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>> tomorrow, efforts to end world hunger. we have it live at 7:30 p.m. eastern on c-span. thursday, at the washington david miliband says it do united states is not living up to its commitment with regards to the refugee crisis. this is about 20 minutes. >> hello. david miliband needs almost no introduction. former environment minister. battle withentious his brother for control of the
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labour party. now, based in new york as president of a globally humanitarian organization. it makes sense by starting to crisis.ut the refugee something you have been very involved in and recently testified at about. you said you feel like there has been an inflection point reached. david miliband: over the last three or four weeks scale as well as complexity has not just hit television screens but has hit the consciousness of people. last year, it said a grizzly world record. crossing the boundaries of their own country. 40 million homeless as a result disaster. the 60 million figure has never been reached reform. organizations are making the argument this is a moral cause but it also has other
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implications. -- i was in greece last week where half of the refugees are arriving. inflectionts the point. people are saying, what can i do. that is very important. italyear, the pope was in and he talked about the globalization of indifference it speaks to what senator booker was just saying. that sense of in difference has been broken over the last two or three weeks. i think the future at the moment is the wave of refugees. a trend and not a blip. why is it happening? thishould there be remarkable situation. the world has never been more peaceful when measured between the wars of the states. there are civil wars within the
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states. that is being driven by a huge worldsion in the muslim and weak states throughout the world that are unable to hold that the rig. thellion killed, 30,000 in civil war. a weak and divided international system no longer providing an anchor against civil war. those three factors seem like a trend and not a blip. humanitarian's do? we can talk about the difference it can make in the front line. i always say, humanitarian ngos can storm dashed up the dying, but it takes politics to stop the killing. hopefully we will see greater affect because it humanitarian
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efforts need to be reformed. volleyball: -- molly ball: do you think this could have been prevented? david miliband: what could've been prevented? molly ball: the situation in syria. david miliband: if you think that 4.5 years and do you think that is inevitable that there would be 3.5 million dead, no. i do not think there is an inevitability about syrian fate breaking the way it has. molly ball: you had called for intervention. david miliband: i am the leader of a humanitarian organization. i have my own staff on the ground on syria and elsewhere.
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i am always very careful about what i say. when you wait the risks of action, you also have to wait the risk of interaction. i think it is driving the scale of death and destruction in syria. action needs to be taken to ensure where there are wars, at the minimum they are conduct did at the norms of humanitarian law. justar in syria does not look like a war without end, it looks like a war without law. they areecause dropping bombs on citizens. the ideao stand up for there are actions that need to be taken without going into the realm of saying they are military tactics. molly ball: do you think the u.s. is currently doing enough? david miliband: no question. not. there are two ways of thinking
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about it. what is the u.s. doing to resettle refugees? historically, the u.s. has been a global leader, so no way is it -- living up its to its traditions. there is no way, it is probably more difficult to some across as atlantic then to get into a refugee, but it is very hard to be a refugee. just to give people a sense, jordan is one of the closest allies of the states in the middle east. it has 700,000 registered refugees. englandke the whole of
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coming to the united states in the space of four years. about 4.5 billion dollars of humanitarian help in syria and the states. in face of the scale of the problem, you would have to have a bigger global coalition. obviously, on the political thing almost the worst confronting us is not just the death and destruction but the fact that this civil war has no current process to bring it to the close. in the balkans, it was failed political processes, but at least it was political processes. think there is a real sense that the syrian war is something that has been in the to-difficult box for too many
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governments in the world. molly balll: what do you make of the current escalation by russia. first, my instinct is that it is born originally of the weakness of the regime. there has been a strong our eye of the president over the years and they have not felt the need to have the presence they have at the moment. ago, thefour weeks weaknessreflects the of the regime and severely complicates the discussion about fly zones, no bombing at zones and the rest of it and i think that is significant notably to the people we are trying to serve it in the country. big it clearly is, is a
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power play. a big geopolitical, geo-diplomatic power play by russia to say, to the extent there is a vacuum there, we are going to populated. david miliband: one aspect is that assad has waged war on his own people. they said, there is twin net terror in syria that made me leave my country.
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i have been conscript did. ed.conscript sidesve to recognize both as absolutely critical to the desperate and critical times of the moment. molly ball: i want to switch gears to american politics. you worked closely with hillary clinton as her counterpart. now that she is running they are -- of course the american political press psychoanalyzing her. avid miliband: meta-filter -- molly ball? ball: did you feel you could trust her? absolutely.nd: i am not a voter, so you cannot
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ask me who going to vote for, that would say one thing people do not see in politicians , i did not expect. i was an officer as secretary of the state. 2009.n came in january of most striking to me is how good of a listener she is. most politicians are good talkers, speakers, but she was a good listener. she had a seriousness of purpose that was very striking to me. that is my greatest reflection on working with her. a striking quality. like ball: doesn't sound much fun. miliband: you will have to google it. we had a lot of fun. molly ball: she was analyzing your loss and she blamed it on -- david miliband: i did not know this. molly ball: she was e-mailing
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and just got the news of what happened in the labor election and blames it on tony blair. she wrote, clearly more about tony day and that david or add. david miliband: that you can't start blaming it on other people, you have to take it for yourself. what is very significant for someone with a visa, but nevertheless working in the think,, the next year, i is going to be fascinating for a number of reasons. it is really important, and maybe for the american audience interesting to hear, you have your own issues. nation building at home matters. you have been hearing about this huge criminal justice reform issue. certainly, if you live in any other part of the world, the most striking feature of the modern world is that you messed up policy has to be united.
