tv Munk Debate on Foreign Policy CSPAN October 3, 2015 11:41am-1:32pm EDT
speak in both french and english which is customary in canada. this is just under two hours. >> russians current leaders are not simply the rulers of the nation they literally the countries enemies. >> i appeared to sacrifice the african continent for some free-market ideology. >> then you will come back and you are rattled and shaken up. >> it seems to be hard for somebody else that it's time to change. >> the 21st century will belong to china but most centers
have belonged to china. >> blaming barack obama for the state of the world is in right now is like blaming a caribbean island for hurricane. >> the lesson of her career has been a few arrests third world dysfunctional country that has managed to acquire a nuclear weapon view. >> if you want to engage in humanitarian intervention do it with your own sons and daughters, not with mine. >> welcome to the munk debate on canada's foreign policy. [speaking french] is my privilege to have the opportunity to host tonight's historic proceedings. the first-ever federal election debate devoted exclusively to
foreign-policy issues. [speaking french] first a national television audience. this debate in french and english nationwide on cpac and ch ch television and in france on sirius xm and c-span also a warm hello to our on line audience. monk debates.com and on the web sites of our official media partners facebook canada and -- and finally hello to you, over 3000 members of the munk debates who fill the hall to capacity. >> translator: .
[speaking french] >> let's get our debate under underway. ladies and gentlemen is my pleasure to welcome mr. mulcair leader of the new democratic party of canada. [applause] >> manning asked up as mr. stephen harper the leader of the -- party cabinet. [applause] >> welcome mr. harper for the conservative party of canada.
and finally let me welcome mr. justin trudeau leader of the liberal party of canada. [applause] >> gentlemen we are led to finally have the preview here on stage. we have all agreed to the rules of this debate in advance and want to quote is a friendly reminder we will respect each other's right to speak in order to make points uninterrupted. so let's get started. right now the world is witnessing the largest humanitarian crisis since the second world war. as the conflict in syria and northern iraq rages on. mr. mulcair you have pledged as prime minister to pull canada's military forces out of the international coalition fighting isis. a question for you is if the threat the islamic state represents doesn't justify a military response when budha and
ndp government to use military force? >> you have 90 seconds to respond. canada would remain a member of us but only 12 involved in the combat mission. >> translator: permits important to remember that here this evening we are in the same room where we had jack latham and i will continue jack's work and i will take the same koback y. values of solidarity sustainable economic development we wants to protect the world.
we don't want a canada that goes to war. it's a candidate that respects values. >> this election is about change and there is no area that needs for change then foreign affairs. the prime minister has to -- we have to make sure that we have a place on the world stage that we missed our spot on the security council. we are the only country with a kyoto protocol. i will defend the canadian values on the world stage.
requests from the united nations to take in 10,000 by christmas. mr. harper not going to get near that number. they want 46,000. the government will get it done. in terms of refugees canada's response has been generous and responsible we have admitted 15% of all the world refugees in the region. in terms of the response even before in the headlines i announced our intention to
accept additional refugees i since announced a number of changes to expedite that number. and we're doing so while at the same time making sure that we choose the refugee that is we choose those genuine and the most vulnerable people and also maintain all standards of security and other screening. this is a generous and responsible approach. >> i want to refocus the discussion. we'll have ample opportunity to talk about this later. follow up precisely on where the got would intervene and why. >> sure. it's happened because we do talk, believe it or not. the prime minister consulted me when france was looking for heavy air lift capacity. i agreed spontaneously. that's the thing canada could do. i gave you the libyan example. with regard to isis there are things we can be doing. canada is one of the only countries in the world nato not to have signed the arms trades treaty. now, we find ourselves in some
particularly curious company re with countries like saub, iran, north korea, bell as ruse and those are not the type that we identify with. that treaty when enforced can help stop the flow of arms to isis. we can get a lot more serious as they have asked in successive resolutions, 21 70 and 99 speak to stopping the flow of money. we can be involved. and on the flow of foreign fighters, never forget that in mr. harper's failed bill c-51 backed by liberals there was nothing on deradicalization here at home. we have a clear plan to bring in 2500 more police officers across the country. we know we have to work with groups of all descriptions but mr. harper always has one group in mind and he tends to finger point and object if i one particular group. he doesn't talk about houses of
worship. he specifically refers to mosques. d muslims across canada know how to interpret that. >> let's be clear that the government of canada is pursuing all levels of response to this particular problems. not just refugees and humanitarian aid we are pursuing anti-radicalization efforts. in canada in terms of financing the organizations we're involved with a range of partners working on all. but none of that explains why the other parties think we should also not take direct military action with our key allies. this is a group that not only left to its own devices would slaughter millions of people in its wake but has an intention, a stated intention, to attack to launch terrorist attacks around the world including against this country and as indicated has the capacity to engineer and inspire such attacks.
we see that all around the world. we have a very clear reason for being there supported widely by our allies why we would abandon this mission is a question that goes begging. we have to be able to do all of these things. humanitarian support, stop the flow of foreign fighters and funds and take on isis directly in the region to keep pressure so it cannot be using that as a base for terrorist operations. > thank you very much. their engagement in the middle east will be long term. the situation in northern iraq and syria. we have three different perspectives on what we need to do. we shouldn't be in this fight. there isn't a fight we shouldn't be involved in. the liberal party, as we have
in the past, know that canada has an important role to play on the world stage and should be stronger partner. we disagree with mr. harper the best way to do it is dropping bombs. we think canada, as we did successfully in many places around the globe, should be training up the local forces so they can defeat isis on the ground. because we know that sending in western troops isn't always the best possible outcome and indeed often makes things worse. we need to ensure that we're equipping the local people to ring the fight to canada and they have a strong capacity to do that. that ties with something president obama talked about today which is a call to once again reengage and revitalize united nations peace keeping. the fact that canada has nothing to contribute is disappointing because this is something that a canadian prime
minister started and right now there is a need to revitalize and refocus -- >> around the world. >> as the sergeant tragic death on the front lines reminded us this is not a -- special forces have been preparing for air strikes. we know that. we know that. they have taken a clear position. we have said that we should not be involved in the combat missions. we have had said thrrl several things canada could be doing. there are more than 60 countries. only 12 are involved in the combat mission. stop the flow of arms, funds of foreign fighters. but no we don't think our proper place is in that combat mission. >> let's be clear canada is still involved in peace
keeping. obviously there is not a peace keeping mission to be had in iraq and syria. we're not just involved in an aerial campaign. we're also involved in fact in training troops. in northern iraq we are working with peshmerga forces protecting themselves and other minorities against the onslaught of isis. we're extremely proud of the work that they are doing. but the reason we're involved in the aerial campaign is through much of iraq and syria there is no resistance to isis. the only way to hold them back keep them in position and simply being able to sit back and plan attacks against us is to keep the military pressure off them. president obama and our other allies are involved in the campaign. the challenge is any time we engage is to support our national interests in a constructive and positive way.
