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10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span3, c-span radio and c-span.org. process as a part of the response -- bidding process as a part of the response. can you tell me more about that process? are happy to we obama administration officials brief you on the more sensitive aspects of it in a nonpublic said that terrorist organizations are increasingly using the internet to recruit setting. individuals to conduct attacks. but it involved consulting a fbi director james comey and jeh number of different agencies, law enforcement and that isis andied intelligence, and the information that they had regarding each individual other terrorist groups are using social media to try and influence younger people. applicant. they took questions from members of the house on -- homeland it is a more robust process than security committee. it used to be. to some, it is time consuming. but it is something i think we need to do. it involves any information that may take time to resolve any uncertainties about the information. sometimes there might be a variance in a name or date of birth. but it involves consulting a quite the committee on homeland security will come to order. number of different agencies, as to committee is meeting well as a personal interview and
discuss threats the homeland. i recognize myself for an opening statement. gathering as much information as we can have about the person. first i would like to thank the witnesses for joining us, and >> i would appreciate it if you have an appropriate staff member for offering their insights on the security challenges we face breach me -- tell me about that at home and abroad. privately. comey, i have seen we will cover a lot of ground from america's border security to our cyber defenses. your organization do phenomenal i wanted to focus in particular on the rising terror threat to the homeland. things. having said that, i'm curious to last month, the committee held a know, is there any other tool we first-ever congressional hearing at the 9/11 memorial you see him in new york. can provide you that would help you locate these individuals it ground, we were reminded of this solemn pledge our country met -- made in the that you refer to on social media that are recruiting, and aftermath. to never let such a day happen again. organizing in this country that that result became the rallying you don't have at hasn't -- at cry of this nation as we embark present? director comey: i don't think on a generational war against islamist terror.14 years later so. to me the conversation about , we are still engaged in that struggle. going dark is not about new authority. you have given us authority to go to federal judges and have
today i expect an unvarnished probable cause and get a search assessment from our witnesses warrant. about where we stand in the we think that is appropriate. fight. we are at a turning point in the new age of terror. we are big fans of the rule of i predict this year could exceed law and the bill of rights. the last to become the most i think that is a good set of authorities. violent year on record for global terrorism. the challenge we face is solving radical islamists are recruiting problems with those tools under the fourth amendment are no longer as effective as before, online, across borders and at and that is the huge problem i'm broadband speed. talking about. i don't see it as more the impact is being felt worldwide. theren the united states, authorities for the fbi, i see it as all of us trying to figure out how the authorities we already have can be used to good have been more terrorist cases effect. >> you also made reference this year involving homegrown jihadists in any full year since 9/11. isis alone has inspired or earlier about this surge of inected 17 terror plots activity you are having to manage now. america since early 2014, and do you have the adequate resources to deal with that overall the group has been surge? linked to more than 60 plots secretary johnson talked about against western targets from sequestration and the burdens on canada to australia. the agency. what do you think about that? the pace of terror plotting is unprecedented. do you have what you need? director comey: the honest unrivaled even by al qaeda at its peak. answer is i don't know. yet we are no closer to -- what we
dismantling isis then we were a year ago, despite 14 months of experienced in may, june, and airstrikes, the group has part of july were to become the new normal, it would really largely maintained a course stretched the fbi. to me, we had to move a lot of eight haven while expanding a global footprint. folks from criminal work -- the isis reign of terror is fueled by recruitment of warren surveillance is only easy on tv. tires hail from more than 100 following someone 20 47 is really hard without them countries including our own. knowing. search hundreds of ais committee launched people, moving to national bipartisan task force to examine security. the foreign fighter threat.last month the group released its final report was disturbing that bumping cases has dropped off a little bit. findings. we are watching very close the and have moved people to do overall, they found we are losing the struggle to stop criminal work. americans from traveling if that surge becomes the new normal, i will have a different overseas to join jihadists. view and make sure congress we have only managed to stop a knows the minute i reach that conclusion. >> i hope you will. small fraction of the hundreds we want to be helpful and give of americans who have attempted you the tools we need, but we to fight in syria and iraq. have to hear from you. some have even managed to make we can help you unless you tell us. it back into the united states director comey: yes, sir. after enlisting with terrorist >> thank you, i yield back. >> the chair recognizes mr. groups. we are falling behind the threat for many reasons. keating. the challenges
vulnerable, young people are being recruited at record you described in terms of encryption and expanding social speeds, and terrorists are shifting communications to dark networking, one strategy is to space, which has made it far maximize our other abilities to more difficult to monitor and thwart terrorist acts. intercept suspects. along those lines it has been a priority of mine and the these secure communication tools committee to look at enhancing are being used to plot attacks in our own country. information sharing amongst federal agencies, and local law enforcement as well, moreover, gaping security weaknesses overseas especially in europe, are making it easier for extremist to travel to and particularly in the wake of the boston marathon bombing. from conflict zones. at the end of the day, we cannot the fbi has moved keep individuals from being forward in this and i know the recommendations we are lured to terrorist hotspots unless we eliminate the problem at the source. sadly, those prospects are growing darker. reviewing here. could give us you the president's failure to develop a coherent strategy in an update on what you have done syria and iraq has emboldened already in the wake of the boston marathon bombing, use adversaries to fill the vacuum with disastrous consequences. that as a timeframe, and what you see going forward? russia and iran are propping up sad, and our reports director comey: thank you keating.an cuban special forces have joined
the fight those rogue regimes will fan the flames of i think we learned good things sectarianism and make it harder for us to get better coming out of the bombing. i appreciate your focus on it. for us to eliminate the terrorist take to area in the region. i believe we are in a much their actions will also intensify rushing -- refugee better place today. we could really be better, but here is how i think about the flows, which has become a improvement. we make sure everyone on the security challenge in light of joint terrorism task force knows reports that terrorists are exploiting the crisis to sneak the default is sharing information. in particular, we want the operatives into the west. leaders of the agencies violent extremists are also represented to understand that expanding a foothold from libya active participation. to afghanistan, yet i am alarmed we do inventory review on a we lack a clear vision for regular basis. reversing gains and winning the sometimes once a week, sometimes wider war against islamic once a month. we want everyone to come in and terror. if we failed to defeat enemies say this is what we opened in we will be forced to the last month and this is what , and questions and fight more than here at home. we have learned this the hard way. concerns. today, i hope to hear from witnesses about these challenges but also if there is something and how they are agencies are else they want to do, they are able to do that. we have pushed that both in working to strengthen the defenses on the home front. letter and spirit to understand, my gratituderess we are all in this together, to each of you with -- for
especially this threat that is cooperation with the committee, so spread out. we need state and local partners to spot this and stop it. dedication to the country and sor success in disrupt ring we are much better than we were two years ago. i want to be. many terrorist plots. let me close by saying that the that there are always ways to fbi and homeland working improve but that is my sense. 70ether have arrested almost youreating: i think isis related individuals in this agencies have done a great job in wording so many terrorist threats. country. you have done a great job of swatting the mosquitoes. i am amazed at what we have and able to stop and i want to the other thing we have to do, in light of some challenges, is to dry up the swamp as much as commend you for that. we can. with that, the chair recognizes the ranking member. >> i think the chairman for along those lines, think it's done, thedhs has holding today's hearing. to whatetary, welcome office of community partnerships and making that the central point of trying to thwart some is your first appearance before of these attacks. this committee. i would like to ask the hearing yourd to secretary, what is your progress in that. how do you value that informed perspective on today's topic. i would like to thank the , how is your funding for that?
directors for their testimonies. if you could, i think it is that threat to peer,ing that peer to this nation are concerning and worthy of examination, i also your progress with that program believe that as the authorizing and how it might be working. it is important. committee of the department of we are a great country. homeland security, it is our no one has the resources to out responsibility to hear from the message us, but we are not secretary about the overall maximizing on that, and that is management of the hs. important. if you could comment on that. the bipartisan committee, sec. johnson: thank you for the question. i have taken a great personal violent in countering government accountability office and inspector general have identified challenges within the department. componentsy, there extremism. i believe it is fundamental and indispensable to our overall and that departments that have post-restructuring. while the secretaries initiative efforts. i have done a number of community engagements myself. has made strides since the the reason i created the office for community partnerships is beginning of the congress, but the federal employee viewpoint because we need to take the efforts to the next level. survey still indicates the dhs what this office does is has a long way to go to improve consolidate in one place all the workforce morel. people across my department that -- morale. are devoted to the efforts. also the 18th components with a i want to build on that so we
zero failed minute -- have a field capability and i want an office that will in addition to engaging the community also engaged the tech department, the developphilanthropies, cyber mission is critical as we our own grantmaking capabilities look to prevent crippling attacks from cyber terrorists. here, in terms of adequate funding the biggest i will keep while we have heard from several coming back to is please repeal have yet tos, we sequestration. hear from the head of the agency on the record about how he is if i have to deal with that, then i come up short on lots of feeling his vision about the things. >> how about the peer-to-peer department and what he needs program? from congress. today's hearing and the topic and testimony does not provide engaging young people in terms of the messaging process. amongohnson: i think that for a hearing from the secretary mentioned.cs i have bright, college aged people in therefore, i am asking you, mr. chairman, for a commitment at particular, lie the best ideas some point to hold a hearing on the oversight of the department of homeland security and invite on cde for the way forward. secretary johnson to testify before the end of the first session of congress. i have engaged several college organizations on helping us in the success of the our effort. department is a shared concern. that is a work in progress.
