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for law and justice, american commitment, american conservative union, american principles project, americans for prosperity, americans for tax reform, americans united for life, conservative women for america, focus on the family, heritage action for america. independent women's voice. liberty council action. march for life. national center for policy analysis. national institute of family an life advocates. national taxpayers union. population research institute. priests for life. students for life, students -- susan b. anthony, the justice foundation, tradition family property incorporated, traditional values coalition. mr. speaker, the majority of the american people oppose the law in place. as i close, the remarks that we make today,s the time to try to set the record straight. we heard from our friends on the other side what the congressional budget office says, i'll tell you what the congressional budget office says about job, and it says that this job will decrease the equivalent
of over two million jobs in this nation, over two million jobs in this nation, lost because of this law. our friends talk about the c.b.o. saying that the 22 million, c.b.o. says 22 million individuals are going to lose their insurance. that's because c.b.o. scores things in a way that doesn't recognize the other action that will occur, which is why we have in this bill a transition period to phase into patient centered health care. againing health care where patients and families and doctors are making decisions, not washington, d.c. . we have a government of, by, and for the people. we take that responsibility seriously. when the president is standing in the way of the desires and wishes of the american people as it relates to something as personal as health care is stand up for the american people, and that's precisely what we are doing today. as relates to women's health care law our bill would increase
spending, increase spending on women's health care across this great land and allow greater opportunity for access to community health centers by women to receive the kind of health care that they need. our friends on the other side talk about premiums going up only a little bit more than they had been in the past. mr. speaker, what that ignores is that the president of the united states promised, promised the american people that premiums would go down on average touchdown,500 for an average of four. what they have gone up by nearly $3,000 for a family of four. mr. speaker, that's not comparing it to anything else, that's comparing it to what the president promised the american people. and the american people expect their representatives and the president to keep their promises. deductibles have gone up incredibly. our friends on the other side don't talk about that because what this means is that folks have health coverage out there, but they don't have health care. if you are a family of four, individual out there making,
$40,000, $50,000, $60,000 a year and your deductible is $10,000 a year or $12,000 a year, which is not unusual given this law, mr. speaker, you may have health coverage but you don't have any health care. as a formerly practicing physician i can till i hear from my colleagues all the time about folks across this land who are making decisions, financial decisions because of this law, denying themselves and their family the ability to care for themselves and their family because of this law. the fact of the matter, mr. speaker, is we believe that the principles of health care that we all hold dear ought to be adhered to. we believe in's system that ought to be accessible for folks. everybody, we believe in a system that ought to be affordable for everybody, that's of the highest quality. and that expands choices for the american people. the american people ought to be the ones deciding who is taking care of them. the fact of the matter is this law violates every one of those
principles. accessibility is going down across this great land. affordability is going down. costs are going up. quality is decreasing. all you have to do is talk to the men and women who are charged with caring for the american people. and choices have been destroyed in our health care system. so the principles that the american people hold dear regardless of their political stripe have been violated by this law. that's why we are standing here today, standing up and representing the american people, standing up on behalf of the american people and demonstrating once again that the only thing that stands in the way of what the american people want and what is occurring right now is the president of the united states refuses, refuses to follow the will of the people. i urge a vote in favor of this veto override and we can get on, then, with the hard work of making certain that we move in the direction of patient-centered health care where patients and families and doctors are making medical
decisions and not washington, d.c. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yield back. the gentleman moves the previous question. without objection, the previous question is ordered. the question is, will the house on reconsideration pass the bill . the objections of the president to the contrary notwithstanding. under the constitution, the vote must be by yeas and nays. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, further proceedings will be postponed. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, proceedings will resume on questions previously postponed. votes will be taken in the following order. ordering the previous question on house resolution 594 and adopting house resolution 594, if ordered. the first electronic vote will be conducted as a 15-minute vote. remaining electronic votes will be conducted as five-minute votes. the unfinished business is the vote on ordering the previous question on house resolution 594 on which the yeas and nays are ordered. the clerk will report the title
of the resolution. the clerk: house calendar number 87, house resolution 594, resolution providing for consideration of the bill h.r. 3700, to provide housing opportunities in the united states through modernization of various housing programs, and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on ordering the previous question. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
the question is on adoption of the resolution. those in favor say aye. those opposed say no. the ayes have it. the resolution is adopted. mr. hastings: mr. speaker, i ask for a recorded vote. the speaker pro tempore: a recorded vote is requested. those favoring a recorded vote will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their vote by electronic device. this is a five-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to evise and extend their remarks and submit extraneous material on the bill, h.r. 3700. to provide housing opportunities in the united states through mornedization of various housing programs, and for other purposes. mr. speaker, the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: members will take their conversations .ff the floor without objection, mr. hensarling -- pursuant to 594 and rule 18, the chair declares
the house in the committee of the whole house on the state of the union for the consideration of h.r. 3700. the chair appoints the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. costello, to preside over the committee of the whole. the chair: the house is in the committee of the whole house on the state of the union for consideration of h.r. 3700, which the clerk will report by title. the clerk: a bill to provide housing opportunities in the united states through modernization of various housing programs, and for other purposes. the chair: pursuant to the rule, the bill is considered as read the first time. the gentleman from texas, mr. hensarling, and the gentlewoman from california, ms. waters, each will control 30 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from texas. mr. hensarling: mr. chairman, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the chair: the gentleman virginia tech. mr. hensarling: mr. chairman, today i rise in strong support of h.r. 3700, the housing opportunity through
modernization act. offered by my friend, chairman luetkemeyer of movement. i want to thank him for his leadership on this bill that he has worked on for many, many months. it represents a true bipartisan approach to housing reform. i also want to thank his fellow missourian, the ranking member of the housing subcommittee, again another gentleman from missouri, mr. cleaver, for his input into this legislation. and for his leadership on his side of the aisle as well. h.r. 3700 passed the financial services committee with broad bipartisan support back in december. and again it is designed to help promote greater efficiency in our existing housing assistance programs and in many different ways, mr. chairman, it modernizing a lot of outdated rules and regulations, which in some cases have not even been
updated in a generation. so in that respect it takes the resources that we have and targets it to those who need it the most. you will find provisions here dealing with sectionle rental assistance, public housing, rural housing, homeless assistance, f.h.a. mortgage insurance for condominiums. it is a very broadbill. again it enjoys bipartisan support. let me talk a little bit what h.r. 3700 doesn't do, what it's not. few have been more critical about the poor focus of our h.u.d. programs than i have been. because regardless of whether they are good -- their good intentions may be, the undenial truth is current federal housing policy remains fractured t. remains costly, it remains inefficient, and oftentimes does not help the truly needed. in 2012, the g.a.o. found that 20 different federal government entities administered over 160
different programs, tax expenditures, and other tools that support homeownership and rental housing. the department of h.u.d. has received approximately more than $1.6 trillion in real dollars since it was born 50 years ago and today spends over $45 billion annually on at least 85 active programs. many of which have not been modernized or updated in a generation. the results of all this, well all too often housing affordability remains a very real challenge for many americans. too many neighborhoods still suffer from blight and negligent with substandard housing housing options for low-income families. most tellingly the national poverty rate has remained essentially unchanged in the 50 years since h.u.d. was first created. mr. speaker, we can do better. now, we all know that the best housing program is a job, a career path.