there's no question that it's absolutely in our national interests to help defeat isis to work with international partners on that. but how canada can best help is by doing more of the kind of training of infantry troops on the ground that we develop tremendous capacities to do in afghanistan and other places. that is something canada has an advantage and ability to do on top of the necessary humanitarian and much more refugee support that we will talk about later. but that kind of engagement where canada is focused on the things we can do differently and often better is is what we have to get back to. that is why this opportunity to reengage with the 128,000 peace keepers active around the world right now in 39 different countries, different locations, is something that quite frankly that the president our closest friend and neighbor is asking for countries to get involved in something at its origin a
canadian initiative and that we not be engaged in a constructive way saying let's be part of it for a more stable world for all. >> we'll give you the last word. >> president putin's statements today are cause for concern for all of us. this is a call time for canadian values to be projected into that situation. our strong desire for peace. mr. harper talked about peace keeping. he last time the liberals were in power we went from number one to number 32 and under mr. harper we're at number 68. we know for ai want to thank you civil debate. we moved to ours i topic. the refugee crisis. canadians have been deeply moved by this crisis. the devastating told this is having on women, children, and
families. mr. harper, can you explain how your latest change in policy reflects an adequate response, given the enormity of this crisis? i explained already that we have a very generous and balanced -- with refugees. with oure continuing so tory mission against, speak, the islamic state. we announced our intention to accept an additional 10,000 refugees on top of additional numbers already coming and on top of the fact we have resettled 15% of all of the refugees in the region. we implemented changes to expedite the process so we can move those additional numbers in more quickly. we have been doing so in a way to make sure we pick the most
vulnerable groups. genuine refugees. and that we maintain all standards in security screening. this is a responsible approach. in line with what other countries are doing. we also announced, during this campaign, the establishment of additional funds for humanitarian assistance. candor is one of the largest donators to mentoring assistance. we announced an additional fund. canadians responded with a desire to -- we encourage canadians to picture due to that fund. we will match those. the vast number of people will remain in the region and will continue to need our help. please comeudeau, into the discussion. the degreederstand
of the crisis in the planet. there are 60 million displaced people, refugees. alwaysuntry, we must welcome people like that. and having seen the economy is benefiting from it, we must welcome them and must know that in the next decades, there will be more refugees because of climate change and other issues. we must take a spot of leadership. take multilateralism. show how all of the planet can the issue of refugees. for example, we have a commitment at three levels. canada, wel, here in must welcome these people. sixropose 25,000 syrians months ago and continued to say that should be done at the beginning. -- i have seen mr.
harper saying in the house of commons, saying yes, we will do something and we do not. second, we must work with the international community. with the country's -- countries, iraq, to help the refugees. and to help europe a to this wave of immigrants. must work-- we also with the country of origin. we must stop the war. decade -- g the last p.m. harper: during the last decade, canada received a quarter million refugees. according to the numbers, there are 15 million displaced people in the world. may be more in the greater .egion
of course, that is the reason for which we must have a way of accepting refugees. there are many that remain there. and there is also the military action against the islamic state that are determined to create more refugees and the murder of millions of people, literally. people are unanimous in the country. we must -- we must do more. canada benefited from being in open country. and being people in a crisis situation. be it the hungarians, who were fleeing their situation. we welcome tens of thousands of people. mr. harper wants to talk about security.
our security was always our concern. even in situations that were extreme and for the even less resources than we have now. do more, that we must people are saying that the prime minister, premieres are saying it all over the country. and this government does not want to do more. when we look at people that say week can accept 50,000 before christmas, we must understand that canada must be the country we were before. it started already. the canadians expect us to act in a way that is generous and responsible. we have not opened up the floodgates. some european countries started letting everyone in and now they have started reversing the policies. i asked our officials how we can speed up the process.
what numbers can we get in and how quickly while maintaining security and not spending tens of millions of additional dollars. these are the numbers we arrived at. it throughat consulting officials and proceeding on a program that is by all standards generous. have said 10,000 more. united states said 10,000 more. they are much larger than us. the response of the government of canada is to not chase headlines, but to make sure we act in a way -- are here just a few blocks away from ireland park. 38,000 irish men, women, and children fleeing the dam and arrived on the shore of toronto. there were 20,000 citizens of toronto at that time. ,hey accepted 38,000 refugees
who proceeded to build and contribute to this country, this city, and to who we are today. canada has always done more. this is not about politics. this is about being the country we have always been. at that level that not only are you failing as canadians, but also the entire world is looking at us and what is going on with canada. you were a country that were welcoming people. and the diversity you are bringing. people want to build a better future for their communities and for their children. we are giving them that opportunity. now, mr. harper is saying .ecurity we have to the minimum necessary. no. it is not that. mr. harper, who is talking about resisting tyrants and dictators.
you know what we do with tyrants and dictators? the families that are escaping the local violence, what do they do? -- whatld they do when you are doing is you're removing their help benefits, mr. harper. this is what you are doing. [applause] p.m. harper: we admitted 23,000. and on top of that, an additional 10,000 we sped up the process on. we are living in an era where people are fleeing a terrorist war zone. we must have security screening. in terms of the policy on help -- on health support for refugees, we have health support for our refugees and immigrants. isre we stop this benefits where we have cases of refugee claims that have been turned down -- rejected because they were bogus.
