tv Maziar Bahari on Iran Imprisonment and The Daily Show CSPAN October 14, 2015 8:00pm-9:02pm EDT
boat insurance with all mandates and costs, or nothing. -- i would say small businesses could also make contributions to people's individual insurance. so that way it is not either or. they would get a tax deduction for jeb bush: the final thing, you are completely right, it needs to be reformed. it is already bankrupt, it has grown automatically and when challenges, you are either disabled, which means you cannot work, or you do not do anything here there are ways for people to have partial disability, ,hich i am not diagnosing you but partial disability, there ought to be a partial payment. that makes common sense, but that is not how -- that would require change in law.
it would lessen the cost of this disability and to get people back into the workforce. there are other ways people are trapped. have you heard about the marriage penalty? you got it. my wife would say that i am the marriage penalty. [laughter] if you have a spouse working part time or not working, or want to get back into the workforce, every dollar that they earn, it is taxed at the marginal rate at their spouse, they could be paying 30% on maybe minimum wage, to work part time and that cost impedes many people from getting back into the work. i think that we should allow people to file individually. in another way to deal with social security is to recognize that people, even if you are
allowed to be retired, a lot of people this is a supplemental retirement system, that means you will not necessarily be able to live off of that alone. 67 years old and you have to work, you continue to pay in clear the employees portion. you have already paid for 50 years. propose there is a way to generate more work, more income for people to allow for people to seven or older to not have to continue to pay into payroll, because that is their retirement, it goes right to their pocket. incomebeen in that first tax credits and are come fast enough country. when we are talking about minimum wage, $15 is a high bid rate from last night. it will kill half a million
jobs, trust me. on the left and on the right, that is a much the argument and takestrue, automation place in people have to lower costs. for people who are single to which it does not does now, but havefrom 20-25, you hundreds of thousands of young people being able to work and get their first rung on the ladder. every one of these things requires a change, these might have worked in 1950, maybe 1975, but they do not work in the world they live in today. we need a transformation of the relationship that government has and with taxes. yeah? we will do two. ask,vernor, i want to since we are standing right here. my name is liz. , we had an amazing
-- since then i decided to join fellow citizens of that basically the u.s. as a citizen for face -- space, what will you do to get congress on board, increasing the budget from under 1% to bring the state program that to the u.s., making us the leading nation in the world and not just russia and china? [applause] i may remember, during my last year's as governor, there was an expendable launch vehicle plan that was being built and the state of europe up dough florida put to where -- lure, i think it was lockheed, to build and design
this said that it would replace the shuttle and it would be an interim to the next generation of launch old that would look like a good launch it and he could come back and it would be a dramatic lowering of cost, access to space, all sorts of things that would allow us to prosper as you day and lead -- say in the lead of the world. that project was killed and we not-- and we now access these through the russians. that is not a good idea. this is a country that is running circles around us in all parts of the world that use the u.s. as a menace, not as an ally in any time they would want, the and just shut down our ability to access the space nation where it clearly we need to have an independent means to access the. i would take it beyond that.
it is a scientific discoveries that are incredible, i am bias ed, i think we need to be more aspirational again. this will sound odd, but four years ago in a debate, speaker newt gingrich talked about colonizing the moon, and it was a very raucous crowd, that is they were rowdy. people started laughing, people running for president last.fm as at him as well, but i thought it was cool what is wrong with having big bigrational goals, we are a country, we are a generous country and the benefits of this are far more than people realize. we need to persuade people that there are benefits in the here
earth, andnor -- on create a strategy around these. we cannot be all things to all people. and the final part, we should partner with the dreamers in the private sector, the -- work with others during you cannot plan out everything. partner with people who can bring in intensity and creativity to the process. i was just thinking, you were going to bring up the tragedy that took place, i will never forget that, when i was governor, on the tarmac for a tribute to the astronauts, that died. -- umk it was 2005, maybe yeah.