each member to have the in my experience, young people opportunity to question the secretary and open heading and tend to approach it a little continue to hold him differently than older, more accountable. today's hearing on the worldwide , the opportunity to hear experienced people of their parents age. i can talk with you at later the perspective of top government officials on wide detail off-line about. that yourcomment, raging threats of terrorism from both international groups and agencies have are important. domestic terror. that's why you're here. though it is oversight, this but if we want to be successful committee has given attention to we have to expand beyond that in the threat from international the nonprofit side, the public side, private side, and obtain organizations including al qaeda and the islamic state of iraq more engagement. i think we should not and limit on cash and lemon on shortchange resources at all your agencies to try to do that lebanon.imi because i think it is important. it is an aspect we have not maximized. thank you. >> i want to commend the secretary for adopting a lot of there are still intelligence and the provisions in combating information sharing gaps that need to be addressed here it violent extremism bill. continue our we we appreciate that. chair recognizes mr. duncan. >> thank you, mr. chairman. efforts to address humanitarian
response to the refugee crisis in syria. secretary johnson, the term otm i want to hear from each witness about their agencies, is a dhs term? sec. johnson: it is certainly a intelligence capability, and how term we use around dhs. across thepprehended they are working together as we prepared to assist in this humanitarian crisis. border not of mexican descent? as members of congress, we have sec. johnson: yes. >> i will talk all latinos out the responsibility to convey here it there are other people accurate information to our constituents and to the media. across the border of african, as we rightfully continue to asian and middle eastern address the threats from descent, am i not correct. international terrorist sec. johnson: yes. organizations, i want to >> apprehended crossing the reemphasize that we should not lose sight of the threats posed southern border? by terrorists that are right sec. johnson: yes. >> our southern border is not as they areica, secure. we have no idea who is coming into the country. those that have no plans on traveling overseas to receive i can go on to iran and training from any group. hezbollah, and the ties between through social media networks, that thend paraguay, isil has encouraged loan chairman and i investigated a offenders to perpetrate violence number of years ago. right here on our soil. this approach is not novel. right-wing domestic terrorist we have no idea who is in the country.
we have no idea who can come into the southern border because groups also use social media to it is not secure. are you familiar with the jewish recruit and communicate. man start -- shot in brussels in again mr. chairman, violent singlests knows no may or june of 2014? ideology or recruitment tactic sec. johnson: yes. here it even though some federal officials have in dismissive of died.eral people domestic terrorism, and others generate false intelligence to the perpetrator was a foreign fighter trained in libya are the contrary, the facts are syria, or a rock. clear. we are not sure, but he made his way back into europe. because of open borders he made since september 11, more people his way to brussels and killed in the united states had died in attacks by domestic extremists, several people, and then fled then attacks by international terrorist groups. was justay to france, mr. chairman, we often discuss with the 9/11 commissioners about to jump out of europe into imagination.ure of africa before he was apprehended. flow isfighter something we have to be serious as we use today to discuss the about, especially because of threats to our country, let us not fail to imagine the open borders. especially because of the devastation that can be caused millions of middle-aged and by the extremists both abroad and in our backyard. young middle eastern men that with that, i yield my time. have migrated to europe, who could possibly have the ability
>> i appreciate your bipartisan to enter in this country because cooperation on the task force of open borders visa waiver programs. report, which i think was valuable. it might not be this year, it could be five years after citizenship. federal law whatever it takes, i will say this. enforcement and the intelligence community. i think the chairman misspoke i will honor your request to have another hearing on the when he used the number 10,000 oversight issue as well. immigrants coming in the we have a distinguished panel country. before us. i have heard the number as 100,000 year. the honorable jeh johnson, serving as the fourth secretary of homeland security since his regardless, it is too many if we do not have the ability to vet those individuals. swearing-in on december 23, some of those will come to south carolina. i will tell you the people in south carolina are concerned 2013. vetut our inability to previously he was general counsel for the department of led overwhere he property the refugees coming. 10,000 civilian and military lawyers across the department and work the rate operation on i have been to the refugee camp in jordan. i understand the immense challenge that we face a ine compound in about abide -- humanitarian standpoint. pakistan to take down osama bin need or desiree laden. for middle eastern people to try to create a better life for their family. served as a deputy i think the chairman spoke
appropriately saying we are a humanitarian nation. director and as a member of the national security council staff, where he was special assistant but we have a different to the president and senior situation on our hands . director for counterterrorism. we have a group known as isis, finally, we have the honorable and al qaeda is still relative, james comey, who has served as who want to come to this the federal bureau of country, who have said they will investigations director since --loit this refugee country 2013.ber program to come to this country. if they can go to europe and previously he was general jumped africa and make it to counsel for bridgewater associates and deputy attorney south america because of our general at the department of open borders, they could come justice. he also worked on the exile across our border the way the otm's are coming today. program, which i remember meeting with u.s. long time ago attorneys a deputy tell people in south carolina about our vetting of general for the state of texas trying to implement the same these refugees that will put program in texas. we thank you for being here as well. witnesses folding events will be their minds to rest? in the record. that we are properly vetting the chair recognizes secretary everyone coming into this state that may wish to harm the united johnson for an opening statement. states? sec. johnson: thank you chairman. ofase share with me some bit congressman thompson, members of the committee, it is a pleasure to appear before you. good news about this refugee resettlement program, because i'm not hearing it. you have my prepared statement. news is comey: the good
i will not read it in its entirety. let me give you a few thoughts. we are much better at doing it 9/11,onth, i attended, on than we were eight years ago. the bad news is there is no risk free process. >> i hear interviews in the the ceremony that occurred in but i alsogee camps, pennsylvania. this was the 14th anniversary of 9/11. hear the records are not there. that ceremony in particular was i just want to encourage you a sobering reminder of the acts to rethink the resettlement of terrorism, but also the acts of heroism that day, particularly on flight number 3 of refugees in this country -- 93. especially in the numbers i am hearing. i met almost all of their i yield back. families that day. clarification. the events on 9/11 were the most prominent and devastating example of terrorist attacks were recruited and directed thrown out the overseas and exported to our homeland. 100,000 number as syrian refugees. the hijackers were acting on my understanding it is 100,000 orders from al qaeda's external refugees total worldwide, 10,000 operations chief, shaikh potentially from syria. mohammed, who was carrying out maybe you want to clarify that. sec. johnson: what we have said the direction of osama bin laden. we will commit to
likewise, the attempted shoe bomber in december 20 -- 2001, resettling 10,000 syrian the underwear bomber in december refugees, and a total worldwide bomb ine attempted of 85,000. >> i just wanted to get that on the record. >> if i made, where do we times square in 2010 and the attempted in october 2010 were anticipate them coming from? all efforts to export terrorism syria, iraq, afghanistan, libya? to the united states, and they do we have any idea? all appeared to have been can we identify the countries directed by terrorist organization overseas. being targeted are resettlement? the response to these types of attacks and attempted attacks on take theand was to -- four resettlement? sec. johnson: it is done by region of the world, that is a fight directly overseas. but today the global terrorist publicly available fact. refugees come from every part of the world, obviously some more troubled faces than others. threat is more decentralized, >> mrs. watson coleman. more complex, and in many respects, harder to detect. >> thank you for holding this hearing. the newly audi involves the potential for smaller scale q gentlemen. attacks by those who are either it is actually comforting to not-grown or home-based, hear you refer to each other by first name, it means you are collaborating in cooperating.
