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in political magazine -- politico magazine. at a: 30, david mcintosh on conservatives in 2016. it is the washington journal. in new orleans, an appeals court blocked president obama's executive order on deportation. where thein misery president of the university of missouri has stepped down over his handling over incidents of racism after student and faculty protests and the decision by the upcoming football team to boycott an upcoming game. there were to get your thoughts on for the first 45 minutes.
the actions of the president, the students and faculty and the football team. here is how you can call us. pacificmountain and time zones. residents toery give your thoughts on the situation. outlet youal media can post on the twitter page. you can also post on the facebook page. send us an e-mail at journal at c-span.org. the university times gives a little bit of a description. it says the turmoil appears to stem from three incidents. in the first, the student government had said people in a pickup truck screamed a racial epithet at him and a month later
a group of drunken white students disrupted their gathering and is a racial slur and the third incident a swastika was found to drawn in feces. those are some of the events leading up to it but the wall street journal this smarting picks up the story saying that a strip -- saying that a turning point came when members of the football team said they would like a game against brigham university unless mr. wolf resigned or was fired. it would if cost the school one morning -- $1 million. range ofled by a issues from university cutbacks to help insurance and tuition waivers for graduate students to its relationship with paned -- planned parenthood according to faculty members. those it leading up to the organization yesterday with tim wall. with that in mind, we want to get your thoughts. here is how you can call and
give us your thoughts. central timed zones. if you live in the mountain and pacific time zones. residents, -- mediale of way social wise you can post your thoughts as well on the twitter page. facebook page it is facebook.com/c-span and you can send e-mail. louisiana with kevin in ruston, louisiana. what do you think about those events? >> i am really excited about it. historyafrican-american and i have been telling my students for three semesters that unity among the students can bring real change. scale, what we are
seeing in america is i think we are in the middle of a new civil rights or a rekindling of the civil rights movement and we need one. suffers fromstill racial discrimination especially at america's universities. also america's employers. african-americans have disproportionately been affected by joblessness and that is a problem built by systemic racism. oddink it is a little bit they had to get the football team involved but that was a pragmatic move on their part. have do you think it would gained the traction it did without the support of the football team? >> that is the big question. stakeis $1 million at
with the football team comes in. significant that football holds such sway over american society and american social concerns. that this is another african-americans that are displeased with the systemic racism that we still experience and people will band together and do something about it. host: that is kevin in louisiana giving his thoughts. you can give your thoughts. (202) 748-8000 for the eastern and central time zone. (202) 748-8001 for the mountain and pacific times of -- time zones. [video clip] repeat, notot, i the way that change should come
about. change comes from listening, learning, caring, and conversation. we have to respect each other enough to stop yelling at each other and start listening and to quit intimidating each other through our role or whatever means we decide to use. unfortunately, this has not happened and that is why i stand before you today, and i take full responsibility for this frustration and a full responsibility for the inaction that has occurred. from jared in blue springs, missouri. >> i want to comment on that last color, he was right on. one of the most disappointing things yesterday it was, i'm
sure the president is a good guy and he seems like a good guy for his resignation speech, but it was kind of disappointing because there is a guy not eating and he doesn't react and then i will lose $1 million. eating heguy not referred to was jonathan butler and this started a week ago in the sense that he is a grad student and went on a seven-day hunger strike and was greeted yesterday on campus and announced he would end that hunger strike. next inis up huntsville, louisiana. richard from louisiana. >> i'm from texas. in,d not intended to call
but i am a graduate of the university of missouri and the only thing i want to say to the students is, what you are experiencing now is very but what is going on now is not what is important. what is important is that you focus on education. that you think about a unique there arey to learn. many countries in this world where people do not have an option even to learn. without getting into the racial isues, what is important that the students build a future for themselves and the rest of veryhat involves some monday and things which includes going to class, studying which includes working to pay for part of your expenses if not all of
them and which includes maturing as an individual and risk -- and accepting responsibility. racial bringing in the issues, i think the students will look back and 30 years. they will remember what happened but what will be more important is what they did to develop themselves as individuals while in college. and what they will have done to contribute to society. host: rich is from kingsport, tennessee. caller: i apologize, i did not hear your opening so you may something about this, but i am still waiting to hear some additional examples of the systemic racism. the news reports that i had read to heard all referred
someone putting a swastika on a dorm door and a couple of people , andng, a drunken student to someone unidentified yelling something from a pickup truck, and that was about it. i was listening last night to a pbs's news hour and glenn was interviewing a student leader and a professor from the university, they both give general statements about ink treated as second-class citizens and -- but they never gave any examples and she didn't ask for any. i thought, how is this happening? i can't decide what position to take. everyone is against racism, but how is it manifesting itself? -- one of the demands the group was making was, the
president, tim walz, admit publicly to his white male privilege. that was part of the list of demands. this sort of thing, it just seems like extortion with the boycott, that is their privilege to do so with the athletes, and yet one wonders if alumni and others didn't put some pressure on the president to resign. we are still waiting for these egregious incidents that led to this action. did you play anything from the with of thet student cursing out the professor and telling him to shut up when he tried to respond over this halloween e-mail thing?
that was also part of the fallout. you know, when you have a shooting ike in ferguson, you understand that there is a lot of uproar, but these things that happen in society, they are not even connected. i'm not sure what the university president is supposed to do if some knucklehead in a pickup truck yells something that someone walking down the street. host: this group presented the demands of the collar referenced in one of them was the fact that tim wolf must acknowledge his white male privilege and recognize that these systems exist. asking for his removal and asking that the university meets the black collegiate demands from 1979 and that by the academic year, the university of
missouri increases black faculty and staff campuswide to 10%. the university itself putting out a list of steps they are taking saying a first ever inclusion and equity officer will be appointed. accountability and metrics will be established going forward. a review will be instated relating to staff and student conduct and additional support will be provided to students and staff who have experienced discrimination. there are other initiatives going on there as well. residents, asking you your thoughts on the university of missouri's president stepping down amid racial tensions. this is the first time i have heard anything about what
the demands of the students were ourt it just seems like, in society today, emotion is trumping fact. nothing is being said about the fact that this university president made it mandatory for racial-hour session of tolerance training. how many other universities have that? like, somebody once a perfect world. nobody can make the world perfect for a race or me or you, or anybody else. we all have our challenges so i don't like the emotion trumping in this and i don't
think it can lead to a good end >> john is in pennsylvania. go ahead. it isboy -- caller: interesting that in racial always call white in and say what the fellow from tennessee said or the fellow who just called said, you should have a forum for like a week on white privilege. people have never gone through being black or other minorities. fellow thatessee wants to find out about different instances of racism on campus, check with the hopping can post. there has been a article the last couple of days the countless times that people are treated less than admirable just
because of their race. you will get more calls this morning from white people that say, it is not my fault, or whatever their excuses are you they have been living with white riblets their whole lives, so they don't know what they are talking about. host: some are talking about the response to what happened, what do you think about those events? caller: i think it was great. it kind of began with the nba players refusing to play or where there jerseys. is about time that sports players come out because they are the most visible of all the nonwhite people in the united states and they have the most clout. kudo's to lebron james and the whole san diego team for that theetball move and kudos to
missouri team and their coach and the white players on that team. our next call is and in birmingham alabama. >> might comment is, i think non-action in a situation like this is very dangerous so i take my hat off to the people in missouri because they do have leverage with the money that comes in for the university at think it is very -- when you say non-action, you mean non-action by the administration? the students. buy them not taking action, it is dangerous in any situation. when you see stuff like this going on and don't take action that is worse than any kind of
action you can take because racism anywhere is injustice. that is been from alabama. the republican senator roy blunt who says racism has no place in our society. that campuse leadership and the university of missouri system will have an open and meaningful dialogue that will become an example for the campuses, state and the country. and claire mccaskill says that now it is time for hard work and healing. virginia.woodbridge, thinking is people should not jump to a hasty conclusion. we don't know the facts. people say the president should not have resigned -- nobody knows exactly why he resigned.
ongoing thing and it has been very difficult. a lot of people when you complain about raising them, especially white folks than a believe it. that is very hard. i have to tell police i am a nurse driving in the night to see a client or patient. that is very sad. i don't know how many times i and the soonpped as they east he might stethoscope sao you're a nurse, i will let you go. for that alone they leave me alone. racism is real. >> the columnist for the st. louis times dispatch writing about the incident.
he writes about the football team in a column from three hours ago that was posted saying these young men started off something big and kick -- picked off a lot of people in the process. but the campus climate could change in the coming decades because of the football team. it would've been nice if they had actually won some winnable games but that is still a powerful legacy and the best thing for this movement was the fact that this team was not good this season. have four wins so they have the possibility to risk this. >> will hear about the possibility of missouri. they are overlooking misery. remember the missouri compromise?
host: surely up next in pennsylvania. caller: good morning, and thank you for taking my call. is, nobodyed to say knows what transpired on this campus and it is a dirty shame that we have to have all this confusion all the time. confusion and i blame the media. you need to step back and let the people handle their problems. this goes on everywhere and you can see they have done that and that happened everywhere.
with the white people, and it happens with them, too. they go to the magistrate and they try to get the albums ironed out. in the media and the news people and have all of this rigmarole and notoriety and running in the streets. we are tired of it. everybody needs to act civilized and do what they are supposed to do. >> that's what the problems are all about. strength to raise will see and everybody it. we are tired of it. host: we will continue on with these calls.
the university of missouri president resigning over racial tensions. we want to remind you that there is a debate of presidential candidates. the fox business network will air that debate. ,oining us to set up the debate the chief politico correspondent. we start off with who has the most to gain and who is the most to lose. >> let me tell you, it is really a critical debate. i would say that the folks with the most to gain and it is constructive to look at the debate now. the maximum was 15 or 16 candidates. much down toe very four leading candidates and the outsidersthe two donald trump and ben carson clearly have the most to lose.
