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the treaty unless we did some upgrades to the systems such as the gps mentioned earlier with just casecognition the gps was knocked out. also upgrading delivery systems. >> we'll leave this discussion here for live coverage of legislative business in the house. set to gavel back in for brief speeches. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. chaplain conroy: let us pray. merciful lord, we give you thanks for giving us another day. at the beginning of a new work week, we use this moment to be reminded of your presence and to tap the resources needed by the members of this people's house to do their work as well as it can be done. may they be led by your holy
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spirit in the decisions they make. may their faith in you deliver them from tengs that might tear the house apart and from worries that might wear them out. all this day and through the week, may they do their best to find solutions to pressing issues facing our nation. please hasten the day when justice and love shall dwell in the hearts of all peoples and rule the affairs of the nations of earth. may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory, amen. the speaker pro tempore: the chair has examined the journal of the last day's proceedings and announces to the house his approval thereof. pursuant to clause 1 of rule 1, the journal stands approved. the pledge of allegiance will be led by the gentleman from south carolina, mr. wilson. mr. wilson: everyone, including our guests in the gallery,
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please join in. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will entertain requests for one-minute speeches. for what purpose does the gentleman from south carolina seek recognition? mr. wilson: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. wilson: mr. speaker, i am grateful today to recognize the state of south carolina for being named foreign direct investment magazine for superior achievement in foreign direct investment. south carolina was identified for leading the nation and also the top state for expansion. the pro-business cly mate as work force being trained by technical colleges, and quality of life, make south carolina the choice for any business looking to locate or expand, creating jobs, as done by aiken
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technical college. in 2015, south carolina was also recognized for record breaking total export sales, the top southeastern state. for the sec consecutive year the state was the top exporter -- in america for cars and tires. home to bmw, volvo, boeing, and more. many of these are located in the sec district and i'm honored to serve them in congress. i appreciate the governor and secretary of commerce along with the state legislative leaders and the state's chamber of commerces and economic development organizations who work tirelessly to create job opportunities n conclusion, god bless our troops, and may the president by his actions never forget september 11 and the global war on terrorism. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. pursuant to clause 12-a of rule 1, the chair declares the house in recess until approximately 3:45 p.m. today.
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we will also have a rally with democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders, watch that on c-span 2. >> it's a whole different campaign now. we have basically moved beyond the early primary and caucus states, now we're in super tuesday. 12 states, voters in each of these 12 states will have a defining impact on who the democrats and republicans nominate. it's a very different phase in the campaign. we moved from retail campaigning, that one-on-one we saw in iowa and new hampshire and even south carolina. now we're campaigning in 12 states where the candidates are literally going from airport to airport, trying to appeal to as many voters as possible and make their last-minute pitches. advertising is key, organization is key, but it really has moved to a different level in this campaign where the candidates hope voters know who they are, in most cases the name i.d. is out there, so the candidates .ave to convince voters
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since this began in the 1970's, the hallmarks has been the ability for people to call in, ask questions and voice opinions. a lot of polls out there but there's nothing better than talking to voters, especially if you talk to voters who were in had primaries that day. we'll have the ability to question reporters on super tuesday but the best pundits are viewers and listeners tuning in on c-span radio or watching on c span television. >> president obama awarded the medal of honor at the white house today to u.s. navy seal team 6 senior chief special warfare operator edward byers for his part in an operation that included rescuing an american civilian being held
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hostage in afghanistan. that ceremony is about 20 minutes. > let us pray. heavenly father, be with us today as we gather to see senior chief ed yard -- edward byers receive our country's highest military honor from the hands of the president. we offer you our thanks for the integrity, generosity of spirit, and valor that marks senior chief bier's life in service to our country. we offer you our thankers in rescue of dr. joseph, we thank you for restoring both of them safely to the embrace of those who love them.
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at the same time, our hearts go out to petty officer nicholas chet and his family and friends. may a grateful america always remember and honor his service and his sacrifice, amen. president obama: please be seated. good morning, everyone. welcome to the white house. guidesos, the creed that every navy seal says this. i do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions. which is another way of saying that standing here today in front of the entire nation is not senior chief ed byers' idea of a good time.
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like so many of our special operators, ed is defined by a deep sense of humility, he doesn't seek the spotlight. in fact he, shuns it. he's the consummate quiet professional. i imagine there are a lot of other places he'd rather be than in front of all these cameras. back in coronado for another hell week, holding his breath under dark, frigid water, spending months being cold, wet, and sandy. i'm sure there are other things he'd rather be doing. but the medal of honor is our nation's highest military decoration and today's ceremony is truly unique. a rare opportunity for the american people to get a glimpse of a special breed of warrior that so often serves in the shadows. we're a nation of more than 300 million americans. of these, less than 1% wear the
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uniform of our armed forces. of these, just a small fraction serve in our special operations forces. among those who train to become a seal, only a select few emerge and earn the right to wear that golden stripe. and consider this, in the entire history of the navy seals, just five have been awarded the medal of honor. their names have become legend. norris, carey, thornton, murphy, monsour, and now a sixth, byers. among the members of the medal of honor society who are with us, we are especially honored by the presence of tommy norris and mike thornton. [applause]
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given the nature of that service, there's a lot we cannot say today. many of the operational details of his mission remain classified, many of his teammates cannot be mentioned, an this is as it should be. their success demands secrecy and that secrecy saves lives. there are, however, many distinguished guests we can acknowledge, including members of congress, leaders from across our military, including the navy this may be the largest gathering of special ops in the history of the white house. among them we have, from special operations command, general joe otel and vice admiral sean fitus. from joint sp special operations
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command, rear admiral tim samansky, and from naval special warfare command, rear admiral brian loci and force master chief walters. for america's special operators, this is a little bit of a family reunion and it's wonderful to have them all here. most of all, we welcome ed's wonderful family, his wife madison who like so many military spouses, has kept their family strong back home while ed has been deployed. their spectacular daughter hannah. who is a competitive figure skater and looks the part. ed likes to jump out of planes with a parachute and when he's not sky diving he's driving his 1976 harley. when he's not out riding, he's staying in shape with hannah who is apparently his workout partner. it's good when your train sear navy seal.
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we also welcome ed's mom peggy, who i auns had one question when ed told her about this ceremony -- do you think i can come? [laughter] that's so sweet. yes, mom, you're allowed to come when your son gets the medal of honor. ed's brothers and sisters are here as are about 50 cousins from all across the country and dozens of friends. many who serve aid longside ed. some who have traveled from around the world to be here today. that's the brotherhood. the depth of loyalty to service and the mission that binds these teams. looking back, it seems ed byers was destinned to serve. his father served in the navy in world war 2 and now rests in arlington. as a boy, growing up in grand rapids, ohio, ed would be in the
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woods in camouflage, in his words, playing military. and i suspect the other kids did not stand a chance. a boy scout who loved adventure he, saw a movie about the navy seals and fell in love with the idea of deploy big sea, air, and land. i believe that man will not merely enduring he will prevail, william faulkner once said, because he has a soul, a spirit, capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance. even if he had never performed the actions for which he's being recognized here today, ed byers would be long remembered for his compassion, his sacrifice and his endures. 11 overseaing deployments, nine combat tour, recipient of the purple heart twice. bronze star with valor five times. about three years ago, our nation called on that spirit once again. in afghanistan, an american
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doctor, a husband and father of four children who was working to bring health care to the afghan people, was driving down a rural road. gunmen surrounded his car and took him hostage. they tied his hands and marched him into the mountains. the days went by. in a remote valley, in a small, single room building, surrounded by taliban, he lost all hope. i was certain, he thought, i was about to die. his captors told him, the americans are not coming for you. well, they were wrong. whenever americans are taken hostage in the world, we move heaven and torte bring them home safe. we send some thunder and some lightning, our special operator forces, folks like ed byers. they're carefully selected for their character, their integrity, and their judgment.
