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north carolina did the national meeting of the hispanic bond association. to journal, today we discussed free speech on college campuses. ♪ good morning and thank you for joining us for the journal" we are going to devote the morning show to the issues of political correctness, free speech and tolerance. as you know, this has become an issue on campuses. it is certainly a subtext to a lot of currently -- current political debates. tolerance, wed want to talk to you about this.
independents, you can call in. you can get through if you want to make a comment via social media at http://twitter.com/cspanwj. atalways, you can e-mail us firstname.lastname@example.org. recent pew research center poll, 40% of millennial's ok with limiting speech offensive to minorities. here is the breakdown in this poll. yes millennial's are more likely -- government should be able to prevent people from saying these things total. 20% agree. millennial's, the 18 to 34-year-olds, 40% agree it 50% disagree. gen x, 27% agree. boomers,1 to 69 it --
51 to 69 years old. agree with that statement, 23% of the time. women, 33% of the time. republicans, 18%. democrats agree that government should be able to prevent people from saying these things that are offensive to minorities. democrats agree 35% of the time. independence, 27% of the time. this is a new hue research center poll. here is gene robinson's column in the washington post. this was published on november 23. republicans are the ones hiding behind political correctness. the republican presidential candidates on the far right echo chamber have made clinical correct for facts and opinions they don't want to hear. donald trump's claim that when
the world trade center towers collapsed on 9/11, "i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands of people were cheering. thousands of people were cheering. the post fact checked her columnist found no facts. he was given for pinocchio's. was abc's george stepanov pressed the gop front runner to explain himself, noting that police say it did not happen, trump has resorted to what has become a familiar dodge. know it may not be politically correct to talk about it, but there were people cheering. also more fond of the political correct allegations. is the theme of his campaign. it is unclear about whether he
knows what political correctness is. gene robinson goes on to write that it is not just the gop candidates who have the anti-political correctness bug. many conservative commentators have been quick to condemn the politically correct princeton university students who demand the school remove symbols honoring woodrow wilson, a one-time princeton president because of his racism. these critics ignore the historical fact that wilson was racist, not just by today's standards but by those of his time. he wrote that asking americans work and ignorant and inferior race. he lavishly praised the ku klux klan and pined for the confederacy. as president, he ordered that integrated federal government workplaces be segregated. in delhi cp founder w b the boys
wrote of one black curtain -- one black clerk who had a cage built around them to separate him. robinson writes it is truthful. that was in the washington post this week. krzysztof writing in the new york times. he is a columnist, a self identified liberal. mizzou, gail and free speech. we have seen wesley and students cut funding for the student newspaper after it ran an op-ed criticizing the black lives matter movement. at mount holyoke's, students production of the vagina monologues because they felt it excluded transgender women. christine lagarde at smith. but also initivity tolerance and it is
disproportionately an instinct on the left. i am a pro-choice liberal who has been invited to affect evangelical christian universities. catholic universities where i have praised condoms and birth control. i am sure it has comforted many students on these conservative campuses. in the same spirit, liberal universities should seek out pro-life, social conservatives to speak. more broadly academia especially the social sciences undermines itself by a tilt to the left. we should cherish all types of diversity including the presence of conservatives who infuriate us liberals. education is about stretching muscles and that is painful in the gym and the lecture hall. amongme frustrations minority students boiled over
after administrators seemed insufficiently concerned about offensive costumes for halloween. videos showed a furious student shouting down one administrator. she screamed it is not about creating an intellectual spin. that is a little bit from the krzysztof's column on this topic. we want to hear from you. we've got three hours on the washington journal. we are going to have this discussion. here are the numbers on your screen. lyrical correctness, free speech and tolerance. that is our topic. well, book tv was in miami last weekend for the miami book fair. while there, we spoke with peggy
noonan who brought up the political correctness issue. >> that gets me back to the first amendment of preoccupation. my dislike for an air of political correctness that is made everybody so nervous about how they might say the wrong thing. most people are not running around as linguist and norm chomsky. most people are just doing their best to express their thoughts. sometimes they will do it awkwardly or in elegantly. or even in a way that hurt somebody's desk person body else. we have to allow's -- we have to allow each other that room. the political correctness movement that we see that has been propping up for 25 years and has become more radical is not helping us understand each other better. it isn't helping us resolve our conflict. it is only making us more
inhibited and therefore more resentful. on our facebook page, tara posts the only one of these three is freedom of speech. lyrical correctness is bs and ruining this country. no one is tolerant of anything, especially different opinions. randy says political correctness and free speech cannot coexist. eric says political correctness equals treating others with respect. you can have free speech but if you can't treat others with respect, your words are meaningless. sarah is calling in. sarah, go ahead. you? host: how pretty good.er: i have laryngitis. i have to say i watched mr.
trump's comments. sick.k it is i don't necessarily say anything about political correctness. there is supposed to be humanity that we have. it seems to be leading us. -- leaving us. me that he is -- ok, stupid to attack somebody. his article said nothing about muslims. it just said people celebrate. somebody running for
actually that would control the world with his attitude, to me, is disgusting. host: that is sarah in mount vernon, new york. donald trump was in the news again this week for supposedly mocking a reporter. >> you got to see this guy. i don't know what i said. i don't remember. i don't remember. maybe that's what i said. this was 14 years ago. they did not do every check-in. host: that reported he is talking about works at the new york times. he has a chronic condition that impairs movement of his arms. the spokesman said they find it outrageous that trump would ridicule the man's appearance. back to our facebook page. kurt says when you complain about medical correctness, what
you mean is that you don't support free speech or tolerance for liberal ideas. that is why you only hear conservatives say i am not politically correct. "call christmas, christmas. called islamic terrorism, islamic terrorism. shut down the borders. one more comment. matt says within free speech, the line is drawn the legal limit. you do not shot -- you do not shout fire in a crowded room. anything other than that is fair game. jim is a republican in north dakota. a conversation on political correctness, spree -- free speech. caller: happy in business people's day. -- happy indigenous peoples day.
are you there? host: we are all listening. go ahead and talk into that telephone. caller: a couple of weeks ago i googled c-span washington journal dollars on race relations. on their that are supposed to be these examples of white racism. and some but he said the n-word to steve. if you listen to that on the youtube, you find out it is a black guy pretending to be a republican unit you were talking about the shooting of this kit in chicago. it was nothing but black callers whitee of them said people were genetically evil. i but that was pretty hilarious. it depends on what hate is. isches that asked despot pilate asked jesus what is truth. i often say what i call
diversity, wherever there is increased diversity, there is loss of freedom. yet to have more state controls to keep up with all of the different groups from offending each other here it diversity is not synonymous with liberty. diversity destroys trust and liberty. the more diverse we get, the more we become a police state. france is a great example. we are talking about france. france is only 7% muslim. that is the highest percent of any european country. their freedom of speech. they have closed their borders. they have 20,000 troops in the streets. i asked the people, how is diversity benefited france? how has it benefited any country? it hasn't. host: jim on the republican line. this is d in portland, oregon. caller: thank you.
i had a totally different direction for my comment. after listening to the last commentor, if you want to know what racism is, listen to this man. listen to this logic. listen and you will hear the environment that he was brought up in. we are already dealing with racism in this country. scaleon a much broader than anybody really wants to acknowledge. i do. i acknowledge that racism is the most basic problem that america has. until it deals with its racism, it will never be right. what i am thinking back to my original point. when you look at the children at those colleges and universities that are being called niggers and all kind of dehumanizing terms. these were the terms that made certain people able to enslave
them. to enslave people who did not look like they do. they pass this on to their children. it is not that a child is responsible for what an adult does. when one comes up in a certain environment, one becomes a product of that environment. we have to understand and admit that and try to deal with that. until we do, we are not going to make any progress. those children have every right to be respected and as dignified human beings with the same human potential as anyone else. shouldone to say they have to tolerate being dehumanized is an academic setting, they have a problem. thank you. host: that was d in portland. july, wrote in the new yorker about this issue. this is where the argument about the freedom of speech become most tone deaf.
the freedom to offend the powerful is not equivalent to the freedom to bully the relatively disempowered. the enlightenment principle that undergirds free speech also prescribes that the natural limits of one liberty light at the precise point at which it begins to impose upon the liberty of another. during the debates of the 1964 civil rights act, mr. cobb writes senator j lister hill of alabama stood up and declared his opposition to the bill by arguing that the protection of black rights would infringe upon the rights of whites. logic of a career negrophobe. some level of hills logic animates the current political climate. judy is in anchorage.
independent. actually i amr: a republican. , i did not say i was an independent. my question is this. wonder if you might ask them how is this affected either the number of applicants at these you -- at these prestigious universities like yale. is he going to affect the donations that they get from their alumni? think -- i would be concerned about my children are
grown, but i really believe in diversity of thought. that if youme cannot tolerate ideas that are different from your own, and you begin to define as intolerant anybody who disagrees with you, that we are in a lot of trouble. whyakes you understand there are people wandering around saying hey did you read the first amendment. we have a constitution. sometimes it is uncomfortable for people living under the constitution. host: did you have one more thought? caller: that was it. host: daniel is from sherman, texas. caller: good morning. host: we are all listening. please go ahead. i will be 65 and a
month. having grown up in the south in texas with a father who was literally a product of the depression. he was a professional person. a mother who grew up about 15 miles away in the south in texas who became a teacher and mother of four. it is difficult for me to lifetimed in my adult the freedoms that are so tantamount to what this country was founded on, how it was founded. whether you are talking about jefferson, all the way through into the 20th century. credulous and several of
my close friends who are in the same age group, similar backgrounds, similar education levels. college graduates. some multiple degrees. we laugh among ourselves but it is a sardonic laugh because political correctness to us means being able to have the worst ideas -- to have diverse ideas. or ifr it is a professor it is a judy making the comments which i woulds strongly agree with nearly everything she said. feel that we have lived too long and obviously
that is not the case. we sometimes feel that living in with a tedf texas cruz with his harvard education is willing to stop government and the funding to satisfy his own personal agenda. the world is not diversity. denialld is in complete of other people's fairly intelligent thought processes and actions. this morning on the washington journal, we are devoting all three hours to the issues of political correctness, free speech and intolerance. rick tweets and that bigots simply want license to
disrespect and marginalize undervalued people you'd -- people. they wish they would go away. brad, from michigan. what are your thoughts? caller: if you go to youtube, charlton heston did a speech on resisting cultural change. it is very eloquent. it describes its spot on you'd he basically describe political correctness as polite tolerance or polite tyranny. right now, this country is living on the desk living under --eral nazism or tear in his or tyranny. if he say the wrong thing, they can attack you and the government backs them up. i am old enough where i have seen the stuff come and go. as soon as the president is out of office, things are going to change because the pendulum
swings back and forth. everybody has had a stomach full of this political correctness garbage. he will leave the office and some intelligence will come back to this country. that is pretty much all i have to say. host: right before halloween, the new york times had a front-page article, halloween custom correctness on campus. feel free to be you but not me. kurt johnson writes that pocahontas, caitlyn jenner are no nose. if the wearer is japanese. options, atable necklace once leave the path, crayola crowns. a couple of -- a cup of starbucks coffee. or the protagonist of the where is waldo books. -- they are issuing
recommendations for halloween custom was -- halloween costumes on campus fending off a hint of offense. using the fairly new yardstick of cultural appropriation which means pretending for fun or profit to be a member of the ethnic or gender group to which you do not belong. they are sending a message that can be summed up in five words, it is dangerous to pretend. there is a great line, it is always best to stay away from it. microbiology major and director of diversity efforts at the associated students of the university of washington. university e-mailed to all students this week a six minute video of what not to do for halloween. there has already been one major collision this week that fanned the flames on thursday. the university of louisville and kentucky apologized to latinos after its president james ramsey
was photographed wearing stereotypical mexican attire at a halloween -- at a costume party for staff members on wednesday. he wore a some borough and friends to poncho and stood next to university workers who wore dressed as -- who were dressed as members of a mariotti band with some barrows, barack is an fake mustaches. the term cultural appropriation which emerge from the academia that has been applied more broadly say, to refer to the washington redskins fans wearing feather headdresses or what people in cornrows has drawn ire from opponents of political correctness. but supporters say it catches a truth that the melding of cultures is often about which group has the power to take liquid fromles or
another. the video issued by the university of washington shows students from various ethnic groups and of there is sexual orientations sing that almost any per trail of them can cause a wound. for example, justin in drag can hasgrate the struggle -- filled its facebook page of images of young people -- including white people in blackface and a man dressed as a our cultures the # are not costumes. michigan,versity of the dean has a webpage title cultural appropriation was the big deal. it urges students to ask themselves why they are wearing a particular costume and then to consider how accurate it is in depicting a culture or identity. woody in poughkeepsie, new york, thanks for holding. you are on the washington journal. our discussion today, little correctness, free speech. caller: good morning. how are you? i just want to get
to the root word of medical correctness and politics. the word is polite. i think americans have become very rude. they are not like to each other. it is the basis of civilization itself. perhaps before you say something offensive, think about what you're about to say. be considerate of other people's feelings. thisis the root problem of term that was created by the community about 20 years ago. it still stands true. being politically correct is just being polite. that is all i have to say. thank you. host: what do you do in poughkeepsie? caller: i am a musical therapist. i worked yesterday and am working today again. camilla georgia.
