Skip to main content

tv   Key Capitol Hill Hearings  CSPAN  December 21, 2015 12:00pm-2:01pm EST

12:00 pm
the many women who elected us. across this country frustrated out of their minds because we keep winning elections as conservatives and then republican leaders keep advancing the agenda of barack obama. this is stunning, it's a trillion dollar deal, thousands of pages in the dark of night, it funds executive amnesty and all of planned parenthood. it does nothing to stop this catastrophic iranian nuclear deal. it does nothing to stop president obama bringing tens of thousands of syrian refugees, even the fbi tells us that they cannot that those refugees to determine if there are isis terrorists among them.
12:01 pm
there is a reason why many women across the country are feeling a volcanic frustration. if we keep winning elections, nothing changes. >> you want to change the republican leadership in congress? that's what republican leadership just data. funded and passed his agenda. it's why people are so frustrated. it's also why we are seeing so much in 20's and. people understand that republican leadership in congress won't turn the country around. they aren't listening to us.
12:02 pm
human way to turn this country around is with a strong, principled, proven conservative in the white house. that's why so many people are fed up with washington and unifying behind our campaign. you convince your party that in a general election you can convince america you can become president? senator cruz: human way to win a general election is to bring back to the polls the millions of conservatives the state home in 2008 and 2012. millions of evangelical christians state home. millions of reagan democrats stayed home. we need to be the party of hard-working men and women, blue-collar workers, hard-working men and women that want to believe again in the promise of america. we need to run against the bipartisan corruption of washington, d.c. that hillary clinton embodies. i tell you, if you look at our base, it consists of the reagan
12:03 pm
democrats. and women. men the ohio steelworkers, michigan auto workers, truck drivers, plumbers, the working men and , peopleops and firemen with calluses on their hands who have gotten hammered for seven years under the disastrous obama clinton economy. great many working men and women stayed home and part of why in 2008 in 2012 is because republicans had gotten in bed with democrats on issues like amnesty. amnesty is an issue that cuts right to the core of working men and women who want to have jobs and decent wages. right now, today, we have the lowest percentage of americans working since 1977. wages have stagnated to the same that they were 20 years ago. people are fed up and tired of seeing democrats and washington establishment republicans getting in bed together.
12:04 pm
acting as the water carriers for big business to allow more and more illegal immigration, more and more amnesty, driving down wages. cheap labor that washington thinks is great for business, but it's not great for the working men and women in this country. that's how we win the general election. >> criticizing donald trump for criticizing you. senator cruz: i love rush limbaugh. he's a powerful voice for conservative principles. as it concerns donald trump, he's a friend of mine. a lot of folks in the media want to see a cage match between me and donald trump. the washington establishment is desperate for that battle. i have no interest in giving them what they want. >> [inaudible] i don't understand how you could say that you never supported legalization.
12:05 pm
a lot of people out there think the you are playing the washington game of saying i was for it before i was against it. can you explain how you were never against immigration? never for immigration? i opposeruz: legalization. marco rubio supports the is a -- legalization. i led the fight to defeat the gang of eight b bill. marco offered him by the unsuccessful fight to pass the bill. 2010, whenack to senator rubio was running for senate in florida, he promised the men and women there that if you elect me, i will lead the fight against amnesty. that is what he told floridians. todd, texas you may remember that i promised the men and women there the same thing. that if you elect me i will lead the fight against amnesty.
12:06 pm
in 2013 there was as ronald reagan would have put it, a time for choosing. everyone had to choose the side of the line that they stood on. senator rubio made the unfortunate decision not to honor the promises of the men and women who elected him. instead he decided to stand with hillary clinton and the big interests in washington. leading the fight to pass amnesty. with steve king and the american people, against amnesty, defeating that bill. >> at the time you said that what you supported was something that would legalize -- senator cruz: that is factually incorrect. that statement is false. back in 2013 the rubio campaign believed that it would benefit them politically if they broke
12:07 pm
their promises to the florida voters and pushed amnesty. presumably because i thought the big-money donors and the republican party would reward them. namedas back when he was the savior on the cover of "time magazine." they are regretting that decision now. they want to run away from it. what the rubio campaign is laughingly pushing -- i introduced a whole series of the rubio to defeat schumer amnesty plan. one was an amendment that said canobody here illegally ever be eligible for citizenship. it was a one page, simple amendment. it simply said no citizenship ever. what the rubio campaign is spinning and reporters are thatting unquestionably is because i submitted that to get rid of citizenship it means i supported the other aspects of the gang of eight. that's nonsense. i would point out that
12:08 pm
supporting me in that fight for that citizenship amendment was mike lee and jeff sessions. who wasaware of anyone putting forth the ludicrous claim that jeff sessions was somehow supporting legalization. our positions were identical on this. fundamentally, it worked. remember back in 2013 how senator rubio and president obama were? they went on tv to say that they have the votes to push it through the senate. theblican leadership in house will take it up, we will pass it. a handful of us, and it was a lonely handful in the senate, led the fight against it. jeff sessions and i stood on the floor and were sailed from all directions. i spent 30 minutes on the radio with rush limbaugh. the question a minute ago was
12:09 pm
about rush limbaugh. the phones erected as people across the country lit up the phones and we turned the debate. the amendment on citizenship was simple, to use a poker analogy. yesterday i was in las vegas. we called their bluff. we call the bluff of the democrats and establishment republicans it were pushing it. this was always about partisan politics. the new politically correct term is not illegal aliens, it's undocumented democrats. this was about partisanship. my amendment said no citizenship laying naked the hypocrisy behind it. that's how we defeated. have seen the washington establishment panicking. they are panicking because conservatives are uniting behind our campaign and they know that if that continues happening, the primary is over. they are trying to muddy the water.
