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benghazi, libya. he talked about experiences with rolled dictators and talked about the middle east, europe and, the rest of the world. he spoke at the leadership program of the rockies in colorado springs. this is one hour. speakers,my favorite let me modify that -- my favorite speaker is your, congressman pete hoekstra. my closest friend when he served at the u.s. house of representatives together. most of these people get elected to congress -- they vote and make nice speeches. when the floor work is finished, they had for the golf course or bars in town.
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i was not really into that. i made friends with those that took the job seriously. that's how pete and i became friends. there is a great story. one time we let everybody leave town and there were 5-6 that stayed with pete. we went to the department of education office building and walked through the front door and started meeting people and ask what they do for a living. we started on the first floor, worked our way up. massive empire of a building. they were in a panic by the time we got to the top. anecdote.ting it is a defining statement of the character of this former member of congress. also the chairman of the house intelligence committee and put the same kind of effort into traveling the country. in the process, becoming the national security expert himself
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. i got my hands on a hot off the press copy. i read this cover to cover. i urge you to do the same. it is in the back here, very well written. it is concise and easy to follow. it puts all the perspective and opinions you hear swirling on the internet together. solid evidence, irrefutable conclusions. look at how big it is. you can become an expert on national security courtesy of our next speaker. 3131 to get our mobile updates. we have a script for congressman hoekstra. but my off-the-cuff introduction was even better. [laughter] let me turn the floor over to one of my curse -- my close
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friends, congressman peek hoekstra. mr. hoekstra: it's great to be with you this morning. the threatalk about from radical jihadist him. -- jihadism. i will give you some of the lessons learned. mark twain said, or is attributed to have said, "history does not repeat itself, but sometimes it runs." --sometimes it rhymes." there is a lot to learn about the violent war with radical jihad, what we call the stealth jihad. usy are trying to influence and use our values, our laws, against us to change who we are. i will share a few bob schaffer
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stories as we go through the process. as bob said, he and i were best friends for the years we had the opportunity to serve together. i will share some of those. i learned a lot from bob. i look forward to having a good portion of time to talk about what you want to talk about, answer some of your westerns about whether it is nsa, cia. -- of your questions. i served on the intelligence committee. to be chairman of the intelligence committee, or the lead republican for more than 6 years. you get to have the opportunity to have insight to the greatest secrets that we have is a country.
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the question is --regardless of when you think the war on terror withed, whether it is 1979 the takeover of our embassy in tehran. whether you think it is 2001, 9/11. from a military standpoint, i think all the evidence is out today that we are losing that war. this is the first time in american history where we have been involved in this kind of conflict. for that long of time that we are losing. this is not a war where over the last decade, we've actually made any progress. as a matter of fact, we are going downhill relatively quickly. if you take a look at what is going on in europe today, they onlyn danger of losing not the military.
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they lost their cultural identity because what they have done over the last 20-25 years. for those of us in this room that love america, it's to learn from the experiences what is going on in europe to make sure we don't make the same kinds of mistakes they have made. how does the guy that is a dutch immigrant move through this process? i moved into a marketing career my parents left europe in 1956. a lot of years after world war ii. people say, pete, why would your parents leave?