out ofeally cannot break the 22% range. and ben carson has had a really dreadful week area a lot of questions about inconsistencies in his biographical sketches of himself. those who have the most to gain art marco rubio, the senator who has risen quite substantially now in the low double digits just outside contention in terms of those front runners and the one with the most to gain is ted cruz. he is the tea party senator from texas who has been racing money at a prodigious clip and i see the cruise potentially as someone who will make the most noise. >> when it comes to format, what format will the fox business approach take and what should we
will we seer as -- things that we saw emerge from the cnbc debate? folkr: the fox business have said with ample reason they don't want to repeat the kind of debacle they had it cnbc. the candidates have really made hay of the media being against them. strategy 101 in terms of republican and democratic candidates blaming the media for everything. but it wasn't nearly poorly there was abate, lot of ungoverned back-and-forth and what we are told in terms of the structure of this debate is twofold. it will be a more tightly controlled debate with more substantive questions and more importantly, each person will seconds to rebut negative information presented against them. that is more than double what
was available at the cnbc debate. >> as far as the content, will it strictly the business and economic related questions or will it venture into other themes? as a cnbc debate it will be centered around economics but it will veer into other areas. >> i think if there was an insurrection in the carson and trump representatives who wanted to grab control of the debate. storiesve been a lot of some of them from politico and i think we will see here if carson is grilled on those things are let off the hook it >> he is the chief political correspondent talking about that debate in milwaukee which starts at 9:00. thank you. your calls. we will start with john in pompano beach, florida.
caller: just what to say something about c-span. i know you have like these questions that show the ugliness in humanity you don't put democrat or republican and just let people say who they are because a lot of times you don't see just the ugliness of a certain party. said, what a lot of these guys call in trying to implicationnd of that these people at the university -- they are dependent or troublemakers, but this has been going on for a while. they have been addressing this issue in that college for a while. they were sleeping on campus.
because the president of the university decided to play it easy and not really take it seriously that is what led to all of this. they didn't jump up and say i problemsause all these no, they are tired of the crime. they finally got smart and they say let's cut back the money because trying to work it out and talk it out, a lot of lip service, that was important. you attack the money and now what happens? these aggressive taxes will be put in to make sure it is a safe environment for everybody to learn. that's what it is all about. i know which side it is, stop calling and making it like there
is no serious issue. there was a whole bunch of whites and educators involved, too. host: do you think the offense with the students and how they organized this will play itself out in other campuses as well? seen,: that remains to be but i think what they are doing is taking the playbook from martin luther king he will take which is what change when the law wouldn't change, that is what changed blacks sitting in the front of the bus. they attacked the pockets. and i think that black people as a whole are going to start going back and attacking the pockets of people who support and corporations who support discrimination and racism.
that is the way we have to go. these politicians are not listening to us because they are locked in on their ideology and throwing red meat at their party. host: we will hear from james. caller: i agree with that gentleman 100%. as soon as they attack the money they stop the foolishness. that's what racism is all about. they told the it got so bad that they almost brought them back the 60's. in the caller before him was wrong. enough is enough. now, i will tell you something. republicans are off key. they are so divided. presidentspect the
their dividing them and we have to come together. not black america or white america the united states of america. president barack obama made that statement. i will put something out there in the air. hillary,ll know if gave barackn's wife obama $10,000 because he came to visit the white house before he went to college? and ronald reagan said if you work hard you can have my job. though students are tired of the mess going on. housewas the white spokesperson who asked about events at the university of missouri giving his thoughts as well. >> i haven't spoken to the
president about this new story but i did read quite a bit about it over the week and myself. missouri is my home state. campus manysly a times and i have many friends who attended there. the people in missouri are justifiably proud about education that institution of higher learning. >> and that is there is the people in missouri take great pride in the institution and the receipt of missouri. >> i think what is notable about many of the events that we saw over the weekend is we the way that with this campus has really rallied together in support of student that every admitted to the university of missouri as a place on that campus and in that community. that commitment to unity, equality, and justice is one missouri, ande of
that whole community can be proud of. result,don't get that the result of every student on campus feeling like they have a place by hoping that it will happen. it requires work and painstaking effort. i think what we have seen is a commitment on the part of so many members of the community to pursue that goal. the washington times has its lead story. their lead story deals with the presidential executive action on deportation and a recent ruling on that saying that president obama's effort to grant up to 5 million illegal immigrants work blowts suffered a major late monday when a federal appeals court ruled it was
likely illegal. in the decision by the fifth circuit court of appeals, they instantly forced the issue to the four of the presidential campaigns were all three top democratic candidates that only insisted that his actions were legal but went beyond to try to expand the amnesty to more migrants. it is a huge win for texas and 25 other states that sued a year ago after they said they would no longer wait for congress to pass the legislation he wanted and announced he would change the way on his own and you can read the rest in the washington times. let's go back to nick from el paso, texas. i am from texas and i am roman catholic. my wife is from illinois and she is jewish. swastika, that a is what i think of. attend the i both synagogue and church. the swastika drawn on the
building i take it is anti-semitic as my wife does and i take it personally. i don't know what these kids were protesting. have universities encouraged this political correct climate can't -- on campus another eating their own. those twovideo of yield professors being shouted down for a halloween costume. brought thisberals on and now they are eating their own. pedro, that color was right. indeed there is some ugliness of humanity showing up with these students who think they run the
new -- university. the president and the board of visitors had a chance to turn it around and they wimped out. they should've told those people to get off campus and shutdown the football program and said maybe we all you $1 million and maybe it was a force majeure, but this was something we had to do to make sure people knew that we give our people here and education and we don't let students dictate to us how we will run our school. fake hate crimes notwithstanding, halloween costumes that yield notwithstanding, it is got out of control and the taxpayer money is going to the political correctness whole when they keep these administration letting students and faculty do anything that they please. host: the debate over who will be the louisiana governor takes place tonight between david better and john edwards. the associated press saying that
he saw to draw policy contrast with his democratic opponent and the two meant face-off for the contract. he told the crowd in the press club monday that he and john bell edwards have starkly different political philosophies and he described edwards is a againstand will work louisiana business interests. members of both parties operate from the center of the political spectrum suggesting that he was divisive and edwards described himself as someone who would unite the people of louisiana again. that is a debate you can see live on c-span. you can watch the gubernatorial debate out of louisiana and if you want more information on that debate you can see it on c-span.org. in pompano beach, florida. caller: good morning.
my comment is to all of the so-called black people. can you black people stop calling yourselves black. pen you have in your skin -- hand is black. your skin is brown. please stop it. host: what do you think about the events at the university of zurich specifically. thatr: i want to tell brown kids that i am so proud of you guys. it iso proud of you guys. just pathetic and stand up for your rights because that mighty power that sits in the east, you are brown and of beautiful israelite tribe, you are beautiful people and let me tell you something, do not be afraid
for that mighty power that sits in the east is your protection. patrick, go ahead talking about the events of the university of missouri. >> i have been following it very at the you have to look source of the issue here. we are hearing hamming and hawing on both sides. this is experimental desegregation. we are seeing what happens when blacks and whites are forced to mix. way these blacks, so-called african-americans who are black and brown have a separate university that when they don't have to put up the white people. it is an attempt to raise the black nation up that stomps their feet to get what they want and then they got a white guy fired for no reason. i hope he finds another job.
and i feel sorry for the white students at the college, i would not want to attend school with these type of people. host: if you go to the pages of the washington post, that fraternity that was profiled in a piece taking a look at it there. this is reship era sing the fraternity file the $25 million lawsuit monday against rolling stone which published an article that alleged a freshman was gang raped and a house in the party. campus a rape on detailing an attack on a freshman in jackie. how shecle described was raped by two other men while two others watched in the article alleged that it was part of a hazing ritual and the washington post found significant discrepancies including that the fraternity did not host a party that night.
robert from montrose, new jersey, you are on. missouri,issue with what i think is interesting is, these kids were there on a football scholarship in their contract is to play football and the sec, if they didn't put a team on the field, it was a million-dollar fine because of broadcast contract obligations. what we should do is, colleges about academics. have academic scholarships and give points for those kids that are blessed and can play sports. but you are there to learn and not just plate football. and sad to say if you look at do go on with scholarships in sports they do in fare well in the word -- the world afterward unless they go to a major-league team but
thank you very much and god bless our country. >> we will hear now from pamela in florida. >> yeah just i want to say that first of all, that one guy who swastikas ok to put out there that somehow that didn't have to do with racism, i don't understand that at all. all, unless we say , we will takegh this madness not only into schools but all the county governments. if the mayor decides that having institutional racism is ok you have it very between black hiring and employment and white hiring, that person needs to be fired. our properties and our federal taxes pay for these things.
discriminateing to than we need to hold you accountable and we need to take that to all of the areas, because until we do, we will never have any kind of -- black people in this country will always be impoverished. for anybody who says they don't know that racism still exists, that is a racist. only a racist would be that indifferent to what is going on. if you don't know that racism still exists in this year that's because you are racist and we need to call you out as being that and that is my comment. bless your heart young lady from florida. i know there are plenty of people on this earth ready to fight racism. the man,ssouri, if whatever his position was, if he
wanted to do something he would of stayed. apparently racism is so harsh and stronger just knocks you out. it's kind of like the collar you are a racist calling her because of what her comments were. that is a prime example of what is wrong. when the president became president that scab came off and it is full open and we will close it. it is like white people calling up and asking the slave in the cotton fields, what are you so mad about. that is what these calls remind me of. we will get rid of racism because it is the most fungi that theresickness is and we will get rid of it when college and a time. ted cruz and huckabee and bobby jindal went to an evangelist meeting and it was kill the gays. that is what they talked about. that is discussing and that is racism.
we will fight it and we will win. host: mary will finish off these calls we are taking this morning. coming up, two guests are joining us. we will first discuss money in politics with tim roemer. we will talk to the influence of money in campaigns. to dave we will talk mcintosh and the conservative republican agenda. usa today and others highlighting a meeting at the white house and benjamin netanyahu talking about issues at that meeting between the tubing gentlemen it was their first face-to-face meeting since the iran nuclear deal was finalized and here is a portion of statements that they made to the press just before their private meeting.
