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lorenzo that he, director of the george washington ,niversity program on extremism details a report on isis supporters in america. washington journal is next. >> the threat from terrorism is real, that we will overcome it. -- but we will overcome it. obama last night in his third overall -- oval office address 10 -- attempting to calm a nervous nation. insisting that congress should pass a new authorization for military force against isis. we begin this morning with your calls, tweak and e-mails -- tweets and e-mails. republican style (202) 748-8001 -- republicans dial (202) 748-8001. democrats dial (202) 748-8000.
independents,-- (202) 748-8002. we will get your thoughts in just a minute, good morning everyone. let's show you more of what the president had to say last night. he outlined the strategy against isis. >> our military will continue to hunt down terrorist plotters in any country where it is necessary. iraq, and syria, airstrikes for taking out isis leaders, heavy weapons, oil tankers, infrastructure. since the attacks in paris, our closest allies including rants, germany and the u.k., have ramped up their contributions to our campaign which will help us accelerate our efforts to destroy isis. will continue to provide training and equipment to tens of thousands of iraqi in. forces fighting isis on the ground so
that we take away their safe havens. in both countries, we are deploying special operations forces who can accelerate that offensive. we have set up this effort since that since the attacks in paris and will continue to invest more and approaches that are working on the ground. third, we are working with friends and allies to stop isis operations, disrupt plots, cut off their financing and prevent them from her rooting more fighters. since the attacks in paris, we have surged intelligence sharing with our european allies. we are working with turkey to seal its border with syria, and we are cooperating with muslim majority come -- countries and with communities at home to counter -- counter the vicious ideologies that isis promotes online. with american leadership, international community has begun to establish a process and timeline to pursue cease-fires and a political resolution to the syrian war.
doing so will allow the syrian people and every country including our allies but also countries like russia to focus on the common goal of destroying isis, a group that threatens us all. host: president obama last night in his third oval office address , calling the shootings in san bernardino california an act of terrorism. -- set out to call calm a jittery nation. republican, good morning to you. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span. reallyesidents speech disturbs that the president's speech disturbs me in many ways, one is that it all started on 9/11. if we stop and look at all the jimmy carter with the
bombing ating, the the world trade center, prior to 9/11, there are so many times that we have been attacked and he is to say that this started to 9/11. the other aspect is, he never talks about protecting the border and securing the border. he never talks about stopping the influx of all these refugees coming into the u.s. it needs to stop, we need a 10 year ban on people coming in to the u.s.. want to promote tourism and those things, but we need to really get into looking at these people. host: a 10 year ban on all refugees? caller: absolutely. here is the other aspect, nobody
the otheralk about aspect. of where theect economy is with corporations bringing in under a green card, toe people to work here lower the living wage for americans. we have enough people here that graduated college that should be working, not to be outsourcing people coming in. host: he did say last night there should be there should be tests referencing the situation over refugees. aboutroposal, what to do the refugee program, those coming from syria, is part of a debate for congress this week as they try to work to pass a spending bill. wall street journal says a block of conservative house republicans may vote against the spending bill that speaker paul
ryan must maneuver through congress to avoid a government shutdown. one option is a measure reflecting a bill passed by the house with the support of 47 democrats that would halt an overall syrian program. there is stronger bipartisan backing for different legislature expected to pass this week that makes it easier for foreigners to travel to the u.s. without obtaining a visa, that is the visa waiver program. the president also talked about tightening that as well. cynthia in tennessee, independent, go ahead. caller: good morning.
i was calling all my thoughts on the president's speech. i don't think it did much for the people listening. i think with the previous caller, that the refugee program is a problem that needs to stop thing, my thoughts -- i don't think i'm the only one whose thought of this -- it seems like the president always -- defends as long islam and i think people are tired of that and i don't think radical or moderate asthma -- a lot of people that lived under this -- this type of sharia law -- a term the west had coin and islam is a problem. theou look at the koran and teachings of it, it is dangerous and kind of scary. show our video
-- viewers what the president had to say about what you are talking about, about islam and muslims in general. after that, i want to show you, because this is a point that has been brought up, what the president had to say in what he does not say about islam. after that, i want to show you what president george w. bush had to say about muslims after the 9/11 attacks when he did a joint adjusts -- address to congress. we cannot turn against one another by letting this fight be defined as a war between america and islam. that is what groups like isis want. isis does not speak for islam. they are thugs and killers, part of a cult of death and they account for a tiny fraction of a more than billion muslims around the world. muslimsg many patriotic
in america that reject their hateful ideology. the best majority of terrorist victims around the world are muslim. we are to succeed in defeating terrorism, we must enlist muslim communities as some of our strongest allies, rather than push them away through suspicion and hate. that does not mean denying the fact that extremist ideology has spread within sun communities. -- within some communities. one that -- that is a problem that muslim communities must confront without excuse. leaders must speak out against acts of violence and those interpretations of islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect and human dignity. host: that was president obama last night, talking about islam
and muslims around the world and having acceptance here in this country for them. -- here ishow you what george w. bush had to say back in 2001 after the september 11 attacks. >> i want to speak directly to muslims throughout the world. we respect your faith. it is practiced freely by millions of americans and by millions more in countries that america counts as friends. its teachings are good and peaceful. those who commit evil in the name of allah, they blaspheme the name. [applause] the terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying ineffective--- hijacking of islam itself.
the enemy of america is not our muslim friends, it is not our arab friends, our enemy is a radical network of terrorist and every government that supports them. [applause] president george w. bush back in 2001 after the attacks on september 11. cynthia, let me go back to you, what is your reaction? caller: i believe that george bush did not understand the religion and has not listened to any debates. i believe yet a lack of understanding of the religion i believe when president obama says it is aboutul, i'm not talking the muslims, there are several people that subscribe to islam, i think islam is dangerous. reformation,eds a
and there are good voices out there that want to stand up, but i'm not talking about the muslim people, i'm talking about the religion. we should pray for the people, all people, it is not the muslim people, it is the religion i'm speaking about. host: got it, kim, another independent, hello. that whenlike to say obama tries to take our guns, he's also taking down our constitution. writer after he said the gun grab things -- prosecuted in a way that spoke bad concerning islam,. islam is against the law and the u.s. and has been since the early 1900s. and isas ignore the laws ignoring our constitution and he thinks we are all stupid enough to that islam will be the law of americans when their religion does not coincide with our government. they have their own government, they are not a religion, they are a government funded through their religion.
clinic comes to america and they get free housing and free everything, they send that money back to the brotherhood. obama, i believe is a terrorist in the white house. host: why do you say that? that is a strong assertion to make. ,aller: it has broken 73 laws and his job is to uphold the law. host: on guns, let me read this part from the new york times. in an effort to limit gun sales in the u.s., mr. obama's staff is working on it does all that would expand the definition of a high-volume gun dealer so more purchases would be subject to background checks. that proposal would phase legal, practical and political arelenges and announcements set to be a month away at least. take a look at what president obama had to say about terrorists having access to guns. pres. obama: congress should ensure that no one on a no-fly list should be able to buy a gun.
what could be the argument to allowing a terror suspect to buy a semiautomatic weapon? this is a matter of national security. to make it harder for people to buy power. weapons like the ones used in san bernardino. i know there are some who reject any gun safety measures, but the fact is that our intelligence and law enforcement agencies, no matter how effective they are, would-beentify every mass shooter, whether that individual is motivated by isil or some other hateful ideology. what we can and must do is make it harder for them to kill. host: we are taking your calls this morning on what president obama had to say last night in , hisval office address third of his presidency, to talk about the threat of terrorism. john in north carolina, republican, your next. caller: i was listening to the last statement and he hit it right on the head.
doing is- what he is for domestic consumption, because his poll numbers are going down when it comes to the war on terror, but when it comes to what we supposed to do? our constitution allows us to defend ourselves, even this weekend, some folks came out in the media and said by a gun, buy it legally and get trained. if you look back in every history book of the u.s., you will see that law enforcement were miniscule in the way we set up and if you look at pictures of old settlers, they were all carrying a musket, a pistol, a boeing night or whatever, and they protected themselves, they knew right from wrong, so guess what, we will have to protect ourselves because the response time for 911 is 11 minutes. all these people here who are
law abiding citizens owning weapons, we don't have a correlating mass casualty scenario going on every day of this week and next week and every other week with the number of weapons we have. -- there isre some some mental health reform we need to do, but at the same time, the people of the united -- neededo understand to understand they have declared war on us and we should declare an act of war on them. america needs to protect itself. we were founded on that and when it shows up somewhere near you, and a police officer is not there, it is not necessarily going to be a high-volume weapon or a semiautomatic rifle, it is going to be someone with intent, just like in london. they stand three people and in israel, they're coming after
people with knives. to turnident wants us in all of our locks and keys. host: two points you made, one about poll numbers. wall street journal said this is a sign of domestic disquiet that the address was in part supposed to counter. pollf americans in a approved of obama's strategy in syria. let me read this from the new york times, they write that the death toll from jihadist terrorism in the u.s. since the september 11 attack, 45 people is about the same as the 48 killed in terrorist attacks motivated by white supremacist and other right-wing extremist ideologies according to new america research organization in washington. both are a fraction of the number of conventional murders, more than 200,000, in the same
period. the common element for most of these element -- for most of these murders is the same, guns. we go to john, an independent in montana. with all due respect to the president, what he needs to do to gain the confidence of the american people is put on his big boy pants, meet with republicans and democrats, be transparent, come up with a bipartisan solution to this isis instead of ideology against guns and religions, solve the problem and be open about it, but he wants to stick on his ideology and let's take away guns and they're not extremist muslims, they are just extremist and it's real frustrating to the american people to listen to him over and over again with no confidence. he needs to become the commander in chief and show us -- give us
some confidence to believe in what he is doing. the only way that can be reached is be -- by being bipartisan and saying we will get together as leaders in washington and we will solve this problem, it will come to a consensus and solve this problem. host: what do you think it's the consensus?- is the should we put our soldiers on the ground? caller: i know what i would do. with this concern all over what they are doing to the world, i would fire up the 101st, take up latvian paylor, drop them into rock, capture and kill as many as they can, and whoever you capture, put them on a pike and put it on social media. we will see how long issa sticks around after that. host: maryland, port hills, -- marilyn, republican. you are on the air.
i'm calling to ask when will somebody please impeach obama? every time i see his face, i have to say it want to throw up, i have to change the channel. he has gotten to a point where i don't even know my neighborhood anymore. there is no morality in this country anymore. i can just imagine what's happening in other places. the people that are suffering, it is disgraceful. what is he talking about? look at what he's doing to the catholic church. he has to be stopped, he has another year. the damage that he can do. i can go on, but i know there are a lot of people that feel the same exact way. host: usa today this morning has
a piece about how isis is redefining the president's last year in office. massachusetts, democrat. caller: thank you for c-span. a lady called a while ago and she said that islam is dangerous, but i think any religion is dangerous. i was raised christian, but i'm getting to the point where i can't put up with the charade anymore. christianity is just as violent. if you read the bible, it is an extremely violent election of books. christianity has been reformed a little bit, but it is just as dangerous if you listen to some of the rhetoric from some of the right wing republicans, it can be just as extreme and dangerous. that is basically all i wanted to say. i would welcome comments from people. host: mary from south carolina, republican, hi.