12:10 pm
they cannot back away from the longtime support for amnesty, so they are trying to suggest that everyone else does. you know, in the last 48 hour senator mike lee has come out publicly and said -- ted is telling the truth, marco is not telling the truth. senator jeff sessions has come out and said -- ted is telling the truth, marco is not telling the truth. rush limbaugh has said that ted is telling the truth, marco is not telling the truth. famously said that facts are stubborn things. i understand the political desire of other candidates to try to muddy the record. but the facts are simple. i oppose amnesty. i have always opposed amnesty and i always will oppose amnesty. i will note that the other candidates on that stage are not willing to say that because that has not, is not, and will not be there position. thank you.
12:11 pm
you tell us that for the last year? you only did it this week. ok. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] >> let me begin by asking, your comments about speaker paul ryan. in a divided government, you do not get everything you want. you disagree? sen. cruz: today's omnibus bill wasn't the trail. for too long, we keep electing republicans who end up voting to fund barack obama's agenda. this was a trillion dollar budget deal, negotiated and the dark of night, thousands of pages. it funds 100% of obamacare, 100 percent of amnesty, 100% of planned parenthood. it does nothing to stop this .catastrophic iranian nuclear deal. it does nothing to stop president obama bringing tens of
12:12 pm
even the fbi tells us that they cannot that those refugees to determine if there are isis terrorists among them. there is a reason why many women across the country are feeling a volcanic frustration. if we keep winning elections, nothing changes. >> you want to change the republican leadership in congress? sen. cruz: what is clear now, republican leadership is not going to come to congress. republican leadership in congress is incapable or unwilling to lead, which means we need a strong, principled conservative in the white house. if you sent we a trillion dollar budget sent with corporate welfare and pork, i will veto it. we need a president who leads,
12:13 pm
-- >> you can find all the coverage of ted cruz on her website. your leaving the last few minutes of this interview. + we take you live now to the potomac institute for a policy study look at escalating violence in jerusalem. scholars and diplomats will talk about what's needed to create stability and lasting peace in the middle east. ladies and gentlemen, we would like to start. would you kindly turn off your cell phone? good afternoon. my name is yonah alexander.
12:14 pm
i'm the director of the inter-university center for terrorism studies. it is administered by the potomac institute of policy. studies for the international center for terrorism studies. center of the withtute, in cooperation many academic institutions and universities around the world, specifically i would like to mention the center for national of the university of virginia school of law. of the ceo and , herman of the institute extends his welcome to you, but
12:15 pm
he unfortunately is out of the country as i understand. rate, the vice presidency is in the back. he is with us and, of course, general ray, who is the chairman of the board of regents. commandant of the marine corps. he joins us. as always, he will have the last word. theny rate, let me welcome speakers. right here, professor mohammed dajani. currently a fellow at the washington institute.
12:16 pm
he obviously contributed a great deal, i think, to understanding moderate islam. sciencesor of political in jerusalem. he will be making a presentation and, obviously, many of you are familiar with the very distinguished contribution and involvements of his family in jerusalem. have, obviously, the information about the speakers. i want to go into details. the speaker from the israeli , will alsowashington
12:17 pm
participate. well-known to the audience here. he participated in a number of and contributed to our report. and so forth. now, basically the mission, i , is to deal with the mission of the question of jerusalem. whether the escalating tension and environments in recent months, at least the last three months, can ignite a religious war in the middle east and beyond.
12:18 pm
and yet at the time of christmas that the world is celebrating, the question arises whether the spirit of the second city of jerusalem, a city that is with christianity and islam, would encourage building and so on.ions this and other issues will be included. discussions, for example, historical context in jerusalem, the political and legal aspect. issues areus related a run on religion, for example.
12:19 pm
i would like to invite the speakers to take over in a few minutes. i would like to thank c-span radio and television for this seminar being brought to the attention of a wider audience. in addition to that, we like to datesn the anniversary, .elated to violence we can diffuse the negative conflicts andse try to advance the cause of peace with justice. number
12:20 pm
let me mention two of them, specifically. one that is in fact related to today, december 21 in 1988, which is the 27th anniversary of 103 over lockerbie, scotland. 200 59 passengers were killed. most, of course, americans. 11 on the ground in lockerbie. many of you will remember that libya was responsible for that. the nigerian who attempted to
12:21 pm
destroy, to detonate plastic explosives on the northwest slide. over detroit. of course, he was connected with --qaeda in the arabian and arabian peninsula. clearly, we have to remember many of the other victims, particularly in recent to beirut, jerusalem, sinai, and so forth. now, one footnote for the
12:22 pm
moderator, i feel that i really am a jerusalem might. for 25 years i lived, studied, and worked in jerusalem. although my family came to palestine first in 1921, and again in the early 1930's, i grew up in the city of tel aviv, but i always considered myself a member of the population of jerusalem. level, i wasic involved in teaching at the university for some 25 years related to war and peace and terrorism. mentionould like to specifically in june of 1967 i andthe great privilege
12:23 pm
--or of opening the campus specifically because we have some lawyers about law school. i had a group of about 30 theents who came from united states and other countries. the first assignment i gave to the students was not to write a paper, but to clean up the that hadn't been used for about 19 years because of the separation of the old city from the new city or western city of jerusalem. scholars camee from all over the world to join us and participate in our academic work. including some of the leaders of israel.