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11 years after world war ii, europe was still a very depressing place. they still had not recovered from world war ii and the devastation. they have three kids, 3, 6, and 10. they say wow, there's not a lot of opportunity here for our kids. , we needt opportunity to go somewhere else. america was welcoming. if you think about it, in europe, the cohesion and all of these things, the living years after world war ii. it was still a depressing place. take that lesson and apply it to the middle east today. syria, yemen, libya, other places in northern africa -- how
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quickly do we think the middle east going to be able to rebuild itself and be back at any point of stability, coherence, or stable government? we are not looking at a decades long issue in front of us. take a look the cities that have been destroyed in parts of iraq, aleppo and other parts of syria. the bombing that is now going on in libya. if they can't rebuild europe in 11 years, how quickly do you think they are going to be able to rebuild the physical structure in the middle east? and how long do you think it will beable -- it before you can bring the people of those regions back together? they lived together for hundreds of years. but with the genocide going on against christians, for the religious minorities -- other religious minorities, how long
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before that fabric of society can be put back together? it's going to be a long time. this problem will be with us for a long time. my parents came to america. they take their kids with us. the local christian school principal at the middle school had a great job. his job was to help assimilate us. what does that mean? we had sponsors back then that helped us get assimilated. you have a place to live, find a job. we were originally supposed to go to cleveland. a couple of weeks before, my parents immigrated, we ended up moving the family from cleveland because our sponsor backed out. they found a sponsor for us in west michigan. that is how we went from the netherlands to michigan.
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[laughter] you guys are in colorado. you may not quite appreciate this as much as i do and how thankful i am for it. but that move made short that i was going to be a wolverine instead of a buckeye. alright? [laughter] [applause] that is what we are really thankful about. the job of our principal at the middle school was very interesting. we go in and meet with them. i don't remember it of course. but my parents will tell the story. they go through the process after filling out paperwork. they ask them, what is this kid's name? andres. okay, he will become andrew. you have to americanize it. they say, what is your name?
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she will become grace. [laughter] and i am the last one in line, right? that is the fun that people like bob could have if the system was still in place. look at this little kid and say, what is his name? they say, we don't have that name here. there is no way to americanize it. we said, okay. what's his middle name? i said, pater. okay, peter, he will now be pete. at three years old, i lost my first name. [laughter] it.guys can laugh about is traumatic for me, right? at 3, 4, 5 years old, they are calling me one thing at home and nothing else. -- one thing at homne and something else. you have a sponsor family, you
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got integrated. my brother in sister went to school. there was no english as a second language. i am not saying that was a good or bad program. all she speaks his dutch and she gets to school. all the teachers speaking less. it takes her a couple of hours to go to the bathroom. -- teachers speak english. it was about becoming an american. that is the lesson. you are coming to america, and my parents fully bought into it. you will become americans and we will do everything we can to help you assimilate and share our values and help build our country. in some cases we are starting to lose that focus. america is coming very different. there is no longer a judeo-christian shared values.
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it's not a melting pot where we become americans, but a place where everybody can come and be whoever they want to be. that's something we have to have a national dialogue on. and say, that's not what it needs to be american. america is about embracing and sharing a set of goals and values together. thatis something i think europe has forgotten about. they lost sight of the culture and the value to their society. they just allow people to come in and they never forced or encouraged them to become dutch, to become german, to become swedes. what bob wasion talking about.
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2001 i get put on the intelligence committee for all the wrong reasons. nine months later, we have 9/11. for the next 9.5 years, i spent almost all of my time focusing on intelligence. i don't do much else in washington for the next 9.5 years. colleagues ony the intelligence committee says, to pete, you want to go libya with me and meet with gadhafi? i said, no, not really. [laughter] that was not on my bucket list. i've gone with bob to ukraine and i have met putin. i have gone with bob to use pakistan.