say that iant to think it's ridiculous that the president of the united states got on tv and tell us that we need to have gun control when he is protected 24/7 by guns. has beenlinton protected for over 20 years by men with guns. today is pearl harbor day. june 6, 1944 was d-day. may 8, 1940 five, world war ii was over in europe, so don't tell me it's going to take forever to stop those people from dean taken care of in a middle east and syria. we will put about three battalions of marines in there with good equipment and air cover. this is ridiculous.
as a -- of us republicans and independents are at risk and you can tell these liberal democrats, when isis comes here and takes over, they will cut their heads off the same as ours. host: let me share something with you. president obama in his address, talked about how muslim americans are our neighbors and friends and he said they have served in the military. washington post piece written before the talks last night said the american muslims certainly american wars of independence in federal andboth the -- union and confederate armies in the civil war. about 5470 people with possible muslim names, there are numerous spellings of mohammed, served in world war i. in europe, the numbers are much higher, perhaps 400,000 muslims in the impact -- from the british empire fought on the allied side.
muslims also served allied forces during world war ii. warren in maryland, democrat. caller: how are you doing? host: doing well, what are your thoughts? caller: i like what he said basically, but as a person not one of this country, i grew up with muslims and i think the point has been misheard. people don't understand where this ideology comes from. poverty is the main cause because for us that grew up in the countries, we see a lot of young men and women and a lot of suffering. most of these people don't have any out let. a lot ofsuffering, people that grew up in houses with 10 or 15 or 20 people and the schools are bad.
people don't have anything to eat and they have nothing to do. in that environment, you get these ideologies and all this madness that starts from those areas. you have their governments who like to them and do not support them -- who lie to them and not support them. to see united states companies taking their oil and taking this and taking that and nothing comes back to the people. that is where you get all these allg people who develop these ideologies because they have nothing to do, there are no jobs, there is nothing. guns, here just hold onto that is not going to help you. i work in a place right can't carry guns, so some of the comes in and shoots up the place, how was a gun going to defend me? how is that helpful?
twitter folks are also having the debate about what the president had to say. says a larger issue is whether requiring background checks for private sales will stop terrorism, i doubt it. cars as you know will kill plenty of people a lot more than the 248 rifle that kill people in 2014. edwin says. rebecca in virginia, republican. i really thought that a forof americans came here .reedom of religion we had missionaries we send all around the country, all around christian --ching
christianity. apparently, christians are now just run down by our president until it is the muslims that up and they say if you see something, say something. what about the teacher that saw this thing come in her classroom that she thought looked like a parents now that boy's are suing for millions and millions of dollars. when you look at a movie and toy are showing having disarm this bomb, they also look at a clock. down -- is to do ticking down. today, obama faces a situation that is somewhat analogous to that of his predecessor, george w. bush, after years of u.s. casualties and costly setbacks, americans by 2000 and begun to question
whether bush understood the conflict. he responded with a new strategy that involve the deployment of more than 30,000 additional soldiers and marines. there are far fewer american soldiers in harm's way today than in 2000 x and 2007 when more than 100 u.s. troops were being killed each month. president bush faced heavy pressure to withdraw. now for the obama faces a war that he hoped to end. president obama talked about what not to do last night in his presidential address. here is what he had to say about putting boots on the ground. pres. obama:[video clip] we should nota: be drawn into a costly ground or in iraq or syria. that is what groups like i so want. they know they can't defeat us
on the battlefield. isil fighters were part of the insurgency that we faced in iraq. but they also know that if we occupy foreign lands, they can maintain insurgencies for years, killing thousands of our troops, draining our resources, and using our presence to draw new recruits. the strategy that we are using now -- airstrikes, special forces, and working with local forces who are fighting to regain control of their own country -- that is how we'll achieve a more sustainable victory. and it won't require us sending a new generation of americans overseas to fight and die for another decade on foreign soil. host: we are getting your thoughts about the president had to say in his oval office address. phone numbers on your screen. jacqueline, louisiana, democrat. good morning. caller: good morning. i am grateful for your accepting my call. my statement is clear. host: we are listening. caller: i am appalled when i see
how disrespectful our nation is to our president. opportunity him an to not only make his point but understand that he is one of the most caring individuals that we have ever had in office. and to have people saying that when they see his face they become ill, what has happened to loyalty to our president? if not to him, to the office that he holds. i am and have been for many years now, listening to the criticism about everything he does. if he gives us information, we decide we are going to take that apart and see what is wrong with it. if he does not give us information, we decide he is a little boy and he does not know what he is doing.
this nationare, in and when you are in charge of a war, even our commanders cannot tell everything that they are doing. are we listening and trying to understand what is going on, our enemies are listening also. so if we give them all the iformation that we are doing, just do not understand how america can be so naive. thank you for taking my call. i stand with our president. host: ok, jacqueline. melissa in minnesota, independent. good morning, mullahs in minnesota? caller: hi. i went to agree with the last person who was talking. i think obama is showing care and love to all in the world and not just america. i believe he's the nicest
president we've had. host: ok. jay in baltimore, a republican. your thoughts? caller: i was listening to all the comments. 's last the president's night. i agree with the last two caller s that people are being disrespectful. ama is not trying to divide people, he's trying to unite people. if people understand and the happen to realize for a second no matter ifbama, you are jesus or obama, they do not want people to unite. if reason that is is because you have black people standing next to what people and chinese people and latino people, you've got too much power. that is too strong. look at voting rights. lack people had to get written by dogs and white ladies trying
oo get -- black people had tg get bitten by dogs. and white ladies trying to get voting rights marching with gays. that is power. they attacked the individuals. watches and then they go to the other side and attack people over there. god wants people to unite and stand up because we are the people. host: all right. this is the headline in "the washington times," terror attacks in california test the mettle of 2016 presidential hopefuls. here's what they had to say last night in reaction to the president's address on twitter. donald trump tweeting, "well, president obama refused to say we are at war with radical islamic terrorists." the next one at 1:00 in the morning, "obama said muslims are
sports heroes. what sport is he talking about? who? is obama profiling?" john kasich said', "a president strategys is not enough. since february, i've been calling for a coalition." jeb bush saying "it should not be business as usual." there is his response below his tweet. marco rubio, the senator from he was on fox and he gave his reaction to what a president had to say right after the address. here's marco rubio. [video clip] mr. rubio: nothing that happened tonight is going to assuage people's fears. the same strategy that has brought us to this point is the strategy is going to continue with. he believes there's a coalition fighting isis, there is no such
coalition. a lot of countries have put their names on paper but the reality is we conduct a very limited air assaults and you cannot defeat them from an air perspective. we can talk about that more. beyond that, he announced nothing new other than we need gun control, even though it would have done nothing to prevent the attack in california. we need to prevent people on the no-fly list from buying weapons even though there are people in dhs on the no-fly list. host: the florida senator on fox news reacting to the address. after the back to the "washington times" article about how this is playing out in the presidential campaign. in a cnn poll, republican voters said they were most withdent with mr. trump, 36% saying he has been best on islamic state and 30% saying he has been best on foreign policy. the next closest gop candidate
was ted cruz with 15% support on islamic state and 17% on foreign policy. pollnnipiac university last week showed mr. trump leading among gop voters who deemed terrorism the top issue with 29%. mr. carson was the next best on terrorism at 19%. mr. rubio topped mr. trump among republicans who named foreign policy as the top issue with 22%. mr. trump and senator ted cruz tied for second with 19%. among republican voters, terrorism ranked second with 24% naming it is a top issue behind the economy and jobs at 26%. 8% of democratic voters said terrorism was a top issue. linda in alabama, democrat. share your thoughts. caller: i agree with what the president had to say. nobody can say what they will do on the republican side.
it does not matter what president obama says, they will not agree with him. they do not like him. they disrespect him in all matters. regardless of what he is saying. asy excuse 9/11 then-president bush's brother will say, he kept the people safe. how can he get credit for keeping people safe when 9/11 happened on his watch? but they disrespect president obama and his family. and if you believe in the bible, you are going to reap what you sow. regardless of who gets in there as the next president, they will come up with difficulties. host: ok.
houston, texas, independent. yes, i totally, 100% agree with what the president said last night, with what obama said. host: ok. caller: all the problems we are fighting, it did not just are this year. it did not start in 9/11 in 2001. it started back with president roosevelt, ronald reagan's in illustration. -- administration. and used to call al qaeda osama bin laden freedom fighters when they were fighting the russians. they were giving osama bin laden weapons to fight the russians. isis is an offshoot of al qaeda. , the war on terrorism is like the war on drugs. they are not addressing the issue from the bottom, just like the last caller said, a lot of young men all over the world are fighting and poverty and desperation.
they do not have anything to hang on to. when somebody like preachinglong and evil things, they tend to agree with them. but the republican party needs to understand that reagan was calling al qaeda freedom fighters when they were fighting with russia in the 1980's. dick cheney went to meet saddam hussein. i want to say saddam hussein, the world was less sinful when saddam hussein was in office because when saddam hussein was in office, he would not have isis and al qaeda in iraq and in the region. host: you may be interested to know that coming up on :30shington journal" at 8 eastern, we will be talking with ofenzo vidino, the director extremism for the program at george washington university about what sows the seeds of extremism. with a new report out on u.s.
sympathizers to isis hurray we are going to be talking about that coming up on "washington journal." -- surprises to isis supervisors to isis -- sympathizers to isis. we are going to be talking about that coming up on "washington journal. former president jimmy carter announced cancer free. the former president been undergoing treatment for metastatic melanoma. he will continue receiving in immunotherapy treatment. is the headline that the justice department is expected to investigate the chicago police and do a similar investigation in chicago that it did in baltimore in ferguson. they are expected to announce week thatrly as this they will be investigating the chicago police. to address concerns amid
public scrutiny over a fatal shooting that many of you know about. the shooting of laquan mcdonald. that is in the papers this morning as well. back to your cause about president obama's third oval office address. ron in kentucky, good morning. caller: good morning, how are you? host: i am doing fine. what did you make of what the president had to say? asler: i was not surprised, many of us crazy republicans are. psychobabble. give him a chance, he said a good three years to fight this. not doing anything. people talk about give him time and given him respect. my mother and father taught me that respect is earned and not given. i listen to these people calling
in to your shell and -- your amazed. i am frankly they quote the bible and call it what the bible says, they probably never read it or understand that the old testament, the torah and all of that had to do with the founding of the people of israel and how directly andh them what the punishments were for them at that time. --at is not apply now i get over it. host: use of the president is not doing anything, he called on congress to act, saying they need to debate and vote on new authorization to fight isis. caller: he has already got that authority. he has already got that authority. he is the commander-in-chief. that every time, like the red line in syria.
if he uses chemical weapons again. the first thing he did when he used chemical weapons was saying i want congress to be involved. people that are get educated out there. there are a bunch of educated idiots out there. froma dumb old boy kentucky by way of atlanta, but i have read the federal papers and the constitution. i have read the quran. islam did not begin when the other gentleman said, under reagan, it actually began during the presidency of thomas jefferson when we were theting the moors on barbary coast who were common during our ships and kidnapping our sailors and taking them into slavery. host: ron in kentucky, a republican.
