tv Former Governor Jeb Bush R-FL Town Hall Meeting in Concord New Hampshire CSPAN October 14, 2015 11:33pm-12:36am EDT
"crippled america." it tells you how to fix it. i'm self-funding. i was in iowa a few weeks ago. people i feel so foolish. these people want to give me millions and million of dollars. is sort of like anti-me. why wouldn't i take it. i always take money. it is what i do. i take money. that's how you become rich; right? no. millions of dollars. so i said to the group in iowa, we had 5,000 people in an auditorium like this. i said here's the story. whenl a little bit stupid i don't take all of this money. supposing i take it, just supposing and i promise i won't do anything for them, and they up and said, no, no. i couldn't believe it. i thought i had talked them into it. the truth is i love what i'm doing. that i'm self-funding. i'm not controlled by anybody. i'm not controlled. controlled by you.
really i'm controlled by you. going to do the right thing. you've heard me talking about the ford plan. have you heard that story? the ford plan. i love it. ford, do you want it again? should i do it again? i just think it is good. so ford closes a lot of plants. they are building a $2.5 billion plant in mexico. do we get out of it? they are going to make cars and trucks and parts. to send them into the u.s. and other places. how does that help us? go to -- i went to wharton. you all went to good schools. from higher graduated school, you know it is not good for us. $2.5 billion plant in mexico, that's a big plant. going to suck our jobs away, they are going to parts in, trucks, and mexico. i said to myself what would orpen if a rubio or bush
hillary were president. here's what happened. they wouldn't know it is no good. they would all know it is no good. we can't let that happen. follows hour they would be called by a lobbyist who gave $5 million, the special interest that gave them $10 bylion, they would be called one of their donors who owns stock in ford or whatever who $1 million. they say, mr. president, you can't do that. they were very helpful in your campaign to become president. you can't do that. to know what is going happen? he'll say or she'll say i have to do it. say, no, no, you can't do. he will say okay, i won't. going to be built. now let's do the other alternative. trump is president. anything.'t given me i called the head of ford. foruldn't even use my guys this.
this is too easy. honestly it is too easy. i call the head of ford. i say you are building a plant, you are going to employ thousands of people. not employing people in the united states. you are employing other people. i think that's fine. tell me how we benefit. he'll be unable to explain it. he can't explain it. not to me. believe me. i'll say, listen, i want you to a plant in michigan or plant here -- i don't care. i want them in the united states. i'm tired with all of the crazy deals that we make and the new ones we're trying to approve. i'm tired of the job like a vacuum cleaner. they suck the job out of the considerate, they suck our money out of the country. we have nothing. nothing. we're like a third world country. our airports and roads and falling down. 61% of our bridges are in trouble. do you believe this?
we drive over a bridge. it is in trouble. i would say to them the follows, i won't use his name. he happens to be a very good guy. say -- let me just tell you something, i want you to it in the united states. i don't want you leaving. if you leave and insist on leaving, you are not bringing those cars over free. are not. you are not doing it. remember the trade deficit. remember here we're talk about 45 to $50 million. overre not bringing them free. we're going to charge you a 35% tax on every car, truck, and bring over.u now i believe in free trade. i'm a free trader. i also want smart trade. i want fair trade. it's got to be fair trade. free is good. over.
it has to be fair so we can compete. happens is the following. he will call up and say we won't do that. be hit by every person i know in washington, all of whom have given me nothing. in fact, i've given most of them. lobbyist. now they will call and i'll say, no, we have to do the right thing. be called by everybody else. i haven't taken their money. i owe them nothing. people.we you i owe you in particular with that wonderful location. right? i say -- i'll say the following, i'm saying no, we want you to build that plant in the united states. it is going to be built in the united states. no. will say, i guarantee you within 24 hours that afternoon, is made as well.