democrat line. good morning. caller: good morning. i am a black guy. i will be 65 years old monday on the 30th. it goes back down to having a conscience. my daddy was one of the first black police officers hired in miami. -- as i got older, i went into the military. now i am retired. i look back at it and i say you know what? i have to live by the love of my neighbor and the golden rule. we get a conscience from one another. -- they tooke word that word because it was insensitive to jews.
we've got to be sensitive toward each other. not being in denial. a lotrned [indiscernible] of them see we see all this racism. robinsonfirst jackie --the president, [indiscernible]i am not in denial that the constitution was wrote by white americans. you own everything, corporations, financial institutions, insurance companies and the wealth. -- all of us try to live by the constitution of the laws. you made them up. we want to live by them respectively and be honest it you could change this.
stop letting politics discriminate. stop discriminating. our servicemen who are fighting -- fighting together. we can watch sports all day and give each other 55. why can't we live together the same way. we've got back people working with you, spanish people working with you. -- i say hold up, let me defend the ones that work with me. those are some pretty good dues. and one of those white freedom workers. i commend them white individuals. they are speaking to what americans. they are saying man, we could change ourselves. these christians should stand up and say come together. and say enough is enough.
herbert ands camilla, georgia. whently, was this op-ed the college madness came to my campus, written by charles kessler. professor kessler joins us from california. what happened? guest: well, thank you for inviting me here at -- inviting me. what happened was an installment of what had happened just a few days earlier at gala -- at yale university. i call it halloween two the sequel. it is still a hard story. the controversy at yale emerged over some hypothetical hollowing costumes. at cmc, they were real hollowing costumes. dawnedes--two ladies had for a party. they just up as their idea of mexicans.
somebody took a shot which went on to facebook which then went everywhere. shortly there were protests on campus. really 24 hours or 48 hours had resulted in a campus revolution at claremont mckenna. during that revolution, has there been a resolution? guest: what happened was the president who was a very nice holdw invited students to a sit in in his office. this was the first time that an administration had invited students to conduct a sit in to protest the administration. took theing students president up on his offer. they issued a list of demands
within the day, he conceded two. these were demands or -- the man's for greater ethnic studies concentrations. and the faculty and curriculum. -- two administrative posts. diversity and inclusion in student life. familiarof fairly demands. the next day there was a outdoor shaming session in which the process of which the dean of students resigned, rather than be pushed. students confronted her and the president. it was an ugly thing. not quite as ugly as what happened at yale.
.imilar claremont mckenna students were more polite had better manners than the yalie's dead. they were similar. host: this is how you conclude your op-ed. that is what the protests are about, reordering campus. in the name of the marginalized and their sponsors in the faculty in administration, whose turn has come to enjoy their own reign of intolerance. when the leftist lack power they embrace free speech. now they have power, they don't need it. guest: when you look back to the protests of the 1960's and the first emergence of the new left. the first memorable incident took place at berkeley. it was the free speech movement. bywordeech was a kind of of that early version of new left politics.
nowadays, free speech is far down the list of the things that protesters at yale and missouri and claremont mckenna are asking for. there is a kind of hypersensitivity which is on their agenda which precludes traditional notions of shri speech. -- of free speech. -- you invite them to an argument. there is a huge difference between saying i am offended at something you have said which is the vocabulary of today's protesters. saying i disagree with something you have said. when you say i disagree with you, you are in effect initiating an argument. you are inciting some kind of reason or reply. you are inciting some sort of discourse about what is good for
people and whether the subject under discussion is good or bad. when you say i am offended, you are in effect putting an end to the conversation, rather than starting a conversation. the attitude increasingly on on ourand on display television screens and newspapers as a result of these campus incidents shows a great impatience with speech. students want safe zones. they want safe spaces. they want to avoid argument. they don't want to engage their employment -- their opponent. they don't want to persuade their opponent. i think it is more accurate to say they want to silence them. host: is there a bullying aspect? guest: there is a bullying aspect, both morally and in some cases physically. in and ofcourse
itself, that is not unusual in the high-intensity politics. it wasn't absence in the 1960's. thet was not absent in 1960's. salient developments in the controversies of the last otheror two has been the -- the quiet sense of the administration who seem to favor everything. say favor free speech they but at the same time they are willing to have their administrators and professors shouted down and dissenting students to the extent possible quieted as well. one of the glories of claremont mckenna has been a vigorous tradition of dissent. the local conservative campus
called the claremont independent had a marvelous editorial written by students objecting to the events on our campus. an editorial called we dissent. most of our student body and noblyy have been resistant to the worst kind of bullying in these situations. host: in your op-ed, you do say that the faculty at them up expended, it grew more hostile to the colleges original mission. the past two presidents --ourage to keep up with the mizzou taught administrators if they want to keep their job, just yield showed undergraduates no matter how prestigious the college, the same rules apply.
guest: yes, that is right. i think the thing that transfixed as the country is that they -- these are not questions of speech or presence or recognition. with's campuses are rife various centers for african-american studies, even asian american studies. there are all sorts of ethnic and racial centers on campus, programs on campus, it is not as though we were talking about the campuses of 30 or 40 years ago. today's colleges are essentially
populated by liberals and liberal democrats or democratic socialists of various kinds. theervatives are in faculties of the nation's best colleges, they are the endangered species. they are the marginalized on campus. not mores there is viewpoints, diversity on campus, i think liberalism is chasing its tail in these incidents. it is almost a conservative free zone college faculties these days. increasingly even student bodies. the suppression of other moderate and conservative political expressions on campus would lead
to a safer and more wholesome and more diverse campus, those notions are absurd it seems to me. host: charles kessler. government per suppressor desk government professor, things for your time. back to your comments on facebook. diane says i have failed to find political correctness in the u.s. constitution. you have the right to be offended and people have the right to offend. free speech is free. kerry says free speech, but when you get in a cops face, sorry, that is provoking an illegal action. correctness is a roy nation of this country. eric, freesay from speech is one thing, but hiding behind a free speech to attack .omeone that when one has to think what
is free speech is really about. daniel, mooresville, north carolina. independent line. political correctness, free speech and tolerance are the topics. caller: good morning. my name is jeff. about your talk color from texas that called up and talked about free speech going back to the forefathers. he's coming from a very white perspective because i am quite blackuring those times people do not have the freedom of speech. country people in this that feel that certain people don't even have a right to form an opinion or express what they feel. if you want to talk about tolerance, look at the lady in texas who refused to issue a marriage permit based on her
religion. she is a christian. that is tolerance? i don't get that. host: let's move on to joan, a democrat in new jersey. you are on the washington journal. caller: i think political correctness is run amok. not everything is meant to be racism. not everything is meant to offend someone. zones for black students, safe zones for white students. running the campuses which is ridiculous. the real world does not work like that. woodrow wilson said that american,hould be an not anti-american. i don't understand why people feel the way they do. at everything is meant to be
center. that is all. host: what you think about some of the efforts to remove woodrow wilson's name, face. caller: i think it is awful. president.was a i don't think that as a president you should be removed. i don't think that is right. host: you're in freehold, new jersey. it is close to i have relatives that went there. i don't think he should be removed. host: thank you ma'am. got it. john is a democrat. he is in illinois. john, you are on the washington journal. caller: i hope the fellow from
georgia is listening because i am a white vietnam veteran. i agree with the fellow from georgia. one thing when i was going to vietnam, a korean war veteran gave me some advice. he said become friends with the cook did become friends with a supply man. he told me when you call for help, you don't care who comes. ofeep that at the forefront my eyes so i work with that every day of my life. to be tolerant and easy in this country. i think we all agree with that. it is not easy. i remember what that fellow told me, when you call for help you don't care who comes. you'll care if the guys told, short or blue. as long as somebody comes for you when you're calling for help. i hope the guy from georgia is listening. god bless the guy.
god bless c-span, thanks you guys for having a program like this so people can listen to other americans. thank you very much. host: do you think it is gotten better? -- think it has gotten better? caller: personally, my tolerance has. we have to work at it. we have to work at it, just like we get up in the morning and go get a job. hey, let's have a really great weekend. got bless america. god bless you for working. host: that is john in illinois. last week and at the miami book fair, we spoke with joy and read of msnbc. her new book is called fracture. she also called -- she also talked about medical correctness. -- about clinical correctness. caller: these issues of not being offended are not political correctness. in a sense, they are broadly a
felt among that same group of voters that they are boxed in on what they can say and what they can post on facebook. a lot of what you're saying with the donald trump phenomenon is a sense of wanting to free themselves of political correctness. blacks and latinos are saying that you cannot just call me what you want. there is a fine line between what desk between removing political correctness means and just being offensive means. host: free speech and tolerance. jerry, go ahead. you had one caller call up maybe about five colors ago. he was a white guy. he was talking about being polite to people. i don't know where he was from. guy? host: goat
ahead and make your comment. caller: what i want to say is i'm a black guy and i think he is right. i think he is right on. he's the kind of guy that i would live right next door to. right across the street from. we could sit and talk it and be polite to one another. we could talk about a lot of different subjects. i don't care what it would be. what is going on in the black community with black people are think of it -- are thinking about. we don't have to insult each other. you can be a good neighbor to live across the street from. we could have good discussions insultwe don't have to one another. just be polite to one another. could ask each other all kinds of questions. he could ask me questions about why the black families are the way they are.