one with a future. we know that the best housing program is economic opportunity for all. boundless economic opportunity for all. but there is still some that need assistance. so that's not what that debate is about today. today the debate is about what can we do on a bipartisan basis, where can we come to agreement on current existing programs to try to make them work better for the poor and for our low-income people who need assistance through the h.u.d. program? what is it we can do to help move more people out of poverty, the lives of self-sufficiency? how do rewe form h.u.d.'s complex bureaucratic web of programs? how do we spread economic opportunity to all? those should be what our goals are. h.r. 3700 addresses the question and finding many ways within h.u.d.'s bureaucracy to streamline the inspection protocol for rental assistance units. to simplify tenant income
reviews so housing officials can focus on housing not data lection. and target assistance again to households with the greatest need. for the first time, h.r. 3700 will state that any occupant of a public housing unit that exceeds the area median income for two consecutive years either gives up their government subsidy or moves out of the unit. that provides more resources for those who deserve it. h.r. 3700 also addresses the problem of overincome occupants. it creates for the first time a financial asset test for public housing residents. currently there is only a one-time income test. again these are just two ways, mr. chairman, that we ensure that the resources that are devoted to these housing programs will targeted to those who are most in need. i could go on and on about the benefits of the bill, but let me just say with any great project there are those who are always saying we could do more. yes, we could do more.
we are working fatser to implement even more reforms. but today represents a start of a process not the end of a process. a very ambitious project to transform how we deliver government housing assistance in america and help people graduate from federal assistance to lives of self-sufficiency and financial independence. again, i congratulate the gentleman from missouri, chairman of our housing insurance subcommittee, for his great leadership. i commend the ranking member of that committee as well for working on a bipartisan basis. i hope all members will support h.r. 3700 as a bipartisan first step in fixing a broken housing system that we have. i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the the gentlewoman from california is recognized -- the chair: the gentleman reserves. the gentlewoman from california is recognized. ms. waters: i unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. we are here today to discuss
h.r. 3700, i would like to start by saying how pleased i am that we are focusing on housing. this is the first major housing bill that the financial services committee has considered in the past several congresses, and i hope we can spend a lot more time focusing on the housing needs of low-income families in america as we move forward. today only one in four households in this country who are eligible to receive housing assistance actually receive it. and there's a severe deficit of overseven million rental units that are both affordable and available to extremely low-income americans. furthermore, according to h.u.d. most recent point in time count there are nearly 600,000 americans who are homeless in this country. a staggering number i find simply unconscionable. these statistics demonstrate that we must come together to make reforms to federal housing
programs, but also to commit new resources to tackle the extreme lack of affordable housing in this country. i spend a lot of time visiting and talking with housing and homeless service providers. recently, i visited the downtown women's center in los angeles and end street village here in d.c. these homeless service providers are helping women and families get off the streets and into safe, decent, affordable, and supportive housing. . organizations such as these are not only applying compassion, they're applying evidence-based approaches to addressing homelessness in the most effective ways. h.r. 3700 is a step in the right direction because it directly responds to concerns that i've heard over and over again from these housing and homeless service providers about how federal housing programs can better support their efforts. this bill would make several
incremental changes across a number of federal housing programs that will allow us to better serve low-income families in need of housing assistance while also releaving certain administrative burdens. these changes -- reliefing certain administrative -- releaving certain administrative burdens. this would help h.u.d.'s homelessness programs, among others. many of the provisions are commonsense reforms that are long overdue. for example, this bill includes the text of my bill, the project-based voucher improvement act of 2015, which would increase flexibility for public housing authorities to develop new units of housing to serve vulnerable populations, including those who are homeless in this country, and it would also help to create housing opportunities in areas where vouchers are difficult to use. several national and local
tenant advocacy organizations and affordable housing industry groups have expressed support for my bill. in addition, a number of other provisions in had h.r. 3700 were included in previous section 8 reform bills that i've introduced, and i'm pleased that my republican colleagues have expressed their support for these provisions that i long advocated. at the markup of this bill, i raised a serious concern that i had with one of the provisions in h.r. 3700 because it would effectively raise rent for low-income families with children who are living in certain h.u.d.-assisted housing. and i voted against the bill in committee, although i voted against the bill in committee at the markup for this reason, i'm very pleased to say i worked and my staff has worked with my republican colleagues so that we could find some common ground and they have indicated that they will support my amendment that i've offered to address this issue.
i'm encouraged that my republican colleagues shared my concerns and that we're able to meet a meaningful compromise on this issue. that is why i am now urging my colleagues to vote yes on h.r. 3700. it is high time we came together to pass a bipartisan housing bill. thank you and i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlewoman reserves. the gentleman from texas is recognized. mr. hensarling: mr. chairman, now i'm very, very pleased to yield four minutes to the chairman of the housing and insurance subcommittee of our committee, mr. luke meyer, who happens -- mr. luetkemeyer, who happens to be the author of the bill. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. chairman. i'd also like to thank chairman hensarling and ranking member waters. especially good friend from missouri, ranking member cleaver. we've had a labor of love with this bill and it took two guys
from the show me state to do it. i'm excited about it. i want to give a special shoutout to him. when i took the gavel in this committee i told my colleagues i want to work across party lines to make meaningful changes that benefit all americans. h.r. 3700 represents a major step forward. one to reform a system is in many instances outdated, duplicative and burdensome. as a body we should be committed to creating a more efficient government and greater opportunity for the american people and american businesses. h.r. 3700 meets -- helps us meet those commitments. this legislation promotes greater efficiency in housing, assistance programs and modernizes outdated rules and regulations which in some cases have not been updated in more than a generation. h.r. 3700 streamlines the inspection protocol for rental assistance units. it simplifies the income policies for assisted households. it clarifies homeless assistance program
requirements, delegates rural ousing loan approval and public housing and capital funds. it gives state and local housing agencies and owners in meeting key program objectives such as reducing homelessness, improving access to higher opportunity neighborhoods and addressing repair needs in public housing. the bill also for the first time in over 80 years of public housing policy provides a thoughtful -- importantly, this legislation also pays special attention to our homeless veterans and children aging out of foster care. two vulnerable communities that need our support today. h.r. 3700 does all this and still manages to save the taxpayers money. c.b.o. estimates that the underlying bill saves $311 million over five years. i'll be the first to point out that 3700 won't necessarily
change the world. it won't overhaul h.u.d. or the rural housing service, end homelessness overnight or meet the overwhelming need for affordable housing, but it is a significant step and a long journey towards reforming a broken system. a majority of the provisions in this bill were agreed to years ago by members of congress, housing advocates and industry groups. h.r. 3700 is a set of solutions on which all parties in congress, industry and advocacy have agreed and can agree. mr. chairman, this legislation represents a bipartisan effort that's been drafted and debated for the past six months. i want to thank, again, chairman hensarling, for his support, ranking member waters for her work on this bill which passed out in committee by a vote of 44-10 and ranking member mr. cleaver from missouri without his tireless efforts this bill wouldn't be accomplished. housing policy isn't easy. it's emotional. it touches lives. it sets the stage for future