12:24 pm
we had a clergy of christians, muslims, and others who participated in our work. so, again, academically we focused on jerusalem for a very long time. i would just like to mention one related to oury topic today. , butor publicity purposes atk in 1973 we had a project columbia university in the school of journalism about how religion could advance the cause of peace in the middle east. producing a book on the role of communications in the middle east. i'm mentioning this because there is no way that one can discuss the issue of jerusalem separate from the palestinian
12:25 pm
conflict or israeli conflict. or the conflict between israel and the muslim world and the international issue. so, let me just begin by that we arel of us familiar with jerusalem the same way that we are familiar with washington, moscow, and berlin. wein, just to remind us what are talking about, going back to the old testament and the new jerusalem, the professor will go into some at the churchhere of the holy sepulcher. about the sacred sites in jerusalem and the status of those sites.
12:26 pm
and of course, the wailing wall, the western wall, and the remnants of the temple. and then of course, the pilgrimage of pope francis in jerusalem. again, i think we have a big agenda. the question that i think we are going to discuss today, one of the factors that encourage violence and terrorism? trigger a third world war, as some people predict. diffuse some of the
12:27 pm
negative theological elements from a political conflict relating to israel, palestine, and so. conserve -- perhaps this can serve as a model for other conflicts around the world. >> thank you. good morning, everyone. it really is a pleasure for me to appear before the institute again. peace, that the key for if we want to avoid the continuation, the key is acceptance. it means acceptance of the other. i could speak here for a whole hour or a whole day regarding
12:28 pm
the connection between the jewish people and jerusalem. talk about the history of jerusalem. king david, 3000 years ago, the first and second temple, the fact that they pray three times a day, every day, going back to jerusalem to restore jerusalem. capital and a place in which the temple is restored, etc.. we have mentioned it in weddings. .art and parcel the other two, they have to be accepted. the other has to accept us. dother thing that we have to is instead of exploiting religion to radicalize, we have to exploit religion to moderate.
12:29 pm
that is a difficult task, especially today. unless we defeat the radicals, we won't be able to do it. sometimes i'm hearing in the last few months, in washington and other places and when it comes to isis, people say that ignorant. unfortunately, they are not. their methods are educated. the problem that we have is that they radicals are educated. unless we defeat them, it will be very difficult to promote the acceptance of the other into religion to promote moderation. one of the problems that we have in jerusalem, and i was raised that religion is being
12:30 pm
manipulated. in the last spark of violence that we are suffering from now, before that there was a campaign, a well organized campaign by the islamic movement in israel claiming that israel wants to change the status quo. >> it goes back to the beginning of the conflict. in 1929, for example, when terrible massacre hebron, in jerusalem, the whole community was erased from the map. killed.ere an initiative of jews in the war to put a men andon between women. this sparked a rumor that the going to take over the temple.
12:31 pm
what happened is that before known,t was well at thatg in the wealth time. in the library of congress or achive, that mentioned saidcation from 1923 that that shareef is the same ofation in which the temple built. was it's something that is well isis'in one of the organizations. historying to rewrite
12:32 pm
and disconnect the narrative of the jews and the connection to of holy land was part anti-nationalistic movement. there of what we palestinians the palestinians the how can we deal with rejections? a very difficult challenge because -- i follow it served in jordan. we were dealing on a day-to-day trying to settle this have.m that we the approach of israel has been very interesting. to jerusalem back in 1967, after all of this of and thousands
12:33 pm
of years of praying for came to thehen he temple, he sat on the floor. called for the priest and he them the keys for the temple. the idea of the leaders at that that in order for us to solve the conflict, what we have is to separate between religion and religious rights to show religious tolerance over.t take another very important event was when prime minster ravine signed a peace agreement with the jordanians. that was the first time that any the world recognized the hashimites. why israel did that?
12:34 pm
wanted to promote an idea that you can separate from national issues. we have a national conflict we have to solve it. if we draw religion into the we won't woe won't -- be able to solve it. we have to respect other religion and respect the role religious role of the legitimacy in the region. it was very
12:35 pm
we've seen some people in israel are trying to hold for the and then the temple haram. do iss israel trying to ization. radical president
12:36 pm
that. not going to do we believe that although, and although that place, which is most sacred us, has a connection respect atave to others. of would sayap it up, i findif we manage to
12:37 pm
partners that will not only join us but also will recognize our narrative, then we have a chance of negotiating peace. negotiated, even years.em in the last few suggestions on the table were very revolutionary and very ambitious. i think we can get to that point we hear from the other side of the leaders of the arab world willing tore recognize the historic connection of the jews to the land and to jerusalem. the religious connection and the connection. hear manage -- israeli from the other side, they'll be compromise one to
12:38 pm
the issue. that's more or less wraps it up thank you very much. have a schedule conflict here. me ask you some questions. somer one, provide clarity. in jordan in role.ular, very unique conflict, schedule of they couldn't make it. attended a ceremony in jordan and israel. to, the question is related of jerusalem.
