tv Key Capitol Hill Hearings CSPAN November 11, 2015 2:00am-4:01am EST
>> we learned very quickly, who are they? there is no one-size-fits-all. we did see as a clear pattern, young enlisted servicemembers under the age of 35, most of post secondary education but did not have a degree or certification. those are the ones who are facing high unemployment, greater than 11%. that was the target population. first things we learned as a group. >> what are some of the major challenges they face? one, communication and a culture gap and barrier between jobseeking veterans in greattion, and you, the is this community, that one and need them. business community that want them and need them.
second, despite advances from toolsa. to develop new and programs, as well as public-private partnerships, young servicemen and women are generally not prepared for that transition. how to do even know that planning. leverage the tools that dakota talked about. >> that led us to the third question. how do we help them navigate the sea of goodwill -- goodwill? it is a collective effort. we want young servicemembers to have a guidebook that helps them navigate the process. points them in the direction of great resources across the space. we did not want a one-size-fits-all approach. we did not want to take that, but we saw commonalities between the transition process between
all classes of service members. elementis an essential to all servicemembers. we continued to work with the great coalition to develop tool we are releasing today. we have worked up until last night, quite frankly, on the tool you have before you. it captures and consolidates the essential steps and processes. there are three phases. the first is to prepare. part of that preparation is the benefits analysis. this is a tremendous country and there are tremendous benefits at federal, state, and local levels. skills assessment. the table as to transitioning service members and military spouses. start that strategic planning process and how to work through that area that brings us to the second phase, transition.
that starts with a value proposition that dakota talked about. how do i bring the you to your businesses and companies? the ability through marketing, networking, to articulate that value proposition. a great resume, elevator pitch. from there, you have to take it into a targeting process. to find of opportunities. to negotiate, a new skill set. through that process, mentors play a critical role. it is at that point where we cannot declare victory as transitioning service members. that is where it really starts. that is where lead and succeed comes in. cultural to be some commonalities. just as we prepare for iraq and afghanistan, we have to prepare for the civilian business environment. there is connecting.
with the new team and new businesses. also within the community. andave to take ownership management for our success within our new business environment, whether that means more directly taking of responsibility for training and education, but also our career investment -- advancement. >> this is really where you get to the meat and potatoes. s and familiesmber learn some easy things so they can go back-and-forth and pick up where they may have left off because of their busy lives. more importantly, there are great resources in here as well. it can be overwhelming to a lot of young servicemembers and servicemembers in general. these are best in class service resources.
>> that's right. what we are releasing is not designed to replace anything that exists. way to aggregate and consolidate that so men and women who need the great and resources can better find and navigate through that process. we are asking for your assistance in two ways. the first, we want your feedback. the first generation of this important toolkit, to better arm and empower service members and veterans. we also need your help getting it out. pushing it out to the population that needs it. you can find of the toolkit here at her website. website. >> we are running out of time but i want to make one last point. this is not the last roadmap. there are other populations with challenges.
we want to make sure we have a similar roadmap for military spouses. caregiver population, as well as guard and reserve members. any last thoughts? >> go army. [applause] ofi'm the president and ceo the international franchise association. we represent nearly 9 million jobs in this country. 800,000 establishments. $2 trillion in economic output annually. it was four years ago in this very building, on veterans day, 2000 11, that the international franchise association made a commitment to higher 80,000
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deployments. why was it important for capital one to be part of this? 2012, when literally hundreds of thousands of service members were returning home, there was an enormous issue that needed addressing. a need and opportunity to get engaged in meaningful employment of service members. wherel one works in a way we first look at, what can we give and then what are the particular needs. we have always been in the people for educating jobs that provide progressive employment. this became a national -- a natural for us. we can make a meaningful difference.
we turned to our partners in the chamber foundation and talked about the difference we could make. there came hiring our heroes. business operations at capital one. my best teams start with the best people. if you're looking for the best people, and every company is or you should be looking for veterans and military spouses. we have been successful with hiring veterans and military spouses. is aw our chief counsel navy veteran. at every level of our company, we have talented veterans and family members. we could not be more pleased. >> what is the impact on small business? someone said, it is the right thing to do. businesseswho run are like, it has to make
business sense. tell me about the impact on small businesses. seven out of 10 jobs come from small businesses. they have just as much need as big businesses to hire great people. there is that piece of it. the other thing that is important, and was mentioned earlier, the skills that one learns in the service are great entrepreneurial skills. as more servicemembers are coming home and being entrepreneurial, starting small businesses, there is a role we in play in educating them the ways of the digital world for example. so it is not necessarily just enough to have expertise in the product your business makes. to succeed in the business world, you need a set of digital skills that are unprecedented. that is another place where we can be helpful.
>> private sector. why is leadership from the private sector so important? hire to fill out my big teams. you are looking for the best talent. veterans and military's houses, they have the best talent. we talk about the skills and abilities. the ability to solve complex problems. that is what every company is looking for. we find it right there in the military spouses. >> i can imagine the private sector is more flexible. you guys can turn on a dime in a way that maybe government cannot necessarily make fast decisions and create new initiatives. we create new initiatives all the time to read cover these need to reinvent themselves all the time to the kind of talent that can reinvent themselves all the time.