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we have gone to afghanistan and i met with karzai. but i never thought about meeting gaddafi. i kind of laughed about it. he says no seriously, the bush administration wants us to go meet with gadhafi because there are indications that qaddafi -- we've had sanctions against him, republicans and democrats. republicans and democrats consistently, for 25 years, had had a strategy to contain, confront, and ultimately deceit --ultimately defeat gaddafi. the executive branch and congress had a strategy. they said, this guy is evil, he for some of the to shoot down -- he facilitated to shoot down a pan-am. we are going to ostracize him
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until he changes his behavior. we are going to confront him and contain him. we will also defeat him. it appeared to be working. he wants to come in from the cold. a group of us go and meet with gadhafi. 2003-2009, i had the opportunity to meet with him on two more occasions. i am one of the few that had the opportunity to go to libya and meet with the madman of libya on three different occasions. what we find when we meet with him is that yes, he is interested in changing his behavior. , through theths work of the state permit -- state department, gadhafi flips sides. he does not immediately become a boy scout and all these types of things, but he becomes and is a
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phenomenal qin in american foreign policies that republicans and democrats could take shared credit for. what does he do? he pays reparations to the victims of pan-am 103. does that heal the wounds or bring them back? absolutely not, but at that point in time it is all that is left to do. he decides to give up his nuke program. is not some rube goldberg scheme, where if you push here and there, you will figure out that they are not doing nuke weapons anymore. maybe, which is what we have with iran. what he does is we go over there, how do we know his nuke program is gone? it's now sitting somewhere in a warehouse in the u.s. next to the arc of the government, and we will never find it again. -- ark of the covenant. [laughter] only that watch indiana jones will get that. we shifted to the u.s..
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our secretary of energy a second the shipment. sitting somewhere in a warehouse in the u.s. he gave up his nuke program. fighters,ook at the you will realize they came from places you are on the front page of american news. where did they come from? per capita, no country provided more fighters to al qaeda in afghanistan and iraq than libya. they came from a place called benghazi. they came from a place called dharna. why did they come from there? because if the state t -- if they stayed there, gadhafi would kill them. after 2004-200 he became an ally with us5, in fighting
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radical jihadists. a great foreign policy win because we were building allies for what has now evolved into the greatest threat against the u.s., which is radical jihadists. being on the intel committee, you may remember the sunday insert you may see in your sunday papers. every once in a while, they used to publish the top 20 dictators in the world.
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one sunday morning i opened up the paper and look at the front cover. these is putin, there is musharraf, there is mubarak, there is a solid, gadhafi -- is assad, gadhafi. used to look at the list, wow, this is interesting. i am checking them and say, i've met with him. pretty soon i got half of the boxes checked. i keep thinking, what kind of job do i have? where these are the kinds of people i am meeting with? but in many of these cases where, from a human rights record, they weren't necessarily american allies. they did not represent american values, but what they did do was helped us in fighting the enemy'ies and keeping america secure. -- the enemies and keeping america secure. mubarak in egypt. before iraq, i met with a lot of
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leaders in the middle east. they all warned us in advance, be careful about what you are thinking about. this will not nearly as easy as what you think it is it might be. getting rid of a two bit dictator is not hard for the greatest military power in the united states, excuse me, the world. that is not hard to do. putting the pieces back together is really really hard. the other things these folks told us as we met with them is, we are sharing this information with you because we want you to make your decision in a fully informed way. the second thing they told us is
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regardless of the position you make, we will be with you. like mubarak over a period of time, overflights, the suez canal, intelligence, everything. in jordan they did everything we ask them to do to be successful. gaddafi got to the point where he was doing everything that we asked him to do in terms of giving us insights into libyan fighters in afghanistan that might be in a wreck, that might be plotting against the u.s.. -- in iraq, that might be plotting against the u.s. they did what we asked them to do to keep america safe. in 2009, it all changed. think about this. i laid out the strategy to get gadhafi to switch. strategybipartisan that extended long-term.