12:39 pm
the idea of the internationa internationalization of jerusalem that was initially was petition in 1940 and on.r thendly, the status of sacred sites. in jerusalem but bethlehem and nazareth. this would be a great interest. >> we have to separate between national rights and religious rights. theave a conflict with palestinians. thehink that jerusalem is capital. this is something that we have palestinians. the there were different stages in negotiated such a
12:40 pm
solution. on the religious side, i think that we have to stick to the not goingthat we are mix religious rights with national rights. it's interesting in our area of world, in our democracy, we andt separate religion state. even though we don't separate it, we can when it comes to rights, we can do the separation. can help us getting solution. such solutions when it comes to sides, we religious are already almost there because sepcre is controlled by
12:41 pm
christian. religion, as to long as everybody has a right to religion, we can find a solution. can go with deeper into this issue. the claim, for example, that change therying to status quo and so forth. again, this actually does encourage, i think, more sanctions environments. me of going back to jerusalem. was in
12:42 pm
there was an australian christian -- this inflamed actually not only the people in jerusalem and the palestinians arabs but muslims all over the world. question is, what is basically the israeli policy to status quo in jerusalem and elsewhere? sawhen i was in jordan, i ont there's something going in jordanian press. conflicting the meetings. which members of israel was cannot jews come to pray? and
12:43 pm
it would be their natural right to jordanian opposition was that and that created a sort of series of attacks against the jordanian government, against the king. into the conspiracy the leader of the islamic leader, corporated with hamas. it didn't help how many times changesaid they will not the status quo. it doesn't matter if israeli the place.ces they jew that comes to
12:44 pm
temple now or or to the haram is being watch sod he doesn't open -- weigh weight watched so he dn pray.uth and it's delicate. the problem there's a lot of people around that are playing with this. because they want to -- [indiscernible]. our challenge is to cope with it. are now engaged with the jordanian government. get thisying to project of putting cameras on temple so people have a to look direct at what's going on. usually what needs to happen is the fact thatf linked with the islamic muslim used to go to the mosque. stay there for the night and then in the morning try to disrupt either jews that were coming as tourists or throw
12:45 pm
stones. jewish feast day plot. year, there was a series ofated a whole insightment and violence etcetera. challenge. as much as we have cooperation we wish jordanian and we have cooperation from the if we have leaders, that, we can take control of the situation. we don't, it will continue to be a problem for us. >> reuven, i asked a question, question from the audience. related to your in cairo. because many people are
12:46 pm
concerned that you cannot solve the problem of jerusalem without solving the palestinian-israeli conflict. with palestinian authority and so forth. are you optimistic or pessimistic that particular between thet only palestinian and israeli but the israelis with some of the other as sauditries such and others. resolve issuesan with jerusalem? ani'm optimistic because i'm optimistic person. in addition to that, i'm optimistic -- first of all, i the power of the jewish people and the state of prevail.
12:47 pm
i'm also optimistic i think that something very substantial is going on in the region now and the world. people understand what are the radical islam. alsoe in the region thesetand how they are in ideologies. few years ago, when we were annual research, i was wed of the research, identified that there was a phenomenon that is actually stabilizer within the stabilized region that we have. we call it --r of call it the grass of the neighbors always greener, we the grass of the neighbor is darker. for example, look what's going on in the region.
12:48 pm
when palestinian in west bank what's going on in gaza. they look at what's going on in syria. many people have a sense of how threatened they are by the forces. they understand what is realistic and what is not. they understand that first of all, for example they have a fight for equality. jordanians and egyptians understand that israel is a in thef stability region. doesn't generate love. but it generates a realistic sense that we have to work toether to fight extremism, fight the threat, to fight isis and fight all the other threats that we have in the region right now. in that sense, i think that we have a chance. are incorporated much more.
12:49 pm
the egyptians. we don't that if cooperate at the end of the day, isis and you name it, they will take over. we manage to incorporate that combine it with strong leadership and a peace process that includes acceptance, then i think we will be better off. ?> you have a question i'm aname is ron taylor senior fella with the george washington university center cyber homeland security. i do a lot in counterterrorism. the outside, the mideast
12:50 pm
unstable and stability, a timelity have dependence to them. whether you're stable for a long time,a short period of kind of a relative thing. what domy question is, you see as the future of -- i keyed off your comment about israel being a force for stability. see that in other countries in the reasonable. what do you see as the future state itself in that area? an exampleat also is of possible disgeneration of the nation state concept. >> right. i think that's a great question. trying a question i was to discuss with my researchers when i was in jerusalem. looking at the region. for many years, we were looking at the region. mubarak and hussein.
12:51 pm
to open everyday a new file for the new organizations and new people becoming active in the region. at some point, i told my team, start looking at countries. let's start looking at institutions. we charge the institutions in the region that you can count on to be influenced and when it to your question, what are the institutions that we can and bring forth? when you look at the egyptian army, for example, people are very prone or they don't like the egyptian army. when it comes to israel, it's very encouraging.
12:52 pm
there's this famous joke about it's not famous maybe it about when the muslim brotherhood had broken a cease-fire between israel and hamas. saying,ionalist were he's zionist. he's incorporating with israel. broke the cease-fire theeen israel and hamas, muslim brotherhood was saying he's a zion. bothtunately, they were wrong. this is the situation, these are the institutions we have, it's the egyptian army or the muslim brotherhood or any other force, any other takes power, we not to look if it's completely predicament because it kills everybody like assad or isis. we enforcesee how those institutions.
12:53 pm
in jordan you have a strong government and strong service. you have strong financial banking system. with those. let's enforce those that have to deliver. the same goes for the palestinian authority. of 20 yearsprocess in which we invested. not saying israelis invested. you have an investment of 20 years. great. how can we change that? how can we make the palestinian security apparatus deliver for palestinian?
