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influence on the 2016 presidential campaign. as always, we take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. -- "washington journal" is next. ♪ host: the u.s. flag is at half staff this morning on the capital building and it all federal and military facilities across the united states, as well as the u.s. consulates and embassies around the world. it will remain at half staff until thursday at sunset to honor the victims of last week's paris. in the house and senate are scheduled to be in senate -- in session later today. some american lawmakers and state governors are concerned that would be attackers could find their way into the united states by posing as syrian
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refugees. several members of congress are calling on the white house to halt plans to allow tens of thousands of refugees into the united states over the next 12 months. we are asking our viewers to weigh in on that question. should the u.s. close its borders to syrian refugees? our phone lines are open if you want to join us for this discussion. democrats can call in at [indiscernible] -- democrats can call in at (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 784-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. you can also find us on facebook, twitter, or e-mail. a very good monday morning to you. most major papers leading with the news about france hitting targets in syria.
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france targeting isis militants in syria. below that on the front page of the "usa today," the debate on syrian refugees is playing out. "white house and congress clash over syrian refugees" is the headline. ."he washington post the front page of the "washington times." "obama, u.s. still open to refugees." we are talking about this debate over syrian refugees. it played out on the sunday shows yesterday. ben rhodes is the deputy national security advisor to the white house. he was asked if the president was reconsidering his plan to allow syrian refugees into the united states. [video clip] >> we are still planning to take in syrian refugees.
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we have very robusta vetting procedures for those refugees. it involves intelligence, national counterterror, extensive interviews. what we need to be able to do is sort out those people who have gone into syria and come out and want to launch attacks or those who have had connections with isil in syria. at the same time, we have to recognize, there are tragic victims of this conflict. there are orphans of this war. we need to provide them a safe haven. host: lawmakers on capitol hill and state chief executives are concerned about syrian refugees entering the united states in light of the paris attacks. here's a statement from alabama's governor.
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"i will oppose any attempt to refugees toian alabama through the u.s. refugee admissions program." governor rick snyder in michigan. he is quoted by fox affiliate in a story there. members of congress also waiting in -- weighing in. michael mccaul is one of the chief national security voices. he was on meet the press yesterday. [video clip] >> there are a lot of gaping holes. there are a lot of foreign fighters. fighters000 foreign
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that have traveled to the region and come back. hundreds of americans have traveled and many have come back , as well. i think that is a direct threat. when you get to the syrian refugee issue, we think two of these terrorists were actually syrian refugees. this causes a grave concern. we don't want to be complicit with a program that could bring in potential terrorists into the united states. i disagree with ben rhodes. i have been briefed by the fbi and homeland security and they tell me this cannot be properly done. noted that there is no international database. the report actually blames europe, that there is not enough cooperation with some of our european allies. can this get up and running fast? >> it has to. france is ahead of the curve because they know with the
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threat really is. the european parliament needs to pass legislation. you can fly in from istanbul airport in turkey where the foreign fighters go and not even be checked past the watchlist in europe. when you talk about visa waiver , that is where the homeland gets implicated. host: congressman michael mccaul , chairman of the homeland security committee. members of congress sending out tweets over the weekend expressing their concerns. candice miller. marsha blackburn, republican of tennessee. lou barletta, also a member of
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the homeland security committee. as we said, the investigation into those attacks is still early and ongoing, but the piece of evidence that has sparked much of this concern stems from a syrian passport being found by one of the dead militants. that greecenoting has confirmed that that country was crossed through the eastern agn island of -- aegean island of leros.
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that is what caused some of this concern this weekend. this will be playing out on capitol hill when congress returns. the house and senate expected to be in later today. eric is up first in hyattsville, maryland. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: my comment is that the united states of america is a very, very generous country. you know. i think that the duty of the president is first to defend the constitution and the citizens of this country. and oneve 99 good ones who can be a terrorist, is it because the a risk
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president wanted to satisfy his political agenda? we don't even know how many illegals we have here. i'm very concerned. i'm very concerned. thank you very much. is up next in gaithersburg, maryland. democrats line. caller: good morning. thanks for allowing me to make a comment. i believe that the refugees -- that we should still have a program to allow them into the country. i recognize that terrorists can slip in through refugees, as they can in a variety of ways. crisis that the refugee was not caused because terrorists were plotting, but by a civil war caused in syria. thatow that 100 --
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hundreds of thousands of people are being displaced. we should not turn our backs on them because evil people are doing things. host: dan is up next. caller: how are you doing? host: good. caller: i thought that bill clinton was the worst president we've ever had. obama is 20 times worse. are aboutot kill -- c the american people. there is no need for me to repeat what the person already said. it is insane. what about american people? how much money is this going to cost in medicaid, welfare, food stamps. is anyone thinking about housing?
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who is going to pay? you and i will. it is a sad day in our country. the rest of the world laughs at us. hillary clinton is just an extension. we need donald trump. someone with a backbone and someone who is not spineless. host: you mentioned hillary clinton. this issue of what to do about the massive amount of syrian refugees fleeing that country came up in the democratic debate on saturday night. here is a bit from hillary clinton's answer when she was asked about what the united states should do about syrian refugees. [video clip] i think that is the number one requirement. i said that we should take increased numbers of refugees. the administration said 10, i said we should go to 65. but only if we have as careful screening process as we can imagine. i do not want us to
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inadvertently allow people who wish us harm to come into our country. host: that question played out in several parts of that debate on saturday night, happening just a day after those attacks in paris. should the united states close its borders to syrian refugees? give you a sense of the scale of the crisis in europe. those fleeing and trying to get into europe. the eastern mediterranean route -- 359,000 people trying to get through borders in europe from january through september of this year. the top nationalities using that eastern mediterranean route, syrians making up the bulk of that. 240 9000 people from january to 000 people from9,
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january to september. the number of syrian asylum applications to france on a monthly basis. the numbers creeping up from 2008-2009 and spiking with the course of the syrian civil war. you can see those two charts. the number on the left, using the eastern european route. loretto is up in ohio. the line for independents. caller: good morning. i don't think we should bring the syrians here. it is not syrians -- it is the people that follow the koran. if they follow the koran, they are raised to hate the christians and the jews. ,f we have to bring immigrants why don't we bring the
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christians that they are cutting their heads off and make this a christian country again? as far as bedding them, they tting them,- ve they cannot vet the tsa workers. they did not even know their first names. 73 of them was associated with terrorist groups. if we have to bring somebody here, let it be the christians they are killing in camp's over there. host: how do you do that? is it just a question of asking them whether they are christian or muslim? how do you figure that out? , if they would say follow the koran, they are out to kill us. they are everywhere. they showed a map of the muslims that are over here already. they are just biding their time. it will happen here.
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they hate us. the ones that follow the koran. it does not matter where they come from. if they follow the koran, they hate us. why should we bring them over here. you know good and well they could not even vet the tsa workers. host: loretto in ohio. "the washington post" story about the syrian refugee crisis. several presidential candidates have called for christian refugees to receive different treatment than muslim refugees. we are going to keep taking your calls. robert is in washington dc on
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the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you. allow me to clarify something. might raise some eyebrows here. i am a republican in terms of family values, in terms of values in fiscal policy. that the syrians or any refugees should be placed right there in syria. there is a big space. [indiscernible] believe that we take the people who are and so on.
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the reason for this is that the united states and europe -- [indiscernible] host: robert, you're going in and out a little bit. robert. before we lose you, your first point, were you saying we don't need to bring syrians into the united states, but do a better job of creating safe spaces within syria? caller: in saudi arabia. emirs. the amir especially the kingdoms we protect, like saudi arabia. the united states -- when i blame on this situation is u.s. and european for a policy. --t remember that
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[indiscernible] people are going to react sooner or later. they will do a terrible thing. there are things that -- [indiscernible] host: robert, you are going in and out again. we mentioned some of the republican presidential candidates who have been commenting on this issue. one of those was ben carson on fox news yesterday. he was asked about this yesterday. [video clip] bringing people into this country from that area of the world is a huge mistake. why wouldn't they infiltrate them with people who are ideologically opposed to us? it would be foolish for them not to do that. we need to be very compassionate , understand that these people have been displaced, and we should use our expertise and resources to get them resettled
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over there and to support them over there, but to bring them here, under these circumstances is a suspension of intellect. the reason the human brain has isse big frontal lobes because we can engage in rational thought processing. we can extract information from the past, present -- process it and projected into a plan. animals have big brain stems and rudimentary things because we react. we don't have to just react. we can think. host: a few tweets that have been coming in over the course of our show already. "we cannot allow open borders. that would be dangerous and crazy." "muslim countries should take them in. " "the u.s. should have borders closed now, as soon as possible." we already showed you tweets from members of congress.
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we are expected to have them back in session later today, both the house and the senate. this issue will likely be a topic of conversation. it will be a formal topic of conversation and a subcommittee hearing that has been scheduled for this coming thursday. there is a hearing on thursday on the syrian refugee crisis and u.s. security,r as noted by "usa today." michael is up next in fredericksburg, virginia. independents line. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. it is a very unfortunate situation, what the syrians are growing -- going through. we also have to protect our borders and make sure that our allies in the middle east take those refugees in. syrianve not taken one
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refugees and their economies are built on migrant workers. the syrians would be able to integrate very easily. if not, the idea of a safe haven within syria. at the end of this war, there will be many syrias and there should be a protected area, where the syrians can live peacefully. i voted for obama and i have been so disappointed because everything he has said about isis has been wrong. if you look at how much territory they have, the economy, and it is islamic. it is very islamic. there is no political correctness about this. if you talk about who is drawn therefrom the west, which people leave their countries and they go to serve in a caliphate, what they believe is going to be a caliphate, they are taking a very literal explanation of his and they arelam
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abiding by it. please call your congressman and say you do not want to take in syrian refugees, you want to but obamaituation, and the state department with hillary clinton as the head has done a terrible job. i cannot trust her and i cannot trust obama with anything they have done in the middle east. host: are you still with us? caller: yes, im. host: your thoughts on which one of the candidates is saying the right things on this issue. do you think this will be a key issue for the election? guest: i think the security -- caller: i think the security of be aorders is going to huge issue. anyone who is going to secure do a reals and vetting process for immigration is going to get my vote. i think donald trump says things
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bombastic late and it is a little too much, but he is the one who brought this issue on the table. more current events are showing that it is an issue. rand paul, i like rand paul. i think we need to do things differently with our immigration policy. we have a very peaceful muslim population. we don't want to radicalize our muslim population. problem that the france and other countries have. why would we jeopardize our security? host: that is michael in fredericksburg, virginia. on theighing in editorial page of the "washington post" today is former republican presidential candidate mitt romney. he writes in his piece that it is clear.