where they are headed by black women. i wouldn't get insulted by that. these are reasons for this there are reasons for these things. we could discuss them without having to insult one another here it -- another. host: what do you do in seattle? caller: i am retired. i was in seattle firemen. host: what was your experience like? said, youst like i can sit and have a decent conversation with a person. you don't have to call a person out of their name or anything. i talk with a lot of guys in the fire department. these were some of the best who were brought up in an atmosphere where they used to certainly was.
i talked with them and said you know something, a person to change. anybody can change if you want to. i can'teep saying change. that was the way i was raised. if you keep saying that to yourself, of course you're not going to change. you have to say well i am going to change. i am not going to try to just be out here trying to insult people like that. you can talk with people without consulting them. you can ask them any questions. the guy who called up, if you lived across the street from me, he could ask me any questions. if you have kids. my kids. they could come together, talk. and solveings problems. instead of insulting one another and wanting to fight and call each other names, whether it is a black person. there are racist black people.
i don't like being around it. that -- youame do can't do that. host: can you hang on and get a couple of calls that go hang on for a moment. thomas is in north las vegas. thomas, go ahead. can you hear me? peoplehink it is the that are getting offended who got the control. i grew up where we were taught sticks and stones were would break -- six and stones would break your bones. they really don't hurt you. they go i'm offended and then they start pushing you down and
acting like you are a bad person. truth, of accepting the i did not mean to offend you. they use it as an excuse to strike you down and to attack you. accepting you did not mean to do anything with anybody except have a conversation. that is all. have you felt intimidated by the issue of political correctness? illegal immigrants. on that one if the superior court's are writing laws and law , theys on the subjects are using that terminology. in public when you're trained to discuss it, you're saying you cannot use the term illegal immigrant. it makes it impossible to talk about because that is the terminology they are using in
the law itself. host: thank you, sir. let's hear from brian and st. francis bill, louisiana. brian? caller: good morning. all, there was one he had the said right idea. we are all human beings. i do believe the only thing that ,ould bring us closer together say some aliens were to come out of the sky and try to attack this world. we would all find ourselves together and see that we are all on the same page. america, the in way africans were brought to and they builtd this country on the backs of slaves. , havinghink about it
done that, that being said, the caucasians are still in that position that they were in from the inception. -- white -- the word is escaping me. supremacy. i'm sorry don't coming off. just don't cut me off. black folks do have a real case to bring against the united states. toyou look at what happened president obama when he first took office. those people said they would do anything they can to make certain he would not progress or bmx let president. -- or be an excellent president. obama should follow
suit against the united states for discrimination. he would win. if your the nine the president because he is black, just imagine how the rest of the world feels when they are black. host: let's listen to one more call. this is paul. we will back to our friend jerry. caller: what a call. black. my mom is my father is white. my brother is very dark. i am very white. to theoween, we went university of illinois circle campus. i went in blackface, he went in whiteface. no pc a sign on that said zone. we won first prize. everybody thought it was hilarious. it was uproarious lass.
-- uproarious lapse. the point i'm making is i get called honkey. he gets called whatever. it is a sum total game. it is not going to stop. that is the way it is. things a lot for listening. -- thanks a lot for listening. host: jerry, what did you hear that you want to respond to? caller: when i listen to your american public and we talk about the feelings that we have. i listen to a lot of the people that are having bad experiences. a white person having a bad expense with a black person. a black person having a better expense with a white person. i have had a white people call
me bad names. thethen turn around and be white person that just me just as nice. i don't do that. sayact, i will go as far to that some black people may not want to hear this. we would not be as far as we are if it wasn't for some white people. areould not be as far as we if it wasn't for some white people because there has been a lot of white people out there that have died and fought for us to get to where we are. the ku klux klan, do you think they just terrorize black people? they terrorized white people to. not only did like people build this country. asians, and a lot of other people build this country too. they got their history. if you go and read about
history, you find out there is a lot of people in this country that will say they helped build this country. the most important thing is this, for us to be tolerant of one another. and try to get along. that is what i am going to do today. i'm going to go out and try to be respectful to people. jerry, a retired fireman. i appreciate your time. karen treats and i would like to think people try to be inoffensive. whether it is pc or not. some may just be clueless. elliott says like soviet communists and third reich, national socialists, american liberals like to rewrite history. here's stephen, since president obama came into office, the intolerance from these right-wingers have hit the roof. h robert tweed sent, i disagree
that college camps is our liberal. my son teaches at harvard and it is now pretty conservative. margaret is in cooper, texas. margaret is a democrat. we are listening. caller: good morning, peter. good morning, c-span. my name is margaret and i was born in cooper, texas, that i have lived to most of my life in california. i have a problem in the racial discussions with racial tolerance. we were all made by the same god. what gives us the right to think we need to tolerate another person? we are all people. we are all brought in this world by god. we are all born the same, and we will all die the same. what gives anybody the right to think that you need to tolerate me as a human being, as a living, breathing human being? as far as that guy from seattle,
you know, he is right. i agree with that. a lot of different races have built this country. but those people were not brought here stacked on top of each other in slave boats. they were not thrown out into the atlantic ocean by the millions in order for them to build this country. they were here either by their own will or they came here because somebody asked them to come here. you don't have the right to tolerate me. i am a child of god. you don't have the right to tolerate me. you tolerate a bug. do you tolerate two flies? what do you mean, "tolerate?" i am a human being. i have every right as any other person in this world. i love america. i love where i was born here in texas. but we have a long ways to go. and until we change that tone
about how we deal with each other, we still have a long ways to go to get to equality and loving and respecting each other. host: that is margaret. we are going to leave it there. this morning on "washington journal," we are approaching at a little bit differently. we are talking all three hours talking about the issue of political correctness, free speech, and tolerance. and it has been a subtext of the political debates that are going on in this country as well. we wanted to get your viewpoint and hear from you. and that is our goal for this entire "washington journal." we spent about an hour so far doing it. we are going to put the numbers up on the screen if you would like to dial in. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 745-8002 for independents. comment, ao make a
lively conversation going on on facebook. and you can also tweet in what you would like to talk about as well. on monday nights this fall, c-span has been running a new series called "landmark cases." and one of those cases that we shenk versus the united states. it was about the espionage act, but it was also about the first amendment and its role in our country. here is part of that program from a couple weeks ago. this is thomas goldstein. >> this section of the first amendment being absolutist, the first amendment says congress shall pass no laws abridging the freedom of speech. holmes says is a kind of depends on the context. and that is where this notion of
crying fire in a crowded theater comes from. certainly we could prevent someone from being able to do that. then from there, from the idea that context matters, the supreme court goes on to say, here are the circumstances that the government can prevent you from doing something that interferes here with the war mobilization. and that standard varies from the justices over time. shenk is the very first time that they announced the role. but what it doesn't really mean is that there has to be a problem right now. the focus is just danger. and there was a danger, they thought, that it would undermine conscription. tweet, he orther she says i miss the hard edge "washington journal," not that syis we are all humans folk
kumbaya crap. caller: good morning. talking about this tolerance issue, particularly about the stare down with the protesters in chicago. that thatin my heart person should have been arrested for obstructing the police officers' view. i think the protester should have been warned that he had to step back and get in a reasonable difference -- distance. this kind of tolerance is allowing protesters to riot, people to interrupt the campaigns with their black lives matters and other political events for the kids in the college to parade through libraries and cause disruption. this tolerance, i believe, is
getting way out of hand. date line you see our there, you think of it as a racial issue? caller: no, no. i -- [indiscernible] i think that is the right way to go. but you have to do it in the confines of being orderly and not breaking the law. host: that is gary and cleveland. of the next is claire in compton, california on our independent line. clair, we are listening. -- claire, we are listening. caller: good morning. i used to be a liberal democrat, but i have been so fed up -- political correctness makes me sick. it is destroying our democracy brick by brick. appalled at-- th
what i have seen. political correctness is about free speech. if you don't agree, you can call it racist and bigotry and -- to o. this is not the way it is supposed to be. this is the night is -- this is the united states of america, home of the free. and my free speech is precious to me. host: what prompted you to write that? caller: i became so desperate. i really became upset. you couldn't have a discussion with anybody. i don't like people telling people what to do, think, or feel. i don't care what color you are. my thoughts are my thoughts, and my opinions are my opinions. and i hate this stuff. if you don't agree, this is what you are called.
all the buzzwords used. that is what it is. it is group think and group speech. i can't remember his name, he spoke out about, you know, the black lives matter and all this political correctness. and he didn't go along with the group. people can express their opinions. host: what do you do in compton? caller: i'm retired. i was a teacher. host: thanks for calling in this morning. christopher is down the road in long beach, california on our democrats line. caller: hello. host: hi. caller: i'm an african-american male. i don't quite fit the stereotype of what many americans think of african-americans because all of my life i have run into issues and i'm glad this topic for this
morning is political correctness because i'm going to share sort of my opinions on this. i just want to say that it depends on the context. as to whether or not you should be politically correct or politically incorrect. for example, i do think you should be -- you are being politically incorrect -- there are people who are criminals, and if someone is on the website and they want to move next door to me, i have the right to say no i don't want that person living next to my house or being involved with my family. and so i don't think that is being politically incorrect when there is a context like that. i do, however, feel that you are more than welcome to have free speech in other regards. if -- if the person that you are attacking is innocent, for
example, the muslim woman at my college who wear the headpieces, and i'm not muslim myself, i feel that i should respect their religion even though i don't agree with it. i feel like i should respect their religion, i now like to be politically correct in that sense because i would want them to respect part of my culture that they might not agree with. so i think it is only fair. host: christopher in long beach. next up is -- pardon me -- louisville, kentucky. rick on our republican line. caller: yes, i would like to understand -- i am very strong and staunch supporter of free speech, but i saw something several weeks back in des moines, iowa at a religious conference with kevin swanson, a very fiery evangelical preacher.