12:54 pm
>> hi, thank you for your time here. be negotiated mutual recognition, palestinians their flagto raise in jerusalem and at one time, was a no by israelis. conceivable that the arab sector in jerusalem can become a palestinian capital as well? going to be up to the leaders at that time to determine. can be in a situation that is or another.way the flag is part of the solution. anything and you have to imagine everything if you want to reach a settlement. the question really is how to get there. we fought for many years. telling us, especially now that you have the have theng, you should advantage of promoting peace
12:55 pm
with the palestinians. thingsthe most difficult that they have, most difficult challenge that they face here in washington is to sort of give of israelis sight. worked on thati and did a remarkable work. to pass it to palestinian palestinian. see isis chopping heads get mobilized. imagine what happened to times like this when he see what's going on in the region. theyore conservative become. of course we don't want to be in now that we have give they are -- we give territory back and you have isis
12:56 pm
flag. we have to build bottom up in to secure the region by that willlayer there be prowestern and that will be be uncorruptd will and that will make future palestinian state thrive not said, notnger establish another arab state in our border. want that. >> hi. inchesem as you know, is -- [indiscernible]. many years, there were struggle between everybody now. we like to know at what point
12:57 pm
of israel feel secure that the conflict can end? you have some kind of vision what that security can be. years, 50 years, 100 years now? hear it. question -- there's about 3000 years, how many jewish people do we have in the world? >> today, estimation there are about 18 million jews. the jewish religion unlike christianity and islam, is not of getting more. being a jew was very difficult
12:58 pm
for many centuries, for reasons already know. by going back to a question, we will feel secure situation where we have no more rejection but acceptance. and that we have security. -- not only israeli right is not in favor of the palestinian. the question is whether we can is strong regime that enough that will maintain security in ways that we can from places in with we mutually agree palestinians that we will be the future of the palestinian state. five years and ten years. i don't know. on it.have to work
12:59 pm
>> thank you very much. mike kraft. my question is about jerusalem itself. first visited jerusalem as a young reporter before the 1967 war. pretty deadly city. i haven't been there since then fair amount of immigration, arab families and the malls and things of that sort. what's interesting, i understand two barriers put up between sides of jerusalem and the or less do you foresee things will go to normal very quickly if the violence ends? the future of jerusalem functioning as a city? >> well unfortunately, we had that.ence with we've seen waves of violence before and as much as the waves were higher, the security measures were also tighter. trying to do this
1:00 pm
time, what the government trying do is to keep normal life as much as they can. you one example. this is the movement from the palestinian workers to israel. are about 120,000 palestinians from the west bank to israel tong work everyday. number ofa very small them, one or two, have been involved in stabbings. the israeli government is getting a lot of pressure from to put a closure on the west bank. it comes to jerusalem itself, we have a fence and wall in jerusalem. we didn't want to do that. actually, the right wing in israel was against it. the center and left in israel were for it because they wanted to protect themselves from attacks. wanted to protect life, that we the main right
1:01 pm
have. whether we can redo that, i hope that we can. hope that if we not only see waning but violence we reach a settlement. remove those security measures and we've seen in the the situation was stabilizing. s. removed many restriction >> you have a question? more question. >> hi. do you see isis escalation around the world. do you foresee any change in the position? now or the israeli government positions? what?arding >> regarding peace and regarding security? think that prime minster
1:02 pm
netanyahu in his address to anhington, we have opportunity to cooperate with arab countries that are interested, like us. the radicals, the fightingadicals in attempts to change to sub verse regimes. we can create a dialogue, a dialogue that will be the bilateralism. i think there is hope for doing that. as i saidd that, before, we will have to overcome a lot of animosity and fear that is created exactly by this kind force. i don't have to go far away, what happened after several isis in this country. israelis have to overcome
1:03 pm
that. thisf the great traumas of nation is 9/11. israel has been in 9/11 for the last 67 years. the possibility to change the go from a situation which you become less converse is going to be an enormous challenge. we have to working together with neighbors to try to lower fear.barriers of >> i cannot resist but ask you a final question. we focus on the palestinian and states.the arab iran.u comment on everyone is looking the iranian but how is the link with the issue of jerusalem. words, iranian and
1:04 pm
nonarab state related to the solution of the jerusalem problem? >> the iranian revolution we call -- today iranian regime wants to thelenge not only legitimacy of israeli control of jerusalem but the legitimacy of saudis of mecca. to march a much larger conflict and the rival that you have there. the other problem is that the are much more powerful. it's very intimidating. what happens with countries that trying to possess illegal weapons. they have technology. forces in the region faceassadorking to
1:05 pm
and others. think that we proven in the past that we can overcome that. example, we did with the palestinians. were there in 1994 to try to foil that. promotete hamas, to suicide attacks of hamas. we're going to have all the time iranians trying to foil any peace that we broker between us and the arabs. we've seen subversion of iran and jordan for example. we have a challenge but it that we cannot thrive for peace. >> thank you very much for coming. have to [applause]
1:06 pm
>> thank you very much. to thank alexander for me.ting i like to explore the side of and how to resolve the problem. ly start by introducing my with the city and then talk a little bit about the and thenf the city ofcuss some potential way trying to resolve the problem on the city. third --the [indiscernible].
1:07 pm
was. jerusalem. appointed.was this is the picture for the in 1942. wedding.y father's the jordanian48, prime minster saved them and this family.
1:08 pm
that's why what i'm saying, the rule over jerusalem has been between the muslims the the jews. and the ancientlly from history. jerusalem has been the site of catastrophe. --istians believe that jesus muslims believe the journey of mohammed to jerusalem was
1:09 pm
carried by buraq. the solution to the conflict is to respect the narrative of the or toand not to deny it refute it. when it was time for prayer, he the church to bring but refuse fearing muslims will churches into mosque which prayed did later. he outside.
1:10 pm
[indiscernible] beentatus quo has jerusalem today.
1:11 pm
both are good things that --them
1:12 pm
in november the u.n. petition a decided to partition the city. basically it was divided and palestine was divided into another state. jewish state and jerusalem was .upposed to be nationalized ,owever, when the british left palestine, the general was asked did you leave palestine. the response was, i left the key the door. 85% of jerusalem was captured by forces.