generations and because it's so important it's not always easy to find policy on which we can all agree. with h.r. 3700 we have the opportunity to show the nation we are committed toward working together and with a diverse group of stakeholders for the american people. i urge my colleagues to support this legislation and urge the senate to consider without delay so we can break up the status quo that benefits too few at the cost of too many. i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back. the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from california is recognized. -- the gentlewoman from california is recognized. ms. waters: i yield to the lead democratic sponsor of this bill, a member of the financial services committee and the ranking member of the subcommittee on housing and insurance, mr. cleaver. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. cleaver: thank you, mr. speaker. i came to congress and because only own experiences, i had one ambition other than
being a member of congress and it was to take leadership in the committee on housing and speerntially se i think i had experiences that might help and secondly, having served as mayor, we dealt a lot with housing in missouri's largest city and i had this pportunity and i want to thank ms. waters for the opportunity to lead -- be the lead democrat on the housing subcommittee. i think it was fortunate, maybe even for tuesdayties, that two missourians ended up working together -- fortuitous, that two missourians ended up working together and doing some things that probably might not have been done otherwise because i think of -- we both
had a spirit of working together and it ended up in a good product. but that wouldn't have taken place without the chairman and the ranking member. i lived on 404-b bailey, public housing in wichita falls, texas. i went down on christmas eve and i just parked there and for a long time and looked at the kids running around playing and thinking, i used to do that on that same little piece of dirt at we called it a yard and i wondered about the kids who were in that unit. will they eventually have the opportunities that i was blessed to have or would they suffer the fate of many others with whom i grew up? and i thought in part we might be able to do some things here that will help the little boy i saw running around playing in
front of the unit i once lived in with my mother, father and three sisters. and i think we have done this. this is probably the most sweeping changes in h.u.d. regulations in a quarter of a century and perhaps ever and what we've done, we've remodeled or refashioned or recast or redesigned many of the programs impacting h.u.d. i do not disagree with the chairman, with chairman hensarling that we do have a great deal of redundancy in programs that we run with h.u.d. and usda and i do think at some point there's a need for us to get things molded a little bit better but that's not going to take place, i don't think, anytime soon. d i support this h.r. 3700
because i had the opportunity to understand what these changes mean, and i also need to say before i go any further that, you know, i don't believe that compromise means capitulation. in fact, i don't think democracy can work without comity and compromise. separateable e in parts of democracy. there are some parts of this bill that i'm not thrilled with but that's what happens in a democracy and i, again, cherish the opportunity to work with people who were willing to move and shake and move and shake and shake and move to get something to the floor. the bill will streamline the inspection and income review process for families living in section 8 units and we're making in this legislation some
very badly needed changes to the project-based voucher program by allowing public housing authority, p.h.a., to project base up to 20% of its authorized voucher allocation rather than 20% of the voucher funding that we give. and then we give p.h.a.'s more flexibility with their funds by allowing them to transfer up to 20% of their capital funds to the operating fund. mr. speaker, what in allows is for people who are on the ground -- what it allows is for people who are on the ground, understanding where they need to have funds, the opportunity to move those funds around without violating any of the h.u.d. regulations. it helps our foster children by expanding eligibility for the family unification program from the current limit of 21 years of age to 24 years of age and it increases the length of stay from 18 months to a maximum of
36 months. it also -- and i think this is important -- expands the eligibility for individuals who will leave foster care within 90 days. thank you, mr. speaker. i'd yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. chairman. at this point we'd like to recognize the distinguished gentleman from texas who is the chair of the financial institutions subcommittee, congressman neugebauer, for three minutes. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. neugebauer: i thank the chairman and mr. luetkemeyer and ranking member cleaver for their work on this important piece of legislation. i've been in the housing business for probably over 40-some-odd years and i've been involved in every aspect of it, from low-income housing to rental housing to new housing to resell housing. and one of the things i recognized over the years what an important part housing is to
the fabric of our country and how important housing is to families and how people nt into the housing market -- enter into the housing market in different ways. certainly there are folks that go into market-based rental housing and there are folks that aren't quite ready to do that. maybe they're getting started or they had a difficulty in their life. so a lower-income housing provides an opportunity for them. and i think the goal of the housing programs over the years is to provide low-income housing is a steppingstone and not a permanent resident. and one of the things i like about h.r. 3700 is that it encourages that process. as been brought up, a number of these programs and over the years, sometimes a good idea spreads around and we spend a lot of time probably creating new housing programs and probably spent a lot of time increasing the funding for housing programs but in many cases maybe we didn't stop and
do the review and make sure that the programs that we had t in place were efficient in delivering the services that needed to be delivered and helping those families accomplish the goal of moving through the housing cycle. . one of the things i like about this bill is these family who was, the goal has been to increase their livelihood and they gotten better jobs and their income is increased, it's time then for those folks to move on because what we know is, in those -- and those statistics were brought out today, we've got a number of people in the waiting line to get into some of these housing to better their lives. it's not fair for people that have incomes, have far surpassed the incomes it takes to qualify to live in that should continue to do that. aflubte families must either pay market rentals or leave the public housing arena.
high asset families must leave the public housing. that's a normal course, that's not cruel, that's just the way these programs were designed to work. the other thing though, we have a responsibility to families and individuals around our country but we have, you know, a responsibility for the united states of america and one of the things that i think is important about this piece of legislation is it doesn't really mess with mandatory spending but it gives, according to c.b. -- but it is, according to c.b.o., going to save $300 million over five years. so i think what that points out, this is done really without cutting any of the programs, but just creating some efficiencies in those programs to make sure those programs are being administered appropriately and if there's some regulatory things that are keeping people from operating some of these public housing facilities in a way that's maximized the benefit, we give them some flexibility to do that. by reducing some duplicative
regulatory processes and more importantly empowering the local entities and the local operators of this public housing to be more innovative and creative. i've had an opportunity to visit some of our public housing facilities in my district, the 19th district, and as i sit down with a lot of those administrators, what they tell me is, randy, if we could have more flexibility, we know how to deliver this service much more efficiently than we have today but in many cases the federal regulation is inhibiting their ability to be able to implement some of those things. so i want to commend the two gentlemen from missouri for their outstanding work. yes, we can probably do more, but you know what, the good thing is, we got started. i think we're off to a good start. i encourage my colleagues to support h.r. 3700. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentlelady from -- the chair: the gentleman's time has expire the gentleladfrom california.
ms. waters: i yield one minute to the gentlelady from the deme on financial services, ms. moore. the chair: the gentlelady is recognized. ms. moore: thank you for yielding, madam ranking member waters. i rise in support of h.r. 3700 as a -- as amend pid ranking member waters. now this is what you call regular order, folks. this bill came out of committee with a significant flaw that would have had a very negative impact on families and children and the ability of low income people to deduct child care expenses. and if it were not fixed, it would effectively raise the rent of thousands of low income families with children. now i just want to commend my colleagues, ms. waters and mr. clear, ms. waters in rticular, for really catching this flaw.