let's listen to what the president had to say about congress taking up a new authorization to fight isis. [video clip] obama: if congress believes, as i do, that we are at war with isil, it should go ahead and vote to authorize the continued use of military force against these terrorists. for over a year, i have ordered our military to take thousands of airstrikes against isil targets. i think it's time for congress to vote to demonstrate that the american people are united, and committed, to this fight. host: the president last night calling on congress to act on fighting isis with new authorization. as you heard from that caller, many say he has it on the 2001 authorization to fight al qaeda. others say that is a different war and different group and the president needs new authority. paul ryan, new speaker of the house, his reaction. "this is disappointing, no new
ton, a halfhearted attempt defend and distract from failing policy." come "we willaid be relentless in efforts to protect the american people and defeat terrorism." paul ryan also said the president needs to outline what military and diplomatic means for which the president wants to fight isis otherwise the u.s. will be one step behind the enemy. we talked about with the president had to say about muslim americans fighting in the u.s. military. neighbors and friends and he said they are our sports here is. -- heroes. quartz, run by atlantic media. they put together a list of americans who play sports that ali,ice islam, mohammed talib abdul-jabbar, aqib
and a moderate shot -- and ahmad rashad. artz'st on qu website. marianne, you are on the air. caller: i agree with some of the callers, they. are disrespectful to the president and the office of the president. going back to terror and what they knew about it. when 9/11, when the buildings were coming down, bush was in readinghoolroom two children. that wentorist flyers into the buildings, they had been in this country for-five years studying. that was never picked up by anybody. also, some of them were from saudi arabia, which was good
bushes.with cheneys and after the buildings came down, d the country and went back to saudi arabia. i would say the iraqi war has caused this mess host:. host: ralph in baltimore, independent. that, ii just say listened the president's speech last night. i'm african-american and i'm not being disrespectful but i do not feel that we are addressing the real issue. the president wants to sign an executive order to go to libya or some of the other places to do what they feel is necessary, i think he can do what is necessary to protect homeland. host: what do you think that is? announcingis about that these are, you know, some
of these immigrations coming into the country, you know, that they may be, you know, donald trump said, a trojan horse. taking our weapons and making new legislation so we have no right to defend ourselves leaves us in a vulnerable position. i am concerned about the new threat. i would like to be able to live in a country where we are not under threat. where we have homeland security in place so we will be much for your -- freer. we are living under more threat now than ever before. it is alarming, especially having kids and you want a bright future and now we are under threat again. host: take a listen. we showed you what the gop candidates had to say in reaction to the address. "the wall street journal" says this about hillary clinton, she
gave a speech last night. the former secretary of state is opening a little daylight between herself and the president. she voiced agreement with most of her would be republican rivals about airstrikes in iraq and syria and an increase in special operations personnel on the ground. she sides with many in the gop by calling for a no-fly zone in syria. a coalition of arab nations willing to fight islamic state militants and the creation of a safe haven for refugees fleeing the war. on sunday she called for a more aggressive push to combat islamic state online by curbing its abilities on social media for propaganda and recruitment. in the papers this morning, on the internet, the question in the book of the wall street like facebooktes and twitter are hunting for terrorist posts and taking them down. on move underscores pressure these sites to monitor and sometimes remove violent content and propaganda from terror groups. it is unclear how closely each
company works with government, how frequently they remove content, and how it is identified. that effort underway online as well. there's this in the paper, iraq killing turkey to withdraw forces. gave turkey 48 hours to withdraw forces near mosul without the consent of the warning iternment, would force removal. tension between iraq and turkey, supposedly both trying to fight isis. in "the washington post" editorial, silence. turkey's president is deepening attacks on the media by jailing journalists. he has jailed two journalists, one of whom put on their website a video showing turkish police officers opening crates on the back of trucks. the newspaper said the cargo contained weapons and ammunition's down for syrian rebels and was sent by turkey's intelligence agency.
the video was dated january 2014. the government denied the trucks were carrying arms. later the government said the trucks may have been carrying arms destined for turks in syria. the reaction suggests the newspaper exposed an inconvenient truth. two days after the footage was revealed, the turkish president declared a newspaper had committed slander against the intelligence agency and it was an act of espionage. esther in tacoma, washington, independent. hi. caller: hi. i am pleased that i was able to get through. i am a former republican district leader into, turned independent. i'm the wife of a two-term vietnam war veteran. i'm very concerned about congress and all the people running for president who are insisting that we put troops on
the ground when we are not taking care of the soldiers that have come back from the vietnam war or any other wars going on right now. ourl we take care of soldiers, we should not put any more soldiers on the ground. we need to use our intellect and intelligence reports. need to force people to be direct and honest. how can we trust the reports that are being cleaned and provided to the president when he iraqis vacate their posts -- we are told that they stood their ground. then we give them arms and they leave them because they turn tail and leave. what is this coming to? host: sorry, but you are finished. we will go on to brian in texas, a democrat. caller: good morning. host: what do you think about what the president had to say? caller: the president has done a job in conveying the truth about
the situation. he's here to protect the united states of america and he's doing that. one thing about terrorism is there is nothing you can do once you are infiltrated the way we have been. are already, even if i had gun and someone decided to blow up the walmart around the corner, there's nothing i could do about it. for all the naysayers, the president always gives congress an opportunity to share their resolve for each situation that arrives. he opens the floor to them. in all situations, from health care to every situation, he leaves a platform for them to results give whatever they can come up with our solutions they can find, they never have any. alreadyu said they are here, nothing we can do. i want to read what "the new york times" put together, the
death toll from jihadist terrorists in the u.s. since september 11, 2001, 45 people. about the same as the 48 killed by white supremacists and other right-wing ideologies. both are a small fraction of conventional murders, more than period. in the same for democrats, become elements in most of these deaths is the same, guns. maria and new jersey, you're on the air. good morning kids sorry, thomas in georgia, democrat. i would like to say, president obama is right in what he is saying. about sending troops on the ground. it is very hard to kill a man that is already dead. these guys do not mind blowing themselves up. they will sacrifice one person
for 10 americans. sending troops on the ground would be like suicide. they are going to get blown out of the water. it is not going to work. the strategy that the president is using, the way he's going on these guys, it's a good strategy. the republicans want to send people -- it is not that easy fighting this kind of war. they are not contained in one area. they are here and there and everywhere. you cannot just go over there and fight them with troops on the ground. in aot to go at them certain way, these are suicide jihadist bombers. they are crazy. they are willing to sacrifice themselves, one person. they will take one person and love themselves up just to sacrifice 10 or 20 americans you cannot fight them in the regular
way like you fought world war i or those kinds of wars. we have about five minutes to continue with taking your phone calls about what the theident had to say in third of office address of his presidency on the threat of terrorism. "the new york times" and "the wall street journal" saying the president was trying to calm a jittery nation. "the new york times" editorial board weigh in, saying obama's tough and calming talk. other editorials, here is "usa isil," they say destroyed without destroying american values. they write obama has not hit on an effective strategy for defeating the group and key u.s. allies have been unreliable and in some cases pathetically so. the iraqi army, u.s. trained for years and equipped at enormous cost turned out to be unable to stand up to isil.
has been a mismatch between the goal of destroying isil and the means he has committed. that is in "usa today.' the opposing view is a collage of what the presidential candidates are saying on what to do about isis. we will talk about that of jonathan martin of the new york times about how the threat of terrorism, the debate over what to do is playing out in campaign 2016. journal, theet president plays defense. they write we wish we had heard him address the reduction in ability to collect telephone records. the ap reported that the lawn this or obama signed this summer governing the collection of metadata means the fbi cannot collect the phone records of the san bernardino killers beyond the last two years. republicans should press to have this data collection ability restored as part of the current budget negotiations.
and the senate have until friday to come together on a budget bill. part of the debate from republicans is including the proposal that they passed in the house recently that would put a pause on the syrian and iraqi refugee program. maria and new jersey, independent. good morning. caller: thank you. i would like to say that what the president did not mention was closing our own borders to any sort of illegals from any country. the former lieutenant governor of new york wrote in "the new york post" that our own state ordered the relaxation of interview standards for the refugees. it is ok if your spouse is part of a terrorist organization provided you convince the screener you did not know about it. you can have a history of supporting terrorist groups as long as you felt slightly
pressured to do it. i would like to recommend a book 's the losteehan history of the u.s. and the middle east and the rise of isis . he can arise it out for people. for the lady who suggested impeachment, she did not go far enough. our own congress should be closing our borders and bringing troops home. no foreign entanglements, we better go back to our basics. host: ok. maria in new jersey. we are going to take a short break. we come back, jonathan martin, national political correspondent for the new york times to talk about the threat of terrorism and what it means for campaign 2016. later we talk with lorenzo vidino, director of george washington university's extremism program. we will talk about american's advisers to isis -- american .ympathizers to isis
right after this short break. ♪ >> tonight on "the communicators," terrorism and the use of social media. social media is used by various terrorism groups to radicalize and recruit new members from around the world. we are joined by alberto fernandez, vice president of the middle east media research and mark wallace, ceo of the counter extremism project. both recently testified at a house oversight committee hearing on radicalization, social media and the rise of terrorism. >> if you look at the world and the production of immediate
worldwide, if you look at hollywood, madison avenue, there's no doubt that there are more of us than them. if you look at the narrow space where people are searching for this type of stuff in this sub world, this subculture, this , they radically outnumber everyone sending a different message, a counterterrorism message. >> we are to have a robust discussion in the u.s. that these companies are now it really on notice that their platforms are being abused. they have to put policies and procedures in place, a lot of which we have proposed, that limit and denied the ability of terrorists to use the platforms. we have to have a robust discussion, do these platforms become material support for the terrorist groups? >> communicators, tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span2. ♪ >> c-span presents landmark
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the president makes the oval office address, the third of his presidency, last night. what does that do for the presidential campaign and candidates? the democratic side, i think you will see a fascinating storyline between hillary clinton and barack obama. the president that she ran against and that she served and now that she's trying to succeed. question is how much to she allowed herself with this president on what is becoming the central issue of the campaign, terrorism and national security? how much does she carved out her own space? she has been very careful. slight differences, nothing profound. there are some areas where she does to seek repeal she called for a no-fly zone over syria. delicate positioning around the president was beloved by the facing deepase but
doubts among a lot of americans about whether or not he's overseeing the prosecution of this war on terrorism, whether it is going as well as it could. how does he navigate between the broader electorate and the democratic base, which still reveres the president. it is going to be one of the most fascinating things to watch. i also think that this could help, what has happened in california and paris, t it is a reminder that this is a serious time and she is some of you has experience on these issues. that could help her in a primary against bernie sanders and martin o'malley. on the republican side, i think the only question is how aggressively can the candidates criticize president obama? the action is. none of them are going to say it was a great speech last night, i'm all for him. it is a matter of degree.