, 2002.er one 2000, it was horrible, this is a dangerous endeavor, but it is worth it to be engaged in it. you remember? parts.ve two the first part, i heard you talk .bout tax reform ok, i heard you can't about tax form, right?ht -- regf have the taxou a bracket and in that the regressive and mostly rich
people in the in the stock market, so they have left festival -- less income, so that will end up being the regressive, so you talk a lot about rich people creating jobs. ok -- jeb bush: i have not brought that up today. >> they are going to create jobs. jeb bush: excuse me. >> rich people are going to create jobs, that doesn't happen, because they are invest in the stock market. how will you get people to invest in the economy and not the market -- stock market and will you do about that are rich for rich people? in another part of the question, poor peoplen make --
can make their own decisions, you said. what about cultural poverty, why is it that the average white family makes more money than the average black only -- family? what do you attribute this to? jeb bush: we have intergenerational poverty, if you're born for, you are -- poor , you're more likely to escape poor. stay that.ct if you want to live -- lift people up, you need to give them the power to make choices for themselves. this has nothing to do with race. it has to do with people being born poor and aim for, because we have systems on top of them that limit them. if you want to lift them out of poverty, allow them to live in
safe communities, people in poverty have higher primary -- crime rate, and you need to have stronger families. rounger families -- stronge families matter. and you need to revolutionize education so that everybody has a chance to be successful. [applause] jeb bush: axis -- on taxes, we do have a progressive tax rate. disproportionate amount, but my proposal says we will reduce rates for everybody, if you make $40,000 or less, you will not pay anything that's federal income tax --federal income tax. everybody would benefit.
we will put a cap on it. the reason that the marginal rate will be a little higher, there are other things as well, but people with higher income take advantage of interest deductions, they take advantage not initable reductions, new hampshire or florida, but they take advantage of the carveouts, but the effect is it lowers the effective rate for people. we put a cap on that so you cannot deduct all that you could before. it would eliminate the worn -- buffet story, saying that he pays less than his assistant. if you put a cap on deductions, you would have a higher rate. rates, where ae
lot of jobs will be created, i am suggesting the highest corporate rate, 20%, but allow for full deduction of capital invest in, you want to create jobs, so allow or investing in your own country and -- own country. so that people are invest the and investing in the real economy, not the financial markets. my plan also calls for the elimination of special firmsions that special get, the carried interest, were they get capital gains rates for their business and they should pay ordinary income like everybody else. i am glad that you brought those points out. thank you, go. one more. for you.tion
about women in combat. being in combat, i do not think it is a good idea, at least in , maybeor combat ranges the air force or navy, that is great when you are flying -- different when you are flying, but combat is a rose and arsenal. -- up close and personal. jeb bush: in the military, i would not impose a political ideology on the military, or a social beliefs, you have to rely on the commanders in the field.
you need to respect -- the commander in chief have to create a strategy, the checks and balances, but you cannot micromanage the military. you need to make sure that every focus is on what is the optimal morale for our troops to allow them to be the safest force, so that the perception of force --less likely that we do it. i would listen to the people making this decision, not telling them, come up with the result i want. sometimes i get the feeling that is where we are. i would listen first come up before making that judgment. there are conditions, but if someone can convince me that it would be in the best interest or
are fighting worsens -- forces, i would consider it. right now, there is much centralization, just about everything in washington, you need to trust people to make informed decisions, that would be far more than i have weird i would trust them -- have. i would trust them to make that decision. yes? oftoday is the birthday general eisenhower. [applause] good man.he was a privilegedblished -- to be a pennsylvania valley words,he had strong pretty strong words as president. this was about the growing military-industrial complex.