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on to say that the west must stop the insanity of welcoming hundreds of thousands of people from the middle east. women, children, and the elderly, perhaps. several of those on twitter .ollowing the conversation
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we have about a half hour left. we are asking our viewers to weigh in. close the united states its borders to syrian refugees. doug is in florida on the democrat's line. caller: i have a novel idea. let's take all of the mail refugees, 15-50, train them, armed them, and stick them back to defend their own country. florida.t is doug in we will get back to your calls in just a minute. we have a frequent voice on this program to help us. good morning. has this shaken up the schedule for congress this coming week? how will they be dealing with a
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terrorist attacks? guest: it is good to be with you. so far, we have not seen the kind of scheduling announcements or changes that one might expect in the wake of an event like the terror attacks in paris. that is partly because congress was on recess when the incident happened. i think that what is going to be happening and what your viewers can look forward to, as can lawmakers and their staffs, is that there is going to be a fairly quick succession of scheduling of hearings, both in the house and the senate, both open and closed sessions, as is customary in these matters. the senate intelligence committee, for instance, meets regularly every tuesday and thursday afternoon anyway
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enclosed session. one would expect that the terror attacks in paris and the response and the actions that have been taking place throughout europe over the weekend are going to be first and foremost on the agenda for the intelligence committee on tuesday. you should expect no shortage of other briefings and hearings related to that. as for the floor schedule, we have not seen some sort of or any sort of immediate reaction, in terms of changing the floor schedule as a result. however, one of the items that had been rumored for consideration in the senate for a test vote at some point this week -- there is a rumor that was advanced by democrats that there is a possibility that
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there could be legislation regarding immigration sanctuary cities, which are those communities that don't necessarily enforce all federal immigration laws. i think that if that is the term that is taken, there would be more debate about the question you were talking about. host: one issue that congress has very much been involved in is guantanamo bay, cuba, the the white house efforts to shut the prison down. the pentagon transferred five yemeni detainees who had been held for more than a decade guantanamo bay to the united arab emirates. that was announced yesterday. do you think congress will be picking up on this issue this coming week? guest: the guantánamo issue has had a group ofas
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republican lawmakers that have already been very engaged, themcularly the three of are senator tim scott from south carolina, senator pat roberts from kansas, and cory gardner from colorado, who are republican senators who are all from states where there were sites that were surveyed for possible sites for housing detainees currently at gitmo. isould say one of the issues there was -- that is going to become an issue throughout the week, whenever that announcement comes. but there was some talk and a lot of people expected that the guantánamo closure executive action or whatever it might have been would have come last week, while congress was away. now, president obama is
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overseas. it is possible the announcement could come while he is overseas. changedg seems to have with the timeline on gitmo. it is not clear that there is going to be anything to host: what are the key deadlines this week that congress is facing? is the schedule does not change, one of the key issues? the scheduler changes or not, they will have to advance at least a short-term patch continuing funding for highway programming, which runs out at the end of the week. the current stopgap extension period negotiators, from the various transportation related committees, have been working on putting together a compromise highway bill.
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your viewers are probably going to remember the house passed its version of the highway bill just before recess. they have to pass at least a short-term extension. the house schedule for today, monday, has a note about extension.ort-term is the real thing that has to be done in one form or another before lawmakers can depart for the holiday. host: of course, viewers can go to roll call to check out all of niel and his coworkers good work. we are taking calls for about the next half hour or so on this discussion, should be u.s. close its borders to syrian refugees.
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niels mentioned that president overseas ats meetings and turkey. there is a story about the united states and president obama's efforts to reach out to russia in the wake of the attacks in paris. that story noting that president obama ann wagner putin agreed -- putin agreedour after meeting in turkey on a broad process for resolving the syrian war. that story includes a photo of president obama meeting with but in the -- vladimir putin meeting with two other visors. you can see that photo in "the wall street journal" and several other papers as well. in new up next
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hampshire. good morning, you are on "the washington journal." caller: i see this as a result of president obama, when he drew the red line in the sand in syria. once the regime in syria will cross that redline, the u.s. did nothing at all. there were no consequences. then, isis saw that the u.s. was week, and decided they would do as much as we can to get our next u.s. president elected. in my opinion, the u.s. should close their borders, and europe should close their borders. twitter, the marathon bombing is proof that we did not very well from eastern europe, but no concerns heard about there. nathan is next. caller: i heard, maybe you can
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confirm, that the first refugees arrived in new orleans. maybe you can confirm that for us. host: we will look into that for you and the status of the syrian refugee program. this is certainly something that congress will take a hard look at this week. there is a committee meeting scheduled for thursday. go ahead. caller: dick durbin called for 100,000. of course, i want to say, if we do take some, i want them in bernie sanders' vermont, georg georgetown with hillary, chevy chase, maryland with chris matthews. i want them sent to these places where the white liberals live. it is these people that have no contact with other people of other races that are the most compassionate. that is all you have to do, get up and make a moral posture.
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that is the danger. 85% of the people marching into europe are men, standing behind messages of the left. for some strange reason, are left supports this. it is mostly men. it is an invasion. there are thousands of christians being spotted in nigeria, sudan. we are a christian majority nation, and will not do anything for brothers and sisters. it is absolutely insane. the people who run the media, there is such a disconnect. they really are nuts. one final point. our country has a history of halting migration. we forget this. at different times in history, we have halted migration because of different things going on in europe. 100 years ago, we halted mass migration from germany forever,
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in 1914, because of the buildup of militarism and the threat of a world war. we could not allow germans to come here. even the vast majority would have been peaceloving. we did not have to have homeland security, we did it with the coast guard, the fbi. ii, there was a german movement, we had to root them out. we did not allow germans people to come to this country through ellis island in world war ii. europe was on fire. there were battalions that came loved it,would have but we cannot allow it because just one or two fascist members could have done damage to an airplane factory, or something. host: let me ask you a question. this is a story that was posted yesterday afternoon -- despite
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rumors indicating that thousands of syrian refugees had arrived in new orleans, the u.s. state department reported that only 14 syrian nationals have resettled in louisiana since generally one. that story from the times-picayune. to the number of young syrian country, thisat according to "the washington ," less than one quarter are men over the age of 18. trying to give you some numbers to go along with your comments as well. let's go to tom and maryland -- in maryland. caller: i believe we should provide a safe zone for the people over there, who are fleeing the war. caused a situation here
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by the invasion of iraq, partially, and other situations over there. so may different factions are fighting in syria. who are outlets are. if united states but troops over there, we don't know -- we would be fighting each other, we don't know who we are fighting. we do not know what you are asking for. we have a bunch of clowns calling themselves presidential candidates. can looknow how they at republican candidates, and consider them a viable option. these people have no idea about what to do with anything. wants,ing this president they are against. what do we do? we are fighting isis over there and isis in the white house.
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i do not know what we do. we are in trouble. i is all i can tell you. said, this debate over what to do with syrian refugees came up and the democratic debate on saturday night. here is former governor mayor ,artin o'malley on the stage talking about his plan, what he would do for the syrian refugees. [video clip] i was the first on the stage theay we should welcome 65,000 syrian refugees fleeing the murder of isil. i believe that needs to be done .ith the proper screening of course, the white house saying 10,000 is the number projected. this debate over what to do with
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the syrian refugees also playing out and europe, well before the syrian bombings, but also before. saying, angela merkel was already under fire for her open stance on immigration and -- ing warned that in las vegas,xt nevada, by for republicans. caller: it is obvious that president obama is totally out of touch with the american people. i understand that his chief advisor is actually from syria. go figure.
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if they let these people in, it is nothing but a disaster, a regular trojan horse. thank you. host: christopher is from pennsylvania on her line for democrats. good morning. caller: hello and good morning. i'm calling, and one part, to say that i have lived with someone from syria who was a refugee. i lived with him for half the year in romania. one of the sweetest and kindest people i have met. he has lost almost all of his family. for someone who has never lived with somebody of another race or something, it does not make any sense. we have basically gone through the song and dance from people from all over the world -- refugees, immigrants, it is not the first time we have to deal with the situation. we have the ability to take care of people. third, if you really, really
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care about the situation in syria, or the refugee issue, you will care about wanting to find a diplomatic and to this conflict. it has been for years that this war is going on. we have very little international legal standards to help it. if you really care about helping the 60% there are in right now, the vast majority, you will have to help neighbors like jordan, lebanon, turkey that have taken the vast amount. it is sad. it is shameful. until we deal with the situation head-on in syria, we are going to continue to have these questions, -- talking about racism, using race baiting, and how you don't know who these people are, they will, get you, it is just another bogeyman soument that has been used often. it is depressing and sad.
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host: bonnie is up next from west virginia, life are independents. caller: good morning. i have to disagree with that guy that was just on there. in -- until all they bonded next-door neighbor. here is the thing. we do need to close the borders. we need to help these muslim people and people that are trying to get away from the war over there by putting them in a country where assimilation will be easier, when acclimatized to people with the same believes. not that them in a country like here. that is one thing. the other thing is someone else said this morning, let's drop them off in hillary's backyard, or one of those people who has a total disconnect of what is in the public. they don't go to the malls, they don't go to the gas stations, they don't go to games, they don't go to nascar, they don't do these sorts of things. we are the ones at ground zero.