which clearly this population has. the stats that folks gave about the retention of former military members is incredible. also, they giving back. the sense of caring for community. that former military members have is incredible. there is a story of a gentleman who works at capital one. former trainer, a former marine, and he trained afghan units on skills like medical issues, logistics, communications, operations. 350 members of this unit. if you ask a person like that what their skill set is, they
have enormous skills that translate into our business. he never thought about capital one and we never thought about him. through the u.s. chamber, hiring our heroes initiative, we met there. not because job fairs are the best place to hire people come about because you you meet people. through that networking, what we learned about each other, he is not only an incredibly successful leader and analyst in our company now, he is one of the key folks that gives back. he goes to hiring fairs. he works with others in the military, so there is that sense of giving that is incredible. >> have there been challenges you have had to solve? has your perspective as a veteran been helpful fixing the challenges? mr. lamm: absolutely. i go back to the skills that i learned and practiced in the
military. leadership, teamwork, problem solving. those may be successful in the military and they have made me successful in the business world. hiring veterans and military spouses is important that that is not the last stop. into theition corporate world does not stop with the hiring . we have a transition program. led by the 800 person military network. that is the recipe for a transition. >> that is a great point. the goal was 500,000. you hit the goal. are you done? ms. berkowitz: no. there are 250,000 more returning now. jobsw the highest gap in
for 18-24 your old veterans. we have something to contribute to that end we will continue to contribute to that. >> i push it you guys. thank you. -- i appreciate you guys. thank you. [applause] >> we will be taking a brief five-minute break. >> tomorrow on veterans day, interviews with members of congress who served in iraq. russell wasan steve an army ranger received -- who served in the unit that hunted saddam hussein. for live coverage of president obama taking veterans day observances at 11:00 a.m. eastern here on c-span. >> and look at the origins,
history and motivations of the terrorist group isis and its leaders. this is about an hour. >> welcome to iiss, for an in-depth conversation on isis. we here to avoid any confusion about isis. i have actually been asked about that. we have two notable guests. one, who has published a ofcinating book on the rise isis. he is a journalist from the washington post who joined the national staff in 1996.
he has covered national security and currently writes about the environment, where he won the pulitzer prize, years ago, i believe. his previous best-selling book, "the triple agent," helped inspire this book. i think it is in the introduction or acknowledgements. second, an associate professor at the department of social sciences at west point. a senior associate at the terrorism center at west point. more importantly, she will be joining us as a senior research fellow at iiss in bahrain next month. iiss in bahrain next
month. i'm told to warn you, her views in no way reflect anything about the military or the army. we are going to have a discussion here for about 20 minutes. and then i will turn it over to the audience for q and a. first, i will ask about your book. it is focused on a number of individuals. especially zarqawi and his rise in jordan. his release. his time in northern iraq. iraq.tely his demise in
it also tells the story of a who try toey figures find him. the story of how he led the insurgency in iraq. i am wondering if you did this, took this approach for narrative reasons as a journalist, or if you feel the rise of isis is really the story of individuals and their own contingencies. in other words, could isis have been presented if he was still in a jordanian prison? >> thank you and thanks again to for hosting this event and been such a great resource.
members of the public over the years. it is nice to meet you for the first time. also to add to the they have thes -- problem of trying to explain they are not the bad isis. good going on rearranging your letters. me, as aing point for journalist i am a storyteller by nature. zarqawi familiar with when he was still active in iraq. his importance as a terrorist leader was underrecognized and read what he was able to create was unique. built in organization that
became a problem form us. he did it deliberately, even is probably the least suited or qualified person to lead a terrorist movement. he never finished high school. .e was a street hoodlum he went off to fight the jihad and did not do especially well. he missed a chance to fight the russians because he got there too late he had some unique ideas that al qaeda rejected. following, arful core group that he formed around himself. he became a powerful and strategic force. there is an important story that needed to be told and broken down and understood. it became more important under the isis context. theree without zarqawi,
was no isis. he was the innovator of everything we see today. the focus on building the caliphate. it was something he decided in iraq had to be done immediately as a short-term proposition. thesing on building caliphate as a field of dreams. declare it, it will happen. his successors did it more overly but he was doing it as early as 2005 or 2006. he was the innovator of by sheer objectives brutality. he did not want to be liked, he wanted to be feared and respected. he wanted to make things happen. he innovated the idea of parading men before a camera and cutting their heads off. an important story and one we need to understand if we want
to understand isis. the other thing that is that --t to me, i argue would not have existed without a series of missteps. to help general readers, not just people in our world of being saturated with this. help them to understand all these points we are familiar with. how it came together in an extraordinary way with circumstances, to form zarqawi. and the organization that followed, isis. scientists doial not like to focus on individuals. in your mind, what were the main
circumstances that led to the rise of isis? ideological, reaction to the the authoritarian regimes? first, thank you for inviting me to this event. and to me meeting joby. something about his book, and from the book at the one of the things that joby tells us, the bombing that was carried out initially group, they try to target an adult cinema. bomber was so
film, he forgot about his mission and lost his legs in the process. book is somewhat similar for me. i started reading his book on the train. there were mechanical difficulties. to change we needed trains and everybody lost except me, i was too engrossed in the book until a conductor said, you need to leave. i found myself really enjoying many of these stories and aspects i had not read before. i want to commend you beyond taking us past the early time or i.s. or the group that calls islamic state.wa
we have had so many books that flooded the market. --many of them begin with personalities do matter. what we have found through zarqawi is a different brand of jihad isism. we had become accustomed to the jihadism dominated by al qaeda. perhaps the personalities of ourgeoisll we say bo jihadis. the dangerous dreamers as they are called.
thatw a kind of jihadism was about ideals. sacrifice. the need to die for a cause. seeing aawi, we are particular, a different kind of jihadism. they decided they wanted to be jihadis. we see some of those differences brand, at qaeda's least on the narrative side, and what we are seeing with zarqawi today. fillst respect, the book an important gap. i want to say also, there were , we still have gaps in understanding the foundation of i.s.
like us to focus on. you describe him in your book, when zarqawi emerges. of -- thisame part is a very important time. we saw many groups in iraq. umbrella,d under the and zarqawi's group was one of many. we saw many serious divides. some of the groups appealing to bin laden. saying, why don't you dissociate yourself from these groups? if there was one report -- i don't know about its authenticity -- it suggests it al-bagdadi who was the
leader. when i read his statement, he provides almost, if you like, the theorize asian of what he calls the beheading. what heheorizing of calls the beheading. we may say there was no state, but the hierarchy and infrastructure, at least on paper. all the suicide operations and other operations mounted and era. this was during this , wonder why the several years
2.5 pages in the book. benjamin: because that is your book. i would like to ask you about your time in jordan. it is what helped inspire this book. it is clear you went to remote places outside of him on. mman. a i wonder if you can talk about the g ijid. ise the people you met from th m organization. their role in the security establishment and how they can committed positively or negatively to the rise of isis.