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they are highly trained with skills honed by years of experience. they willingly volunteer for missions of extraordinary risk like this one. in this case, there was reason to believe that taliban commander was on his way to take custody of the american hostage and move him into pakistan so time was of the essence. from a remote forward operating base, ed and his joint team geared up, board their helos and lost. once on the ground they moved under the cover of darkness on that cold december night, through the mountains, down rocky trails, for hours. they found their target and moved in, quickly and quietly. then when they were less than 100 feet from the building a guard came out and the bullets started flying. our seals rushed to the doorway which was covered by a layer of blankets. ed started ripping them down, exposing himself to enemy fire. a teammate, the lead assaulter, pushed in and was hit.
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fully aware of the danger, ed moved in next. an enemy guard aimed his rifle right at him. ed fired, someone move aid cross the floor. perhaps the hostage, perhaps another guard plunging for a weapon. the struggle was hand-to-hand. ed straddled him, pinning him down. ed's -- ed adjusted his night vision goggles, things came into focus and he was on top of a guard. the american hostage late edescribed the scene, the darkroom suddenly filled with men and the sounds of exploding gunfire. narrow beams of light shining in every direction. voices called out his name. he answered i'm right here. hearing english, ed leapt across the room and threw himself on the hostage, using his own body to shield him from bullets. another enemy fighter appeared and with his body, ed kept shielding the hostage with his bare hand, ed pinned the fighter
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to the wall and held him until his teammates took action. it was over almost as soon as it began, in just minutes, by going after those guards, ed saved the lives of several teammates and that hostage. you're safe, the seals told the doctor. you are with american forces. and that hostage came home to be reunited with his wife and his hildren. success came with a price. that first field through the door, ed's friend nick, was grievously wounded. ed is a medic, so on the helo out he, stayed with nick, helping perform c.p.r. the entire flight, 40 minutes long. today we salute chief petty officer chick las chet. back in monroeville, pennsylvania, they remembered him as the driven kid. the football player and wrestler
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who always wanted to be a seal. for his valor on this mission he was awarded the navy cross and he is among the 70 members of the naval special warfare community, 55 of them seals, who have made the ultimate sacrifice since 9/11. enduring love of nick's family and all those who admired him remind us of the immense sacrifices that our remarkable gold star families have made and our obligation to stand with them always. so today, we don't simply honor a single individual, we also pay tribute to a community across our entire military. special operators, aviators, engineers, technicians, analysts, countless enablers and their devoted families. these hard years since 9/11, our nation has called on this community like never before. small in number, they have borne
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an extraordinaryly heavy load. but they continue to volunteer. mission after mission, year after year. few americans ever see it. i am truly privileged and humbled that as commander in chief i do get to see it. i've given the order sending you into harm's way. i see the difference you make every day. the partners you train, the relationships you forge, the other hostages that you've brought home. the terrorists that you take out. i've waited, like many of you , in those minutes that seem leek hours when the margin between success and failure is razor thin, for word that the team is out safe. i've grieved with you and i've stood with you at dover to welcome our fallen heroes on their final journey home. our special operations forces are a strategic national asset.
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they teach us that humans are more important than hardware. today's a reminder that our nation has to keep investing in this irreplaceable asset. which means deploying our special operators wisely, preserving force and family, making sure these incredible americans stay strong in body , in mind, and in spirit. so i'll end where i started with the seal ethos, in times of war or uncertainty, there's a special breed of warrior ready to answer our nation's call. a common man with uncommon desire to succeed. forged by adversity, he stands alongside america's finest special operations forces to serve his country, the american people, and protect their way of life. senior chief edward byers jr. is such a man.
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chief petty officer nicholas czech was that man. every navy seal and special operator who serves with honor in his chosen profession is that man. the american people may not always see them, we may not always hear of their success, but they are there in the thick of the fight, in the dark of night, achieving their mission. we thank god they're there. we sleep more peacefully in our beds tonight because patriots like these stand ready to answer our nation's call and protect our way of life now and forever. as we prepare for the reading of the citation, i ask you to join me in expressing america's profound gratitude to navy seal ed byers and all our fine professionals. [applause]
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>> the president of the united states in the name of the congress takes pleasure in presenting the medal of honor to chief special warfare operator edward c. byers jr., united states navy, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty as a hostage rescue force team member in afghanistan in support of
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operation enduring freedom on 8-9 december, 2012. as the rescue force approached the target building, an enemy sentry detected them and darted inside to alert his fellow captors. the lead assaulter attempted to neutralize her. chief byers with his team sprinted to the door of the target building. as the primary breacher, chief byers stood in the doorway, fully exposed to enemy fire while ripping down six layers of avy blankets fastened to inside walls. the first rescuer pushed his way through and was mortally wounded by enemy fire. chief byers, aware of the threat, rushed into the room. he tackled another adult male who darted toward the corner of the room. during the ensuing hand-to-hand
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struggle, chief byers ensured the man was not the hostage and engaged him. chief byers heard a voice respond in english and raced toward it. he jump aid top the american hostage and shielded him from the high volume of fire in the small room. while covering the hostage with his body, he immobilized a guard with his bare hands and restrained the guard until a teammate could eliminate him. his bold and decisive actions urn fire saved the lives of the hostage and several of his teammates. by his undaunted courage, intrepid fighting spirit and unwavering devotion to duty in the face of near certain death, chief petty officer byers reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the united states naval service.
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[applause] >> let us pray. lord of earth and sea and sky, as we conclude this moving and
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beautiful ceremony we offer you our prayerers in country we serve. you have blessed america with riches and with strength. may we use them to make this world of yours more just, peaceable, and humane. you have blessed america also ith the tradition of heroism like that shown by chief byers and his brethren in arms. may we treasure that history and may it inspire all of us to serve bravely, generously and faithfully. men. president obama: that concludes the ceremony but we actually throw a pretty good party here and i've been told the hors d'oeuvres are pretty good. we welcome all of you to join us in reception. ed and i are going to have to take a few more pictures before he joins you but we are so
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grateful to him, we're grateful to his wonderful family, mom, 'm glad that you could come. we are grateful for our other medal of honor recipients who are here and to all the special forces who are here. we are extraordinaryly grateful to you. this is obviously an award for individual heroism but i'm glad we were able to make the broader point. we are so grateful for your service to our nation. thank you very much, everybody. god bless. god bless america. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]
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>> defense secretary ashton carter and joint chiefs of staff chair marine corps general joseph dunford briefed reporters earlier today on the latest strategy to defeat isis, including a new capability in cyberwarfare. secretary carter and chairman dunford say it's an important use of cybercommand, to disrupt isil command and control over the internet. this is 45 minutes. >> thank you. can everybody hear me? thanks for being here. chairman, i really appreciate your being here, look forward to alking to you. i'll start, i just had the honor of laying a breathe at -- a wreath at the african-american civil war memorial here in
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washington, honoring the 200,000 african-americans soldiers and sailors who served in the u.s. army and navy during the civil war. mr. carter: their service helped to end the civil war and free over four million slaves and their legacy stands as a remind over the true price of freedom for us all and this was an important signify case of the end today -- signify case of the end today of black history month. this also marks the 21st anniversary of our victory in the gulf war and ects press my admiration and thanks to the veterans of their war and their families. as we remember the contributions of our fighting men and women in that war, our thoughts are also always with our service members of today who serve in the same theater. last month, i outlined our strategy to deliver isil a lasting defeat in a speech to
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some of those service members. when i spoke to the soldiers from the 10st -- 101st airborne in fort campbell, kentucky. i described the three key objectives of our campaign, iraq to destroy isil in and syria and collapse its power centers in mosul and marraka. tumor o tell their worldwide and thiffered to protect the homeland. many of those soldiers are otating into iraq. because of our strategy and determination to accelerate our campaign, momentum is now on our side and not on isil's. our partners on the ground in iraq have retaken ramadi and are making gains in anbar while at the same time we're making
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operationally significant strides in our campaign to dismantle isil in syria. in the last few days, capable local forces supported by the united states have reclaimed shaddaddi, a critical node for training and logistics as well as for its oil enterprise. as our partners take control of that area, i believe we'll learn more about isil's criminal networks, its criminal enterprise and what it does to sustain them. by encircling and taking this town, we're also working to sever the last major artery between racca and mosul, an operation critical to dissecting isil's parent tumor into two parts, in iraq and syria. at the same time, we're bombing isil's banks as well as oil wells they've taken over, or forced others into operating on their behalf.
