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into the internet age so that individuals can take part again. the wisdom of crowds is a buzz phrase that has come out of internet businesses in recent years. it is a real thing. it is an important reality in our lives. the reason why the united states rose to the leader over a century and a half, we make better decisions than any other nation. now we have begun to make stupid decisions. we invaded iraq because three quarters of us thought that saddam hussein was responsible for the world trade center. hello?we sold 7.5 million -- hello? we sold 7.5 million subprime mortgages to people who thought the risk was not present because even though they couldn't make a
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down payment or monthly payment, they were lumped together and sold into the global market. as soon as people look and see they have no value, we have 21 of subprimeion carbon assets. we are challenged to make the right decision where that is concerned. mark carney gave an amazing speech, which i commend to you, about the risk to the global economy inherent in stranded carbon assets. he called upon the u.k. business community to look at the -- to look at the fact they are overinvested in carbon and to look at the enormous opportunities inherent in decarbonizing.
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when we were floundering in the great depression, the global economy was lifted not by roosevelt that by the mobilization of the v fashion. the postwar economic boom was brought about because there was a shared conviction that we needed to do things differently. the entire world moved in the same direction and unlocked that amazing economic dynamism. we are a situation where the -- we are in a situation where the conventional tools for lifting it up, much less recovering if we have another downturn in the business cycle, which historians tell us happens from time to time they drop interest rates 4% to 5%. the traditional tools don't work. we need an inspiring collective mission to create hundreds of new jobs. we have such a mission. as a byproduct, we can save the future of human civilization. james: that sounds like a great place to end. thank you very much. [applause] mr. gore: thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the
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national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> we will bring you an interview with anne-marie bookhter on her "unfinished business, women, men, work, family." >> hello, everybody. ofjust introduced you as ceo a new america foundation, which is true, but i suspect many people know you for a different accomplishment, this little article that you wrote three years ago, which electrified the country, i think is no overstatement to say. the headline was "why women all." an't have it it was the cover story of the atlantic. overnight it became the most read story in the history of the magazine. within two weeks, you signed a
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contract to turn it into a book, which is out this week, "unfinished business: women men work family", congratulations. anne-marie: thank you. mary louise: can we assume in the three years between 2012 and now that you have figured it out, we can now have it all all the time and you are here to tell us how? anne-marie: read this book, your life will be transformed forever. i think the thing to start with is that i could not have written this book three years ago. i absolutely could not have written it because i did not believe what i now am arguing. it really was -- we overuse the idea of a journey, but it was a process of giving lots of speeches, listening to people who wrote to me, engaging with people, talking to my own family. i found out things about the way -- why my father had raised me in a very progressive way in virginia and the 1960's. it was because he'd represented
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women who had been abandoned by their husbands and did not have anything to live on. he vowed that his daughter would actually have -- be able to make a living. mary louise: support yourself. anne-marie: looking at my mother's work and her work as an artist and her work as a really nurturer of our family, and then talking to my own husband. one of the great paradoxes of this whole thing is i did go home to the state department to be with my children. after two years, when this article came out, i was in more demand than ever and actually, gone more, not gone as much as i had been in the state department, but definitely on the road -- it was a great irony. they would tease me. go out there and give a speech. mary louise: this is obviously a very personal journey. anne-marie: it is. mary louise: walk us back to that moment. you are in a high-powered job with the state department and you are commuting. your family is back in princeton, new jersey. you were here during the week. is there a particular moment where you went, this isn't
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working, something has to give? anne-marie: i would say for two years i had been in this constant tug-of-war where i left -- loved the work and this is what i wanted to do and i would get these phone calls and my son was being a teenager. a particularly acute case of teenage hood. i was saying, what am i doing here? why am i here? that was not new. what was really the moment was -- and i describe this, when secretary clinton's chief of staff asked, do you want to put your name in -- there are only a couple of jobs above mine and they were all good. at that moment, it was -- i could say, i could go up, maybe andy and the boys can come to washington, but i knew that was not going to work. that was the moment that i said no. two years later i did not the my
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-- did not put my name back in. that was equally a surprise, because at that point i decided that i wanted to be home. mary louise: here's my confession. in anticipation of interviewing you, today, your publisher kindly couriered the book to me at my hotel in new york where i was on a work trip this week and i tried to started on the train home but my youngest son's soccer -- was falling apart. then i was trying to read it in between meetings and interviews and my other son got injured and we had to get the pediatrician on the line. long story short, i ended up racing through the final chapter in the taxi in the back seat on the way over here. which prompts a number of questions. one of which is, are the people who would benefit from your book too frazzled to have time to read it? [laughter] anne-marie: that is such a great question. somebody wrote me and said you are clearly not a working mother because if you were, you would know no one can read 13,000 words. [laughter] anne-marie: i think that is definitely an issue. i think it is very readable.