it is good there is a exported and who are inspired relationship there. by, but not necessarily directed by a terrorist organization. longer necessary it makes me feel better, although this is a very scary time. for terrorist organizations to andonally recruit, train, i have a few questions. i want to start with a question with you, mr. johnson. direct operators overseas in secret and export them to the u.s. to commit a terrorist the secret service is leading an attack. today would you sense god the investigation of an online said hehat recently internet, -- use and skill of the internet, they can conspire gained access not only to see director's personal e-mail accounts, but also your own e-mail account. to conduct attacks within the homeland. al qaeda and the arabian peninsula no longer hides the will you please describe what the current plan is in place for the secret service to prevent bombs. builds this intrusion given the it publicizes the instruction manual in its magazine and the department has publicly urges people to use it. experienced recently including the opm data breach? today, we are also concerned i don't think i about foreign terrorist fighters who are answering public calls can comment about an ongoing to leave their home countries in investigation. the one thing i will say is europe and elsewhere to travel to iraq and syria, and take up the extremist right there. don't believe everything you read in the newspaper, because a many of these individuals will lot of it is inaccurate. return to their home countries with an extremist motive. there is a pending investigation
by the fbi and secret service. i don't think i can comment right now. >> ok, thank you. how wery interested in are approaching and looking at i complement the committee in the security and safety threats to us. your assessments of the risk and the report. obviously, but those who are influenced or direct by foreign as noted in the report, my department has undertaken much of what his been recommended -- countries and jihadists, but own homegrown our has been recommended. we continue to institute measures to detect and prevent travel by foreign terrorist fighters, along with the good right wing extremist, who read work of the fbi. andrecent wave of attacks dangerous conditions on a suspect people. i would like to know from the attempted attacks here and in europe reflect the new reality of global terrorist threats. three of you whether or not there is an assessment of a the boston marathon bombing in greater risk or equal risk, or april 2013, the attack on the lower risk from one type of war memorial in ottawa in violent experience as opposed to the other, and what kind of october 2014, the charlie hebdo resource application we had across the various entities that headquarters in paris in january deal with both types, right wing 2015, the attempted attack in
garland city, texas in may of extremists. 2015, and the attack that killed director comey: there are two five service members in in july.ga parts to the counterterrorism division. international and domestic. what do these wave of recent common?all have in we have hundreds and hundreds of able wake up every day worrying about the mystic extremist, -- they were all conducted by home-grown or home-based actors, and they all appear to have been whostic extremists, people inspired, but not directed by, al qaeda or isil. are not inspired or motivated by international terrorism organizations that people who see themselves as part of some political resistance movement or we are concerned about domestic terrorism in the form of a lone variouso can include some racially motivated aspects of domestic terrorism, such as right wing extremism. movement in the united states. we do a lot of work on that front. our assessment is about the same as it was over the last couple efforts toubstantial of years. the study and understanding of these threats and continue to it is about the same. international terrorism threat further the understanding of the underpinning of terrorist threats in all forms. with respect to that coming from the outside in and those in terms of what we are doing motivated internally has about it, i look forward to your questions. changed, and gone up especially the last two thoughts i have, with those responding to isil's
members of congress asked me what can we do to help. message. >> for clarification, is there how can we support the department of homeland security missions. any sort of ranking between the violence?of there are two things i would like to leave you with. first of all, through the work of this committee and the house, the house passed hr 1731, which is there a greater threat from the domestic right-wing extremist who is racist and in my judgment is a solid cyber security piece of legislation. anti-semitic, as opposed to the i hope something closely jihadist inspired or directed? resembling it or it itself director comey: we do not becomes law. i know the senate with compare them in that way. it is like which do you dislike amendments offered on the senate moore, heart attacks are cancer. floor the other day, 754, the they are both very dangerous. >> and just trying to get at, is cyber security information sharing act. that bill in its current form is in my judgment, a good piece of there a difference in the application of resources for one type versus the other? legislation. i hope the senate takes it up on i did the different offices in the senate floor, passes it and it goes to conference with the charge of one type or the other house. or is there a cross pollination? i want to thank the members of director comey: there are two the committee who are leaders in thesions in the effort. we need cyber security legislation. the last thing i will say,
counterterrorism division. one on domestic and the other on the international including its probably the most important thing i can say, i cannot manifestations inside the country. they talk to each other a lot. deliver for the american public, i have done briefings from them jointly. they worry about crossover. the homeland security congress expects of me as long as i have to live with this sequestered we think about them using the same intelligence resources. budget. we apply the same tools to unless congress repealed understand presence on social media. as theaddressing both sequestration, that will have significant negative effects to our ability to deliver cyber serious threat they are. >> are we collecting information security, border security, aviation security, maritime on the type of violence that occurs like that occurred at mother bethel church and around the country? provide protection for our national leaders in so forth. i we collecting that data and putting it into a database and so i advise congress to repeal sharing that, so we have an understanding of those types of sequestration so we can do what violent extremists? we need to do for the american people. director comey: yes. homeland security is a frontline >> thank you. for national security. thank you. >> i agree. do you care to comment, mr. we need to reprioritize our johnson? budget towards national security and defense. on the cyber security bill, i'm sec. johnson: i don't think there's anything i can add. director rasmussen: i agree. glad we were able to enhance -- --hink the senate version
actually, my mission leads me outside of the domestic terrorism except for analytical more towards the house version, purposes. do we havequestion, a successful committee was a great help to deliver to you so knowledge on whether or not we that you can do a great job for have had the same kind of angst that important effort. and anxiety with resettlement finally, thank you for your recognition of the report from the iraqi refugees, and did itself. and the task force. with that, the chernow we find that angst has been addressed, have we learned lessons and done things chair now recognizes differently? sec. johnson: short answer is mr. rasmussen. yes, we have. mr. rasmussen: thank you. there have been lessons learned from that refugee experience. before getting into that threat with the fbi, inc. we had picture in detail, i want to improved the process. stress that we are very closely >> thank you very much. aligned with dhs, fbi, and the >> mr. clawson. >> thank you for your leadership terrorism partners in terms of how we view the threat as always, and i appreciate all environment. from an analytic perspective, i would start by saying the three of you coming today and what you do for the country and chances for a spectacular the sacrifice you make. large-scale attack by an it is not small. overseas terrorists group have i appreciate that. been substantially reduced over tired of the bad trade
the last few years. we have collectively achieved that outcome through aggressive deals our country makes. i get tired of trading partners counter action after the robust taking us to the cleaners. i get tired of paying american infrastructure we have developed as a country in the last 14 years. but while we can look with some manufacturing jobs going overseas. degree of satisfaction at the work done to reduce that threat i am the uaw if of a large-scale mass casualty attack, there is still quite a lot to be concerned about on the i'm not happy with the chinese landscape. currency and export currencies. and that landscape, as you yourself said mr. chairman, it is more challenging than ever. it is also clear that the terrorist operating paradigm has as we see american manufacturing infrastructure get decimated, shifted, shifting in ways that are particularly challenging as pretty soon we are just not going to make anything. we try to identify and disrupt why not protect the american worker a little bit? potential threats to the homeland. today, there are more threats originating in more places and on top of that, the chinese hack involving more diffuse set of us. billions of dollars go to the individuals that anytime previously. chinese any trade deficit/ they had our companies, and -- a first, as you would expect, we we are focused on i hack our companies and government and we keep on isi. trading. as i understand it, you said
time will tell whether what we sil. have done little keep them from hacking in the future. that conflict is increasingly being played out not just in i say, why don't we protect the american worker, the american iraq and syria, but also in other places around the world sil hasisi hai andany, american unions, our infrastructure at the same time? declared. because if we put our markets on , anymore and said potentially in southeast asia, as well as and their aggressive growth and has applications here hacking, you lose access to at home in our threat picture. retail market, that would go away immediately, because they and there are three especially depend on us to live. concerning features in my judgment. while i watch our manufacturing they haveis that sector get decimated, and these people hacking us, you are there access to extensive resources in terms of manpower, military with the administration. material come and funding. the second concern is the i just wonder why we don't use the obvious leverage we have. it is obvious. territorial control they exercise iraq and syria as well and it makes me upset because i see so many of my hands and as some of the province as i people i grew up with that lose mentioned. and the third is again something you highlighted in your remarks good paying american jobs. mr. chairman, their access to a and you say only time will tell whether the chinese will obey us large full of individuals from or not.
western countries fared both those that have traveled and those that remain in their home while we open up our markets. countries. and i missing something on my and when we look for indicators, analysis of the situation? potential external operations sec. johnson: in response to that could threaten the homeland, these are the key cyber attacks on our government features we generally expect to see. they are present with isil. and on the private sector, there are a number of things seen and mentionedjohnson also unseen we have done, and that we the homeland piece of that threat. we have started to view their are considering. what i was referring to when i say time will tell, when the attack activity has fallen along a spectrum. and one and, we see isolated president of china was here, and in the run-up to his visit, the individuals who draw inspiration from isil's high sophisticated chinese government agreed that media content. and theft ofonage even if they are not guiding their actions. something more traditional, we commercial information for commercial purposes was wrong assess there are individuals who and was a crime. may in fact receive direct they agreed to that in writing. guidance and specific direction time will tell whether they will from members. more often than not, individuals live up to that agreement. we see in the homeland tend to but it was significant in the operate somewhere between those sense that they publicly, out of two ends of the spectrum -- reading a fluid spectrum the mouth of their president, committed to that.
difficult to assess. if you look be on isil, we but time will tell. continue to th around the have we ever talked as the leadership of our country of using the obvious market e to devote around the oferage we have as a third world, in no respect would we the global gdp and source of economic growth for the whole downgrade the al qaeda threat in world, do we ever talk about using that leverage to get not favor of greater threat from i only fair trade deals, but keep them from robbing our ip and sil. my number one hacking? terrorist concerned, we could stop it next month, just shut down the retail markets to cheaters and let the american worker catch a break i declined to answer. for once. we are focused on significant all at the same time. threats we are confronting. sec. johnson: i would refer you we are closely watching for signs that al qaeda's attack to other agencies of the government about that. >> you are on the board of ability is being restored ahead directors, you are on the staff of the drawdown in afghanistan. qaeda to ability of al part of this the point operatives from south touches you. i think if you were back in the private sector, that answer asia has been degraded, we might not be acceptable. continue to watch for and track core alions that poor a i'm asking, does the senior leadership of our country as we get taken to the cleaners on
trade and hacking and ip, has qaeda is engaged on the homeland. secretary johnson singled out al anybody thought about using our markets as leverage? qaeda on the arabian peninsula. do you talk about that? sec. johnson: i suspect the that is for good reason. answer is yes. >> i would like to see a little they remain on the top of our there. list, given the unrelenting sec. johnson: i had been refer focus on targeting u.s. you to other agencies of our interests, including the aviation sector. , we have in government back and give you an answer. >> the american worker does not watching affiliated networks and want referring to other individuals in syria who may be agencies. looking to carry out external operations against the west or people who get technology still in don't want reform and. potentially the homeland. and while we have had public they want leadership. we are getting taken to the cleaners on four different successes in terms of disrupting fronts and we don't want to get some of the individuals involved in that plot from syria, it is to -- referred to an outside study. clearly more to be doing. we want leadership for american the work continues. jobs and technology. i don't inc. that is too much to ask. isast area i will mention you are part of the team. help our country, help our the growing use of simple opportunity driven attacks by homegrown violent extremists. companies and help unions and that style of attack is clearly workers get a fair shake. proliferating. when you look back to 2009, we i yield back. >> ms. jackson lee. >> good morning. were seeing on average less than two or three of those incidents per year.
