportunities are refocused on refugees that have immediate needs for durrable and lasting solutions. while maintaining our leadership role in humanitarian mission, an integ radical part of this mission is to ensure that
refugee status goes to those not a threat to our country. we are currently looking for defecting fraud for those seeking settlement in the united states. we are more -- our research is more intense than any other .pplicant to the us -- u.s. we collaborate closely with the help of disease control to protect citizens of the united tates. the program will grow to serve refugees, 10,000 of which will include syrian refugees. the program enjoys substantial support from state and local government.
the program resettles refugees o 48 states, 173 cities in 304 sites. as a public-private partnership it requires the support of american non-governmental organizations, charities, faith-based groups, and thousands of volunteers and supporters of the program in hundreds of communities across the country. recently the department of state has received an out-pouring of interest from community organizations wishing to help with syrian refugee resettlement -- ms. strack: thank you for the pportunity to testify today.
this program has consistently benefited from the support of d.h.s.ues from uscis and as a whole. including the fraud detection and national security directorate. as reflected by this panel today, we work closely across departments. the refugee resettlement program has forged strong and deep relationships with colleagues in the national enforcement communities and we continue to benefit from their expertise, analysis and collaboration. it simply would not be possible to support a resettlement program of the size and scope
the u.s. maintains today without this critical interagency infrastructure. as you know, the united states has a proud history of helping refugees from around the world. uscis remains dedicated to fulfilling this mission. an integral part of this is to make sure that help goes to those who are eligible and do not present a threat to our country. we continue to employ the highest security levels to risks to our country. -- these y includes are being applied more broadly to all nationalities, including
syrians, which represent a growing portion of our case load. a refugee applicant is not approved for travel until all security checks have been obtained and cleared. we conduct individual and personal interviews with applicants to determine their ligibility for refugee status. we place great emphasis on providing highest quality aining to our adjudicators this involves detailed training, ncluding special training on training in which outside experts participate. officers assess the credibility of applicants and determine if their testimony is consistent with known country conditions.
given the remote and sometimes difficult locations, uscis coordinates every quarter. in a kip cal quarter, we will elow 116 staff in 16 or 17 locations. as a result, we have met the refugee ceiling of 70,000 for a third year in a row. uscis is prepared to work closely with the state department and other interagency partners to support refugees of 85,000, including at least 10,000 syrian refugees. we will continue to look for opportunities to tream line our operations wlile maintaining our national security. when i meet with new officers, i talk about the long-standing helping. of
we are committed to preserving this american hall mark. i would like to thank the subcommittee for this opportunity to testify, and i would be happy to hear your questions. -- emric whfment: emrich. n: mr. mr. emrich: this enhanced review is performed by head quarters based staff from the fraud security directorate or fdns. i would like to take a moment to describe the role of fdns also
within the d.c. based intelligence division. ns also has full-time layson head quarters at the f.b.i. terrorist screening center. we rely on these every day connections to share information with our law enforcement and intelligence partners at the head quarters level, both proactively and when asked, and these kecks also reinforce the established information sharing agreements that exist within the security check rubric. before refugee applicants are scheduled in the field, syrian cases are reviewed by a refugee ffairs division officer.
all cases that meet certain criteria and referred for additional research and review. fdns intelligence conduct classified research on referred cases and synthesize assessment by the interview officer. this information provides case-specific questions regarding regional activity and is used by the interviewing officer related to the applicants eligibility and credibility. thout this review process, fdns engages with law enforcement and intelligence community members to obtain additional clarifing information or to deconflict to ensure d.c. ns activities will not adversely affect law enforcement investigations. hen we note issues, we use standard interagency protocols
or provides information to existing records. we draft reports that alert agencies in the intelligence community of information that meets intelligence requirements. we work closely with our law enforcement and intelligence community partners to identify options for new screening opportunities to enhance the existing process. we are doing this con taggantly. in addition to the checks i've described, refugees that travel to the place i've described travel to the point of entry. the screening at the point of entry are conducted by the national security transportation administration. the humanitarian crisis in the middle east is severe and we are reminded on an lom almost daily basis for the atrocities that have been occurring from some ime now and are occurring now.