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i do think we should stand up to this sort of thing. this man has no good intentions for our country. this is obvious based on, "oh, let them all in." divided, we fall. host: before you go, can i ask you, do you have a particular concern about assimilation, and whether these refugees are capable of assimilating. is the only syrian refugees or other immigrant groups from around the world not responding to what you describe as american culture? caller: i came from immigrant parents just like everybody else on this continent. one thing i will say is it is not about who comes here, it is about how they come here, and what is their intent. we know these people want to kill less. we know that. there is no way around it. i don't care what kind of
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bleeding heart you have -- death to america is pretty obvious. i don't know what your political program is, you can get that, it is english, spoken mostly in this country. death to america. about italians, or whoever else. it is about people who want to kill less. we have no way to figure out who they are, or where they are coming from until it is too late . and, they blew up them all, isn't that a shame. you know, this is not the way this country is. this country is for might and right. the reason we are the country we is if you are going to do that to us, watch out, we are a big, sleeping lion. and: jody on twitter rights
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that we keep making their of origin are battlefield, we are more guilty than they are, and have been for 14 years. here are the front pages to show you. this is the new york times this morning -- france strikes isis targets in syria in retaliation for attacks on paris. host: one other front page to show you is the front page of .he guardian this morning the headline starting to talk about the names and stories of the victims that were in the paris attacks. brenda is up next from nashville, tennessee. caller: good morning to you.
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is -- ournt government is completely insane. for them to actually think they can we through -- weed through thinkese people and one bad apple is not going to get involved in it. i have nothing against nobody, i don't care where they come from, but when you have people that are already intentionally wanting to merge eu, they don't do it. strap aa person can bomb on themselves and kill themselves in order to kill you, that is dangerous to me. inead the honor code national geographic, i think i don't1 years ago -- know who the guy was doing the of the muslim people over there, but they were saying
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, we come in to destroy you. if there is something we want, we will take it. understand, i don't obama. terrified tolly think that he would put his people and that much jeopardy. i think it is just wrong. that is all i have to say. maine,om is up next from line for republicans beer good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. during world war ii, it to the brightest generals in the world to invade the beaches of france on d-day. i'm just wondering if we would have sought like isis does, why would we not arrange
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to go in the country, and invade them after being there for a while, we could have saved thousands of lives. these people are getting brought .n us, like the rest of europe, and everything to invade france. these people are going all over europe. we will pay them welfare, and all this stuff. isis is doing it now. the jv team,ey are but everyone who goes to harvard thinks that everyone else is the jv team anyway. host: we will go to scott and
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pennsylvania, independent line. caller: good morning. i just wanted to say that we invaded iraq under this idea ont it is a war weapons of mass destruction, and the me find nothing. then, we make iraqis leave, then we give them all their weapons, and they create this thing called isis. then, there is a president of syria that does not want to abide by our rules, and then russia attacks isis, and actually does something, which we can't stand. then, a plane gets shot down, ing inere is a bomb lebanon, and another in france.
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when does this end? where do these attacks finally and? this is groundhog day, perpetual war. this will never stop. wanting powerop and dominance, stick with your own country. build some highways. our jobs are all going to third world countries. .alks about tpp nafta destroyed us with clinton. it is not about the president. the president is an anti-suit. it is about the people above the president, whether in europe, the federal reserve. push thet there to orders. host: the christian science aonitor front page story --
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rush to barricade the borders. there is a look at the front page. inside one of the quotes, they a syrian refugee, gary.g to enter hun he said, we test all of these obstacles, and arrived to find a steel wall, what do we do now? john is up next from wisconsin on the line for independents. good morning. caller: good morning. i just have a few things to say. why not take these migrants that it shows they-- want to come here and go other places. american public
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don't want them here. fornot train them to fight their own government. that is what we have to do. bring ining to the wrong element if we go along with this. nobody wants those people here. why not take them and train them. i look at television, and see all these young people. andg enough to be soldiers go over there and defend their country. why bring them here? host: let me ask you. there is a tweet that cavemen saying, the problem is not that refugees, it is the foreign policy of meddling that creates them. what do you think? caller: i do not think it is so much the policy. they can form their own policy. i think they should go be able to fight for their own country. that's all. host: time for a few more calls, if you want to join us this morning. again, democrats, (202) 748-8000
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. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 745-8002. if you are outside the u.s., it is (202) 748-8003. a story in "the washington post" noting that the eiffel tower has been closed in the wake of the attack. it will be on when reopened. there is a picture of armed guards around the eiffel tower. another picture shows a scene at the eiffel tower. some other notable landmarks in paris that were closed, at least yesterday include the louvre, disneyland paris, and versailles all closed yesterday in the wake of the attacks on friday. back to the phones. mustafa is in washington, d.c. caller: good morning. i'm a fellow marine, i fought in this country for almost 20
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years. my problem is that we should allow them to come here because this country has done so much to other countries -- i'm from washington, d.c. for the ones who sit up. and point the finger at the obama mr. asian, this thing has been going on since 2011. we have issues today. this thing has been going on much longer than 15 years ago. it has been going on forever. obama has only been in for eight years. they can come in this country because this country is based on immigration, migration, the whole kit and caboodle. host: on twitter, i hope we are
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taxing the hel out of the military complex, they are making millions. ljim, go ahead. caller: your problems are you have with the full situation is sitting right behind you. those people that work in the building every day -- hello? host: i'm listening. caller: those people that sit in a building every day are so divorced from what happens on the other side of this country, it's pitiful. you had the so-called arab spring. exists. longer syria is in turmoil because of the so-called arab spring. the telenav before you who said he was a marine -- mustafa, he said don't claim that obama and administration, who the hell can you blame? the world's most intelligent woman? is there me ask you,
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presently candidate running right now the don't think is divorced? caller: they don't follow the labor laws. host: go ahead. is there a presidential candidate that you feel is not divorced? caller: i think they are all divorced from reality. they are hooked up to wall street. the politicians are so divorced from what is going on. it is pitiful. u.n. of being terrible the people. you go walk into mexico, they will put you in jail if you are not authorized. why can't we do the same? host: chari is up next from indiana. go ahead. caller: good morning. i've been listening to the comments, and it really saddens my heart how people of this country are so devoid of her
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memory how isa started. this was started from a bogus iraq war after 9/11. we created this unstable condition in that part of the world. we took out saddam hussein, who fall to the purposes west and awful human being, did atrocities to so many people, but was able to keep this type of thing from happening. now, we feel like we have no responsibility for the chaos we created. for the lives that we shattered and scattered, and the hatred that was traded from this. this country was founded on people who came here and eradicated the native americans for their way of life. inhave our own terrorists our own country. we have sandy hook, the limbic, in georgia, people sitting in a
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bible study being murdered. we have people going to theaters being murdered. why do we think the only other people can do these types of things when it is proven every day in this country that we have a problem here. it is a people problem. it is a heart problem. we go in and create a mess, and then we step back and say, look up bad they are, we can't do anything. we did this to those people. we oh some type of responsibility to help them. i don't know if letting people ,n this country is the answer but we do have an accountability problem. thank you. tweet.ne more it says, it is the policy, we invade and kill and ruin countries, causing a massive refugee crisis, and then say, we don't want them here.
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up next, we will be joined by of "our time" to talk about millennial's. then, we will be joined by dick carpenter to talk about civil asset forfeiture. we will be right back. ♪ >> all persons having business before the honorable supreme court of the united states are admonished to draw near. tonight, our country faces a grave danger. we are faced by the possibility that at midnight tonight the embassy will be shut down. therefore, we are taking to actions tonight. first, i'm directing the
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>> "washington journal" continues. host: for the next 40 minutes, we devote the conversation to young voters and campaign 2016. matthew segal is back with us. org.s founder of ourtime. i want to start by getting your reaction to the protest inements at college campuses recent weeks. what should young people see as the lesson learned from miz campuses?other guest: racial sensitivity. and againstom families. we want to see our leaders, our college administrators be cognizant of a lot of the racial tensions occurring in america,
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and by all means, create a more inclusive campus. host: what do you make of the concerns that in these events free speech is being sacrificed for political correctness? guest: it is about a spirit of inclusiveness. 's speech can create an environment where people feel not included, that is when things can get complicated. we are not a liberal generation, but we are a generation that does not want to be learning in an environment where we feel oppressed. it is not such a black-and-white issue. people who boil it down to millennial's hate political correctness are by all means simplifying the issue. "usa today," in
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don't know if you saw it, it talks about raising the voting age because of what we have seen over the past couple of weeks on college campuses, raising it to 25. it says to be a voter, one must be able to engage in adult political discussions. host: i want to get your thoughts. , a those who do not know university of tennessee law .rofessor ridiculous is a assertion. ignorance in voting blocs runs
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the gamut of every generation. i think to suggest that 18-year-olds can assume the responsibility of fighting for our country and wars, and not have a say in the local process, we solved that issue back in 1972 when the voting age was lowered. host: we are asking our viewers to wait in. for about the next half hour, we are talking with matthew segal, cofounder of outime.org, and advocacy organization for millennial's. he also helped start and millennialmpany for spirit democrats can call in, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 745-8002. what theour sense of candidates for president are saying on issues that millennial's care about? are they speaking to mo
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millennial's? guest: some are trying to. it has been a slow start. , thene, attention.com media organization i work at, b wrote several articles that te candidates did not mention student debt, which for young people, it is the number one concern that they have. oneomy issues bring number for millennial's. we want to hold our candidates accountable on that topic. i was pleased to watch the debate and see at least several minutes debating the merits of college affordability. theseandidates focus on power wematters like ou
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going to alleviate student debt, and create jobs for young people, and build income and wages that have remained flat. that is what gives young people excited first of foremost. then, of course, social issues. we are the most socially progressive generation which means we support marriage equality, drug reform, and ending mass incarceration. rhetoric around those issues is deathly going to inspire and motivate young people to show up at the polls. host: we have a special line in the segment for young people, those 18-29, if you want to join the conversation. it is (202) 748-8003. matthew, i'm going to show some voting participation rates broken down by age.