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you can read it in chunks. the biggest change from that article and this book, this book is not just written for working women. indeed, this book says that as long as we keep thinking of this as a working women's issue, we are not going to fix it. we have been doing that for 20 years. [applause] anne-marie: so, i actually tried to change the frame. to widen it and to say, this is actually a care problem. it is a problem of workplaces not making room for care. that -- it is as if women went into the workforce, 60% of american women, over 70% of american mothers are in the workforce. the workforce still assumes that all of us, women and men, have somebody at home so that when the carpool does not work and there's an injury and my favorite as always, when your kid says, i have this project, it was assigned three weeks ago
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and it is due tomorrow, no, i do not have any of the materials. it's that kind of thing. this is really about making room for what is a fact for all of us. the second part of the book says, not just women, but men. unless we think of man as working fathers in the same way that we think of women as working mothers, where we are all both, we are not going to make the changes that we need to make. mary louise: you just use the term working fathers. not something you hear as much as working mother although i think you just used that as well. one of the things that you stress over and over in the book is that it matters how we talk about this stuff. it may be semantics, but that matters. yesterday. -- i got waylaid by the coffee yesterday. i was on stage doing different interviews and a man in the audience who noticed that i was
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going to be interviewing you about this today grabbed me and said, you know what i love that she does, she is just the term -- uses the term leads parents. that is so much more empowering than stay-at-home mom or stay-at-home dad. semantics, but it matters. anne-marie: i am old enough to remember when we went from this and mrs. to ms. i member everybody thought that this was terrible. i lived in the south and we have been saying ms. forever. a different meaning. people thought it was silly. it was not silly because miss and mrs. told everybody that what mattered most about a woman was her marital status. nobody could tell whether a man was married or not. similarly, absolutely the fact that we always say that we use -- we always say working mothers, what we say about that is we are still assuming that a mother's job is to be caring for her children, so if she is working, you need an adjective. we never say working father, when in fact if you described all of the men out there, all of the men in this audience who have children as working fathers you would be saying, his job is to raise those children and not just to provide an income. it is to raise them through care.
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the other one, i hate the idea, never ever say that a man is babysitting his children. let's kill that. this one i think is a little less intuitive. we have to banish the word he is "helping" at home. helping is not actually taking the burden off of you. you are still figuring out what needs to be done. and you are asking him to help. he is not the agent. he is the assistant. if we are going to get to where we need to go, men do have to be lead parents. or fully equal coparents. that means, and this was hard for me, andy said, i'm happy to do this or want to support you, i'm going to do this, but i'm doing it your way. i'm doing it my way. i don't care if you don't like how i fix up the kitchen. and i don't care if you think that i am disciplining the boys in a different way than you do. you want to do it your way, you come home. that is something i think a lot of us, as women, actually kind
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of secretly think we really do know better at home so we really do need to direct them. that is sexism just as much as the man in the office thinking he knows better and he is going to tell you. that is a big change. mary louise: in my house, we summarize this as the milk challenge. my husband says, i'm always happy to stop on the way home for work and we are out of milk. yes, but you will never notice we are out of milk, that is being the lead parent. anne-marie: would you let him though, let him decide what to shop for? mary louise: i think we would all end up drinking orange juice. [laughter] mary louise: i know people want to hear some of your advice for -- in your three years of pondering this what you have come up with. one of the strategies that you advocate is interval training. explain. anne-marie: we think about our careers. again, sort of 1950's.
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you get into the workforce, you go up as fast as you can, pretty much, and then at some point it is over and you make of it lateral and then down. i suggest, like athletes -- we think about interval training where for an athlete to bmp -- be in peak performance they go really hard and then they slow down. and then they go really hard again. actually, young people are going to have many, many different jobs. that change is already happening. and they don't have a plan for their careers to think about, all right, there is this time where i do not have kids and i am not taking care of my own parents, i can travel around the world and work those crazy jobs that do require you to be on all the time. and then there are these times these periods where in my case after i got tenure, i spent five years trends of kids. -- trying to have kids. i was still working, but work was not my primary focus. then i became a dean and i went really hard. then i slow down again. went into government. mary louise: offramp, on-ramp. anne-marie: part of it assumes
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that you keep your hand in. one of the great things about the on-demand economy at the high end is that you can still work on a project basis. doctors, coders, lawyers, engineers, there is way to do -- there are ways to do this on a project basis. it is more, not on ramp as it is ramping up and ramping down. and deciding -- we were talking before, you are saying that your kids are now at the same school. that is a wonderful thing. that gives you time to go harder or you can trade-off with your husband. your husband can be lead parent for a while and then you country -- can trade off. mary louise: your boss at the state department was hillary clinton, whose latest trove of e-mails came out yesterday. your name pops up a number of times. i want to ask you about one e-mail that has been made public from christmas, 2009.