that is the responsible thing to do. as the time has passed, mr. mulcair. mr. mulcair: thank you very much. it is important for canadians to rub her where we have gotten it wrong and why we have to learn from those experiences. -- this people were killed when they made about home. there were not allowed into canada. they arrived also in the ec. one of mr. harper's ministers said they were terrorists. a great number of them were admitted as legitimate refugees. [speaking french]
things to do responsibly. i visited refugee camps in jordan. syrian refugees. i visited refugees in northern iraq. i visited with families we excepted from these regions. i met leaders in those communities from the region itself. from my visits to the refugee camps in jordan, we cannot pretend there are no security risks. it is important we do screenings. and those countries in the world theseesponded to headlines by just opening their doors have rapidly regretted that on are now try to put in place a system that canada has been pursuing all along. it is a generous and responsible response. it is based on the right thing to do. [applause] [speaking french]
[applause] i want to bring mr. mulcair back in for our remaining time. mr. mulcair: it is extremely difficult to hear a prime minister of a country who says first tos one of the settle refugees and say that the summary is that all of the others want titles on newspapers. trying to help the most needy of the earth. help people fleeing a tragedy on
a scale not seen since the second world war. anyone fighting to take more than in canada somehow chasing headlines. i find that disrespectful. i think every one of us wants to ensure security. it is disrespectful to canadians and canadian values. [applause] thank you mr. mulcair. we go to the global terrorist threat. we all know it has taken new urgency with the large-scale recruitment of foreign fighters. parliament, canada's passed new antiterrorist legislation. critics said it lacked democratic oversight. trudeau, why, mr. c 61.u vote for bill defend our rights
and freedoms is what the liberal party has stood for. that is so we did successfully in the years following the 9/11 attacks. we brought forward responsible legislation, went through many amendments and tweaks before we got that right. but we got the balance right. canadians expect their government to do that in a way that does not ferment -- foment fear or play up divisions. mr. mulcair has said three different positions. his initial position was to change its. then to repeal parts of it. now, it is to scrap it entirely. the one thing he says is that we do not need to do anything more to protect our security than we have right now. he has not put any options forward. mr. harper does not think we need to do anything more to protect our rights and freedoms. in a free society, we know that we have to ensure that any time we give greater powers to our
police or national security services, we are matching that with an increase of our protection. that is why the liberal party pushed for strong amendments during the committee process. that is why we are committed to ringing in oversight by parliamentarians like our allies and sunset and review causes that will meet what canadians asked for. which is defend our rights and protect our safety. mulcair, please, get involved with the conversation with mr. trudeau. took acair: the ndp principled stand against c 51. we looked at it and knew it was wrong. the same way the npd -- ndp was the only one to stand up one mr. trudeau put thousands in jail. of yourthe courage
convictions people and they started our fight against c 51, the vast majority of canadians were for it. mr. harper did a excellent selling job. but canadians understood it had more to do with the politics of fear and division than anything to do with security. ,nd every group, every expert that came in to testify, and four prime minister's all said it was wrong, the ndp stood up against c 51. [applause] mr. trudeau: i will get to see 51 in a moment. during this campaign, these men have at various times attacked my father. i want to say i am incredibly proud to be his son. [applause] when we talk about the legacy my father leaves
behind, first and foremost is the charter of rights and freedoms, which has defined canada as a country which stands up for individual rights, even against governments who want to take those away. multiculturalism that has made canada strong because of its diversity. and i legalism, which as my father understood, mr. mulcair, means saying the same thing in french as you say in english. [laughter] [applause] one last thing on my father, if you please. for me toe emotional be able to talk about him. 15 years ago tonight, he passed away on september 20 8, 2 thousand. i know he would not want us to be fighting the battles of the past. he want -- he would want us squarely focused on the future and how to respond to canadian needs. [applause]
mr. mulcair: for we are talking about our canadian values. the values that guide us when we make our choices. i am talking about historical fact. the only party that stood up in 1970 and defended canadian rights and freedoms was the ndp. the only party that stood in a question tested against bill c to do one on a question of principle was the ndp. mr. trudeau said that he was against it but was afraid of stephen harper may gain -- that is not political kurds. you have to have the courage of your convictions. you said we would be able to speak individually? [laughter] on mr. trudeau's other complaint, which he throws out there lightly at every of mr.n, we did a check
trudeau's complaint that i said one thing and french and another in english, that is total malarkey. to know what understand quebec. i know an ndp government will represent canadian values right across this country. mr. trudeau: we saw it again last week. in the french debate, you were happy to talk about your decision to make it so that separates tourists -- separatists could break up the country on a single vote, even though the supreme court of canada said no unanimously. in will not talk about it english. you would not talk about it at the mclean's debate. the fact is you carried two different discussions at the same time. that is not responsible. thing that mr. mulcair has done on c 51 is exactly what so many of us deplore that mr. harper has done.
which is play the politics of fear. mr. harper wants us to be afraid that there is a terrorist hiding behind every leaf and rock around us and we all need to be afraid and that is why he is there to protect us. [laughter] [applause] mr. mulcair is playing a similar politics of fear. trying to say that because of c 51, oh with which we have been very clear we have reservations but there are elements in the bill that protect canadians immediately and we are bringing in the changes to get that right, but mr. mulcair is also playing the game of fear. fear that we are suddenly in a police state. fear that we have suddenly ripped up the charter of rights and freedoms. that is not true. the liberal party has taken the responsible decision of saying that we must do secured in defend our rights of freedom
together. that is what my father and liberal government has always understood. [applause] >> sharing information on peaceful protest, that is fair? you voted for that. going against basic rights and freedoms -- you voted for that. question of principle. i am not afraid of stephen harper. i voted against will see 51. mulcair, in mr. committee, there was a concern about lawful protest. this is a concern we had. many members pointed out this was a fact that needed to be changed. the liberal party put forward amendments. they were voted down. the conservative party before the same amendments and passed it. but every single opposable or amendment were put forward to improve at committee see 51, the ndp voted against. the people playing politics here, striking up fear, talking about police state and taking
away our rights are the ndp. i am not apologetic and the least about taking a strong stance that understands the final defense of our rights. host: i want to get the last word to mr. mulcair. mr. mulcair: i have never used the term "police state." i have confidence that the normal rosa democracy apply in quebec. that is exactly what i said at the debate last week. uebecois.anvas law -- q host: now we hear mr. harper talk. the government is fully committed to protecting our freedom insecurities, both of which are under attack from the group isis. if we look at -- [applause]
thatrovisions of the bill mr. trudeau well defended give our security agencies powers similar across the western world. ability of security agencies to share information on security threats. through with a warrant if there is a plot unfolding. the ability to take down websites that attempt to recruit people to terrorist organizations through canada. these are all overseeing robustly by an independent organization. these are not the only things we have done. there are many other steps we have taken on anti-radicalization. and other things, including the fact that this government is clear we will and have revoked the citizenship of people convicted of terrorist offenses --t do not need your brain that do not need to remain to be our citizens. [applause] vista harper talks
about oversight of our security agencies. he put the man who died in independent -- a penniman -- ist our other allies do it elected parliamentarians to oversee the work of our national security agencies and police agencies. canada is the only one who does not do that. it is about two things. ensuring that police powers are not over used and abused. that we are making sure we are upholding the charter rights to every individual. holding ourso about national security agencies and police to account. to make sure they are actually protecting, in every possible way. we need to trust elected parliamentarians to do that job. not to appointed officials in the circle of the prime minister. that is what a transparent government should do.