by last year, 2014, that number was it doesn't. thank you to determine and today date this year, that number of incidents or disrupted ranking member for these plots has doubled this year. important hearings on protecting the american people. suggesting there are a greater i want to pursue a line of questioning that sort of follows pursuing the u.s. the opening statements that you gentlemen have made. attack plans. and while it is very difficult but precise numbers on the population of homegrown violent extremists here in the u.s., there is no question in my mind and in the analyst that it has the director of the national terrorism center, his statement increased in size over the last that the actors around the globe 18 months. in my judgment, isil has is broader, wider and deeper than and has been ever time them.ed new life into threat/11 and the landscape is unpredictable. i think that is an important sentence that has been crafted they know they can have a real impact by motivating individuals and reinforced by the testimony to act in their own locations and leadership of all three of you, and i appreciate your carrying out individual attacks, service. even on a relatively modest scale. i have introduced a no-fly for that is particularly true for several attacks strung together foreign terrorists i would like to pursue, starting with in a compressed timeframe. comey, to reinforce that is a significant innovation in the playbook, something that al qaeda never quite managed to deploy against the street and requires that we in the the seriousness we should take counterterrorism community even though there's a lot of work of individuals leading --
adapt, as well. to include, i want to assure you leaving the united states and potentially coming back having and the rest of the committee gone to be part of the caliphate or isil and come back to the that we continue to work everyday day to detect, defeat, united states. and disrupt all manner of threats across the full spectrum can you frame how expensive that threat is? >> the returning terrorist of concerns we have read i look for to discussing these issues fighter threat is what i with you and the committee in greater depth. understand you to be asking >> thank you, sir. about, is what we are watching we appreciate the work you do. the chair now recognizes mr. very closely. we see the logic of it telling coming. ey. james comey: my colleagues have us that will be a problem for the next five years plus, made clear something that i will not repeat. l has broken the because not every terrorists will get killed on the battlefield in syria or iraq. model grid i want to explain why inevitably there will be a that leads us to talk so much diaspora. face withchanges we all three oft that encryption. social media has transformed us and the people we represent human experience in wonderful think about every day and how it will manifest down the road. ways. anyone inidea where >> do you maintain a statement my fifth grade class in yonkers you made a couple of weeks ago that there is a terrorist cell states?t, 50 or all 50 is today. my kids will know where everyone is. director comey: in all 50 states it is wonderful.
has used we have opened terrorism that,igations related to ubiquitous social media to break the model. to push the united states into the pocket on mobile devices of we have isil radicalization threads open. >> and you are a supporter of troubled souls throughout our country in all 50 states, a twin message. the concept of collecting data. come or killed. i serve on another committee dealing with crime and terrorism . an investigation. come to the caliphate and my understanding is you believe participate on god's side. we should be in the business of and if you cannot come, kill ensuring that data is collected where you are. a way todia works as for information on how to act on some of these issues of terrorism in particular. bigctor comey: i do, i am a sell cars, shoes, or a movie. it works to crowd source terrorism. supporter of the rule of the law starting in the summer of 2014, and using it to help protect the really invested in this. people. >> i would like to add when i and it works greas. say that, the rule of law, thank elected troubled souls that they had meeting -- it led to you, think that is an important point. i would like to put into the troubled souls that they had meaning. record, the no flight for foreign fighters. >> without objection. >> thank you very much. that investment started to pay dividends and tax all of our resources in the spring of this to the secretary, let me year. when suddenly we had dozens and
dozens of cases in the u.s. of are certainlywe people who were progressing along the spectrum from consuming to acting, the killing where they are. concerned about the hacking incident and i realize it is thanks to tremendous work by the men and women who work for us, under investigation. that was disrupted. we arrested dozens of people i would ask this committee we during this year to disrupt the have an opportunity for a classified briefing. , to haveze for you spot. the challenges we face is a norm that issue occur. are enormous. there are hundreds of people let me move forward to the issue across our great country your of the power grid in cyber troubled, who are consuming this poison. security, which i believe you we have investigations in all 50 states try to understand. have indicated we need more legislation. where are they from consuming to the also indicated we should get acting? would have sequester. very hard to find and evaluate them. i support you and many of us do, a gets harder still. it is not a nationwide haystack it is very hard to function. looking for needles. but i also would like to hear isil makes them disappear on us. about the power may find i live one through twitter, and they will move them grid of the united states and encryptedl the the work the homeland security department is doing the framework. i would like to commend you to apps. legislation i will offer we know if someone is really regarding specifically the power dangerous to us, the needle goes invisible.
that is very, very concerning grids of the united states. grade and the reaso,. i would also like the director of counterterrorism to as well . that we allbroadly answer that and follow up by answering a question regarding care about safety and security the handle we had on syrian on the internet. ick and jeh want refugees that may be coming into the united states. i want to thank the secretary encryption. , and securityfety for coming to my district and having a productive meeting with syrian americans who are open is colliding with public safety. and welcoming those who may have what we all care deeply about. to come out of persecution. answer, but a an sec. johnson: with regard to cyber security, the two most great democracy should see when the values are in collision. there is no easy answer. significant things that we are the good news is we're having productive conversations with local law enforcement, which hoping and need from congress cares deeply. are provisions in law to and with our alley and the and the companies encourage the private sector to share information with my who make the services. they are good folks who care department. about values. cyber threat indicator information with my department, it is a really hard problem with our country. we are not here to tell you what sharing the information is vital the answer is. to our homeland security efforts -- theere to tell folks for the private sector and government.
the other thing that is in pending legislation and now the fbi is not an alien force composed from mars. we belong to the american people. we have the tools the american house and senate is something that explicitly authorizes the system we have for detecting, people gave us through you. one of our jobs, if that tool is monitoring, and walking unwanted not working, we tell the american people. intrusions. that is why we talking about what is currently our einstein encryption. system. you see it in kidnapping cases, drug cases, child abuse cases. those are two things in pending legislations that will be there is a conflict in our extremely helpful. values that we must resolve. >> do you believe that the idea it is obvious in the case of isil. of the cyber security issue is we will continue doing the work. i'm very grateful for the that a lot of the infrastructures in the private high-quality product this sector, is there enough committee did on travelers. collaboration in the private sector? those responding to the first part of that siren song. we think of power, water and other elements. something interesting is happening, i want to tell the committee. just in the last few months, we is there enough of an element of are seeing fewer people attempt collaboration to be able to put up that firewall of protecting to travel to join isil in syria. the potential cyber threat? we have seen six in the last >sec. johnson: there is not enough and we need to encourage more. three and a half months. we were seeing nine a month and all the months before that. director rasmussen: degree question on the i don't know what to make of that.
one possibility is we are not seeing it the way we were. they are still going. to which terrorist organizations are interested in developing a cyber capability, they absolutely are. another possibility is all of our efforts to lock people up it is a growth industry as far and punish them for going and making a difference, the as terrorist organizations are difference is that we have concerned. thus far, the capability seems to be more evident at the low help from all around the world. end of the spectrum. especially the turks. like a hockey stick, it has flattened. thus far the kind of capability we will keep you posted on that. we have seen largely shows up in terms of pushing out people's i wanted you to know that fact, publicly available personal and we are very grateful for the information in a public way that conversation. >> thank you director. forchair now recognizes is potentially destructive. in a interest in attacking cyber way the electrical power questioning. grid or clinical infrastructure, let me say on the encryption issue, this committee is meeting with technology companies trying to find a solution to that. thus far we see that as more aspirational, not something the foreign fighter threat, the where we see capability existing, but we are carefully threat over the internet is watching. real. it has gone viral. it is a way for a terrorist i think the good news is that group to achieve widespread impact. >> if i could put these items to hussein was taken out by an the record, let me say that we airstrike that was probably reported. and it has some impact, i think. know that a number of terrorist
but it will continue until we incidents were aspirational to emphasize and i can't find a solution, a technology solution. i also want to commend you for the success, both you and the secretary of had, in stopping so enough my concern on the cyber attack of the nation's power many plots. we put on a monthly terrorist grid. i don't think we are putting snapshot. extra information out. and the fact is that every i hope all of you will focus pointedly on that as a major month, these numbers go up in terms of terror plots. concern. we had 17 of them in the u.s. mr. chairman, thank you very much for your testimony, i would inspired, andor like to ask the chairman to put into the record an article from the hill regarding pushing to almost 70 overall individuals boost power grid defenses arrested. against isis and a cnn statement you do not know what you do not know. regarding isil beginning to the chattanooga case is a good example. you cannot stop all of this. perpetrate cyber attacks as the unanimous consent for the the chatter is so high, it is record. hard to stop all agreed my first and to put into the record hr question very simply, and i will 85. >> without objection. directed to the secretary, the you consider the threat >> and a letter to the president on encryption signed by over 100 environment to the homeland to be one of the greatest since 9/11? individuals who are concerned about any proposals that we don't oversee. i want to give tools [inaudible]
appropriately overseas in the right way to protect both the american people and follow the johnson: i tend not to rank rule of law. >> without objection. >how many more? threats for make an assessment. >> two more. the current. is more or less dangerous than the united states of america report on refugee resettlement before, we have to focus on a number of things. and analysis by computer experts the thing i want to stress is that it is different. it is different than what it was on and chris -- encryption. >> without objection. in the 9/11 period. >> mr. chairman, i don't have it is more centralized, diffuse, any reports. complicated. but i do have a report i want to because of the going dark talk about. phenomenon, the very effective use of social media. and because of the potential for the lone actor who is not necessarily exported from overseas. i appreciate your comments. but who could strike here at any i am proud of the work the task moment. which requires more complex force did and many of my colleagues were part of that. response. a more whole government it was done in a bipartisan manner. when we did this over six response. months, we spent a lot of time i'mre very concerned, with folks from homeland security and fbi, and a lot of encouraged by the numbers jim cited about those we have known to leave. time with the national counterterrorism center.