joby: i think jordan is an essential character. zarqawi was a jordanian. at the same time, as i understand, his real influence was outside the country. it was not part of the jordanian movement. it did not come out of the muslim brotherhood. he was more influenced by his mujahedinng -- experiences. he did not have a single successful attack ever. the one that was the most famous was just described by nelly. what came out of the story, role and containment of
these groups. they recognized they had a serious problem. these afghanth fighters coming back to the country. being radicalized. having military training. getting into trouble. sophisticated containment operation began. they had dealt with factions of palestinians, but this was a homegrown terrorist problem they had to deal with. quite brutally at times. there was a combination of two things. whichely good nutrition, is easier to do in a small country. -- penetration, which is easier to do in a small country. i have always been impressed whatthey have a grasp of is going on the country. the old organization, the headquarters, has a hard reputation. nickname used --
to be the fingernail factory. they have become a little less rough around the edges but they do what they need to do including keeping people in prison for a long time if they feel there is a threat. the ideological partner to born -- was a core 80 kuwaiti born palestinian who had the philosophy that started this movement in prison. zarqawi was released in the general amnesty in 1999. they saw him as a threat and kept him in prison -- this other man as a threat and kept him in prison until a few months ago. they have been very good and effective at controlling some of these groups.
they have a bigger problem now. it is not just the jordanian population but huge numbers of outsiders, especially syrians. refugee camps. problem ofave the isis, literally on two sides of the border in iraq and syria. their problems have amplified in the last couple of years. they continued to complain to me , noti speak to them about just a resource problem, they feel disadvantaged and shortchanged. they are fighting a challenge that is unique in the region. they are essential to keep isis from progressing further and do not feel they have nearly the support they need to. they come out as being cassandra and also, a tragic element of what is happening to the country.
benjamin: from your time in jordan, do you pick up any blowback among the population about the treatment of prisoners? radicalization? that was made,ke and i think the jordanians would it this, they kept the jihadists together. they had an overcrowded prison population. were hard-core guys infecting the other guys. they put them all together. it opens up with a group of 50 radicals in prison together in a gel that has been abandoned. jihadime kind of a university. there are stories of torture and and it is hard to
get a true version of what happened in many cases. it helped drive these guys together and create a more radical collection that existed before. beforan existed before. i think there is more effort, they are good not just that penetration but human intelligence. you talk to officers, i guess the equivalent of almost more thethen cia, dealing with families of young men going into the jihadist camp. working with parents, siblings. street-level care and attention being paid to potential problems coming up. that is what makes them remarkably, if you look at the region, stable compared to their neighbors. going back toy,
isis today, can you help us situate them in the spectrum of islamist groups and talk a little bit more about their difference with al qaeda? nelly: sure. joby mention the one-time mentor of zarqawi. landscape,he jihadi i prefer to call them jihadi's. s are groups that use islam as part of their political agenda, but they are willing to have political elections and so on. s upend theadi political process altogether. groups thatncounter
came to form isis or i.s. through the lens of the writings , or thee the person who ideologue whose writings provided the foundation of that brand of jihadism. the jihadism of bin laden and al ofda is the jihadism pragmatism of sorts. one of the early books that became popular among the the religion of abraham." he provides the seeds for that kind of sectarianism that zarqawi would adapt and run with. said zarqawi and
others abused his writings. they didn't really abuse them. you go back and read his writings, human night on his thoughts that they did not abuse them. not to get into too much technicalities about this, but the main difference, and this is a difference that was very clear whenn laden and zarqawi they first met sir, we back in 1999, they did not want anything to do with him because of differences in the concepts of -- these are the social contract, if you wil like, the social contract. with whom you want to associate in terms of believers. and bin laden, they
wanted to focus and emphasize the thought you of this. bringing people together. -- the value of this. ringing people together. zarqawi, they were concerned about who to dissociate from. f.ey did not share your believ s they rejected the shiites. for those who emphasized that on the basis of police, they were disposed to resorting -- when a muslim declares fellow muslims to be unbelievers. mainstream muslims, and even people like bin laden, were careful about that. they would not utilize it.
mainstream muslims will tell you what is theides believer's intention. only god knows it. whereas our car we -- zarqawi knew better. he thought they wanted to cleanse and purify the faith from those believes they disapproved of. on the ideological spectrum, the rootsere we see of that sectarian ideology emerging. out of his writings. the arm thates advances it. disciples, one of the
people who was fighting along zarqawi. he died in iraq. he was furious with zarqawi, howard dare you send him to the battlefield. you sent him to the battlefield. from that respect, we see a clear difference between the strategically oriented to jihadis and those who weresectarian, prepared to sacrifice strategic objectives to appear if i be the tension was always probable. faith.urify the
the tension was always palpable. they said they had refused to to the trainingk in camps. that is why zarqawi did not want to join al qaeda. on, bin laden and others were more pragmatic. him in when he became more mellow bowl. the issues, it is not that the regime only used him. he was also using the machine. jihadis whog the followed his views. it seems, if you look at the
prison,ry in and out of it is one where he was willing to make concessions. soon thereafter, we see him being released from prison. >> you want to add anything? question tone more joby. you described in depth in the book, i think quite well, about the military advance and development of these cells under general mcchrystal. they were highly mobile. they included special forces. intelligence analysis and resources. against thekthrough insurgency provoked by al qaeda in iraq. mind, do you see
anything we can learn from isis now? is the air war, that has been going on for more unwinnable without that kind of action on the ground? certainly 40 special operators in syria are not enough. heading inthat trend any direction because of general success?l's or was that apples and oranges? joby: the united states developed a pretty good operational strategy against to read itovement took them three years to get it up and running, through trial and error. boneheaded mistakes. what brought the movement on its heels was two things.