>> it is no secret that the prime minister and i have had a strong disagreement on this narrow issue but we don't have a disagreement on making sure it iran does not get a nuclear weapon or the importance of us wanting to limit the destabilizing activities any run that may be taking place's would want to make sure we find common ground of their. and we will also discuss some of the concerns that both of us have around violence in palestinian territories. i want to be very clear that we condemn in the strongest terms palestinian violence against innocent israelis citizens and i want to repeat once again that it is my strong belief that israel has not just the right, but the obligation to protect itself. >> thank you for this
opportunity to strengthen our friendship which is strong. think it is rooted in shared interests.shared it is driven forward by a sense of a shared destiny. today inviously tested the instability and insecurity and the middle east as you described it and i think everybody can see it. and aggression and terror the combination of turbulence that is now displayed with millions of people butchered hundreds of thousands and we don't know what will transpire. and i think this is a tremendously important opportunity to work together to see how we can defend ourselves against this aggression in this terror and how we can roll it
back. .t is a daunting task host: joining us now is tim roemer who served as a representative in indiana from 1991 to 2003 and is now the strategic advisor joining us this morning to talk about money in politics. could you tell us a little bit about issue one. >> we are not for profit and are very concerned about the growing issue of money in our political is something that i think your viewers know very well to it seems like most of america knows that there is a big problem with .26% of americans about two thirds of the elections getting too big of an influence on our legislators and there is a lot of good movement across the country from the common sense of the people with ballot initiatives in seattle and maine to clean up and yet here in
washington, the most powerful place in the world seems to be insulated from it. and pedro, i think what is happening with the influence in politics is that we have formed a stork group of over 100 republicans and democrats, former members of the house and senate and governor's to take back our government to say with the american people to washington to the capital right that seems to be disconnected and dysfunctional from this, we need our democracy back. we need the middle class and we need the poor of this country and the voices heard from everybody, not just those with access to money. reformersand the caucus, this group of 100 former legislators working to restore our trust in democracy and what has happened, pedro, what
happens is catastrophic. we are at a tipping point. when people lose trust in their government, they tend to vote less, they tend to believe that our great capital that is the place to represent the people, they not only don't vote, they don't believe in our institutions of government. they don't want to participate in those institutions, and this great democracy that jefferson, lincoln and our founding fathers talked about which was a beacon to the rest of the world, when i served in india and when i travel around the world today, people are starting to look at us and say, what is wrong in america? greaten't you guys the voice of democracy that you have always been. you are the inspiration. take back the government. how: give a for instance of
big money has skewed to you can go back to the previous campaign cycle. former member of congress, i was blessed to represent my hometown and night ran against a republican incumbent in 1990 and i got outspent three to one and i still won. it wasn't just about the amount of money you could raise, it was about your ideas. it was about knocking on doors in getting people involved. it was about how hard you worked and hopefully your integrity and your ideas. today, it is about money. money is not only determining who wins, it is determining who runs and who can even get in the race. more and more, that didn't ask minorities, women, the poor.
those folks are stunning to say i cannot even run for congress because i don't know millionaires or donors. the politicalto system yet we are seeing some good changes. are seeing this rising up and percolating across america that states and local governments are saying enough is enough we need and werency, disclosure need to do something about the citizens united. we want our legislators here to do something, too. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. independents (202) 748-8002. give your thoughts on twitter. money in politics for campaign to 16 is our topic. tim roemer is our guest. and congressample
is you only have so much time in a day and these folks in washington are hard-working people, honest, tenacious and one to represent their constituents and yet they are spending more and more of their time raising money. we say and member of congress might spend 40% or 50% of their time on the phone at democratic or republican headquarters raising money. why is that not good? they are not spending time with their constituents and may not spend time in committee hearings and may not help us solve problems whether it be climate change syria, terrorism, balancing the budget, whether you are liberal or conservative, this money interest issue works against all of us. we all pay a price for this. if people are spending 50% to 60% of their time raising money,
and who are they talking to? they are not talking to the middle class or the poor, they are talking to the big check writers and also about their own selfish interests. that really skews our democracy. we need legislators working for a system that represents all people. host: what is the most practical way to even that out? issueswe have a lot of -- solutions with issue one. what is transparency and disclosure. whenever there is a contribution, you have to disclose it immediately. be super pac black money for secret money coming into campaigns at the last minute, nobody knows where it is coming from or who is funding it. that ways theey governor's race or merrill race at the last minute and secondly
we are for enforcement with teeth and power. today is divided 3-3 between democrats and republicans. we need to reform that body so it has teeth and enforcement mechanism so if somebody breaks the lot they will pay a price for it and they will go to jail and we will have election laws that work and represent all the people. and we need new jurisprudence and legal action. we need buckley versus valeo and citizens united overturned. money is not speech, money is our party and it should not be equated with the freedom of speech. i think that if congress would pass a law to define and regulate money, maybe then the supreme court would weigh in and maybe even without a new justice they may overturn the flawed weisions of the past and
need to disconnect and cut the cord of lobbying with giving money and politics directly. >> we are people lined up to talk to you. >> will start with tom and texas, republican line, go ahead. c-span, i justg wanted to say that every year, only a tiny fraction of the oney spent campaigning campaigns is spent on republicans and democrats because you have these leftist pbs, cb -- like abc, cbs spending billions of dollars every year campaigning on behalf of democrats attacking republican so your guest said that money is not speech. support strictl limits on the amount of money cbs, pbs, nprnbc,
every year to produce their products pay their employees and pay their expenses every year, is that correct? guest: tom asked say good question within that. but we are a nonpartisan organization. we want to get spending whether it is a leftist organization or a right-wing organization. we want a system that represents all of american so they all have a voice. sweater that money is being raised and spent by a secret left-wing pack or a right-wing pack, we have democrats and republicans coming together with for thosemer's caucus of you following this back home and across the country. care what kind of partisan organization is raising the money, we are equal opportunity reformer.
want them all to be under the same rules left and right, democrats and republicans with a big donor on the left and the right and they should all disclose and have immediate transparency, they should all be limited by new jurisprudence and overturning the clay versus valeo.- buckley versus flawed that was a decision that needs to be overturned. host: from bill in sebastian, florida. independent line. ifler: i would like to know your alliance will do anything about tpp. it will kill the middle class here in america. some of these governments that we will be dealing with our on
the shady side. alabama and the voting suppression, what they have done with the motor vehicle bureaus. spending specialized -- to these, or any others? the first point, tpp, the transpacific partnership, which president obama has been advocating, whether you are democrat or republican, the presidential race, i hope, will how we create an infrastructure in america to create more jobs so the middle class, the working poor, the people who lost jobs have opportunities again. i come from the heart of the
midwest. many fracturing created -- manufacturing created all kinds of jobs. we need an america that really supports the private sector, the public sector, research and development, state and private business sectors that will do thanks to create jobs. i hope we hear more about that at the republican debate tonight. i know hillary clinton, and others are talking about how to work and create those jobs, and how to engage in the trading system in the world. about spending and voter repression, i think part of the reason why people are not voting is because they feel like no one cares about their voice. their voice cannot be heard with this influx of money anyway. it is the people writing the $100,000 and $1 million
checks that are drowning out everyone else. talking about ways to increase loading turnout, respect for dream for ahe democracy the ahead as a kid to run for an office one day, and winning. we did. i was lucky. we want to support issue one and the performers caucus. you talk about the presence of campaign. donald trump is self funding his campaign. what you think about that approach? he is not taking money from anybody. guest: i think he has said some very positive things about campaign finance reform. money gets you access. he has given examples of getting money in the past influencing legislators and people in congress. that should not be the case. that should not dominate people 's time.people
people trying to raise that money and not in their oversight jobs, not in their committees -- when you are democratic or republican, you are concerned about jobs, guns, climate change, or balance budgets. this money, special interest, dominating politics hurts everybody's agenda left and right. it paralyzes the system and causes people to not believe in it. host: carl is up next from michigan for our guest. .aller: hi c-span, i'm a big fan. i want to tell you, at the outset, your landmark cases series is fantastic. every patient taking a chance to watch that. mr. roemer, citizens united has bothered me since it happened. however, the free speech battle
of it, i don't know if i can really argue that much. congress could pass a law to cap contributions. talking about donald trump spending his own money, maybe a lot of people will tune into that, but that says that says the only rich people can run for office. also, i've been following this for a week or so, the reports about 150 families -- what was the percent of the money donated? .26% of americans donating two thirds of the money to congress, and over half of the money for presidential elections. caller: we're talking about 60% plus being donated by approximately 150 families? guest: that is correct. caller: that is the worst part. to me, these people have this kind of money, they are not paying enough taxes. guest: directly to your point, it is a very good point. plus, i agree with you on
complimenting pedro and the good work that c-span is doing. it has to come back to buckley vallejo.l citizens united was a terribly flawed decision, but buckley equatedted money to -- money to speech. you are absolutely right that we have to do something about limiting expenditures. there were laws that worked prior to 1972. i know, i have talked to my colleagues that limited campaign expenditures at the campaign level. ,hey ran for election, they won they lost. it was a fair assessment of their skills and strengths. we can do it. it has worked in this country
before. they have limitations and places like great britain and canada about the time that you can run and the money that can be spent in democracies. then, to your point about donald trump, i also agree with you that even though donald trump may be saying some good things about the influence of money in campaigns and he is self funding, he is not relying so , the facter pac's that he is unbelievably wealthy wed can self fund -- cannot afford to have our congress made up of millionaires and people who can run. this process of evolving through the 1990's and 2000s, people started going to recruit candidates not based on howr ideas, not based on are they going to help america, not based on their patriotism, but based on how much money they
could raise, if they were rich and could sell fund, if they had .ccess to a donor list we have to get that back. i think people like you across the country, we see people across the country recognizing this. we need people going out there and asking the presidential campaigns, what are you going to do about money in our elections? how are you going to solve this? how are going to make a difference. host: from new jersey. caller: good morning. what i would like to say is in pp, those are the ones who send the jobs overseas.