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the cliche about a village is true. if your neighbor's houses on fire, your own house is on fire. i am curious about how foreign policy moves from something out there to being part of the discourse. it seems to me the successful politics of the modern world alliance national the mastic in turn all priorities with an external. whether it the in respect to trade or security, those have the narrative.of we're having our own struggle with that in the u k with respect to europe. to me, countries of the west are the big orphans of globalization. only political, partly economic. for the rest to turn its back on globalization, let's make it more sustainable, stable, fair. for western countries to turn
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away from globalization is very dangerous. molly ball: eight you mentioned the debate about europe. we're having our own debate in this country, with donald trump saying he will send all the refugees home if they get here. on people afraid of make and want to turn and word? it even miliband: it is not going to make america great again to send all the refugees home. [applause] david miliband: remember, what is a refugee? a refugee is someone who has a well-founded fear of persecution. i went to school in the united states at the age of 12 or 13 and i learned about the idea of the founders of who put this country and founded this country. fear of a well-founded persecution can find a home here is one of the ideas. i live in new york. when people visit, we get on the
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stat and ferry, you look at the statue of liberty, and we are told it says, bring me your poor and hungry masses. that is not an invitation to confuse a refugee with an immigrant. when the debate about immigration becomes confused with the debate about refugees, that is dangerous. the intent of the status of the refugee, is someone with a fear of persecution and it imposes obligations on states throughout the world. that is the product of the .orrors the geneva convention, we have to hold onto. every nation needs and the immigration policy. for refugees and the absolute rights, the resident protection in the face of persecution, is incredibly important tipping on 10. molly ball: at some point, do they not become emigrants? how do you handle a large group of people coming into a new
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country? is that not a challenge to assimilate those people? thousandiband: 70 refugees. germany is a country of 90 million people and just announce they're going to take 500 thousand refugees this year. the prime minister of italy on tuesday, his country, 60 million people, here's leading a big reform to try to its strength in the country. 120 thousand people arriving per year as refugees. yes, you have to have a proper process. europe sentelle 98,000 people last year who did not qualify as refugees, people who had a well-founded fear of persecution. shown how youas do it well. my organization, we spend most of our efforts, about seven
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eighths of our budget on refugees. they become extraordinarily patriotic and productive americans because they are working, they are getting their kids and education, and they feel a huge sense of pride but for whatnse of thanks this country has offered them. given the experience here of helping people become productive citizens, given the dna test and all the rest of it it goes into the security vetting for people to come in, it is not right to have the fear that somehow these people are going to poison the country. they are going to be productive citizens. [applause] the few minutes we have left, let's go back to u.k. politics. explain to me what is going on party?e labour miliband: how much time of
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you got? [laughter] david miliband: center right centerleft candidates in all countries are finding it hard to get traction. they are being outflanked. youran think about it in on politics, by people who are left of center or right of center rather than centerleft or center-right. it goes back to the globalization question. for the center-right, they find it very hard to answer the call of their supporters to conserve social order in the face of globalization they ever is. on the center-left, how in the embracelabor do you this? this is the changes across europe and politics. the challenge for center-right and centerleft dishes chew out -- is to show centerleft how to equality.
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on center-right, the challenge is to help too concerned the supporters for order. in u.k., we have a fixed parliament system. so we're in the beginning of parliament general election. last may, that conservatives one. i always vote labour. i am a labour person to my core. molly ball: there has been some talk about your return. are you contemplating? david miliband: no. i am focused on this gargantuan refugee crisis. i am and 26 u.s. cities and many countries. we are in the front line of government and international
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agencies. we're on the front line from damascus right through into neighboring states. afghanistan, greece. the united states. we're seeing the arc of crisis from beginning to and and frankly, that is completely consuming of my activity. friends, ifost my that is what you're asking. ima normal person. am i getting phone calls about going back to the british parliament? a boy thenoning you marathoning me, obviously. of course people are in touch with me and they are talking about, how does labor recover from a devastating general election? they are talking to me about, i saw you on the news from greece, we have got a massive crisis going on in europe. what do you think we should do? people are respectful and interested in what i am doing.
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molly ball: david miliband, thank you so much. begins itseme court 2015-20 16 term tomorrow. ae service was held at at cathedral. chief justice roberts and scalia and kennedy and thomas and attorney general loretta lynch. here's a look at some of the departures following the mass which traditionally coincides with the start of the court term. ♪
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