i think there were about 1700 out there in the audience. he was ordering them, and it was documented in the bible. he gave the passages. it was their duty, and his as well, to gather up all the homosexuals and to exterminate them. but there was a brief period of time he was going to give them to repent, change their ways, and become one of them. but this rant went on for so long, i know there were many offensive remarks he made referring to homosexuals, which is his free speech, but i don't know where you draw the line and i don't know who -- whose job it is, whether it is his community of evangelicals, which would not offend him because i'm sure if anybody from the outside or the government ever entrenched upon that right of free speech to
order, he said he was willing to be jailed for these believes and ordering this. i bet it is a different story if there those wakamos out goes and takes it as their responsibility to gather a group of people and exterminate them. i bet you he is not going to accept the responsibility, and i don't think he is the one that is going to go out and do it or leader group to do it. host: rick, do you think he should be restricted and what he could say? caller: i think he should be warned about the responsibility that comes with that type of free speech. when you order extermination, i mean -- host: who does the warning? caller: i don't know. if you do it through the government or a lawyer or somebody like that, advising him of his legal responsibilities, he is going to take offense at it. liberalt is like the
free-speech media attacking religion. he will only capitalize on that. but i'm telling you, i was floored. i was floored. but i think even he is going to take offense from his own evangelical community. but somebody has the responsibility. this thing runs on the internet. i am sure the 1700 that sat in the audience were not of that persuasion to go out and do that, but he order them through. he said he would take responsibility for it. but i bet when it comes down to it, when someone does it, he will assume no responsibility. and i understand his frustration in getting all caught up in all the rhetoric, but even black lives matter. when someone advocates murder of the police, they immediately address the issue. and they do it publicly. and i don't know, it is very tough question. who addresses it, who edits him?
host: that is rick and louisville, kentucky on our republican line. this tweet, the aclu famously defended rush limbaugh and neo-nazis marching in illinois. the first amendment protects us from government only. charles is coming in from iowa. i've butchered it, what is the name of your town? caller: it is -- [indiscernible] host: thank you very much. a democrat. caller: [laughter] all this talk about political incorrectness and every other problem that we have in this country could all be solved if our court system was fair for everyone. know, you can go to jail for minor, minor things. and it doesn't matter whether
you are white, lack, yellow, it makes absolutely no difference. the courts are absolutely not fair. example is this gentleman that was bumped by a sliding door or some do thing and got $21 million settlement? i mean, that is crazy. you can kill somebody, for god's sake, and the person upon's family who lost that loved one -- person's family who lost that loved one gets nothing. if our laws were fair for every person that was picked up for any crime whatsoever, and they all got the same type of penalty, we would have no problems in this country. host: that his trials in iowa. -- that is charles in iowa. onis seeks to ban r word
school attire. when jared brought his five-year-old son to school, he immediately noticed that the school's principle or a burgundy and gold polo shirt bearing than name and logo of washington's national football league team, the redskins. patrick in pompano beach, florida. the independent line. yeah, this is kind of
classic c-span. why is it always just white and black with you guys? i doubt we would hear political correctness and freedom of speech from ill crystal if people were's -- bill kristol if people were spring not see -- nazi symbols on synagogues. but it seems to be ok for whites and blacks to do it. and a classic thing of c-span -- steve, of course, on sunday said about a two second thing, there was a right over a police officer shooting a black man in october. that is it. he doesn't say, well, the attorney general covered it up. they knew this guy was shot 17 times from 20 feet away with his back turned. and the attorney general came out and say he lunged at the officer with a knife in his hand. and they just released the tape over a year ago.
is that politically correct? when the police cover up a murder of a police officer? i bet c-span would have this tolerance if it was wet against jews, hispanic against jews -- white against jews, hispanic against jews. country go right back to the holocaust, but black people go back to their church burnings, the kkk, not getting the right to vote after world war ii. what is this crap with c-span? host: patrick, what do you do in pompano beach? we will never know. smith, a senior editor, sent out this tweet. it had to do with what happened at the university of missouri. jamil smith road, i know what it is like to get a threat on life as a college campus -- on a
college campus because you are black. mr. smith, what happened to you jekyll -- to you? guest: my freshman year, right around midterms were happening, and i after the phone in my dorm room. my dorm is the boys' college house. you have a college health system. it has reduced different residences for students. this one was primarily geared towards african-american history and interests. call late at night, and the first question is, is this the nigger dorm? and i asked him for clarification about that. and i wasn't sure if i have heard it correctly. and he repeated the question. night, otherthat classmates of mine at the same
kind of calls all throughout the building. and one of those calls was a bomb threat, so we had to of accurate the building in the early hours of the morning. so that was my first experience not just with campus racism, but with being called a nigger at all. host: said it happened at the university of missouri was intolerable. what was the intolerable part? guest: i mean, as we know, a lot of the started with one of the student body leaders, a black man, being referred to with racial slurs throughout campus and complaining about this and not being taken seriously. you have two things that were intolerable. first, of course, the racial slurs in the education environment or any environment. but also the lack of attention, the lack of seriousness with which the administration addressed these complaints. smith, we are talking
about political correctness, free speech, and tolerance this morning. given what you have said about your personal experience and what you think about what happened at the university of missouri, what else would you say about political correctness and free-speech? guest: well, i would say that political correctness is amongst the least of our problems. i would say correctness is something that people who frankly don't have much to complain about are terribly concerned with. i mean, political correctness to me is simply a -- you know -- a way to make kindness sound on advisable. it is a way to make what is -- what we used to regard as human decency. simply, you know, something that is being pushed by the liberal media and what have you. it is not at all that. political correctness, to me, it's simply taking into account
the experiences and the life of your fellow woman and man, and making a determination that i am going to respect their experiences. i am going to respect what could possibly hurt them. i'm going to make sure that i taylor and experience to their -- tailor an experience to their life. it makes all the sense in the world to me that you have, especially in the collegians environment where people are learning to relate and learn how to talk to one another the first time, people learning how to deal with incidents like this. and i love the fact that you have campus activists driving that point home and making people understand that it is not simply about tiptoeing around language, it is about human respect. host: what do you think about the use of so-called safe zones,
and what they are calling triggers? iuest: well, it is not -- mean, triggers are something that people have been talking within regards to race, but in regards to gender. i think it is important to understand trigger warnings through the experience of women who are traumatized by, you know, their previous experiences perhaps with sexual abuse or rape. this is something that is very real. and at think of very privileged section of our populace has trouble understanding this, and therefore makes fun of it when you see, you know, women complaining about being triggered in class by material that heavily involves ordeals with sexual assault.
have was valuable to me -- hearing the stories of women who talk about being triggered by, you know, a comment or something you may consider a necklace -- innocent is incredibly enlightening. and i think that would do us a lot of benefit if we stopped ridiculing those people who talk about triggers and talk about needing to host: -- you know -- increase sensitivity in our discourse. why don't we listen to them first? jamil smith, senior editor for "the new republic." thank you for your time this morning. guest: thank you. ist: a recent article, this the sheriff down there.
sheriff's politically incorrect sign trust our reaction. here is what he posted outside his sheriff's office. warning: harris county is a politically incorrect -- is politically incorrect. we same era christmas, god bless america, and in god we trust. we salute our troops and our flag. if this offends you, leave! and this is sheriff mike jolly in harris county, georgia. he went on to say that he has approximately 75 employees. when asked how those who perhaps aren't christian mayfield, he said they are more than welcome to worship whatever god they choose fit. for me and mine, we worship jesus christ. catherine is coming in from yale, oklahoma. republican line. caller: morning. i just wanted to say to mr. smith, sorry that happened to you. there are stupid white people. gunpoint by at black guy, and that doesn't mean
i hate all black people. i am just wondering how hard those kids that are gallivanting around there on the campus are working for their education because i hope the taxpayers' money is not being wasted on all that. and to verify about dr. cousin -- he never said he didn't want a muslim to be president. he said he would have one as president if they went by the american laws and our way of living. , like theya law believe they are trying to get over here, women can't drive. if women have an affair, they stone you to death. if you steal something, they cut your hand off. believe me, i agree with dr. carson, i don't want a muslim to believe in that that -- to be president, either. and the lady talking about mr. trump making fun of people, she turned right around and called
him stupid. stupid tocan't be too be as rich as he is and everything. and they claim republicans don't care about immigrants. it is not we don't care about them, but our country is broke. they have cut our military disability checks. now our military is at the lowest it has been as far as anyone can remember, if you are contemplating sending our guys into syria. you know, they send the refugees over here. no jobs, no food, no homes, no clothes. our country is broke. host: that is catherine in yellow, oklahoma -- yale, oklahoma. stan tweets in, political correctness is just a tool to destroy the first amendment. as gun control is a tool to destroy the second.
on our independent line is michael and south dartmouth, massachusetts. caller: good morning. thanks for c-span, and in my humble opinion, i find your program evenhanded. the report the issues and you let the american public call in and give their opinion. in my opinion, this political correctness is a bunch of malarkey. people cannot say what is on their minds anymore. there are three types of people in america. the elite, who i call the kings and queens, the workers like me, and the people who take. i am a construction worker. , and i haveblack been in the construction field with -- for 35 years. i work with black people, asian people, women.
as long as you do your job, you have no problem. and as far as political thisectness -- you know -- black lives matter stuff -- -- you know -- i agree -- you know -- i agree with some of it, but africans bringing up coming over on chips, i didn't bring you over on ships. my grandparents and great grandparents didn't bring you over on ships. we are in 2015 now. we all have the same right. you have to work. and provide for yourselves. and don't worry about what the other guy is doing. just worry about yourself. and try to better yourself and that is about all i have to say. you have a great day. host: toledo, a democrat. caller: hi. yeah, i was just wondering is it politically correct -- hello?
host: we are listening. caller: i was wondering if it is politically correct to say african-americans created rock and il, blues, jazz, wonder if it is politically correct to say that african-americans is the greatest athletes in the whole world? and is it politically correct to say that african people have the greatest minds in the whole world? i mean, what are we doing in america? we divide each other every day. and we let them get away with it. whenmedia, they -- they -- they kicked african-americans out of his ball, the media bury
this. was that politically correct? host: that is calvin in toledo. and -- we talked with another author last weekend in miami on about political correctness. >> i was through this myself. i am part of the 1960's generation, and we were acting up on campus much worse than people are acting up on campus today. but looking back on it with the mature eye of adulthood, we were all jerks. and someone should have told us to stick a sock in it and get a job. and looking at the little jerks today, i am inclined to say much the same thing. speakingke -- it is -- -- speaking truth to power, it
is really easy when power can't do anything to your. i could sit right here and speak truth to power about kim jong-il and he is helpless. i'm in miami, he is in korea. and when you are on college campuses these days where students will and you can get out there -- rule and you can get out there and scream and yell and there is not enough variety at the sushi bar and your cafeteria, test knock it off. host: and we have an hour and a half left in this morning's washington journal." out topic, political correctness, free speech, and tolerance. we have shown you some video. we want to continue to hear from you. get your views on this issue. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 745-8002 for independents.
also get through via social media. quite a lively conversation going on on facebook as we speak, and on twitter as well. on our democrat line from blackstone, massachusetts, this is susan. susan, good morning to you. caller: good morning. i kind of agree with mr. o'rourke. i went to college, and you might have a good idea -- and i think their idea is probably valid -- these kids -- but you kind of overdo it. [laughter] shockedactually i was at what you said about president wilson. being such a big it, i didn't realize that. and perhaps he shouldn't be given any place of honor. just well, susan, can i extent that thought jekyll there
is quite a -- thought? ande is quite a movement success in taking down confederate monuments, renaming dorms or buildings that are named after confederates. is that proper in your view? becausei think the flag it was a symbol. know, thegainst, you slaves at the time, and even in the 1950's and earlier before the -- before the law was passed making everything equal. history,etting rid of or historic figures, might be like almost denying our past. i can see why people would want to do that, but even with wilson, he was president could and part of our history. so maybe -- president.