that is what the liberal party's committed to bringing in. [applause] bill c 51 is a real threat to our rights and freedoms. again, these are the all story says of mr. harper. do you want security or freedom? the same way as when he says do you want good economy or dealing with the environment? it is not a matter of choosing one or the other. both can be dealt with. he is trying to justify bill c positionthe ndp took a of principles against this bill, because it attacks, very seriously, our rights and freedoms. it has been for a very long time in our amp up. we protect at the same time our rights and our freedoms. this is a pretense of being a
progressive matter. we should have seen that this was putting in danger our rights and freedoms that will see 51, mr. trudeau, you were afraid of. that is what you said at the university of british columbia. you know very well that what -- mr. trudeau: you know well that what i think of these issues is this is a choice anchored in security. canadians are worried about their jobs. infrastructure. middle class. that's what we should talk about. we took a balanced position to protect both our rights and freedoms at the same time. about the timeed to do it. a -- ds
it worries me that when the first response is not "this person needs to be in jail" but that this person should be given a two-tiered citizenship. that someone would be judged differently because of parents were born from a different country. this prime minister has made a habit of calling out first nations groups as terrorist groups. we should be worried that any prime minister would have the ability to revoke citizenship from people. mr. harper, please come in. we will add a minute to the clock. able toper: we will be remove the prisoner from the country won this was released. that we willg never be able to revoke
citizenship from someone? what will we not revoke the citizenship of people convicted of terrorist convictions against this country? [applause] this was put forward by member of parliament who was himself an immigrant. all of us, canadians, here expect we have a minimum that people who come here would not be guilty of trying to plan a terrorist attack. you devalue the citizenship of every canadian in this place and this country when you make it conditional for anybody. there is a tool of law in this country, and you cannot take it away. -- if you are here, he
would have detonated bombs that would have been on the scale of 9/11. mr. trudeau: we are not a country dominated by fear. we're out of time for that segment. [laughter] host: we appreciate it. i want to change gears and move to the first of our three rapid reaction sessions. you, mr. start with mulcair. the ndp is a strong proponent of spending more on foreign aid. many canadians want to know why we should spend aliens more when we have so many urgent problems at home -- why we should spend billions more when we have so many urgent problems at home? mr. mulcair: it is a fundamental buildan value to help democracy in the world. help defend women's rights. those are core canadian values.
halfve dropped by about the percentage of our gross national income that we are dedicating now to foreign aid. we are under 0.25 percent. which is lamentable compared to other countries. david cameron's conservative government brought the country to the zero -- to the goal. for theset a timeline ndp to get to that goal. it is only by investing that we can help democracy, help alleviate poverty. and we can help build canada's standing in the world. we have lost that. host: i want to stop you there because this is a rapid reaction section. who will start? i will start. [speaking french]
and of course one of the things newbornled on is our health initiative. we have been able to assemble an international coalition of to frankly and with minimal investment to dramatically reduce child and mortality in the developing world. this is something ask canadians we can do. it is something we are proud of doing. we have lots of meat of our own, but it is in our broader interest that we help people around the world. willwe can and know that be used responsibly and effectively. that is what we are always committed to. mr. mulcair: [speaking french]
p.m. harper: this government, health services, you cannot go out in the world and unite the range of countries we have and independent third-party companies we haven't get into that kind of debate preview need to concentrate on the things that unite people. saving the lives of mothers and their newborns is a cause that has united people and on which
we have made real progress. mr. trudeau: [speaking french] all over the world, canadians are there. there are doctors without borders. engineers without borders. we need to get engage with the world to our benefit. that is solely must do in order to increase the fate of the most vulnerable in the world. our second reaction topic. mr. harper, you have made the point of visiting the arctic every summer as prime minister. but under your leadership, not one new icebreaker or deep water
port has been built. this at a time when you know the russians have a 40 icebreaker and as many as another 14 planned. what will you do to reassert canada's interest in the north? p.m. harper: the work has begun on a deep water port. created an army arctic training center at resolute bay. we increased our ability to reach of the entire north. we are investing in a greater constellation system. and we have expanded the canadian rangers, who are our eyes and ears in the north and patrol for us. these are not the only investments we are making. we are making sovereignty investments. we are also making environmental investments. like of theestments building of the highway system to the arctic coast. adult investments in
education and housing. and investments in governance. we signed a dissolution agreement to provide the governments of the people. we will continue to make investments across a range of areas and will continue to respond to the threat and risk that russia, in particular. thank you. mr. trudeau, it is your turn. in january this past year, i went to the arctic with my son, the way i had been able to do as a child. in talking to communities and seeing how people are struggling through the winter with an arounde food, challenges infrastructure, the one thing they keep saying about you, mr. harper, you are a big sled, no dogs. the challenge we have is to understand to have sovereignty
over the arctic, we have to support the people who have lived there for millennia. that is not what you are doing. we need to work with multilateral partners. obama just convened the arctic council in alaska last month. and canada was almost absent from that. we need to take a real multilateral leadership in the arctic and once again start investing in science and research. not to find ships but actually detect what is going on with the fragile arctic ecosystem and make sure we are serving. trudeau.nk you, mr. finally, get involved in the discussion, mr. mulcair. mr. mulcair: the arctic strategy has to begin with the people of the north. i am very proud to be able to say that tomorrow, i am going .ack it is a great opportunity for us in what mr.thing
harper has failed. we have seen there were results. garbage cansinto to find food in the north. the minister sat in the house of commons, reading the newspaper. we have to understand that canada's arctic is the front lines of the battle against climate change. as the permafrost melts, we are letting go a lot of methane, which are they greenhouse gases plenty times more powerful than co2. -- it is a a caddis catastrophic driver. mr. harper does not agree it is a problem. that is why we are the only country to with draw from the protocol. i have already given a partial list of the range of the investments were made in the arctic.
these are with our president in canadian history across environmental, social sovereignty dimensions. that is why northerners have responded so positively. this kind of agenda would never -- was never paid to this part of the country before. it is about time the north defines our country. it is about time he got support from all parties. i am proud we have a remarkable uit women who sits in the cabinet of canada. we have a minute left. 30 seconds to mr. trudeau. talksudeau: mr. harper about icebreakers, but we are under finding the military procurement for our navy that we need to have now. which is why i have made the decision to cancel the expensive f 35's. put that money so we can get better quality planes at a
better price, and plunge the rest of the billions of dollars into our navy so we can once 2/3 of ourct the water line in the arctic and our land mass in the arctic. canada needs to reengage. p.m. harper: we are going down at all of our shipyards. do so without promising to run deficits and hiking taxes. host: there is no time left. in the canadian north, as we were able to see it , therey with my friends is a particular crisis asked the housing. i saw houses would 18 people in two rooms. how can a child do his homework. this is a social and economic crisis and that is destroying the next generation.