call around lunchtime. assuming the call is made, by 5:00, they will say, yes, mr. agreed.t, we've we're going to build in the united states. the only thing that could change their tough negotiators. it may take an extra day. they may wait until 5:00. that's the only thing. they can't do anything. we have the cards. see what people don't realize, obama thinks they have the cards. have the cards. created one of the greatest steps in the history of world. it is true. our economycked dry. if you want to do business in have many friends that are manufacturers and i love these guys. they are great manufacturers. the time.me all
they cannot get their product into china. they can't do it. they do, there's a big tax. dummies.ke the bring it in. flood it in. do their currency manipulations. one of the reasons the work.pact doesn't hillary clinton was in favor of my speech. debate me, she knows she's going to get killed the tax. hand it in hillary clinton, i have to hand it to angry.u can all be i have to hand it to her. it took great courage for her to go against president obama on the trade pact. what?ow maybe she gets indicted.
because she is being totally protected by the democratics is illegalt she did and you look at general petraeus. % -- a friend of mine is familiar. general petraeus did 5% of what she did. they destroyed his life. other people have done far less. destroyed. the democrats aren't just protecting her. there's no reason for this. i want it to go a fair investigation. fair.erything be what's happened is absolutely crazy. she mightif she -- have done okay last night. she did. she did okay. nobody attacked her. attacked her. there was no attacks. i hate ton my debate,
say it, we are live on cnn. debate, they said mr. think ofat to you this? calledid donald trump you a horrible human being. it was like a reality television show. last night they asked a question, they would get an answer. anh me, everything was attack. it is crazy. won thell said i debate. i'm happy be that. every poll. "time" magazine, every poll. it was a whole different story. we have to do something about that. other quickyou one story. oreos are closing their plant and moving to mexico. oreonever eat another
again. never. ever. i'm going to talk to them. cookies madetheir and sold in -- i just don't want it. to us.nfair chicago is losing the large plant. another country. called corporate inversion. that's where companies have trillions and trillions of the unitedside of states. they think minimum $2.5 trillion. it is covered in my tax plan. corporate inversion. we have people and companies. the old days, they moved from new york to florida to texas or whatever. moved from the united states to foreign countries. they take all of the jobs. the reasons nay are moving is because they can't get outsidey that they made of the united states back into the country. singlew that every
politician practically in democrats,agrees republicans, they all agree we should allow them to come back. is good. they can't agree. you know why they can't agree? a leadere don't have in the white house. that's really why. we don't have a leader. everys a situation where single politician practically s to come and they can't agree. we're doing something wrong. really what it is, it is leadership. it is leadership. into the room and you get something done. things are happening in this people haven't seen happen in 50 years. from a call the other day
a tremendous reporter. one of the few honest ones. it feel?ow does i said how does what feel? you've done. think of this. he'll tell you everybody is surprised. spent so many money. i'm leading every poll, everything. why? you know, i was supposed to -- i had a budget. i like budgets. a business person. we all have budgets. have spent $20ld to $25 million. would going to spend a tremendous amount of advertising. pollsgone so far and the and everything are so good and great.wds are so i don't like to waste money. what's the purpose of spending? on television. it is true. [cheers and applause] doing: tonight i'm
"o'reilly" if you are home. interview is better than a commercial. don't we agree? commercial you turn it off and go home. i look at some of these guys. they've spent tens of millions and they have 1%. i said to myself is it good to little we'vew bad? or in one way, they say, he should have spent more. in one way, i'm very proud of it. i'm very proud of it. very proud. need to.spend as we it is great. think of it, i've spent the of anybody and i'm first place. is that good? right? and i don't mean first place by a little bit. any baseballuy -- fans in the audience? okay. anybody ever hear of charles o'finley. lowest payroll in
baseball, the lowest payroll, won the world series three time. told himggie jackson, to the yankees. catfish hunter. sold him to the yankees. brawner.tein he was just fine. he was great. guy.s a the lowest payroll. payroll it the lowest by far in baseball. yet he had the best team. won three world series in a row. there's something beautiful about that. to me. me there's something beautiful about that. we'll spend whatever we have to spend. things that happened that's so incredible, i did "meet the press." he had his highest ratings in four and a half years.
can you believe it? i saved his job. i saved -- [laughter] donald: it is true. did the same this week with stephanopoulos. they got tremendous rate lings. dying.re they asked me age. it is to show you it is terrible. mr. trump, leading all the polls, getting the biggest going, everybody is crazy. they said, mr. trump, is there any way that you'd get out of the race? i said to myself think of it? be asked that question? woulduld be asked that -- anybody else but me be asked that question? is that terrible? said is there any way to get out of the race. i thought i'd give an honest answer. i said very, very honestly, look, we're number one.