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foreign policy is hard. you don't move foreign policy very quickly. or if you do move it quickly, you don't move it very effectively. 2008, the current president -- 2008, 2007, the current president. you have to listen to what candidates tell you, and you have to believe that. they say politicians lie too much to the american people, no, listen to what they say. obama warned us in 2007. he was on public radio in new hampshire, i believe. he said, the day after i am elected, the world will see us differently. the muslim world will see us differently. and that was a promise. and he has carry through on that promise. the world those see us differently -- does see us
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differently than they did in 20 08. because he fundamentally changed our approach against radical jihadism. 2009, i'm in colorado. this is where there is the green revolution in iran. people in the streets protesting for freedom. what is america's response? nothing. it is silence. ought tois anybody we be embracing, it is the people in the streets in iran, clamoring for more democracy and freedom. but we are silent. we then go to egypt. the president gives his famous speech. i'm thinking on this president
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right now. but over the last 15 years, there is plenty of blame to go around why we are in the position we are in today, by both parties. but in 2009, the president goes to cairo and gives a speech. in to sit ininvite the front rows? the muslim brotherhood. and who is the muslim brotherhood? they are informed in the 1940's to reestablish the caliphate that had just been defeated in the years before that. reestablish the caliphate, reimpose sharia law. they are very patient. that is who the pape -- the president invite to sit in the front row. this is a statement from 2007,
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"the will see us differently because i am president." that's a very arrogant statement. "the world will see america differently because one person is now in the white house." and that everybody else, whether it's the state department, they are now irrelevant. that the world will look at us and change our behavior because we have one new person in the white house. he decided to engage with the musli brotherhoodm. he sent a clear signal to them, but to our allies that this is a new world. i'm nervous. what happens? the muslim brotherhood, the arab spring.
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arabturned into an disaster throughout the middle east. mubarak gets overthrown, almost dies in jail. thankfully the military comes back and throws the muslim brotherhood out. egypt is still trying to recover. during those 12-14 months the muslim brotherhood was in control, radical jihadist establish themselves in the sinai peninsula. they are still there on the southern border of israel. we are trying, and the egyptian government is trying to root them out. what happens in libya? the freedom fighters in libya. sure, there are some that were in egypt. they were freedom fighters in libya. by and large, what happened in libya was we engaged with radical jihadists and to overthrow gadhafi.
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9/11,d result is that on and benghazi, is individuals and that were trained and overthrowy nato to gadhafi, used the resources and training to kill our ambassador and 3 other americans. their objective was not to establish democracy in libya. their objective was to take over the government, established the caliphate, established serena law. -- establish sharia law. as soon as they got rid of it off the, they will get rid of the west and they succeeded, the u.s. left. now we are bombing libya because they have established a caliphate. there are 5000 jihadists
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exporting fighters, equipment, and ideology into northern africa. where did he sent their -- did they send their ideology and weapons first? syria. people have reported weapons. libya has a history of exporting fighters. they exported into syria through turkey. it was flush with weapons. nato flooded libya with weapons. uae, caught her, they flooded -- uae, qatar. all his arms caches, they were liberated. they went from turkey into syria.
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why? assad needed to fill. -- needed to go. assad is an evil man. "thell the book destruction of libya." at one point in time we talked about just keeping the lid on the garbage can. mubarak,e things that gadhafi. mubarak, gadhafi, and assad, they were and perfect, but they kept the lid on the garbage can. they were fighting radical
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jihadists. we created an environment for radical jihadism to grow, embracing the muslim brotherhood. it's not just over there. we'll put a book out in the near future. we not only have embraced the muslim brotherhood, the people that want to destroy and undercut western democracy, that we have embraced them and allo wed representatives to come into the united states. we have allow them access to our federal government agents and into the white house, which is absolutely unconscionable. these people want to destroy the united states. esty had access to the hig levels of our government to "inform our foreign policy." this is where we are today.
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radical jihadistist attacks killed about 3000 individuals per year. from 2007-2011, that number increased to somewhere in the high 3000's. 2012-2013, we went from 3700 per year on average to over 9000. it was starting to concentrate. 014-205, we've gone from 9000 to 28,000 per year, victims of
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radical jihadist attacks. those attacks are now concentrated in two areas pr imarily. the middle east and in africa. concentrated because that's -- this was our whole strategy -- we cannot provide them a safe haven where they can prepare to attack us. afghanistan, it was formed when all the countries around it decided what territory they did not want, and what was left was afghanistan. but we were willing to go there to make sure there was not a safe place for these people to plan to prepare to attack america.