i was really struck over the weekend by ted cruz in iowa, this is somebody who is a harford and princeton trained lawyer, a u.s. senator and , a person who argued before the supreme court. he said i do not know if sand can glow, but we are going to lighten up so hard we are going to see, talking about bombing isis in the middle east. that is the kind of language we've heard from donald trump. the fact that ted cruz is using that language about how much he wants to go after them speaks to where the action on the republican side, the hawkish, bombastic, pugnacious, pick your adjective. language,ing trump'd it tells you what the mindset is. host: does it exposed divisions within the party? is certainly has the
potential. marco rubio, we have a story today about this, he is seizing on the fact that ted cruz aligned himself with rand paul on the matter of whether or not the nsa should be allowed to collect metadata from people. has tried to position himself halfway between the libertarians on national security issues. john mccain on the hawkish side rand paul on the libertarian side. trying to find a safe, middle ground within the base of the party. on some of the votes he has been on the rand paul side. now that you have blood in the streets of paris and san bernardino comic candidates like areo who have been hawks going to seize on this as not being tough on terrorism. host: so far polls show that
donald trump, who is not talking, he talks in a bombastic way but is not talking specifically about what to do, he does not talk about specifics when it comes to foreign policy. not like you hear from marco rubio, he is still leading the polls. guest: classic strongmen. anxiety andubt, uncertainty. someone speaking in an terms i cannoting the s -- say that were, even on c-span, bombing isis. that resonates for the population. for a lot of folks it is a turnoff. it seems simplistic. but it has real appeal. they do not want the details, , a five-point
strategy for how to confront isis. they like tough talk. it is not an overwhelming majority of the country, i don't think it is even of the party, but it is enough. in a splintered race, he does not need majority, he needs plurality. host: we are taking your questions and comments about the threat of terrorism, who do you trust on this? as many have said, the fight is going to last a long time and this is going to be an issue for the next president. who do you trust? republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, 202-748-8002. jonathan martin, national political correspondent with the new york times. traveling across the country and spending a lot of time on the road. likely you will continue to do so. guest: we are less than two
months out from iowa. it is incredible. to bek we are going campaign,intensified especially in iowa and new hampshire. in iowa, you've got ted cruz with a head of steam there, consolidating the evangelicals vote, which is crucial in iowa. i think you will see candidates trying to stop that. have a story today about rubio doing just that, he will not be allowed. rick santorum and mike huckabee, whose fate really does rest with iowa, i think you will see an urgent effort to stop cruz. host: campaign, especially in iowa and new hampshire. in iowa, you've got ted cruz with a head of steam t what is e ground in iowa, it rubio is changing tactics as your story illustrates. he has not talked a lot about ted cruz but he is going after cruz. guest: ben carson had a good ride. a lot of folks are attracted to an outsider, that has worn off. in 2012 we had a flavor of the month, candidates would rise up
and fade. some people thought that that would happen with trump and that has not been the case. it has been the case with carson. he had his moment and folks have moved away from him because they have questions about whether or not he can be commander-in-chief. into the vacuum has stepped ted cruz. cruz has a lot of the same support, evangelicals in iowa. last week out there, talking to people at cruz rallies i said , overe you for in 2012 and over on her rick santorum. that is the demographic that he is attracting, he has a strong organization. for example, i was in a fairly rural county in eastern iowa, benton county, i was talking to the county cochair for ted cruz. i said we are two months before the caucuses, how many precincts do you have organized? she said i have 10 of 19 already organized, that is pretty good
for a rural county in iowa. i think it is better than almost anyone in the race. host: let me show you the political cartoon. donald trump walking a tightrope do not cruz saying worry, if you thought i am here to catch your supporters. guest: that about captures it. part of the reason why the republican establishment is reluctant to go after donald trump, there are a lot of reasons, but one of them is they are worried about what comes next. if you put a lot of money on tv to take down trump, who does that benefit? you have to think in politics, if i go after x, who is the y that benefits. if you take down trump, cruz helped. i think a lot of folks in the white building behind you, the capitol, are just as concerned about cruz as the nominee as trump, not as much but close. that is part of the reluctance.
cruz has avoided going after trump because cruz wants his supporters. trump has had tough words, to put it mildly, for every candidate in the race except .ruz there's kind of this them,ression pact between i'm not sure it can last. i'm curious to see this week if you have a survey that comes out of iowa this week or next week that shows cruz taking the lead thre, is that the cue that trump starts turning out cruz. donald trump has been predicting that ted cruz has to come after me. s to counter want attack. the second he has any provocation, he's happy to go after these guys. host: we will take the first phone call, north carolina, republican. caller: good morning, c-span. i've got a couple quick comment s. mr. martin, on the campaign of i'm going to put it
like this. before there were guns, there were swords, before swords, clubs, before there were clubs, cain used a rock to kill abel. you have to get the will to kill out of this country. the primary, let's just say hillary clinton is going to be the nominee. she considers half the country the enemy. she blamed an american citizen for using his first amendment rights for the death of 4 americans in benghazi. other than as, flat-out civil war, how is how i to bring the country together? party says that the republicans do not have a voice in this country. the president, during the last election, said that that
election was inconsequential to him because his side did not win. you had john kerry tell joe scarborough that the tea party's voice should be silenced. and the media should not recognize it. host: i think we've got your point, divisions in this country. very real. are as the gentleman just indicated. i do not think it is just from washington, i think it is a reflection of where the country is. people are more ideological between the two parties. i don't know if any president is going to change that anytime soon. it is not washington, it is a reflection of where a lot of people are in this country. if you look at the presidents who have come to office in recent history, you can really and george h.w. bush through george clinton, george w. bush, barack obama, all of them ran on the notion of bridging the divide in bringing
washington together and healing presidents, they all failed. the reason is because the country is polarized. it is difficult for one person to change that. host: texas, donald, democrat. caller: how're you doing? i've been a democrat mostly all my life. i think the president is doing a good job. i am kind of upset with the refugee thing. i feel that anyone who straps bombs to them could be dangerous. that i wouldy agree -- i heard donald trump say it is 65,000 in the debate.ic
i think the number could go as high as 200,000. guest: that is not accurate. caller: we can solve our problems in the u.s. host: it is not accurate? guest: it is not accurate, the president said 10,000 refugees from syria. a small country is taking more than the united states. trump said the number he has, but he is impervious to fact debate. i think the number could go as high as 200,000. guest: that is not accurate. caller:checks. the: i want to weave in story on december 1, wary of donald trump, gop leaders caught in a standoff. it relates to trying to unite everyone. donald trump's comments, many people say, are alienating large groups of people from the republican party. yet the gop leaders do not say anything. guest: they are paralyzed about what to do over his comments. they know it is toxic for the party. they see the same numbers that we do that among nonwhites and a deeply unpopular figure and his nomination would be a serious threat to the party. they do not know what to do. in part, the people that could finance a campaign to stop him do not want to invite a backlash. trump has proven he will attack
whoever attacks him. that is some concern that if you itg up on trump, he will use to his benefit and say i told you so, the establishment is trying to stop me because they are scared of you and that will rally supporters. and lastly the point i mentioned earlier, ok, if we go after trump, who does that help? are we helping cruz in doing that? you've got a scenario where it is december 7 and there is nobody going after trump. it is remarkable, less than two months before the iowa caucuses, the undisputed party front runner widely seen as a disaster for the party by the folks that run the party is untouched. to those points that you just outlined, do they apply to the millionaires and the leaners that have participated in campaigns in the past? the koch brothers said we are not going to endorse anyone, sheldon adelson -- guest: they could put money at
tomorrow. mentioneds you just how the resources that tomorrow they could put 25 nine dollars in an ad campaign against trump and bring his numbers down. trump has a floor you're not going to get below but you could bring his numbers down some. people havet those not put money behind a campaign is puzzling. but i think it can be explained in part by the fact that they do not want to get into a back-and-forth with this person who revels in such behavior. host: leland, mississippi, blake, independent. caller: i want to say that i don't think mr. trump is electable because of his views. i think that america needs to get a grip on its problems in terms of violence and terrorism. it is always been violent. income inequality is the reason why there is the situation in paris, why there is the situation in america.
concentrate on the terrorists in america, the ku klux klan, the police for african-americans. i know you have not believed that we have been getting killed forever but these are the true terrorists. we care about what goes on in this country first. host: let me jump in. a domestic message is one bernie sanders has been running on. what happens to his campaign as more and more focus in the debate is taking place over what bernieith isis? guest: sanders comes out of a class-based liberalism. , and early the 1960's cultural debates, even an earlier moment than that. he is a believer in class solidarity. the issues that are animating the campaign are about national security, terrorism and especially in the democratic primary, questions about racial
equality and justice. the rise of the black lives matter movement has been a powerful force in the democratic party. it is tough for bernie sanders to adjust. that is not what his passion is about. incomes to talk about inequality and campaign financing, the fact that the leaners control national politics. -- the fact that billionaires control national politics. he has been driving that message for decades. for him to confront a different campaign is a real challenge. you see him struggling with that. host: south carolina, one of states, democrat, godhead. caller: good -- democrat, go ahead. caller: good morning. unfortunately, last name is farook, but i have nothing to do with terrorism. muslim.
the 50's i used to go to sunday school and my parents worked hard to get us out of the ghetto. we moved to the "white" part of town. we could not wait for sunday morning to go to sunday school and we wanted to show off all the bible versus me and my brother learned. we got trips to the seashore and things like that. we the 50's i used to go to sunday school and my parents worked hard to get us out of the got through the front door of the church and they put their hand out and said you cannot come here, you are not allowed here. your church is somewhere else. six-year-olds, the or seven-year-old child that i was and that is what steered me towards islam throughout the years. i started looking for the true message from god and i found it in islam. right now i live in upstate south carolina. mostly hard-working,
middle-class caucasian's. these people are some of the best people that i have ever lived around in my life. seeing this thing about terrorism, when it is somebody who is affiliating or seem to be affiliated with islam, it is called terrorism. but when some other person does it, it is a mass shooting. up all theo call psychiatrists and psychologists and attribute that person to his actions. they do not do the same thing for us. guest: that is fascinating. he is speaking to what is one of the most revealing divisions when it comes to the shootings in american politics. you see a pattern that my colleague jennifer wrote about last week in "the times," the democrats want to turn the focus to gun control and republicans tend to figure out who the shooter was and if they are muslim it is about terrorism. if they are not, they focus more on the psychology behind the
shooter. it is a strange pattern and it speaks to how polarized we are. we interpret these shootings differently. fromheard complaints african-americans about, you know, there's this obsession to try to figure out where the white shooter went wrong and how they had a troubled life or whatever that you do not the when it comes to nonwhite shooters peered i think the caller is speaking to that. host: what about the politics of the president last night saying ok, let's not allow terrorists to get guns in the country? sanusing what happened in bernardino, california to push for tighter restrictions on gun access. guest: is going to have the same justof impact that i was speaking about. democrats will rally to that and republicans will oppose that. partisana sort of
intractable divide on that issue . it is difficult to see what would change that. the democrats complain about the nra and the power of the nra. has democrats and the left not done, they have not found a way to match the political party of the nra. to getve not found a way people to vote on the gun issue who are in support of gun control. obviously has money. their power is in the fact that gun rights advocates will vote on the issue. they come out and they vote on the issue. the left has not figured out a way to create a similar group to prompt voters on their side of issuesue to be single gun-control voters. until they do that, they're going to have a hard time matching the power of the nra. host: we go to our republican color, peter in new york. caller: mr. martin, i have a personal story and comment. the reason trump is doing so he is advocating
lowering immigration in this country. the fbi said themselves that they do not have the resources to track all these people. they've got like 900 people on the terrorist list that they are following. they just do not have the resources. lessmerican people want immigration and not more. the chamber of commerce and the more class want immigration. we do not know who is who. it is almost impossible to track these people or get the information that we need to do what is necessary. in 1993 during the first world trade center bombing, i was in a national liquidator in new york run by pakistani nationals. what came over the loudspeaker
system was music that the bombing had just occurred. who were pakistani nationals working in the store were dancing in the aisles, i saw it myself. that is all i have to say. he touched on one of the central divisions in the republican party, which is immigration. .his gets close to the bone a lot of activists who are republicans, it is not just about illegal immigration. they do not want to see immigration into this country, at least not at the levels it has been in recent decades. legalant to at least trim immigration coming into this country. the party elites are not in favor of that. he is speaking to that. host: lori in california, democrat, you're next. guest: up early. caller: i think a donald trump
is like a time bomb waiting to go off. he is against a whole lot of blow up a he wants to lot of people. people, ially that know they are. ist starting a war with them not going to make them want to live any longer. host: we take your point. guest: the great thing about c-span is it reflects a spectrum of americana, the different views of voters, from long island to california and from sea to shining sea. that captures the views of a lot of people, the previous caller did as well. looking at trump, i think people
view him through the prism of their own life experiences under own worldview. for a lot of people, he speaks to their concern and unease. for a lot of people he's a disaster and offensive and appalling, it depends where you sit. het: how he speaks and what says is resonating. your story about gop leaders caught in the standoff, yet at the same time the republican senatorial committee, in a memo, is pushing their candidates to be more trump. channel your inner trump. guest: he's tapping into a populist resentment that has great agency right now among a lot of people. challenge for how do you tap ism without sounding
like trump in a way that offends people, how do you take the good and leave the bad, it is not easy. host: david and wisconsin, independent. caller: the first point is that isis is, they are crazy. guest: fair. caller: is a death cult. trumpism without sounding like trump in a way that offends people, how do you take the good and leave the comes out and saye going to bomb the s out of isis. it's an ideology. you are going to bomb an ideology? other candidates are talking about sending massive ground troops and we are going to go back into a big war. we have not even paid for the last 3 worse. who's going to pay for this? are we going to raise taxes, we cannot raise taxes, that is a no no. where are we going with this? and who is going to be the enemy? similar to vietnam. we did not even know who the enemy was. host: david is bringing up a lot of questions that will come up at the next republican debate. guest: how do you go after what
radical terrorism organization that is not connected to any state that hasoperation in the middle, but also has -- as we set the know, copycats for people who are trying to impress them somehow a very difficult thorny challenge that there is no clear-cut solution to. host: your story from new york times is about marco rubio's strategy, he talks about what is happening in iowa on the ground. tell our viewers what is happening in new hampshire. isst: new hampshire fascinating this primary. buchanan had at real strong showing in new hampshire when he ran for president a couple of times, especially in 92.