but i also want to commend the republicans who, you know, instead of just taking their position as being in the majority and say, we don't have to listen to you, to continue to engage with us to fix this. 's -- literally the math did not work out. i can tell you as a -- once a single parent and as a grandmother, i know about the budget-busting cos of ild care. and i also know how central housing policy a access to child care i to positiveocial outcomes for children. so often, we demand that poor people, especially women, pull themselves up by theirboot straps and we have programs that are desied to help them. but then what we do is we p program features in place tha really cancel out the befits of these programs. but this bill, h.r. 37, as amended by the ranki member,
eliminates these unintended consequences for poor people. ranking member waters and ranking subcommittee member cleaver have both been powerful advocates on the housing and financial services committee and i'm so pleased to join them in fighting for these changes. h.r. 3700 is supported by the realtor the national alliance to end homelessness, the center on budget and policy priorities and over two dozen other groups. i urge adoption as amended by ms. waters. thank you and i yield back. the chair: the gentlelady yields back. the gentleman from missouri is ecognized. >> thank you. we'd like to recognize the gentleman, mr. pearce, for two minutes. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. pearce: about five years ago
i was at a meeting in roswell, new mexico, with veteran constituents and we were talking policies and things like that, after about an hour, one gentleman overlooked in the whole group blurted out, i am living in a rat hole. it just caught us all by surprise. we dismand -- dismantled the discussion there and went immediately to look at his house. over the next two year, that community gathered money, businesses came together theyer to dun the man's house and rebuilt it. the problem is that not everyone out there can get access to communities and local businesses to help them through the problems so we have a housing program -- so we have housing programs which are set up. unfortunately, they're mired in bureaucratic red tape. we soak away the dollars that should be helping people with administrate i burdens that make no sense. with duplicate requirements to go through the processes. so i commend both sides of the aisle, mr. luetkemeyer and ms.
waters, for pushing this reform because it will allow us to direct the money where it should be going. many times we think that we disagree with each other about policies. the truth is there's not significant disagreement that we should be helping those at the lowest income levels to raise themselves up. it is through their progression toward prosperity and toward just making ends meet that we get rid of some of the deepest problems in our social cost of the government. so it's not that we disagree, it's that sometimes we get trapped in, that program doesn't work well so we want to cut funds. i think that this is a very important step today where we're trying to modernize the system that is delivering help to those who need it most in the belief that the human spirit will actually take those steps to make their observe way out once we help them stabilize.
so again, just thanks for the work on both sides of the aisle. i would urge support of h.r. 3700 and yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back his time -- the chair: the gentleman yield back his time. the gentlelady from california. ms. waters: i yield three minutes to the gentlelady from alabama, a member of the financial services committee, ms. sewell. the chair: the gentlelady is recognized for three minutes. ms. sewell: i rise today in upport of h.r. 3700, the housing opportunity through modernization act, as amended by ranking member waters. while not a perfect bill, h.r. 3700 has been made considerably better by the amendment being taken by ranking members watt -- ranking member waters and there are other amendments i would love to see, including my own, tell you, this bill does represent true
bipartisanship and it is a major bipartisan step toward helping preserve our scarce housing resources while expanding housing opportunity and home ownership opportunities. more specifically this legislation makes critical changes that would help improve and expand section 502 guaranteed loan program. this program helps provide low and moderate income households with home ownership opportunities in rural areas like the seventh congressional district of alabama which i am so proud to represent. the sad reality is that too often, rural america faces severe barriers and obstacles to obtaining quality and affordable housing. this is largely due to the limited access to affordable mortgage credit. the 502 guaranteed loan program is designed to target rural residents who have a steady, low, or moderate income and yet are unable to obtain adequate housing through conventional financing. essentially this program encourages private lenders to extend credit to responsible and
credit worthy borrowers in rural america. h.r. 3700 would help the department of agriculture improve and expand the section 502 guaranteed loan program by delegating loan approval authority to certain participating lenders. this is similar to the authority that the secretary of the department of housing and urban development currently has for federal housing administration loans. and its programs. and this legislative proposal was included in the president's f.y. 2016 budget. s that common sense and pragmatic measure that will help improve the efficiencies of an important rural housing program so that it can reach even more rural families. it is critically important that we continue to provide the necessary tools and incentives to help ensure all americans are able to realize their dream of home ownership. i want to commend my colleagues from missouri. i especially want to commend my
colleague, congressman cleaver, for his tireless leadership on this effort and i want to thank the chairman and ranking member for their efforts. i urge all of my colleagues to support h.r. 3700 and i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady yields back. the gentleman from missouri is ecognized. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. chairman, i yield one minute to the gentleman. the chair: the gentleman is ecognized. >> i rise in support of this bill. mr. pittinger: this bipartisan legislation provides commonsense efforts for streamlining and reducing regulatory burdens for organizations working with h.u.d. this bill looks to correct many problems within our housing system while simplifying the
certification process while providing authority for -- to approve rirle -- improve rirle housing service loans. mr. chairman, condominiums are often the first step on the housing ladder for the first time homeowners. they also can be the most affordable and desirable option for single people, young families, and those looking to downsize. unfortunately, current f.h.a. regulations prevent buyers from purchasing condos. h.r. 3700 eases restrictions, allowing more opportunity for home ownership. is bill reins in duplicative and overburdensome regulations which not only create a slower process but increase government work load for all without affecting any changes to direct spending. mr. chairman, housing assistance should be solely for those who need it, most of all in this bill takes aim at ensuring this. for the first time in 80 years, this legislation provides
limentsations on public housing tenancy for over income families. thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields back. the gentlelady from california is recognized. ms. waters: i now yield three minutes to the gentlelady from california, a member of the appropriations committee and someone who has been focused on dealing with poverty, ms. barbara lee. the chair: the gentlelady is recognized. ms. lee: thank you very much. thank you, mr. chairman. let me thank our ranking member, congresswoman waters, for yielding an also for her tremendous leadership on the financial services committee as our ranking member. she has been phenomenal in terms of making sure that our legislation is bipartisan and also, i remember serving on the subcommittee on housing for many, many years with congresswoman waters and she constantly worked to make sure that people had access to affordable, accessible, clean, and safe housing and she has not wavered on that agenda. so thank you very much.