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we would go to afghanistan. guess what? they now have a relatively -- sure, we're bombing. scaregiven them a big because we've flown over them. havene now got a safe with the caliphate in syria and iraq. they've got a safe haven until more recently in libya where they can export. the number of fatalities and attacks is going to go up. we don't have effective strategies.
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the middle east, with syria, iraq, yemen, watch out for turkey. watch out for jordan. watch out what will happen with the saudi's. whatsapp what will happen in egypt and. -- whatch what will happen in egypt and israel. is a rough's -- it is a rat's nest. we don't have strategies to confront it contain it. is going to grow and get more dangerous in the middle east. take a look at africa. ine of the countries back countriesit is 18 with a relatively high level of terrorist activity. concentrated in the middle east and africa, nine countries in africa. the number is going to grow.
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they have a base where they can train, prepare, and attack other places into africa. you will see africa get to be a bigger hotspot. but what do you have if you have the middle east, and if you have libya in northern africa? an entryway into europe through turkey. year we were in budapest. we got on a train, in typical russian efficiency, you went into one line to get into another line to get into line to buy your ticket. big train station. there were 10 of us there. we took the train from best to prague. -- from budapest to prague. we got to prague. the next morning we turned on
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the tv. the station we were in the day before was now surrounded by 5,000-10,000 migrants. germany has let in over one million. you have this gateway of refugees, fighters going into europe. you have the gateway from libya. why? because it's not not that far across the mediterranean. you can get to the soft underbelly of europe. europe is at risk. i think the security services in europe are going to be stressed with the new folks coming in. you're going to see a decrease of terrorism and violence in europe in the next 18-24 months. there is no way they can stop it. they will also expand into asia. they are on the move.
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they have the momentum. we as the west failed to realize it and confront it. isis the jv team, we're winning. this doesn't look like winning to me. i don't know what it looks like to you. we have failed states in syria, iraq, yemen. these are the havens where these groups migrate. when we talk about when we started, which is that when it breaks, it's hard to put together. it will take a long time. the middle east is broken. large portion sof africa are broken. more of it's going to get broken in the next 18-24 months. europe is on the verge or
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breaking. for europe to get back to the way it was 15 years ago, i'm not sure it's possible. but how far will it deteriorate before they put in place-- there is now a break between the populace and the governed. meandoes not necessarily you will end up doing the right thing. there is a disconnect. you have governments saying, come on in. you're welcome. and those in the community saying, no, this is not working for us. we need -- need're going to do it, we an assimilation process or we will lose our germanness.
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we face some of the same kinds of issues in the united states. have you heard about american law for american courts legislation? something you are working on in colorado? no? people say, why would you have to do that? look at europe. in many parts of europe, there are enclaves where they allow for sharia law, right? they don't mention any other kind of thing, they just say, we want to reaffirm that in america, we want to affirm that if you go to court, you will be judged by an american law and nothing else. that is all we are saying. [applause] are espousing
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those kinds of ideas, you're a racist. "well that's hate speech." no it's not. that's a speech that says i like america. it's better than anything that's out there. i want to make sure that those who are here recognized that if you are in america, you will live under american law. very simple. do you really want to embrace the ideology out there in all these other places? take a look at how radical islam treats religious minorities. not the values that i embrace.
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i encourage you. the threat to america is real. and it's today. this is not something we can lead to our kids and and grandkids. we wish we had talked about this 15 years ago. it's much harder to address today. the second lesson they tell us is, learn from the mistakes we made. we are exceptional. what over going to do to make sure we keep that exceptionalism? does that mean everybody has to be like us? no. we'd love that to happen, but we
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are not going to employ our military to make that happen. we are going to set an example so people want to aspire to who we are. when they see that, they wanted and make the change -- they will want it and make the change for themselves. that is the challenge that we face. republicanget rid of and democrat labels. we need to come together once again as america to talk about what it means to be american, develop a long-term strategy. we can't have a foreign policy that shifts dramatically every time we put a new person into the white house. we need a long-term policy that says this is to america is.