state obligation. it reflects our deep canadian values. i will tackle that when i become prime minister. it will be an opportunity to tackle the housing problem for the first nations. host: you are all aware -- i am sure you have thought a lot about this -- but the biggest foreign-policy challenge of the moment surely is the aggressive and unpredictable behavior of russia on the world stage. mr. trudeau, if you become prime minister, how will you deal with vladimir putin? is noudeau: there question we have to recognize that russia has become a destabilizing force around the world. he is the stabilizing eastern europe with his unacceptable incursion into ukraine. he is pushing in blocking the achievement of cease-fires.
stopping the barrel bombings and more in syria. he is being a provocative agent in the art it. standrequires canada to firm with our multilateral partners to push back with strong sanctions against that. mr. harper has made a big deal out of talking loudly and strongly at mr. putin. canada has such diminished was on the world stage that mr. harper has not noticed that vladimir putin did not listen to him when he told him to get out of ukraine. that is a reflection of where we are. we we do not have the impact used to have in multilateral organizations to push back liketively against bullies vladimir putin. p.m. harper: us fascinating to hear of these other parties talk about their fears of mr. putin, for years, they called this party alarmist. as he talked about his
increasingly and distressing behavior internationally. i have met with mr. putin many times. when it came to ukraine, i made it clear to mr. putin that this country is never going to accept, under any circumstances, his occupation in ukrainian territory. held to this position with our allies for over 50 years. when the time came, both countries became independent. i said this country will continue to work with our allies to make sure we never, in any way, recognized or accept the russian occupation of any square inch of ukrainian territory. [applause] mr. trudeau: the -- mr. mulcair: the ndp stands foursquare with the people of ukraine against this russian invasion. it is interesting to hear mr. trudeau say what he is going to do with mr. putin.
you cannot even stand up to mr. harper on cepheid he won. how will you stand up to -- on c 51. how will you stand up to putin? the fact is there are two people. list of some of our closest allies, including the americans. putharper has refused to them on the list of sanctions for canada. why? because they have important business dealings here in canada. he will say he will have a larger list than anyone else. but the rest of the people on that list are not matter much. these people should be on the sanctions list, but they are not. two of his closest allies are not being sanctioned because of their canadian connections. mr. harper is protecting them. p.m. harper: canada has wi-fi
the largest sections list of russian agents not just in russia but in crimea and the ukraine. mr. mulcair claimed in the previous debate these individuals were listed by everyone. they are not. they are not listed are the europeans. we want to make sure our sanctions are effective. that they punish the russians more than the canadians. we continue to review. those particular cases. no one should doubt. i think the world recognized, the ukrainians have recognize, that no country has responded more comprehensively to ukrainian needs, whether it be nonlethal military aid, humanitarian, financial assistance. i have been to ukraine, met with the president during this crisis. no government or country has stood with the people of ukraine more than the people of this country. canada will
continue to stand with ukraine. -- impactsseen tremendous locally. by at the same time, we are a country that used to have a lot more influence. when canada said something, we were listened to on the world stage. that has diminished over the past years the cover of our internationalm consensus building paired from working with multilateral partners as a positive, cut short their partner in our national interests. that is what we need to get back to so that we can hold the card against putin and bullies around the world. thank you, gentlemen. let's return to our longer format exchanges. i want to begin by focusing on u.s.-canada relations. mr. harper, you were unable to
convince barack obama to build the keystone xl pipeline. what does this tell you about how we should manage the relationship going forward? p.m. harper: we have discussed this matter. he said there is nothing he is asking canada to do. he will make that decision based on his own assessment of american interest. worked withent has two radically different administrations in the united states and work productively with both. you look around the world, the things we have been working on with our partners, the united states. they include the mission against the so-called islamic state. we are working closely with the united states and our response to the crisis in ukraine and reassurance to our eastern european allies at nato. we had the clean energy and time in change dialogue. work productively on joint regulations in that area. we have a project of unprecedented scope called
"beyond the border," in which we are doing more to better integrate our security. together,king sometimes not always agreeing on international trade, but canada has a good relationship with the united states. we work productively overall. but the responsibility of the prime minister of canada is to stand up for canada. it is difficult to see how canada's superior interest were being served when prime minister harper said to president obama that it was a complete no-brainer that the to approve of keystone xl. i know keystone xl represents the export of thousands of canadian jobs because that is the number is -- mr. harper's
finance minister used. i think he takes the wrong approach. he also informed of the americans on the stone xl, "i will not take no for an answer." the answer was knowing you are not able to do anything about it. mr. trudeau and mr. harper are in favor of keystone xl. like they are both in favor of bu -- of bill c 51. progressives know it is time to start dealing with these issues seriously. both mr. harper and mr. trudeau have failed on keystone. ims sublease citing the report of the u.s. state department itself. it did in independent analysis. it creates jobs in both sides of the porter -- of the border. it is good for our energy security. displacing foreign oil from
countries that are security risks to north american. it is by far the best environmental solution in terms of moving our product to market. we have a strong case. the reason i say this will be adopted eventually is the efforts of our embassy and this government, we have created overwhelming public support in thisnited states on position on both sides of the aisle in congress and clear majorities in public opinion. something isc of overwhelming on an environmental, economic, and energy security cents, its adoption is inevitable. we will continue to make the case aggressively. than not agreeen with our american friends, but when we do not, we have to stand up for interest and be aggressive and vocal for pushing for canada's best interest. mr. mulcair: that is a wonderful
idea, but when you need the approval of your colleagues for something you are pushing for, the last thing you should they is that it will be a complete no-brainer or you will not say no for an answer, or your closer , which is to tell the administration of obama that if you cannot get it with this administration, you will get it with the next demonstration. there is a saying that you will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. theink you have vinegar by gallons with the americans. it is no surprise they will say no. there are times when our position will be different from the americans. and on issues like trade and security, overall, we will be in agreement. but we have to stand up for canadian values. what is the canadian value and exporting 44,000 canadian jobs? p.m. harper: it is amazing the ndp actually believes that because we export our product and that helps create jobs elsewhere that somehow that is for canada. the reason traded so important
is that it creates economic opportunities on both sides of the border. i have friends who work in this industry. depend onamilies who revenue from this industry. in the united states and canada are supportive of this. labor unions in alberta say the ndp's position on this is wrong. in the modern economy of the 21st century, we cannot take an ideological opposition to trade. in selling our product around the world. this is a good ring for canada. [applause] mr. mulcair: this is the same approach that failed. shift naturald resources and as raw a state as possible and send them to another country. we need to build sustainable development of our resources and include things like polluter pay