if we weren't and if everything polls and crowds and you don't call because you don't want interviews because it is over -- like some of the guys we're running against -- i mean honestly. if i were some of the guys, what's the purpose? do they gain something by having zero? do they gain something and going in the debate? children'st the debate. guys like pataki. he has zero. like rand. i hate to say it. attacked me. he was much higher when he attacked. so many -- i don't want to use names. i refuse to embarrass anybody. okay. -- if for someem reason everything tanks and i certainly i would consider it. next to headlines trump considering leaving. so dishonest. it took a couple of unbelievable polls to stop it. it took a couple of unbelievable
polls which i get all the time. minute.ait a i didn't say that. they put that stuff out. sois so false and disbusting. remember this. much of the press have been terrific and honorable people. some amazing people. like 30%. okay? 30% who are okay. they do their job. 10 to 15 to 20% who are truly bad people. they aredishonest, horrible human beings, they know -- it is not a question of being lazy or anything. they go out of their way to write false stories. somebody asked me today i did an interview today. they said what's been your biggest surprise? i said i don't know my biggest surprise. my most pleasant surprise is how brilliant the public is. it. get they really get it.
but it has been tremendous. i'm going to tell you before. said how do you do that? you just speak. it is amazing. by the way, no disrespect but every place i go you would love these people. all of it is alabama or the oklahoma, it is like all the time. they are incredible people. are incredible people. they want to -- it is true. it is true. to see our country be great again. they know it can be. they want to see it happen. see victory. we don't win with anything. isis.'t win with we don't win with iraq or libya. with yemen. wait until you see that. going to saudi ah rain
ya. will defend them and for nothing. even though they make $1 billion. i ordered 4,000 television sets recently. they come from south korea. south korea makes a fortunate as a country. we defend them. 28,000 soldiers on the line. maniac other the other side. they pay us nothing. germany. a lot of people don't know. we defend germany. behemoth. that would give us nothing. us virtually nothing. defend japan. why? i love japan. it is great. work something out. out.us give us something. we can get rid of all of the deficits. we can make.
we can make. is true. then you have the stupid people that say you can't ask for that. they are a sovereign nation. sure they are. help us out. withs the deal we have japan. we will defend them to the death. if they get attacked, we will fight. we have to fight. if we get attacked, they don't have to do anything. bergdahl.e sergeant it is true. we have a guy six young people for him.ed looking we get bergdahl, they get five wantedgreat killers they for ten years; right? these are the deals that we make. because we have leadership that issn't know what the hell it doing.
withn the old days bergdahl, who was a trader, it was treason. you shoot him. he gets shot. you've been reading the news days.he last couple of they think he won't even get jail time anymore. he has some psychological difficulty. they don't really know what happened. he wasn't feeling so good. wrong heading in the direction. thelook around at all of people here tonight. it is happening. it is a movement. things are happening. it is a movement. absolutely a movement. calls. i was going to tell you from a saidy respected guy, he could i ask you one question? how does it feel? what feel?does what you've done has never been politics.e in
you have an insider. you came in. they call it the summer of trump. i hear that. they said it's never been done. this is the top guys. never been done. how does it feel? honest, to me it doesn't wel anything because unless win, i've wasted my time. haven't.id no, you what you've done is incredible. by the way, that was a while ago. i think he's afraid to write the story. what you've done is incredible. understand what you are saying. i'm telling you unless i win, meaning unless we win in the primaries, and we can't have politicians any longer. we can't do it. do it.t all talk. no action. one ability. an ability to get
re-elected. that's their only ability. what they have to do. they have to get re-elected. don't win, i'd consider it to be a massive failures. primaries and election. we've had a lot of fun. to happen.going i watched hillary. we're going it give this and that. she's got to give everything away. the maniac standing on her right is giving everything away. she's following. what's happening. socialist/communist -- okay. nobody wants to say it. no. in all fairness to her, she's standing there listening to this guy. to attack you people at 90%. take everything.