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from a republican to a democrat president, we may tweak our foreign policy, but never again will we dramatically change our foreign policy that, you know, we are in the mess that we are today. our enemies don't fear us. our friends don't trust us. they say, why want assad negotiate with us? [laughs] this is not brain surgery, folks. americans threw him under the bus. they look at gaddafi and said, this is a guy that changed all of his stripes, along with the americans, killed jihadist, and the bus cap going from cairo to jubilee and it -- to tripoli and it ran over him next. gaddafi lived 6 months longer than bin laden before we killed
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him. assad orhe lesson to anybody else? i think i will negotiate with the americans. and if i really change my behavior, if i improve the human rights and go after radical jihadists, they will be with me. develop a shared vision for where we want to go. we need to learn from the lessons and mistakes and the good things we have done over the last 15-20 years. with that, i am more than willing to take whatever questions you want to throw my way. [applause]
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>> two part question. are there any democrats that could get that same kind of speech to a room. if not, what would you -- what w ould democrats be throwing back at you? mr. hoekstra: yeah, i think there are. there are not a lot of democrats, but no, there are some that clearly see the threat from radical jihadists. what will they throw back at me? you had hillary clinton talking about -- this amazes me. in one of the debates, she said libya is the best example of the use of smart power. and it's like, you got to be kidding me. that's what they believe. what they would throw back is what you mentioned in the front row. islamaphobacist,
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e." what i do in the book is outline a series of realists foreign policies. foreign policy is not black and white. most of it is grey. "all you want to do is go to work." -- go to war." no, i would have left gaddafi, mubarak, assad in place. if we had left those three governments in place, the middle east would be a whole lot different today.
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why would i say that? hopefully we have learned the lesson from iraq. when you go in and break it, it's hard to put back together. yeah? >> class of 2005. you partly answered my question. it seems that we take them out and more show up in this vacuum. it seems like our best strategy is to support a few strongmen, even though that seems unpleasant in itself. mr. hoekstra: it is unpleasant. they are not great choices. but the end result, they kept the lid on the garbage can. when they were gone, because nato and the rest were unwilling to put the resources in place seeeep the lid on, you failed states. where do you see the greatest number of terrorist attacks? in the field states. -- the faile states.
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there is a total nexus. class of 2016 from denver, colorado. describe the change would like to see in the political dynamic such that foreign policy doesn't go through these approach changes between administrators. -- these abrupt changes between administrations. have you see that occurring? so we are going to mature all of a sudden? [applause] [laughter] mr. hoekstra: no, you are asking how it could happen. >> how you see it happening. mr. hoekstra: no, i'm very pessimistic.
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i see a lot of phrases thrown around that reminds the american people that there can be easy answers to these deep and enduring problems. no, this is hard. this is not political. you are using this for political advantage. i'm very pessimistic. i see the real opportunity, as you go from what we have seen over the last 12-14 years, we will see for the next for for policy. a political hot button, a leverage point to win elections. it will go back and forth. why? because foreign policy is really hard. people are going to make mistakes. the other political party is going to leverage that for their political advantage. we as americans are going to suffer.
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i'm pessimistic about us actuall y developing the majority to have the discussions we need on foreign policy. i'm sorry, i wish i had an optimistic answer, but i don't. . was on the intel committee all this discussion about black sites. republicans and democrats all knew these things were going on. we were briefed in detail about what enhanced interrogations were, where they were being used, who they were being used on. it was a gang of 8 type of thing. started it in the press. it did not come out of the intel committee, it came out of congress. it was those using it for political advantage. they thought they could destroy the other party and use it to gain advantage in the next election. and they were right.