and part of our history. so maybe going too far could also be a bad thing. the other point i wanted to make was we are all immigrants. yes, the blacks were brought here as slaves. that was unconscionable, and we still in this day and age try to -- try to make it better for everybody. but also, the chinese were brought here to build railroads, and i'm sure they were not treated well. when the irish came escaping the -- the famine, there were signs irish and't hire the don't hire the italians. we all seem to have had hard times as immigrants coming to this country. but we are a country of immigrants. and the more we can integrate,
the better off our country is. enter integrate, we need to teach our children from day one respect for each other. that is the secret. it is not so much tolerance, consulted.ady it is respect. and you can't judge a person unless you have walked in their idea, you walkan in their shoes for a month or whatever. but i think the biggest thing, and i noticed that a lot of the callers used that word, "respect." if we respected one another, respected each other's faith, respected each other's orientation, instead of judging all the time, we might be better off. and -- host: we are going to leave it there. that with susan in massachusetts.
this is michael and -- in new jersey, the independent line. caller: good morning. i see your show, and i really appreciate this topic and the way that you exemplify the three things that you are talking about and hearing what each of us has to say. i am sure political correctness, free speech, and tolerance are different for each and every one of us. but i more closely believe in that little latin phrase on our currency. out of many, one. i hear america speaking this morning, and i, for one, really appreciate it. i guess i will have to be tolerant of people and people will have to be tolerant of me. i now i am having my moment of free speech. maybe i am politically correct in my own way, maybe i'm not. but again, my hat is off to your channel. you are doing such a great job.
host: michael, what do think about some of these debates going on on campus? removing woodrow wilson from the building, images, things like that. having safe spaces for minority students. caller: again, it is america. i have to be tolerant of it. if i want people to tolerate me, i must tolerate what they have to say. it doesn't offend me. it might offend somebody else, and i have to understand that. but some of us have the cards, others -- some of us have thick hearts, some of us have thin hearts. :e have survived all of this civil war's, world wars, revolutionary wars, our current conflicts, but somehow through it all we remained americans.
and i appreciate the different things i'm hearing this morning. if they want to take down wilson, be careful because the next time it is you that is being offended. it isust have got to -- part of being american. host: what do you do in new jersey, michael? caller: pardon? host: what do you do? caller: i live here. i work for the federal government. i do it out of choice now. i was in private industry for many years. i came late to government service. this country has been wonderful to me and mine. it has been difficult to me and mine also, but i don't -- i just can't see that somebody has come up with something better where you can call into a show like this this morning, and it is important for me to speak this morning as important as it is to
hear what everybody else has to say. host: this was a piece that was published by jordan pohlman in the university of southern california's "daily trojan" newspaper. when i wase writes, 19, island what cultural appropriation was. it was in a classroom at stanford in a white professor's lesson called why cultural appropriation is never ok. the professor presented many examples of how cultural appropriation manifests itself. the one example that stuck with me was when i committed many times: wearing clothing with native american patterns. after that lesson, i immediately went home and threw away the offending blouse. it iss on to write that usually defined as the process of taking an element from a disenfranchised group and turning it into a commodity or
entertainment. through scholars -- though scholars and native tribes argue native american culture is constantly misappropriated in this country, many times we never flesh out what is exactly so wrong with that. defining cultural appropriation is also difficult because our society struggles with determining who is disenfranchised. it is an ideal time to do so on college campuses, though, because many campuses around the country are grappling with inclusion and giving enough voice to minority students. furthermore, in our increasingly globalized world in which cultures mesh together, we are exposed to so many concepts and societal elements. universities are places where we are dedicated to gaining more insight into complex ideas. on campus and within classrooms are opportunities for professors to identify what is cultural appropriation. and what it is not. and that was in the "daily
trojan." this was in the "washington post ," a column from this week. well, don't blame the students, she writes. it would be easy to call protesting college students crybabies were pitching hissy fits over hurt feelings, but this likely would lead to such torrents of tearful tribulation that the nation's university system would have to shut down for a prolonged period of grief counseling. besides, it would be insensitive. instead, she writes, let me be the first to say it is not the student's fault. these serial tantrums are direct results of our everybody gets a trophy culture, and an educational system that, for the most part, no longer teaches a core curriculum, including history, government, and the bill of rights. the student simply don't know any better. this isn't necessarily to excuse them. everyone has a choice whether to ignore a perceived slight or to
form a posse. but as with any problem, it helps to understand it source. the disease, i fear, was auto induced with the zealous pampering of the american child that began a few decades ago. the first sign of the epidemic of sensitivity we are witnessing was when parents and teachers were instructed never to tell johnny that he is a bad boy, but that he is act like a bad boy. next, johnny was handed a blue-ribbon along with everybody else on the team even though he didn't deserve one. this had the opposite effect of what it was intended. rather than protecting johnnies fragile self-esteem -- johnny's fragile self-esteem, the price under my did johnny's faith in his own perceptions and judgment. earned, notis bestowed. today's campuses are overrun with little johnnys, their female counterparts, and their
adult and neighbor looks -- adult enablers. that is a little bit from kathleen's column this week. trenton, new jersey is up next. the independent line. caller: hi, and good morning. and it is a wonderful show, getting to hear the thoughts and ideas of my fellow citizens. there are so many things that have been talked about that it is kind of hard for me to figure out which one i want to comment on. i want to try and focus on one or two items. one thing that strikes me is there is a lot of discrepancies that were talked about in terms of people saying, well, not complaining and just go out and stop complaining and just go out and get a job. from personal expense i found that is not true. that is just not true for black americans in many cases who were the last hired and the first to
be fired. who were discriminated against on jobs. that is just a fact. and as far is i am concerned, this discussion should focus on fact. it is not just about opinions, it is about what is true. what is factual. was woodrow wilson -- did woodrow wilson have ideas and carry them out in certain ways? either he did or he didn't. i think we should look at immigrants, the people who were kidnapped here. one woman talked about how immigrants come in -- came in and they were discriminated against, the iris, the italians. well, they came here voluntarily versus being kidnapped. their families were not torn apart and sold to all different places across the country, as were black people who were brought here to be enslaved.
so there is a really big difference there and how people who came to this country as quote on quote immigrants were treated and allowed to live versus those who were kidnapped and who never were allowed to know what it felt like to struggle for your family because you are always forced to struggle for white people. so, you know, it becomes a question of who suffered more historically. and i think the fax speak for themselves -- facts speak for themselves. and the last thing you want to speak on is the notion of civil rights, and how those defendants of people who were kidnapped, of which i'm one, fought so hard. and finally in the 1960's -- [indiscernible] -- a settlement only to be stampeded by other quote unquote minorities and women looking for their rights. our people fought for them, and then everybody else trampled
over us and got more than we got. so, i think there is some facts here that need to be dealt with in terms of who suffered more and who continues to get a leg up because of the legacy of this country being built by kidnapped and enslaved lack people. host: we are going to leave it there. facebooksts on our eight, i got a line at with respect. how hard is it just to respect each other? i will never understand why people feel that it is ok to say into hateful things to others just based on the differences between them. live and let live. david, nebraska, republican. good morning. we are talking about political correctness, free speech, and tolerance this morning. caller: yes, i just think it is just -- it is getting to be out of line. to beow, they just seem taking everything clear out of context.
1950's and wethe had differences among all of us. but we all got along together. kids went out and played with each other, but i think our problem is as a democratic party where they try to stick the nation. and this president -- and talking about woodrow wilson -- this president has put this country more since the civil war -- he is after everybody and after the christians and hillary saying her enemies with the republican party. not prices, but the republican -- not isis, but the republican party. and these kids think that you get free college and $15 an hour and they don't know how to do anything. thank you. bye. host: up next is wayne in richmond, virginia. a democrat. caller: good morning.
good morning. host: we are listening. caller: the caller that just called, i have been listening to c-span for 25 years. i'm 56 years old. ok,t: wayne, you just -- don't look at your television. turn it down. talk into your telephone. we are all listening. caller: all right. to the caller that just called, i have been listening for a very long time. everybody compares themselves to the black people and their struggles, which is true. but what you don't understand -- i am from chicago, but i am a virginian. i was cold at a gas station getting gas and they said i ran a stop sign. i didn't know what he was going to do. i was just pumping my gas. he comes up, grabs me by my throat.
doesn't say anything, knox me to the ground. i am an amputee. so he knocked me down, he took my prosthesis off. and he started shoving my face. this is march 1, 2015. he just went berserk on me. just because he is white doesn't mean he is racist because black cops will do that to you, too. i was arrested, my car was towed, and the next thing i know he had busted a whole -- hole in my foot. , my shackled to the bed hands are shackled. why would you do that to me? and then they set me in the ambulance and i just sat there. the next thing i know, i went to the hospital and the doctor was going to give me x-rays. i was shackled to the bed with my hands and my feet. host: wayne, our topic this
morning as political correctness. caller: i'm talking -- host: could you bring it to a conclusion? that would be great. caller: -- it didn't make any sense to me because me being in the hospital with this guy in the room with me, they wouldn't let me use the bathroom. so i had urinate and defecate on myself. host: that was wayne in richmond, virginia. we are talking about some of the things that are going on on college campuses, and we are talking about some of the political subtext that is happening in the political campaign with regard to political correctness, free speech, and tolerance. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 745-8002 for independents. earlier today, we showed you some video from our "landmark cases" series that happens on
monday nights here on c-span, where we look at some of the major cases that the supreme court has case -- faced. this is on the first amendment and political campaigns. this is, again, from the shenk versus united states case, the world war i era case dealing with the espionage act. >> there are lots of different parts of the first amendment. what the caller is talking about is around political campaigns, around conventions, you can have people who want to protest. the question is will the government exclude the protesters? you are going to have to create some place for protesters to be able to say what they want to say and communicate their message without unduly interfering with the political campaign that is going on. so that is -- you know -- developed in the law over a long period of time. it is relatively uncontroversial right now that what we do in the
first amendment is really balance two different kinds of speech because the convention is a form of political speech, the protest is a form of political speech, and we are trying to have that marketplace of ideas to let both happen. host: elizabeth is coming in from syracuse, new york. our democrats line. good morning. caller: hi. ands raised by my mother, she didn't -- she had a sixth grade education. us to michigan. and one thing that my mom taught us all is that you have to respect everyone. you don't make excuses for how you speak to someone or how you react to someone. you always have to do what is right. she raised 11 kids, and she worked very hard. i remember when there was a riot
in michigan after dr. martin luther king was killed. and she said, i don't know why they are doing this. and then i remembered a time where she told me that when i worked in the fields, i thought it was normal. she didn't understand what was the big concern about when they picked cotton. she just thought it was normal. one thing that she wanted all of us to do is go to school, get our education, and be the best that we could be. my family today consists of blacks and whites because my grandchildren are mixed and i have grandchildren that are not. and i feel proud of my mother and i'm proud to say that she gave me because i'm able to live
my life through her, and threw her fifth and my faith in the lord jesus christ. host: that is a elizabeth in syracuse, new york. this is bill in michigan. bill, calling in on our republican line. caller: good morning. i believe i called independent. i'm not a republican. host: you got it. you are right. the independent line. caller: i think all the people who are conservative should get off that republican line because we know they are not conservative. anyway, my children are child educated. -- are college educated. i'm not. i made sure my sons were paid i told them when i went to this camp is -- were. i told them when i went to this campus they lost family members in the civil war. no telling what those relatives would have done to our families.