i am wondering, it seems like other republican candidate want to keep growing our defenses, we it takes,atever because that is most important, i hear. would you be willing to set some limits and will you make sure that operation --corporations that tell -- sell weapons do not influence politicians? ,eb bush: a very good point every aspect of spending needs to be challenged. when you have the f 35, this will be the most powerful plane in the sky, better than the russians or the chinese, but it costs, it is exponentially more
and it hasy imagines taken more time than they imagined. right now, senator mccain's committee is looking at procurement reform, that is essential. it of having big complex weapons systems that were wired to-three contractors -- require contractors, we ought to have a more strategic approach to this and build on it. there are a lot of reasons, cost, speed, you are much more agile you start small and build. and in combat technology -- think how fast technology is evolving. , it takeshe biggest
way too long and it does not allow for opposition. cost. overruns and then the technology needs to be refreshed anyway. better to do it in increments as new technology emerges. you see this across the spectrum of life, using technological advances in information technology, but also gps, all of the things that require a weapons system to be effective. there are dramatic changes. in the wake of certain metals -- of certain metals, all sorts of things. if we do this the right way, we can get many more contractors onto the playing field and have a more competitive process that the big guys do not dominate.
>> we should have a strategy to if we have as, strategy other countries can get behind us. >> thank you. texas.ew up in >> what do you do now? >> work for the navy. >> thank you. >> i was wondering if you could sign my yearbook? >> this is your last year? >> yes, and i have something for you. [chatter]
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by the iranian government. later the basis for john stewart's 2014 film "rosewater." he sat down with tempering burp -- with tim greenberg at an by cnnoderated correspondent candy crowley at harvard university. [applause] candy: goodness. i want to briefly introduce these two gentlemen because i think they need a setup, for those of you who don't know why they are here. bahari, a is maziar journalist, a filmmaker, annexed to him is tim greenberg, the executive producer of the daily show. why are they together? i am going to have him set up the daily show for you to see so we can proceed
with the conversation. from a shortclip series we did on iran, where we traveled to iran right before 2009 --tions act in back in 2009. we wanted to present the country to americans. one of the people we went to interview was maziar bahari. that's the basics. ♪ iran, islamic republic of a nation in a people, a powder keg waiting to explode. as we improvise with these courageous souls who are risking their lives to take a stand for democracy in the face of oppression, let's not forget these people are evil. but just what is it that makes them so evil? i had not signed up for twitter,
so the only way to fight up was -- find out was to go and see for myself. >> as i touched down at the airport on my's 36th birthday, i was completely alone. no american embassy, no alcohol, not even exposed angles to leer at. a wife and children. please don't hurt me. >> even leaving the hotel posed a potential risk. >> red wire, blue wire. producer tim greenberg said as long as he was with me, there was nothing to fear. first up, and made contact with my transmitter. we headed to a coffee shop for a
iranianine meeting with journalist maziar bahari. i was told he would go by the and ime "pistachio," asked him the question on every westerner's mind -- why was this country so terrifying? >> they don't understand each other. they don't know how to understand or talk to the other side. i've written about that for newsweek magazine several times. >> i did not understand a word of that. can you translate this for me? >> he wrote about it in newsweek magazine. >> ok. what is he saying? maziar: he is saying i had written about it for "newsweek" magazine. >> i am going to need someone to say -- >> the one thing i could understand is that this entire
country is evil. to knowthe first thing is iran is not evil. iranians and americans have much more in common than different. who is the number one enemy of al qaeda? >> -- of iran? >> al qaeda. a>> al qaeda is also the number one enemy of iran. >> enough of his western educated newsweek doublespeak. ofdy: so that's a portion the first one you aired. poking fun ofat americans views of iran. but something went amiss after this was aired. tim: right. we were there right before the elections, where it seemed like one candidate was going to win.