whichbar awakening, coincided with improved tactics. intelligence/special operations group that ran out of mcchrystal 's operation. what was successful about it was bombing at aom distance or large troop operations to high tempo intelligence capture and kill, and then kill capture. nightafter al qaeda every . i talked to the guys involved in the program, tough guys that you are glad are on our side. they would have breakfast for dinner and go out at night. houses, three or four times a night, night after night. as soon as they hit one, they would collect intelligence and go after another immediately. high tempo, never giving the enemy a chance to regroup or regather. they were effective at taking
out second or third tier commanders and eventually killing zarqawi. a couple of problems. had full control over iraq. of the airspace. cooperative government with significant resources. was relatively small groups could make a big difference, ultimately, in the defeat of zarqawi. i remember sitting with 8 wholigence folks in 200 are convinced al qaeda had been defeated. that didn't happen. they became isis. of special groups operations into the theater. there is some indication they hope to reprise that successful formula using friendly forces
like kurds but hopefully with advisers, instructors, that can help locate that experiment. -- replicate that experiment. whether they can do that in syria without full control over her space and the kind of intelligence network we had is a good question. benjamin: nelly, you are trying to answer that. for q&a.e self andentify your keep your question as short as possible. the gentleman in the front. the microphone will come to you. thank you for your discussion. i want to preface my question with a cynical observation. with the current condition of the u.s. political process, if it were in existence in 1941, we
would be speaking japanese and german. since september 11, two administrations have made strategic errors that range from catastrophic to ludicrous. mr. bush failed to ask and what next question. how do you account for that? is this in our dna? are the problems to tough, or is the political process to difficult th -- too difficult? joe b: that is a million-dollar question. all i can offer is, it is instructive to look at the strategic side. that happen again and again, often because we did not ask the question, what comes next or did not have the strategic vision to see what was i think incorner,
the case of the obama administration, they were caught by the arab spring movement that nobody knew what to do with. seeing our allies toppled. we were pretty hopeful that we could see what would come out behind it, but in every case it has been a disaster. how we can get ahead of it? that is a tough one. i remembered talking to senior folks here. they were convinced it was going to fall. have ase we are going to stable government in this notical place and it did begin to happen. even with all the iranians and
americans and everyone there, where does this end? -- we don't know where it is going. we cannot come up with good answers on how to solve it. >> thank you john craig from the center for american progress. joby, you said at the end that the centers for zarqawi transitioned into isis. i want to ask a question about why zarqawi. both men and joby described the disbandment of the iraqi military is tragic mistakes, but in fact they were in of the neocon agenda. i think they were very deliberate policies pursued by the administration at the time. iraqis thatd to the
were affected? why was his r. kelly, not even if an iraqi, and where were all peoplee iraqi military while's r. kelly was organizing military people while is r. kelly was organizing? wase zarqawi organizing? joby: he was destined to have this fight. the iraq war was going to happen and he was going to be there on the ground. but he dropped it these jihadists who had this vision
for fighting the superpower, infidel out of iraq. he very quickly joined forces the locals. suddenly, unemployed military who did not really share the bizarre calories envision us saw a strategic opportunity to join forces. professional iraqis, bureaucrats and military officers with these fanatical jihadists. that was the combination that made bizarre calories movement so powerful. you have these guys -- that's movement so's powerful. , veryideological views much see the value of isis as a
weapon for going after the shiite government in baghdad and reclaiming glory. i think that is the innovation began what does it is today. you are absolutely right as the mistakes. everyone of those decisions was deliberate, including the one i described in some detail in the book. turn as of trying to our calorie, an unknown jihadist figure in 2000 2003 to the connection. the cia was pretty convinced at the time that's our kelly had no connection to saddam hussein. that zarqawi had no connection to saddam hussein. that became part of the justification for the invasion.
iraq priority 2003, most people, whether they believed it or not, it was part of the kind to get intou needed university or to do things. had tremendous influence on those who did not like saddam but who had to be part of the party. that is why the new regime lost many talents who could have been part of the new government. they were excluded. because they were just baptist. bathist. and of them are fighting forming groups, it natural to fight a long with his zarqawi.
once they started getting to know him better, we find there was an enormous divide between his zarqawi and the former bathi sts and others. it was one of obama's first statements. ists toed on the bath join. particularly those in the military, he called on them to join the islamic state of a rock is so long as they could have actually, some basic knowledge of koranic verses and so on. he is the one who did the outreach. he reached out to the kurds in his public statements. that earlyear outreach by czar callery did amazing things early on. the first big attack in 2003
against the u.n. compound, the jordanian embassy, the major shiite facilities, were all using improvised bombs made from iraqi aircraft munitions. there was help providing equipment, intelligence. here is a guy able to have intelligence that worked pretty quickly. to plan coordinated attacks and have powerful, locally produced munitions to attack. points to participation and attack from well-placed iraqi sources. [indiscernible]
in the recent years we have seen the increasing islamic activity and afghanistan and other areas outside the region. what evidence did you see of the isil, are they providing money,ple or is there leadership advisors? do you see evidence of a greater link than just being a and example? joby: i have been convinced it is mostly by inspiration and example. sometimes they communicate with propaganda and speak to each other through their own facebook postings and tweets and things like that, evening and encouragement from the sibling
organizations throughout the region. it will be interesting to see what happens. turns out to be bomb, theoduced question is, is that something a local isis affiliate would together or was it something that was directed and somehow equipment, supplies, no-how came from central isis? i do not know the answer but it will be telling to see the answer and the extent to which centralizes has command responsibility to some of these organizations. i think right now you see the beheadings and placing flytrap afghanistan a couple days ago, in libya, you see echoing going on but it is not impossible to logistics.
>> let us take three questions from the back. .> ken meyer the prevailing opinion among the syrians and iraqis is that the united states is behind the islamic state. the u.s. treasury decided to look into how the islamic state received those hundreds of toyotas that used in the takeover of northern iraq? what do you think they're going to find? >> in the corner? >> sorry. >> british embassy. it strikes me, when dealing with an adversarial or enemy the idea of giving them credibility is dangerous. by calling them the islamic state or isis whiffed on that. have we reached the point of no
return and how they are branded and how that gives them the credibility they desire? >> far corner? >> hello. sorry. thank you for being here. i wanted to ask if you could talk a little bit about recruitment. jihadist recruitment. how isis has influenced al qaeda's ability to recruit jihadists and how their recruitment processes have changed as a result. >> nelly, i will ask you to start with the question. islamist-isis the branding, talk about perhaps who communityamic world has some credibility about condemning, and kobe writes
about the efforts to get various clerics to speak up against them, but how is that working? where is that going? i will ask joby and general about the u.s.-iraqi contribution to the rise of isis which i think stems more from they have taken over a lot of basis and equipment that are from the iraqi army. we thought they were better trained and motivated then and turns out to be. so, let's start with you. nelly: that let me start with this question about what we call them in the issue on that ability. , one issue to do with
naming and using religion, i think when we analyze groups is and so on, it is important to understand how religion matters and, more importantly, when it does not matter. this is lacking in the analysis. because sometimes we see religion as paying a medium for a position. something different than theological issues. this is where theology and the efforts to bring in the clerics and give us a three-hour lecture on the islamic tradition and so on is not going to appeal to the young person who is not to motivated simply because of spiritual reasons, but because they really want to do something. this really talks about the recruitment part. here, -- you know, i
to work outneed really what is behind that to recruitment strategy and to understand the phenomenon. my colleagues are doing a broad study of out foreign fighters, looking at a very large database on open source and hopefully that will give us, at some point, some meaningful answers so on.hy people join and roughly, we are seeing, for my own perspective, we are seeing a different kind of people who are is.ing to begy does not seem critical. many young people are converting to join is. ask, isn't islam?