there is a blue-collar electorate there that is attracted to the kind of tough talk on borders and trade that trump is doing. there was also sort of affluentducated more electorate there and now it is divided. these candidates appealing for a similar vote share. it is fractured in new hampshire and this is part of the challenge for the challenge. when does that coalescence take place behind someone who will oppose trump or crews -- cruz? right now, it seems to be fractured. christie has an opening there, he is getting a lot of chatter and strong endorsement. has retail political skills that are probably unmatched in the rest of the field. in new hampshire, he does not
have a lot of money and he is a lot of otherst candidates for a similar share of votes. host: what about the ground game, the grassroots effort? guest: kasich and bush ended their ground game there and i think of the candidate there, they -- they will be strong. trump is the unknown because a are notis voters frequent primary voters. that is still one of the great mysteries of the campaign. are they voters, nonvoters, can he make them voters for him? guest: could we see chris christie winning? guest: yes, i think you could. goods real appeal, he is a the state. he is a tough talker in a way that trump has stepped on.
i think christie does have an opening an opportunity to do well in the state and even win. if he does, the race becomes fascinating because then who becomes the establishment tech -- establishment pick? we are following it all very closely. by the way, you can follow him on twitter. thank you very much for your time. we come back and we'll turn our attention to american sympathizers to isis. real talk to the director of george washington university's extremism program. we will be right back. ♪
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debated. joining us is the discussion is theodore olson and douglas smith. that is live tonight at 10:00 eastern -- at 9:00 eastern on c-span, c-span three and c-span radio. >> washington journal continues. ast: we are joined now by georgia university -- the director of the george washington university extreme -- extremism program, welcome, glad you could be here to talk about this issue. there's a lot of talk about the san bernardino shooters and how they were radicalized, what does that mean? it means that they
adopted and extremist ideology. specifically, isis related ideology. part and parcel of this is the support of violence and the creation of his -- of an islamic state. most muslims do not agree. in a sense, it is the support of against anybody that opposes the political idea. other muslims, westerners, you name it. host: what does radical islam mean, a lot of debate around those words? guest: absolutely a big political debate about whether or not is correct -- it is correct to use that term. it is difficult for some and it -- and an important debate to have.
the idea is that there is a movement in the middle east, i think we have seen it for almost 100 years. it has really grown that uses phrases from the religion or a political agenda. it is a diverse movement. you have some groups that are nonviolent like the muslim brotherhood, then you have the opposite side of the spectrum, like al qaeda or isis. guest: they're just taking -- host: they're just taking different phrases from the corolla -- from the corolla from the koran? -- from the koran? they take a literal approach, a historical approach and they pick and choose certain verses that fit to their political agenda. it is a very powerful message because it builds on muslim
frames and it's very powerful and abuse for a lot of people. host: i want to get your reaction to the president and his oval office address last night, talking about the growth of extremism, take a look. pres. obama: that does not mean denying the fact that an extremist ideology has spread in some muslim communities. it is a problem that muslims must confront without excuse. muslim leaders here and around the world have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like isis and al qaeda promote. speak out against not just acts of violence, but also the interpretations of islam that are incompatible with the values of religious tolerance, mutual respect and human dignity. just as it is the responsibility of muslims around the world to root out misguided ideas that lead to radicalization, it is the responsibility of all americans, of every faith, to reject dissemination. host: what did you make of what
the president said? probably the strongest speech he gave on the subject, not just of terrorism but of radical islam. it was very powerful that he talked about ideology, a big debate within the administration and washington is the role of ideology and whether poverty causes terrorism. of this,is a big part obviously it's not the only thing, there are other factors. it is a very complex process, but ideology is a big heart. poverty alone does not cause terrorism. after andy went condemned violent ideas, he -- heically mentioned talked about ideas that are unacceptable because they are against values that are human.
not just to wreck the violent, but also ideas that are unacceptable. that it does not necessarily come from poverty, that it comes from an ideology, what does that mean for people in the notice states, i'm her -- americans who are attracted to the message and ideology? -- youa recent report, did a recent report. guest: we look at all the cases of individuals who are charged with trying to join isis and this is one of the big takeaways poverty,t is not about we have all kinds of individuals from all walks of life, different levels of socioeconomic integration. for the most part, these are well integrated people based on socioeconomic standards. we don't know the details about san bernardino, for example, but both had degrees. someone who came
recently, but the husband was born and bred in the u.s., he went to college and have a good paying job. on the surface, quite well integrated with no issues of poverty or discrimination or marginalization. different people become attracted to a certain ideology. seen a pattern we have with other extremist views. people do it for personal reasons. poverty might have something to do with it. americans travel or attempted to travel to syria or iraq to join isis as of the fall of 2015. 900 active investigations against isis sympathizers in all 50 states are underway. 71 individuals have been charged with isolated activity since march of 2014. largenumbers are not that we look at the entire population.
guest: we are talking about a statistically insignificant phenomenon, one mark of the president is that we cannot -- one of the biggest mistakes is the smallgether numbers of the extremists with the numbers of the two point something million american muslims that are peaceful and well integrated and reject those extremist ideologies. every security point of view, these numbers are concerning because we don't see this -- we never saw this degree of mobilization in the past. al qaeda try to reach some americans, but you saw maybe 15 or 20 people charged every year. 60, year we are seeing 50, north of thousand, it is a substantial number. the biggest mistake would be to make this about the muslim community here. 30% of individuals who are charged in the u.s. are converts, most of them are new, people who convert to islam
online and then two weeks later are attracted to isis. it's not just the muslim community, although it does have to play a role in going after the ideology. host: what is attracted to americans who are converts? -- attractive to americans who are converts? guest: it's difficult to say because they have so many diverse backgrounds. criminals and graduate students, ethnic backgrounds, all walks of life. a lot of them, it is a sense of identity and belonging a certain community. maybe they are not well-adjusted in one way or another and they find a sense of belonging. in some case, it is the ultimate rebellion, people who are attracted by other rebellious ideologies. what is more rebellious today than isis? -- the average's
age is 26 years old and 86% are male. guest: if you take out two or three cases of people in their 40's, then the average age goes down to the early 20's. we've seen quite a few cases of teenagers. it is a matter of people looking for a certain message. i think that is the role that communities have to play, that is what the president was talking about. the fbi cannot be there doing preventive work. the do something once radicalization process has begun, but there is or what we can do in society to stop and intercept radicalization at the start. host: how do we do that? guest: a lot of european countries, they have experiences where there are mentors,
--ically structures, whether they stop people from further radicalizing. some problems of gangs in the u.s. and i think radicalizing could be treated as a similar phenomenon. a social ill and you and people can become victims. it is a message that attract young people. we have a system in place to prevent the signs and then try to help people, young people go to different direction. we don't have one for radicalization, and i think it's high time we did that. host: with all that on the table, let's dig in with viewers, errol from long beach, independent, you are on. says you are working at the george washington university and your skills are in extremism, what bothers me is
you guys are all talking about circumstances and that that are overwhelmed when you look at the united states, people going into liquor stores and way more people buying from somebody going in and robbing and doing those kinds of things, yet the commander-in-chief of this nation, for some reason thinks it's ok to send nuclear weapons to belgium, germany, italy, the netherlands and turkey. those nations used to be our enemies and i just comprehend why he would ever send nuclear weapons anywhere because some of the gets a hold of those things because there is an upsetting of the whole nation, especially like a nation like germany, it's like now we have a quick a country with nuclear weapons and what is going to happen when that takes place? the world is getting cold, that is was happening.
guest: i'm not sure i know the dynamics of what he is talking about, but he mentioned nato whoes, those are countries have been reliable allies for the last 60 or 70 years. has military facilities in all these countries, turkey included, which is a clear -- wegic part, they need have long had military bases and nuclear weapons are in some cases part of the arsenal that the u.s. keeps there. all countries are stable to be honest, i don't see germany -- by any sort of revolutionary force there, but that is been the structure since world war ii. in thesis sympathizers
u.s., are they necessarily all attracted to and commit acts of violence? your times notes that the death toll from jihadist terrorism in the u.s. since the september 11 people, is about the same as the 48 killed in terrorist attacks motivated by whites premised and other right-wing extremist ideologies, both smaller than the large number of 200,000 general murders since -- guest: how much do you cover the disk portion of coverage -- the disproportionate coverage? fair that if san bernardino got carried out by people other ideologies that it would not have gotten the same coverage. host: does that contribute to the attraction to isis, all the
coverage? guest: i think they are attracted by the success that isis is having on the ground in syria and iraq. you might argue that some people that it ever been interested in the message might be attracted by this, these people follow a certain kind of media and mainstream on the debate. something to the disproportionality here between how the media treats jihadists inspired terrorism, informational terror -- international terrorism and domestic terrorism. the kind of emotions it triggers , the moment it becomes international terrorism, then everything becomes much more intense and polarizing. that is probably not the right way of seeing it if you look at it at the cold numbers. right-wing extreme -- extremism does actually killed more. at the same time, it is international terrorism, isis, a
global movement, that poses a larger threat from a geopolitical point of view. there is no right-wing movement that is controlling a country the size of france in the middle east and trying to expand its reach globally. don in california, democrat. please let the people talk, let the people that call in talk. host: you are on. caller: listen to me. is arab, right? host: he's italian. whatever, please don't cut me off because this guy called in talking about the bible earlier and he talked about nobody doesn't know what the bible is talking about, but these are the end times.