when we were there, everywhere you went you would see these green ribbons, a symbol of his campaign. i love young people would be driving around with their green ribbons -- a lots of young people would be driving around with green ribbons on their wrists and hanging off their cars, and it seemed like a time where things were going to change, like a was a desire of change to a more liberal society. we went there before the election thinking, great, we will cover this, and it would be a time to introduce america to iran. it turned out that that didn't happen. the exact opposite happened, where the powers that be -- ahmadinejad -- arguably stole the election and things clamped down. candy: there were government forces cracking down, killed some people. you were following this as a reporter. the day after the election, take it from there into your
imprisonment. maziar: basically, what happened, as tim said, for a. of two or three months -- a period of three months, people were in a euphoric mood. people but they would have someone who was not ahmadinejad. it really did not matter who was that person, but they really did not want to have ahmadinejad. to put things in context, if you have aw many -- if you candidate john is the president, president,jad as the that is someone iranians are ashamed of. it is like you had donald trump and kim kardashian as president and vice president. [laughter] maziar: maybe i just gave you an idea. [laughter] and you really want to get rid of kim kardashian, because you are the supreme -- trump is the supreme
leader, untouchable, but let's get rid of kim kardashian. people felt that way about augmented john. -- he was the prime minister of iran in the 1980's during the time of museveni, but he was not ahmadinejad. about opening up this space a little bit. people were kind of euphoric. when we came to iran, about two or three weeks before the election? tim: yeah. maziar: people were euphoric and the government, we did not know what was going on. the government somehow was allowing many journalists to come through, but 200 visas were
issued, so every major news organization was filling this. some of them were just getting ahead of themselves following the green revolution rather than the green movement. so the election happened, and took secret surveys carried out by the minister of intelligence. i had seen one of them and reported it to "newsweek" before the election. everyone thought was heavy was going to win, but not until the day after the election. on the none of the election, they announced -- on the night of the election, they announced a candidate john was ahead. the next morning, there was a change of mood. it was a dramatic change.
days, people did not know what to do, so the election was on friday, and saturday and sunday, people were thinking about what to do a monday. that people asked to have a demonstration of silence. i thought maybe 10,000 or 15,000 people would come, chant a few slogans, then go back home, or maybe get beaten up. 3:00.a meeting around i got to the demonstrations at 5:00 and i cannot hear anything. i was right. it was like 10,000 or 15,000. i went to the revolution street, the main street in tehran. i was on that street in 1979 as a young boy. during the iranian revolution, were 3 million people
involved. it was the same thing 30 years later, where millions of people, and according to statistics it was between 2.2 million to 2.5 million people, marching silently, asking to get back their vote. that has been repeated for a few days, so i reported it. there was an attack against the paramilitary base, which was an anomaly, really. my report was on that. he made itnot sure clear -- he was working for newsweek at the time. i was. then, the supreme leader came to the prayer ceremonies and said that people have to go back will beherwise they
responsible for the bloodshed. , there were thousands of guards -- we called them "ninjas." they were dressed in dark, had this black shield. we had not seen these people, we do not know where they were coming from. they were beating up young women, children, it was horrible. was one of the most horrible things i've seen in my life on that day, saturday the 19th, i believe, of june. i have been working in africa -- afghanistan, iraq. it was quite dramatic. they ended with a picture of a woman who was shot in the head. we saw the dramatic pictures of her blood flowing from her nose and mouth. then i went to sleep and the men came to, a few
mother, i was staying with my mother in iran, and they rested me unto me to prison. -- arrested me and took me to prison. so there is a book you have written called "rosewater," a film directed called -- by john stewart, a family story and a lot of ways. thatt is the story of imprisonment for 118 days. one of the things i've been curious about -- the link here is that when you are being interrogated, they played the clip from the daily show. maziar: sure. and i was arrested, they took me to the interrogation room, and i was toldew minutes m
i was there for espionage. i asked politely, d might telling me who i was assigned for? he said, four organizations. british, and newsweek. i said, newsweek magazine? quote unquoteyour magazine. i wish bill was here because i was in touch with someone named nicholas, who was an industrialist. i had interviewed him. i was in touchat with nick burns. an op-ed inwritten newsweek, so he said that you