is it a ticket to become becoming jihadi rather than jihadi teeing a ticket to become muslim? this is very important and cannot be stressed enough. say, whatcall it, you do we call them? it is not up to us. the islamicgroups, states, is best described by al announce it.ey al qaeda called it, the group that called itself the islamic state. is a group that is not in and of itself a state. this is a more accurate description. i am cynical about isis, isil. they all contain the islamic state. it does not do it. i would rather call them, the group that calls itself the islamic state. the sensea state in
it is not seeking a seat at the united stations, nor does it want it, nor is it going to have a seat on the united nations. is onthink, you know, it some of these things we need to knowledge how groups define themselves. we cannot decide how they define themselves. when we study them, we have to of knowledge that hard. at the same time, we have to stress the other aspects as well. leave the army, you can create a new acronym that they are quite successful at. joby, final words? iny: you can forgive people the region for having conspiracy theories, including the notion that isis is somehow u.s.-funded or backed in some way. i am always amazed at some pervasive -- at how pervasive some of these theories are.
there are educated people, people who follow the news, who are convinced that isis is a creation of iran. others who think the united states is backing isis in some way. it is a pickup argument. it is remarkable that western equipment, in this case, , all of thisks, left behind by american contractors who imported these toyota trucks. it turns out the security contractors who ran the bases, did the food preparation, did -- this legit -- just logistical stuff, did not take it with them. there was a huge parking lot left. isis liberated them and took them for themselves. you have old divisions worth a of humvees, jeeps, tanks, you name it. best armed,ly the best equipped terrorist organization the world has ever
seen. we had this money because we wanted so much as a country about giving arms to syrian rebels, because god for bid of some of those would fall into the hand of isis, instead, what they did was they raided our own former bases in iraq and took the things for themselves. >> any other burning questions? last one. >> thank you for this discussion. i am alex him and is. i work for the voice of america. my question is about the foreign actors. west too came from the join isis. my question is whether or not you have any information on the possible connection between isis and radical organizations in the west. othersome rightist or
medical organizations. i do not know about this. i mean, in terms of trying to suggest they are infiltrating is from the far right, i think, ideologically that would be very, very difficult unless they s, i doing to penetrate i not see how there could be any kind of ideological sympathy between far-right groups in the west and i.s. i cannot see any sympathies. it at that.eave i think this has been a productive discussion and i have closing recommendations. book and follow nelly
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them. there was so much encrusted myth and misunderstanding i thought it was important to dispel. 8:00 easternht, at on c-span's q&a. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is visiting washington. he visited the center for american progress when he ducked about the israeli-palestinian conflict. of talk about the effect civil war and the spread of militant islam's. conflict. this is one hour. [applause] >> mr. prime minister, mrs. netanyahu, welcome.
thank you for coming to the center for american progress to engage in a dialogue on a range of issues including many areas of concern to progressives as well as all americans. we have disagreed on some issues, including the iran nuclear deal. we also believe deeply that the u.s.-israel relationship is vital. that relationship is critical to both our countries, particularly as the middle east becomes a more unstable and dangerous region. we believe strongly that conversation like this one are an important opportunity to strengthen the relationship. scholars at the center have studied the region closely. we believe please can and must be found for israelis and palestinians so that both people can live with real dignity and security. it will take hard work to build mutual confidence and negotiate difficult compromises, and we really understand that. as prime minister, we thank you for taking questions here,
because the choices you make matter profoundly to israel's future and the future of the region. we believe that matters profoundly to america. would you want to make a statement? prime minister netanyahu: thank you. that reminds me of the israeli ambassador who came back and said do you have anything to declare? he said, yes, i'm happy to be back home. yes, i'd like to make a declaration. i would like you to understand that i have a sore throat, but i'm sure you will discover, have not lost my voice. secondly, i know that my visit here has been a source of some controversy, so i doubly appreciate the invitation. everything you said is something
that is crucial and important. third, i came here because i think it is vital to understand how important it is for me that israel remains an issue of bipartisan consensus. [applause] it is crucial. the relationship with the united states, all parts of the united states and the american people, is a strategic asset to our national security and our future. that is the third reason why i'm happy to be here. the fourth reason is something else. i would like to talk to a
progressive audience about progressive values. i think israel is, at the very least, misunderstood. if you look at all the values and all the rights that you deem important, talking about the rights of women, the rights of gays, the rights of minorities, the rights of arabs, the rights of jews, the rights of people -- these are enshrined in an imperfect society. israel is not perfect. i don't know anyone that is. the one that is facing incredible off with incredible successes. i would like to talk about those values. i would like to talk about our quest for peace. and i'd like to talk about why that quest for peace is not yet it achieved. and i hope you will ask me questions on all of these things, and anything else, if you want.
i have a rule when people come to interview me. i broke my rule because i did not have it here -- it is not my office. in my office, i put out a white board. everyone who asks a question, i write it down, and i go to all the questions. if i don't want to answer, i say i don't want to answer, i want you to know i am fudging that one. at least everyone knows that i am answering a question or not. hopefully i can answer all of your questions and thank you for the invitation. >> thank you. i will follow-up on some of the issues you raised for sure. obviously, you had a meeting with the president yesterday, some disagreement between you and the president. i hope you can share with us a bit of the flavor of the meeting and what concrete tips -- steps came out of it. prime minister netanyahu: it was a very solid meeting. i an not saying it as lip, it was a very good meeting. president obama and i have had over a dozen meetings. more meetings with me then any other leader.