. which includes putting the cost to the environment, the climate, the cheap greenhouse gases into your evaluation. we do not have a credible environmental assesses -- assessment process in canada. on his watch, there is not a single columnar of pipeline that has been built in canada. there is a reason. notcan force the issue and environmental legislation, but unless the public is onside, it will not get built. that is what happened. mr. harper only has himself to blame. we have to start adding values to our resources here. a littlehave gone off-topic, so i would like to bring in mr. trudeau for his thoughts on the canada-u.s. relationship. relationshipour with the u.s. is the most important foreign relationship
canada has. how the prime minister communicates with the president is at the top of the list of what the prime minister needs to get right. nearest neighbor and our most important trading partner. how we engage to ensure that there are jobs for canadians is deeply wrapped up in how we are getting along. mr. farber -- mr. harper has narrowed the relationship with the united states around the keystone pipeline. he went to new york and criticized the president. that is not the kind of relationship we need. not only does it not get the that was desired of getting approval for the keystone pipeline, it also interferes with our capacity to deal with other issues. because it is all mr. harper and his ministers wanted to talk to the u.s. about. whether it is by americans, the
sector, whether it is just jobs and growth for canadians, the fact is canadians are worried about their jobs because we have a prime minister that does not trust barack obama. we need to do better than that. that personal relationship that mr. harper has had difficulty in creating, not just with the u.s. president with to he does not share ideology, but with premiers across the country and municipalities and a wide range of people is hindering these relationships that mean jobs and growth. host: let's bring in mr. harper to reply. p.m. harper: we have a great relationship with the u.s. administration. i have a right relationship with president obama. the americans have never said otherwise and neither have we. this is an invention. the we have been able to do is stand up for things like keystone while pursuing a broad
range of initiatives with our american partners. imagine, the first day of authors, that we would have a prime minister that would say to the united states "we are pulling out of the joint military mission against the and why -- because you, president obama, are continuing the policies of george w. bush." if you really want to -- [applause] host: i want to ask mr. mulcair to respond to that because it goes to the heart of his policies regarding the islamic state. our relationand with the united states. it is interesting to hear the prime minister site our allies our allies when it suits his purposes. in the case of the islamic state, he will say we had to do the same as the americans and british and french because they are involved in the combat mission. when it comes to the deal that
france, the united states, great britain help ensure that iran's pulled ambitions were back, mr. harper attacked bad. it is not the question that some of our allies agree and some do not. canada'ss not in interest, we will stand for canada's needs. i know we can get canada back to being a voice for reason. i want us to be able to write the full of arms, money, foreign fighters. know in independent canadian foreign policy means fundamental canadian values, let --ting harder for than war like fighting harder for peace than war is what i will bring. we haveper: congratulated our allies on working to get a deal with regime. but the proof will be in the implementation of the deal. we will believe iran's words and
not its actions. our allies will take a similar position. i fully admit we do not always take the position of our allies. sometimes we take positions on what we believe our principles. been,vernment has perhaps, the most unequivocal in the world that when it comes to the middle east, we will not single out israel. it is the one western democratic ally. it is at the front line of that's directed against us. we will not single out the jewish state for attack and criticism. of israelze the right to be a jewish state and defend itself. [applause] mr. trudeau: the issue of israel where we most disagree with liberals is mr. harper has made his support for israel domestic political football, when all three of us support israel and any canadian government will.
[applause] what we need to make sure is that we continue to engage as a robust member of the coalition fighting to defeat basis. there are many countries that do not have a direct combat role. canada has proven that we can contribute. to relaunch u.n. peacekeeping and not have canada stepping up to say yes, this is a canadian yes, this is a canadian thing that we can do well and we will support is yet another missed opportunity to have that positive relationship that ultimately means more jobs and more -- for canadians. mr. griffiths: thank you, gentlemen. we all the world leaders will roseate in paris a new global climate change agreement. mr. trudeau, governments have failed to meet their international commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. why should canadians believe
that your government will be any different? recognize -- mr. trudeau: we recognize that the environment and the economy go together. we cannot separate them anymore. harmed our relationships with the united states, our relationships all over the world. so what the liberal party is saying, when i say now is let's to aside this political game give optimistic targets without having the planter implement them. what we are choosing to do is invest very much to reduce emissions. we are talking $20 billion over 10 years of investment on public transportation. we are talking $20 billion over 10 years for sustainable
infrastructure to reduce our impact on greenhouse gas emissions. and we are going to inspect -- invest billions of dollars to develop green and clean energy, and we are going to do that with the provinces because the reality is that in the 10 years of mr. harper, -- [indiscernible] -- four provinces -- [indiscernible] -- and we must have the federal government to support them and prevent a united front in a few months to show that canada has gone back to the good way. thank you, mr. harper. >> i can say for the first time in history that canada has had economic growth while reducing greenhouse gas emissions. p.m. harper: we have also had a
reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. when we came to office a decade ago, we took a position that was considered a very radical. we said that ineffective international protocol -- an effective international program of has to include targets. the chinese and americans, who were not part of the previous protocol, a now committed to moving portrait that. and i am very optimistic we have established targets very similar to our major partners. we are working with the united states and others on regulatory systems on greenhouse gas emissions, and i'm very optimistic we will reach an accord in paris this year. know, he says that. he talks like that all the time. as if canada was a leader in an environment. i think he is starting to believe himself. the reality is that everybody knows that mr. harper has not
understood a very basic element whereby the environment and the economy go together. we are going to create a future -- [indiscernible] -- economic prosperity that will be sustainable for our children and grandchildren. we must do our homework. we have to protect our soil, our water. and unfortunately, mr. harper, given that he did nothing about the environment in his 10 years, is hurting our economy.
we are being depleted. because we are destroying -- [indiscernible] -- the reality is that everybody knows we are nowhere. canadians are frustrated. the whole world is frustrating concerning canada. it is time to have a prime minister that will stand up that the -- and have an economy and the environment that go together. thing we have for the first time is a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. you all understand that the record mr. trudeau is talking about this from the previous government. was the first winter increase greenhouse gas emissions. p.m. harper: greenhouse gas emissions have exley gone down under our government. under the previous government, they established the toughest standards in the world and then missed them. they were 30% over their target. when we got to office, they didn't have a single plan to achieve anything. we have moved forward on regulatory matters in the transportation sector and the electricity sector.