in the country have been provided safe haven in the united states along with freedom from persecution and displacement. l departments of homeland security and state work together to respond to needs of refugees through the u.s. refugees admissions program. in fiscal year 2015 more than -- these programs assist refugees, ylees, victims of torture, foreign-born victims of human trafficking, and special immigrant visa holders to employed as self-sufficient after their arrival. at an extensive public-private partnership network. our programs are designed to
facilitate refugees' life in the united states. we strive to provide the benefits necessary for refugees. we offer time-limited support for individuals not eligible for other public benefits. through programs administered by states and other non-profit organizations, we provide cash eight ations up to months. also foster care programs for refugee miners, certain ninors granted juvenile status and lep for thoses who have been a part of some severe form of human trafficking. even language instruction, case management, social adjustment services, and interpreter
services. these funds are allocated prior to two years prior to arrival which accounts for refugees and other entrants movements to other states as well. our programs also support developmental, these focus on financial literacy, matching savings in support of core purchases and business start-ups that employ thousands of individuals. a portion of new entrants participate in the matching grant spram. -- ugh this program self-sufficient within their first four months in the u.s. 6 -- u.s. in 2013 they reported economic self-sufficiency rates of 76% for refugees at 180 days after
arrival. given the proven success of arrival, the president's budget proposes a 22 million increase to the $216 matching grant program. finally i would like to share with you the story of one refugee. this family was forced to leave. due to family members employment and threats to delr lives. starting over was a challenge for rick as it is for all refugees. ' applied for more than 7 hookup hundred jobs while attending english language classes. his first job in the u.s. was working at a grocery store. a car ears later he owns dealership. his business has been open two years. and he now is helping other refugees and individuals from the community to buy their first
cars. his determination to succeed is representative of the determination i see of so many refugees in our country. despite unimaginable hardships and problems, they arrive not seeking handouts but trying to achieve to the american dream. i welcome your interest in the u.s. resettlement program. thank you for the opportunity to xplain our work.
senator sessions: you mentioned self-sufficiency. you define self-sufficiency to include government assistance reports. do you not? r. carey: the matching grant self-sufficiency rates include people employed 180 days after arrival. senator sessions: they may be eligible for food stamps, medicaid, and other assistance programs. isn't that correct? : refugees adjust to legal resident status after one year. during their tisme assistance they are eligible as other individuals would be during their first eight months in the united states. senator sessions: i'm trying to clarify this so we can fully
understand it. as i understand it from 2008 to 2013 refugees from the middle east, for example, 91% are eligible and receive s.n.a.p., food stamp benefits, and high percentages receive cash benefits, housing benefits, and medicaid. shark? -- is that correct? mr. carey: those figures include refugees receiving benefits during their initial resettlement period as provided through states and local governments. i think we should know that because they are immediately available for the same aid programs that we provide american citizens and that most of them will be starting at lower incomes and become igible for health care and
other benefits. mr. bartlett, in general, it is important for me to ask my staff, how does this really work? maybe you would be the one to ask. refugees typically go about 90% to the u.n. who then give them and send at number least some of them to the united states' nine resettlement office around the globe. is that correct? usnrartlett: first of all, form of gest assistance overseas. it is not just about getting
them here but giving them an opportunity to go home, should they choose to. they work with unhr and are our primary partner. one thing i would like to say in response to helping people u.s. has hetched -- senator sessions: does some of that go to the u.n.? mr. bartlett: it goes primarily to the united nations and a host of n.g.o.'s. we wo work with them because they know how to do the jobs. senator sessions: and we are the largest contributors? mr. bart lefment tt: that is correct. there does come a point in time where the strain on the hosting
countries -- jordan, turkey, lebanon, the big three -- becomes immense, and we want to do our part through resettlement. at that time, the unhcr, because they have field level people working in camps where they have p ngo's doing that, identifies specific people, specific families who they consider most vulnerable. senator sessions: the u.n. would send it to your people, you them,then eval -- valuate or take information from them, and then it goes to homeland security who does personal interviews. is that correct? >> yes, sir, that's correct. i know you have a good plan
there, mr. emrich, but there is no place to check. then if they are approved, their air fair is provided to the united states? >> not only do they go through security checks but they go through health exams. we do that not only for the health of the refugee but also for the citizens of the uts us -- united states. once they arrive, they sign a promissory note to pay back the lone. we have an 80% repayment rate, and that money goes back into future refugee programs. senator sessions: mr. carey, we just need to be aware when we talk about the cost of the program -- and we have a billion dollar cost, colleagues we are not talking about the new stress
on medicaid, food stamps, housing hospitals, the allowances they may be entitled to, and other costs of that kind that have not been provided. is that correct? you are not estimating that, mr. carey? then ey: they are eligible for services on a means-tested basis in the communities in which they resettle. senator sessions: do they have to wait a year before they become eligible for food stamps and medicaid? >> they are eligible for services for eight months under he o.o.r. program.
>> thank you for calling this important meeting. thank you for being here. thank you for your service past and present. i want to go back to trying to understand whether we have the resources and coordination necessary to do this safely. before i do, i can't help but point out that a lot of this crisis is created -- if we talk about the syrian situation, but we are talking about far beyond. this is 10,000 or so syrian refugees. but in the case of syria we have a despotic regime, and i think a policy there that has finally led the syrian fleem to believe they simply cannot live with any sense of comfort and safety within this country. it is already playing out in the hundreds of thousands.
if you look at what the e.u. is doing, it is a crisis. and in some cases it is a crisis because of fails policies of the united states trying to stablize t. now mr. carey said we are going to increase the number of efugees to 75,000. then a couple weeks later, he said that many go as high as 100,000. he was more or less setting a floor for the syrians in particular. we know this is a larger number, somewhere between 85,000 and 100,000. i'm trying to get the math to work.