when we funded wall street, we had to do it because if we didn't, a lot of people would lose their 401(k)s. now, in terms of our economy, our economy is back because the american public has become so disconnected. we have a president of the united states who happens to be black. we happen to be blinded not to know why his programs are not going through. there are good programs. we have an industry that has been floundering for years. what we need to do is rebuild our infrastructure, our roads and bridges, using american steel and hiring the middle-class. it would pay taxes, they would pay into social security. lastly, we need to change our tax code. of the money to the state, and 10% to the
federal government, and 2% to the city, we will have enough money to do what we have to do. we just have to change the rate. you pay into social security, but you don't pay federal taxes. if we do that, this country would be revised. everybody would be happy, and the millionaires and billionaires cannot complain. host: we will let the guests respond. guest: i might vote for her for president. that was a good platform. i remember when president obama took office. i flew with him to my district where we had about a 19% unemployment rate. today, through the work of the president, the private sector, the midwest, the states have been working hard on this, now we have 5% unemployment.
we still have too many people underemployed, too many people not with the wage income they should be making. those wages have come down too fast and too far, but back to the caller's point, and back to the agenda that issue one or the reformers would support, how do we get congress paying attention to that very eloquent agenda? qualityle-class, the and justice and democracy, jobs, infrastructure. that is a middle-class and pro-america agenda. the bigep seeing money coming into the campaign .26% givinge point t money to congress, i'm not sure
they are the same -- their agenda is the same as the caller's. what convince you that that agenda is different than that of say the owner in any americans? guest: i get the feeling that when you talk to these reformers , we have over 100 of them who have signed up, and you get these confessionals where people talk about the influence of money and campaigns. some of them will tell anecdotal stories about the pentagon, for instance, and weapon systems that should be canceled, our antiquated -- are antiquated, do not protect our country. cut to be shinseki him and -- contributions that comment made y sustain something that
wa would otherwise go on the back burner. they may have a brand-new idea on climate change -- instead of being in that committee hearing, .26%are raising money from . that agenda may be very different from what we just heard from the caller. host: a view or on twitter says, what do we do about loving -- lobbying? guest: she makes a good point. caucusve the reformer believes the constitution awards you a profession. lobbying serves an important service to congress, however, the big disconnect here is
lobbying and giving money directly to legislators. we should try to cut that connection. we have seen success on doing that very thing. in south carolina, they have and lobbiedobbyists the state legislator from giving to a candidate. that kind of legislative activity, that ban on the connection has been held up by the south carolina supreme court. you've seen the law goes through, the supreme court , and to the twitter question, that is something the reformers caucus would be in favor of. caller: thank you.
question.ple mentioned a few times now the ruling on citizens united. you have yet to bring up what about all the years the union backed the democrats? t supergot the bigges pac, the mainstream media. look at all the free advertising the democratic policies get. , if you bring down businesses' taxes, they will stay here and give jobs. you speak about the koch brothers all the time, what about george soros? guest: i think that is a fair
point. the reformers, a group of bipartisan democrats and republicans, we do not care if republicans or george soros, we need to do something about too much money in our political system. we need to restore the dream of democracy in our country, and get this under control. point, we going after everybody and anybody, treating them all the same. callers also to your point, we have heard this a couple different times, your callers keep saying over and over again, and i completely agree with them that the .iddle-class is getting a shaft we need a middle-class agenda in
congress. we need to build on what president obama has done, creating jobs with the private sector, restoring the dream of laddertter of -- of progress. a way to make sure that higher education is affordable. trying to make sure that that mentioned your caller is not stuck overseas, taking our jobs away from americans. that middle-class agenda, which should be passed through congress, but isn't, is probably being prevented partially from helping the corporations keep that money overseas. we need to bring that money back home to build factories and create jobs. host: jerry, baltimore, maryland, go ahead.
caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. that youke the fact expunge going after both parties. i have a simple, maybe naive, way of attacking it. tax it. any contribution over $500 gets taxed. a progressive tax on all political contributions. .specially on the super pac a more aggressive, and i call some, tax on all money. taxes --m not a fan of on raising taxes that would impact, especially the .iddle-class and the poor
you are not doing anything about self-funded candidates that can still be willing to pay those taxes on anything over $500. people can still flood the system with not just thousand dollars contributions, but million-dollar constitutions that no one knows where they are coming from. that issue solution one at a bipartisan group of republicans and democrats have come up with is a better way to do it and get out all the different ways that is coming in. overturning buckley versus vallejo, and citizens united. a disconnect between lobbyists giving my directly to legislators, and enforce them
that gets in the flood of money from all different directions. i wish i had a silver bullet for you. i wish i could just say, here is one answer. even the constitutional amendment, which i would support , and think might eventually get passis, if congress would a law, and the supreme court would have to decide on that, that woul could be the deal that overturns buckley versus citizens united. host: how far would it bring it down? guest: you have congress that could pass a law and forced the supreme court to decide on it. you have presidential candidates the i hope will here, for instance tonight, i hope we will trump,n carson or donald or marco rubio, or john kasich, or somebody talk specifically about what they would do in the white house to do something about this flood of money and
taking interests, and in away the dream of democracy. do they support immediate disclosure? with a support supreme court justices that would overturn buckley versus vallejo and citizens united? we have had some candidates already say they would interview a potential supreme court nominee and asked him specifically about this question. that is extraordinary. all the time you hear presidential candidate say there should not be a litmus test, yet, this time, we are hearing people started to say, this is so important to the health of democracy and the beacon of our hope to other countries internationally, when we go to china, and we talk about human rights and democracy, we don't want to defend the system that is flooded with big money. we want to talk about how this works for everybody -- the poor, the middle class, the jobless
person, the person with the 12 great education, the rich, the wall street people. it should work for everybody, and not be skewed for people who can pay. host: in that case, it would be the legislator? as well money interests as raising money. isn't it hard to walk away from that kind of money? was not to raise money. my job was to legislate and listen, and be a commonsense , andn for my middle-class the people i grew up with in my hometown. i thought about the people i went to high school with, people who lost a job. to some of your callers very poignant and good questions this morning, i remember a plant 1993, and 1992 or
somebody lost their job, and they committed suicide. that job meant everything to them. that was their dignity. that was their way to say to their kids, i'm somebody important, i help provide for this family. this middle-class agenda, and this job creation agenda that we need to get back to so that this country continues to be the and propelledracy forward if we want to do something about money and her politics. tim roemer, of issue one, also former representative of indiana joining us to talk about politics. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. .202) 745-8002 for independents
here comes mark from massachusetts. caller: a beautiful good morning, gentlemen. i agree with a lot of what mr. roemer, has been saying. this citizens united decision and they'll in the coffin? like i said, i agree with you. i will let you comment on that a second. , isaking contributions be,inuating that it is a brid or the politicians are some help indebted to the people who have given them money? tpp, youabout the have covered so much ground in the past half-hour, it is hard to keep track. guest: i don't know if that
is a compliment or an insult, but we have covered a lot of ground. caller: about the tpp, isn't the i grew upree trade -- in a manufacturing area too, and there is a reason why we have lost these jobs. people don't want to make i amrts, to use that, what familiar with. guest: great questions. let me try to get to all of them and remember all of them. the citizens united decision, i agree with you, a terrible decision. it builds on buckley versus vallejo. both need to be overturned. i think buckley is even more important.
you used the term, "mel in the nail in the coffin." i think that is why you have seen this group of democrats and , people around the country representing 40 of the , we have to do something about that today, now, we have to get washington, d.c., the beltway people, paying attention to this. 80% of republicans think the system is broken and dysfunctional and needs to be either entirely broken down and th democratsof think that. back to the decision of buckley and united, we have also heard
supreme court justices start to deal, this is not working. maybe even short of a new justice who can help us overturn buckley and united, maybe they would revisit it because they recognize now, even with this , itrent court recognizes this is creating almost the death of democracy. i don't want to overstate it, but we are in a crisis here. secondly, a bribe -- that is a strong term, but it is getting close to the heart of the matter. when you only have so much time in a day as a legislator or presidential candidate -- for instance, i would love to hear one of the moderators tonight say to marco rubio, or when the democrats are there, bernie sanders, or whoever, how much
time every day do you spend raising money? how much a week? how much in the last month? those questions have to be asked . when you are spending all your time with those people, it is , if thatch a bribe is all you are listening to, you are not listening to the middle class, people working in the products toreating build a strong america, where we ,an export to other markets where we compete based on the best product, as we have always done. that is how we will get ahead. that comes to your last point of
manufacturing. i hope we see these presidential candidates in congress, with a plan to restore congress. ceo's that were actually saying they would bring jobs back home based on the climate because wages are going up overseas, trade is more productss, the overseas are not as good as they are in america. they just need the incentive to do it. let's get an agenda that will help businesses decide to do that, and penalize them for taking their tax breaks abroad. host: this is richard for our guest. caller: how are you? thank you for your service. i think this is excellent, what you and your group is doing.