there is nothing nobody can do about what's going on because the first and the second world war has been here and the third one is coming, what says the bible. in isason why we are because the lord said he would plead with all nations, which is in iraq and the middle east for the hurt and harm that all of the nations have done to the theelite people who are blacks here in america, blacks hispanics and native americans. arabs, the lord said in the last days, ishmael would be a wild ,an and no one would like him all nations will hate him and he will hate all nations. this is the bible talking and the bible is selling us that the world is about to be destroyed
in the third world war and this is the beginning of the third world war. host: we got your point. what do you make of that? third world war is something that the king of jordan is their third world war. in the arabnally world and he middle east, the problems they are seeing geopolitically are extremely tense and you are -- they are surrounded by extremely photomedex situations. call itknow if i would a third world war, but for the region, it would need very cautious and reluctant to make it into a religious prophecy or doomsday kind of analogy. for we are seeing from italy just geopolitical point is extremely tense with a variety of forces clashing and sectarian undertones that which we have not seen in a long time in sanctuaries and that is -- because the narrative at the end justmes is shaping not
isis but also other forces on the ground in the middle east. that is extremely problematic. countries where you have different groups living side by side for a long time with intermarriages and are now extremely polarized and how to change and go back to peaceful coexistence between those groups, it is something that will take a very long time. host: baltimore, jim, democrat. caller: i have to make a comment. for about 35 years, i have been treated by muslim doctors ever since i had cancer and they had taken care of my mother and sister and my whole family. what i can't understand is why does donald trump spew this hatred against all muslims, and then not expect how a young muslim student now in college or
schoolsschool for grade , not to be radicalized when they hear him say that muslim families should be killed? it does not make any sense, this is. hatred in every way. when you get a young child who is growing and he hears and see things like donald trump on television, you are investing their minds with hatred against america. i don't think donald trump says muslim families should be killed, but the rhetoric has come from a few potential candidates, it has been quite strong and it sends a message that the color correctly said, plants a certain seed into the mind of people. this is the isis narrative which tells people and the young
muslims in the west that you don't belong there, that society hates you and you will never belong. they have this economy of the evil west and good muslims and you're a muslim, you don't belong in the west, so come here and carry out attacks, that polarizing message is the whole idea. the end message is to create the division within society so that muslim populations redolent -- radicalized because they do not get a sense of belonging in the west and that is a very dangerous thing we should avoid. host: senator rand paul reacting to what the president said yesterday, saying if we needs to fight -- if we need to fight isis on the ground, it should be arab boots on the ground. ifyou think it matters people are seeing who's fighting who? guest: i think western boots on -- if we see another invasion with massive ground
-- i think large a western -- a large western up -- operation would bring forth the isis narrative of colonization, crusades, the rhetoric they use to recruit people. the problem is also, what kind of troops to use on the ground? a lot of the work that has been done in iraq for example, the the militia,een, which are shia, and we go back to the discourse of polarization and it think most sunni arabs and muslims do not support isis and are very uncomfortable in boots and militias, which can be just as radicalized as isis. you cannot expect the kurds to control arab majority areas.
that is the whole picture of the difficulty of finding routes on the ground, that are acceptable to the local population. host: and turkey does not want the kurds to get you a momentum because could cause problems for them. guest: and you have allies that do not want the shia militia, the turks do not with the kurds, that is the whole crux there. host: chris in new york, independent. caller: i there. -- hi there. my question is, do we actually know the objective that isis is looking for? do we actually know what our objective that we are looking for for the middle east is? is the objective of ice is trying to secure their culture, their law, where we are trying to impose minority rights, more minority rights, is that why we
are over there? case, if that is the wouldn't that be more of a -- united nations mission rather than a western ally mission? , if thatpoint would be over theirise, then bombing, doing all of this bombing of those people, how many innocent muslims are we killing over there and does that even help the cause? guest: lots of good questions. isis stated the goals clearly, they want to create an islamic state which is ever expansionist and will not stop. the state would expand from the court which is now in use to be
-- what used to be syria and iraq, and expand through the region and troll all countries where you see a muslim majority and even reconquer parts of what used to be muslim empires, so spain, italy and the balkans. they want to create the society that is run by a strict interpretation of the sharia. you can interpreted in different ways, you have plenty of countries in the muslim world that do sharia, but there is no one and that is one sharia. one interpretation that isis stricts very extremely and nontaxable, so we see the kind of society they want where you have stoning of homosexuals, you have all kinds of the receiver punishments. this is the geostrategic all they have and they have a clear goal of what the society they want will look like. it is a bit more complicated to say what our goal is. we have the goal of stopping them from spreading and attacking other countries
because of these expansionist goals they have, what kind of society we want in place, i think during -- with president bush, it was to export democracy and democracy would be the that agendathink has not followed with president obama, now we are content to whatever regimes we can find that are not necessarily adversarial. there is more indirect support of democracy but less of an aggressive agenda with the exception of the regimes that are clearly under -- undemocratic, given the circumstances, given how problematic it is in the failures of the arab spring, despite our hopes, they have produced instability in the region. the region -- the regimes in the area, even if under -- undemocratic, are believe the next best thing.
-- are probably the next best thing. victimsy, the civilian plays a huge part of it and it is impossible, even in the most surgical way the bombings are being done right now, by the -- to notast, to have have civilian victims. the lysis use those victims to boost its case that america is killing muslims? absolutely. host: we go to chris, an independent. with then the air director of a new program at george washington university on extremism. i was just talking to -- the follow-up is, if we are
going in there and healing thing everybody is seeing is the soldiers from different rather than just a u.n. mission, and i think that's what the problem is because then when you have all these nations going in there with different colors, then it seems like it is the u.s. and britain and france and everybody else against the muslims. host: we got that point, let's move on to james in georgia, a republican. you referred twice to the new york times article with the numbers of murders by both terrorist and white supremacists. do either one of you all know the actual homicide rate ranking
of the u.s.? host: no, what is your point? caller: the united states has the most guns per capita of any country in the world, however, we rank 111 in total homicide rate. we are not in the upper half of homicides. the new york times makes these statements about how horrible and actually, if you took out the top 10 cities that are all by the way democratically controlled, the rates in the u.s. would drop to 200 and 10 introduction homicide rates in the world -- 210 in homicide rates in the world. all this stuff about gun violence needs to be put in perspective. the new york times is not doing that.
host: thank you for calling up and making that point. bob in california, democrat. hi.er: i have a speech impediment, so please don't coming up so i can get my went on. fewread an article a minutes back about the difference between domestic terror and other terrorism, comparing the two, i think the difference between isis or al is, ifr the jihadi's they got their way, they would mass destruction bomb or something like that. if they had something to take out america, they would do it. these other loan will shooters that are shooting up theaters and stuff like that, that is totally different, they want to
kill us all, they -- that is what the people are scared when they think of that. they think of them coming and doing something very horrible. guest: to some degree, he is correct, to say there have been some right-wing movements, domestic in the u.s. that have pretty atrocious plots. they have plans like poisoning the water supplies which would've caused housings of debts, but generally speaking, it is true that at this point, the only extremist movement that is globally with certain capabilities to carry out mass atrocities are the ones that are jihadist inspired. they carry out plots like 9/11, they -- we see a rise in using dirty bombs. we should not fall into panic because of what is partially propaganda. remember the paper al qaeda put
out a few years back called a dirty bomb for a donation, advocating nuclear attacks in the u.s. they try to acquire and carry out something like that, it is a big difference. nonetheless, there is that mindset in some of these groups which are fringe, but they have a global reach that is undeniable. host: something to talked about last night is the social media, the internet has a raised distances between countries. you talk about that in your new report, isis in america. how are they using social media because there is a story about facebook, twitter, these sites trying to crack down on messages on their websites. guest: this has been going on for a while and there are a lot of issues when it comes to the first amendment and what do you take down what is extremist language, but social media has been used by isis and it started
the organization itself, is individuals who are not formally affiliated with isis who spread the propaganda and the -- and it goes around and some of them are in the u.s. whether it's the first time to get in touch with the message, all the way through your medicalization and mobilization, social media plays a role. texasd the shooters in that a few minutes before going in and trying to kill people were tweeting with people in isis in syria, they -- they were telling them to go and kill. #texasarted with the attack right before they went in. it was like having the devil on your shoulder telling you to kill. that it ise sense sort of a trigger, and egging on that speeds up this process of radicalization.
anywhere you are, you can connect with the real deal. something that is candidly novel and very difficult for law enforcement to crack down on. host: what about the dark when? -- web? guest: there are reports of them moving to more difficult and -- more difficult to penetrate platforms. it's very difficult for the fbi to catch up from ecological point of view. theypted messages, disappear right away, you need subpoenas, it is extremely difficult. i think it's going to be -- a that don'tviduals have links to isis, they just talk amongst themselves. there is that messaging with outside people which allows the nsa to intercept -- it is all domestic. host: frank in louisiana, independent, you are next. we are so concerned
about isis, why are not -- where we not bring back the draft? host: why do you think that? caller: if we are that fearful as a were during world war ii, we had the draft and the war was over in no time flat. host: charles in oakland, arkansas, democrat. caller: i have a question for your guest. in the koran, is there more than one? guest: just one. host: why do you ask? caller: i've never read it and i was wondering if it's true that it says death to infidels. there is one book. like any other book, is open to interpretation.
there are parts of the koran that say certain things that are, if interpreted literally, quite strong running talk about killing non-muslims and so on and so forth. there is a literal rate -- way of reading it and there is a historical way of reading, such as the battles that mohammed fought to recruit his first followers. of the older days of islamic history and obviously, you can read them in a historical way and put them in context or you can do with isis and al qaeda do and use the lesson that comes from the seventh century and apply it to the 21st century. any religious text, it is all about interpretation. host: mike, independent. caller: good morning. interested in your comments today, but you seen to not address what the real
islamic world is in this war, and that is, forget about isis and al qaeda. it is saudi arabia. theyare the arbitrators, -- your friend barack obama, has the key back and gotten his boots on the ground already to overthrow the governments in the middle east. that is what this is all about, the boots on the ground, of course we will not have u.s. boots on the ground, the hourly have their boots on the ground, turkey, saudi arabia and -- if vice president biden said this three years ago in a speech out of harvard. i cannot believe the saudis and the turks are pouring in billions and millions of weapons, our weapons for his war on she is and that is a fact. host: we are running out of time so i wanted him to address what you were saying.
guest: there is been a cold war going on for the last 40 years between iran and saudi, the main shia country and the main sunni country. religion inet their the -- in a very intense way and are trying to geopolitically outmaneuver each other. the struggle has gone from cold to hot to very hot. the saudi's have spread, they are very militant. they are funding and have funded certain groups that are militant that are not necessarily isis andcertainly are in syria have expanded through the whole region. the relation between saudi and the u.s. is very complicated and dates back to before world war ii and has a lot to do with oil. the saudi's have been a reliable ally, certain things they have done that believe run against what is the agenda and the
interest of the u.s. in the region, it is a very complex religion -- relationship. host: texas, republican, hello. caller: how can we be called an exclusionary country when we can go to mecca or medina? it's incumbent upon the muslim leaders worldwide to change those policies and become more inclusive for we are expected to be held to those standards. it's not that we need to throw -- they are an exclusionary force in this world and we are not nobody knows it. host: let's take that point. guest: talking about the muslim we havet is -- different countries with different policies and levels of tolerance from country to country. in saudi arabia, you cannot go to the holy city for muslims only.