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and they hurt america because of it. that does not mean i agree with one of those policies. but every single republican and democrat had the opportunity to stand up and say no. i never saw one of them do it until they talked to the press anonymously. question plays on what you just said. in the back, there is a sign that says "big government sucks." we've heard a number of previous speakers say some variant of that. but the fact remains, if you look at this country's history, the wars have helped the state. you cannot run a war on the basis of "big government sucks." wars mean higher taxes, they mean larger debts, they mean more government power and they mean less freedom for individuals. it's just of the weight we --
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the way we deal with emergencies when the war happens. that's something we need to think about. mr. hoekstra: yeah. >> i am from fort collins. we are not fighting a military war, but an ideology and -ism. similar to a world war ii with nazism and imperialism. do you agree with that? and if you do, how do we fight it? absolutely.: someone asked me this morning about" "act for america." she gives the wonderful answer, yes is an ideological war. she says it much better than i do. armed mostn is is, -- aren't most muslims
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peaceloving? yeah, most germans were peaceloving, but we still fought a war that cost many lives. many in russia were peaceloving but went through a process that killed 20 million people. most japanese are peaceloving but went through a killing swap across asia. we have to fight the ideology. a protestant from west michigan cannot fight the ideological war. i'm reading about these interfaith dialogues with christians, muslims, and jews. it's like, yes, that's good. you know what they ought to be talking about? let's have this dialogue and let's go help the christians and jews and other religious minorities. that is the issue right now. is not whether you can put a mosque on this corner, but help
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us go save the yazidis in iraq today. make an impact. that is the fight they need to be having. that is what the interfaith alliance is to be talking about. the dialogue is how do we save these people being butchered all across the middle east? [applause] muslims need to be the tip of the spear to take ideology against their religion. >> last question. i want to ask you to do something, but i imagine a lot of us will leave thinking, what
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is going through the mind of barack obama? you don't mindif and tell us what you are thinking. only by watching -- does he love america? i'm not going to get into that. he fundamentally believes that by engaging with the folks that "were enemies of the united states," that because he was president, he would see us differently and change their behavior. no, they did not give up their self interest. the muslim brotherhood wants to destroy us today as much as they did 8-9 years ago, or 20 years ago, or 80 years ago. they want to establish the caliphate. by engaging with them, we gave an opening to make more progress
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in the last 8 years than it made in the 50 years before that. this president wanted a deal with iran the day he went into office. and we got a deal with iran. it does not tell you about the quality of the deal, but we got one. i think we will regret that agreement. they have a deal, and they did not change their behavior. repressions to the victims of their terrorist attack. $150 billion, some which will fund terrorist attacks against israel, the u.s., and our friends throughout middle east. they're not changing the behavior. it's not this -- now this engagement with cuba. what are the headlines about this? "in the face of obama going to cuba, a crackdown on dissidents
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." may give them gitmo. for is why i argue experience, especially in foreign policy. this is really really hard. this president went into it not easily, believing that we change our behavior, they will change theirs. what we found is that we changed our behavior dramatically. in almost all these cases, we asked for no change in behavior and we didn't get it. i appreciate you giving me the time to be here and sharing thoughts with you. i will be here for the rest of the conference. i will be around for questions,
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and you can take a shot at me later. thank you very much. [applause] [applause] cannot on c-span, donald trump campaigns in arizona ahead of the states primary on tuesday. then, a look at whether a broken or contested convention is possible this summer when delegates me to vote on a presidential nominee. later, a discussion on race in america with documentary film maker ken burns, and harvard professor henry louis gates junior. ♪ >> during campaign 2016, c-span takes you on the road to the white house. we follow the candidates on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. ♪
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arizona is a winner take all primary this tuesday for the republican presidential candidates. donald trump in a campaign stop in the state this weekend, holding a rally just outside of phoenix, arizona. he was joined by state treasurer jeff to wait, former governor jan brewer, and maricopa county sheriff. this is 40 minutes. >> look at this crowd. [applause] what a great group of americans that we have today. [applause] jeff dewitt: the establishment has called us the silent majority, and they tried to give

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