i just had a quick question on planned parenthood. my wife just got a letter along with a pledge form. it said youe form, could mark off $50, $100, etc. planned by pledging to parenthood, you are helping millions of americans with health care, and this money will be used for the coming election to get rid of extremists. that troubled me. attachingave richards a letter as to why the fund should be given to planned parenthood, and why the extremists should be eliminated. when i heard in congress, when there, all the
criticizingwere planned parenthood. my question is, how would you approach a group like planned parenthood sending all these letters to support the group in the name of women's health, but to promote and lobby for their candidates? richards question is much bigger and broader than the specific example he gives. when is a question -- first ran in 1990, i knew what my opponent would and get on tvd
because they were pretty good disclosure laws at that point. we had a record of what he had raised for the previous five elections, or so. i knew what i could raise and still have a reasonable fighting chance to win. we ended up winning, even though we were outspent. now, not only has the money tripled that you have to raise in the senate -- i was talking to tom daschle, and he said when he was majority leader, candidates had to spend 20%-40% of their time running raising jobs. not doing their to raise $25 million to be a candidate. you are spending most of your and being a banker
fundraiser, rather than doing things tried to help the middle class, to create jobs, to address guns, climate change, taxes, or balancing the budget, whether you are liberal or conservative. now wecaller's point, have all these secret organizations that call themselves the coalition first-round america. nobody knows who that is, who funded them. they can come in and advertise against tim roemer and say, tim has a terrible record on foreign policy, he is actually against strong american defense, and we want you to call his office, and tell him what a weak candidate he is on the defense of the country, national security. that is the secret money the
in.s whether it is coming from a liberal group or conservative group, this is usually secret, dark money, and we need to do something about that. that slants the playing field against democracy and people wanting to vote, and thinking their vote makes a difference. host: can states make their own reforms? guest: absolutely. jefferson said we need to incentivize states and show that they can come up with solutions on education, welfare, job and now, campaign reform. we are seeing the across the country. ne just passed a very strong clean up the government campaign law with better disclosure. i think they have vouchers to
help small contributors clay a larger role in the system so it y. not just big mone they have cut it through a business tax credit they claim was not working anyway. it is not a new tax, not a new es on theising tax backs of the middle class. ohio has just passed a new referendum on gerrymandering and fair congressional districts. host: you mentioned seattle. an editorial.t they made this conclusion. seattle with a convoluted system that is unnecessary tedious for candidates and voters to navigate. guest: i disagree with that.
anwill be a reform measure advocate for the small donor, the middle class people. it will clean up the system, have better disclosure laws. for every one of those criticisms, i think you can find 5-7 positive comments about local people take initiative to do something that they care deeply about. host: interviewers want to find out more about your organization, where would you direct them on the web? guest: issueone.org. encourage congress and the presidential candidates to do the same. comermers if you want to give us some ideas as to what we can do to help supplement and complement the good common sense across the country. host: thank you for your time. coming up, we will be joined by
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freedom caucus members. we support them both with our getting contributions for them, and we have a super pac that spends money in the races. i believe is that when you have champions on capitol hill, pushing for less regulations, less taxes, we will get better policy. host: is donald trump a champion in your mind? guest: he is the opposite of that. he is pretending to be a conservative, but his record is very liberal on all the issues. host: your organization just put out a white paper on donald trump. some of the things you say trump supported the largest tax increase in history, one place where trump hisbeen consistent equally troubling, calling for harmful, the government tariffs. case, he has not
been a public office, but for one decade or more, he has been making statements on public policy, and they are all very little. now, he decided he wanted to run hethe republican primary, so would say he is conservative, but he's not. host: have you put out ads against donald trump or other people? guest: what we do primarily are those white papers. we publish white papers on virtually all the candidates. we think there are very good options. we have not endorsed any one candidate, we have just pointed out which ones are good on economic policy. said,ald's case, we have look, he is brittany to be an economic conservative, but the research shows he isn't. iowa, put out an ad in spending about two and a half weeks telling people about the record. the poll shows that before, he
was in the lead, and after, he had fallen to second place. we are confident that when people know what trump is really focus ourl decide to another candidate. host: do you take credit? guest: we do. i think it made an impact. it showed the idea worked. when people are educated, they make wise decisions. host: as far as tonight's debate, it is about business. what do you think will be highlighted? who are you most interested in hearing from as far as espousing some type of economic plan? guest: there are several that in this a difference debate. you have marco rubio, ted cruz, havepaul, who all innovative ideas on the economy and how to spur economic growth.
i think hearing what their ideas be very helpful. you also people who are new to politics. carly fiorina has not filled out her plans, and our way paper shows -- and we are still researching it -- and her past, she had some good things, but also some questionable things. ben carson has really get to spell out the pac specifics of his plans. for me, it is an opportunity for these men and women to really show people what they would do. host: if you want to see more of those white papers and other things that club for growth has wth.org islubforgro the website. if you want to talk to our guest, and ask him about campaign 2016, (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. .202) 745-8002 for independents
you can also pose questions or comments on twitter. "the wall street journal" this morning has a writeup of the various tax plans for the candidates. you mentioned marco rubio, limited taxes,es and part of his bid is appealing to the middle class. guest: yes. what you see there is a combination of the economic approach, creating much larger incentives for capital, spurring growth and jobs for americans. a lot of people will say, what about the middle class? he has done something we did with the contract for america, where we had a child tax credit. he has basically lifted and raised the amount of deductions and tax credit for families to create what he sees as balance
in the tax plan. host: what about a lowering of taxes altogether? would you endorse the simplicity of it? guest: yes. the nice thing about this is you are seeing several different approaches by republicans. marco has that balanced approach. other people like ted cruz and have said, let's just lower the rate for everybody, and go to a flat tax, and maybe have a couple of deductions, but make it very simple to fill out the tax forms. that is another approach that we think is to mislead progrowth -- tremendously progrowth as well. host: this is jean for you. go ahead. caller: good morning. whate you would support was started by president reagan and bush. act in 1988.
that effort was supported by john hopkins university, and m.i.t. study on what to do with natural gas, and of course a nobel laureate that spoke on the methanol economy. andrtunately, it stopped, the sale of methanol was prevented at the pump. if i may, to give you a quote, this is two sentences from president reagan, why would he support such a thing -- the force of energy encouraged by this bill is already used in methanol. for example, it is used in the indianapolis 500 because it simultaneously enhances
performance and safety. cars that run on methanol can improve efficiency. host: we will let our guest response to this. onst: you know how to tug my heartstrings with the indianapolis 500. what it points to is disastrous policy of preferences for ethanol that has terrible ,ffects on the market for food the market for energy because it actually takes more energies to create ethanol and produce it. it is a net loser for us. with the decline in the price oil, let's do that. i would be all in favor of removing those regulations and removing that artificial
coverage for one type over the other. host: this is jerry from houston, mississippi. caller: good morning. -- the man on before you refer to the former speaker. he is supposed to be an informer, not a lobbyist. i'm confused because he kept referring to a democracy and we live in a representative republic. i'm not confuse, but i've been to washington, and i know the city, and i've been on it with motorcycles, and other things. i do what i do. i've got common sense because the creator gave it to me, not some club.
i don't miss it anybody. i'm just tired of people pretending to be principled, and they're not principle. there is only one principle. they need to know him, and i know you do, because you are smiling. you don't make up what you have to. represent the republican under god. there will be no d's and r 's. guest: you are right. my smile reveals, i think, a shared faith in our creator. the club for growth, the i leave focused on economic issues. that is what we report about the leaders here in washington. i want to mention another thing that you said. it happens time and again, full from america are set here as representatives to represent the people in forming policy and laws in our country.
.hey decide they like it their ambition is to hold onto that power and ambition, and fairly soon, they become corrupted by the process of how do i respond to the washington constituency and not the folks back home? we cannot change that system, but what we do is report on what they are up to. our scorecard will let people see, did they vote the way they promised they would vote, or did they start to line up with the establishment in washington and really become part of the problem? our view is tell people what is going on here, and maybe the people, the people outside of washington, will decide on someone new. host: "the wall street journal"
says, democrats are primed to make the case that the bold republican plans would provide the biggest benefits to the wealthiest households and federal deficit. guest: that is the classic democratic response to go to class warfare. the reality is when you create economic growth, it is middle america that benefits the most. when you have a system of taxes that try to punish people that are successful, you end up where we are today -- a sluggish economy, very little hope for young people, a huge percentage of young people are unemployed or underemployed today. their response will be the same old message that has failed us. host: from columbus, wisconsin, here is scott, democrats line. .aller: good morning, gentlemen
mr. mcintosh, i thought it was first of all very odd how you left off the name of who you support in the very beginning. you on the left off mr. scott walker. the club for growth here in wisconsin has spent, i think, over $9 million to make sure mr. scott walker was still in office. you are one of his biggest backers. he proposed to make 250,000 jobs , and aftert year four years has not even created half of that. abysmal.d is we are losing jobs all the time, especially when compared to other states around us. it is a terrible track record, especially here in washington -- wisconsin. you are part of the john doe investigation, or were. guest: if i can energetic, there
is a club for growth in wisconsin, but it is actually a separate entity. we have said that scott walker had a strong growth on economic policies. if he has only done half of jobs that is 125,000 more than there was before. what americans liked about scott walker, before he dropped out of the race, is he said what he was going to do. he was going to change the public bargaining system to make it more fair, actually let people keep more of their money, and not have compulsory state .nion dues he did it, and did in the face s and publicest
threats. people are looking for leaders like walker who say, this is wrong, it must be changed, and do something. host: mariann from new york, independent line. caller: hello? host: you are on, go ahead. caller: good morning. , how can cruzg run for president if he was not born in america? he was born in canada. guest: he is an american citizen. that is why he is qualified to be president. caller: these are not the things that was originally by the constitution, right? the laws that they decided -- born american. i think somebody who came
to america, but was -- host: talking about ted cruz and his tax proposals. he and mr. paul want to eliminate payroll in favor of a on consumption. what you think about that approach? guest: economist would say that a value added, consumption, tax is more efficient. i'm weary -- i trust senator ,ruz and paul to keep that low but i can see 20 years from now, increasingesident
that rate. that is what has happened in europe. i think thatplan -- is part of the plan that they have to explain. host: how should corporate taxes be treated? guest: i think the best thing to do there is start to eliminate the double taxation where they tax in both as a corporate entity and shareholders, and all the money is passed on to consumers. the idea of lowering the rate is at schmidt's place to start. one of the effects we have seen of high tax rates here is companies are keeping their capital overseas because they are not taxed when it is overseas. many of them would like to bring that money back to the united , but the tax code is the biggest barrier to them doing that. the general idea, let's lower the rate, is what we need to do.