the need for affordable housing, it's never been greater. that's why i'm very happy to be here today to support the housing opportunity through modernization act of 2015. the bill would make critical improvements to our nation's public and assisted housing programs and take steps to ensure that low income communities have access to safe and affordable housing. let me just tell you, in my district in oakland, california, rents have risen faster than anywhere else in the nation. in fact, the average open renter -- if the average oakland renter had to move tomorrow, they would be spending a staggering 70% of their income on housing. 70% of their income. that's outrageous my constituents, like many constituents around the country, they can't afford this. so this is a crisis. this bill takes steps to address this issue by protecting voucher holders from losing subsidies
when fair market rents drop, something that had a major impact on my community. thankfully with the help of congresswoman waters and the secretary of h.u.d. we were able to navigate the agency's red tape to find a solution so tenants could keep their assistance and live in their homes, stay at home. i support this bill and the critical amendments offered by congresswoman waters, price, and aderholt, are so important. it's important we update the formula used to distribute funds under this ehousing opportunity for people living with h.i.v. and aids to reflect the nature of the hiv-aids epidemic and ensure those who most need it receive funds. this is something ms. waters has been working on for many, many years to make sure the funds are targeted to the people and communities that need it most. also the bill allows for home ownership for those whose dream, the american dream of home
ownership, that's been shattered for so many. so thank goodness in this bill we have provisions now that will allow that dream to be fulfilled. so i just want to thank congress -- congressman cleaver, thank our majority and minority members for this bill and just know in my district from a very parochial point of view, i have to say how badly needed it is and that gentrification is a big issue my constituents ask me what the federal government can do. this is a major step in that direction. so thank you again. the chair: the gentlelady yields back the balance of her time. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. with that we'd like to recognize the gentleman from kentucky for 2 1/2 minutes, the distinguished gentleman, mr. bar. mr. barr: thank you, mr. chairman. i rise in strong support of h.r. 3700. a modest but important first step to improving federal housing policy through several commonsense reforms. for the first time in h.u.d.'s 50-year history, there will now be a flexible formula directing
overincome families to pay greater shares of their subsidized rents or move out of public housing. incomes and assets will be re-evaluated to target assistance to those who are truly in need. there are wait lists across the country for scarce public housing resources and section eight vouchers. i have listened to homeless advocates and my constituents at the lexington housing authority in kentucky about the waiting lists that exist in my own district. and yet a 2015 h.u.d. audit found that 25,000 families had incomes too high to qualify for assistance but yet remained in taxpayer subsidized housing. some of those families actually derivinged income from renting other residential properties that they themselves owned. one family highlighted in the eport had a combined income of $498,000. policy failures such as these not only waste taxpayer dollars, but more importantly,
they hurt those in need who might otherwise have a roof over their head. i hope this bipartisan initiative is a down payment on further reform of federal housing programs. several of my colleagues and i are developing an empowerment agenda to holistically reform federal programs, from housing to nutrition to work force development. we start with the recognition that the federal government now runs more than 80 different anti-poverty programs at an annual cost of nearly had $1 trillion. and yet after 50 years of this strategy, the poverty rate has barely budged from where it was in 1965. the goal is to assist americans to atheir -- to achieve their god-given potential, to restore the american dream, where the condition of your birth does not determine the outcome of your life. and so i look forward to working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle and members of this subcommittee in leveraging the empowerment agenda to craft additional reforms to federal housing policies, that improve outcomes by recognizing that poor
americans are not liabilities to be managed by some remote bureaucracy in washington. but are as ets, untapped assets, that can achieve the american dream. and so i congratulate the chairman and the ranking member on their work on this -- on this bill and i urge my colleagues to vote in favor of h.r. 3700 and i invite my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to join in additional efforts to reform h.u.d. and to more effectively combat poverty. with that, i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentlelady from california is recognized. ms. waters: thank you. i now yield two minutes to the ntleman from california, mr. desaulnier. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. desaulnier: i thank the gentlelady for yielding. we have the opportunity to address inequity with how the housing and urban development treats communities. across the country and in my district in the bay area, communities have been missing out on access to mortgages due to an unnecessarily restrictive
rule. the rule's intent was good but in practice it undulyy harms seniors, families and communities. one community in my district in the east bay of the bay area is home to thousands of seniors, many of whom need access to h.u.d.-backed mortgages, to enhance their financial security. i am pleased that in this bill, a step in the right direction to allow these residents and other communities across the country to benefit from the same mortgage rules available to other homeowners. i appreciate the hard work done by the chairman of the subcommittee and the ranking member on this important issue and look forward to working with them to continue to protect these deserving communities. with that, i am happy to yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. with that we'd like to yield 2 1/2 minutes to the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. rothfus, one of our young and up and coming members of the financial services committee. the chair: the gentleman is recognized.
mr. rothfus: thank you, mr. chairman. for decades the federal government has spent over $1.6 trillion in an attempt to accomplish the laudable goal of ensuring that all americans have access to affordable, decent housing. i have visited many affordable housing sites during my time in congress, to listen to the concerns of residents, managers and community leaders. in fact, just two weeks ago i visited a public housing facility managed by the housing authority of beesker county -- beaver counties. these meetings and businesses have underscored the programs. if administered correctly, these efforts can be truly transformative for hardworking americans. i have met many pennsylvanians who have improved their lives and brightened their family's futures, thanks in part to targeted federal housing assistance provided to them in their time of need. however, there are also cases where outdated rules, waste, fraud, abuse and janine efficiency have made it difficult to direct resources to those who need them most. there are also instances where housing assistance programs have failed to help lift people out of poverty. members of both parties recognize this reality and have worked together to identify
areas for improvement. h.r. 3700, the housing opportunity through modernization act, is a bipartisan, commonsense bill that addresses many of these issues. among other things, this legislation makes it easier for tenants, owners and investors to navigate rental assistance programs by reducing duplicative and inefficient regulations that make it harder to rent or operate affordable housing. the housing opportunity through modernization act also incorporates safeguards to prevent well-off families from using scarce public housing units. we can all agree that housing assistance programs should be reserved for those who need them most. this legislation also provides flexibility to public housing agencies in using federal funds to meet local needs more effectively. i am a proud co-sponsor of this legislation and i encourage my colleagues to support this bipartisan effort, to improve federal housing assistance. we owe it to the many americans who rely on these programs to enact this legislation's reforms. i thank the chairman and i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time.
the gentlelady from california. ms. waters: mr. chairman and members, this bill contains several provisions which i wholeheart lid support. and would like to see passed -- wholeheartedly support. and would like to see passed into law. this bill includes a few provisions that were taken straight from bills that i authored, including the text of my voucher improvement act of 2015, which would increase flexibility for public housing authorities to develop new units of housing to serve those, including those who are homeless in this country. it would also help to create housing opportunities in areas where vouchers are difficult to use. i introduced my project-based voucher bill to address the severe lack of affordable housing, which is contributing to the epidemic of homelessness across the country. the section eight project-based voucher program is a valuable tool to help preserve and create more affordable housing, especially for the poorest and
most vulnerable populations it. essentially helps housing -- populations. it essentially helps housing providers get outside financing to maintain affordable housing in their communities. my bill would help us maximize the effectiveness of this critical program by facilitating the ability of p.h.a.'s to enter into agreements with private and nonprofit owners and to partner with social service agencies to provide supportive housing. this will ultimately help provide stable housing for our most vulnerable populations. gaining access to affordable housing is becoming harder and harder for far too many families. we're in the midst of a homelessness crisis in my district and many districts around the country. and we need more affordable housing to help get vulnerable populations off the streets. by making the section eight project-based voucher program easier to use, we can help to overcome this challenge.