i appreciate that. the time he has invested, the importance he attaches to this relationship, is unique. we have had this disagreement particularly over iran, which is clear, but we have no disagreement now about what we need to do moving forward. three things. number one, holding runs feet to the fire, make sure they abide to their obligations. two, worked to block iran's terror in the region. there are others in the region that practice terror and aggression, like isis. we should work to counter both. third, worked against iran's international terror network that is now spreading to. the president focus yesterday on an mou that is a long-term understanding between israel and united states.
american military assistance to israel that is critical to us. i appreciate his willing to move on tod on that as well as the military age. as you know, there are countries in the region receiving a tremendous amount of military assistance, and it is very important that israel always has -- edge totive age defend itself against any threats. that is a principle the president has repeated many times. appreciated at all times, especially at this time. minister, you mentioned is he values and democracy and the fact that there are arabs who live and work and are citizens of israel.
we appreciate that you came here to talk about tough issues. one incident that struck a nerve with many progressive was statements made during the recent election. said, you said, air about voters were coming out in droves to the players. they were taken aback by that. what do you say to progressives in the united states who worry about that and what it means for israel? prime minister benjamin netanyahu? -- prime minister benjamin netanyahu: that was an error. you may check this, but they voted for me and considerably larger numbers than they voted for the labour party. i was not referring to going to vote, i was speaking about a specific list that was imposed. it should not have been set. a few days later, i called in the arab leaders.
arab leaders, to the prime minister's residence, and i said, i am the prime minister of each of you. statementot want that to go uncorrected. i corrected it and made sure they understand it. what about deeds? what about deeds? you know, i will tell you what happened when i first was elected prime minister in 1996. this is my fourth term. a flood. if lead in israel. there is an arab area that got flooded, because they do not have these tunnels. not tunnels, but sewage tunnels. yes. the whole village was underwater. i went to see it, in and i said, god, that looks awful. like this?is is
they said, it has always been like this. i don't know,in, 30 or 40 million shekels and i built this tunnel and there is not been a flood since. and they said, but prime minister, they are not going to vote for you. in die said, so what? in diapers seated in my administration's to give billions of shekels, aliens of shekels, to the arab sector to reduce the infrastructure, reduce the gaps cap -- to put it in infrastructure, reducing gaps, put transportation inside the arab villages. they cannot get to work because there's no internal transportation in the arab communities. it is unbelievable. i changed that. i put in a lot of money. i put in programs so the arabs can enter the high-tech sector. i did this personally. we did all of that. after the election, this is now
my fourth term, we put in close to one billion shekels. now. just now, with the leaders of the same arab party. so, i am the prime minister of all of israel. those who voted for me, those jews,d not vote for me, arabs, muslims, christians. the words and the numbers for themselves. i think it is worthwhile, since you have scholars, to investigate that. look at the relative investments of different governments. in and, you will discover the truth of what i am saying here. i think that is important. it comes from the political philosophy you would be surprised to hear that i follow. especially the teachings of a man who believed in the idea of an egalitarian state.
he said there, in the jewish the son of flourish arabia, the son of nazareth, and my own son. that is what i believe. i turning to the feature, would like to ask you how you see israel in two decades? do you and vision israel will continue to occupy the west think? will control gaza in 20 years? how do you see the future? prime minister netanyahu: it depends on what is happening in the middle east and in the world. there is a great convulsion. that convulsion is of monumental proportions. it is really a battle between modernity and early medievalism. i was going to say medievalism but my father was a great scholar of the middle ages and this is early medievalism, a
a very primitive and violent the arab and shape muslim world. so far it is taking primarily muslim lives in syria. dead, millions displaced. i cannot tell you what will happen. i think, ultimately, medievalism loses and modernity wins. that is usually the case in the great battles with these fanatic ideologies. naziism lost. but before it went down, it took 50-60 million people. one-third of my own people. militant islam would go down, i'm quite confident. i don't think it could compete with the desire for freedom or the technology of freedom, even though we are using it right now, using the internet, other
things against the other forces. but ultimately, they are in the business of constraining choices, so i think ultimately they will lose. what will happen in the next 20 years, i do not know. but we have to make sure ultimately we are around. it gives us no suck or nor in courage meant -- it gives us no encouragement to have militant islam defeated in a jewish state disappear. we don't want to go through a repetition of the other tragedy. we have to make sure the state of israel is strong and robust. i was prime minister on the 50th anniversary. i may very well be prime minister in the 70th year
anniversary, two years away. i will tell you what happened over the last 20 years. israel has turned into a technological powerhouse. growth.n a century of israel is growing by design. we have created a very friendly economy for this growth. we have, this is a number i always give because it is striking. in 2014, israel received 10% of the global investment in cyber security. in 2015, the number doubled. we are seeing 20% of the investment over the world in cyber security, that is an astounding figure. it also shows exponential growth. i think we will continue that trend to ensure israel grows technologically, the future belongs to those who innovate. another example, water.