preacher -- a repatriated tax, would you agree with that? guest: when they bring it back, it would be a reduced tax rate that they pay on it. you would see a tremendous benefit there. host: from new mexico, temp, independent line. caller: hello, david. all, why do you call yourself club for growth when you might as well call yourself koch industries because that is who you represent. with the value added tax, that is a regressive tax. that hurts poor people more than it does rich people. in this trickle-down theory that reagan started, you know, that does not work. it has been shown to not work.
the middle class is disappearing because of it. i would like to get your comments. guest: i think the biggest reason we are seeing a struggling middle class is actually this notion that we should increase our regulatory programs, make welfare a very rich safety net, rather than temporary assistance for people, and there is no hope said that if you work hard, save your money, try to have a better life for your family that you will get ahead. i think the reagan era reversed temporarily, and started with president clinton, and some of his policies, increased regulation, and certainly present obama's efforts -- president obama's efforts where forcedidized banks, but costs forto have huge epath care, and
regulations, all of that is what has deprived the middle-class of at high pay.obs caller: how are you? guest: good. , my point isn nothing in this country is going to work until we start to get thisf the infection in his government. the man behind the curtain. that we start to look at and do something about it, nothing, i don't care what programs you want to put up in this country, it is all dysfunctional because it comes from an infected government. you know as well as i do.
i'm looking you debt in the high, and you know it, sir. fed needs tot go. it is destroying this country. we are at the doorstep of a freaking financial collapse in this country, and i don't see one thing on the media because they are all bought and paid for . you know it. the walberg's -- they run the whole thing. you've got the freaking guy from freaking israel coming here. i don't even want to mention his name. i'm so upset with this country and the congress that has allowed it to come to this point. let me finish. he's coming over here and once $4 billion, and we already oh $20 trillion in debt. all of this talk that you are talking about, taxes -- it is all baloney. none of it is going to work. none of it is going to work. guest: one idea on the federal
reserve that i think has come for is rand paul's notion that there should be a full audit. that we don't need a government entity that is setting monetary policy to do it behind closed doors without an audit for what is being used to purchase securities in the marketplace. how much debt do they doing? too many of us in looks like they are printing money. but i think a true audit to disclose that to the american people is exactly what we need. washington journal says that john kasich favors full of media write-offs for company capital costs and the elimination of tax breaks. guest: both of those would be progrowth elements. there features that have been used in other tax reforms in the past. i guess i would worry is that he forosing the opportunity
what we have now to take special preferences out of the tax code. butould take some of them the real way to do that is to reform the lower rate and that would force him to remove all of those. probably the ones that would survive the political process would be the tax preference for home mortgages and the charitable deduction. is the line748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 is the line for republicans and (202) 748-8002 is the line for independents. mark from ohio, go ahead. caller: good morning, david. i can't figure republicans out. mr. romo was honored there before you and he was talking about how everybody dislikes the
citizens united decision. ok. but the citizens united decision -- and republicans are always saying that we have to get more people on the supreme court -- but the republican justices on the supreme court are the ones who voted for the citizens united decision. so you can't have it both ways. that itasaying messed up the country and so you need to elect more conservative justices. but it doesn't make sense. first, i think that tim is the republican decision, not the conservative decision. that peopleway should exercise free speech rights is to contribute to
groups that will speak for them. we agree with that with the club for growth. from thispping back debate, i don't have a problem with americans spending money in the political process, talking about what the future of our country should look like. he cited some statistics about how few people actually did that. to me, the problem is that we need more people who will decide what matters for the future of our children and the country and community. tothey can contribute money clubs they believe in, or they could volunteer and work in the campaigns. i think we should have an open system with an equal playing field where everybody knows what is going on at everybody has the same pool for how they can participate. i think then we will get a better result in the election. host: here is robert from virginia beach. caller: good morning.
say that i think these primary elections -- i would like to see the conservative candidates not forget about the christian right wing of the party. not so much focusing on the business wing, but to remember to appeal to the evangelical base of the publican party. that is something i have not seen too much of. -- some peoplen who are not pulling that well, marco rubio, ted cruz, they have been doing the best job at attempting to mobilize the evangelical christian base of the conservatives. robert, i think you will see more of that. our group does not participate in those issues. we focus on the economic ones.
which by the way, i think that -- thatp the citizens frees up the citizens. frees them up to give to churches and local community groups and create a society where your goals and values are better reflected. host: while i have you, i want to get your response to the president's turning down the approval of the keystone xl pipeline. guest: yeah, i thought it was an incredible political maneuver. it is not a surprise, he is that everything he could to delay that. he has done it to the price were natural gas prices are so low that there isn't an economic driver for that anymore. a symbol saying that
he is for government control of the energy sector. host: at the white house last week, he gave some of the economic reasons why it should not be approved. i want you to give responses to that. president obama: it would not make a meaningful contribution to our economy. so with congress is serious jobs,wanting to create this was not the way to do it. if they want to do it, which we should be doing is creating a bipartisan him for structure plans that in the short term, could create more than 30 times as many jobs per year as the pipeline would, and in the long run, it would benefit the economy and workers for decades to come. our business has created 260,000 jobs last month. we have created millions of new jobs over the past longest streak on record. the unemployment rate fell to
5%. this congress should pass and infrastructure plan and keep those jobs coming. that would make a difference. the pipeline would not have made a serious impact on those numbers. think about his arguments, david mcintosh? that the views government should decide which jobs should be created and which should be destroyed. advance his political agenda, in this case, radical environmentalism, he wants to forgo the jobs creating the pipeline, but he wants to paramount -- he wants to promote his government takeover of health care, and then he was willing to take over millions of jobs of small employers who couldn't afford to provide health care to their employees, so they started shrinking the role. that is diametrically opposed to what we think the go -- the role
of government is. government should provide enforcement of property rights and contracts but let the private sector decide, do we want to build a pipeline? do we want to build a road? we have a tradition in this country of government-sponsored infrastructure. our view is to turn off back to the states and sent the funding to them and let them develop the best plan to do that. but keep it in the private sector for how you do it and what to do. host: from oklahoma, isaiah is up next. republican line, good morning. caller: good morning. guest: hello, isaiah. host: caller, go ahead please. in we will go to jim indianapolis. guest: hello, jim. caller: how are you doing, mr.
david mcintosh? -- aere pretty good mediocre representative of the state of indiana. guest: can i go with pretty good? [laughter] the fact of the matter is -- caller: the fact of the jet matter is that jobs are created by bright people. most of our jobs now are training people overseas and giving them their jobs. this will make things difficult for the educated in this country. i don't know if it is a front for another lobbyist outfit. give me your opinion on that. guest: sure. basically, that does not engage in the immigration debate.
we focus on it a lot of the other priorities that i was sharing with you. our progrowth tax policy. reducing spending in the debt. and promoting free trade. and creating jobs and opportunities here. so we have not taken a position. host: i want to ask you about the new house speaker, paul ryan. do you think he will bring fiscal reform to our congress? paul, heserved with was on my committee when he was a freshman member. heis a breath of fresh air has an opportunity to focus on and it willreform allow congress to get out of the stalemate they have gotten into.
they love nancy pelosi to dictate the process. -- they have allowed nancy pelosi to dictate the process. the first of to do that is to change the rules that they used to govern or lead as a speaker. speaker boehner made a terrible mistake several years ago in deciding to punish people who disagreed with him. when i was there, newt gingrich was the speaker and we would disagree with him and he would tell us we were wrong but he would give us a chance to persuade people if we could get a vote. boehner started saying that if you don't agree with me and the way i want to run the house, we will cut you off from being able to raise money. we will take you off of the committee. and my hope is that speaker will -- my hope is that paul ryan will change that. -- in a democratic seat, he is a
democratic candidate. paul ryan can now say that you are part of a team, you're back with us, we will campaign for you. he can send signals that he is going to do things directly by taking steps like that. host: the first thing out of the gate was the highway bill. was that something that you supported? guest: we did not support the bill. andccepted the status quo we are going to keep it as a large federal program. it is a six year program but only half of it is paid for, which violates his own principles of trying to get hold of the runaway spending. and also have a provision that bringingis terrible of back to life the export-import banks. so we did like this first bill, but i think we will watch and see. if he continues to govern that way then he will be the same as john boehner. but if he shows that he will change traction with entitlement
reform and work on tax reform, then i think he has an opportunity to succeed. host: the budget bill that was just past, where did club for growth stand on that? was $120 billion of unpaid for spending. it says a new debt ceiling at $1.5 trillion higher and we are rdf $18 trillion of debt in this country. and we strongly oppose that. the vast majority of republicans also opposed that. my hope is that this is the last republicans let nancy pelosi right their bills. on the democrat line, go ahead. caller: we are talking about the budget, we are sending money to different countries and i have raised this point before. the thing about it is that we
need to start investing in education. the children who are out here now, you are talking about jobs and people being trained in other countries, and we need to invest more in education and less in trying to put money into israel's hands. i don't know why everybody has why are webout -- still backing somebody who after 40 years is still occupying the country, but if anyone else did it, we would cut them off. but we are still having the money and now they want extra money. guest: i think what we have seen today is record amounts of government money in the educational system. for absolutely no real efforts to reform the way that it is used. the best way to do that is to empower parents to control where that money goes. so you set up a school choice choose and parents can
different public school or at school. and immediately what you see, you see the leaders of the school pay attention to what the students need rather than running the school for their benefit. and that would be the best way we could get a lot more education for the dollars that we spend. host: here is mike from new york. you never answered the second part of that previous caller's question. you say that you want to inform the entitlements program, why do i never hear anymore reform about corporate welfare? about the money we give to big businesses? you never mentioned that. guest: a fair question. on foreign policy, it is not what our group focuses on. so i didn't answer is because i am not a good expert to tell you about that. asked, second thing you
what are we doing about corporate welfare? you are right on that it is something that gets overlooked. the first effort on that has summer, butry last now it is about to be done -- to be undone. it was to stop government funding of the export-import bank. basically that says big corporations can have loan guarantees if they sell their equipment to risky customers in africa and overseas. they can send them to iran if they want to and give the federal taxpayer a guarantee. losers. winners and it should be abolished and it was but it now has been allowed to expire. the walking dead agency because it is like a zombie coming back to life with the highway bill. hopefully we will be able to take it out forever at some point in the future.