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we're also using cybertools to disrupt their ability to communicate over the virtual battlefield. as we continue to pursue sigh sill's lasting defeat, secretary kerry is showing great determination in pursuing the diplomatic and political track in syria which included the signing of a cessation of hostilities agreement last week. if properly implemented and adhered to, we believe this cessation can lead to an overall decline in violence and hasten the delivery of humanitarian aid. it could be a first step toward an end of the civil war and the suffering of the syrian people. we're constantly monitoring the situation on the ground and we'll see incoming days -- we'll see in coming days if all parties back commitments they made in words with their actions. let me also make it crystal clear, there's no cessation of hostilities in the counterisil campaign. these operations continue
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unabated. and as i mentioned earlier, they're being slerpted across both syria and iraq. when chairman dunford and i testified before congress last week, we described how we intend to back up our accelerated operations against isil with increased funding in our 2017 budget submission. requesting $7.5 billion, 50% more than last year. and as i described in my budget testimony, isil is one of five challenges that we must address as part of the department's mission to defend this country. two of the other four challenges reflect a return to great power and competition. one challenge is in europe, where we're taking a strong and balanced approach to deter russian aggression. the other challenge is in the asia pacific where china is rising, which is fine, but behaving aggressively, which is not. meanwhile, two other long-standing challenges pose
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threats in specific regions, north korea is one, that's why our forces on the korean peninsula remain ready, as they say, to fight tonight. the other is iran, because while the nuclear accord is a good deal for preventing iran from get agnew clear weapon, we must still deter any aggression and counter iran's malign influence against our friends and allies, especially israel. with all the luckily of which threat we may face next, we have the luxury of setting the course for how best to prepare for the future. a common theme across our budget is that we in the pentagon ha to innovate and think outside our five-sided box. that's why i'm continuing my effort to rebuild bridges between the department of defense and some of our nation's most innovative industries. enhancing ties that will strengthen this department in our nation's security -- and our nation's security this will be a key theme of my trip to the west coast that begin this is evening.
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over the next few days, i'll be discussing new technologies, cybersecurity initiatives, and a lot more with some of the top minds in the tech world. i'll also be meeting with some of our troops who are using advanced technologies to keep us safe and prepare for every challenge on the horizon. one command that helps me and the chairman think through each of the five challenges we now face is our special operations tony want to congratulate thomas on his nomination by president obama to assume command at special operations command. the current so come commander -- socom commander will soon take command at sent come. general -- and centcom. general thomas has big boots to fill but he's proven himself as a leader time and time again over the course of his i'll lust
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res you career. the president, chairman dunford and i have complete confidence in his capability to assume the vital worldwide responsibilities of socomm. i want to thank general thomas and general votel and their families for their continuing service and i hope the senate will act quickly on their nominations. i also want to express my keep thanks to general austin for his inspired leadership as commander of centcom in an extraordinary time and throughout his remarkable career. and final -- finally, i want to note that later today, president obama will present the medal of honor to senior chief petty officer edward byers who visited my office last week with his wonderful family. i hope you take the time to watch the ceremony. later today. in fact, late they are morning. it was a remarkable honor for me to speak to such an understated guy, a seal who willingly used
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himself as a shield for the hostage he was rescuing. exhibiting a tenacity to disarm and assailant but the composure to assess the situation and ask about the hostage's condition during the whole fight. for the rest of his life, ed byers will be justifiably looked up to by every special operator who goes out on another mission that most of the world will never know about, but whose valor allows all after -- all of us to build our -- to dream our dreams and build better lives if or -- for our children. he and his fellow warriors are the reason the chairman and i get up each and every day. with that, let me turn it over o the general. mr. dunford: let me begin by echoing the comments about the sole jerks sailors, airmen and marines who served in desert storm, this is the 25th
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anniversary. and tony thomas, congratulating him on his nomination and to recognize the leadership of chief byers. one other thing, there's one other individual i want to recognize a soldier who served for 37 years. this week john campbell will turn over the commission, i'll have an opportunity to recognize him in person late they are week but just want to recognize his 18 months in leadership position at resolution support in afghanistan under difficult conditions. i would say we are fortunate to have had him during this critical period of transition and also recognize the sacrifice of his family as well who have been without him for the last 8 months. with that, i'm prepared to take your questions. mr. quarter: -- mr. carter: thank you and we'll have an opportunity to reck nice him as well. >> mr. speaker -- mr. secretary, i have a question.
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you mentioned that momentum is now on our side. one of the big challenges looming ahead is mosul. has there been some movement by the iraqis to put some troops up closer to mosul? and i'm wondering what your current thinking is about whether the u.s. role has to be closer to the fight when it gets time to take mosul, you know, something beyond what they did previously is ramadi more the model where the u.s. continued with its current a proach? mr. carter: i'll start and ask the chairman to pitch in. we do, are working with the iraqi forces to prepare forces for the envelopment and ultimately the seizure of mosul. we expect it to be like ramadi in the sense that the iraqi security forces under the control of the government of iraq, prime minister habaddi,
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will be in the lead but we will be enabling them. just to get to your specific question, will go more to enable them as they move north? yes, we fully expect to do that. and when we have the opportunities, the time, the place, the strategic effect, yes, that only the united states can do, we've indicated willingness to do more and i expect we'll have opportunities to do that as we move north. >> where we are in the process, iraqis developed their plan so they've provided that to general mcfarland and now there's a proo process where general mcfarland s looking at the iraqi plan. things have -- general dunford: i, like the secretary think we'd do more in mosul than ramadi because the situation would indicate we'd have more u.s.
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support than we did in ramadi and i'll make those recommended sometime in the near future. but also just on mosul i'd say operations against mosul have started. in other words, we're isolating mosul even as we speak. same thing with rocca. it isn't something that's going to happen in the deep future. people have confused, when would mosul be secure with when will operations start? both in terms of the cybercapabilities the secretary spoke about as well as operations to cut the line of communications and go after some of the targets in and around mosul those have started. >> a question for general dunford on a different topic, afghanistan, which you mecked in your opening statement. given the taliban's resurgent activity, with attacks over the weekend in kabul, do you think the trend is heading in the wrong direction and are you considering the possibility that toward the end of this year, you're going to need to keep more american troops there doing
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more than currently planned? general dunford: what i would say is in many ways what happened this summer isn't that surprising when you think about then difficulty and political transition over the last two years. we looked at this in 2013, we assumed a certain progression, core level capabilities, intelligence enterprise, special operations and aviation. many of the assumptions in 2013 didn't on tape. the aviation capability is not developing as fast as we would have wanted it to and many of the afghan force were tied up, focused on supporting two major elections in a difficult political transition. i would say that this summer we have some lessons learned, one is, the afghan fores were resilient but they do have those capability gaps that have been identified and we're looking at that right now, i'd be prepayed to make recommendations to the secretary as to how to incorporate the lessons learned from 2015 into more effective operations in 2016.