heard the term communist. i call him a socialist/communist. what he is. then you see her stand up. now it is her turn. do that i'm going to too. you have to win. she's not doing so well. a head to head poll, i beat her by five or six points. i love it. i love it. be careful.to here's the story. you are going to look around and remember this night. because as a very important me, this is not just crowd gathered. this is a movement. a movement going on. when you are leading by 20 and 25 points, when you are leading carolina by 20, when you are leading in all of these places, nevada, and leading with the hispanics, leading with the hispanics --
[applause] donald: because they know i create jobs. legally.here they don't want people taking allr houses and running over the place. they want what they have. they want it to get better. want jobs. so when we're leading by 20 points, 25, one of the polls had a 40% above everybody else. that's a massive number. numbers. massive this person said this is a movement. longer we're playing games. this is a movement. all said he's never going to run. he's got a wonderful life. i do. i do. said he's never going to run. he'll never file form a. is where you sign your life away. he'll never but the in the financials because he's probably not as wealthy as people thought; right? i have almost 100 pages of financials. then they said he'll put them in, but way late.
if i put him in, ahead of have had manyuld -- they put him in laces in one page. late.re they need an extension. true story. his say he'll never put in financials. i was so happy to put them in. if i didn't run, i might have put them in. i like to tell people. i did a good job. you know? did a good job. financials.my i call them the talking heads. are all devastated. he wasn't running. this ornever file or that. i put in my financials. it turns out my company is better, stronger, much bigger than anybody thought. we become down here and we have the biggest winery in the east coast, and we have the great land on the potomac river.
they don't know that. you people know it because you are from >> no matter where i go, i have property coming out of my years. it is true. i have very little debt. great cash flow. i insane that because that is the kind of thinking we need in the country. it is true. [applause] that is the kind of thinking.
instead of losing, in terms of china. instead of losing the trade deficit. let's say we broke even. you know what that means? does anybody have any idea what that means? , $75 say instead of losing billion each year, let's say we broke even. let's say they agreed to take more of our product so we can equalize. not that it is a one-way street. that is easy. we have the cards because we can say we do not want your cars anymore. they would not know what to do. so, we are going to do -- my kids are wonderful, my wife
is wonderful. but my older kids that i just mentioned are running -- doesn't mean anything to them anymore. it is peanuts. i want to make you people so proud of this country again. so proud. so proud. [applause] so, look around at all of the people here. look around at the people next to you because it is a special night. americaoing to make great again. thank you. think you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
born canadianand journalist maziar bihari discusses his time in prison. his memo has been adapted into a film by john. a couple more votes at white house events, jeb bush campaigns in concorde, new hampshire. later, i campaign event with marco rubio. 10 states and the district of columbia allowed illegal immigrants to obtain a driver's license. motor vehicle officials take part in a discussion on the [epewtomorrow posted by the charitable trust. an encore of the 20th anniversary of the million man march.
minister louis farrakhan was among the speakers. after appearing on the daily show with jon stewart, maziar bahari was incarcerated by the iranian government. his memoir was later the basis for jon stewart's film. greenbergn with tim at an event moderated by candy crowley at harvard university. [applause]
candy: good evening and welcome to the john f. kennedy junior forum. i'm the director of the institute of policy. up the, we take fascinating topic, journalism is not a crime. moderated by a great american political journalist, candy crowley. for nearly three decades, americans and not ian's is worldwide have looked to candy for coverage of politics that is thorough, insightful, objective, and tough but honest. covered career, she has every major u.s. political figure in recent memory, including every president since jimmy carter, as well as
countless governors and members of the house and senate. she has worked in all 50 states and around the globe, covering not only politics that any historical events. she has won more awards for her excellence in journalism, both for her network employers and for herself than i have time to reel off tonight. candy,are interviewed by you can count on several things. intense questioning, intellectual integrity, studied knowledge of every issue, and relentless probing until she gets the truth. we are very, very proud to have her as a fellow this semester. i am honored to introduce her. she will be our moderator this evening. maggie.hank you, goodness. i'm going to briefly introduce
these two gentlemen because i think in unik they need a bit oa set up. to my left is maziar bahari, a journalist and filmmaker. ,ext to him is tim greenberg the executive producer of the daily show. 10 give uso have something from the daily show from of you to see. to get you all in the mood, this is a clip from a short series we did on iran, where we traveled to iran right before the elections in 2009. justoint was basically to americathe country to and one of the people we want to
presented potential risk. i assured my producer that as long as he was with me, there was nothing to fear. first, i made contact with my translator. we headed to a coffee shop for a clandestine nine meeting with maziar bihari. i was told he went by the codename pistachio and i would recognize him. him the questions, why was this country so terrifying? >> misunderstanding. they do not understand each other. do not know the values
or how to talk to the other side. >> i did not understand a word of that. can you translate that? what did he say? >> he said that i had written about it for a magazine several times. >> i'm going to be somebody who space english. the one thing i could understand is that the entire country is evil. >> iran is not evil. iranians and americans have more in common than they have different. >> what do i have in common with you? >> al qaeda is the number one enemy of iran. andny -- if you kill iranian, you would go to heaven and you would have virgins. >> another his western educated doublespeak.