is we also know that isil we learned a lot. i could be here all day asking the specifics. still out there every day making an appeal. so we have got to stay busy. >> director comey? there are couple of things i want to touch on. in the wake of 9/11 there was a in some ways, we legislation passed in 2006 to develop a national strategy to combat foreign fighter travel. are demonstrably safer. thanks to this committee. the landscape has changed tremendously, especially with respect to isis. our country is better organized, we were tougher than one of the recommendation is to have a updated report. before 9/11. as director rasmussen said, the what are your thoughts on that? big thing is not gone. but it has diminished significantly. sec. johnson: in general, i do but the same time, there has been a metastasize threat. believe we need a comprehensive throughout the world, we're looking at libya closely now. strategy to foreign terrorist parts the sinai and other fighter travel. of the world. it has become more diffuse. i also agree since 2006 the and moves faster through the social media, and there are a threat has evolved enormously. lot more people in the u.s. -- troubled souls after 9/11. particularly from european countries, we are concerned it is very different today. about those who have been to
syria and who come to this >> mr. rasmussen? country from a country for which diffusion we: the we do not require a visa. which is why i announced a number of security enhancements have talked about creates a particular problem, in that district is our resources that much more widely. with respect to travel from european countries to deal with the blanket have to cover more of the bed. this threat. when you look at the safe haven it is a significant problem and all other regions of have, we should instability around the world where a potential terrorist threat might emanate from, they enhance our have to have a comprehensive overall strategy for dealing with it. we are doing a lot on my end. collection of intelligence, our ability to partner with the fbi is doing a lot to governments in those regions. interdict those leaving the country. and that is just resource challenge. who are going to syria. if you think about the period qaeda, we werel but this is something that will be with us for a while. it involves working with our focused on afghanistan. >> it is more of a global friends and allies internationally, working with movement. the government of turkey, which let me move quickly to isis' is something i'm focused on. say, it thing i will "inspire magazine." read most of your report, i did
not get through all of it. they discuss moving an idea of mass destruction through i thought it was an excellent report. transnational criminal i complemented one of your staff organizations in the hemisphere and across the southwest border on the elevator ride, -- from mexico into the u.s. >> that made his day. being from texas, this certainly he appreciates that. concerns me. out tohnson: he pointed not getting into me, it wasn't me, it was the specifics, but a plot was members of congress. >> and i appreciate that. , tryingd at a moldova [laughter] i will add, the to smuggle nuclear one thing we can be sure, iraq material that could have and syria where we are focused reached our shores. on foreign terrorist fighters, we can be certain there is likely around the corner another how serious you take this conflict zone where foreign threat> >? mr. fighters will be a problem. ? comey: there is seriously. some of the very things you are report highlighted, the structures and procedures and capabilities in place to deal with this don't necessarily give y seriously. us an immediate relief. director rasmussen: they don't tell you that the flow of foreign fighters has been slashed or shut down.
classic extremely but i would argue, importantly that we are building capability low probability to mix for that will their out over time. nearly high impact event. so it has our constant focus. like wet secretary johnson said, >> my final focus is on syrian so much of the work on this problem is international. refugees. we had testimony before the committee that we do not have there is a good news story embedded in that, foreign intelligence on the ground in syria. we cannot properly vet these partners are far more willing to individuals through databases. share information then would we do not know who they are. have been the case in 2006 or i visited a camp in jordan with seven dealing with the foreign members on the committee. we were told the same thing. terrorist problem at that time. i know the ministration is planning on moving as high as problem of the 10,000 refugees into the undoubtedly larger and more complex, but the array of country. resources around the globe, this very quickly, my time is running out, how concerned are countries that you would never think we would be working, we you from a security perspective are exchanging successfully on this? information. theight, it seems like and you think this will increase your counterterrorism caseload if we bring in 10,000 syrians phenomenon and radicalization of homegrown terrorists, is an into the united states? added twist. secretary johnson? i think that weren't enough -- secretary johnson: i am concerned that we do the proper warrants enough for the
security vetting for the analysis. i do have a question for you, refugees. we committed to 10,000. mr. comey. and i will commit that each one in the task force will receive a careful vetting. and attacks on them. you traditionally have investigated international and that we will not know domestic terrorism. to direct the question brought a whole lot about the syrians that come forth in this process. earlier, the gatt f does not this given the nature of the situation, so we are doing discriminate under -- jttf does better at checking all the right not discriminate the cases. databases in the law enforcement is that correct? director comey: correct. and intelligence community that we used to. >> my concern is on top of that, so it is a good process and a thorough process. but that is definitely a challenge. a new phenomenon about isis and the stress that is that on foreign fighters coming back, >> i don't think i have anything to add to jeh. having to spend capital and resources to track them, which we see the risk, we work hard to mitigate it. our challenge will be as good as is very difficult as well as trying to find a needle in a haystack those getting radicalized over the internet. getting to the holdings. i want to make sure we get a good understanding. if the person is never crossed our radar screen, it will be nothing to query against. are they being stressed beyond breaking points, are they ok or >> we are humanitarian nation. do they need more help?
it is a humanitarian crisis. director comey: they are being stressed tremendously. we also have a responsibility to they were very very stressed in protect the american people. may and june, and early july in that is paramount to me. the chair now recognizes the particular. ranking member. giving your experience, you know >> taking off from your what kind of folks they are, question, relative to the syrian they will get the work done. if we have a new normal, we get can each of you them to get more resources they need. positionour agency's it is something we watch very carefully. >> i understand working together with the state and local on the vetting process for the authorities is helping your leverage, and i encourage what refugees? we can to keep that going a lot of us are concerned about whether or not you have enough because it is a very important information available to you to aspect of the puzzle. thank you very much. >> the chair recognizes mr. do an accurate vetting. horace. -- ms. torres. mr. rasmussen? >> to the fbi director, i want to thank you, personally for the mr. rasmussen: i'm happy to outreach your alley office has start. as director komi suggested, we done in my district. have a lot of lessons learned -- l.a. office has done in my
from we went through similar district here at is important we processes dealing with other have a face to that the number large refugee population. we are reporting to. workedink we now they have offered to do a , because we did have successfully to make sure that every bit of available intelligence information that the united states government holds will be looked at with respect to a potential nexus members of the community at that hearing. being screened as a refugee. thank you for that work. i certainly feel good about that process, and the degree to which we have tightened up over time. in your testimony, we were you cannot account for what you talking about terrorist do not know. that goes to the intelligence propaganda. deficit that i think is embedded in your question. and the outreach that these what we can do, though, is terrorist groups are doing through social media. understand where the potential vulnerabilities are. hiem very concerned about t so that we're asking in the process the right kinds of questions to give our screeners ir infiltration with local the best possible opportunities to make an informed judgment. it is not perfect. gangs. we have placed a lot of there is a degree of risk attention, and i congratulate you on the international work. attached to any process. we look to manage that risk as best we can. my concern is mexican mafia, the >> mr. secretary?
of us at the: each white supremacist groups that are targeting african-american communities. i want to ensure on the record that we are doing everything we table is acutely aware that in our world, one failure is the equivalent of 10,000 successes. can to also follow up on those issues. and there are in fact lessons we yes, those are learned from the vetting process an important part of the fbi's with regard to the iraqi work with local partners all day. refugees we took in. the process has improved. we are better at connecting extremists, the dots. bureau was given the resources after september 11 to make sure we could be great at both. checking the databases with international terrorism information we have. uscis me to do this responsibilities and a stick once -- domestic ones. on the ground, in places to vet >> earlier you said with sequestration you had had to refugees along with the state department. move people out of criminal but they will do so in investigation to do surveillance consultation with our law enforcement and intelligence work for these potential agency partners terrorists that go dark. . and we will do it carefully. that is why i bring that out to you. we will commit the resources carefully. i echo whatey: >> mr. director? secretary johnson said about view, bothmey: in my west ration. one of the reasons we have had
to move resources is we are trying to hire out of the hole what the director and the left two years ago. secretary said. we hired 2000 people. are year, and this year we feeling that our existing systems are robust trying to hire 3000 people we sure this asur are trying to dig out of that hole and get us the people who can fill those slots. if we get hit again, i don't know what we will do. committee to the extent >> when we met last year, ask practical, no terrorists can get about ensuring that you hire through that process? people that look like america, and that we are targeting areas comey: the issue we where we need certain languages and certain ethnic backgrounds face is what jim mentioned. to be represented at the fbi tape. johnson: there may also -- table. how is your progress on that? be the possibility that someone director comey: it's probably decides to do something that too early to tell but we are after they have been admitted devoting a lot of effort to through the process. that, to encourage people from but we do have a good system in the undertaking that all different backgrounds and walks of life to try to get into the fbi. not about lowering standards, we we have made. director, before this just need people to give us a chance.