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host: if those older voting blocs are so much more reliable, why should those running for the president feel obligated to speak and spends much time on millennial's, when they can get those other segments to turn out? if you want to government only going after the likely voters, we will not see many changes. today thatung people are the future. if you truly want to represent the future, you have to reach out to a generation that feels both disenfranchised by the current gridlock in washington, and has great ideas and new worldviews that we want to see brought to the table and represented. we need leadership from
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politicians to reach out to us, thate also make the case young people have to definitely help right the menu, otherwise, they will turn up on the menu. that is the case we are constantly making. look, we also failed young people in schools today. howle are not taught government works. we bus young people for not voting and participating, when they have not been educated to do so. to blame us rather than the cultural and social logical systems that have engendered voter apathy is looking at the issue and a myopic way. host: i want to ask you about the political leanings of millennial's. poll thata pew came out recently that found that 51% of young people
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45%tified as democratic and , republican. does that sound about right? guest: i think what is most striking is there was the previous poll that said roughly four out of 10 young people identified as independence. they do not have strong party affiliation. there is liberal ideology, libertarian ideology, some conservative ideology that permeates our generation and worldview, but, by all means, we are not a generation that grows up and has grown up with strong party loyalty. we are much more inspired by issues and particular candidates than we are by just being good democrats or republicans. host: richard is waiting in louisville, kentucky, by for democrats. caller: hello. i've been a democrat for a lot of years. i did not change my party affiliation, but i voted
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straight-line republican the past couple times. here is my question. do you consider yourself a conservative, moderate, liberal? i have a follow-up. guest: i'm now working at a media company, and cover things journalistically, so i consider myself independent. caller: i appreciate that. civicske earlier about no longer being taught to the young people of today. i agree with you 100%. the only problem is you have to ask yourself, how did we get away from the basic fundamentals of education in this country? . will tell you exactly how it is because of the liberals. , ofou are 18 years of age fighting age, you can go in the military, and yes, you have a right to vote, of course you do. my only problem is, and you see
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it every day, when peopl young people are interviewed, they are so uninformed. i'm ignorant about a lot of things. i'm not a brain surgeon. i make it a point to try to find out what is going on, at least locally, in this country. people, they need to be better informed about the topics, subjects, and where this country and globe is going. on that point, can i ask you, do you think social media has contributed to helping keep people informed or make people less informed? caller: you are talking to an old pipefitter, an old construction worker. i can barely turn on my computer. this social media, if it is done properly, it can do some good things. a young persons about the deal in iran, they would not know what he is talking about. guest: i definitely think there
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civic education, like it is stated, that has contributed to an underinformed disposition that many young people possess, but, yet again, this is not an issue unique to millennial's. it runs throughout the entire country. we have a severely underinformed electorate. a lot of it is driven by a culture that focuses on entertainment, much more than it focuses on sober public affairs programs like this one. i think, if more people place emphasis on a culture of being informed and bridges i -- participatory, of course that would change. low voter participation is driven by so many factors. it is to buy a system where we
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see education change, culture, your parents -- if you grew up in a household where your parents taught you the importance of voting and learning about the political system -- it is also driven by our current system of campaign finances, which has so much money poured into the political process, get people feel they cannot affect change because they voices do not count as much as the voices of people that give large campaign contributions. i think, the corroboration of those factors creates a lack of knowledge around the global process, and a lack of concern around the political process because people have become disenchanted. that is something that every day i am working alongside my friends and colleagues to reform. and ourtu attn.com
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ime.org. we have a line for 18-25-year-olds, nader is on that line. caller: you may have touched on aboutore, but millennial's being spoiled and not really knowing the topics, and they should not be able to vote because they are not informed -- we have really have this issue, and it has come up every generation that the .ounger class is not informed this is not the first time it has ever happened. what is the first time, what is unique to the millennial ,eneration is we are worse off for the first time, then our previous generation. not only is the nation as a , but internally,
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student that is higher than it has ever been, child well-being -- last i checked, we were other 27th compared to industrialized nations. we have not taken care of our children for years, decades. this generation is now the product of that. we have to deal with many more problems than our parents ever had to deal with, and we will be worse off. it is that reason that i feel like millennial's have the .iggest influence maybe millennial's are not as justmed, but it is not millennial's, everybody is misinformed. at least we are in the age of technology in which information is readily available. i would like to argue that this 18-25-year-olds is probably a little more informed than the previous generation just because information is that
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readily available. host: i want to let matthew segal jump in. guest: the color is actually right. it is a question if we take social media at our fingertips and turn that into voter present participation. i think one of the reasons you see a distant connect -- disconnect is a disenchantment with gridlock. millennial have grown up in a time and culture in which we have instant results. search forle something and get instant results. we can hit an app on iphone, and have a car waiting for us. when you look at washington, and the political process, change is and takes forever.
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sometimes it does not even happen for decades. i think there is a disconnect between our culture and legislative system that inpatient, young people -- and impatience is good in certain circumstances -- impatient young people have a disconnect in understanding and reconciling. that is why being informed does not always translate to voter participation. host: mark stone on twitter wants to know, do you support free college and getting rid of all student loan debt? guest: personally, i support debt-free college, in particular, and certainly the majority of our readers support debt-free college. i think the fact that college has risen and cost about 1200% in the last 30 years is
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unconscionable. it has created a system where people emerge into the workforce and a whole -- in a whole that they have to drag themselves out of. it is counterproductive. obviously, we need a more educated society, but we have to look at the way we finance college and rethink it. we did not always have the system. we had a system before the mid- 1980's in which college students received more grants downloads. we have since replaced the a system grants with of loans. with loans, interest has become progressively higher, and as a result, we have this over $1 trillion debt crisis, which is something that our leaders are finally starting to adjust, but it is not sustainable. fundamentally rethink how we finance, and hold
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colleges accountable, to , we are not going to solve this problem. host: we are talking about millennial's and campaign 2016. a special light for those who are 18-25 years old. mike is on that line from chicago, illinois. go ahead. caller: good morning, and thank you for discussing such development topic today. i cannot agree more about the worse off situation for millennial's. definitely mentioned some key points. i could not agree with you more. we are worse off economically. parties, democrats and republicans, have not addressed some of the new concerns brought forward, especially as you mentioned student loans, the
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environment. you mentioned, once again, that economic side of things. if we are not economically stable, political exercising of wants rights are directly linked. i have $120,000 of student loans, attending a top 20 university here in chicago. host: is that just undergraduate loans? caller: undergraduate and graduate. it is very difficult to get ahead. host: what did you get your degree and, if you don't mind me asking? ander: social science international relations. i have been looking to buy a home for a long time, but my wages have never increased in the last 10 years. i'm an economic migrant. i have moved around the country
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as a result you get a job. how am i to be stable economically or with my family taco my family structure is unstable. it is tough to get home loans, car loans. there is no clinical stability, if there is no economic stability. the second thing you mention is about new sources of informed media. clearly, our society has become more complex. millennial, we wrestle with so many different forms of media. i work in the political field, and can tell you that all of these new technologies are top-down based meaning they enrich the person who wields them, who creates clinical information. for somebody who is a consumer, or using social media as a way to put themselves into the system, there's always that the structure -- thi
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disjuncture. guest: speaking to the first point. from college or student loans, or lack of employment, and still having to pay for necessities is something that is affecting literally tens of thousands of millennial's and everything will state in the country. i think the biggest risk of it is actually the threat it poses to entre nous or ship -- entrepreneurship. if young people are already in debt, how can they take risks. if there is so much capital that they oh, how can they put up their savings, or they don't have any, to start up businesses and innovate so that the american economy can grow. i think, when we look at the debt issue, we also have to look at it from an economic growth
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standpoint, and how much we are risking for our free markets and economy by not allowing young their to really unleash creativity and ingenuity. that is also one of the biggest parts that concerns me with all the debt that young people have today. it is something i don't think gets enough coverage as far as how that will impact the nation. host: let's go to mike on the line for republicans. caller: he is really perceptive, by think some of the things he is saying are missing parts of the picture. i will try to keep it short. as to student loan debt -- of course i am an older man, and when i was a kid, we did not have this type of problem. we had debt, but nothing like it is now. the difference between then and with the did not go up
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idea that it was a guaranteed ticket to failure if you did not get a college education. this is something that the kids have been sold since the time they were little, and their parents too, that if they do not go to college, they are doomed to fail. it creates a huge demand for diplomas. coupled with the government messing around with the financing of student loans, it creates a powerful incentive for colleges to endlessly raised their tuition because they know whereave to feed a system kids are coming to college for two reasons. a, they are afraid to fail. b, they do not consider that success does not necessarily depend on one. there are people that are very
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successful in business and do not have college degrees. they came out of high school -- some of them of course were children of entrepreneurs. they are not being taught that entrepreneurship is not something that depends on the college degree. the fact that people are not going to trade schools that much anymore, gun people don't come up with the idea that they want to be plumbers, truckers, or they might want to start a small roofs on putting houses. they come out thinking they should sit in a cubicle in front of a computer at this college education will get them a job that pays a lot of money, when those jobs do not exist in those numbers anymore. head matthew, nodding his to several of your comments. go ahead. guest: i would say, the only point worth acknowledging is
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part of the reason the demand has increased so considerably is that, typically speaking, your earnings, if you have a college degree, are significantly higher. they are between half $1 million moremillion dollars throughout the course of a lifetime. if you are earning between half $1 million to a million dollars more in your lifetime, every shred of evidence shows that a college education will increase your income in the long term. in the short term, it creates massive debt. in the long term, for the most part, people are pulling themselves out of the debt, and being resilient, and eventually prospering. college is definitely a worthwhile investment for most. doesn't mean that every field person should go to college? i think people should have the
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free will to choose for themselves. if they have an idea out of high school and want to start a company, or go to a trade, that is their prerogative and right. if you look at the reason why demand for college is so high, it is because of lifelong earnings. jim is up next on the line for republicans. go ahead. caller: good morning. thank you listen of your generation is both good and bad. wide sweepingake statements that sound good on appearance, but create serious problems like your decision or thought that every one should get a college education or technical education. guest: i didn't say that. i said that people should have the free will. saidr: if you have not se it, mr. obama says it. what that produces is people who are not prepared for school go
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to school. what you do is create more buried him some demand -- burden some demand. the caller: when i went to school, i just that it. i didn't think about social issues on campuses. racism onhat there is campus. liberals are also ingrained in allergistnd making -- do more for social things. socialeges do more for things. you turn around and blame candidates. there are other issues i can give you, too. host: let's let matthew segal
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respond. guest: just there -- just like complex,an industrial and the color has merit to his point. colleges can keep building brick-and-mortar buildings that can increase cost and don't focus on the core competency of learning. they are worried about their rankings. colleges have to be a part of this system of accountability to drive down tuition costs. froman't overcome taxpayers. it all caps come from the federal government. everyone has to play a role. i agree on that point. is that partlate of the reason causes up for college, earnings is better for college graduates. host: older generations are
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living in the past while the younger generation lives more in the present and future. it sets up inherent conflicts. don is in florida. he is a republican. go ahead. guest: yes, as a recent graduate in health care, i have found what you are saying interesting. deuce to loans a master degree, but not for the other. -- i did student loans for a masters degree, but not for the other. people get it paid for on their own without someone giving it to them for free. not the people who are likely to thrive in college, right after college. they are coming from a -- oround where college provided for by their parents.