i'm not necessarily sure the u.s. should be applying the same standard mba's legendary ourselves. i'm not quite a comment on the policy there, it is something the saudi's do for some religious reason. the fact that it happens there does not mean we should apply the same standard and exclude people from here. we should not exclude people from rome who are not christian. kind of said it yesterday, this thing of intolerance in sony most conservative parts of the muslim world which need to be addressed. a struggle taking place, a civil war within islam taking place with more modernist forces and more conservative ones fighting for the soul of islam. it is undeniably happening. what we are seeing is exactly what is taking place in the middle east. it is not just sunni and shia, it is islamist. " the conservative
movement is sweeping the middle east, is it an antidote to islamist state for a new threat to the west?" what is this? guest: it is sort of a missionary movement, spreading the message of islam. depending on what movement they are profiling, there are a lot of conservative forces in the muslim world that have gained traction but have been supported by the saudi's and other countries. aggressiveeen very in pumping billions into spreading a very conservative interpretation of islam and are has been a major change in the way muslims interpret islam globally compared to 50 years ago. because of this money being poured in, supporting a very conservative interpretation, you have parts of the world were traditionally, islam was very tolerant and modernist and open. central asia for example.
today, we have seen a major shift. you would not see women -- or some other forms of conservative in the balkans. now because of saudi money being poured in, you do see that. struggle taking place, very difficult for the west to intervene for a variety of reasons. very difficult for the west to be a part of what is inevitably an internal muslim debate. host: from the christian science monitor, they say they try to tread lightly from boston mosque in a bone to do under countries including the u.s., the region has seen faster growth than the arab world. --ce is the people supported they say that it is a peaceful movement, it is not violent and harbors no hatred for other faiths or people. john in pennsylvania, democrat, you are our last.
is somewhat [inaudible] 1932, saudi arabia accepted this as their state sanctioned religion. maybe we should boycott saudi thema and try to force progressiveg a more viewpoint. host: let's take your question. guest: the caller brought up two points that come up often. simplifying things a bit, one is the saudi version -- it is a very literal interpretation of
islam, one to revert to the early days of the prophet mohammed and his followers and follow the examples. they interpret the carranza in a -- they interpret the carranza koran in aound -- literal way. the endless debate is are groups that are sort of conservative, let's say these groups, are we ok with them from a social point of view and one thing and saudi, are we agree with -- are we ok with this movement in the west when it comes to tolerance of women's rights and homosexuals and freedom of religion? we ok with this kind of propaganda coming in, and what his relationship between very conservative, not necessarily violent organizations, and violence, there was an old argument that there are the gateway to violent militancy. -- you cannot apply
violence, but you can see how some of the could take that to the next level which is using violence to obtain those goals. one of ourtic and best allies in the middle east, saudi arabia, has been propagating this ideology were -- geopolitics comes in a way, boycotting saudi arabia is something that is hardly u.s. policy and something that is not feasible and not even that reasonable to be honest because of the major financial and military interests there. the war that the u.s. can have subzero. is that, there is somebody to putting pressure on both countries and particularly saudi. the fundingstopping
of this kind of activity overseas. host: if you want to learn more about extremism, sympathizers to isis, extremism in general, go gw's website, there is a report. gwu.edu. you can also, on twitter, follow the program at @gwpoe. thank you very much for the conversation. when we come back, we will return to where we began this morning and talk about what the president had to say last night in his third oval office address about the threat of terrorism. the papers say he is trying to calm a jittery nation. there were the phone numbers on your screen.
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democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. first call from david, a democrat. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think as a people, we would probably the helped emotionally if we had a different mental model for approaching terrorism. i think a more medically -- something derived more from a medical sense. terrorism is like psoriasis or arthritis, it is never overcome. there is no final solution. it in flames and then quiets. i lived in israel and i think israelis probably have a more mature attitude. there is no final solution to terrorism. it is going to come back, then we will treat it and blast it would chemotherapy and it will quiet. to think of it as something we can wipe out is setting us up for more here and failure. host: do you agree with what the
president said last night about putting more troops back into syria and iraq, going back in, that it drains resources and puts men and women in military in harm's way? i do, but as someone who lived in israel, i think israelis have a more realistic attitude and set themselves up for a lot less disappointment and hardware than we do. they go into lebanon, they come back, but it's never gone. think of it as a disease -- host: would you advocate then that the u.s. set up its boundaries like israel does, with that much security? caller: i would, absolutely i would. i think see something say something every time something happens, i think expert people who can secular look at people
as israel does. this is than going on for a long time in israel, they don't live in a degree of fear that we do, i think our attitudes are very immature. host: this is a story that just broke this morning. . the dhs says they will roll out a more sensitive terror risk alert system in the country the homeland security secretary said today his department would soon announce a new alert system to inform the public about the terror risk in the u.s. nationalsed a two tier advisory system since 2011, though it has never issued an alert since multiple attacks in the country since that time. has relied upon the need or an eminent or credible threat in order to be activated and johnson said this morning that the environment -- in this environment, we have to get beyond that and use intermediate levels. the remarks come less than a week after the deadliest attack
on u.s. soil since 9/11. richard, independent, virginia. caller: good morning. you are on the air. caller: i was disappointed in what the president said last night. there is no substitute for ground troops. we are dealing with a group of people, a good 30% of them would be running into the hills if we were to put substantial troops over there. they are a bunch of wackos running around on the back of pickup trucks in their pajamas making fools of us. the bombing is insufficient. we got the best equipped military and history of mankind, including body armor. within 90 days, it would be over, but we don't understand that for some reason. of the group is
doing it for only two or three reasons. they have clothes on the back, shoes on their feet and something to eat. they are not all crazy, we are not handling it right. host: edward in new jersey, republican, good morning. caller: i have a comment. i understand why the president is trying -- he did that -- he did the speech to call down a jittery nation. if he comes out and says this is what we are going to do to defeat isis, instead of just saying we will defeat them, i think people would be more at ease. because he is not doing that, people want to go and get guns and try to protect themselves. you can't tell america we will keep doing the same thing we are doing and it's not working. a few days before the attacks in
paris, he said isis was contained, then he says there is no credible threat and this happened in california. then he said it could be workplace violence, now he says it is terrorism. edward, you and other critics of what the president had to say said that he did not say anything new about his strategy. let's listen to the president in his own words. ourident obama: first, military will continue to hunt down terrorist plotters in any country where it is necessary. in iraq and syria, airstrikes are taking out their leaders. heavy weapons, oil tankers, infrastructure. attacks in paris, our closest allies including france, germany, and the united kingdom have ramped up their contributions to our campaign which will help us accelerate our effort to destroy isil. toond, we will continue
provide training and abutment to tens of thousands of iraqi and onian forces, fighting isil the ground so we take away their safe havens. areoth countries, we deploying special operations forces who can accelerate the offensive. we stepped up this effort since the attacks in paris and will continue to invest more in approaches that are working on the ground. third, we are working with friends and allies to stop isil 's operations, to disrupt plots, cut off their financing, and prevent them from regarding more. , we increasedcks intelligence sharing with our european allies. we're working with turkey to seal its border with syria. we are cooperating with muslim majority countries. and with muslim communities at home to counter the vicious ideology they promote online. fourth, with american leadership. with the international community, it has begun to establish a process and timeline
to pursue cease-fires and a political resolution to the syrian war. doing so will allow the syrian people in every country including our allies and countries like russia, to focus on the common goal in destroying isil. the president outlining his strategy against isis. critics saying he didn't say anything new and some say he needs to before congress would authorize a new resolution to defeat isis. back to the story that we just told you about this this morning about dhs putting out a new terror alert system or a new level to the existing system, one that is called an intermediate alert system. jehcurrent system from johnson is intended to do that it has a trigger that is a high bar which is why we've never used it. remarking that the government needs to do a better job of
informing the public about what we are seeing, removing the mystery about the global terrorist threat, and what we are doing about it. and what we are asking the public to do. so i'm hoping i will be able to announce this in full in the coming days. something where the homeland security department will be telling the public about at large, what the officials are seeing, even if what we are seeing could be self-evident to the public. david and crab orchard, west virginia. hello. caller: i have a question about president obama. he reflected the whole issue in control. -- back to gun control. and preventing people on a no-fly list from buying guns. the no-flyerstood on list. i guess obama doesn't want him to buy guns. would that be violating the constitutional rights of people
on the no-fly list? their names go on there without any court order or anything. like i said, ted kennedy. does that make sense? host: don in samson, virginia. caller: hello. i just want to say three things. one, i think it's sad and disgusting that anything president obama says and does is wrong. it is. racism and blatantly. a minutes to the second amendment of gun -- amendments to the second amendment do not include assault weapons. hello? it doesn't include assault weapons. i'm a veteran. is no justification for somebody to buy an ak-47. you don't go hunting with that. three, he is right in reference
to you cannot blame all muslims because three fourths of the world is muslim. these are psychos and extremists, people need to recognize what you're dealing with there. you cannot just bomb and ideology. it is a difficult situation, not as easy as people think it is. includedgeneral also in the hearings that troops on wantround, isil would that. that way they can justify their jihad. host: david is a republican, high. -- hi. caller: basically, the clip you played about president obama's plan. they are good plans except he's not doing it. of all of our bombings, 80% of the aircraft comes back with their payload because of they won't bomb because of rules of engagement. if there is one civilian there.
all these other things, we are not -- we would be able to do much more by supporting the kurds with weapons and other heavy weaponry that we are not doing. it is a lack of leadership. well, i servedas 27 years and worked with some of the best leaders. it is about time the president starts listening to military leadership. it seems to me we are sitting here at out on the sea with no rudder. this is pearl harbor day, how do you suppose that would've happened if president roosevelt would have said, well, we just had a hard time, midi we need to check our own attitude and -- maybe we need to check our own attitude. but we are at war. since 1979, when the iranians attacked and took over our embassy. host: look at what republican candidates for president had to say last night in reaction to
the president. obama trump tweeting out, refused to say, he cannot say it that we are at war with radical islamic terrorists. he tweeted that out for it and as tweeting until the early morning. of the bestted treated obama said that was those are sports heroes, what is he talking about? he also tweeted the presidents -- john kasich tweeted the strategy is not enough without taking the fight to isis on the ground. since february i've been calling for a coalition to do that. orina calls advantage obama, no strategy, leadership, and politics as usual. jeb bush stated this is the war of our time and it should not be business as usual. ted cruz, the senator from texas i will shutdown the broken immigration system that is letting jihadists into our country. dr. rand paul says we must arm our allies, the kurds, and
insist on arab boots on the ground for our allies in the region. take a look at what senator marco rubio of florida said when he was on fox right after the president's speech. senator rubio: nothing that happened in the speech tonight will assuage people's fears. we heard tonight that the same strategy that has brought us to this point is the strategy he is going to continue with. he believes there is a coalition fighting against isis. are is no such coalition. a lot of countries that have put their name on a piece of tape her, but the reality is we continue to conduct very limited air assaults and you cannot defeat them from an air perspective and we can talk about that in this interview. beyond that, he announced nothing new other than we need gun control even though it would of done nothing to prevent the attack. we need to prevent people from the no-fly list by these weapons even though there are people that work for dhs that are on the no-fly list. these individuals that conducted these attacks would not even printed from accessing their
weapons. on foxarco rubio reacting to the president's oval office address. david in willow spring, what did you think? caller: good morning. a couple of comments. somebody being on the no-fly list and being able to purchase a firearm. if they are erroneously on the no-fly list there should be some mechanism in place for them to be removed so they can access firearms. it is ridiculous, if somebody is suspected of terrorism, which was suspected of terrorism, senator kennedy. there has to be a mechanism to get around being on that list. when it comes to fighting isis, the biggest thing that people are going to understand, all of the coalition forces on this earth can go into iraq and syria and we can kill every single isis soldier.