portion of thea first one you aired. , poking fun of american views of iran. something went on this after this was aired. right beforethere the election where it seemed like one of the liberal win.dates was going to when we were there, the mood was, everywhere you went, you would see green linens, the symbol of his campaign. a lot of young people were driving around with green ribbons, hanging off of their cars. it seemed like it was a time when things were going to change . there was a desire for change, for a more liberal society. we went right before the election thinking, great.
it will be a time for us to introduce america to iran and it turned out that that did not happen. the exact opposite happened. be arguablyhat stole the election. there were street demonstrations and government forces cracking down, killed some people. you, as a reporter, were following this. tell us -- the day after the election, take it from there into your imprisonment. maziar: what happened for a , peoplef 2-3 months were in a euphoric mode. people thought -- it did not matter that much who was that person but they really did not want to have him.
to put things in context, if you have a supreme leader who has the ultimate power and acted in these as the president -- are people who iranians are ashamed of. have donald trump and kim kardashian as president and vice president. want to get rid of kim kardashian because he says, oh, donald trump is the supreme leader? he is untouchable but let's get kim kardashian. on thewant to challenge debt is not hmadinejad. many atrocities that happened
but, he was not acquitted a job ahmadinejad.people were kind of euphoric. two or three's before the election? >> yeah, right. that was about a week before. >> people were euphoric and the government -- we did not know what was going on. the government was allowing many journalists to come to iran. every major organization was in iran and they were filming this and some of them were just getting ahead of themselves calling it the green revolution rather than the green movement. the election happened and everybody, based on all of the secret surveys that were carried out by the minister of intelligence and i had seen one
election --re the he was goingught to win. not even a day after, on an under the election, they announced that ahmadinejad was ahead. the next morning, he was as if a dark cloud was over tehran. it was a dramatic change. for a couple of days, people did not know what to do. the election was on friday. then on saturday and sunday, people were just thinking what to do. on monday, they came to the street. people said, we are going to the streets. organizers said, we are asking people to come to the streets and we had demonstrations. and i thought maybe, i don't know, 10,000-15,000 people came.
she -- chant a few slogans and go back home. around 3:00 ig got to the demonstration at 5:00 and i could not hear any in. so i thought -- 15,000. i went to the revolution street which is the main street in tehran and i was on that street in 1979 as a young boy during the iranian revolution where 3 million people -- and it was the same thing repeated 30 years later, that millions of people -- and according to the city of 2-2.5, it was between million people were marching silently asking for the votes. was an attack against the paramilitary base.
that was an anomaly and i reported on that. and then -- candy: he was working for newsweek at the time. and a major news program in the u.k.. leader came tome the prayer ceremonies and he said that people would go back, responsibleey were for bloodshed. on saturday, there was a massive crackdown. they beat up, they were like thousands of cards, -- cards, we ds, we call the ninjas. we had not seen these people, we did not know where they were coming from and they were beating up young women, children, it was horrible.