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all we are doing is diluting the value of a college degree because the requirements are going to be decrease along the financial responsibility. you still should have to earn your way through has college on both fronts. host: matthew segal. caller: i take a little bit of issue. guest: if it was not for the pell grant or other scholarships to low income students, we would not see nearly as much as social economic opportunity as we do today. we still have a much longer way to go in achieving that. without the g.i. bill, pell see so manyouldn't low income business leaders and prospering today.
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calling to support the concept of all young people making it their business to vote. inn i turned 21 years old 1968. assassinatedy was and i didn't vote. event.evastated by that on thaty learned early was a devastating lesson of living with a president who lied and was a disgrace. when i had my son, i taught him always to vote no matter what. both in the primaries and in the general elections.
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because of voting is the way we can express our preferences for how this country is run. during, you know, with a parent who made huge, huge contributions to the american psychological association because of the g.i. bill and -- g.i. bill. host: we are running out of time. i want to give matthew segal a chance. matthew segal, go ahead. caller: i am all for voting. i think it will reshape this country and will create a more empathetic country, a more socially progressive one, and one that thinks about the future , and not just the present. host: if you want to check out
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, you can gos work to his website. he also works with our time.org. thank you for giving us your time. guest: my pleasure. byt: next, we will be joined dick carpenter discussing a new study on the policing tool coming under civil asset forfeiture increasing criticism known as civil asset forfeiture. --known as civil asset forfeiture. we will stop at florida state university to talk about florida's role as the swing set in the elections. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
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law enforcement to seize property from people who have -- who have not been charged with a crime. in civil forfeiture, no one is convicted of a crime. the property itself is charged and convicted with a crime under a -- legally. concern is that it gives police a financial stake in seizing property and cash and other things through the civil asset forfeiture process. incentivey have an that law enforcement can keep
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some or all of what they forfeit. it incentivizes revenue. it hashe concern is that been increasing in recent years. any report talking about some of the numbers through the years. by 2014, civil forfeitures have $4.5 billion. --k about how that were first created in the united states. there wasn't as, lot of forfeiture activity. in the 1980's, with the change of the law in many of the states, what happened was they added the incentives, agencies could keep some or all of what they forfeited. since that time, the growth has
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been incredible since the early 2000 where there has been a 1000% increase. that is just at the federal level. the state level has seen an increase since the early 2000's, it has more than doubled. here is the problem, in the states, we don't know how much forfeiture activity there is. many states don't require agencies to track their forfeiture activity. host: the report is policing for property, the abuse of civil assets. talking about it for the next 30 minutes or so, if you want to join in the isversation, democrats it 202-748-8000, republicans 202-748-8001, and independence
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202-748-8002. civiley going to a end of forfeiture laws? guest: except for narrow circumstances, in addition, we would argue that the financial incentives should be eliminated. that would mean properties that are forfeited, cash, cars, homes, whatever, the properties or values be diverted to a general fund rather than into the funds of agencies. things that took place, passed by congress? did have some reforms, but didn't have the most important reform, which was to eliminate the financial incentive. host: an argument in favor of the process. furman, attorney of montgomery county.
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they publish in defense of civil asset forfeiture laws. people possible right are protected, only a court can order a forfeiture, and there are extensive checks and balances to make sure innocent people are protected. .etitions are filed it is true that those proceedings are uncontested because the proof is overwhelming. guest: it is uncontested because the process is incredibly complex. -- you'll have to hire an attorney. attorney is an undertaking because not many know what it -- what is needed to do this. you will have opportunity costs
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going to multiple hearings and many people realize the cost associated with fighting to get their property back, they have to go to court to give their property back. they relies the costs are too severe and far greater than the thigh of the property. us examples of cases. owned -- russ caswell, a few drug crimes were committed in his motel. police to try to stop the activity. well, the used drug laws to essentially seize an attempt to forfeit his motel. they said because drug crimes have been committed in his hotel, they had the authority to seize and take his motel, his livelihood.
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even though he was completely innocent of any crime. host: where is the line? do you think drug dealers crossing a border should be allowed to keep their car, no inspection? guest: we say if someone is guilty of a crime, convict them of a crime and forfeit their property. host: our viewers can call-in. al is up first in brooklyn, new york. line for democrats. good morning. caller: it just seems ironic that there are so many trends coming against the rights of individuals and corporations. we are expanding civil forfeiture of individuals, we see forced arbitration being used by large corporations. we see court cutting back on the right of class action to allow individuals to get remedies i joined together. we also see corporations given
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the privileges of individuals by the supreme court. what would happen if they try to use a civil forfeiture procedure to take assets from exxon? it would be absurd to even contemplate. why is this something that can happen to individuals? pattern, it demands examination. we certainly agree. if you look at the pattern the forfeitures, what we have found in both the federal and state level, this is happening to individuals, your neighbors, potentially you, this is not happening too large drug kingpin's. s. with the data available, we are able to determine what the average value of forfeited properties are and we determined it ranges from $450 in minnesota $2000 in utah.
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we are not talking about huge drug kingpins. it is used against everyday people. " at: you mentioned "we couple of times. twitter.m on let's go to gym in spokane, washington. my for independence. good morning. caller: good morning. thanks to c-span. i'd use to be a police officer -- i used to be a police officer. these laws are different constitution. there is no due process. the individuals usually don't have the resources to go to court to get their money back. the problem in spokane is a lot of these tickets and forfeitures are also tie to law enforcement retirements and the local
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judges. it seems like whenever these judges or officers retire, the the come out and enforce tickets. if they can forfeit something, that is great. another problem with our banking industry where somebody loses all their savings through identity theft, you know it is by f crc.d by guest: you have hit upon a couple of things. the financial incentive is what you are talking about, which is very problematic. what makes it even worse is that in many places, many states, and even the federal government, the level of transparency about expenditures of forfeitures is almost nonexistent. it is a very difficult, if not, and possible to know how forfeiture funds are spent. alloww that some states
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forfeiture funds to be spent on equipment, on buildings, capital expenditures, other states allow it to be used on salaries, benefits, and overtime. beyond these general categories, we often have no idea how these moneys are spent as a result. the second think to note based on what you just said is the idea of carrying cash. it is not illegal to carry cash, but often, and people have some amount of cash in their vehicle, the are pulled over, they may be asked by a police officer, do you have weapons, drugs, or large amount of cash. someone say, yes, i have $1000. the police can search the car and seize the money. again, it is not illegal to carry a large amount of cash, but because they may be of a crime, they will
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seize the money even though that person is not charged for convicted. not a lot -- states that f grades include massachusetts and north dakota. you can check out that report online on ij.org. sweetie is up next from georgia. good morning. caller: thank you for allowing me to speak. i will be as short and brief as i can. my 60's.ing to i look at america, anything that is brought down to an individual level, it shaken me. if you look at the loss of the forfeituresf the you are saying is being done,
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at the state. if you are a state in getting so many forfeitures, why are people doing things corruptly? perhaps you don't have the programs in place, or the proper education to educate people. i learned about white collar crime when i was at the university. it was really amazing to me that so many people are allowed to do white collar crime and they can attorneysh-polluted to get them off with a slap on the wrist. if you start looking at deterioration at the bottom, you need to go to the top and put better laws in that will take
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care of everyone. that will result -- that will resolve the problem. if you are just going to continue to hit the little person, the matter whether they are doing good or bad, you are never, ever going to do anything, but to put more anger in it. you will have more incidents. that is my personal opinion. is there enough anger or concern about the civil forfeiture laws that we could see changes on the federal level? guest: we are starting to see changes already, especially at the state level. we have had reform in four or five different states. her articles that have been introduced for are on the verge of being introduced. reforms and awareness grows about forfeiture. something the caller said is worth noting, the questioning is why -- the question is why?