maybe we would have been college educated years ago. you stand tall because they shed your family's broad -- blood for this freedom. i don't have to like nobody. i choose who i like and who i don't like. thank you. host: bill in michigan. writing in the new york times, an op ed. the executive director of a writer group called the pen american center. free speech has long been a potent weapon for disenfranchised groups used to expose -- and prevent the powerful from silencing dissent. as john lewis said, without the media, the civil rights movement would have been like a bird without wings. the champions of the speech -- d opposed
resist the university's efforts to silence them. the missouri protesters halfheartedly awaken to this point, standing up for the protector for -- for the photographer whom they had shot. moreover, without free speech, they safe spaces students crave will soon suffocate them. social movements must evolve or they die. ideological and even tactical evolution demands willingness to hear out heterodoxy. administrators and commentators, she writes, need to acknowledge students' well-founded concerns. they are bent on eradicating the messages over racism as well as the prejudices that fuel it. and are demanding that the leadership of their institutions join the push. instead of dividing trigger andings, safe spaces,
costumes, free-speech opponents need to advance alternatives that resonate with the student they want to reach. -- students they want to reach. instead of insisting that individual rights not be subordinated, advocates need to explain how free speech can fortify that ethic. they need to tackle ways that racism and discrimination can themselves chill speech. jim is calling in from fort lauderdale on our republican line. jim, you are on the "washington journal." caller: good morning. free-speech is so very, very important because it is a deterrent to agenda narratives. and we have to very destructive -- two very destructive agenda narratives going on today. number one is slavery. and number two is the iraq war. down if id be shut were to talk against the agenda
narrative of slavery today on a college campus, which is a shame because black people are never going to be able to really advance as well as they can until they give up the agenda narrative of slavery. i don't have anything bad to say about people who talk about slaves being brought over in chains and how badly they were treated, but there are some things that need to be added to this history of slavery. you never hear. for example, the columnist did not -- colonists did not enslave the people who came over. they were enslaved by other black people. the african chieftains. the colonists did not even ship them over to the united states. they were shipped over mainly by the portuguese. and the last i heard, they were
not a lot of portuguese living in the united states. when they got here, the white people had never seen a black man before. they didn't know what to think of them. but they were, they were told that this is what they are for. they were told this is for being a slave. we think of things that happened in history in today's terms. you need to put yourself back in you really did not know what to think of a black man, but you're being told they need to be a slave. you buy them because they are needed. now, let's jump forward in history 21963. this is before the civil rights 1963. one interesting thing happened in the united states, the one thing was the discovery of rna. in 1963 and announcement was made in the general media that
blacks were exactly the same as whites. now, why would that be a big headline? if you believe the narrative today, we should have already known that. thaterybody already knew come with and why would it be such a big headline? the truth of the matter is that until rna came along, people did not think that black people were the equal of white people genetically. i am sorry, it is true, it is ignorant, it is dumb, but it is only done in today's terms. that is the way the nation revolved. we have a lot of callers on hold. the topic is freedom of speech and expression. as long as people of the right not to listen, read our review we need the other portions.
is in oregon north carolina. democrat. we are listening. i have watched over the past 20 years a gradual change for the better. we arealso saw what experiencing what i consider reverse discrimination. and youturn on the tv can watch comedy show after comedy show, you can watch movie after movie where, and i have also worked in a workplace where i have experienced this, working in the workplace as well as in private industry, where it is ok for a black man to use the inward nonstop, but if a white used it, even in joking, he was chastised over. generationsral talking about slavery, and
several generations since the civil rights movement, and yet they talk like it acted -- happened yesterday, even though they never had any experience like what those people went through. yet, they just want to stir the pot and create problems, instead of move on. it happens with both white people and black people and so forth. it happens both ways. when you look back at the civil rights movement when it took , a lot of the speeches have been clipped, when they started uniting the poor whites with the blacks, that is what got him killed. people talkar about poor whites and poor blacks was virginia, now we've got to the point where it is being used as a crutch to crush other people. that wehink it is time look at things as being in the past, and we prepare to come into the future.
we let it be ok for one side to do a thing and not ok for the other side from both points of view. host: thank you. from organ. -- oregon. outan reid has a new book called fracture. talking abouts protests in history. >> there has been a debate about campus speech going on for 50 years about whether or not thats speech mongering or young people are becoming anti-free speech and our closing themselves off from ideas they're not comfortable with, you have comedian's they do not want to do camps is anymore because the students to not want to do anything that hear anything that will defend them. they don't want debates, they just want to wall themselves off from unpopular speech. i think that is not a new debate, it is not just about speech at missouri. they are being caught up by the right which believes that
college campuses are filled with anti-conservative bias and that conservative views are being written off on campus and locked away and outlawed almost. i think the missouri case was different than that. it was not about free speech. it is about with those students saw his abuse. you speech does not permit to abuse someone. i think those people felt abused. it is interesting because when you go back to an barack obama was at harvard law, at the same time, there were all of these campus protests over the lack of diversity in faculty, even in the african-american studies department. it was in charge by white woman. debates.e all of these this or that administrator was asked to resign, that did not happen. but you did have a movement that brought henry louis gates of the campus. when we get into the demands for change, they have been happening for a long time. host: we have some comments from
our facebook page. facebook.com/c-span. toes says there is no line draw. current laws are adequate when enforced. is prejudice.ance the ones who labor themselves tolerant are some of the most intolerant people. they are against anybody who's does not line up with their view of tolerance, and kevin says democrats are only for freedom of speech as long as the speaker agrees with what they do. john is an independent in hot springs village arkansas. you are on the washington journal, free speech, political correctness. tolerance. go. guest: thank you. it is a matter of perspective. you're a democrat, republican or independent. give liberals, moderates and conservatives.
we have a short thing that breaks us down. people talk about conservative and liberals. if a conservative does not like guns come he does not buy one. if a liberal does not like guns he wants all guns outlawed. if a conservative is a vegetarian he doesn't eat meat, if a liberal is a vegetarian he wants all meet band for everyone. if a conservative is down and out he thinks about how to better his situation, a liberal wonders who is going to take care of him. if a conservatives is not like a talk host he switches channels. thatals demand that those they don't like be shut down. if a conservative is a nonbeliever he does not go to church, a liberal nonbeliever wants every mention of god and jesus silenced. the bottom line is political correctness equals intolerance. free speech equals tolerance. host: that is john hot springs
arkansas. this is tom calling in. i'm not sure what number punched in, but let's go to new jersey on our republican line. caller: hello. i would like to say that i like what the other guy said. that is the way it works. at any rate, i think that this whole thing with the race and everything my dad was very racist. i was born in 1960. i saw a lot of stuff that went on as a little kid. a big it also. he did not like anybody. if you're an italian come at you anything. he did not like you. i think things are going better. i think things are doing better. carry some of the
tendencies of my dad, but it's going away. people say the kids don't even know this stuff anymore. think why does is keep getting brought up? i think it would have been good, but the wound has been opened up again. it is crazy. i think that we were growing out of it as a nation. it seems to me a lot better than some of these other countries. let onethat people nation try to assimilate. i call it assimilate because they say it to people from other countries. i think people in this country need to assimilate to each other. i think that that would solve a lot of things people would get one-on-one with this group or that group. speech -- cutting
freedom of speech for all white people of political correctness is not going to help. there is no room for discussion. host: tom in new jersey. thank you. this is pete on a democrats line. hello. thank you. you guys are doing a great job. i appreciate it. screener,aying to the i'm sure that political correctness may have started off with some kind of good intention which is what the road to hell is paved with. everybody -- like looks like anybody skin is getting thinner and thinner. arguments that are being made are exemplified by some of the most extreme thinking. tolerance is something that, for me was an inbred thing.
everybody has a right to be heard. they cannot all be heard at once. though we are losing our focus and focusing on things that are not as critical as they once were. -- pg reportaking may have been closer to the truth of the analysis when he says when we were young they just said put a sock in it. exchangeshould be the of free ideas. everybody should be up to say with a feel and what they believe. nobody should be prevented. free speech is exactly that. if you cannot listen to the most hateful speech, how can you guarantee that we will have the right to be able to speak ourselves echoed -- ourselves?
host: you sound frustrated. caller: i'm an old man. kid, my dad was in the air force. we moved around every few years. i lived in texas, mississippi, alabama, when i lived in mississippi and alabama they still had signs up that said whites only. or colored entrance. i was offended by all of that. it did not seem right. it still does not seem right. eventually, hopefully, eventually, all of the stuff, all of the people who think this way, the runway that is intolerance. the people who think that the skies falling and that things are terrible, they are not. they really are not. this is a great country. i think that we should all take pride in that. i wanted to mention one thing.
the previous caller from nebraska does not represent us as nebraskans. now, i'm a blooming from a red state. listen, we are a commonsense red state we are not a crazy red state. thank you. i appreciate you listening. i appreciate them by calling in, even if i do not agree with what you think. thank you. from nebraska, that was a mouthful. rachel is calling in from miami. republican. caller: good morning. i am 80 years old. i came to america in 1964. i have been able to observe a lot. , in my opinion the black culture and the white culture do not mesh very well. it is time that we admit it because we're not doing blacks any favors by letting them know
that they're the same as the whites. we just have different backgrounds, different cultures. we are asking for a problem. i was here when they bust children to the school in miami beach. they bust many blacks, and i saw that we're doing a blacks no favors because they were not --e to learn in the same same speed and level is the whites, yes they are very talented and some things that the whites are not, but to expect them to be as white and the whites to learned and be like blacks, it is unfair to everybody. host: where did you come from a 1964? caller: i came from israel. i do not know anything about discrimination, people being different. i was new. , everybody isdy
what they make of themselves. don't judge everybody. i had people, black people who are very nice, i got along perfectly with them, it is when they started forcing blacks to had an issuethey with my taste. host: you understand that what you just said here on the air is going to have heads exploding across the country. considered to be politically correct. is that a fair statement? absolutely. maybe it is an honest statement, that is not unfair. do down indid you miami beach since 1964? caller: i worked for many years. i was a single mother. i worked very hard. my daughter went to college. she is doing well.