i hope that the information that's been shared by some of my colleagues was not lost. and i certainly hope that we all heard what congresswoman barbara lee said about residents that are paying 70% of their income on housing. and it has become commonplace around this -- around this country for our citizens to be paying 50% of income for housing. this is totally unacceptable. and so i'm very pleased that we are focusing on housing. i'm very pleased that there's certain aspects of this bill that i think will be very beneficial to our residents and to our constituents throughout the country. and i'm hopeful that we'll continue on this track, that
this won't be the first or the last housing effort that we make coming out of the financial services committee. i'm very pleased to be a part of it, i'm proud of all of the work that has gone into this legislation, i'm very pleased that we were able to work out any differences that we may have, i'm very proud of mr. cleaver and mr. luetkemeyer for getting together, at two gentlemen from missouri. it might help a little bit that i'm from missouri also. to do this bill. and i think it's something that we can all be proud of. so what i'd like to do at this time is to retain the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady retains her time. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. chairman. with that we'd like to recognize the distinguished gentleman from texas, mr. williams, for two minutes. one of our junior members of the committee, but one of the senior members with life experience who can bring a lot
of good discussion to this discussion we're having this afternoon. mr. williams: thank you, mr. chairman. i'm proud to rise today in support of h.r. 3700. the housing opportunity through modernization act of 2015. introduced by my good friend, chairman luetkemeyer, and my friend, congressman cleaver, this bipartisan piece of legislation is the first step in many to help reform and modernize our outdated federal housing system. mr. chairman, for too long government red tape has made many of these housing programs inefficient, ineffective, hurting the very people they aim to support. if signed into law, h.r. 3700 seeks to change that all the while saving taxpayer invested money. first, as mentioned, c.b.o. probablies this bill as a cost saver, with a federal deficit reaching almost $19 trillion, the savings and discretionary spending are a direct result of allowing local housing officials and agencies to better manage their programs. like most federal programs, inefficient regulations exist that often balloon overall costs. additionally, as previously mentioned, for the first time,
this legislation restricts the use of already scarce public housing units to those who actually need them by establishing an earnings cap. eliminating federal subsidies for overincome families has always been key to this discussion. most wait lists for public housing stretches into the tens of thousands, families who should not receive subsidies in fact often do. plain and simple, public housing should be reserved for those most in need. finally, h.r. 3700 ensures that our veterans have their fair access to h.u.d., housing and homeless assistance programs. with nearly 50,000 homeless vets nationwide, we can and need to do more in this area. mr. chairman, as a member of the house committee on financial services and the house subcommittee on housing insurance, i'd like to thank chairman luetkemeyer again for thinks leadership -- for his leadership on this issue over the last year, addressing housing reform is something that is not without controversy. i urge my colleagues who we've heard today to support this measure. i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time.
the gentlelady from california. ms. waters: i continue to reserve my time. the chair: the gentlelady reserves the balance of her time. the gentleman from missouri. mr. lucas: mr. chairman, we're -- mr. luetkemeyer: mr. chairman, we're at the end of the list of our folks speaking with regard to the bill so we are ready to close after the gentlelady -- wait, we have one more, pardon me. ok. our last one's not here. so, we'll -- we're ready to close whenever the gentlelady -- the chair: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentlelady from -- the chair: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentlelady from california. ms. waters: thank you, mr. chairman. i'd like to again thank my colleagueses for their leadership in putting together a bipartisan, affordable housing bill that addresses so many complicated issues in a responsible way. and brings together so many different stakeholders in support of this bill. there is a very long list of organizations that support this bill, that includes tenant advocacy groups, public housing authority industry groups, real estate industry groups, rural housing groups, as well as
community development organizations. to name just a few. the supporters of this bill includes the national low income housing coalition, the center of budget and policy priorities, the national housing trust, c.s.h., the council of large public housing authority, the national association of realtors, the local initiatives support corporation, enterprise community partners, and many more. the enthusiastic support from such a broad and diverse coalition is indicative of the hard fought compromises included in this bill. in fact, i do not know of a single organization opposing this bill. h.r. 37 shurks made up of commonsense reforms that will make much-needed improvements to our housing programs to make them work better for both public housing agencies and the tenants they serve.
and so if this bill is enacted into law, it will make the first major reforms to h.u.d.'s primary rental assistance programs since 1998, and that is an acleevement that we can all be proud of. so there's a lot at stake here and i urge my colleagues to vote yes on this bill and i would reserve any time i may have left. the chair: the gentlelady reserves. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: can you tell me how much time we have left. the chair: 7 1/2 minutes. mr. luetkemeyer: my apologies to my ranking member, we do have one more and if you are out of time i'm more than willing to allow you time to rebut if there's a problem there. the chair: the gentlelady has 5 1/2 minutes. mr. luetkemeyer: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from new hampshire, mr. guinta. mr. guinta: thank you, mr. chairman. i'm proud to speak in support of
h.r. 3700, the housing opportunity through modernization act, sponsored by representatives luetkemeyer and cleaver this extremely bipartisan bill makes a number of critical reforms to our housing programs. these programs will streamline processes and create much needed -- much needed efficiencies for government and most importantly our consumers. i'm happy to see it moving so quickly because it will solve problems americans continue to face in acquiring safe and affordable housing. it will make changes to the department of housing and urban development to lighten administrative burdens for housing administrations and owners to assist low income individuals and families to live in greater dignity. it's very encouraging to see the bipartisan work that's been done thank the and i representatives. i thank chairman luetkemeyer for allowing me to speak on this bill and i urge my colleagues to
support this bill. thank you and i yield back my time. the chair: the gentlelady from california. ms. waters: thank you very much, mr. chairman. i'll just take this last few minutes that i have to say to those people who live in public housing that this is an important support effort of government to provide public housing for those who cannot afford market rate housing. i have represented over the years many public housing projects in california. and while i do not represent them all anymore. i still pay attention to public housing because i understand and know how very important it is to the lives of families and to the children who depend on, you know, having safe housing and affordable housing for them. i'd simply like to say this, that oftentimes, people who live
in public housing have been demonized and there are folks who think, oh, they could do better if they wanted to. there are people who say they don't want to remove themselves from public housing. i would like to have people know that folks that i have known who live in public housing, many of them work every day for minimum wages, many of them are trying very hard to be independent. many of them would like to have job training. many of them would like to have more support for child care efforts. many of them are working to get their g.e.d.'s. many of them have returned to school. and so, for the people who live in public housing, they don't need to feel that somehow they're getting something they don't deserve. i am proud of this government and i'm proud of this country that will provide a safety net for the least of these and give safe and public housing to those who could not afford market rate
housing. and i want our congress to continue to see how we can do a better job even of providing safe and secure housing for those who cannot afford it. and i want us to be able to provide additional support to these who live in public housing. for those who are saying to those, help me with job training, help me to ensure that my children can get the kind of support, living in public housing, that will give them access to great and good education. help us to have better health care so we can be better able to go out and take jobs to support our families. help us to aspire to move upward and outeven. help us to understand what's available to us out there and when we seek out help for our problems, don't look at us as if we're people who are not
investing in ourselves, who are not relying on our own abilities, simply see us as americans who would like to co-better. see us as americans who unfortunately find ourselves in situations where we can't do better for now, but we're looking for the opportunity to do better. and to have more. and to enjoy everything that this country has to offer. and so as we support this legislation today, i support it and i'm optimistic about the fact that this is going to make a lot of lives better, but i'm also optimistic that this is really a beginning for how we can begin to not only give support, but involve the tenants in how they can help to make decisions about their living and about the units they're living in and how they can serve on the
boards that oversee them. how kay they can be a part of government, helping us to understand how we can do a better job with the authority that they have given us. so i'm very proud, i'm very pleased, and i thank mr. cleaver, i thank mr. luetkemeyer, i thank mr. cleaver for telling his story about public housing. and i want you to know that there are any number of members in the congress of the united states who have lived in public housing, or their families such as my family, have lived in public housing. and i want you to know aye watched public housing, that has been very helpful. i've watched public housing that has provided safe, decent, secure opportunities for the people who live there. but i've also watched public housing when it didn't work. in st. louis, missouri, it was an example of what didn't work. i was in that city when it was
torn down. and the space that it occupied is still vacant in that city and it should be a space where we had additional public housing that would support the families who so desperately need it. and so, i don't take this bill lightly, i don't think about this as just another piece of legislation that we happen to get passed here in congress. even with bipartisan support. i think of this as an important step and a statement, a constituentment that says both sides of the aisle understand housing. both sides of the aisle would like to continue to do the best job that it can do to provide safe and secure housing and that we're not going to stand by and watch homelessness continue to grow. it was mentioned several times throughout this debate, maybe here today, and when we were in committee, that in los angeles county, homelessness has
increased by 20%. people are sleeping on the sidewalks all the way up to city hall. we cannot abide that. we cannot stand by and watch that happen. and while i'm pointing to los angeles county, there are many areas all across this nation where homelessness is shameful and unconscionable and i am very pleased and proud that we are sending a signal here today that we won't stand for it and i yield back any time i may have left. the chair: the gentlelady yields back. the gentleman from missouri is recognized. mr. luetkemeyer: i want to close with a few remarks here. i think you can see that this is a very important, also a very emotional issue for many, many people. it's extremely important for those folks who are in and around and utilize public housing. putting this bill together, we have tried to listen to all the different parties as well as both sides of the aisle and address all the concerns that
everybody had. we have a few amendments to go here but i think we'll work through those quickly. i think you can see from the support that we've seen on both sides of the aisle, from the discussions we've had, that we've come to an agrement on what's in the provisions of this bill. you have here a whole list of 30 different letters of support, different groups from around the country, that represent all the different groups from least housing to -- from leased housing to housing authority, to investment individuals to realtors to you name it. we've yet to receive a single letter against this proposal. i think you can see that we managed to find the right balance with the bill, to find the middle ground where we can all agree that we can accept the provisions that we have. in the bill we've done things with flexibility that people in the different housing authorities have asked for who manage these things to be able to do things more efficiently, more effectively. we got rid of duplicative rules. we opened condos up to be part of the program.