one of my daughters said, the problem is you are the man. committee, assistant director i don't mean that as a good thing, you are the man, nobody steinback said the concerns in wants to work for the man. you have to change the way they think about it. syria are that we do have the we are working hard, for folks systems in place on the ground to collect the information to to understand the bureau is a great people -- a great place vet. that would be the concern. for latino, african-american databases do not hold the people to work. information on these it's a great place. individuals. is that still the position of mr. rasmussen, you talked the department? comey: we can only about the creation of a community engagement group. how do you intend to do that and query against that which we have collected. who are the community so if someone has never made a partners you would be inviting ripple in the pond in syria and to participate? director rasmussen: in my a way that would get their identity or their interest written remarks i highlighted the work we are doing alongside reflected in our database, we can query our database until the secretary johnson's team and comey's team.' cows come home. there will be nothing to show up, because we have no record on that person. that is what the assistant director was talking about. in this effort, it ends up being you can only query what you have a separate and distinct
collected. conversation in almost every community. with respect to iraqi refugees, in each community we work we had far more because of our together, the leadership looks country's worked there for a different, the problem looks decade. this is a different situation. different, the set of actors who >> the chair recognizes mr. have influenced looks different. that is what makes it hard. smith from texas. i think we are doing great work, mr. smith: thank you. but it has been hard to scale up because there is no single i want to get figures on the table. answer where you say, touch this in los angeles, it works in dallas or miami. 15,000 syrian refugees this that is why it is so year, as many as 30,000. is that generally correct? important to engage local law enforcement and ensuring >> the number this year is diversity is at the top of the 10,000. priority. director rasmussen: i agree completely. mr. smith: the next year would i would not even suggest we are be how many? >> i don't believe a decision bringing a solution to those has been made. local communities. in many cases we are bringing but this year we want to take and 10,000. mr. smith: it has been reported information that will hopefully and powered the communities to actually make the choices and there were be three times as changes and take steps necessary many, much more a significant to deal with extreme iism. volume. you have all used the word risk. >> the chair recognizes mr. and i assume that what we have heard. heard and read is accurate, and >> thank you to the chairman and
that terrorist organizations distinguished panel. will be tempted to try to infiltrate these refugees and tell the men and women that work for you, thank you on behalf of try to sneak individuals into us as well. the country who might commit terrorist acts. i spent nine years as an undercover officer in the cia. i guess the question i have for you, how likely is it that i was in cia when 9/11 happened. terrorist organizations are if you would have asked me then going to try to take advantage of the admission of these that there would not be a major refugees, to get people in the attack on the homeland for over 14 years, i would have sent you country to my commit activities? are crazy. likely or not likely? but we have not had one because of the men and women in the >> that is an intelligence organization are working, as of question. september 12, and the tenacity >> we're certainly seen terrorist groups talk about and that takes, i recognize that and think about exactly what you're describing, mr. smith. try to use available program's my hats off to them. to get people not only in the united states but into western thes great representing european countries as well. 23rd congressional district of texas and also those men and we know they aspired to do that. women doing that. i do not know that i would go so over 820nt almost -- far to say they are likely to succeed. because, again -- miles of the border. secretary johnson, you have mr. smith: is it possible to hard-working men and women of the border patrol and customs along the border. conduct background checks on these individuals?
or is it they are in the opportunityesome database and they would be for three of them for the flagged? congressional medal of valor. they went above and beyond during a flood. if they already have a public background, that you will be able to uncover, there to get it was straight out of the movie. i see what these men and women people in the country who have not yet committed a terrorist act. are doing every day. don't you think it is likely they're going to try to do that? i would like to work with your , it impacts director >> there is a pretty thorough vetting process which encompasses a personal assessment of each individual, coming, this is the right sizing which includes an interview. it is not just simply what is in of the federal fleet. i think the tsa requirement does the public record. does a person have a rap sheet not take into account the unique of any kind? challenges law enforcement has mr. smith: that is my concern. to deal with or folks on the border. i look forward to working with whoever in your office on this you are relying on what they issue and solving that problem write in an application, and you cannot go beyond that. you are sort of having to take with the gsa. their word for it. another red flag to me is that in the past year, historically secretary johnson, i'm and traditionally, deputies have interested in on how you been members of families. ilculate in the process, and the typical profile of the syrian refugee, i am told, is would welcome analysis of that.
that most are young, single, male. as opposed to family members. my first question to you, to me, that would raise a red flag, as well. secretary johnson, this cyber do you have any comments about that? deal with china that was announced. sir, one from me, have we seen any impact it is having on attacks or critical observation i have of resettled infrastructure from the chinese? syrian refugees in this country sec. johnson: at this point i so far is that they tend to would say it is too early to make an informed assessment. settle into communities that are one thing that i will be looking very -- that embrace them. int are very supportive to see is whether in our follow-up engagement, which i syria-american community's hope to have in december, we will see progress building on around the country. i have seen that myself. it tends to be pretty tightknit what we agreed to on paper. and supportive community. mr. smith: as i say, both the that to me will be a first profile and the motives of indicator of whether or not the terrorist organizations, and chinese are taking seriously your admission that there is what they agreed to do when they some risk involved, to me would were here in september. >> excellent. persuade the ministration to go i hope the senate sends us a slow rather than fast when it comes to admitting individuals who might not do us harm. bill so we can reconcile the
differences and get something to the president to sign. let them move to another y, i appreciate question. this is more of a domestic concern. the ministration has announced your opening remarks and that in the next month they were release a number of individuals your bureau is not seeking in federal prison. how many legislative issues regarding the going dark phenomenon. there is still a possession -- these are criminal aliens. perception that the fbi is still looking for a backdoor or front the total number door to encryption. we know that is technically not the department of justice lands to release pursuant to possible, if you allow the good guidelines adjustment, next guys to have access to the back door, then you can allow the bad month i'm told is about 2000. guys. >> how many of those individuals will be put into process to be removed? my question is when you have sec. johnson: a fair number. groups like isis using social does to increase efforts, let me stress, this is something we have been working on or about a year. that give us an opportunity to kick increased targeting of these groups? -- for about a year. the thing i had focused on, respect tomey: with those who are released and undocumented, that they are in >> thank you, congressman.
custody. i believe that process, because i don't think there is a single it. it is very complicated. i have checked numerous times, i resist the term back door. is in place and that is what i know it dominates the will occur. >> last time you would. conversation today but i don't know what the answer is and i the committee, i brought up the figure that the administration see lots of companies able to and de secure services is releasing close to 3000 people every year who have been in prison, been arrested, mostly they still comply with court orders. so people tell me it's convicted, and released them impossible? back into the communities. >> here is my question. a lot of folks, i've sat down you said that figure was going and talked with people in your organization about give me the to go down dramatically. i have heard that for a couple cases in which the case of years. actually went cold. even if you have people using a is the administration still releasing individuals into the device you may not get the they? being are plain text information but do you have the device and know put into removal procedures? that someone is using that and you johnson: as i'm sure the location of the device. so saying you can't target are aware, if someone is in terrorists and throwing certain immigration detention with a final order of removal, the law companies under the bus by says that we have to do a saying they're not cooperating six-month assessment, and if i don't think is an accurate portrayal of what is going on. >> i hope you didn't hear me repatriation is not imminent, throw anybody under the bus. we'll get you hundreds and there are only limited hundreds of cases but to me circumstances under which we can hold them. i have changed the process for that doesn't -- i think
everybody agrees the logic of deciding the circumstances under which that happens. encryption means all of our work will be severely affected we don't have the final numbers by it but i don't think that is i believe the the end of the conversation. the question is how much do we care about that and what can we do about it? number of those who have been we will demonstrate the cases where it affects criminal and released who are convicted of crimes has gone down from 30,000. national security work and i don't have the number yet, but intelligence work. >> i disagree a little bit with i'm told it has gone down. some of your opening remarks that there was a conflict in about 34,000. our values. our civil liberties are the was 30,000. things that make our country great and we can protect our civil liberties and digital >> i hope it is very far south. infrastructure and give our men and women working hard to keep us safe every single day the iq. to they need to continue -- thank you. >> i just want to state for the protect us. record that isis has been on i'm over my time. record saying they want to i look forward to working with you on this issue and the exploit the refugee process to private sector because this is infiltrate the west. something we can solve. i yield back. >> chair recognizes our first i take them at their word. female combat pilot. i would conscience -- cautioned >> thank you, mr. chairman, and, gentlemen, for your testimony and the hard work of the administration to proceed you and all of the men and carefully. women in your organization. i was on the task force, proud to be on the task force, and
the chair recognizes mr. lynch certainly very eye opening and gevin.n -- lan troubling but very important work for us to identify some of the challenges and loop holes which have been further i think that chairman for his discussed in your testimony today and look forward to working with you all to see how we can obviously close those leadership on this issue and the loop holes and increase our ranking member. security. mr. secretary, you have reference the recent breach of i want to specifically talk opm's networks and the role dhs about the recruitment of women and girls. we talked about we think of had in protecting agency networks. there's over 250 maybe americans who have been recruited, 2500 westerners. i understand the leadership at ignoring warnings a lot of the men being recruited to go over and fight but women and girls recruitd to go over and basically be from the inspector general, and subjected to sexual slavery. very different dynamic. i know the dhs can provide tools we've heard reports that the to assist agencies. women and the girls quite frankly can't leave in the same i have to ask at this point for an update. freedom as some of the men do. can you tell me with confidence do any of you have comments about, is there a different that other agencies will not dynamic there app then suffer the same reach? -- different efforts to counter breach? the violent extremism and director rasmussen: recruitment of women and girls? >> it is a very good question. director comey: i can tell you what we do know is isil does we are making rapid and
significant progress sec. prioritize trying to recruit and bring young women to the johnson: to make sure that does not happen. sec. johnson: the einstein that kale fate -- the caliphate. has a built -- ability to block they target some of their has about half the civilian government. messages directly to that community and adopt themes they think will resonate with i have directed my folks at dhs youpping women in western to make it available to 100% by europe and even here in the the end of this year and i united states. you'll probably remember not believe we are on track to do that. too long ago the "new york times" ran a very disturbing we have gotten agency heads, who series on the front page that by law, are responsible for described in very vivid detail some of the horrific experiences young women have their own cyber security, to een put through. issued athis issue, binding operational directive in and i was heartened to see that may pursuant to authority given to me by congress to do that, to becoming public. it can only help to have that exposed but is the "new york get agency heads to focus on have a veryand we times" the vehicle that reaches young women and explain how at risk they are if they respond aggressive plan for enhancing our diagnostics ability. to this call or the way i believe that awareness in director comey described the these agencies has been enhanced way they gravitate toward the positive ends of this message? significantly, including because i don't think the "new york times" is going to be the vehicle that helps us explain of the opm breach, and that we that and create the sense of
awareness that it is not the are on an aggressive timetable environment they're signing up for. to cross the federal government and ensure this kind of thing >> congresswoman i think a cannot happen, or the risk of it fundamental part of our efforts happening is significantly here in this country is a reduce. >> on the issue of finding message that has to be addressed to young women about operational directives, i want to know if this is pursuant to a the type of exploitation they congress says, how this would could be subjected to if they go to these places but i also work and what is the congress -- believe it includes a message to their parents as well. >> i agree. consequence if it is ignored by thank. 'vetting ent topic, the agency? sec. johnson: the way the authority works, that congress have the ability the refugees, we identified some challenges with the visa waiver program and making sure to go to each agency and say again we're keeping the country here are your vulnerabilities, safe, one of the elements, we you need to clean them up by a had a demonstration out of the certain date. university of my district, if you don't, they will be university of arizona related highlighted, and we will have to to detection, deception follow-up with you. >> highlighted, but what does detection technology. what we've learned in some of the briefings i've gotten is that mean? even with a face-to-face what is the consequence if they interview you often could be ignore your operations? wrong if someone is trying to sec. johnson: i'm working on deceive and there's been
decades of work done in recollection. it means a report to congress identifying through and a report to omb. neurological means and other things whether somebody is but i don't have the authority deceiving, whether that is in to sympathy do that job for -- online forums or in person. we did give a demo to some simply do that job for an agency individuals in your had myself to find them or organization. sanction them. i'd really like to follow up >> that's the frustration i have with that. i think these are some cheap been talking about for a long technologies we could deploy that helps in the vetting site time that i think you need that authority. for a lot of different dynamics here. do you still believe agencies i know some of your members should have primary were there but sometimes it is difficult bureaucratically to responsibility for their network defense? sec. johnson: i believe that move technology quickly. i'd like to follow up with all of you related to this agency directors, administrators deception detection technology themselves should be principally because i think it would be responsible for their own networks. help if you're open to it. i believe dhs should have the overall responsibility for the i ran a counterterrorism security of the federal organization in my last civilian.gov system, but it military assignment and we talked about foreign fighters should be on each agency had to and training and working with your organization, you know, we take responsibility for his or were watching thousands and her own network. >> i would tend to agree, you thousands of terrorists being chained in al shabab training should have more responsibility than that. camp and we had the authority but didn't really have the will as you know, one of my chief to do anything about it.