reallye went to -- i became prejudice on they started bussing the black children to miami beach, before them they were not allowed in the classes, they call it discrimination, they cannot have advanced classes in history because it is discrimination, they cannot do this they cannot do this because everything was discrimination. it was not discrimination, it was just that we are different. host: you said that you came while weel, once in a get an anti-israel anti-semitic call on the air here. should we allow this to happen? wayer: if people feel this because they were indoctrinated wethis kind of language, just have to be strong and deal with it. that is their culture, what can i do about it?
i cannot solve the problems of the whole world. when you have a certain kind of discipline, we are trained from the beginning to respect everybody to be kind and to share, to help. we do. we do not like to be kicked in the but. host: that is rachel calling in this morning. an 80-year-old from miami florida. on the republican line. here is brian on the independent line from michigan. hello. caller: hello. you guys have a great show going on. i love the freedom of speech. anyhow, i'm from the level community. we are the last bastion of hope when it comes to free speech. we are the ones that will say whatever we want to say when we want to say it. if people get offended by it, we do not care.
people need to get a little bit tougher in this world. i believe that that is leading to the nation's downfall. everybody is so scared to say , we or afraid to hear that have no problem saying it. first things first, i want to get off all this racist crack. since day one when i started turning the show on, every single show has something to do with race. the one thing about being metal, we are not racist, we have never been racist. i will yell at a white man for use in the n-word come i will yell at a black man for use it. i will yell at anybody for using any type of racism whatsoever. that is where we are. host: what do you mean when you say you are metal? metal music. slayer, venom, destruction. create or. obituary. people from the community. we are one. we decided to take ourselves away from your basic society.
with people that are polish come with people who are italian, we are metal, where worldwide. germany,t be from canada, america, new england. -- england. host: is there a philosophy behind the music? caller: very much so. one of them has to do with your topic right now, free speech. basically anything that you pick up that is metal, we're not afraid to say anything. said,e thing that dave one great thing about metal music there are no taboos. we will say whatever we want to say. people get offended, that is fine. you know how to change the channel. you know how to take the cd player out. you know how to turn off your computer. you do not have to listen to what we say. not be darned if we are going to stand by and not say because we're offending you. that is fine, i turn on the new 20 47. i get offended all the time. i did not get there and say we need to shut it all down, i'm
offended. my skin is so weak, i cannot tolerate this. bring it on. just because i'm offended, that is fine. if me and i can start lashing back, if you get offended, that is your problem. we do not care, we will talk about stuff everything from religion to politics. nothing is off base. nothing is off the table. some of the stuff that we get condemned a lot for is this fatality in our lyrics. some of it is history. look at angel death by slayer. the song is a true story. everybody says this is the most offensive song ever because they're talking about killing jews, this was history. this really happened. if this was on the history channel you probably get an emmy for it, but because a band name slayer releases it on an album you just try to ban it. people are getting kicked down and pushed around, i'm glad that we are living in 2015 were
people are little bit more accepting of metal music. this is one person's view from michigan. on the say thank you. host: that is brian calling in from michigan. tweet toj, this is his c-span. disservice to the country when you perpetuate discord and amplify race baiting professional protesters as bona fide. the next call comes from james in buffalo kentucky. james is a republican. we're talking about political correctness, free speech and tolerance. thank you. i enjoy your show. i will agree with the last caller. that is the problem with this country. people cannot say what they want to say when they want to say it. that the blacks on these campuses are not getting the education that they're supposed to be getting.
this is because they're not really talking about today's issues. unemployment, obamacare, problems with the veterans. that theylly think have something to protest now, way to link it out the real world, and they try to go to work, and they cannot find suitable employment, then all of this rhetoric that they do will , when abearing situation changes from going to a soft college which is supposed to be educated in, but apparently does not. look at how they have voted for the last seven elections. they want to complain about what is going on. i tell you right now, if they really cared like they are allowing all these illegals and people are from other countries. that is taken away from their chances of getting a good paying job. so come before they start complaining about this, first of all, i'm going to say what i want to say.
one way or another. you're not going to tell me what i can say. that is most americans. tv,them to sit there on they have that right. at the end they need to be educated and know their protested about. thank you for your show. host: that is james from buffalo. we show this earlier, we showing the pew research center poll on free speech. 40% of millennial's are ok with limiting speech offensive to minorities. that is the headline here. government should be able to prevent people from saying these things, something that is offensive to minorities, overall, 20% of americans say yes, that 67% say no. the millennial generation at this point are saying 40% agree with that. thecan see it goes down older people get. men and women, there is a 10 point difference. men agree it 23% women a grid
33%. different than political parties. 18% of republicans say government should be able to prevent those statements, 35% of democrats say it. independence 27%. got a can imagine, we little bit of reaction to rachel from miami beach. this morning on twitter and here are some of the tweets that have come in response to rachel. one, this is iris. she said you cannot outlaw rudeness or ignorance. woman is asraeli bigot. the voice of white privilege.
florida caller said uppity. poor, deluded thing. please no one pick on israelis are jews because of her. bless her heart. jim said the immigrant from israel is not an example of the best of america. she was thought to be less than as a jew. those are some comments we have gone from rachel at miami beach. rayford in maryland. i think that the problem that we have with the whole controversy over political correctness is because of conservative ignorance with regard to the first amendment. as a conservative have a right to say whatever you want to say with regard to anyone. however, other people have a right to criticize you and challenge you. conservatives believe that if you challenge them or criticize them you are taking away their freedom of speech, no matter
what they say, if you challenge ,t as far as they're concerned their freedom of speech is being abridged and taken away. let me give you perfect example, allows high school, i occasionally would, house that i high school of three black kids out of 2000 students. i would come to my locker room and find a news or a picture of a black man being hung were burned alive. every now and then. after a while i got tired of it, which the principal and they were able to determine who is doing it, and the three men who are doing it, their parents came to the school and they all said that i was trying to take away their sons freedom of speech. they have the freedom of speech to express themselves. they said it is just a rope and some pictures. and i have a sense of humor yet coke and i take a joke echoed conservatives do not understand the first amendment, that is why we have the controversy.
we have people complaining about political correctness, it is always conservatives cared you never hear liberals complain about it. rachel, we should just pray for her and not criticize her. i guarantee you that she was born and lived her formative years in germany prior to going to israel, she was there with that pre-world war ii german mindset. we should not criticize her. just pray for her. host: that is from maryland. this is jerry cullinan from florida. on the republican line. caller: good morning. thank you c-span. free speech and tolerance have been around for a long time. i'm 88 years old. it is in the constitution. one of appeared i'm having a problem with the definition of
political correctness. it is only become a political platform. i'm wondering if somebody can give you some information. i will keep watching tv. host: before you hang up, what you think political crevices? i don't know. i find it, but after watching c-span, i am beginning to wonder. i like enough i noted conservative is anymore. i've been all of them in my 88 years. come as some the about your 88 years, where you born, where did you live? will convert to do? caller: i was born in florida. i moved to key west in 1947. i spent 23 years in the air force. i retired and came back and have been living in the keys. vote intelligently. the military.
i'm wondering if i even know how to vote. host: that is a little bit from jerry. calling from the keys in florida. let's hear from arthur in texas. hello. caller: good morning. good morning america. expressed my ignorance as i spoke to your phone screener. the whole issue of the definition that is a working definition and the general public of political correctness is part of my concern. because it seems ambiguous and somewhat nebulous to me because it is sort of like beauty in the eye of the beholder. that we very certain have a strong handle on what is meant by political correctness.
i believe that the origin of the expression came from probably some conservative radio ammentators who use it as instrument of expressing their opinion and negating the opinions of others. personally, we have a generation of a language called english that has a number of words and phrases in it and i find that it is interesting that we could not find the words or the phrases to use that are not insensitive or offensive to relay our feelings or our information. i wonder if this is more about positioning than it
is about expression. host: that is arthur in texas. on the independent line. this is mason tweaking crazy asked callers americans should care about being offensive and understand the damage hates be does to people. it's not ok. ross, austin, texas. republican. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. to the caller from florida that the older lady, there's a previous caller from florida also: from north , a few of the callers wanted to paint these young kids as dean crying and whiners and not productive enough working-class as opposed to
young citizens learning how to have inthe system we order to bring about change. this is the preferred method and manner. a great learning opportunity for them in learning how to empower themselves. also, i wanted to add, also wanted to add that the callers -- the callers who want to point out that they are jumped on if they use the n-word abut nothing else is said to black person uses the term, why
don't they use the jewish standard. and talks of reparations, use the jewish standard. what is the jewish standard? ok, would they make a racial slur about a jewish person? would they fight for their right to make a slur about a jewish person? as far as reparations as far as downplaying slavery, it was so long ago, use the jewish standard. about whaty say that happened during world war ii? to the jewish people. would somebody downplay that?
you think of slavery, back people -- black people were treated like cattle and abused. these are human beings. host: are you connected to ut down there you go -- there you go -- their? have they had any of these protests that we have seen at the other campuses? they protested a statue of jefferson davis. the -- theome of confederate flag as well. host: the statue of jefferson davis was on the campus? i believe it was on the campus. to aand i got that moved
museum. host: you grew that decision? know, they can display is somewhere. individual -- the confederacy lost. lost, anderate states we don't have statues of hitler anywhere. .he confederate states lost they can display somewhere, maybe in somebody's home or somewhere else on campus. i do not know why it would need to be pretrade in public. host: from austin texas. republican line. thank you for your time.
on york times lead editorial wednesday, the case against woodrow wilson, student protesters at princeton performed a valuable public service last week when they demanded that the administration acknowledged the toxic legacy of woodrow wilson. he was university president in new jersey governor before been elected to the white house. he was an unapologetic racist whose administration rolled out the gains that african-americans had received after the civil war. they hurt workers from influential jobs in a trance from the government into an instrument of white supremacy. the protesters top goal was convincing the university to rename the woodrow wilson school and the residential complex known as wilson college has run heavy fire from traditionalists. the fact that racist policies enacted during his presidency are still felt in the country today makes it imperative that the university's board of trustees not be bound by the
forces of the status quo. that is the new york times editorial on wednesday. this is from the national review of a princeton student group. we stand for academic freedom, hope, and dialogue. this is a letter that the princeton open campus coalition wrote to the president. the openon behalf of campus coalition to request a meeting with you so that we may present our perspectives on the event of recent weeks. we are concerned with the importance of presenting the culture in which all members of the community feel free to engage in civil discussion and to express their convictions without fear of being subjected to intimidation or abuse. thanks to a recent poll, serving petition wherever reason to believe that our concerns are shared by a majority of our fellow princeton undergrads.