you mention things like the agriculture subsidies, you are right about that. one of the bills that the club for growth supported was an effort to split the agriculture bill from the food stamp welfare bill. so that both of them could be reformed. there is no reason that the united states taxpayers should be supporting agriculture with huge subsidies to an industry that is profitable and successful in our country. it has used technology to increase the amount of harvest that we get and therefore the efficiency of the farming industry. and so we need to have a market-based approach to that. and family need to use trade agreements to open up markets around the world so that our farmers can sell their goods everywhere, rather than having a limited market here which has been been subsidized to make it up off it. in michigan. diane
guest: hi, diane. good morning. caller: good morning. i wanted to bring to the attention of all americans -- i am a christian. religionn't use our for politics. it should stay out of it. and i wondered how many evangelists know that the money that we sent to israel, they have free health care and they can get abortions for free down the street. do you know that? guest: i did not know that. once and israel understand that they are our best ally in the middle east because they do share our values as a democratic country with free markets where people can choose to make their living the way they want to. we probably disagree on health care policies and other policies
taxpayer, i'm against subsidies for abortions, so i do share that with you. but i do think israel is surrounded by countries and isis entities that want to destroy them and ultimately, want to destroy western civilization and the united states. so they are an important ally. especially with efforts to preserve the democratic value. we don't meet with democrats one-on-one, but we have invited them to our conference. several came to the last one in florida and we will invite them next february although i expect they will be out on the campaign trail. we have gotten to know them that way. preview ofk them to their plans with us. if they want to, they can. but we analyze them after they are released to give a fair
assessment on which one is appropriate. host: and that's can be seen online? clubforgrow you can join for free andth.org. david mcintosh is the president. thank you for your time. in the last 45 minutes, we want to talk about the media scrutiny that has been given to ben carson for stories here sold in the past. if you think it is fair or unfair, let us know. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. is it fair or unfair, the vetting of then carson?
we want to let you know about the program on monday night that takes a look at different cases of the supreme court that still has an impact today. last night we focus on the japanese-american internment experience. that was the case of korematsu versus the united states. here is a clip of the show when we take you to south-central utah for the site of the topaz internment camp. >> korematsu and his family would have arrived here in september 1942. this is what they would have seen. his family would have arrived in delta by train and they would have been either lost or trucked out here.
this would be the administrative area and back there would have been over 600 barracks, lined up. so there were about to hundred 50 people in each block. six barracks on one side, six on the other. have beenne would here, that is where the family lived. this is a re-creation of one of barracks.- the they were divided into six different rooms. this particular room here is 20 feet by 20 feet. this is exactly the same size room that the family would have lived in. these are cots that came from topaz. everyone was given a cotton mattress with two army blankets. these would have been the types of mattresses that they slept on. host: again, that is just a portion of the show featuring
it was legal voted to take japanese from their homes two different camps on the interior. that program prepares this saturday night. you can watch at any time at c-span.org. usa today, in the opinion center , they take a look at and carson and the scrutiny he has seen over the last week of the -- week of so. like donald trump and carly fiorina, has no experience in government. the need for careful vetting is paramount. to the argument that handling the white house as a political neophyte is like being operated on like an untrained surgeon. once again, this is more polarized than it has been in previous generations.
host: more about the stories that ben carson has said through his life. they are being vetted by the media and you can let us know if you think that examination is fair or unfair. (202) 748-8000 is the democrats. (202) 748-8001 four republicans. (202) 748-8002 is the independents. you can also post on our facebook page at facebook.com/c-span. the politics session of the washington post this morning has the headline that carson because more vulnerable in attacks in debate. they say he is defied expectations with his rise in the poll.
strategists are grappling with how to go after a likely candidate host: again, (202) 748-8000 is the line for democrats. (202) 748-8001 the line for republicans. for the) 748-8002 independents. we start with chuck on the independent line. good morning, what do you think? caller: i think they are being fair. look at jimmy carter. he didn't have much experience and he gave ronald reagan quite
a mess to clean up when he left office. host: so the scrutiny, the stories and the accounts, how do you think of his response? i am a trump person. i am very much for a business manager going in versus a surgeon coming out. kentucky, on the democrats line, here is gary. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: isn't it refreshing that a candidate -- they are attacking him with staff that happened 50 years ago when he was a child? everybody should be vetted fairly? thank you very much. host: so you think this is fair? caller: yes, it is refreshing the only stuff they can dig
up on a candidate's 50 years ago. and ik he is a good man appreciate c-span because they are fair. and balance. thank you very much. dr. carson appeared on the sunday morning program to talk about the press and the role in the examination of history. here are his thoughts on the matter. ben carson: i do not believe that this level of scrutiny was for barack obama when he ran. fact, i remember people saying that we don't talk about that. we will talk about that relationship. dorn, he didn't really know him. all of the things that jeremiah wright said, oh well. somehow, he ended up at -- university.
not interested in his records? let me ask that. can somebody tell me why? asking you why nobody was interested in his records. don't change it. if someone would tell me please what you have not investigated this? i want to know. you supported him. hold on one minute. one second. you are saying that something --t happened with the words a scholarship is offered -- is a big deal but the president of the united states is not -- >> but the -- carson: tell me how that is fair? host: that is ben carson last friday. a fund-raising everett has been
put out in light of this recent story. the letter goes on to say that the news has been tracking down and talking to my childhood friends. host: let's hear from jim in maryland on the independent line. caller: hi, i am not sure who i am supporting for president that if this is how the press is top,ing carson as over the 50 years ago, they went into childhood things and i have to believe that this is a race-based issue. because ben carson dares to say and preach and talk and support
"rograms that african-americans aren't supposed to do or believe." and the press say, this can't stand. they get much harsher treatment then regular -- hillary clinton is not going through this. the press knows because it is there are 30nd years of voters right now who don't remember all of the sleaze and lies that happened during the first clinton administration. that 20 yearsis ago? ,ut there are a ton of voters
everyone under 40 years old, they don't know that stuff. let's hear from lee in florida. on the democrat line. caller: hello? hi. i am totally in agreement with the media. investigating every word mr. carson says. any candidate says. -- mr. carson doesn't understand that he is running in thislargest office country. an office that will dictate policy for all of us. we know nothing about him. we have heard he is a great neurosurgeon. the best in his field. tot doesn't translate to me, being a good president.
we need to know about him, the man. he raisedrgument -- the argument about the media not going after barack obama. i disagree with that. i think that every time we turned around, they were debating and commenting and still are, over whether obama was a united states citizen and whether he was entitled to run. that was embarrassing and degrading. carson, to you, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. to mason in ohio on the democrats line. caller: good morning, how are you? host: i am well, thank you. caller: good. i think ben carson is being whiny about what the media is
doing. formedia didn't go digging the stories. that is the difference. he put the stories out there in his book and he tells the story on the campaign trail area so the media has every right and should that those stories that he is telling the american people. because he is running his race-based on his character. and if the stories he is telling are true, that does speak volumes about his character. and as far as, no other candidate got the same scrutiny -- people keep saying that they went back 40 years and 50 years -- no, he went back 50 years. if you remember, they went back to birth to vet president barack obama and they are still letting him eight years later. so he really needs to step up and put his big boy pants on. and he needs to explain the questions that are coming out .
he needs to not use the media as a distraction. when he is asked, he doesn't answer. he deflects. these is the media is not being fair to him. and that is not the case. i do think that race does make a difference but in this case, it does not. christie also commented on dr. carson and the he has reacted to this story, saying that in part, candidates are responsible for their arsenal stories. chris christie: we are responsible for our personal stories. we bring that personal story to you in the media and say, this it makes this is why me qualified and unique for a particular position. so i heard in this morning say that no one is scrutinizing
anyone else in the race. is he kidding? did he watch what i went through in january 2014 four months and months of relentless attacks from people in the media? and in the democratic party? when it turns out i did nothing wrong? so i to tell you, a couple of days about being asked about something you put in your book, i don't have sympathy. he should answer the questions forthrightly and directly. if he does, the american people will accept it. if you doesn't, then we have a problem. host: on the republican line, good morning. caller: i agree with the man from maryland. i would say yes, the scrutiny is ok. the candidates are for president and they should expect that. especially republican candidates, they expect that. the problem that i have is that the media is picking and choosing.
the media is not doing their job as chris christie said. story, going back to when bill clinton was running for president, there was no scrutiny. look up nina airport. there were a lot of things going on and they were not scrutinize. and now hillary clinton, when she testified a few weeks ago before the benghazi committee, -- theytted that admitted and she did not deny that there were e-mails to chelsea that the attack was terrorism. but she told the united states and the world that it was because of a video. so was she lying to her daughter or the world? the media doesn't ask those questions. when she was asked about her e-mails during the democratic debate a few weeks ago, she said no. and there was no follow-up.