and we are going to continue to move for. we have a real plan. by the way, we are doing that without imposing carbon taxes on the canadian population. >> [applause] >> what you don't recognize is that they have already -- [indiscernible] -- that they have announced a price on carbon despite your thetivity in reducing effects, and you put target that would not be met. that is why we would put money -- [indiscernible] you have come in your inactivity, four different ,romises take the leadership which has a carbon tax. your province in alberta has done the same thing. the same thing in ontario and quebec. we have a leadership -- [indiscernible] -- that waits for the federal
government to force them. and we have work to do together. but you have referred to -- preferred to sit down and not do anything. and we are losing our international reputation. exactly about the continental approach. you have done nothing since that time. is not part not -- of the solution. [indiscernible] is integrated on energy, on the environment, on the growth. this is what the leadership that you didn't have within the last 10 years. take cannot -- cannot
lessons from the liberal party of canada that has targets. p.m. harper: we have embarked on a system. what we are doing in our government as we are making sure we know exactly where we are going to reduce emissions in a way that preserves jobs and doesn't impose taxes on consumers. we are increasing sector by sector. sectorstation and other , we are proceeding in collaboration with the united states. in the electricity sector, we have actually preceded in collaboration that would be united states, but our partners on a proposition that is going farther and faster than the united states. we would be the first country in the united world -- in the world to shut down traditional coal fired elect to city -- electricity source. we'll have the cleanest energy sector and we are doing that without imposing taxes. >> mr. harper, you do see the
irony of standing here in toronto and trying to tell people in ontario that you somehow supported the closing down of the coal-fired plant here in ontario. >> [applause] mr. trudeau: you and your government fought tooth and nail against the ontario government, as it was demonstrating that it could reduce its emissions by the most significant to the of any jurisdiction in the country by making a simple policy decision that you are no part of and even blocked at and ridiculed it from ottawa. and now taking credit for. p.m. harper: that is factually untrue. >> [applause] p.m. harper: we have put in place at the national level a binding system regulation in collaboration, not just with the province of ontario, but others all of the problems of coal-fired electricity. it is an example of collaboration. you talked about the united states. emissions from the coal-fired sector are bigger than the
entire canadian economy. we are leading the world in this sector. >> thank you, mr. harper. , gete, mr. mulcair involved in the conversation. >> in fact, you know that mr. harper is totally right when he says that the liberals use their signature as our deal. and he is right when he said that the liberal government has the worst record, except for kazakhstan. that doesn't mean we have to continue not to do anything. mr. trudeau: those mr. mulcair: i was able to -- p.m. harper: i was able to reduce -- mr. mulcair: i was able to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. we are going to be basing ourselves largely on the successful cap and trade model that we use in canada and in the u.s. to reduce so2 emissions.
it worked. the provinces have been doing something else that also worked. we are not going to be imposing the details of the means to get there. what we are going to talk about is the combined obligations of results. no more excuse of possible. no more fake stuff from the liberals. no more -- [indiscernible] the ndp will get it done. we have that clear -- [indiscernible] there will be real limits and they will be enforced. mr. mulcair is again making claims without any plan to achieve them. mr. mulcair has taken the decision that what he has to do is -- [indiscernible] -- mr. harper's budget. you cannot make the kind of investment the liberal party is choosing to make the kinds of things cap and that needs right now because -- things canada
that needs right now because, yes, we have chosen to balance the budget. it is time to take action on climate change. these are the choices that we have made that you, quite frankly, cannot make. even as you announced with tremendous strength your climate change plan, we have -- >> [laughter] [applause] mr. trudeau: we have your friend and allies of alberta who said that, she is not so crazy about your approach on climate change reduction. what you can't even get -- when you can't even get them to endorse your plan, you know you are in real trouble, mr. mulcair. mr. mulcair: actually, alberta is in one mind with us on result. when you say that your only way of governing is going to be to dump a massive economic that on the future generations, you are right, mr. harper has left a huge economical -- ecological
debt on the future generations. the ndp has the best track record of any -- >> [laughter] you're right, i forgot one exception pirate but that -- exception. but that was when he was a liberal. >> [laughter] [applause] mr. mulcair: he ran 17 consecutive balanced budgets in a row and brought in for universal health care. $15 a qualityin child care, it will be on the backs of future generations. [indiscernible] mr. griffiths: this is a foreign-policy debate. we had an economic debate the week before last. so let's reset the discussion. mr. harper, back to you on climate change.
p.m. harper: -- will never actually lay out precisely where it is a intent to reduce emissions. it is actually to know what you are going to do and be sure you minimize the costs. we are also investing over $1 billion a year, have been for 10 years, on green energy and energy efficiency. the only real policy ever proposed i other of his policies are effective carbon taxes. are not carbon taxes about reducing emissions. they are about raising revenue for the government. his plan has already been reject it. mr. griffiths: gentlemen, we are going to wrap up that topic and move on to our final discussion. mr. mulcair, your party is opposed publicly to making concessions on supply management and aspects of auto manufacturing in the context of the current transpacific partnership negotiation. does this mean that under an
ndp let government, canada would be locked out of some of the world that this growing markets? >> thank you very much. this week i had the opportunity to talk with the president of -- [indiscernible] must commit ourselves to defend an integral way i was system, which is very important. the system makes us very bright. explainno excuses to our system of supply in quebec and in ontario. the people are very worried because they know that three weeks prior to the election, everything is allowed. mr. mulcair: mr. harper went public and said that if you're in the auto sector, you should be worried. mr. -- on mr. harper's watch, we
have already lost 4000 well-paid manufacturing jobs. there are 80,000 well-paid manufacturing jobs in the auto sector. when president obama wanted to discuss this this week, this is how good the relationship is, he found the president of mexico. i'm quite concerned about what is being left on the table by the conservatives, and our dairy farmers have every right to be concerned. i think supply management is on the table. and mr. harper doesn't keep his word on any of these things. people when he promised to give the money to compensate what they were giving up, in terms of processing fish, and he broke his promise. >> mr. trudeau, what is your opinion about the matter? well, it is certain that we have many agreements internationally without endangering our farming system. but the reality is that the
gentleman is showing a total lack of transparency. he doesn't want to talk about what he is doing. and like list their -- mr. mulcair, he is not fulfilling his promises and many issues as to promises concerning international trade. have freeely must trade agreements. we know it is good for jobs. and we need those investments. that is the reality and when that -- and we cannot pretend either that the world is a free-trade world as to agriculture. we have a system that works. we signed very important agreements without putting ourselves in danger. but we need to attract foreign investment. we need to create jobs here in canada. you know that these sectors -- the manufacturing there's an exporting sectors have paid higher salaries to canadians