1:13 pm
the city wasof no man's land in which the u.n. headquarters were established. u.n. responded. however, the city remained under the israeli and rule.ian in 1967, israel was reunited but divided.remained ically.log d is the crux -- this of the problem, people would give up should israel
1:14 pm
jerusalem or should concede anything in jerusalem. here intion lies international law because in capturedish forces west jerusalem and later decla declared capture of israel. 1967 israeli forces captured latererusalem and declared it the external capital israel. over riding the u.n. resolution the city. change listedember 1993 jerusalem as one of the issues a latergotiated as
1:15 pm
stage. israeli prime minster at the time promised that nothing will the activity of of itinians institution important mission. encouraged in jerusalem. that alsove an issue focus on jerusalem and granting palestinians and israelis equal status in jerusalem which the road map and the peace initiative.
1:16 pm
place and theial of the intoolution should take consideration this attachment of thishree religions to city. clashing, thewo palestinians as the capital of of palestine.ate basically, what i like to focus have the -- here we 350,000 palestinians who have residence in jerusalem.
1:17 pm
can move from jerusalem to the west bank or even from without any israel problem. cardsare israeli identity which gives them the right to move across the country. 145 palestinians residents live outside of the jerusalem separation wall and 195,000 live inside of it. however, here, we -- it is note that the clash theerusalem between palestinians and the israelis, way things are. to there a negative side
1:18 pm
israel.part in palestinian have a much better healthcare in jerusalem as residents of jerusalem than they in gazae west bank or from the take benefit system. changed.s have been languages. three arab., english and
1:19 pm
that makesy problem insecureans very because of this threat that any be critical.a can there's a big gap between what call jerusalem. although eastern jerusalem comprise 32% of the city's population. this percentage is the policing. city'sy 30% of the budget. thereceive less than 5% of municipal budget. on because a lot of pressure the municipality, that the
1:20 pm
moreipality is paying attention in jerusalem. you can see that in terms of ,ublic services like parks clinics and different facilities city. the charge ofpality is in the israeli schools where the students are being provided with facilities. actually the same palestinian are very bad condition. youngou're talking about kid who takes a knife and goes commits terrorism, it's also in education. they're receiving very bad education. there are no facilities. this is also part of the problem that we are having.
1:21 pm
labs,are no computers and -- we are having a lot of students.ith this is why students hate to go to school. we have to make them love to to school. rather than being in the streets. part of the also, demolition policy is ing their psychology. also where there's a lot of despair, there's a lot of political statement and andtration from social neglect. many muslims are exploiting the condition to intensity the tensions. also here we have the problem that is a lot of donations of
1:22 pm
and others to improve palestinians.the jerusalem, yes, the money disappeared with the leader of of theigious leader community. so the palestinians do not see if we want to seek solutions, we solutions for jerusalem. political reality today is that israel -- this is where the erupt lies. to should israel be able actually share jerusalem. what will they get if it does
1:23 pm
want to share. that's actually a problem part fromat israel may benefit jerusalem. know look at jerusalem, we that jerusalem was originally divided into two cities. is their own city which is four rminian.n, a more than 30% of the area has been added to the city. this is where if you look at twin city,we see city.s the holy
1:24 pm
was is the old city built.ded by a wall places.the city holy that's why this is the holy city. this is the old city. city and itse old immediate surrounding started we call jerusalem. jerusalem has been mentioned in different holy books. added.been in order to include areas and .hen exclude population there. old city when you decide on the future of
1:25 pm
to make thatu have distinction between the old city and the municipal city. city that has been enlarged. such issuesgree on of municipal services day-to-day holy places and on issues such as political sovereignty. is to haved solution special city, to have a relationship. west is the jewish jerusalem. city will be without
1:26 pm
restrictions. basically, of schools, child social services -- a look atf we have win-losether it's a situation the way it is now but it is ethically .ivided win-win it's a situation if we would share the city and then this way, to have the city open to the world, to pray.nd be recognizeduld by the international community.
1:27 pm
andould bring in security stability. thank you very much. my take on this. [applause] >> it really reflects the the issue and the thelem we have to look at interdisciplinary approach from historical and sociological and strategic and political and so on and so forth. let's oh let me ask you if i may, again to
1:28 pm
the back to the question of internationalization of jerusalem. to someo deal with that extent before. petitionll, the u.n. resolution that in 1947 actually recommended that the status of inusalem can be decided years.en whether the religions would turn into international city. tragically, that's the resolution and other resolutions the overcome by reality on the conflict.s of
1:29 pm
for example between israel and jordan between jordan controlled section of jerusalem. what i'm really trying to say, think youri presentation provides .pportunities and some sort of compromise compromisese are more possible than judgment. question to you in regards to internationalization of jerusalem, again, since now we the spirit of christmas, earth, what do you religious communities advance some sort of
1:30 pm
solution in jerusalem? when heple the pope visited several years ago and in africa for example and central african republic when he tried to bring together the muslims and the the messagehe had of peace of tolerance. very distinguished family. how do you think the religion can be advancing some of the proposals you have made?
1:31 pm
why i am focusing on two asked xp the religious aspect in the political aspect. -- people want to come and pray. place ande holy people might want to come to visit there. it actually could be international, muslim, christian, george, international, and special status. outside the city is where we can do this politically. authenticity is divided into an , and then there is
1:32 pm
western slum, the joy sector -- the jewish sector. -- he want to pick up will look at you and say, that is crazy, go over there. the areas with paris -- palestinians, the israel lease they do not feel secure. now, no one is going to the israeli section. fearing on both communities. basically what i am saying is we have to deal with that fear.