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who are acting outside of the bounds they should, our position is that it is not about a few bad apples, it is about a few bad loss. if you were to change the laws and incentives, we would see a change in behavior. it is not, let's when police officers. workinglice officers inside the law that needs to be reformed. charles is on our line for independence from fort collins, colorado. the morning, charles. beyond i think this goes just civil forfeitures. it is the whole system is corrupt. i got arrested for sleeping in a parking lot. , never blew on a two, and now i am in a corrupt system or it is all about money. i asked my lawyer, why am i not
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getting a deferred sentence? his answer was that they need to build a new building so they are resting everyone. then i get into these classes with all these people who are getting arrested, and there are people who don't have money, can't pay the state, so they are sentenced two years out. now they have to get more money. it is this continuing cycle of gathering money from people. it is just corrupt. i believe that any kind of forfeiture, any money gained from people being arrested should not be used from law enforcement. given to a charity. given to something else so there are incentives to raise money is taken own uses away. i think we will see a fairer system.
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if we need a new building, let's go arrest someone and make money. guest: we happen to agree to avoid the financial incentive that the funds ought to be converted to a mutual fund. that could be a state fund, school fund, just a fund that is not a law enforcement agency's wanted to avoid the conflict of interest. host: doesn't some of the money go to help victims of crimes? guest: sometimes money would be used for victim reparations. it is a small amount of money. they said this money can be used for community drug programs. we found that very rarely happens. going on ine philadelphia. philadelphia has been running a forfeiture machine for many years. we gained access to forfeiture data in philadelphia and we look at how money was being spent in
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their broad categories and we discovered that over the course of many years, philadelphia had voted exactly zero dollars to community drug programs from forfeitures. texas, amy is waiting. amy, good morning. caller: good morning. the problem i have is in counties and small towns, if you happen to be driving through, or youg on a vacation, and carry cash, you want to take several thousand dollars in cash, if it pulled over, police can take it and you have to prove that you have done anything wrong. i don't see how that is constitutional. what he is saying about using this money for funds, that is nothing new. they get you to vote for the they want and it is like, lottery in every state, and they
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were all put through on the same basis. both for the lottery and all of the money will go to the schools. none of it does. we shouldn't have any problems with schools with all the lottery number -- with all the lottery money. it is the same theing is all the forfeiture laws. i just can't see how they can take my property unless i'm guilty of a crime. host: has this happened to you or a member of your family? caller: it happened to a boy that i know. he was driving and his grandfather's brand-new pickup. first pickup the man had ever owned in his life. the boy was driving around with -- the truck was confiscated and never got back because he couldn't afford to pay to prove that the old man
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had no knowledge. the police wanted that pickup. plain and simple. guest: you have raised an issue we have talked about -- we haven't talked about is the innocent owner problem. that is somebody owns a piece of property, let's say a grandfather or a parent, loaned it to a child, the child commits a crime, and the rightful owner of the vehicle loses that be a even though he or she has never been charged or convicted and innocent of any crime. the 35 states -- in 35 states, the owner bears the burden of showing he is innocent of any crime. he had noo show that knowledge. this is a significant burden. host: texas is one of those states. along with 35 other
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states that had a d+ or worse. host: richard is next. carpenter, is that you? guest: yes it is. to be old.etting in my travels with medicare. i hope you're listening to me. womanwas an 87-year-old who had throat cancer and she had seven kids. accounts, ight off liked her and i wanted to help her. the bottom line is, they told me , they don't want to be serious, but they did it anyway. if she passes away, they are going to take the house away. so, i didn't like that. so, i took medicare to court. the bottom line is, i won the
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case. way ofe was a strategic life on money. the innocent kids have nothing to do with the law. it should be a change in venue. what they did, the people from --icare, tried to slightly the rug.ipe me over i got very demonstrative in court. medicare got a little disruptive. then there was a weekend. she thought about it. it was overturned. might their own mind their has to own business and strategic law. set rolling -- ruli
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in then courtsg. because of the way they were doing it -- as a matter of fact, house,went to the kid's the medicare people were there. i asked them very lightly to lead. very quietly to leave. host: i don't see what the civil assets coming to this story. caller: that was my job in those days. it is almost like in 1974. what they did it that they tried to take advantage of the patients. carpenter, with or a part you wanted to jump in on? guest: i don't think so, but thanks for the opportunity. caller: good morning. when the police come up with the
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law, there is no such thing. they are actually committing armed robbery, which is a felony. guest: i don't know if we can call it a felony. we can call it a bad law that it creates- procedures for law enforcement to take advantage of in order to forfeit people's properties. host: is there a minimum amount of cash they can carry and not have it confiscated? know it.t that i it is not illegal to carry cash of any amount. viewers might not know is that there is some very strange names associated with these cases, including things like u.s. government versus $9,000 in currency. because it is's
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the court against the property. the person, or the defendant is the property. host: how is the red inch on this issue about civil asset forfeiture from your perspective? this: she was asked about and she affirmed civil forfeiture. she supported it. host: what that different from the previous attorney general? guest: no, not at all. host: dick carpenter is with us. we do have that number for law enforcement -- we do have that number. robert is on the line for independence from austin, texas. morning, robert. caller: good morning. i have two cases.
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trouble a while ago. he came to my house. the only thinness they were -- ng they were concerned with was how much money i had. that was their only motivation, even though i could prove for everything came from. my car was released to me a few days ago. i am a real estate person, and i had proof of funds, where the funds came from. i literally bought a car the next day from a commissions check. they omit any information. they will leave out any information that is beneficial to them. i also have proof of funds.
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i had cars in my yard that were old. i just sold them that week. they claimed that that money was old drug proceeds. even though i have proof of title and sales slips. it doesn't matter. my lawyers told me i can forget about that money regardless of how much proof i have. a friend of mine that caught with a tiny amount of marijuana and he was a contractor and just been paid. it is going to cost him $5,000 just for an attorney. they told him it would take him to years if he was lucky to get the money back. they were going to charge him with money laundering, there was no proof whatsoever. for $30,000, they would drop everything and he could go on his merry way.
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they are not concerned with trying to catch anybody, they just want the money. that is all it's about. mine made a point, plus they took a computer, phones, and found nothing. there was no evidence of anything. he's got to get more money to try to get the money back. if they should fabricate some other evidence, he might get charged with money laundering. insanity. host: robert, thank you. --st: that is unfortunate that is an unfortunate familiar story. officer makinge a stop on the side of the road, i actually have proof as to where this money has come from. regardless of that fact, the
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property is still seized, and the person has the burden of get the money back. it is a process is far greater is far greatert than the value of the property. will often hear from a prosecutor, how about this, we seized in thousand dollars from you, we will give you $2000 back. we'll keep a thousand dollars and we will all call it good. that is often one of the outcomes as well. host: how often is that the case? guest: pretty frequently. we don't know systematically across the states how many of them settle because we don't have great data available. the transparency of the forfeiture is very poor.
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with the data we have, we know that it does happen. another outcome we haven't talked about, sometimes people will have to buy their property back. instance, azed, for prosecutor will say, we can sell your car back to you, realizing the cost to you to buy your car back is more than the forfeiture. host: good morning, jerry. ok.er: asleep when i was watching dick carpenter. i had to wake up because i have been accused of being a money launderer. the reales during estate meltdown, i tried to sell my home, and he put a foreclosure on it. it was able to be sold in the cheated me out of that. i went back for it.
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here in illinois, they said, yes, right, it did happen. they wiped it off of the books. they were supposed to give me $2000. now, i just purchased a wonderful house. i was always good with keeping cash and stock. before i purchased the house, the police came to my house or some minor altercation and stuff and they took me down to the station and all that. at the time, i have some cash in my house. $3000 to be exact. they,ook the cash, then they went to my bank and asked my bank about the cash. he savesold them, money.
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out, come downot there, and they had my cash ready for me. fight fort want no cash i knew was mine. when i got ready to buy my house, i had cash stashed in a safe deposit box in the bank. my bank people know me. before i bought my house, i took some cash out and put it in my go, hereand here i they come saying "money laundering." i had to write a letter, three pages, i wasn't a money launderer. host: i appreciate the story. what wouldyou -- your advice for people who keep large amounts of cash in their home? guest: i don't know if i have i have adon't know if
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particular set of advice. people who keep cash in their vehicle, if you are stopped and asked the questions about drugs and weapons in your car. you have the right to not answer the questions. there was a guest on "washington years ago couple of talking about the rights you have if you are driving in a vehicle. you have the ability to say that you don't want to answer the questions. host: eugene is waiting for our line for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning to you, dick. , am i on?ted to say host: yes, you are eugene. caller: this paints a very clear picture to everyone in america. everyone who is listening to this program. our country is in serious trouble.
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who are supposed to be of high moral character. people who are supposed to be educated professionals. eagle who are supposed to be skinny for the constitution -- people who are supposed to be standing for the constitution. we are nothing more than a .onster or a gangster no more than the lowest criminal we have on the street selling drugs, selling cigarettes, and doing all of the things we are calling on other people to do. you realize when people see these kinds of things and are not working, and they don't have money to put into their household, that is reason enough for folks to say, if that is healthy are getting theirs, that i am going to take something, to , because i have a need. my mama needs a refrigerator. my children need shoes. -- you havetart say
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to talk like the billionaire. you have to say it like you mean it. you tell it like you see it. you got crooks with guns. , do you feel me? you agree that these laws undermine the integrity of the police department and law enforcement? guest: it creates a bad impression and mistrust. our position is that these are bad laws creating the circumstances and behaviors and need to be performed. host: been on twitter wants to know why haven't these cases going to the supreme court? guest: we have been working to try to get them through the court system. the problem is law enforcement will realize, we don't want this to go to the court.