what as long as there is to seven unfettered internet access , you cannot kill that ideology. there are people that do not have to travel abroad that have just, through the internet, been radicalized in this country. host: we were talking about that earlier. this morning on the program. we talked with george washington university's program director on extremism. if you missed that, you might want to go to our website and watch that. to your point, websites, hunt terror plots. the headline of the business and tech sector. coming under pressure to crack down and take down the passages, postings that are violent content and propaganda for terror groups. mark in atkinson, new hampshire. hello. caller: good morning, greta. i disagree wholeheartedly.
think of it this way. this country was started, there have always been wars. bankers make money. as long as there's something we can get from those other countries, we are going to stay there. why would we leave? there's oil. there's poppy fields. everything that we can take. we're not going to leave. say, pedro said it wrong when he said the federal reserve was on by the government. it is owned by eight of the wealthiest bankers. host: that is mark's opinion and new hampshire. can in florida, republican. caller: the federal reserve -- you have to turned on your tv. -- turn down your tv. caller: hey, how are you doing?
host: good morning, sir. caller: it is great to hear from you. listen. there is so much to say and so little time. we need boots on the ground. that is the bottom line. the president said everything that was wrong, we need boots on the ground. we're not going to defeat isis without -- you know what, the president said he had a 65 country coalition. 3-5000sn't he just get soldiers so each one of these coalitions, we just go down there and knock the hell out of these guys. this is complete nonsense. they just started to bomb the oil fields now after that. the president is way in over his head. i hate saying that. he is my president, he is our president. that is the policy of the united states. it is just so wrong.
host: you're calling from brooklyn. did you vote for president obama? caller: no i didn't. who, right now, do you trust on this issue? either from republicans or democrats. caller: i will be honest. we listening, are you still there? caller: i just, i didn't know if you are talking. know, i think we need the opposite of obama. that is a donald trump. someone who is crass, nasty, who doesn't give a crab about what he says. that's what we need. we are in so much trouble. and in the immigration don't just mean mexican
emigration, because that to me is the least of our problems. it is these reasons with people coming in, overstaying their visas. we are not betting these people properly -- vetting these people properly. jeh johnson should be impeached. host: this is what president obama talked about on this issue. president obama: congress should act to make sure no one on a no-fly list is able. what could possibly be the argument for allowing a terror suspect to buy a semi automatic weapon? this is a matter of national security. we also need to make it harder for people to buy powerful assault weapons, like the ones used in san bernardino. i know there are some who reject any gun safety measures, but the fact is that our intelligence and law enforcement agents, the matter how effective they are, can not identify every would-be mass shooter.
whether that individual is motivated by isil or some other hateful ideology. what we can do and must do is make it harder for them to kill. president obama from the white house last night in the oval office, his third presidential address to the country talking about the threat of terrorism on guns. the new york times reports that in an effort to limit gun sales in the u.s., mr. obama's staff is working on a proposal that would expand the definition of a high-volume gun dealer so more purchases would be subject to background checks. but aides say that proposal would face legal, practical, and political challenges. an announcement is said to be a month ago on that. welcome to the conversation. caller: thank you for taking my call. no troops on the ground, no bombing, no expensive trillion dollar war.
president said, let's get the peaceful muslim community involved. reward, $100,000 for a person, maybe $10,000 for a lead. have these people arrested by there on people and brought to justice. host: paula in riverside, california. a republican. caller: hi, good morning. this guy is delusional. i don't know. how come he got there in the first place/ ourants us to give up on firearms ? how many guns as he surrounded with? don't fightidiots to defend their country. back, they're going to kill from the youngest two
oldest. i am an immigrant. i am a political immigrant. host: where are you from? caller: i am from europe. host: you believe all syrians that want to come here want to kill? caller: no, i'm saying all muslims. host: why do you say that about all muslims? what evidence do you have? what makes you think they all feel that way? caller: look at the world and what's happening. everything is done by muslims. the president and others have said that the muslims part of isil make up a small percentage of the world billions of muslims. this from the wall street journal this morning, a bit more about why the president gave this address. the headline saying he wanted to call the nation but wall street journal says that in a sign of domestic disquiet, and his
address was part in time did -- intended to counter. wall street journal's nbc news poll 34% approved of his approach to syria compared to 54% disapproved. we showed you how republicans responded to how he had to say. the wall street journal said this about hillary clinton who is running for the democratic nomination that former secretary of state is trying to open daylight between herself and the president. she has voiced agreement with some of her would be republican rivals about airstrike in iraq and syria and an increase in special operations personnel. she also cited with many in the gop field of calling for a no-fly zone in syria. a coalition of arab nations trying to fight against this and a safe haven for the refugees bring the multi-sited war. on sunday she called for a more aggressive push to combat the islamist a online by curbing its ability to use social media for propaganda and recruitment. tony and fort lauderdale,
florida. independent. caller: good morning, how you doing. i was really unmoved by the president's speech. it seemed like he was phoning it in, checking boxes. he had been accused of not capturing the national sentiment or concerns. he just went on. three real points that came with me from that. the big one is it is not just him, it is all the people who are calling for gun control. they are calling for laws that they admit would never have stopped any of these incidents. but they want the law. they arest as though using the bodies of the people who have been murdered to push their own private agenda. the president in this. -- i include the president in this. the no-fly list is executive.
this administration has shown a propensity for just going off the rails. nobody ever thought he would grant amnesty to 5 million people if the courts didn't stop him. what is to stop him from putting 2 million americans on the no-fly list? he doesn't have a good track record. one more, please. and the authorization, he wants renewed authorization and an unlimited authorization now. why does he need something else? he can say, well they stopped me. host: oklahoma, democrat. steve, good morning. caller: you're doing a job. host: thank you. points, ihave a few wasn't going to get into gun control but i think the problem is the folks on the right care about the second amendment. i think most democrats do as well. they are just for sensible gun laws, the but he wants to pull everybody's guns. the people that think they are going to stash of a bunch of weapons to take on the federal
government is crazy. the bottom line is we don't want armor piercing bullets. 50 round clips. gun shows held down at the fairgrounds were people go and buy military weapons that are designed to kill people. that is not smart. we need to smarten up. there have been, this year, an average of about four to five mass shootings a week that had nothing to do with "muslims or terrorism". , that weed to wake up don't have a titan of control system. tight enough control system. kids die every year because of the dumb parents. the truth is, the republicans push the second limit stuff not because they care about the second amendment, they care about the profits that the manufacturers make. debate, this is
breaking from the associated press. the supreme court has rejected an appeal from gun owners who challenge the chicago suburbs ban on assault weapons. the justices monday refused to hear this case of a highland park illinois pediatrician who objected to the 2013 ban on semi automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. the federal appeals court in chicago upheld the law, ruling that local governments have leeway in deciding how to regulate firearms. in october, the federal appeals court in new york largely upheld laws and connecticut and new york. among a handful of states that ed semi automatic weapons. the supreme court has repeatedly refused to return -- after a handgun was you -- that from the associated press this morning. david and powder springs, georgia. democrat. hi there. first-time caller,
probably younger than a lot of the ones here. i want to make a comment on people calling for troops on the ground. i think they are overestimating the effectiveness. while i don't doubt the they are ultimately human beings and so are the people they would be interacting with. countries.slamic let's say you put troops on the ground to hunt a particular terrorists. think about the psychological effect on the citizens. seeing american troops gunning down someone that they have had emotional investment in for a long time. they probably view them very differently than we do. that is all i wanted to say. ,ost: thanks for the calling in we appreciate that first-time color. lersuple of colora ]
syrian refugees coming to the united states as part of the debate of what happened in paris. the republicans would like language inserted to the bill that needs to pass before friday's deadline for the government to shut down. they want language inserted that would put a pause on the refugee program. that passed in the house last month. with help from 47 democrats. they're pushing for that to be inserted in this language, that is happening on capitol hill as both chambers work toward resolving the budget issue before friday's deadline. the president did talk about how we view muslims. he also talked about isis and islam. president obama: we cannot turn against one another by leading this fight be defined as a war between america and islam. that is what groups like isil want. they do not speak for islam. they are thugs and killers.
part of a cult of death. they account for the tiny fraction of a more than a billion muslims around the world. millions of patriotic muslims reject the hateful ideology. moreover, the vast majority of terrorist victims around the world are muslim. if we are to succeed in defeating terrorists, we must enlist muslim communities as some of our strongest allies. rather than push them away through suspicion and hate. that does not mean denying the fact that next to must ideology has spread within some muslim communities. it is a real problem that muslims must confront without excuse. muslim leaders here and around the globe have to continue working with us to decisively and unequivocally reject the hateful ideology that groups like isil and al qaeda promote. to speak out against not just
acts of violence but those interpretations of islam that are incompatible with the values of the latest tolerance, which respect, and human dignity. host: the president last night on muslims and islam, by contrast, we want to show you what president george w. bush muslims afterut the september 11, two thousand one attacks to a joint session of congress. bush: i wantrge w. to speak to muslims around the world. we respect your faith. it is practiced freely by many millions of americans. by millions more in countries that america counts as friends. its teachings are good and peaceful. and those who commit evil in the name of allah blaspheme the name of allah. [applause]
president george w. bush: the terrorists are traitors to their own faith, attending to hijack islam itself. not oury of america is muslim friends, or are aired friends -- arab friends. our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and any government that supports them. [applause] president george w. bush in a joint address to congress on september 20, 2001. dana in kirkland, washington. what was your reaction? opposed, by totally the way, sorry, good morning greta and thank you for the work you do. to thetally opposed proffered solution that the president has about bombing, boots on the ground, authorization of military force and so on.
realistically, a large reason, not the total reason, but a large reason we are in this mess is because of the egregious actions done by the previous administration and by this administration to create a vacuum in iraq and syria that , isil, daesh, isil whatever you want to call them to fill in the gaps where there was no political form. those folks are not the enemies as the previous president said of the united states. what they are enemies of is a number -- as a number of callers have pointed out, as the sole of islam itself. this is the same thing christianity went through thousands of years ago during the reformation and its fight about so-called true christianity versus non-true. it is a religious fight within that faith for the soul of the faith. there are a whole lot of people
involved and personally, isis has no ability to invade the united states. occupyve no ability to the united states, and they have no ability to overthrow the government of the united states. i really question as to why we are even involved in this without getting a whole lot of other folks even more involved in trying to stop basically what is a gangster organization. host: do you think that should include russia? should the united states compromise with russia on bashar al-assad in power? caller: that is a complicated issue. on the one hand, for decades we promoted the assad family as the head of syria and when it became inconvenient for us to have them on our side, we became opposed. if people look back on the history of the united states support or nonsupport of syria,
it has been all of the map. ever been clean and international politics and we may have to compromise with russia and a variety of other countries to try and find the least objectionable solution to this. host: host: good morning, go ahead. caller: people don't know really what the goals of islam really are. the only way you will really find out -- it's rare you will find this person -- but somebody who was born and raised in one of the countries over there in the middle east as a muslim and then converted to christianity, they will tell you exactly what it is. you will not find those individuals because they are rare but i talked to a couple of them.