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it would be premany chaur now to talk about force levels and capabilities and those kinds of things. the key thing is we'll benchmark the recommendations on the lessons learned in 2015 and what we assess to be the environment in 016. -- in 16. -- in 2016. >> i'd like to see if i can pin you down on the statement of being prepeared to do more in mosul. are you talk manager of the same, more advisors, or a qualitative change? specifically are you talking about putting advisors closer to the frontline and are you air ng about using forward control to call in strikes and also if i could ask you to be more specific on the cyberattacks against isis. mr. carter: with respect to the first one, enge we're talking about both. we're talking about more of the things that we did in ramadi but
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we are talking about additional things of the kind that we offered previously. but that weren't necessary in the case of ramadi. but might be helpful, might well be helpful as iraqi forces move north. and that includes in addition to iraqi ectly enabling forces, some things like logistics and bridging and a whole lot of capabilities. we fully expect to be doing more and differing in both scale and the kinds of things that we're doing. with respect to cyber, i think you're referring to our use of cyberwhich we have talked about generally. in the counterisil campaign in particular -- and particularly
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ruptyria to interrupt -- dis isil's command and control, to cause them to lose confidence in their networks. to overload their networks so that they can't function. and do all of these things that will interrupt their ability to command and control forces there , control the population and the economy so this is something that's new in this war, not something you would have seen back in the gulf war. but it's an important new capability and it is an important use of our cyber command and the reason cyber command was established in the first place. general dunford: i would say the operation in mosul, much bigger than that in rah-rah mahdi and the training of forces going to
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conduct operations in moe saul has already started so we're already working with them. back to the theme of lessons learned, like in afghanistan, we look at ramadi, we have worked with the iraqis closely to take a look at lessons learned. there's a cup of -- couple of things we want to do, one is we want to position ourselves to combine arms for the iraqis as they conduct operations. and we want to make sure we unearth the flow of logistic support. that's where the qualitative changes would be made. we take a really hard look at the lessons learned in ira mahdi, say how do we best foster u.s. forces to enable what is an iraqi operation, but how do we best foster our operations to make sure arms are delivered when and where they're needed. and then make sure they have logistics support necessary to continue operations without what we would describe as an operational pause. that's where i think qualitative and quantitative discussion comes into play. it isn't fundamentally different
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than what we were doing in ramadi it's doing the things we were doing in ramadi better, train iraqi forces, combine arms and the broad functions we'll perform will be much the same, this still is an iraqi operation but how we provide enabling support i think will be informed by the lessons learned and i suspect there thereby some changes. i have seen some things we can do better. what we get a list of you've conducted against isis, can we get a list of cyberattacks? mr. carter: probably not. we can get you a list of effects. because the methods we're using are new, they'll be surprising. david will probably be as usual,
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we'll tell you what we can tell you but not in a way that compromises operational security. i think we can describe the effects we're seeking and some of the effects we achieve. >> [inaudible] mr. carter: we have. but we're learning more and we're accelerating this, just as we're accelerating everything else. we're doing both in syria and iraq whether it be the air war or the ground war, the cyberwar, we're looking to accelerate as well. >> the secretary talk -- general dunford: he caulked about separating them, making life difficult for the -- for isil. i think conceptually that's exactly the same thing we're trying to do in the cyberworld. in other words, trying to both physically and virtually isolate isil. limit their ability to conduct
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command and control, limit their ability to communicate with each other and limit their ability to communicate with each other but that's about all we should talk about. most importantly, we don't want to know when, where and how we're conducting cyber operations or to have information to allow them to adapt over time. we want them surprised when we conduct cyber operations. they're going to experience some friction associated with us and some associated with just the normal course of events deal in the information age and we don't want them to know the difference. it's to our advantage to maintain the element of surprise. >> i want to ask you a quick question on syria. is this cease fire -- if this cease fire holds, and there's a thought it won't is there a sense in which the syrian civil war affects your battle with isil? at what point, is there a point
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at which what happens in the syrian war affects what you're doing there? >> what we're hoping, obviously work the cessation of hostilities is that humanitarian assistance can be provided, that's the principle objective here and it may, that may, and i certainly hope, we all do, hope that that leads to a furthering of the political resolution of the syrian civil war. the syrian civil war was one of the causes of isil in the first place so it is important that that be resolved. but, in the mentime, we're not going to get in the way of our accelerating counterisil campaign. so it has -- the events there are having no effect on the counterisil campaign, there's no saysation of hostilities there. it would be desirable if this, which is a cessation of hostilities now, were to lead
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for resolution of the syrian civil war. general dunford: our -- the political process and our operations come together in the future anyway this theory is we candice mantle or reduce the capabilities of isil in all the things i spoke about a minute ago but at the end of the day, lasting peace in syria is going to require addressing the grievances associated with the civil war and a political process that leads to transition. from my perspective, what we're doing on the ground against isil, dismantling the capability, but it's in support of the overall political process hich is the solution in syria. >> what's the status of u.s. and coalition nations to confront isis in syria? does that call for air strikes only? there were recent photos of u.s. special operations forces on the ground in libya. were they assessing the possible
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allied forces on the ground? and does it require, for any sustained air campaign against isis, to have a viable government in place in tripoli before the u.s. and the coalition launch that? mr. carter: let me start with the last part first, because that's the key which is try to get a government in tripoli that can win the support of all of the many factions in libya so that libya isn't the kind of disordered state that provides fertile ground for isil to spread. now one thing that the libyans, they disagreed among themselves a lot but one thing that is very true is that they don't like foreigners being there. they don't like foreigners come into their territory. that's what isil is. they don't leek foreigners who come in and take their oil. foreigners who come in and try to dominate their people. so we fully expect that when,
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which we hope is soon, a government is formed in libya, it will welcome not just the united states but the coalition and i should say here, that italy in particular, being so close, has offered to take the lead there. we have already promised that we will strongly support them. and so i hope that's part of the future there. but in the meantime, to get the other part of your question, we're going to protect ourselves against isil. in libya as everywhere else, and as you probably know, we've taken some strikes there and will continue to do that. but the important objective here is to put libya back on the path to having a government that can give the people decent governance and hold the country together and then they're not going to want isil hanging around there, libyans are very proud people. they don't want a lot of foreigners marauding around
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their country. general dunford: i'm not sure i can add much more, but the recommendation of the military campaign are informed about seating a goth of national accord and not doing anything on the ground that would undermine the political transition in libya which we think is very important. having said that, and on the comment the secretary made, we're very much aware of isil's expansion in libya and the strike was designed to get after that. what you see is where there's opportunity to conduct operations against isil, to disrupt them at this point, not undermine the political process, that's where we are. at some point in the future, if i believe that we're at risk with that strategy, i'll certainly come back to the secretary and make some different recommendations. right now it's very much informed by a balance between wanting to contain or disrupt isil and at the same time ensure that the g.n.a. has a full
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opportunity to be seated. >> is that requirement to have a government in place a very tough lesson learned after coalition forces essentially drove muammar gaddafi from power and left the entire country lawless and open o the spread of terrorism? mr. carter: the situation now is one in which the country is divided. there are a number of parties who want to be part of the government. we, and we're not the only ones, are trying to get them to reach a government of national accord. that would restore in libya a coherent government and give the people what they sorely need which is an end to the violence, libyan against libyan. at that point, i'm certain they'll want help and the international committee will help turn against isil.
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>> to be clear, what you're general dunford: this is what my french counterpart says, it's one thing to win the war, you have to win the peace. when you look at endovers over the past tech cade plus, ensuring there's a political transition which leads to enduring peace and stability is critical to make the contributions and sacrifices in combat operations meaningful. i think that's the focus in libya is to win the peace as well as win the war. you've got to start off winning the -- of having a vision of what winning the peace means even as you conduct combat operations. >> on the cyber issue, this is different than traditional warfare where you jam or disrupt. this is beyond that capability. mr. carter: it is beyond that. we do that too. the two enable one another and
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complement each other. there's electronic warfare delivering thru radio frequency means effects of the same kind and cyber. but electronic warfare has been around as long as radio has and obviously cyber is something new. >> is this a template for operations that all the commands could replicate in their regions if in fact they needed to use this capability? mr. carter: some of the tools and cybercomm itself was devised to make the united states protisht and powerful in this tool of war. so yes, all the other combatant commanders are beneficiaries of cybercomm and the same kinds of capabilities. general dunford: i'm not sure i'd call it a template, we're building an inventory of tools that combatant commanders can employ. you can't replicate what we're doing today against isil in iraq
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and syria elsewhere in the world. what you can do is leverage the tools that have been developed for this particular operation for other operations down the road. >> for both of you gentlemen, i know there's concerns talking about special operations, but you both talked about it publicly before. at this point, i'm sorry, you have said going back to your public comments, mr. secretary, that they're targeting with collective intelligence and conduct raids in your words. as you view it right now, and you talked about the accelerant, how much reliance, what are they bringing broadly speaking to the table for you? do you envision the possibility of seeking more? and to -- so i'm interested in your thoughts on where you stand now on looking at special operations forces. you publicly acknowledged last week that taking shidad i-back.