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the often just settle on a case-by-case basis. he may give the money back to make the case going. --t: helen is waiting on from clearwater, florida. go ahead. dick, i want to ask you a questioned, but i also want to comment on the last caller. i went to keep my money at home. i don't trust the bank. many of us are old schoolers. they can come into your home and all of a sudden they think you are a drug dealer, or a crook. ourselves protect from being humiliated. get anlot of money to attorney to say you were right. let me get off the phone now. thank you. guest: yes, indeed. we found that situation many times over people lose their property and simply do not have the wherewithal to go through
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the process. there was a recent aclu study that looked at forfeiture activity in philadelphia and found that the people who lose their properties often don't have the resources necessary to fight. are of these properties very small amounts. they found that half of forfeited properties were worth less than $200. we are not talking about people who have enormous means and high value property. we are talking about everyday people. host: dick carpenter, research director for the institute of justice. about the abuse of civil forfeiture. i appreciate your time. up next, he will kick off c-span sunshine state tour reviewing policies. we are stopping at florida state university to talk about their role as a swing state.
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dehaven-smith to talk about florida politics and campaign 2016. thank you. guest: i am glad to be here. host: florida has been a swing state. we know it has been a swing fate in recent elections. is there any expectation that it won't be a swing state in 2016? guest: it will be a swing state in 2016. it is closely divided along partisan lines. there are 4.1 million republicans and 4.5 million democrats. a lot of the immigrants vote republican -- a lot of democrats vote republican. there are 29 electoral votes at stake. we are the third largest state in the country. the path through the white house really runs through florida. host: of the four most popular
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states, it is the only one considered to be a swing state. why is that? well, it is the close division between the parties, -- democrats who have been in this area of the state. they register democrats. be 60%,unties would 70%, or 80%, but they would vote often as republican in statewide elections. this has been the case since 1964 with the civil rights act.
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however, if the democrats want a southerner, they will vote for him. they voted for jimmy carter, al -- they voted for al gore and bill clinton in 1996. they didn't vote for al gore in the 2000 election. that is largely why he lost or tied. the blue dogs, they used to be called yellow dogs. [laughter] it was said they were so loyal to the democratic party that they would vote for any democrat, even a yellow dog. loyal, they started towing with the republicans. there was a saying that they don't always go home from the brung thh the one who
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they would switch back and forth. george w. bush, you may recall, the last day of the campaign, the closest election in american history, where was george w. bush? bush went torbara destin, his father went to tallahassee. drove to jacksonville where george w. bush was finishing up the campaign with colin powell. here you have this close race and is there a rule area of florida. yourself, why would they spend so much bible time there? this is where the election was going to be decided. pennsboroe thing is they type.
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.- tied host: lance dehaven-smith is our guest. he is a part of our huge sun sign -- sunshine state tour. in,ou want to join democrats it is 202-748-8000. republicans it is 202-748-8001. independent it is 202-748-8002. we'll take as many calls as we can get to. what are the you, key markets, key newspapers to look to when one is trying to read the politics in florida and election year? there are 10 media
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markets in the state. it is a very diverse state. you have the miami herald. the st. petersburg times. the orlando sentinel. many other papers. it is just a very diverse state. , it is likees campaigning in 10 states. the have to run at an all be separate markets. a cost of about $2 million a week to run ads in florida because there are so many media markets. host: with all those media markets, does the focus come down to statewide races and federal elections wa? the congressional level with the u.s. congress is pretty well decided by the districting process. we have majority-minority
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themict that tend to pack in a certain number of congressional seats. we have a large majority of republicans in our congressional delegation. 50-50 between republicans and democrats. host: those are districting live in florida, they could be changed soon and could impact the congressional delegation? guest: that is exactly right. was a constitutional amendment passed in florida a couple of years ago that requires the districting to be done without protecting incumbents. that has gone to court. the federal congressional districts are in play, sort of speak. let's take it to the
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presidential level. car the individual campaigns? -- who is reaching out the most? hillary clinton comes , jeb bush comes here, and marco rubio comes here. try has been here. trump the rules a little bit. it could cause a drop off. what they do now is, whoever wins florida gets all the electoral votes. in the past, they would divide them up by congressional districts. strategy for the candidates is everybody would campaign here and pick up a few votes if they could. if it is all or nothing, and you
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don't have a good shot at it, i think the candidates will stay away. clearly, jeb bush and marco rubio are strong candidates here. rubio and jeb bush have never run in florida in a presidential election year. they have always run in the off year. a very different electorate in the off year. is about 70% and a presidential year. in an off year election. it is easier for the democrats to win in the presidential year. that is how barack obama can come here and win twice, even though we have had a republican governor since 1998.
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we have a large majority of republicans in the state legislature. host: president obama winning in -- we are talking to lance dehaven-smith, florida state university professor of public affairs and policy. let's bring and calls as we discussed the importance of florida in the 2016 election. jerry is up first calling in from puerto rico on our life from democrats. caller: good morning. how is the puerto rican vote going to affect the florida outcome since we have a serious problem? and puerto rico once to go to florida to get a job. the united states have put us on the back of the line to become a
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state. in every war, we paid for social security. everyone born here along to the united states. on an island. it is just ridiculous after more than 100 years, we are still not because none of the puerto ricans are interested in statehood. when things get back, they go to the states like they did in the 50's -- in the 1950's. are we going to change our policies? they don't know what the problems are when we have been in the system for so many years. some of the people don't even are already citizens of the united states. host: thank you for the call. lance
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puerto ricans are, as the caller said, u.s. citizens. as soon as they enter the united states, they can vote. they have been coming here in my numbers -- in large numbers. some of the candidates this year have gone to puerto rico. they have become an increasingly important vote. they are concentrated in orlando . 2000,e you an example, in in the 2000 disputed election, orange county where orlando is voted democrat for the first time since 1946 in a presidential election. due to the inly migration of puerto ricans. came to orlando campaigning, he came out of orange county with 85,000 more mccain.an john
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the same with mitt romney. .t was overwhelming that vote has become so large, as i have said before, that you don't have to have the blue dog democrats for a democrat to win the state. barack obama was the first non-seven or two -- non -southerner to come in and win since 1960. it was largely the puerto rican vote that people don't know this, most people don't, but cubans historically voted republican. they split evenly for barack obama. the hispanic vote, the latino vote, and the rhetoric about -- puerto rican vote is decisive for the country. florida is a swing state. the key vote is puerto rican and .ispanic and the tino -- latino
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it could decide the election for the all country. host: 29 twhirl votes up for florida. in the past six elections, florida voters casting more than 41 million votes, siding with democrats three times and republicans three times. we are talking about florida in the 2016 election, taking your thoughts, a special line for florida residents. patrick is on the line from gardens,m beach republican, good morning. caller: my question is this. in light of the fact that florida is so diverse, i live in south florida, central florida is different am a north florida is different. how does your guest feel about the challenges? what are the challenges for marco rubio, and also for donald trump in the state of florida? guest: the challenge is to reach
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these swing voters. there are not that many of them. and are either republican democrat and blue dog democrats vote republican. there is a swing vote. blue dog democrats, the cuban voters are shifting, and in the candidates have to go to all of these locations. they can't just campaign in miami, orlando, west palm beach, pensacola.sonville, it is a humongous state, very diverse. immigration think is going to be a problem for him . it has to cause a reaction from the hispanic and latino voters. jeb bush, his problem is he hasn't been here in 10 years as governor. the people don't know him.
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florida adds 300,000 people a year to the state. a large number of newcomers. 3 million and 10 years. they want here when jeb was here. is going to be popular. he could carry the hispanic vote, and latino vote. 10 years ago, when no martinez retired from the u.s. senate, marco rubio ran for that seat. he carried orange county. is -- georgels you w. bush didn't carry it. what that tells you is the hispanic vote was supporting a latino. for: stay on the line florida residents, mary calling in from st. petersburg, good morning. caller: i just wanted to say ,hat in most of our newspapers
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they are so liberal nowadays -- i have lived in florida for 50 years. i have gotten to where you can see it plainly. if they recommend somebody, i will go completely the opposite to vote because i know what they are doing. i think the newspapers are a little liberal. i think that is an accurate case. they are concerned about immigration, global climate rights.civil many other which would be considered liberal issues. the key issue the governor pushed is jobs, to develop the economy. there are papers in florida that are more conservative, the jacksonville newspaper is comedy pensacola newspaper is.
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, theetersburg is liberal miami herald is liberal. it is a part of america. we have a diversity of opinions. fortunately, we are free to disagree. host: what about the florida sun sentinel? the newspaper with the editorial calling for marco rubio to resign rather than keep missing votes in congress. that was a very strong editorial. , in some ways,ve insulting. i don't know what to make of it. a lot of candidates missed votes in congress. rubio has missed more than the other candidates, but it is not unheard of. i was surprised by the editorial.
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i thought it was a little over the top. host: signalman, tennessee, line for independents, jim, good morning. we're talking about florida's role in campaign 2016. caller: i wanted to first mentioned to the professor that hiddenhis book, teachings of jesus. i liked it very much. i wish it would have reached a wider audience. the other thing is the idea of keeping people out, the immigration laws that are being recommended by the primary the -- primarily by the republicans, they are silly and bound to help democrats do better in florida. host: would you agree? guest: i would agree. jeb bush has tried to stake out a moderate position on
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immigration. he did this early, a year and a half or so ago, he promised a book about it. he is not getting much traction with it. vocal on all of this -- it is overwhelming the news media. i think the caller is right. it will push the latino and hispanic voter to the democratic party. probably for a generation if it continues like this. i would like to thank the reader -- the caller for reading my book. he is one of a dozen people that read it. lance dehaven smith is a professor of public policy at the florida state university. 2016 c-spanhy tempe bus is this morning. is 41 thousand
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dollars, and state, 60 or hundred dollars, out-of-state, $22,000. deere talking with dr. to haven smith. special mantra florida .esidents, 202-748-8003 -- special line for florida residents. i am very familiar with the book that he wrote. i would also like to say thank you for having this program and the c-span bus go all around the state. it is very diverse. host: i hope you stay tuned all week long. caller: i definitely will. gainesville, but i am very familiar with the college. i would like for him to address two things for me if he has time this morning. just now, ande
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i'm very confused what they are doing regarding the redistricting in the voting mess from the legislature, where ,o we stand if we want to vote and when will that culminate into a final decision? the other thing i would like to ask him is if the changes in cuba that we have gone through with rubio and the immigration senate situation is going to affect the changes in terms of redistricting in that part of the state? i will hang up and listen to your comments. think you so much. host: take them in whatever order you want. guest: i will answer in the order she asked. redistricting will be decided in the courts. there won't be a vote in that.