concerns is protection of we're all talking about isis critical infrastructure from cyber attack. right now but we have aqim, i think all of us on this aqat, al shabab. committee are aware of the threat that we face in certainly with the challenges of pulling out forces in yemen, cyberspace. limiting our intelligence. i'm curious about your take on just want some discussion on so we're not all focused the response of critical infrastructure owners and operators. in my experience, there has been a tendency to meet the minimum on isil but i just want your requirements, but to ask the government to incentivize any comments on addressing these measure taken beyond that. issues, and are there similar believe operators are issues we don't have the will to be addressing those? what are the challenges you're innovating in their defensive having with those threats? efforts, or are they just getting by? sec. johnson: i think it depends >> thank you for raising that on the size of the business and issue because as you saw in my the segment they are in. remarks i resist the idea that isil is the sole target right but i believe owners and operators of critical infrastructure are taking the now. certainly as i said in my threat more and more testimony the group has significantly because of the surpassed al qaeda in terms of information we are sharing with its prominence in leading a them about what we are seeing, global jihaddist movement but about some of the threats that in terms of the threat we face, had and directed to them. each of the groups you rattled believe there is increasing ff, congresswoman very, very
awareness and it is not just a dangerous, lethal, and minimalist approach. director komi, you referenced deserving of all of the resources and analysis we can bring to bear as a the steps fbi is taking. counterterrorism community. simply as a matter of work force management i've had to resist the pull, also, to surge i share your concerns. analysts in the direction of can you expand on this beyond working with tech companies to only working on isil related threats because of the array of address the problem directly and acknowledging you are not asking other places around the world where al qaeda, al qaeda for a legislative solution, what affiliate groups, and other extremist groups are are the other methods the fbi employees? potentially threatening us. director comey: thank you, thank you for raising that. >> great. thapings. congressman. my time is expired but i look when we face a needle that has forward to following up with gone invisible we have to lean your organizations on those threats as well. thank you. heavily on traditional law >> the chair recognizes -- enforcement technique, see if we can get a source posts of the >> thank you, mr. chairman, and person, undercover close to the person, see if physical all the witnesses for all you do to keep america safe. surveillance tells us something. i'd like to go back to the and obviously there are issue in syria that displaced shortcomings in those techniques, but we will not stop millions of folks' status around the world. obviously it is a humanitarian concern for all of us. trying to get the job done. i am certainly sympathetic to we will lean on things we have done for years. it will be inadequate but we the atrocities there and as will keep working on it. many members have mentioned >> thank you.
appreciate our country's this is an issue i have profound and long-time increasing concern about, going commitment to providing a place dark, and intel and law fleeing y to those enforcement ability to adequately see into the that facing -- the threats facing us. disastrous conflicts. i did want to drill down a >> i share that concern as well. little bit on the president's nnouncement a month ago of a the chair recognizes mr. rogers. rogers: mr. secretary, i 600% expansion in the number of syrian refugees allowed into this country going from about 1600 a year to a figure of at share the concerns outlined by isil usingbout least 10,000 as the president mentioned i think, secretary, you clarified that number people to sneak by doctors in. today. you described a thorough eating while humanitarian concerns are certainly warranted i know you would all agree with me that the president's action certainly raised from real security risks here at home. director comey you recently testified before the senate that while we do have a robust screening process here i think you did acknowledge at the same time there are some information gaps in our data bases that we
use to screen these individuals. is that correct? >> that's correct. >> okay. but again, i know you all agree that it's also vitally important that we understand who is coming into this country o the best of our ability. especially when we also know isis has expressed an interest and intent in using the refugee process to get in the united states. that's also a fact, isn't it, director? >> i think director rasmussen testified to that just a few minutes ago. >> so with that in mind, i think we all agree that the decisions be made on a humanitarian basis and also with national security in mind. each of you and your teams are full of extremely talented, capable, dedicated folks that can inform these decisions. so i want to find out the extent to which they were utilized. was the figure announced by the
president of 10,000 the product of a thorough analysis by your respective agencies? i'll start with you, secretary. >> the announcement of 10,000 was the product of considerable interagency discussion. my department and uscis was certainly consulted in arriving at that number. and it is as i think you noted very definitely striking a balance between what we know we can accomplish with the resources we have and not shutting our eyes and our doors to what is really a horrible world situation. and doing -- yes, we were consulted sir. >> thank you. director comey? >> that's my understanding as well. there was an interagency process run through the national security council and the f.b.i. was a participant in those conversations. >> okay. director rasmussen? >> the same as well.
>> thank you. director rasmussen, i want to talk to you a little bit. back in june we held a hearing at this committee called terrorism gone viral and it terrorist ined the attack in garland texas just utside of my district. and related to isis' use of social media. in our june hearing i tried to why nswers on the issue of isis has been so skillful in this area relative to other foreign terrorist organizes. i asked about whether or not it was due to better funding or whether it was certain individuals within the group. the responses i got were largely, well, the internet hadn't really developed when al qaeda was going. social media wasn't as pervasive until recently. but i think those responses ignored the fact that, you
know, at present our terrorist organizations certainly exist but it appears that isis still remains uniquely skilled in this area. so you gave some testimony recently in an exchange with senator johnson at the homeland security committee in the senate. i wanted to ask you a little bit about that. maybe it relates to -- i know there were reports in september that isis' social media activities seemed to ramp down following the death of jenna hussein but i guess i want to know your opinion. is isis unique in recruiting foreign fighters and inspiring lone wolf attackers? is that a product of some unique capability that they have? if not, are there other factors or what are the other factors that make isis so skillful in this area? >> i hesitate to use the word "unique" because the capabilities they are using to mobilize potential fighters or
terrorists, those aren't necessarily things that can't be transferred or adopted by other groups going forward. i think the innovation that isil as an organization undertook that differentiated it from al qaeda in a significant way was that isil truly did aspire to be a mass movement. in creating the caliphate the idea was to populate the caliphate with individuals from all around the world. al qaeda traditionally and typically operated as a clandestine terrorist movement where vetting processes and letting individuals into the group was a very serious business. and so you did not see al qaeda, i would argue they probably didn't have the tools to do this, but they were not seeking to create a mass organization capable of controlling territory the way iraq, in iraq and syria the way isil has. so i would hate to rule out, though, i hesitate to rule out that other terrorist organizations could not adopt the same kinds of skillful techniques that ice ill has.