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there is public information out there. very quickly, on cyber as well, in your mind, what is the radeoff on being able to attract their intelligence networks if you disrupt them? is there a risk in your mind this they simply go underground, that they go low tech and that cyberattacks could simply start into an alternative strategy that might e difficult to track them? secretary carter: ok. i'm going to just say broadly speaking, it's a tool we introduced as part of the accelerated operations to kinds, raids of various seizing places and people, freeing hostages, prisoners of
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such that ing it isil has to fear that anywhere anytime it may be struck. and the only thing i'll say is the e.t.f. is in position, it is having effect and operating and i expect it to be a very effective part of our acceleration campaign. i don't got any more on that. i'll say about the second part of the question that asked the chairman to pitch in. we disrupt the isil communications via cyber or other methods, sometimes we do drive them to other means but it cuts both ways. sometimes those other means are easier for us to listen to. so by taking away some of the
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ways they're used to operating, they're protected and they regard as an information sanctuary drives them to other, including older technologies, and so one way or another it's a very effective tool. we have to -- we can't allow them to freely command and control forces that are enemy forces. it's just like in any other war, we have to attack their command and control. there are ways doing it but it may have beneficial effect of driving them to the kinds of communications that it's in fact easier for us to disrupt and to get to your question listen to also. general dunford: barbara, i would say the intel tradeoffs is something we take a hard look at and each and every time we conduct an information, that's one of the variables we consider in whether or not you conduct that operation and how to conduct that operation. it is a piece of it. at the end of the day what we're trying to do and i think
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what the secretary was trying to get at, we are trying to make life difficult for isil and we're trying to stay a step ahead of them. we're trying to disrupt their communications and then we can anticipate some of the adaptations they can make and stay ahead of them. reporter: so mr. secretary, what you're saying as you think about this cyber strategy, some of the goal is to let them off -- you said older communications. is the goal to get them off the dark web and back into cell phones that you can track? secretary carter: i would say the goal is not to let them communicate and exploit the internet for nefarious purposes and to dominate territory and people in iraq and syria and ultimately globally. but you were asking what other kinds of effects it may have, and it can go both ways. the chairman indicated we look at the intelligence tradeoff and that can go both ways, but the onive is to make it -- objective is to make it much
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more difficult for them to command and control their forces. tara. reporter: thank you, mr. secretary. a question for each of you. first, mr. secretary, last week at a confirmation hearing for brad carson, senator mccain called your future initiative an outrageously waste of time. my question is, does he have a point at all in there's ongoing military operations against isis in at least four countries, there's the security of security -- question about security with russia and china, is this a time to be taking on such a big overhaul of personnel? secretary carter: well, we need to do these things at the same time. we need to carry out our operations in the present. we need to prepare for future operations, but the point of the force of the future is to recognition that forces we're using today are the finest the world has ever known. and they are that because we have the finest people. and what we're -- we need to do
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is make sure that we attract in the future. because, remember, it's an all-volunteer force. that we can attract the very best and we can retain the very best, so that's why we look at , ch things as family programs maternity leave, pay, all of these things are important to attract and retaining the very best. most of these do not cost very much money. that's not really the principal limitation. now, you know, i have to say we're not a company. so we're not wal-mart. we're not like anybody else in the civilian world so we can't apply the same recruiting and retention tools that companies do. we can learn from them. some things will be applicable, but this remains the profession of arms. and our objective here is
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simply force effectiveness. we're not trying to be futuristic. we're not trying to be progressive. we're trying to attract and retain the very best. you know, do we have to do all these things at the same time? yeah, we have to make investments in future technology. we have to make investments which is what this is about, human investments in continuing to have the very best and do all the things we're doing around the world. let's not forget and that's what force of the future is about, the reason our military is the best in the world is because of our people. the reason everybody likes to partner with us, exercise, train, operate with us is they like working with our people and the reason that we can conduct complicated operations like the one the chairman was talking to with respect to libya about -- and that we're doing in syria and iraq where we're working with local forces who at the end have to sustain
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the victory. the reason we're so good at that is we have these tremendous people. we need to make sure that they stick with us and that we get a new generation so that's a serious part of the preparation for future warfare. it's not about being liked -- like the civilian world, it's not about being progressive. it's about being serious about our future. i will be up and front of the senate armed services committee in a few weeks. i know they will be asking about, i will tell them more about and i hope everyone understands the logic what we're doing and support some of the steps we're trying to take. we'll take more. we have to take more. reporter: mr. chairman, a few questions ago you said mosul is not in the future and i'm wondering if you think that both mosul and raqqah will be
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moving past the isolation phase and into a more direct operations phase before the end of the year? general dunford: honestly, i don't know. i don't know. my point is in highlighting that operations have already begun. there's a lot of unknowns, as you part the operation. what's the enemy going to be, the support going to be? my point is rather than trying to project when this is over, you know, we ought to focus on setting the conditions now to isolate mosul and make sure we have successful operations in mosul. so i would not at all be in the business of predicting when mosul would be secure or seized. >> one more question. reporter: general dunford, given the high rate in which released guantanamo detainees return to the battlefield, are you a little concerned that these released guantanamo detainees will go back to the battlefield and kill americans again? general dunford: first off, we're not releasing the detainees from guantanamo bay.
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there is a plan to cause them to be relocated. from a military perspective, i'm concerned about three tains. one, to make sure they're properly detained. whether it's the a military tribunal or otherwise, if they're properly adjudicated and if they're incarcerated they will be incarcerated. i don't think we change the standard under which we contain these individuals. reporter: mr. secretary, can you rule out that guantanamo bay will be transferred back to the cubans? can you rule out that possibility? secretary carter: you mean the whole base? no. well, the base is separate from the detention facility there. the base is in a strategic location. we've had a for a long time. it's important to us. we intend to hold onto it. as the chairman said, with respect to the detention facility at gitmo, which is what the president was speaking about last week, the point
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that's very important to repeat is where the chairman started, there are people in the guantanamo bay detention facility whom it is not safe to transfer to any other location. they have to stay in u.s. detention. that safety is the top priority for me, for the chairman, for the president. if -- so there has to be an alternative detention facility created. that's what the proposal that was announced last week was about. now, that can't be done unless congress acts, which means congress has to support the dea that it would be good to move this facility and -- the detainees to the united states. i believe very strongly that it would. there are a number of reasons for that, but not least of which would be cheaper and it comes out of our budget. and we have the duty of
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detaining them. our people do that. our service members do that. they do that very professionally, but it's not a duty that i wish them to have and so if we can find a place where fewer of them have that duty, it's a good thing. it can be done. the law has to be changed and that's the reason to have a prolve in front of congress. there are those in congress who've indicated a willingness to consider such a proposal which is why we gave it and i hope they do and i hope they consider it favorably because on balance this would be a good thing not to pass on to future administrations. i really believe that. it has to be done safely. that's the key. > thanks, everybody. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] secretary carter: sorry. thanks, chairman. he and i will gone travel.