are a touch with nick burns, proving you work with the cia, because nick burns is part of the cia. it was all these conspiracy theories coming together. they were charging me with espionage, and in the absence of any real evidence that i was not a spy, they had to bring forward ridiculous evidence, including my appearance on "the daily show." candy: which they took seriously. maziar: yes. if it taste like a spy, it's a spy. jim, -- tim, you're back in the states. a --was your knowledge at knowledge? tim: i think some of the other people we had interviewed had been arrested at that point. -- there an e-mail
were other parts of that interview where he spoke much more aggressively against augmented up -- i committed a and themadinejad regime. i asked, what you want me to do with this thing? he said, please air it. difficult remarks did not fit our peace, but we proceeded. -- the we found out press found out he had been arrested at that point. for us, it was extremely uncomfortable because even though people say we are journalists we are really not. at "the daily show," we are not journalists. ,t was personally uncomfortable just that my world of silly comedy had intersected reality and a way that i was completely unprepared for. i felt like i was in over my i should not be involved
in this. i think that was one of the striking things for me, we are making jokes. we thought we were doing something that was safe and silly and it turns out there is not much separation between not much separation between that safe, silly world that we live in and a much darker side. i have seen it in the movies and on tv, i know it exists, but the fact that it exists with somebody i know and something we are doing is being used as a form of torture, just way beyond -- candy: tell them, there was torture over these 118 days. there were other pieces of todence that were brought up prove that you are a spy for america. talk a little bit about the process that you went through. we should say first of all that your father was also imprisoned regime, and950's his sister was also imprisoned
in the next regime for being a member of the opposition party. you have conversations in your head with your dad about what to do. talk about your evolution about how you thought you would behave, and eventually what happened. maziar: growing up in a political family, having witnessed a revolution in a war, somehow procured me from being arrested. young,een arrested while and my teenage years. -- in my teenage years. the second time i was arrested -- i was having coffee with my girlfriend, i was 16 or 17, i believe. they arrested everyone in a coffee shop and they took me to
the most dangerous prison in tehran at that time for common criminals. i was imprisoned with having a coffee with a girl. they said it is "disturbing public morality," my crime was. i asked other people, what is your crime? he said, murder. another person, rape. i was there with like 30 dangerous criminals. there were other people who were arrested as well. i thought maybe i was a bit prepared. but you cannot really be prepared for something is dark this.diculous as you may feel guilty about what happened in iran, but you cannot prepare yourself for something.
i was not prepared. i know that there are many stupid people in iran and stupid people in the regime in iran, and they don't have any sense of humor, but until i got there and witnessed it firsthand, i could not believe it. during those 118 days, because i was one of seven days in solitary confinement, i did not days in solitary confinement, i did not get any new information. but my information about paranoia really deepens. i understood how much they hated the jews, for example. and i realized how much they --ard israel with, and the envy, and at the same time, hatred. at the beginning of my engaged inon, they
beating, psychological torture mostly. the world is kind of torture because you're deprived of all your senses. you cannot touch or see anything except for the walls. you don't hear anything. that was the worst kind of torture. sometimes, i really wish i could have gotten out of solitary confinement and gone to the so i wouldon room have some human contact. then, when the espionage period finished, a couple of months, they started to ask me about my private life, especially my sex life. they asked about people i had slept with. how many times? how much did i pay them? it was getting more ridiculous. it was basically a dark comedy. think, comeedies, i
from people who take themselves seriously. even in "the daily show," your jokes about but donald trump is really funny because he takes himself seriously than mitt romney. when i was in prison and i was interrogated, my became myor somehow muse. i thought i was in 10 days. write a piece for "newsweek" called "10 days in iranian jail" and every time he something stupid or making a presumption about my life or life in the west, i was saying to myself, that will end up in the book. to add color to it, as well, i was asking him a question.
basically, he did not have any human contact besides me, as well, because he spent all time in the interrogation room. he was tired of talking to his other revolutionary guard so sometimes he was confiding in me. hisas telling me about personal life. i could hear his conversations with his wife. even sometimes when he was me, he was talking to his wife. one day he was holding my ear in his hand and twisting my hair. painful.ally, really and his phone raining and he kept twisting my hair and while talking on the phone, i said, the you just let go of my ear while you're talking and he hit my head and he said, i'm talking on the phone, be quiet. ridiculous.really candy: and it makes it probably more dangerous because there's rationale here. maziar: exactly. candy: you're dealing with