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and you wrote, basically begging hillary clinton to take a day off. do you remember this? what prompted this? anne-marie: the e-mail says, please leave on the 21st so that those of us who are necessary to make christmas happen, and here i will say with all deference to my lead parent husband that for a long time he believed in santa claus because -- [laughter] anne-marie: stockings were filled by the tree with care. it magically happened, and he would say to me the first week in december, you seem really stressed. so, i was essentially saying to her, look, for those of us who make the holidays, christian, jewish, any other holiday -- if you leave, we will feel free to go home. if you stay until the 23rd or 24th, everybody is going to feel like they have to stay and i was basically saying, and my house
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-- in my house my children will not have much of a christmas. but i knew that she cared about that. that is the piece that does not come out. i was not writing just out of the blue, i knew hillary clinton cared, and i talked to her about having kids and juggling this when she hired me. cheryl mills had twins at home. she did. that is the other thing. you can't see in the e-mail, but she did actually leave on the 21st and i did go home. she was very, very sensitive. mary louise: no diplomacy was conducted for a few days. anne-marie: somehow we all survived. mary louise: what i think is so fascinating about that is that you are upfront and gracious in acknowledging in the book and in the article that you are writing from a privileged position, that for many, many people it is not about having it all, it is about having enough to just barely make ends meet. but, it is fascinating to be reminded that it could be hillary clinton, one of the most powerful people in the world with more staffers than you can come up with things to have been
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-- to have them doe and she is still struggling with the whole work-life balance. the way that we all do. anne-marie: if you worked for her, you knew that she cared. i give the anecdote in the book of jim steinberg who is to 80 secretary of state and there's this one week where he is just not making the early-morning meetings. his assistant is showing up and by day four, secretary clinton was a little bit irritated. she sort of says, with just a touch of asperity, where is jim? his assistant said that his wife is traveling this week so this is his week. he is on and taking his daughters to school and he will be back. of course her reaction was, why did you not tell me? he went up in her estimation at that moment. we knew that there was a ready willingness to accommodate to the extent that you could. mary louise: it's one thing if you are the number 2 guy in the -- at state or if you are the janitor trying to get the office ready or the secretary who is backing everybody up. one of your messages is leading
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from the top. anne-marie: this is also where i really do think that focusing on care changes the conversation. because, focusing on advancing women, and again, i want women in the top of every profession. but, when we think about it that way we start counting. because that is the way that you measure how well women are doing. we count how many women are in the fortune 500 and we count how many are in your management and -- in senior management and how many women computer sciences. all of that focuses pretty much on wealthy, white women, by and large. it does not focus on the millions of women at the bottom because one of the things that i realize is we have to few women -- have too few women at the top and too many women at the bottom. care, or lack of support for care plays a role at both ends. at the top and it means if you -- at the top end, it means if you take time out for care, your career goes off track. for the millions of women at the
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bottom, not supporting their care means that if they take a day off, they could lose a job. focusing on care says we have to put in place the policies that rich women can buy their way out of, often. we have to put in leave. paid family leave, maternity and paternity leave, and quality, affordable childcare. [applause] mary louise: i'm sure it is not lost on the audience that we are two women up here having this conversation. i want to close by another confession i guess, which is when i was asked to do this interview, i leapt at it. i knew i would want to read your book and was delighted to talk to you, but there was a tiny part of me thinking that we should give this to a man which speaks to your earlier point about having men in this conversation. how many book interviews have you done that have been with male journalists? anne-marie: i've done a couple. tom ashbrook.
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i've done a couple and i'm getting lots of responses from men. yesterday, i did a radio show where a lot of men called in and talked about how they are just as confident at home and they -- just as competent at home and they do not like the assumption that they are not. i do think that this conversation is ready to be broken open by men. and part of it is that men are missing out. one of the things my husband said, he read this article in "the atlantic," why i put wife's career first, and he says, it was hard on his career, it was better for his marriage, it was better for our son. it was better for him. that he has a relationship with them, that his father never had with him. that he feels he is grounded as the anchor of our family in a way that i think women -- that is part of what we get out of being mothers and also being professionals. so, why shouldn't men have equal ability to really enjoy what fatherhood is about or to be
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with your own parents as they are toward the end of their lives? it is not a burden, when it works. it is the greatest thing in the world. we just need to make it work for everybody. mary louise: an empowering message. anne-marie slaughter. thank you. anne-marie: thank you so much. >> on the next "washington journal," michael rubin discusses u.s. strategy against isis. eich discusses her story on the rising death rates for middle east white americans. shington journal" is live at 7:00 every morning on c-span. of featured programming this weekend on c-span. relationsight, a race town hall meeting with elected in areas and others
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expressing racial tensions with police. >> that's where it begins. they get the job and save go do this job -- say go do this job. i'm protecting the public. those are the ones who gave them their marching orders. that's us. we need to look at all of this when we talk about transparency. we need to look at that rules -- those rules they haven't started using to engage themselves with our community. >> sunday evening at 6:30, a discussion on media coverage of muslims and how american muslims can join the national conversations. and at 9:00, young people from across the united kingdom gather at the house of commons to discuss issues important to them. >> this issue is so much more than buses, trains, and expense. it is people feeling disillusioned. >> as a child, i could not wait to experience a bus or train. i look forward to it. -- i looked forward to it.