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i'll start first. i'll be on a trip here in the united states this week just for your interest. the -- i will be visiting some of our troops on the west coast but a principal reason for the trip out there is to continue to reinforce our links to the innovative high technology sector of the united states. because even as we need to make sure that our people in the next generation are the best as they are today, we need to make sure that our technology in the next generation is the best so we got to do all that at the same time. chairman. general dunford: you have a good week. i'll spend time with our forces in the central command. secretary carter: please watch the medal of honor ceremony.
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>> well, tomorrow marks the super tuesday primaries and the presidential candidates are getting in some last-minute campaigning. former secretary of state hillary clinton is in virginia this afternoon. c-span3 will have live coverage of that rally at 4:30 eastern. donald trump holds a campaign rally at valdosta university in georgia at 6:00 eastern. c-span will have coverage of that event. we'll have coverage of a rally with presidential candidate bernie sanders in milton, massachusetts. that gets under way at 7:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2.
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>> from nbc news, supreme court justice clarence thomas broke his 10-year span of asking no questions during supreme court oral arguments. today in a case about gun rights and he did it in a big way asking 10 questions of a justice department lawyer who was defending a federal law banning anyone who has a misdemeanor or domestic violence conviction from owning a gun. questions from the bench asked by justice thomas are so rare that associated press reporter sam hannon who was in the courtroom said hearing thomas' voice produced audible gasps from people watching the argument session. earlier today, "washington post" congressional reporter joined us to talk about political maneuvering in the u.s. senate over the vacant of supreme court seat and the potential of a supreme court nominee. discuss thening us to
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senate and its role in choosing the next member of the supreme court is a member of the washington post, a congressional reporter, good morning. what is the general mood and stance of the senate? guest: we have not seen much change since last week, where we had the republican leadership and virtually every senate republicans saying it is a hopeless cause. they will not take that person up, some people in so far to say they will not have a courtesy meeting. since then, not a lot has changed although there has been some maneuvering in the gamingund and everyone out the scenarios and mitch mcconnell and the other republicans are going to have the resolve to blockade whoever
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president obama and the nominating. host: what might happen in this process? a nosethe democrats have under the campbell tent attitude where if we can just get a takeng, if we can just -- that first step, then we will go from there. on wednesday,eek the minority leader taking a hard run at charles grassley, chairman of the judiciary committee, walking right up to impugning his integrity and legacy as a senator. i think that there is some sense that if you can change of crassly into holding a hearing, shame chuckork --
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grassley into holding a hearing, that my work -- might work. there is some sense that if they andchip away in those races make it clear that they are threatening the majority by pursuing this strategy, that mitch mcconnell might relent down the road. muslim they are working with right now. they have to apply pressure and test the resolve, and those are ways, obvious ways to do that. host: that is our topic of discussion with our guest. if you want to ask questions, (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. independents, (202) 748-8002.
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let's hear from charles grassley, what he had to say about this issue. he said in response to senator reid, -- we will get your thoughts. >> now, the biden rules are very clear. my friend from delaware did a wonderful job of laying out the history, and providing many of the sound reasons for these biden rules. two boil down simply to fundamental points. first, the president should exercise restraint and not name a nominee until after the november election is completed. as i said on monday, president modeln was a good role for this practice. if the president chooses not to follow president lincoln's
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model, but instead as chairman biden said, goes the way of fillmore and johnson and presses an election year nomination, then the senate should consider the nomination -- should not consider the nomination or hold hearings. it does not matter a good -- how good a person is nominated or stated plainly, it is the principle, not the person that matters. host: there is the response. talk about the influence that joe biden has. guest: joe biden is the republicans' best friend on this issue, ironically. when grassley refers to the biden rules, he refers to a speech that joe biden gave when he was chairman of the senate judiciary committee in 1992. he was addressing a situation in an election year.
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there was a thought that perhaps harry blackmun would retire that year and there would be a vacancy. it did not end up happening, but joe addressed the possibility and he made a very equivocal statement which was, i estimate of the senate judiciary committee do not believe that president george h.w. bush should in this election year make a nomination and if he does, i believe he said, we should seriously can sitter that the committee should not hold hearings on that nominee. that as as see perfectly analogous situation. they are happy to quote senator back towords right anyone who is that they oh president obama's nominee consideration. well,mocrats have said
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that was a hypothetical, we are talking about actual vacancy and or ais not a plan vacancy justice who is engaging in a political maneuver, somebody died in office and this is an unexpected vacancy and is not the same. host: because they call it a rule, it is not technically a rule. guest: it is a rule in the sense that somebody said it a little more than 20 years ago and thus, we must -- there has been such a back-and-forth of president -- of precendent. back to the civil war in many cases, so it has been a battle of which pieces out of the history books do you want to pick and choose and wrap your case around and in this case, it is one of the more recent ones. our guest covers congress for the washington post and we are talking about the senate and its role in choosing a supreme court nomination.
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john, democrat, virginia, go ahead. whethermy question is, you believe that the republicans will stick with this, given the fact that it appears that will trump is going to win the republican nomination and a mitch mcconnell set up that happens, the party would drop him like a hot rock. then they would have to deal with hillary, i do not understand why mitch mcconnell would rather deal with hillary and a more liberal justice been dealing with obama and perhaps getting a more moderate justice. guest: that is an excellent question. can gameomething you out a number of different ways, there has been a was regulation that hillary clinton is elected president, there would certainly and -- that the obama nominee might be getting
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some consideration in a lame-duck situation. mcconnell is making the calculation that if obama nominates someone who is fairly moderate or does not have a political record, that may just be the best they are going to do . of course there is the added conversation that mitch mcconnell loses the senate majority in the election. if donald trump and that being the nominee, the general feeling is that -- if that happens, the likelihood of republicans losing the senate majority goes up and in that case, then democrats have to make a decision, do they a confirmation vote on obama's nominee or do they think they can do better under president clinton. i think that is unlikely and that they would probably jump at the chance to nominates
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president obama's -- confirm his they get thever chance, but there was a lot of different ways this could go. host: bob in pennsylvania, and did. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. i think is one of the best on television. my thing is, it is the law, it is in because the tuition that that sits in office at that time has every right to nominates a judge and in a vacancy. i have called my senator and that he put his hand on the bible and swore to uphold the cost to she can, and that, too should is the event has the right. my thinking is, the democrats should go to the supreme court with this case if they don't give obama the right to at least nominate his man.