scenes iost horrible had seen in my life on that day, on saturday the 19th. been working in africa and afghanistan, iraq. it was quite dramatic and they entered with a picture of the woman who was shot in the head and we saw the dramatic pictures of her blood flowing from her nose and mouth and then i went to sleep. the next morning, a few men in civilian clothes came to my mother's house where i was staying, and they arrested me. so, the story -- i do know how many of you have seen -- there is a book out that you r,"e written called "rosewate and a film directed by john stewart. story in a lot of
ways. it is the story of that imprisonment for 118 days. one of the things i have been curious about. the link here is that when you are being interrogated, they played the clip from the daily show. when i was arrested, they took we to the interrogation room and within a few minutes, my interrogator told me that i was here for espionage. i asked him politely, do you mind telling me who i was spying for? he said, cia, israel, and my six, and newsweek. -- mi6 and newsweek. he said yes, your magazine's part -- it is common knowledge that it is part of the intelligence organization. the american intelligence apparatus. i wish bill barnes was here
anause i was in touch with industrialist -- i had interviewed him. thought -- if they thought that nick burns and if i was in touch with him, and nick burns had just written an op-ed in newsweek, so they said that you were in touch with make burns, a government official, that proves that you are working for the cia because nick burns is part of the cia. it was all of this conspiracy theory coming together. withwere charging me espionage and in the absence of any real evidence because i was not a spy, they had to bring ,orward ridiculous evidence including my appearance on the daily show. candy: which they said they took
seriously. like a yes, he looks spy, they said that i am a spy. candy: tim, you are back in the states by this time. happenings started to and i think some of the other people that we had interviewed had been arrested. is one e-mail, there is part of the interview where he spoke much more aggressively against ahmadinejad and the regime and i just wrote an e-mail that said, are you ok? what he wants to do? he said, please air it. the typical remarks did not fit our peace. i don't know how exactly we found out -- it in the press
found out that he had been arrested. for us, it was extremely uncomfortable because even though people say we are journalists, we are really not. we are not journalists. we are not. it was personally uncomfortable that my world of silly comedy reality in a way that i was completely unprepared for. the entire time i felt like, i was in over my head. i think that was the striking thing, was that we were making jokes. we thought that we were doing something safe and silly and it turns out there's not much separation between that and a much darker side that i had seen in the movies. seen on tv. but the fact that it exists with somebody that i know and the fact that it was used literally
is a form of torture was way beyond -- and there was torture, there were other pieces of evidence that were brought up to prove that you were a spy for america. talk a little bit about the process that you went through him we should say first of all that your father was also 1950's.ed during the and his sister was also imprisoned in the next regime for being a member of the opposition party. so, and this is very effective in the film, you had conversations in your head with your dad about what should you do here. talk about your evolution of how you thought you would behave and eventually would happen. maziar: growing up in a political family and witnessing the revolution and the war somehow prepared me for getting
arrested, and i had been arrested a couple of times when i was young and in my teenage years. day or three or four days. the second 10 i got arrested was because i was having coffee with my girlfriend in a coffee shop. i was 16 or 17 and they arrested everybody in the coffee shop and they took me to the most dangerous prison in tehran. i was imprisoned at the age of 17, my crime was having a coffee with a girl, and they said that it was disturbing public morality. cellwas in the communal with different people. person's crime is murder, another person's crime was rate.
i was there with -- was rape. there were a couple of other people -- i thought maybe i was a bit prepared but you cannot really be prepared for something daunting and ridiculous as this. guilty bute feel what happened in iran but you cannot really prepare yourself. i was not prepared. are manyat there stupid people in iran, there are many stupid people in the regime in iran and they don't have any sense of humor but until i got there, and i witnessed it firsthand, i could not believe it. days, because i was in solitary confinement, i did
not get any new information but my information about the revolution, the regime, the paranoia really deepened. i understood how much they hated jews, for example. how much they regard israel with all and envy at the same time as hatred. periodshrough different during my interrogation. in the beginning, they charged me with espionage, there were psychological torture mostly. telling me that -- this isolation is the worst kind of torture because you are to private of all senses. you cannot touch anything except for the walls. you don't see anything except for the walls. you don't hear anything and that was the worst kind of torture and sometimes i really wished that i could get out of solitary confinement and i can go to the interrogation room so i had some human contact.
and then when the espionage. -- espionage period finished they asked me about my sex life and how many times and how much i pay them -- it was getting ridiculous and more ridiculous. it was basically a dark comedy. fromest comedies come dictatorships or about people who take themselves seriously. even in the terms of the daily show, your jokes about mitt romney were funny but donald trump is really funny because he takes himself much more seriously than rent romney -- then mitt romney. when i was in prison and i was being interrogated, my interrogator somehow became my muse. i thought i was in 10 days.