and we've cut the costs not by cutting programs but by cutting out the waste and the duplicative rules and giving flexibility to those groups that need it to be able to do the job. is this the end-all, be-all? no. we have a lot more to do. this is a good first step. we believe that we need to be empowering people and enabling people be able to do better and help themselves. we believe when it comes to housing, it's not just a place to live but people need to have a place to have a life. with that, mr. chairman, i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back his time. all time for general debate has expired. pursuant to the rule, the bill shall be considered for amendment under the five-minute rule. in lieu of the amendment in the nature of a substitute recommended by the committee on financial services, printed in the bill, it shall be in order to consider as an original bill for the purpose of an amendment under the five-minute rule as an
amendment in the nature of the substitute consisting of the text of rules committee print 114-4 2. that amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be considered as read. no amendment to that amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be in order except those printed in house report 114-411. each such amendment shall be offered only in the order printed in the report, by a member designated in the report, shall be considered read, shall be debatable for the time specified in the report, equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent, shall not be subject to an amendment and shall not be subject to a demand for division of the question. it is now in order to consider amendment number 1 printed in house report 114-411. clerk will read.
for what purpose does the ntleman -- mr. buchanan: i have an amendment at the desk. the chair: the clerk will designate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number 1 printed in house report 114-411, offered by mr. buchanan of florida. the chair: pursuant to house resolution 594, the gentleman from florida, mr. buchanan and a member opposed each will control fife minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from florida. mr. buchanan: i yield myself such time as i may consume. i'd like to first thank the subcommittee chair and finance -- of financial services luetkemeyer on his leadership on such important issues. i have the distinct privilege of overseing a number of means tested programs aimed at providing low income individuals and families an opportunity to move up the economic latter. there are a lot of lessons we have learned and we should be using them to better serve
recipients and taxpayers. in june of last year, the department of housing and urban development office of inspector general found that federal government paid public housing benefits to families with excessive income and assets. when those benefits should have gone to low income families in real need this amendment builds on reforms made by the understand lying bill this amendment reduces that burden on families by using systems they are most likely already familiar with, enacting means tested programs, it's also -- it also improves accuracy for housing authorities and land lords providing them with more timely and reliable information. ultimately, it assures that those with assets well above the eligibility limits will not be using benefits directed at those americans who need them the most in terms of being helpful. i encourage all my colleagues to support this amendment and support the underlying bill. i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentlelady from california is recognized.
ms. waters: i claim time in opposition to the amendment. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the chair: the gentlelady is recognized for five minutes. ms. waters: i rise in opposition to thement. i have concerns that there are a lot of unanswered questions regarding the new income verification system that is being proposed in this amendment and i think i need to -- i think it needs to be addressed. first it appears that there would be a cost associated with this amendment, housing authorities would have to spend some of their operating fund dollars to comply with the new requirement in this amendment. and that takes away from other important things that they must prioritize. it is important to note that the public housing operating fund and administrative fees are severely underfunded so public housing authorities are already struggling to make ends meet. h.r. 3700 is intended to ease administrative burdens but this amendment seems to be increasing
burdens without any additional funding, in other words, it is an unfunded mandate. secondly, it is unclear whether all housing authorities have the electronic infrastructure in place to securely maintain and protect residents' personal financial data. which could include bank account information in a manner that is inconsistent with what current financial regulators have. if housing authorities need to upgrade their systems, that would also cost money that is not provided for in this amendment. third, it is not clear how this amendment would work for residents who are unbanked. this amendment virtually ignores millions of americans that are unbanked. fourth, this amendment seems to be addressing a problem that doesn't exist. because i have not seen any evidence that residents are currently not providing accurate information when applying for housing assistance. ment.
to help ensure that taxpayers are not subsidizing these households. for every piece of legislation that we pass, it should be carefully considered, which is why we should not adopt this hasty amendment that has not been thoroughly studied by congressional staff or our housing groups. the administration and carefully negotiated by both parties. mr. chairman and members, let me just say. this we have a good bill here. we've gone a long way in dealing with whatever concerns either side may have. we have a compromised piece of legislation. we have a consensus piece of legislation. let's not mess it up. we don't need this amendment. i would ask for a no vote on the amendment. the chair: the gentlelady reserves the balance of her time. ms. waters: i -- i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady reserves the balance of her time. the gentleman from missouri is recognized.
mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. speaker. i'd just like to speak in support of the amendment. i rise in support of it. if you look at the amendment -- the chair: does the gentleman from florida yield? the gentleman from florida yields. the gentleman from missouri. mr. luetkemeyer: thank you, mr. chairman. i believe that the amendment reduces the burden on families for using solutions that are already likely to be in place through other programs. i think it improves efficiency for public housing authorities. it minute mize -- it minimizes the waste and fraud of taxpayer dollars. it requires public housing agencies to access data used by other means-tested programs to provide assets. this amendment further strengthens the response to the 2015 inspector general's audtit -- audit which reveals individuals with substantial assets were receiving subsidies. this better targets -- targets housing assistance to the needs of low-income individuals and
families. the current system in determining eligibility for subsidies is burdensome to program recipients, to report income that can vary every week. and time consuming for public housing agencies and landlords to collect and verify this information. unfair to taxpayers who expect tax dollars to be targeted to families most in need. i think you can see what i believe is an asset here from the standpoint it's going to speed, streamline the system, save money. i think it makes it easier for the people to success'. going to make it he's area forethe individuals who are working with those folks to do a better job of getting and accumulating the information as quickly as possible, to better ferret out the ones who need the help and ones who don't ant do a good job of managing our taxpayer dollars. with that i yield back the balance of my time to the gentleman from florida. the chair: the gentleman from florida reserves his time. bukebuke yeah, i reserve -- mr. buchanan: yeah, i reserve. the chair: the gentlelady reserves the balance of her time. the gentlelady from california is recognized. ms. waters: marme and members,
-- mr. chairman and members, i basically made an appeal to my republican colleagues to reject this amendment and i basically talked about the fact that 've gone a long way toward reconciling our differences and that we don't need to endanger the bill at all with an amendment like this. and i'm not sure exactly what the gentleman is attempting to do. we already have systems by hich those who wish to live in public housing have to verify their income. that already exists. so i don't know what has s being attempted here -- what is being attempted here. if the attempt is to try and go to a financial institution and say to them, is it true that this person only has, you know,
$5 in their bank account or what have you, i'm not sure that the housing authority would want to assume that additional responsibility and that additional cost. so, i have to continue to oppose this amendment and perhaps there's a better explanation than i've heard. but i've not heard a good explanation about why we should adopt it. i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady reserves the balance of her time. the gentleman from florida is recognized. mr. buchanan: my understanding is p.h.a.'s asking for this. but let me just say, my amendment will reduce the burdens on families by using solutions they are already interacting with through other means-tested programs. i encourage all of my colleagues to support this amendment and to support the underlying bill and with that i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentlelady from california is recognized. ms. waters: thank you very much. i'm pleased that the gentleman talked about, having talked
with the public housing authorities, because we did too. and they no idea what your bill is. they didn't know anything about it. they didn't understand why it was being done. so, we have a difference of opinion, i suppose, about what the public housing authorities are saying. i'm saying that based on our inquiries, they did not support your legislation. because they didn't understand it. they didn't know it existed. they didn't know what it was all about. so i would again ask for a no vote on this amendment and i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady yields back the balance of her time. the question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from florida. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it, the amendment s agreed to.
it is now in order to consider amendment number 2 printed in house report 114-411. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from california seek recognition? ms. waters: i have an amendment at the desk, that has been made in order under the rule. the chair: the clerk will designate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number 2 printed in house report 114-411 offered by ms. maxine waters of california. the chair: pursuant to house resolution 594, the gentlewoman from california, ms. waters, and a member opposed each will control five minutes. the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from california. ms. waters: thank you, mr. chairman. my amendment would remove the harmful provision in h.r. 3700 that would effectively raise rent for thoses of -- thousands of families with children who are living in h.u.d.-assisted housing by limiting the amount they can deduct from their income for child care expenses. these are parents, particularly single parents, who are already struggling to pay for the cost
of child care in order to work or to go to school. i believe we should not be crippling their ability to juggle these responsibilities. we should be supporting them. and i believe that my republican colleagues share my concerns. we simply did not have the data that we needed at the markup to truly understand how this provision would affect these households. as i mentioned in my opening statement, the republicans have indicated that they will support this amendment, which will remove this harmful language and preserve the current law. this will ensure that families with children will not be burdened with the rent increase as a result of this bill. i would like to thank my colleagues across the aisle for working with me on she issue, to find common -- on this issue, to find common ground. and i urge my colleagues to support my amendment and i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady reserves the balance of her
time. who seeks time in -- does anyone seek time in opposition? mr. hensarling: i ask unanimous consent to claim time knoppsition to the amendment, although i'm not opposed. the chair: without objection, the gentleman from texas is recognized. mr. hensarling: i thank the chairman. if nothing else, i would just like to throw the ranking member a curveball and actually accept one of her amendments. just to show that minor miracles can still occur within the halls of congress. and on the floor of the united states house of representatives. particularly after a very robust debate this morning on the budget views and estimates. this might be a welcome departure. anyway, i am prepared to accept the ranking member's amendment. again, as she said, h.r. 3700 will allow only families to deduct child care expenses that exceed 5%. the ranking member's amendment would revert back to current law. i think that in this particular case, there are some tradeoffs
to be made and i'm willing to accept this particular tradeoff, work with the ranking member to forward the overall bill and i urge all members to accept it and vote for it and i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentlelady from california is recognized. ms. waters: thank you very much. i now yield two minutes to the gentlelady from new york, the ranking member of the small business committee and a member of the committee on financial services, ms. velez kess. the chair: the gentlelady is recognized. ms. velazquez: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today in support of the gentlelady from california's amendment. mr. speaker, in new york city, access to safe and affordable housing is a critical issue. just in brooklyn, the city's housing shortage has driven rent to over $2,500 a month for a one bedroom apartment. as a result, a majority of households spend more than 0% of their income on -- 30% of their income on housing, making
she's individuals and family -- these individuals and families rent burden. the nation's largest public housing authority provides a home to more than 400,000 new yorkers. but unfortunately tens of thousands of families remain on waiting lists for units. congress ask cannot dictate market -- congress cannot dictate market rent but we can empower public housing authorities to address budgetary shortfalls, adapt to changing conditions, and better assist caring and prospective tenants. that's why we provided the secretary the ability to adjust the overincome threshold for public housing tenancy to assist those tenants and families living in public housing, where rents and incomes are well above average, like new york. while this bill makes several reforms like this to public housing and section eight rental assistance, many of which are bipartisan and have been discussed for years, i'm concerned about the bill's impact on families with children.
according to a recent study by the center on budget and policy changed s, h.r. 3700 to the child care deduction could cost 52,000 families with children to face a rent increase of $25 or more. more than half the families affected are extremely low-income and will be hard-pressed to afford such an increase. $25, $50, $75 may not sound like a lot of money for us. but for low-income families, to have to struggle every day, this is a lot of money. while updating and improve our nation's rental assistance and public housing programs, are important goals, one i will continue fighting for, they cannot be accomplished on the backs of nations -- of the nation's children. i therefore urge adoption of the of the gentlelady's amendment, which will -- of the gentlelady's amendment, which will strike the language. i'm very impressed with the
chairman today and hope that from now on we can work in a bipartisan, humane way to address the issues of the shortage of housing in our nation. i congratulate the chair, the ranking lady, and i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady yields back the balance of her time. he gentlelady from california. has time remaining. ms. waters: i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady yields back the balance of her ime. the gentleman has yielded back his time. the gentleman has yielded back his time. would the gentlelady like to close? ms. waters: thank you very much. i would simply like to thank aum of the members who have worked on -- thank all of the members who have worked on this bill and i thank for all the support i'm getting on this amendment. and i would like to thank the chairman. he had a rather difficult time on committee today. he conducted himself really
well. i enjoyed working with him. and i'm very thankful that he's here to give support on this amendment and the leadership that he's given. and with that, i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady yields back the balance of her time. the question is on the amendment offered by the gentlewoman from california. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the chair: the ayes have it and the amendment is agreed to. the chair: it is now in order to consider amendment number 3 printed in house report 114-411, for what purpose does the gentlewoman from alabama seek