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the bible says this is something that right is wrong and this is something that is wrong is right is right on the nail and god bless america and thank you so much. guest: a great comment, republicans would say in response to that, yes the constitution says the president has the right to nominate, but it also gives them the right to provide advice and consent and they can withhold the consent, but what i thought was really interesting at -- interesting about your comment, is that you are independent in pennsylvania, which is a swing state in the presidential race, but your senator is up for reelection and i think that he is definitely one of those senators who is possibly going to be feeling a if he maintains this posture and i think the democrats are going to do everything they can to heighten
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that pressure. independentsy want like you to call your senators and the way the republicans handle this is going to depend a lot on how independents and even republicans react to this continued blockade. for republicans. (202) 748-8000 for democrats. (202) 748-8002 for independents. democrat line, next. caller: good morning. live in district six in jackson county and we have been trying for 16 years to get something done about the water that we have and the chemicals in the air. getral people have tried to
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something done and they have been blocked like us. we have lost children in the process. we tried senators, governors, and they have turned their back. be calling in regards to our last segment, we have moved on to another topic, the supreme court and the senate's role in that. caller: that's what i am saying. we have been blocked in every which way and what they are saying is that they are basically blocking them from getting any further and ignoring the whole process. host: thank you. talk about the role of public opinion then. guest: that is one of the wildcards that is going to depend -- it is going to influence whether republicans can stick with the position they have staked out. if it gets to be april, may or raceand the presidential
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is settled and attention turns to want the senate races this has the potential to be the number one issue that these incumbents could ask about -- get asked about by reporters in their hometown and my us on capitol hill. if they get sick of answering the questions, they nudge mitch mcconnell and say at least have a hearing and let us take a vote, we know that we are probably -- we will not confirm this person, but wheelies have to show that we are doing our or you are hanging us out to dry in an election year. host: larry, chicago, illinois, independent line. caller: good morning. one of my thoughts is that we should look to what judge scalia would've thought about this. if he thought the constitution was so prevailing, then the
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president has a duty to nominate. the senate has a duty to advise and consent. if the senate fails to do their job, then the president should waste 67 days, the amount of time it takes for the party to have a hearing and get a vote, then he should appoint using the powers that he has under the constitution. let the court then reach a decision. just two years from now, whether or not his decision to make the appointment with the congress froze and did nothing. host: certainly an interesting comment. guest: the way your framed it, what would justice scalia do is an interesting way to think about it. i don't know that he ever contemplated this particular scenario. reading of the clause in question says that the president shall appoint with the
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advice and consent of the senate, this -- the justices of the supreme court. is not clear what it means if a president nominates and the senate refuses to act. that of course, there is -- if you admit that that is a constitutional question that could be settled by the judiciary, you have basically the supreme court, you are saying that it would basically be engaged in the question of who would be -- become one of the members and the court would i reluctant to do that and think -- i'm not a lawyer, but i know that there are berries elegant questions standing and tradition ability and whether this is a question that could be litigated. i don't see it heading in that direction, it does not in that
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we impart up down this road and neither party has moved much and it turns out to be something people look at, but it is certainly an interesting thought experiment at this point. the senate goes to reassess, could the president appoint someone during a recess? guest: if they formally went into recess, he could, but the general understanding and in fact, the senate majority indicated to us that it is almost -- they are almost certain to stay in session to avoid going into recess where president obama could make a recess appointment. much that your paycheck on that, that the senate is not going to go into recess in a way that would allow the president to take action like that. host: arizona, democrat, ernie.
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is more toquestion the senate itself. do anything and they don't even show up for work most of the time. what i'm trying to find out is, if this is the wrong way to do everycause doing it wrong time makes it wrong or right. let's do our job and read the job description and get done what they need to get done. don't you agree or do you disagree, thank you. guest: i agree that this is election-year, it is tough to get big things done because of the political stakes. the way that everything is viewed. i think that justice scalia's death has heighten that -- heightened that to a degree that .obody was ready for
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we were talking about things like criminal justice reform and faa reauthorization and doing appropriations bills and so on and so forth. i think that is the moment we learned of justice scalia's passing, the chances of any or all of those things happening declined that much more, given the stakes of the supreme court nomination -- confirmation fight in the way that influences the attitudes and the way the bodies are going to function. host: senator grassley mentioned joe biden, the new york times talks about president obama when he was a senator, referencing a 2007 speech. the argument that kind of the senate had every right to block the president choice by filibuster because federal judges receive lifetime appointments and often serve through the terms of multiple residents.
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it benefits our democracy to find moderate nominees who can garner some measure of bipartisan support. badoes on to talk about influence over this whole debate. another example of all the bits in pieces people have said over the years that , in someeing revisited cases, thrown back in the faces right members of the other party. -- republicans would be right to point to that and say lesson, you said it yourself. we need to tread carefully on these sorts of issues. democrats will look at that and say there are some key differences. it's nott saying confirm anybody in the election year, he is saying let's confirm a moderate. let's put forward anyone who could be considered and i think
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he was referencing in that particular quote, a lower court and circuit court judgeships and i think the democrats have since in the past couple of weeks, have really tried to make the argument that the supreme court is different, part ofch a important our democracy that we cannot vacancy in that slot for a year or more, possibly a year and a half and the senate should be obligated to take action on the president's nominee. host: mike covers congress for the washington post. he is also worked at the washington city paper.
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talking about the senate's role in choosing the next member of the supreme court. next up, and ohio, republican -- from ohio, republican. caller: my two questions are, people who don't know our history are doomed to repeat the same problems. in five words or less, why is the liberty bell called liberty bell? two, and the constitution, what is the only form of government guaranteed and why do you keep calling us a democracy since it is never mentioned? i would like to hang on. host: why don't you reference a specific question to the supreme court? caller: if he doesn't know the basic history of our country, his bias will be and. how he reports what congress can do.
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that he does not know how our founders out of this country, he does not know as -- how to ask the questions and if he does not know what a 10-year-old would of known 100 years ago, why should i believe anything he says? host: i'm aware of the distinction between direct democracy and republican democracy. i'm interested to hear what ed -- he is in one of the states that has an incumbent republican senator who is facing reelection this year. -- he is now out locked -- now in lockstep with the leadership of the senate and is someone that will be facing intense pressure if the status oh persistent. --t: he will those people was one of those people. -- wrote this when he talked about -- recognize the right of the president to place before the senate a nominee for the supreme court.
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i expect and look forward to president obama investing in him and he for the senate to consider. back to the original question, talking about how long this coalition can pull together to keep this from happening. you see fracturing going on because of these races. guest: that is the big question. -- we need at least -- need to at least have hearings. the other senator. a lot of us have been surprised that senator ayotte was very forthright and very unequivocal early on in saying i am with mitch mcconnell, we cannot act on this nominee. we have to let the people decide through this provincial election, what sort of supreme court justice they want to see. election,esidential what sort of supreme court justice they want to see. placeed up in the same
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and you can go down the line and folks like ron johnson from wisconsin, even john mccain, , theyozeman in arkansas are all facing reelection this year and add to that, the possibility of the truck domination -- the possibility of the trump nomination. there are a lot of people stretching their heads and wondering what is going to happen and to what degree the supreme court confirmation fight is going to be an issue. host: mike from arkansas, independent. caller: good morning. let me commend your guest for having such a wonderful first name. this is totally ludicrous. known to be a was
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strict constitutionalist. esther scalia what he would do in this case, but you can look at his record. party arguinghin that what somebody once said, president lincoln, joe biden, speechesen of those trump what the constitution says. plainly, the president shall appoint and the senate will approve or disapprove or whatever. this is ludicrous. it is laughable. we are all watching to what degree republicans like
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mike believe that the senate republicans are not doing their job and are not following the constitution. that is something that will be watched closely and like mike said, we will never know what andice scalia would think, a point reading of the constitution does say that both branches of government have a role in this, but it is unfortunate in that it is not specific to the point that it both branch has to do its or any particular time frame before so much time passes. things like that are typically matters for the courts to resolve but in this case, it creates a additional dialogue.
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-- additional dilemma. host: -- was being looked at by the white house and does it kind of tees to -- the white house plays this out or little bit more about the senate react -- reaction? guest: the senate republican leaders were quick to say we will that we staked out our position on principle, not based on personality, it does not matter if it is a publican, we believe the next president should have the ability to nominate or appoint this justice. an element ofwas strategic thinking to that, which is they had to send a that they will stand strong and was not get into this game of one about this guy or what about that guy. than if thereent had been an actual nomination. out, they name came
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had to say they would stick to their guns. point where the situation really changes in where we have an inflection battle is when we have a nominee that is named and once we start learning about that person, once we start figuring out what sort of person president obama wants to appoint, that changes the debate somewhat and this becomes personalized a little more. i think the pressure is, particularly, if president obama goes with someone who is a pathbreaking nominee, the first african-american woman or first latino man or the first openly gay justice, if you pick someone like that, republicans have a whole new set of questions to answer, are you going to keep this person, block this person position and the
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we don't know when that is going to happen, probably not this week, maybe next week, but that is when the battlefield changes a little bit. host: when you say maybe next week week, is that something you are hearing? guest: no. typically, historically between the opening of the vacancy and the nomination, it is pursuant to clause 8 of rule jarningsd we'll leave this discussion to go live to the -- >> and we'll leave this discussion to go live to the u.s. house. vote incurs objection under clause 6 of rule 20. recorded votes on postponed questions will be taken later.