i would write a piece for "newsweek" called "10 days in iranian jail" and every time he said something stupid or making a presumption about my life or life in the west, i was saying to myself, that will end up in the book. and i was trying to add color to it, as well, i was asking him a question. basically, he did not have any other human contact besides me, as well, because he spent all his time in the interrogation room. he was tired of talking to his buddies, other revolutionary guard so sometimes he was confiding in me. he was telling me about his personal life. i could hear his conversations with his wife. even sometimes when he was beating me, he was talking to his wife. i remember one day he was holding my ear in his hand and
he was just twisting my hair. it was really, really painful. and his phone raining and he kept twisting my ear and while he was talking on the phone, i said, "would you just let go of my ear while you're talking," and he hit my head and he said, "i'm talking on the phone, be quiet." it was just really ridiculous. candy: and it makes it probably more dangerous because there's no rationale here. maziar: exactly. candy: you're dealing with this -- you don't know how to play with, as we talked about, theater of the absurd. maziar: it is some sort of spectacle. it is multilayered and i try to talk about it in the book, as well. that these forced confessions that they have is a whole ceremony around torture and beating and getting confession, it has become some sort of amusement for the people within the regime and people within the revolutionary guard and the
intelligence agencies, especially because ordinary iranians do not believe in forced confessions or people appearing on television confessing against themselves. but when you read the articles by people close to the revolutionary guards or hard-liners in iran, you see they really relish this. and they are perfecting it. it has better lighting, better staging. they put flowers next to people when they want to confess. they put books, the books can be more intellectual. it used to be koran and religious books but now it's tolstoy and dostoyevsky. candy: torture as a sport. maziar: it's torture as a spectacle, basically. one of the other things that led to my arrest among all the different journalists in iran was the islamic notion that they
believe in that is making an example of someone. in iran we have many public hangings now. when you ask the government official, why do you hang people in public, they say, we want to make an example of these people, we call them drug smugglers. so i was arrested to make an example of a journalist, of a filmmaker, so they could scare a large group of people. candy: there's so much more to this story which i hope you will ask about, both these gentlemen. there are four microphones for your questions. one up here, one up here, one there and one there. we only ask that you tell us who you are, keep your questions short and make sure it's a question. so to hear the end of the story, i'm counting on you-all to ask those questions. go ahead, up here.
>> i'm not going to ask about the rest of the story. you mentioned earlier that you didn't think you were journalists but i wanted to know your opinion about what you thought about recent political shows such as stephen colbert, jon stewart and now john oliver and the effect they have on public opinion, which i think is huge, and what do you think about that and how that's changing the political and media landscape of today? tim: it didn't seem to help much in this case, either directly or indirectly, although later he got a movie made of his life so i suppose that was something. i'll answer briefly because i don't know if that's what we're talking about. but i think it reflects public opinion. i don't know that it influences it so much. maybe there's particular stories or something that do get highlighted that you didn't otherwise know about.
but, like, for example, i was reading an article about the john oliver effect recently and this has been said about the "daily show," about all the things that changed because of him. there's only one or two things that might have changed, it was really that he was reporting on things that were in the process of change anyway. i think it's more of a reflection than a cause of change. candy: go ahead. >> i'm a student here at the kennedy school and would love to hear your thoughts on the iran deal. maziar: the iran deal, thank you for asking me. i support the iran deal. i have tried to read the agreement. it is very complicated and i know most of the people who have opinions about the deal, they do not understand much of what is said because it's a very technical document. but i support the deal because i just look at the alternative, which would be another war in the middle east, another invasion of a muslim country.
and that would definitely will affect and harm america and many other countries but especially it will harm iranians because it would militarize the situation inside iran and while iranians right now have some space to express themselves, to gather information, share information, if there's a military attack, if there is a military -- even a threat of a military attack, then it allows people within the revolutionary guard, this secret government, this parallel government that took over the country after the 2009 election, they will take over again and they will get rid of even this little space that we have in iran now. so i was just telling candy earlier that i have been in a very difficult situation since i came out of prison in 2009