so the scrutiny of the candidates is not the problem. the bias of the media is the problem. host: again, fair or unfair? joe on the democrat line, hello. caller: yes, good morning. dr. carson is pulling the clarence thomas thing, when he referenced lighting. to be runningfied for president as much as anyone, no one has held that office so all of them are qualified area but for him to say he is being invested more than anyone else, they vetted barack obama to the end degree and no one can deny that. as ben carson himself, is it fair or unfair? caller: the vetting process is absolutely fair. we want to your thoughts on the media looking into dr.
ben carson. the democrats, (202) 748-8001 the republicans and (202) 748-8002 the independents. if you go to our twitter page, you can participate in a poll. so far, 76% say it is fair. again, go to our twitter page for more information on that. we are now looking at latinos snd their role in the candidate of 2016. they say that
host: joyce from texas, go ahead. democrats were vetted the same way that ben carson is, i would say that it is fair. look at how they are treating hillary clinton. look at all of the dirt behind this lady. they just accept her. let me say to him a democrat that has called in, the reason they are attacking him is because they are afraid of him. because he is in the lead.
ashamed to let anybody know that i was that afraid of him. that is why the media is treating him like they are. it is because they are afraid of him. you know, i really feel sorry the blacks that i hear calling in. are -- the unemployment is higher in our community than it is anywhere else. deciding who is going to vote for hillary clinton. look at what you are putting into the white house if you vote for this woman. her husband is going in the white house. look at how they treated will cause be. cosby.ted bill blacks are voting for this woman.
you should be ashamed of yourself. host: from alabama on the republican line. caller: yes, i just want to say that every time we have a man or woman who is running for president -- are you on the line? host: yes, go ahead. we have aery time godly man or woman running for president, the medium comes out and attacked them first. they say they are demons out there to undermine and they cause the people to say things that don't matter anymore. like ben carson. something that happened years ago. responsive of unreal people who are only interested , a godless nature.
a godly man is what america needs today. man toan find a godly lead us, we are going in the wrong direction. from south carolina, this is larry on the democrat line. go ahead. caller: yes, i think it is fair for him to be vetted. because i don't think you should be able to hold the highest office in the land, in the united states, and be a world leader, if you cannot take a little hit from the media. i mean, the media has shown that he is weak. they will get under your skin. he is not going to win. i know what the polls are saying, i was watching them this morning. but he will not win. no way.
i don't think hillary clinton will win either. i think it will be jeb bush or marco rubio. i think jeb bush would be a good president and i will vote with him. i think marco rubio would make a good vice president. host: keep your continued calls on the media about the vetting process with ben media. again the lines are (202) 748-8000 with democrats, (202) 748-8001 republicans, (202) 748-8002 with independents. is the --ce going on governor. the debate is going on and you can see that tonight on c-span two. there is an article saying that
host: this is over the weekend that the democratic state representative, john bell edwards, released a statement against david bidders involvement with the constitution scandal. here is the ad. >> a choice for governor couldn't be more clear. who answeredards, our country's call and served as a ranger in the airborne division. or david bidder who answered a prostitute's call after he soldiers vote honoring who gave their lives in defense of our freedom. he chose prostitutes over patriots. now, the choice is yours. again, that ad was from the democratic state representative of john bell edwards who is campaigning against senator vitter. own act yesterday
addressing the same issue. here it is. 15 years ago, i failed my family but found forgiveness in love. i learned that our flaws aren't what define us but rather how we get up and accept her sensibility and earn redemption. now louisiana has fallen on a hard time. low wages and failing schools. you know me, i am a fighter. and as your governor, i will get up every day and fight for you and a strong louisiana. host: again, the debate between those two, you can watch it live on c-span two tonight. it starts at 8:00. if you want more information about the debate, you can go to our website, c-span.org. on the republican line, is the media vetting fair or unfair? taking myank you for call, you are one of my
favorites. i agree with the woman from texas. that i knew in my heart that ben carson was a great man when he spoke at the prayer breakfast four years ago. that was in up and defiance of the obamacare. his idea for health care is so much better than obama's health care. but obama's expressions when ben carson had the courage to speak negatively about obamacare told me that this man could be the president. the media did not scrutinize obama and i think that is racist. i am a republican but i vote for the person. was a ben carson democrat, i would still vote for him. he is an honorable man. what happened years ago, i mean,
this is ridiculous. they can't find any dirt on him like clinton, so they are attacking anything. they can't find anyone to speak badly of them. that should be a good thing. he will be our next president and i will vote for him 100%. and just one point. -- democrats layer labeled the republicans as racist. we are the ones who freed the slaves. no democrat in congress voted to free the slaves. it was the republicans, 100%. that is all i want to say. everyone, look at the candidates and listen to what they are saying. ben carson is the only one with class. cat: ok, we will hear from in florida. ander: i am an independent i think the media is being ridiculous about ben carson.
i am looking at the candidates and to me he is one of the most honorable candidates. claim wasre what the so many years ago because it was a matter of his perception of being offered a scholarship. i think they are scrutinizing him in an unfair manner versus the way they are scrutinizing or not scrutinizing hillary clinton and some of the democratic candidates. host: chip from lafayette, louisiana. good morning, we are talking about the media vetting of ben carson as fair or unfair. caller: good morning. let me quickly say, i just saw vitad about edwards and ter. the of our perceived with him is forgiveness. and i am a christian. but he is very much against
person reform which everyone from the president to the koch brothers agree me need in this country. he is against the same type of forgiveness in letting people that have been incarcerated come back and be in society. in his mind, they should not be forgiven. they should continue to be labeled as felons. i hope that he watched tonight, the debate will be at 8:00, and you can watch it on c-span two. go ahead. caller: i plan to. regarding dr. carson, he certainly is being vetted fairly. this is no different and not only is he being vetted fairly, this is expected in our 24/7 new cycle of today. let me give you an example. what about john kerry? when he ran for president.
they invented a new term. he went back to talk about 40 volunteered tohe go to vietnam, he was given a medal by his government and 40 years later, the republicans and conservatives go back and find people to dispute the claim that he was actually a hero. despite the fact that people who talked.ed by this man so don't talk to me about going back 40 years. dr. carson put these things in writing in his book. as part of his telling his own story, and if that story is false, we have every reason to challenge that. and let me state this, i do not believe that the republican party is going to nominate an african-american male.
host: chris up next from georgia. on the line. caller: yes, good morning. that theely think mainstream media is out to get ben carson. someone -- okat to vet someone, but to put a headline that he lied about his past and his scholarship, i guess it was to the naval academy, it wasn't made clear. and they didn't dig into the facts to find out that basically he was told by someone in the service that basically he would have a free ride if he elected to go to the academy. it didn't go into the details,
he couldn't remember the details of who told him, but the headline was that he lied. that does is it paints a negative perception of this man as a liar. and that won't go away. for most of the people, that is what they see and hear. and this follow-up stuff, they never see. is how the mainstream media tries to take out republican candidates. they are an arm of the left wing. maryland,ext from mike lives there. good morning. caller: good morning. it is fair, the media is doing their job. the caller, about 10 colors back, he is running for the highest office in the land. he doesn't get a free ride because he is ben carson, the famous neurosurgeon.
respect him, we'd knowledge that he has accomplished a lot, but we also are the ones who have to be intelligent about what we deem to be significant or frivolous that comes out of the media. the media is doing their job, this is what they do. we have two meaty smart ones and not get so personal and think that the media is going after ben carson. they are going after everyone who is running for office. if you have something that you don't like about your past, there is a chance it will be exposed. when barack obama ran for a thatd term, -- said running for office reveals who you are. so he is not going to get a free ride and they have every right to date. what i don't like is where they impugn his character. to the extent that they can do research and bring something up that we would not know, they do
this morning? host: good. caller: good. i think the media could do a better job with choosing their words. oftentimes they raise questions which is great, and i praise the media for that. i have been in the media for over 25 years. i appreciate them for raising questions but they should do the research before they ask the questions. secondarily, about ben carson playing the race card when it comes to the questions that he was asked recently, my first thought was that if ben carson were in a room negotiating with ,he chinese, japanese, russians africans, middle east people -- he could not get tested and play the race card. he could not do very well in that forum. think that mr. carson might have overreached a little bit
with the race card. host: when you look at the high -- dropoutout herbie rate, they are saying that the rate is down to seven edge of 50,000 in 2012. host: john from atlanta, georgia. go ahead. caller: good morning. my comment is this. ago,u remember a long time running, this guys name was cain. i believe it was 2012.
the media brought up some dirt about him, the dirt that they brought up on him was true. and i think what is going on media ishat the bringing out whatever dirt they can find on dr. carson. in the he is moving polls. i believe, in my opinion, i think it is racial. it is not so much what they do as to how they are going about doing it. sense, it is that unfair. but he is moving up in the polls -- that is why he media is why the media is doing this. why they are bringing out all leaders they can find.
-- bringing out all the dirt they can find. caller: good morning c-span. this is a perfect example of somebody publishing a smear job and then changing their mind afterwards and nobody gets the message. that carson was never offered a scholarship because they didn't offer scholarships. actually advertised that theynd magazines were offering four-year scholarships or five years scholarships. it a scholarship themselves but that has gotten lost in the mix. what heas vindicated on said. probably -- what he had put down. it is a total smear job and this is what the democrats -- i don't
think it is racial. i think it is the fact that he is a conservative and they can't get anybody, including a very qualified black male, just because he is a conservative. they are not racially biased against the guy. it is just a good example of what the media does when they get disappointed with mr. daudzai: that will be the last call on this topic. don't forget another addition comes your way to mars 7:00 a.m. see you then. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]