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for what purpose does the gentleman from kentucky seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i move that the house suspend the rules and pass the bill h.r. 4238. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. caller: h.r. 4238 a bill to amend the department of energy organization act and the local public works capital development and investment act of 1976 to modernize terms relating to minorities. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from kentucky, mr. whitfield, and the gentleman from illinois, mr. rush, will each control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from kentucky. mr. whitfield: thank you again, mr. speaker. i do ask unanimous consent that
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all members have five legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks and insert extraneous materials in the record on the bill. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. whitfield: i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. whitfield: i'm pleased to consider h.r. 4238, a bill to amend the department of energy organization act and the local public works capital development nd investment act of 1976 to mornedize terms in the legislation, the original legislation, relating to minorities. this bill replaces some offensive terms relating to minorities found in decades-old energy legislation. i want to thank grace mention for being the lead on this -- grace pentagon for being the lead -- grace meng for being the lead on this piece of legislation and i reserve the balance of my time.
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the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves, the gentleman from illinois is recognized. mr. rush: thank you, mr. speaker. yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. rush: i would like to commend my colleague, ms. meng, from the great state of new york r her work in bringing forth 4238, a bill to amend the department of energy organization act and the local public works capital development and investment act of 1976 to modernize terms relating to minorities. mr. speaker, this commonsense ll receives unanimous,
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came isan support when it before the energy and power committee where i serve as ranking member and when it came before the full committee. mr. speaker, words matter. and this bill strikes outdated, offensive terms that are related to minorities. it strikes these outtated and hurting -- outdated and hurting terms out of the federal statute that can be found in the department of energy organization act and the local public works capital development nd investment act of 1976. mr. speaker, this is a straightforward bill and it helps bring these statutes up to
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modern times. and into the 21st century. i speaker i reserve the -- yield two minutes to ms. meng. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for two minutes. ms. meng: thank you, mr. rush. mr. speaker, i'm pleased to h.r. 4 38 has made it to the house floor today. as you know this bill will strike the term oriental from federal law in the last two places it is used to refer to a person. this legislation is long overdue and i am thankful for your consideration and i hope passage of it. i'd like to thank my colleague and my friend, representative ed royce, for being an original author of this bill with me, as
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well as every member of the congressional asian pacific american -- asian-pacific american caucus. i'd also like to thank representatives bulleterfield and sanchez, chairs of the congressional black caucus and congressional hispanic caucus respectively, for co-sponsoring this legislation. i'd also like to personally thank chairman upton and ranking member pallone for shepherding this legislation through the energy and commerce committee as well as representatives whitfield and rush, who moved it through the energy and power subcommittee. to all of you, thank you. we are all aware that there are chapters of american history that are not perfect. this very body, for example, once found it appropriate to pass laws such as the chinese geary act ct and the but we also found it appropriate to repeal them. times change, what is acceptable changes and congress more often than not yields to that change.
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toward that end, the time has come to repeal certain terms from federal law that many in the asian american community would find offensive. in the same way i would not want either of my children to be referred to as oriental i by teachers at school, i hope we can agree that such terms deserve no place in federal law. again, mr. speaker, i thank you for allowing this legislation to the floor for a vote today. i urge my colleagues to support this important measure and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady yields back. the gentleman from illinois reserves. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. whitfield: mr. speaker, we have no further speakers, so i reserve the balance of our time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from illinois is recognized. mr. rush: mr. speaker, we have no more speakers on our side, so i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from illinois yields back. the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. mr. whitfield: mr. speaker, i want to thank, once again, ms. grace meng for bringing this
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important issue to our attention on the energy and commerce committee and i would urge all of the members to support this legislation and i would yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass the bill h.r. 4238. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, 2/3 being in the affirmative -- mr. whitfield: i request the yeas and nays on this legislation. the speaker pro tempore: the yeas and nays are requested. all those in favor of taking this vote by the yeas and nays will rise and remain standing until counted. a sufficient number having risen, the yeas and nays are ordered. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, further proceedings on this uestion will be postponed.
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for what purpose does the gentleman from kentucky seek recognition? mr. whitfield: i move that the house suspend the rules and pass the bill h.r. 4444. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 4444, a bill to amend the energy policy and conservation act to exclude power sources and drivers esigned to be connected to light emitting diodes for external power supplies and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from kentucky, mr. whitfield, and the gentleman from illinois, mr. rush, will each control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from kentucky. mr. whitfield: thank you, mr. speaker. i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks and insert extraneous materials in the record on the bill.
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the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. whitfield: i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. whitfield: i'm pleased to bring to the floor today, h.r. 4444, e.p.s. improvement act of 2016. i want to give special thanks to our colleagues, renee ellmers of north carolina, diane degette of colorado, mike pompeo of kansas, doris matsui of california and mr. charles dent of pennsylvania for their work on this piece of legislation and at this time i would like to yield to the gentlelady from north carolina, mrs. ellmers, five minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for five minutes. mrs. ellmers: thank you. i thank the chairman for yielding to me on this specific issue and leading our subcommittee in energy and commerce as well. mr. speaker, i rise today to urge my colleagues to support h.r. 4444, the e.p.s. improvement act of 2016.
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this bipartisan bill that would provide certainty to north carolina lighting manufacturers that provide over 3,000 jobs in my home state. h.r. 4444 will resolve the underlying issues of the department of energy external power supply rule. in 2005, congress directed the department of energy to develop energy efficiency standards for external power supplies. the d.o.e. initially stated that products intened to be covered by these standards, quote, convert household electric current into d.c. or loer -- or lower gentlemannage ample c. to operate consumer products such as a laptop computer or smart phone, end quote. years after the passage of the energy policy act of 2005, new technology, such as oled and l.e.d. drivers were introduced into the marketplace. while the development of these drivers increased energy efficiency it's caused uncertainty in the manufacturing
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sector. this is because d.o.e. roped in drivers as products to also be covered under the e.p.s. rule. d.o.e. is now attempting to regulate a product that was not in the marketplace at the time congress initially directed the department oset external power supply standards. both manufactures and the energy efficiency community agree that intent and is not the of congress. d.o.e. has continued with this misguided rule despite the design differences in l.e.d. drivers and the design and use of e.p.s. one example demonstrating the difference is e.p.s. uses single stage power converon while l.e.d. drivers use a two of-change power conversion. thankful, h.r. 4444 is a pro-manufacturing, pro-consumer piece of legislation that resolve this is problem. it will exclude certain technologies from being included in other broad rule making.
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i'd like to thank my colleagues, representatives degette, pompeo, matsu and dent, for their leadership on this important issue. additionally, i would like to thank chairman whitfield again and the energy and power subcommittee staff for their time and effort advancing this legislation. with that, mr. speaker, i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady yields back. the gentleman from kentucky reserves. the gentleman om illinois is recognized. mr. rush: thank you, mr. speaker. i would like to commend my colleagues on the energy and commerce committee, mrs. elers and ms. degette in particular, as well as all my other colleagues who worked on h.r. 4444, the e.p.s. impvement act of 2016. this birtisan piece of legislation would exclude the rivers that put light emitting
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diodes, commonly known as others from d.o.e.'s standards for external power supplies. mr. speaker, in the energy and ower act of 2005, congress directed d.o.e. t establish conservation standards for xternal power supplies used i household electric current into d.c. current, or lower voltage a.c. current. at the time, external power supply were almost exclusively the kind of chargers used to power laptops, cell phones, and ther similar consumer devices.
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mr. speaker, in 2005, l.e.d. lighting was in its infancy stage. l.e.d. lamps were not on the market then, nor were they available in 2010 when congress amended the definition of external power supply. -- power supply in the energy independence act of 2007. however, in just over a decade, mr. speaker, l.e.d. and other high efficiency lighting items have become widely available. these lights provide significant energy efficiency, cost savings to consumers when compared with traditional light

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