>> thank you. i yield back. >> i was just informed from the members that director comey has a hard stop at 12:30 so just maybe take that into consideration. the chair recognizes mr. donovan. >> thank you, mr. chairman. gentlemen, may colleagues have articulated the incredible responsibility you all have in protecting our country from domestic, home grown radicalized individuals to people who are overseas who want to attack our country to fighting possible mass destruction of our country to one wolves, shooting up people worshiping in a church in the south. i just want to touch on something no one has touched on yet and that is the possibility of nuclear devices. director comey, your agents have done a remarkable job in thwarting smugglers from trying to equip isis with nuclear materials. recently one was reported and i think it was four others or
five others during the last few years. are we getting some assistance from some of the former soviet countries who also would be threatened by this and what other materials possibly should we be looking toward other than just nuclear devices that certainly i know there are other materials harmful to our country but what other materials are people like these, isis or al qaeda are the groups looking to use against our country? >> thank you, congressman. the answer is we get cooperation across the board on this because whatever people's political differences everybody understands the threat posed by radiological nuclear camera biothreats and so we have invested as a country and the f.b.i. in particular in building relationships with our yournt parts in a whole host of eastern european countries. the former soviet state there. so it is a good news story.
the challenge we all face is isil's mission is simply to kill a lot of people so they're not in love with any particular tool as long as it will kill people. so we focus on obviously the devices themselves but also radiological materials that might be used to terrify people or injure people with long-term radiologicalal illness. there is a broad spectrum there. we have folks in the f.b.i. and i know my partners here do who wake up every day focused just on this because we see the threat as low probability, huge impact. >> thank you. my other fellow new yorker, secretary johnson, yesterday congress passed a bill of mine to authorize securing the cities. a program started back in 2006, very successful in the new york-new jersey region, expanded to use in l.a., long beach area, d.c.
the efforts you're making because we're expanding do you have the resources to continue the success of that pro-fwram in the future because it has been remarkably successful in our area where you and director comey and i come from and the successes we've heard from my olleagues are just remarkable. [no audio] >> i'm sorry, mr. rasmussen, if you're not from new york i'm not going to ask you a question. my time is up. thank you. i yield the rest of my time. >> i thank you for that. the chair recognizes mr. richmond. >> first of all, let me thank
you, chairman, and the ranking member, and thank the witnesses job in very difficult very circumstances and time with ever changing technology i would hate to be in your job. but let me just ask and i know there's a lot of talk about a number of issues but i'll get a little local in my area because petro ve the largest chemical footprint in the united states in my district and we also have millions and millions of visitors that come. we also have the largest complex in the united states in my district. so as you all share intelligence and as you all go about protecting the homeland, how worried are you all about our chemical ity,
facilities security, our refinery security, and our ability to protect them? >> let me begin with that. new orleans is a confluence of things that we in homeland security are concerned about. as you've pointed out in your question, congressman. and given the -- and so it is rightly on our radar. given the nature of the threat we face, it's difficult to rank with any real degree of certainty where we should focus and where we should not focus. for example i think all of us would agree that prior to this summer we didn't have any particular reason to put chattanooga tennessee high on anybody's list. and so given the range of threats we face, we have to be vigilant in a bunch of different places, but certainly
port security, maritime security, and the other things that converge in new orleans are areas where i know many aspects of our department are ocused in. >> mr. comey? >> i don't think i have anything to add. we have a lot of focus work in your district. it is a big focus of our work. we face a wide array of threats ut try to focus resources on areas to make it harder for them. >> let's spend a quick second talking about the encryption and the back door. i guess my question and i guess -- if our tech companies create
e back door aren't there over-the-counter things that would allow people to encrypt it or are you all pretty confident you can access data rough any over-the-counter encryption? >> thank you for the question. as i said to congressman hurd earlier i resist the term back door because mostly i don't understand what it means. what we are looking for is a when in which ideally judges issue court orders to search a device or access commune cages companies are able to comply. today lots of the sophisticated internet providers are able to comply and some of the biggest e-mail providers in the world comply with our court orders. i actually don't think the problem is one of technology. i think it is one of business models. lots of companies have said we will never do this for the government. so that's the problem we have
to figure out how to solve. here is the bad news. commercially available strong encryption we cannot break so we find ourselves getting court orders from judges. we make a showing of probable cause, judge gives us permission for a limited period of time toint accept. we can't decrypt that data so we're out of luck and have to figure out our ways to try to make that gang case, kidnapping case, or terrorism case. >> thank you. i see my time is expired. >> this morning the daily caller reported the u.s. attorney for the eastern district of virginia has ndicted two senior managers, n.s.a. managers for willfully violating national security relations while allowing a visiting chinese foreign national to gain complete and unrestricted access to the center. if this wasn't troubling enough
the article reports that in the involving s case alleged espionage by a chinese national and now foreigners ve more not less access to nasa operations at present. before the case, all four nationals including green card holders could be monitored and restricted but now green card holders are treated like u.s. citizens with unrestricted access to all parts of the space research facility. it quotes a senior nasa official as saying, "if you have a green card, your allegiance may still be to china, but the green card gets you legal authority to work in the united states. therefore, we don't track them. they don't have any restrictions to transfer technology control plans. they're given access to the same exact way as a u.s.
citizen because they have a green card." of course i'd like to commend director comey and the f.b.i. for their role in pursuing this case over the last several years. but second, i'd like to ask the panel whether this is common practice that nonu.s. citizens holding green cards but with sworn allegiance to other countries have the same access and privileges as a u.s. citizen at nasa centers and other facilities that may be of interest to foreign intelligence services and if so why? >> i'm sure nick and jim have their own answers to this. i haven't read the particular article you're referring to. i've been in countless places in government buildings, sensitive areas where the sign says, u.s. citizens only.
who obviously have the requisite security clearances. i can't tell you the number of places i see that. it is fairly common. i don't know about the particular circumstances that you're referring to there. but i'll be happy to refer to my friends here. >> congressman, because the case is pending i am not going to comment on the case. i thank you for the kind words about our folks who worked hard on it. i think the issue with nasa is about access by foreigners to unclassified information. as secretary johnson said there is a whole regime that's very tight around what access foreigners might get to classified information. i think the issue there is when green card holders wander around a space that is not classified what of america's information can they see there? honestly i'm not smart enough on the issue right now to talk to you in this forum but it is something we have to get smarter about. >> sure. >> with respect to my
organization we operate in a highly classified environment and any foreign national or nonsecurity clearance holding individual would be required to be strictly escorted around our . cility >> do you think this committee should look at changing laws at these federal facilities or are you satisfied with what we have in place? >> i will answer with another that i don't know. again, with respect to unclassified information i don't know enough about the issue sitting here to offer you a view on it. >> i'd have to give the same answer, sir. >> again, because i've read only in the classified space, so it's difficult to answer in the unclassified. >> thank you all for your testimony. it was very helpful. >> thank you.
>> thank you, mr. chairman. i'm bringing up the rear here. first of all, thank you all for what you're doing to protect america. a very difficult time with it. it seems like every committee and i apologize, i wasn't here for all the questioning. i listened to the -- to your statements, but another committee hearing dealing with vulnerabilities of our power grid. so it seems like most of the committees i'm on is something dealing with security. the question, i want to go back to the refugee situation. i apologize if i'm redundant on some questions. i don't think they asked but the concern i have, yes. we're very humanitarian as a nation and i think we have some responsibility there. but our priority is securing this nation. and the people of this nation. and i've read reports that, of the syrian refugees, 72% of them are young males while 28% are women and children under the age of 11. the question i have for whoever has the information, to your
knowledge is that true? and if it's not, what is the break down? if it is, why is there such a disparity? >> congressman, i don't recall what the percentage breakdown is. i've heard a number but i don't recall what it is. i don't know the accuracy of that 72-28 number but we can certainly get you what we know. >> mr. rasmussen? >> i'm in the same position. >> it is very concerning to me with that response that we're considering bringing in refugees and we don't know that, what the breakdown of the percentage of these -- >> sitting here i don't know. it is a piece of data that we have. i just don't know it sitting here right now. >> okay. i appreciate the candor there. how are we going to monitor these folks? i mean, i've also read reports that al qaeda, isis have also said their intention is to exploit this refugee crisis and use that to infiltrate operatives into various
countries. how are we going to monitor these folks? do we have plans going forward? >> congressman, as we discussed previously, there is that concern. we know that organizations such as isil might like to try to exploit this program and it is for that reason that while we e going to do what we have committed to do for humanitarian reasons, you know, this is a worldwide crisis. we're talking about 10,000 people. i'm committed that we do it carefully and we vet these people as carefully as we can. live in a world where one failure is the equivalent of 10,000 successes. i think we're all committed with the improved process we have to do the best we can, deliberately as we can, with regard to each individual
applicant for refugee status here. >> do we have the resources to do this? are we already stretched thin and we're just going to be adding so much more to our vulnerabilities by going through this process? >> we are very busy. fy-15 rall commitment in was 75,000 worldwide. next year, this year, we've committed to taking in a little more. 85,000, 10,000 of which will be syrians. the director of uscis has developed a plan along with the state department to make sure we have adequate resources to vet these people. >> last question and i yield back and we all have other things that we need to be doing but this is very critical. are we -- do we have a system of priorityization? like we know certain religious groups, christians for example, are the most at risk in some of these areas. are we going to prioritize those that are greatest at risk
to allow them? i've read reports that some of the christian syrian refugees re having a difficult time coming to the u.s. and some other countries. is that true? >> i'd have to get back to you and take that one for the record ks sir. >> thank you for what you're doing. greatly concerned over where we're going with the refugee crisis and, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> if i can just add to that, it is unfortunate the gulf states have not agreed to take one syrian refugee. those are sunni arab populations. they certainly have the wherewithal. but in closing let me just say thank you to all three of you. and to the men and women in your organizations who every day wake up to protect americans from the threats that we face. and i think you've done an
extraordinary job stopping so many of these threats, many that we know about and some, many that the american people don't be about. the challenges are enormous. and the threats are grave. but on behalf of the congress let me just say thank you again for what you do day in and day out. with that, this committee tands adjourned. >> vice president joe biden today said he will not run for president and we'll hear next from him on c-span. then john boehner talks about the gop elections to be held next week. ater f.b.i. director james comey and homeland security secretary jey johnson testify about homeland security threats. >> c-span this week presents coverage of former secretary of state hillary clinton as she testifies wf the house select committee on benghazi.
live coverage begins thursday morning during "washington journal" with reporter interviews and early scenes from capitol hill. tune in to c-span 3 starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern for live hearing coverage plus your phone calls afterwards. c-span 2 will reair the benghazi hearing in its entirety starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. you can also watch our coverage saturday and sunday at noon eastern on c-span. joe biden said he is not entering the 2016 presidential race. vice president biden ended months of speculation that he would run for president a third time after unsuccessful bids in the 1988 and 2008 races. he made the announcement in the white house rose garden joined by his wife jill biden and president obama.