we solved our water problem, even though rainfall has roughly been halved since our year of independent. our gdp per capita has grown 40 times, yet we have water surpluses, because we are the number one recycler of water in the world. we recycle roughly 90% of our wastewater. the next runner up is spain, 25%. we have the capacity to shape the future. here is what is happening as a result. because nations understand that the future belongs to those who innovate, we are getting alliances, a lot of alliances. this may not be understood in western europe, but here is what is happening. i am so isolated, as prime minister, i don't have time to see my own can as it members, my own faction, or the other politicians because i have diplomats and heads of state
coming from asia, africa, latin america, and they all want three things. i am talking about small countries, like china, or india, where i will be going soon to visit, or japan. 20 african states that have come and said, come back. come back. come back. countries in latin america. they all want three things. first, israeli technology. second, israeli technology. third, israeli technology. this is a fundamental change that will accelerate in the next 20 years. israel, in the knowledge century, is uniquely poised to multiply its capacity. can we get peace with the palestinians, which is what you are asking me. it depends, one, we are going to
talk about that more. i just wanted to get my commercial in. how great an investment israel is. remember the joke? how do you make a small fortune in israel? start with a big fortune. >> apparently they have not heard this one. prime minister netanyahu: the important thing is, how do we change our fortune with our palestinian neighbors. why is it that we do not have peace. why? well, is it this government, is it me? there were five other prime ministers since this process began. how come they did not make peace? the reason they did not make peace is because the underlying
problem preventing peas is not israel's willingness to make a territorial compromise, even a very generous one. it is that, after gaza, israelis asked the question, do we get a state that lives in peace with us, or do we get a state that seeks to destroy us and fires thousands of rockets at us? israel went through the book. it went by the book. it left gaza to the last square centimeter. it took away all the settlements, took them apart. it even disinterred people from their graves, handed the keys over to abu mazza, who promptly lost it to hamas, even though they were only 3000 strong then and you had 15,000 troops. and you had 15,000 troops. they kicked them out. they have fired 15,000, 16,000
rockets from gaza. the same thing happen with lebanon. lebanon toe left the last squre inch. now we have another proxy in iran, hezbollah, and they fired about 15,000 rockets at us. so israelis ask visible question. if we were to set up a palestinian state, how do we make sure that that state does not become another gaza and is not committed to our destruction and does not work toward our destruction? the answer to that falls into two categories. and these are not conditions for entering talks. i have no conditions for entering talks. you should invite abu mazza here. that is what you should do. invite him and me. i am sitting here, i'm willing to wait. we will see if he comes. i am willing to enter the talks without any conditions. for the last seven years, abu mazza spoke to me for six hours,
that's it. how can you make progress on the issues on about to talk about, if you do not talk? that doesn't mean the charges are not leveled at us, but they always are. these are facts. in order to avoid another gaza, which is the opposite of peace, you need two things. first, you have to make sure that the palestinian state that is formed is not committed to israel destruction. that it ends all demands, recognizes israel, and does not seek to flood it with descendents of refugees, anymore than i would seek to flood a palestinian state with the sentence of settlers. do you agree, mr. abbas? refuses to answer. that is what we mean by a nationstate state of the jewish people. palestinians go there, if they choose. jews go to israel, if they choose. can we have that each will recognition of two nationstates?
the second thing is, what happens if things go awry? what happens if this territory is taken over, like the way gaza was. then we need a long-term security presence to ensure that does not happen. right now, i don't see any other force. i don't see any other force. i mean, who is going to do it? austrian peacekeepers? we tried that in the golan heights. these two conditions of mutual recognition and security arrangements, i think, do we see that likely right now in the immediate future? no. is this the right form, down the line? yes. will it happen? i'm not sure the palestinians
will accept it by themselves, but because of the change that is happening in the region, because there is a huge change happening in the region, it might be that leading arab countries might encourage future palestinian leadership, or even this one, to accept that kind of deal. if that happens, israelis would go for it. they would go for something that they thought was mutual recognition and that was secure. >> with respect, i think, -- a lot of progressives think, in the u.s. and around the world -- that israel is not currently acting neutrally, that it has been acting vis-a-vis peace, and acting through the advancement and expansion of settlements, the idea that there has been a steady growth of settlements that are strategically placed, understanding that they are placed to make the palestinian state more difficult, or that it has that result.
what do you say to those concerns, that the settlement expansion is actually something that is making peace more difficult? prime minister netanyahu: two things. first, factually, there have been no new settlements built in the last 20 years. even before i became prime minister the first time. the additions are in existing communities. the map does not materially change. by the way, google this. this is repeated ad nauseam, so it assumes that it is a self-evident truth that they were gobbling up land. the total amount of built up land is just a few percent. and the addition, if you look over time, it is maybe a fraction -- maybe 1/10 of 1%.
maybe 3/10 of 1%. that is the land that is being gobbled up. that should not be something that is debated, and yet, it has become an axiom that we are in gobbling up land, but that is not true. here is what the actual statics is of construction are. 5000 units a year, 1800 units a year, olmert, 1700 units a year, my government has built 1500 units a year. that is a fact. ok? that is not subject to question. statistics, in our case, are not in any way influenced by political manipulation. this is an independent authority and was quoted in one of the papers that most supported me "haaretz." it is a fact. ok.
so, the settlements are there. the growth in the settlements has not affected the potential map for peace. third, it is an issue that can be resolved, but i don't think it is the core issue. coreeason it isn't a issue. my grandfather always said this. the conflict was back to 1920. my grandfather came on a boat in 1920, landed in jaffna, went to the immigration people in jerusalem. that office was hit a few months later by arab attackers. they killed six or seven jews, including a great writer. brenner. then we had riots in 1921, 1929 in the ancient jewish community
, 1936, 1947, and 1948. there was no settlement. then this continued into 1967. deathe had a noose of placed around us. this is 47 years, 1920 until 1967. half a century. there cannot be territories because there were not any. now we get in there. they keep on attacking us. i am telling you that the real issue is a -- the palestinians are divided, one have living in gaza, overtaken by militant islamist, and the other half in the west bank refuses to confront them. and when i say to abu mazza, for god's sake, recognize the jewish state already, as i recognize the palestinian state, and for god's sake, let's talk about long-term security arrangements,
so we have those two acres for real peace. he will not do it. the settlements could be resolved in that conflict easily. easily. well, not that easily, but not that hard either. >> i think one of the issues is, you say there have been 1500 a year. i hear there are less. but why continue with them? prime minister benjamin netanyahu: people live there. they are human beings. you do not say all the firstborn, throw them on the other side of the green line. they are living there. they are living in three blocks primarily. that is where most of the construction is taking place. i know it is common to say that this is the belgian congo, but they have been living there for
4000 years, and so do arabs. i don't say, we will throw you out. there is massive arab construction that is against all slow -- it is not important right now. nobody says, how come they are building in disputed land? there is this ethnic cleansing idea. what is this business? why do we have arabs living in the galilee, everywhere in the knesset, in the supreme court, full civic rights, not a perfect society. but in the middle east, the only ones that enjoy the rights of a democratic society. nobody questions that. we don't question that. certainly i don't. yet the idea of a palestinian state, it has to be human rights, it has to be clear, there cannot be any jews there. what is this? what kind of standard is this, that the world accepts, and progressives? you don't want that. i think you should ask these questions to the courts. i see gays for gaza.