from the middle class. and international trade is essential for canada. mr. harper does like to talk about support and the agreements he signed, but our exports have the worst growth rate under his government that we have had since the second world war. perform and i want to say that when we see the record of liberals in that matter, remember that -- [indiscernible] -- promised in his book to finish -- [indiscernible] do you remember his red book? he had scorned the free trade agreement of north america, and he didn't do anything about it. that is why we must be very careful before signing because once that aside, it is a difficult -- [indiscernible] there are aspects as to
protecting health. chapter 11 is a true challenge, and mr. trudeau says that he agreed with this nafta matter. it went to the house of commons. mr. harper has an agreement with europe and there are aspects like investments, for example, that concern us and concern others. so even if he announced 12 times that he is going to make an agreement, there isn't one yet. we cannot pretend that we are growing while we are slowing down. health orer accept other matters to be not defined, to have international experts decide what i have the right to decide for the public. that is a basic canadian value. theeep the authority of
states, states -- in the interest of the public. you know, mr. mulcair is trying to change the ndp to improve his image. the reality is there are enormous difficulties still to understand that we need free-trade agreements to create a better future for our jobs and our economy. the ndp does not support any free-trade agreement that might have been signed in the last few years. oh, there is one. the one with jordan. that is the only one he accepted. the reality is that this is a they that never understood importance to attract investments to canada, to have markets for exports to be involved, to be engaged with growing economies in asia. believesliberal party very seriously and international
agreements. we believe it is essential for economic growth, to give jobs to canadians. and that is why we agree with the canada-europe agreement. but mr. harper has not performed yet. we are not yet anywhere with china. we are just at the beginning that mr. harper try to do recently with the prime minister. and with the united states, we are not -- [indiscernible] -- with international free trade. but, yes, there is an issue there whereby mr. mulcair wanted to enter into an exchange with the united states. mr. trudeau: suppose that we export to the united states. you gave a speech on it. you mulcair, your week -- are willing to sell our water to
the united states. mr. griffiths: an accusation has been made. we would like you to respond. mr. mulcair: with regards to trade deals, it was a trade deal with korea that was backed by the ndp. so mr. trudeau is inventing facts once again. when i was a minister, we had lots of debates. but the important thing is to look at what we decided. and i decided to shut the door. both exports would have been disasters. there was a good public debate. mr. trudeau doesn't understand debates because he is used to having people read his lines for him. with regard to korea -- [indiscernible] -- it is a representation of what the ndp knows how to do. we looking for an even playing field. we are looking for trade agreements with countries that share our values. whether it is the protection of the environment or workers' rights, this is an even playing field. but what we want to do is what
mr. harper has done and signed deals with countries like honduras who right after a coup, that is a country that doesn't respect workers' rights and we shouldn't be putting them on an even playing field because we are committed getting that we find that ok. the same thing with our trade deal with colombia. there are times you have to stand up and say canadians expect to their values. and mr. harper has consistently failed to show any respect for those fundamental canadian values. mr. griffiths: mr. harper. p.m. harper: in the 20th century, good paying jobs are going to defend -- dependent vitally on having trade ask -- ask x -- access. we are now working in the asia-pacific region. every time we have done so, we also protect our vital interests, protect the interests of supply management, advance
the interests of canadian agriculture. there is always a reason to walk way from the table. there is always a reason to be against the agreement. these parties here recently -- opposed. but the reality is we have been able to do these agreements. we will only sign a deal if it is in the interest of the canadian economy, but we are going to sit at the table and we are going to make sure we are there. mr. harper talks about the deals he has signed, but canada has the worst rate of export growth -- sorry, this prime minister has the worst rate of export growth of any prime minister since world war ii. so if this is your best effort, mr. harper, we have to worry about what will happen if you get reelected because the fact of the matter is canada needs to engage positively on the world stage.
and our diplomacy, our cultural exchanges, our humanitarian efforts, our climate changes bonds abilities all feed into how we are able to engage in the kind of trade deals that are going to bring good jobs to canadians, that are going to create a brighter future for people. export industries pay 50% higher wages. mr. griffiths: we will get mr. harper to reply. p.m. harper: look, we are in a decade of global economic instability. we have increased our exports. we are not living in a different era. we are living in an era that is very difficult, or canada's performance in job rate and growth is the best. we need to continue that by taking forward-looking action. that includes the historic steps we have taken to conclude trade deals. and also work to try to get trade deals in the asia-pacific region. and you don't get those deals are coming up with a million reasons why your against them before you even get to the table
and why you should lock way once you are there. we are there. we have had a successful record of making sure we defend the broad interests of the canadian economy, open up our markets, and that is what we will continue to do. i would like to ask you a question. -- [indiscernible] -- ou will defend [indiscernible] supply management and all the negotiations, we have always defended supply management. negotiation -- we defend agriculture when they are outside the system, and we defend all the sectors. conclude and agreement that is in all interests of canadians.
p.m. harper: how we actually build a brighter, stronger future mr. trudeau: how we put together -- build a brighter, stronger future for our canadians. trade and could in good jobs is at the heart of what every canadian prime minister needs to do. you are too big a country with too few people to be able to do it all on her own. we need trade with the u.s., countries around the world to actually grow our academy to create good jobs or canadians. the fact that mr. harper hasn't been able to get it done and mr. mulcair continues to obstruct and deny the importance of trade means that the choice is clear in this election to pick the liberal party. -- what we always -- p.m. harper: -- what we always get from the liberal party is platitudes entree. you don't have the determination
to sit at the table and make the tough decisions. that is what we are doing. >> [applause] mr. griffiths: final question, mr. mulcair. mr. trudeau: thank you. the question to ask is who do you want representing canada at the climate change conference in paris? who do you want sitting across the table as we do try to get a deal to suit all of our interests? who represents canadian values on all the issues we are discussing tonight? for 150 years, we have been told we have no choice but to alternate. this time around, there is a real choice with an ndp government. a progressive, forward-looking choice for canada. translator: thank you, mr. mulcair. ladies and gentlemen, we have arrived to the end of our debate. >> [applause] [applause]
[applause] mr. griffiths: all of us here hope that this debate has helped informed both you the viewing audience, everyone here in this auditorium. let's the shore all of us, -- be sure all of us, regardless of our views, our party, to head to the polls to vote. for those of you online right now, the panel has been cohosted by facebook canada. translator: thank you for having followed us. good evening. >> thank you.
>> [applause] >> [indistinct chatter] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] recent support shows -- setting up a likely two-party contest in this month's election. the ndp, historically candidates progressive party, had looked electable for the first time ever, but has failed to distinguish itself from the fellow left alternatives to the nine-year-old government of conservative prime minister stephen harper. they go on to mention that the ndp's recent decision to support muslim women to choose to wear the traditional face covering veil is another possible reason why backing of the party has the client. canada's federal election is set to take place on october 19.