1:33 pm
one way is to have recognition of each other's's history and culture and attachment and authenticity and in this way, to share the city. i am not in favor of having jerusalem to be political capitals. i believe they can be religious capitals. jerusalem could be the religious capital. this way we will be able to disassociate. there is an explosive mix. if we can separate them, i am trying to do that, trying to separate the political from the religious by thinking in terms wholly,which is not
1:34 pm
which has been annexed in the last five decades, and when you to fightt jerusalem, politically between the two parties, the -- that he does, the two communities. but without barb wires and .ithout checkpoints this is my vision for the future. again,uestion [indiscernible] whoresponse to those jews claim that if, for example, you establish a regime in jerusalem, you exclude the jewish to theion, let's say
1:35 pm
wall and all that, and secondly, issue buthe muslim the christian issue, obviously, the christian, it is very significant for the christian world. in fact, the reality is, as we know in the church, there is a ,eparation between the catholic the ethiopian, the greek gods, and so on in terms of control of the church itself. what i am trying to advance, i think the idea of how religion can infuse some of the negative elements from the political
1:36 pm
conflict, and thereby try to solutions,olitical which would correspond to the reality on the ground as well. but that is exactly my point. what i am saying, is that we religious, muslim, christian, jewish, status quo, this includes all of these places. [indiscernible] included within what i am saying of an arab the world.utside i am separating between the holy places inside, which are the holy places for all religions,
1:37 pm
from the minute -- municipal area outside of it. muslims will not have the holy place for jews. element.tian here, people look at jerusalem as if it is a jewish muslim conflict. it is not. christians own more land and property in holy places in jerusalem than either muslims or jews. so basically that is why. we need to have a custodianship by thehe holy places are three religions and outside to be divided into political entities, which does not include the holy places. question and then we
1:38 pm
will open it up for dialogue with the audience. again, ion to you is, owe is try to look between the different religions. what is common between christianity and islam. this is the sanctity of human life. one life, it feels as if we saved the entire world. in other words, how can we detect the individuals and the communities and somehow reduce the elements of fear you were talking about. and i fully agree with you. mosque, of the wailing ball and so on. a question to you from religious point of view and approach.
1:39 pm
in other words, the message of the pope, for example. the unity ofish all of these sites? in other words, christianity, judaism, and declare we are not element.use that in other words, together, religious leaders of the different communities to unite of come with a declaration how we can protect the other sites, and that region you are from thebout palestinian israeli conflict, and so on and so forth. i think it can be a powerful message to the entire world. we can coexist with each other.
1:40 pm
this is the perfect of those created by god, whether they are muslims or christians or jews or six members of any other religion. not to leave the decision on the status of jerusalem, for example, only to the politicians and diplomats, but also for this beer to leaders of the different religions. religionsve the three -- i believe judaism, christianity, and islam are if -- are religions of peace and moderation and that actually, in asidely books, -- step from the propaganda and the media and things, where people say islam is a religion of
1:41 pm
aggression and it is this. 50,000 violent incidents have taken place in the united states. three incidents are done by muslims. islam is being branded a religion of violence because of that. let a separate between the and what leaders people do in the name of religion. religious leaders and the peace and theyor ofl not stand in the way having those cities be a custodianship of the three religions. outside toe politics the politicians with east
1:42 pm
jerusalem and west jerusalem . go and worshipn freely and openly. the concept becomes everyday and normal. we have to normalize what is not normal today. we have to normalize piece. people now do not think much of peace and moderation. we need to make people believe in that and once they do, you do not have to worry about that. thehave to worry about systems much more. we have to defuse the issue by making peace.
1:43 pm
i do not believe the present , which is deserving the status quo, could lead to peace. what you're so concerned about today, what i am so looking for is tomorrow. i can see tomorrow a vision of peace and i can see it where a muslim and christian and jew can walk to jerusalem in peace and harmony without having to fear the -- one another. those were radicalized and who are instilling peace, hate and fear. in order to take control of the people. because they are the minority. is why we need to have the majority to wake up and be more active, toe more prove themselves and stand up for peace.
1:44 pm
i believe we do not need the religious leaders to do that. wants peace and to live in peace. just given the opportunity. radicalism,hich is i believe we will move to a better future. i am often mistake. future where a muslim and a christian and issue will not have to worry about a knife or a bomb, but rather, they will live in peace, because we love this city and we love to see it more prosperous and see it be a place where even choose would like to come and pray. the mosques should be open for anybody who wants to come and pray there. poisoning the
1:45 pm
environment. once we remove those out of politics, we have a better future. >> a very worthy goal. religious leaders will pay attention to your message. we have a few minutes for a q and day. any questions or comments. >> run taelor with george washington university, a senior fellow there. professor asking for more of a concrete step to achieve exactly what you just described. getproposal was maybe to muslim,s leaders from
1:46 pm
judaism, christian, to make a statement of some kind. you seem to look forward into the future and say, i see that but i do not think it is necessary that the leaders make a statement. i think i will ask the question in a different way. because people are just ordinary, and we all need something to look at to give us an example of how to get to the future, could you imagine, how do we paint that picture for muslim, thethe christian, and the jew, walking into the old city in a way that they get the point? what picture do we need to paint today that they get the point that you want to convey about the future? messageed to send the that the three religions are not in clash with each other and as lay muslim -- as a muslim and
1:47 pm
the founder of -- i read my koran and do not find a clash with the others. on the contrary, i see verses which tell me in order to meet -- to be a good muslim, i have .o recognize the other judaism, christianity, whether ,he holy books or the profits and that i should cooperate with god wouldand that have made us all one measure or god would have wished he had made us one religion or speak one language or be one people. for that was not his desire. his desire is that we are different people. so that we can meet and cooperate and live in peace together.