or, i don't know -- gays for iran. the people who do that are the people who would murder them. hang them. your fate is sealed in gaza. host: we are not making equivalents. prime minister netanyahu: forgive me for being so clear. i think there is something fundamentally wrong. we have made enormous sacrifices for peace. statements the "two people" speech, he has not gone to his own people. we are not going back. and israel is here to stay by right. i did and no prime minister has done it before. he would not come to the table. i did other things which were
harder. like releasing prisoners, which was probably the hardest decision, it did not help. it did not help them get to the table. it didn't helpt launch the negotiations we want. absolve me. in the middle east, what is driving the conflict is the battle between modernity and early medievalism. it is not the palestinian-israeli conflict.
that is a larger civilizational battle. between the israelis and palestinians, what is driving the conflict and still driving it is the persistent refusal to recognize a nationstate for the jewish people and boundaries, that remains the problem. if you want to solve the problem, address the problem. do not address what is not the problem, address the problem. it is not settlements, it is the refusal to accept the jewish state. if you have a willingness to accept the jewish state, you will solve the settlement problem. host: i want to follow on comments in the region and ask you about what is happening in syria, the recent actions by russia, the nature of the region, hugely unsettling but i would love your views on that topic.
prime minister netanyahu: it is a very complicated tapestry. i think you should ask mr. putin why he is doing what he is doing. but, i think he said that he wants to bolster that regime, he says he wants to prevent islamic fighters from going back to us. -- back to russia. i went to see him and i said, the first thing we have to make sure is our fighters do not start turning on each other, or we shoot down your aircraft batteries and he said, i agree. so we agreed on this horrible
jargon, de-confliction. i think it was the same procedure two weeks later between the american military and russian military. second thing i said, look, i have not intervened, is really has not intervened. principally because i'm not sure which intervention is preferable and if i'm not sure, i don't do it. if syrian territory is used to fire, we fire back. and we put our army and position more than once. secondly, if iran wants to establish a second front as it has established in lebanon, we will take forceful action, as we have. third, if iran and hezbollah
want to use syrian territory to transfer arms, very lethal arms, from syria to lebanon, we will take action, as we have. fourth, if we do not see it, we could take action against syrian arms, but we do see it. if it went through, it does not prevent us -- if we did not see it going into lebanon, we could take action in syria to degrade the inventories that could be passed in the future. so he heard that. and i think it was a clear conversation. and this is the policy we are following, as far as syria is concerned, i cannot tell you. if you can put humpty dumpty back together again, i doubt it. if there is a solution out there, that restores and stops
carnage, that is fine with us, newwe want to make sure the syrias with an "s" are not used against us. host: you have made the point and you are right, israel is a rare democracy and a dangerous neighborhood. democracies around the world agree that no one is above the law. i want to acknowledge that we very much condemn the heinous knife attacks targeting israelies that continue today in recent weeks. we were all taken with the recent story of the israeli-american working for peace who was attacked and he stand against acts of violence, as the president said yesterday. so we stand with you in that area.
innocent palestinians have also been killed, extremist killed three members of a family and an arson attack in a village this summer. including an 18 month old baby, they have not been prosecuted. people have questions about that. i would love for you to explain what is happening. prime minister netanyahu: sure. when you had that attack, which is uncommon, but is horrible. i went to the hospital. i went to the baby boy, the baby palestinian boy. aid that we would shoulder any expense to take care of the family. unfortunately, the parents died. i did then something that israeli prime minister has done, i issued an administrative detention on israeli citizens,
hat is, you actually can put them under arrest without trial. because i thought that this was such, something we have to fight with, such ferocity, that i was illing to break this precedent and we did. the problem with this is this is not an organized network. typically the way you discover terrorist attacks or criminal angs is that they have hierarchies and they have communications, so modern state, israel is a very modern a. it cracks that sometimes quickly, sometimes over time. when you encounter something that is not structured at that level and you can have 15, 16-year-olds, you're not sure.
but you don't communicate. they are very clever and obviously have been, you know, have figured out whatever the achilles heel is and just avoid any communication, then it's very hard to catch them. we have cracked lesser crimes, somebody did damage to a church in the galilee and we cracked hat. we cracked, actually others, but this is the most violent act. that's the reason we haven't cracked it. i don't want to get into a discussion of our measures but they are legion and it is difficult precisely because it is not structured. that's the problem. ost: there is a concern that
secular violence has not been prosecuted, that the vast majority of cases against palestinians have not been prosecuted, what do you say to that? prime minister netanyahu: it is not too. -- not true. we do not have a policy with them. look at the violence. we had this horror for this particular family, but we've had families burnt, molotov cocktails a woman walking with her husband and two children, the husband is knifed to death, the woman tries to rescue her hildren, she is assaulted. i've seen drive-bys where rocks are thrown into passengers in thed my tholve jerusalem and the guy dies, goes into a ravine. i have seen horrible things. there's no comparison. you can't hide violence. it's not as if they go in and kill someone and it is a secret. we are a country of law and a country of transparency, so there's no comparison.
it is not symmetrical or equivalent, but what is illegal is illegal. we prosecute even if somebody paints graffiti or takes down olive trees, it is a crime. but i would not put it on the same level as duma. duma is real. nd there are many dumas on the alestinian side of the ledger. they try. they do not succeed all the time. so i do not think there is a symmetry. there is no symmetry in israeli and palestinian societies, we do not teach our children to -- we don't send them to suicide kindergartens and camps, we do not teach them that we have to obliterate palestine. we do not name our public squares after mass murderers. when we had, on the few occasions we had mass murderers like geeled steyn, we
excoriated, we all condemned him. from the right to the left. but the public square in ramallah is named after a killer who murdered hundreds of innocent jews. there's a difference in values. they glorify these people. e don't. so there is an asymmetry that produces this glorification of terror and right now what we see is a layer above that, or below that and that is the internet is meeting militant islam in the hearts and minds of children and teenagers and driving them to believe this fantastic fabrication, we will tear down the mosque, build a second or third temple. it is insane. you say, how can people believe that -- they believe it. if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes true.