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when we grow up, we have seen trains with their smiling faces. we forget to notice the sw ishing and the honking. >> for the complete schedule, go to c-span.org. >> former president bill clinton first campaign -- bill clinton's first campaign trip for hillary will be in january. he is expected as a discuss -- expected to discuss how his wife will make a difference for families in the granite and across the country. statel -- in the granite and across the country. we will bring that to you monday. senator rand paul will discuss his plans to take the country back in 2016. that will be live on c-span2. >> author and journalist colin
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woodard, describing the history of regionalism and culture wars in america, talked about the myth of whether red states and blue states is true. this lasts about one hour and 15 minutes. >> it is my special honor to introduce our speaker who is an award-winning journalist and author of "american nations, a history of the 11 rival regional cultures of america go -- america." a book that has been described as a history of north america, and explodes the red state blue state myth. he is also the state and national affairs writer at the "portland press herald" and
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"maine sunday telegram." we all look forward to learning more about the 11 rival regions in the country which will no doubt lead to later understanding of the current presidential campaign. please join me in welcoming colin woodard. [applause] mr. woodard: thank you all. thank you, iowa state for having me, and thank all of you for coming. especially as we are entering campaign season. this book is about north american regionalism, and of the vital importance in place in -- it plays in understanding our history, our national identity, and our current political cleavages, which are geographic even as they are ideological. there are red states and blue
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states, and never the twain shall meet, that there was a civil war in the place called the south, we know that presidential candidates are supposed to say one set of things to their party faithful when they arrive in new hampshire, and then two weeks later, they completely different -- say completely different things to the faithful of the same party when they get to south carolina. even in this tea party era, states like vermont and mississippi might as well be on separate planets in terms of the ideas of proper role of government, the relationship between church and state, even the meaning of important and key terms in the american lexicon as "freedom" or "liberty," or indeed the definition of american values and identity. the point is, we are no more united as a culture, ordination, -- or nation, than europe is. our component cultures are more diverse and share fewer values than any two eu member states today. but we cannot talk about these critical differences in any meaningful way, because we do not have the right map.
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what do we mean by regions? we hear "regionalism" all the time. regional polls, marketing, whether people like krispy kreme or dunkin' donuts by region. we hear about regions, but it is always fed through a lens of a set of regions defined using state boundaries, and sorted in that classic federal government way, the northeast, the midwest and the south, and the west. but by doing this, particularly by following state lines, you end up distorting and deleting -- diluting the truth. -- the truer role that these regional cultures play. this approach misses the true regional fissures. these are historically based, consistent through the centuries, and rarely respects
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international boundaries. again, we all know this. we know state boundaries don't make any sense. is anyone here from maryland? anyone from maryland, they all know there are three marylands. three texases. austin is the state capital of texas, but houston, san antonio, and dallas are three different texases. there is the west coast, that coastal strip that shares a great deal in common with states and with provinces, but is at odds with the interior of their own states. there is upstate in downstate -- there is upstate and downstate illinois. there's the great quote from the democratic strategist james carville, the ragin' cajun. early he was taking a neophyte around pennsylvania, and was trying to tell him the realities of running for statewide office. he said here is what you have to understand. there is philadelphia, pittsburgh, and alabama in between.
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[laughter] colin: if he was talking about the uplands of northern alabama, he was on pretty sound ehtno-historical ground. people in missouri cannot even agree on how to pronounce the state. clearly state boundaries don't catch something. yet, in times of uncertainty and discord, many americans seek solace in the works of the founding fathers, hoping that if we can return to their ideal, if we understood and followed their original intent, we could find our misplaced sense of common purpose, restore our civic strength, and bring the union back to unity. time and again this is frustrated by the simple, very obvious fact, that the men who came together to confront a common enemy in the 1770's, and to build a more enduring 1789 weren 1787 and

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