1:48 pm
message rather than for some of them to or tonize against others want to burn the holy book of or to not want to collaborate with one another. in this way, islam is not a threat to the others. on the contrary, particular muslims are a threat to islam as well as to others. is why we should extend our hands together, the moderates, to defeat extremism within the three religions, not only in one religion or the other religion. in this way, i can see the ,uture where religious leaders as they passed that message to their followers, it will help
1:49 pm
for them to make a statement. statement isn the the work on the ground. and how we can collaborate with germany, in this have the're going to muslim and christian and jew, if they want to pray and exchange knowledge about the religion with the others. this is the spirit of the future, instead of having in a -- between thees religious communities, so that they could collaborate with each other and work with each other andunderstand each other
1:50 pm
respect the right of the other two believe and accept that and tolerate that. basically, that is the message. >> thank you for your excellent presentation. i was struck by your mention of the school situation. a nuts and bolts kind of question. we talk about lack of resources in jerusalem. some people have said is because they do not vote in meanness of pull elections. there has been talk in the past about a system paired what can you see in the way of practical improve the financial situation?
1:51 pm
push through it to get funding in oil-rich states. what are the prospects of improving the infrastructure situation in east jerusalem? i am not a believer in the economic situation litigating --rorism, but it seems to me >> i am sorry there is not. i am sorry there is not leadership on both sides, which would try to bring that he does communities together. unfortunately, so much money has , but it never arrived to its objectives. schools, to build a
1:52 pm
better environment in jerusalem. unfortunately, the channels through which the money has been donated never arrived. the train did not arrive to the station. believe now that islam is in control of the city and the minas appellee -- municipality collects taxes from residents of moreity, there should be pressure on the community to spend more on these facilities to improve them. thatf the arguments also the arab governments or our is to do not want to do fund schools under israeli municipality.
1:53 pm
so they always refused to do that. we have a bunch of students who go to extremely porous -- core facilities. you see that kid carrying a knife and thinking he wants to someone,ven and kill in part i blame the schools and the environment of these schools for something like that, for him to think that way. it is education. yes, he gets education at home but also, he gets a lot of that at school. we have to improve the educational environment and the quality of teachers because also, the teachers do not receive as much training and incentive as teachers on the other side. way to do it. at the same time, i believe we should encourage palestinians
1:54 pm
within jerusalem to prosper. theree unfortunately, have been efforts to clamp on the palestinian society. give them more like as long as east jerusalem is under the rule and -- jurisdiction, empowering society and giving them funding. also empowering people, ,mpowering activities palestinians on east jerusalem and israelis together. joint projects would be extremely useful for people who live together and try to coexist together.
1:55 pm
>> thank you very much. [applause] >> the great american. thoughtful, aery very difficult topic. thank both speakers and thank you all for being with us. that crossed my mind in listening to this and your cooperation and peace and everybody living most of the people around the world also want security and security and control and somebody who sees that and who follows the laws and all that kind of thing. there needs to be a governmental that followsach
1:56 pm
your ideas and guidance. that, we will be stymied a little bit. who is going to enforce your ideas? >> the people. >> i agree with that. but that is sort of a democratic type of thought process and all that kind of thing. and it took us a couple of hundred years before the declaration of independence to the idea straight. it will take a long time. thank you very much and have a happy holidays is an and a prosper as new year. prosperous new year -- a happy holiday season and a prosperous new year. [applause] [captioning performed by the
1:57 pm
national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] >> if you missed any of this conversation, you can find it online at these a look at the 2016 presidential arrays -- presidential race, lindsey graham has said he is suspending his presidential campaign. he was averaging .5% in the average of national polls and never scored higher than 2% in any major polls throughout the campaign, including in his home state in south carolina. here is his video message.
1:58 pm
mr. graham: i am suspending my campaign for president. i want to thank everyone who has supported me. i believe we have run a campaign you could be proud of. we put forth bold and practical solutions. problems, retiring our debt and fixing a broken immigration system. this has been a problem solvers campaign. my campaignece of has been securing our nation. i got into this race with a plan to win a war we cannot afford to lose and turn back the tide of isolationism rising in our party. made enormous progress in this effort. four months ago at the first debate, i said any candidate who did not understand we need more american troops on the ground in iraq and syria to defeat isil was not ready to be commander in chief. steppedtime, no one forward to join me. today, most of my fellow candidates have come to
1:59 pm
is neededthis is what to secure our homeland. i am more confident today that our party will object -- reject the obama doctrine of leading from behind and we will provide the strong leadership to restore our military and do what it takes to make the country safe and preserve our way of life. this is a generational struggle that demands a strategy and a will to win. i will continue to work every day to ensure our party and our nation takes on this fight. i am suspending my campaign but never my commitment to achieving security through strength for the american people are god bless our men and women and god bless america. today, we will hear from another republican presidential candidate, governor chris christie of new jersey, holding a townhall meeting in
2:00 pm
new hampshire. live coverage at 6:00 p.m. eastern time. >> c-span takes you on the road to the white house. townhall meetings, speeches, rallies, and meet and greets. comments -- taking your comments on twitter and facebook. [applause] >> jeb bush held a town hall meeting saturday and criticized donald trump for his lack of foreign policy knowledge and said trump would be a chaotic resident. the former governor also discuss mental health and gun violence prevention, veterans, immigration, border security, and helping people with drug addictions. new hampshire will hold the nation'first primary in february. >> i am right here and i am not leaving.


info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on