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what happened is this their district thing amendment was passed -- fair districting was passed. protecting incumbents. the republican controlled legislature apparently maneuvered behind the scenes to get -- to make it appear that citizens were proposing redistricting maps when it was really their own staff. it turns out the democrats were doing something similar. it is in the courts. be a month or so -- it is hard to say how long it will take. that is where it stands. the other question was -- what was the other question? host: the impact of cuban immigration. this could be a problem for rubio. he is adamant about keeping ties
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with cuba the way they have been , very little trade, tourism, everything. population isican shifting. the reason the cubans voted republican for so long was because in 1961, there was an cubansn by x patriot that was supported by the united states called the bay of takes invasion. -- bay of pigs invasion. president kennedy was asked to send airpower in beyond what had already been provided. he said no. these people were slaughtered on the beach and put in prison. the united states got them out at some point with an agreement with cuba, but it left a very bitter taste in the cuban-american's mouth. they voted staunchly republican
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until the 2008-2012 elections. we saw a shift. cubans,going on is the the cuban-americans alive during the bay of pigs are dying off. the new generation is becoming more like a traditional democratic constituency, minority voting democrats. rubio's tough stand may not sit so well with the hispanic vote in southeast florida. fsu's intel has. the next call is from tallahassee, kevin, do morning. the issue of college affordability is a debate that has heated up over the last few months. all i hear his retort.
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it seems i can republicans want to keep the status quo, similar to health care. democrats want to take it a step too far that i don't think the country is ready for. no one is addressing the question of why? i would like to know what your opinion is on white college tuition is so expensive and what we should do about it. thank you. i don't know why it is so high. that it isar is expensive to do research. you have to have fancy labs. we want a lot of focus on the ,o-called stem discipline science, technology, engineering, math. those are expensive fields. disheartening as a professor who lives in florida since the early 1980's, i have been a professor here, to see
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the gradual shift of the cost of higher education to the students. usually, the state provided most of the funding and the tuition was relatively low. that has changed over the last 20 years. i see no indication of the changing direction. them.a terrible issue for the debt they come out of college with is sometimes really enormous. it will be a most impossible for them to pay it back. yet, this type of debt, student loans, you cannot get out from under. you cannot declare bankruptcy and get away from them. you have to pay those. in a way, it is a tragedy. i hope people will look at this and try to find out what the -- why the cost is so high and try to bring it down. there have been attempts to offer degrees for $20,000.
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efforts. some the basic problem is the state doesn't want to contribute the money. it wants to students to pay. fsu where the at c-span campaign 2016 bus is today. if you want to attend fsu out-of-state, it is $22,000, in-state tuition is $6,500. oral in the trite, michigan, -- in detroit, michigan, earl, good morning. lance, how are you and you sit here and give the expiration -- the explanation, when the supreme court gave the election to bush.
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after everything was said and done, it was proven that the popular vote was won by gore? you are trying to rewrite history. host: on the history of the 2000 election. book on thete a 2000 election called the battle for florida. that alvery clearly gore received more legally valid votes than george w. bush. this was determined by the national opinion research center at the university of chicago. the media got together and funded a recount by this center. they looked at -- there were over 170,000 uncounted ballots. they look at all of them. it turned out, ironically, that it wasn't the chads that were the problem. the problem was about two thirds of those ballots or what came to
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be called right in over vote. checking the spot for al gore and then writing al gore in the right in space. when it is run through an optical scan reader, it doesn't register. obviously, if you look at it visually, you can tell who the vote was for. when they counted all the ballots, they found that al gore had one. this was misreported in florida because the miami herald ran an article saying bush would have won. what they were saying was if it had just depended on the four counties al gore had asked for the recount in, he would have lost. was clearlye vote for al gore. that could have been found out. the supreme court, they stopped
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the recount. what they said at the end was not that you can do recounts. they said you needed statewide standards. you could have done it in florida. we ran out of time. limit -- december 12, if you can't decided by the end, it is too late. that came from a disputed election of 1876 that involved florida. is we had ad republican governor who appointed an election commission. they decided that a couple of counties in south florida looked like they were too many votes, too many democratic vote. they threw those counties out. a democratic county was -- governor was elected that your and he had the right to appoint
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a new election commission. they sent another slate of two washington to say that a democrat had one. this finally got resolved. what the federal government did then was right title iii of the on. code that put a limit when you can submit your of a vote vote -- elect world electoral vote. what bothers me is this could happen again. this is not been thoroughly corrected. statewide on the same kind of voting machine, optical scan ballots. that fixes the equal issue the supreme court race. we have errors in any going system, usually about 1%. .- voting system
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our elections are often decided by 1% or less. we could easily end up with another recount. i don't think the laws are clear enough to guide us through that. host: time for a few more calls in this first installment of c-span sunshine state tt our.we have a special line for florida residents if you want to call in. john is waiting in virginia on the line for democrats. caller: thank you for taking my call. professor, i want to ask you a question that you have already answered. mefather used to say tell your friend and i will tell you who you are. florida, for the last two elections, they have been losing --because the republicans people are not buying republican messages. if they see that, what they are telling me flirty and is not working.
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-- telling the floridian is not working. look at the people leading the republicans right now. donald trump and ben carson. , it is young ideas and old ideas. floridians highlight lot of young people who don't want the old ideas, hate, division, all of that. are openhe people latinos. if you don't listen to the people that vote for you everyday, i don't care what rubio says. he has to's. one for the people who pay his -- he hasthe other two mouths. jeb bush is the same thing. he says one thing, tomorrow, he says the other thing. people are confused. i have seen hillary clinton right now -- she is in a good
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position because nobody is listening to these republicans. i think the republicans are still quite strong. iny haven't carried florida the last two presidential elections. they continue to win in the off years. just barely. very close. i think florida will be predominantly democratic when redistricting is done in 2022. it takes a long time for our political system to change. it has checks and balances. different levels of government at different timing of elections. different primary rules. republicans are fairly well entrenched in florida and are doing whatever they can to limit
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the democratic vote. host: i want to thank you so much for your time today and being part of the c-span sunshine state tour. we will end it there because we want to take our viewers to turkey where president obama is speaking at the g 20 summit happening right on c-span. barack obama: we need to do everything we can to protect against more attacks and protect our citizens. tragically, paris is not alone. outrageous attacks by isil in beirut last month in ankara, routinely in iraq. 20, our nation's send and understate will message. we are united against this threat. isil is the face of evil.
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our goal, as i have said many times, is to degrade and ultimately destroy this barbaric terrorist organization. as i outlined this fall at the united nations, we have a conference of strategy using all elements of our power. military, intelligence, economic, development, and the strength of our communities. we have always understood that this would be a long-term campaign. there will be setbacks and successes. the terrible events in paris were obviously a terrible and sickening setback. even as we grieve with our french friends, we can't lose sight that there has been .rogress being made on the military front, our coalition is intensifying our airstrikes. more than 8000 to date. we are taking out isil leaders, commanders, killers. we have seen that when we have
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an effective partner on the ground, isil can and is pushed back. recentlyces in iraq har,rated send your, -- senj ramadi, syria, they have been pushed back in turkey. we are working to cut off supply lines to isil strongholds. in short, both in iraq and syria, isil controls less territory than it did before. i made the point to my fellow leaders that if we want this progress to be sustained, more nations need to step up with resources that this demands. of course, the attacks in paris remind us that it will not be enough to defeat isil in syria and iraq alone. our nations are committed to strengthening border controls,
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sharing information, and stepping up information to stop the flow of foreign fighters in and out of syria and iraq. as the united states just showed in libya, isil leaders will have no safe haven anywhere and we will continue to stand with leaders in the muslim communities including faith leaders for the best voices to discredit isil's warped ideology. on the humanitarian front, our nations agree that we have to do even more individually and collectively to address the agony of the syrian people. is already thees largest donor of humanitarian aid to the syrian people. far.billion in aid so as winter approaches, we are donating additional supplies including clothing and generators through the united nations. the u.n. appeal for syria has less than half the funds needed. i am calling on more nations to contribute the resources this crisis demands. in terms of refugees, it is
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clear that countries like turkey, lebanon, and jordan, nowh are already very extra the burdens, cannot be expected to do so on. ensure our security. as president, my first priority this safety of the american people. as we accept more refugees including syrians, we do so only as we subject them to rigorous screening and security checks. we have to remember that many of these refugees are the victims of terrorism themselves. that is what they are feeling. slamming the door in their faces would be a betrayal of our values. refugeesn can welcome who are desperately seeking safety and ensure our own security. docan and must b both. we have begun to see modest progress on the diplomatic front which is critical because a political solution is the only
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way to end the war in syria and unite the syrian people in the world against isil. the vienna talks marked the first time that all of the key countries have come together. we have reached a common understanding. with this weekend's talks, there is a path forward. negotiations between the syrian opposition and syrian regime under the united nations, a transition towards a more are presented of government. a new constitution followed by free elections, and alongside this political process, a cease-fire in the civil these are obviously ambitious goals, hopes for diplomacy in syria have been dashed to four. there are any number of ways that this latest push could falter. there are still disagreements between the parties, including most critically, over the fate of bashar al-assad who we do not
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believe has a role in serious future because of his brutal and the war against the syrian people is the primary root cause of this crisis. what is different this time and what gives us some degree of hope is that, as i said, all major company -- countries on all side of the syrian conflict agree on a process necessary to end this war so while we are clear eyed about the very difficult approach ahead, the united states in partnership with our coalition will remain relentless on all fronts. military, humanitarian, and of the medic. we have the right strategy and we will see it through. i will take some questions and .egin with jerome >>

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