this dialogue is necessary because many students have shared with us but they are afraid to state publicly their opinions on wrist events for fear of being vilified, slandered and subjected to hatred are by fellow students or faculty. many who question the protest relabeled races, and black students who expressed disagreement with the protesters were called white sympathizers and were told they were not black. we the princeton open campus coalition refused to let our peers be intimidated, bullied and silenced on these or any important matters. this whole letter is a national review joint to read it, as we continue our discussion on the washington journal of political speech and, free tolerance. joe is calling in from the bronx. democratic line. hello. caller: good morning. this is joe the counselor. i called from new york. to make soment
point and reference to what i have been hearing this winter from different people. when it comes to tolerance, issuence is a very tough that some of us do not want to hear. because technical listening is a very serious thing. you have to learn, because any time i would hear somebody that said something i did not like, all the sudden i want to cut that person off. i want to put plugs in my ears and take the plugs out of my ears and put them in my mouth. you, youn listen to can hear me i can hear you. graduated from the college of criminal justice in 1976. now, i majored in government. , but not go to law school
i read all the constitutions. i did not go to law school for another three years. i'm going to give a demonstration of what i'm but to tell you. now, look at the tea party. formed inea party was 2009. if yes people what is the tea party? they will tell you it is a racist group of white people. that is not true. the reason they are saying that is because until obama came to office in 2009 that is uninformed. it was 43 white presidents, what did they do and never sleep you go that is not true. had an issue at taxes. now, it is a similar devices.
if you ask anyone of us what is isis, we do not know. they say it is the terrorists. yes there terrorists, but because that is what we hear from politicians now, what it is if you really learn the ideology of these people, and the reason, it is just like the tea party. it is a movement. we see theement white men coming kill enough our brothers and sisters and we're tired of it. isis is.hat you never hear that. just like the tea party. because what the politicians tell us is what we hear. after a while we digested. that wethe worst thing the people can do and not questioning politicians. host: we will have to leave it there and move on to patrick. your neighbor in brooklyn new
york. republican line. you are on the air. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. good morning. i immigrated to this country from the caribbean. i was taught political correctness as being respectful to others. no matter what religion you are, no matter what color you are, no matter what life brings you. we do not have the choice sometimes. when you have a lot of money or no money, the fair thing in life is to respect others for who they are. we have people running for office that are highly educated, their millionaires and billionaires, because they got the opportunity to good for the camera with a phone or with a microphone, they disrespect other people whether they are handicapped, or whether they do not. wrong to put somebody in the position that will control
others because of what they are blessed with in life. whether they are highly educated . i think it is wrong. poor people should get the same respect. a black man is in the white house. a white man was in the white house. the matter what color of a person, or their life, you do not choose what color you are born with a what you are born. andto disrespect a person political correctness to denigrate somebody would've they are poor are an immigrant, everybody in life should be up to live in peace, not to be denigrated because someone is dropping bombs on you. rather they have food to eat. talk about climate change. climate change kills more people than bonds. host: we have been listening to patrick. a democrat calling in from brooklyn. this is out, a republican. for marilyn. caller: high. and not to be brief
ramble. this is kind of a spontaneous call. i do not make notes. sidebar,ust as a during c-span 25th anniversary, i received an honorable mention for a poster i developed on protest buttons from 1960 up to 2003. let me start. aconite and 67 i lost a family friend in the vietnam war. the following year i would to college. i talked to a couple of antiwar eggen's asian's. i member sitting in a meeting and the leadership at that point was not just against the war, there were saying a lot of hateful things about america in general. . was from a small town i respected authority, disciplined come i still do. , athe people were speaking track team from the universe to lined up against the back of the room. they were screaming to the people in front, this went on
for a long time. whathinking i did not like the sds people were saying. at the same time, i felt that they had a right to say it. like a point i developed negativity to both of them. ever since 1967 i have been attending demonstrations, events and rallies. both sides have an issue. pro-choice, pro-life. gun control, gun rights. i have been doing it up until two weeks ago when i went to a few things dumas syrian refugees. the issue in a ron. and, i do not know if i make a point here, want to close this. i just want to mention some. noticed, a lote of these groups, and i will reference the occupy movements and the tea party movement's comics i've attended both of them. when you talk to the rank and
file, and this deals with a lot of the civil rights stuff, a lot of these groups which, at first dance like the gun control and gun rights are per trade as being against each other, the rank and file of these groups have a lot of things in common. party occupies them they talk to the rank-and-file with mistrust or concern about big government and big business. unfortunately, i'm going to have to rush here and blame the goia, the media tends to towards the people who are at the strict streams of the dialogue. they sensationalize the issue, and i think that is the message that a lot of people get. they get the extremes. as a result, the stuff most people would agree on in these issues never gets expressed and comes out. host: i apologize, we'll have to leave it there. that was al in maryland. this is thomas and marilyn on a democrat line.
thomas, this morning on the washington journal where talking a political correctness, free speech and tolerance. caller: great subject. i'm glad your bring it up. political correctness is always used against white people. our freedom of speech is always controlled or ended. we are told we cannot do it. why cannot you can work, but it is ok for black people use it. for black lives matter's to run around and say we want dead cops. be called a white boy, that is ok. if anybody was me a white boy come i'm going to use the n-word and tell them what i think. i'm going to tell them where they can go. look at louis farrakhan, that creep. he has called for the killing of white people. jeremiah wright is viciously antiwhite. there aretrump said criminals come from mexico, he was vilified and per trade as a racist.
sold into slavery by other blacks. that is never discussed. there is still slavery going on in africa. the irish were put down a coal mines to deal with toxic fumes. cotton, i got to pick would rather pick cotton been themes. minds man working in the lost his job for some reason come argue was killed, the family was evicted from the house. what kind of treatment is that? we can always criticize white racism, but we never hear the criticism of black people, which is i think can be much worse. host: that is thomas in maryland. in pennsylvania. independent line. caller: good morning. i'm a 50-year-old white male. i have worked in the university
for many years, i'm not a professor, i am not a member of the aristocracy. i can tell you that when it comes to talking about political issues, social issues and a lot, i just cannot talk about it. because, i know that if i say the wrong thing to the wrong person that a sickly i could lose my job. i could lose my livelihood. people really think there's tolerance on campus, they are kidding themselves. there is not. thes struck by listening to conversation you had with the man from the new republic. he talked about listening to each other. i do not believe for one minute that that man really wants to listen to me. i just think this whole concept of white privilege is ignorant and racist. can got imagine that we to somebody was never what a day
in my shoes, knows nothing about what my life has been like is going to make a judgment on me based on my physical characteristics. does that mean if i'm walking down the street, and it's a young black man walking towards me and across the street that would be considered racist, just because i just them by his look. that is what this whole white privilege silliness is about. that -- nk glasgow no like to make is what really strikes me is that so much of this comes out of academia. and these of the people that demand the protection of tenure so that they can pursue controversial and unpopular ideas. yet, they are completely and tolerance to other people who have unpopular ideas. this is the last thing our like to say is that i do not know if i have ever heard a sillier
column than the one you read from the daily trojan i guess it was. cultural appropriation. what do these words even mean? we demand that these people define these things? what is a safe space? does this mean i'm not love to get a chinese restaurant? that i cannot buy a piece of jewelry sold by indian person. it is silly. the reality is so far different than what the educated elite are trying to sell. host: that is carl in pennsylvania. next up is greg in owen's crossroads alabama. republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. it seems as though the pc police have oppressed free speech. it seems that we are not able correctly speak the truth out of fear that we may offend somebody.
speech is a good thing. sometimes we learned when people offend us that maybe we should re-examine what we are doing. it is the politically correct environment that we live in. even down to competition with small children, it is politically not correct to allow people to compete. you're going to be competing for jobs, you be competing for position for the rest of your life. here, we'll get one example of what i saw. the political police never took advantage, i've heard a lot of race brought in, but the political correctness is so much more than just race. people need to speak the truth. i will back it up with facts. one thing it really got me coming just a circumstance at the university, they said there was not enough minorities. and, jesse jackson, he weighed in on this. jesse jackson and his son both
98% black fraternities. they were part of one of the first fraternities that was every black fraternity. i am not sure you can criticize sororities for the amount of black females that were allowed in during university when you belong to a black fraternity. it did not make sense to me. thank you for taking my call. i encourage everybody, freedom of speech. speak which you can backup. not fear the truth. host: that is greg from alabama. here are some tweets. >> think about this, you would hate speech laws, force used up until death or imprisonment on people use words/ideas. youig guns tweets don't talk about children getting killed from abortions on c-span, they love that racist talk only.
sorry folks. here is irish eyes. college students need to realize how privilege there to even being college. morning about the atmosphere seems petty. says there is a difference between free speech and putting a swastika on someone's door, that's not free speech. frederick and brookland, live a few minutes left. democrats line. we're listening. caller: i wanted to piggyback from the guy who was talking about occupy in tea party. they got finally realized was that for two years, that as far as the tea party is concerned, they know how to command the political process. because every now is the fact that we have the tea party is elected officials approach in the county.
state capital. i have a bone to pick with the occupy movement. due to the fact that where are our elected officials? groups on the left, even with black lives matter come they do not take advantage of the political process. bernie sanders is saying we needed political revolution. where are the occupy a elected officials? where are the elected officially congress? host: our topic this morning is political correctness, free speech and tolerance. want to ask you a question. bernie sanders got to some trouble when he said, in response for black lives matter protester he said all lives matter. did that offend you? caller: in a way, it did. the problem with that was more with black lives matter, they were interfering with his free
speech. i can understand that. then jump in on the podium and taken with a mic, they were violating his right. said, he was vague dealing with somebody and election. in government they push their issue. you cannot just be protesting. back in the 60's in the 70's it was a phenomenon. nowadays the big money, nobody is listening. yet the look of monster cells. that is why say look in the tea party. they worked amongst themselves, and they put themselves in political office. occupy has to do that. likewise matter has to do that. after works amongst themselves. thank you. host: michael, and ohio. independent. good morning. good morning. i just want to say that i believe that cold political goodctness is an idea of thing. but too much of a good thing can
be bad for you. just like the right to own a gun and have a concealed carry permit. if you not feel safe about a gun, that is your right. when you need 10 guns to feel 10 timesaver. i think that is a little bit of overkill. i think that political correctness is a good thing. i want to add one more comment. i happen to be half german half irish. i have never had any way tell me that they hate my german half more than my irish have because of world war ii. i hear people calling on in your show, mostly whites telling your audience that they hate the president's white have more than they hate his black calf. which, to me, shows that maybe they are not racist, but they sure are ignorant, because nobody has ever said that to me about being irish or german host: that is michael and ohio. we got a tweet >> free speech does not give you a pass to
offend as you choose with impunity, it allows others to call you out at will. out, how do you know what might be a trigger for somebody? case, then soever but his mouth shut. that. it. don come in tucson, yet 30 seconds. caller: hello. the highest spiritual entities we have, gabriel, and jesus both say that humans have no spiritual intuition. this is why all call and have been an abomination. gabriel says the wicked joe never understand. jesus said wiseman may find destruction. is diversity. yes we can. project luxembourg, the cia control. host: i'm a firm believer in's free speech. will let that comment stand.
very quickly, rudy in sun city california. go ahead. caller: i believe in free speech. and, what bernie sanders said does not offend me. i'm a 60 euros mail who has been through a lot of stuff. dynamics, i have people in my family that look like you. host: i'm sorry about that. caller: no. it is fantastic. host: ok. thank you. did you watch all three hours? caller: i missed part of it. hard time getting in. i'm from california. re-listening? caller: yes. host: did we hold your attention? caller: yes. host: thank you everybody for expressing your opinions. and for having a civil conversation.
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