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of the case? what happened? peter: this is one of the great experiences you never anticipate. back in 1981, i decided to write a book about these cases, an academic book, really. you have a copy of it, it is called "justice of war." in the research for the book, i learned about these cases in law school in my constitutional law class. we read them. everybody agreed these were terrible cases, terrible decisions. my question was how could this happen, with all these liberal justices to make such a terrible mistake? i started researching it. i came up with documents. in the government's own file, it showed that during the prosecution of these cases, before the supreme court, lawyers had warned charles fahey that the evidence he was playing -- planning to present, that
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there was evidence of espionage, that it was absolutely false. the fbi had found no evidence to support it. they had all agreed there was no evidence to support this. he demanded, he said it is highly unfair to this racial minority that these lies about them in an official publication go on corrected. the solicitor general in 1994, he stood up before the supreme court and said, standing behind every word in light of the military report, claimed there had been asked of espionage and -- acts of espionage and sabotage.
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we found these documents, me and other researchers. we put together a legal team in san francisco, portland, seattle, where the three cases started, and filed suits under a provision that means you can go back to court even if after you have served your sentence, even then, you can if you have evidence the government has committed misconduct. in all three cases, the judges agreed the government had lied to the supreme court. so they vacated them. the decision and fred korematsu's case was a powerful symbol of the fact that we can correct our mistakes. susan: staying with the story. there was a commission created to look into the interment process. they decided to do what? karen: during the reagan administration, the redress of reparations movement started. just before my father's case was
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reopened. through the war relocation authority, they were reviewing how the japanese-americans were treated during the incarceration. when people in my community got wind that my father is going to reopen his case, there are people that were not in favor of that. they thought that if my father lost, korematsu vs. united states, that would hurt their chances. my father, as he said before, said he wanted to go on with this. people took risks. the legal team took a risk. so, but my father was determined to go along with this. susan: ultimately the commission found that the japanese who were interned were found to be due reparations.
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how much money did they get and how was it done? peter: there was an official apology issued by president reagan, who initially opposed reperation. it was interesting, because it is -- his mind was changed by conservative members of congress, including leading republicans, who said this is something this is important and it needs to be done. internee, about 60,000 of the 120,000, we get a check for -- would get a check for $20,000. that's people saying, the government didn't do it, we didn't do it, that was years and years ago. why should we pay reparations? and i always tell people when
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this comes up, if you were put in a concentration camp without charges, put into the desert for three years, how much money would it take for you to do that? no one would do it for $20,000. karen: the money wasn't important. it was the apology. here, these japanese-americans had done what the government wanted them to do to prove they were good americans. they carry that we on their shoulders for years. that was more important than the money, but sometimes you don't get the government's attention unless you talk about money. susan: your father continued his advocacy until the end of his life. he filed amicus briefs. the korematsu institute was formed. what do you do there?
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karen: we teach kids, we provide that for teachers for free. we have no elementary, middle -- we have elementary school, high school, middle school lesson plans. we established korematsu day in california. marty brock instituted a legislative bill that governor schwarzenegger later signed in 2010 establishing korematsu day for the state of california in perpetuity on my father's birthday of january 30. susan: do you get any legal advocacy? karen: i do, and on a personal side, especially on issues of civil rights, when i'm asked to support in amicus briefs, i do that as well.
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susan: we have 10 minutes left. we talked about the implications for today, but let us finish on that note. i want to play a clip from justice breyer. he is talking about the courts reasoning in korematsu and compares it to decisions about guantanamo. it is very much in the news. justice breyer: they thought that, well, we can't get involved. it's the military trying to protect us from invasion. now, we run the war or roosevelt runs it, and we cannot run it. we have to let him do what he wants. now going back to the guantanamo question, what i think is the
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very, very difficult and very important question in this area is, is there a role for the court to protect basic individual human rights, guaranteed in the constitution, in time of war without turning the constitution into a suicide pact? it is not a suicide pact. the president and the congress have to have and they do have in the document, adequate power to protect the country. does the court just get out of the way and say no, it is someone else's job, or does the court make some effort to reconcile these two competing and opposite necessities? in guantanamo, they tried the latter. i want people to understand what it is the court did. it won't be for many years before people know whether the court was right or wrong.
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host: what did the court do? justice breyer: they decided in favor of the guantanamo prisoners. susan: so there are two threads of legal legacy here. korematsu reminds us of racial-based law, and the other reminds us of detention and work -- war powers. i will put this on the screen. harper versus the virginia board of elections, a 1966 case, the university of california regents v. bakke on affirmative action policy, hamdi v. rumsefled, 2004. that was the dissent you referenced. when we look at how it has influenced the american judicial system, what have we learned?
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peter: the decisions we made years ago are under conditions that are different than they are now. what justice breyer pointed out, quite rightly, is that we cannot classify citizens anymore, or any person, for that matter, simply on the basis of their race or ethnicity. that is for bid in -- forbidden by the constitution, the due process clause, and the equal protection process. what we can do is individualize and target protection of the country against specific threats and dangers. for example, if there is a credible threat that a particular person or even a member of a particular group is planning or about to carry on -- out harm to the united states, and this is in the news now with airplane bombings, the
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government has the power to detain that person for a reasonable period. and if they have evidence, they can bring them into court. they will have a lawyer, hearing, they can testify on their own defense. it is the government's burden to show this person is a danger. that could not happen in the interment cases. there was a blanket exception that simply being -- assumption that simply being japanese-american, whether born in this country or born abroad, that you were by implication disloyal to the country. that is the principle that just -- justice breyer said, quite rightly, conflicts with the idea of the guiltless individual in our society. susan: justice scalia never
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allowed cameras to come into his speeches, but we do have his words onscreen to show you what he said. "you're kidding yourself if you think the same thing will not happen again. in times of war, the laws fall silent. that's what happened. the panic about the war, that is what happens. it was wrong, but i would not be surprised to see it happen again in times of war. it is no justification, but it is the reality." what is your reaction to that karen? karen: unfortunately, korematsu v. united states in 1944 is more relevant today than it was then. currently, the lessons in many cases have not been learned. we keep, you know, repeating these mistakes. four justice scalia to make that quote now is very scary.
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that is why it is so important that we teach these lessons of history, so that we do not keep making these mistakes. supreme court rule should not be in times of war, the law falls silent. there is nothing wrong with the constitution, as people try to change it, it is some of the people who try to interpret it for their own use. my father felt like it applied to him, as it should for all americans. susan: another lesson about the court is that people can appeal cases. korematsu got to make it. what do you say about that? peter: you can take your case the highest court in the land. but that does not mean they will hear the case, they only hear about 1% of the cases that are brought up.
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or that they will rule in your favor. getting to the supreme court is the first step. the most important thing is how the court decides the case and what the lasting consequences of that are going to be. i don't think justice scalia was endorsing the interment or the korematsu decision. in fact, he was deploring it. what he was saying is that we are kidding ourselves if we think this can't happen again, or that the courts are going to say no, you can't do it. the court, in the end, is swayed by factors other than the text of the constitution. they are swayed by public pressure, patriotism, personal loyalty, the president who appointed them, judicial philosophies, and all of those things come together in a crucible of intense disagreement and debate over what are we going to do with this society to protect ourselves and also to protect our citizens?
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susan: next week's case will be one in which the courts did up -- stand up to the president, harry truman, during the korean war, when he tried to use executive power to seize the steel mills. i want you to look into a book which has a synopsis of each of the cases. it talks about what happened during the case, from excerpts. on our website, c-span.org and find out how you can get it sent to your home. special thanks to the national constitution center for helping put together this landmark cases series. thank you to karen korematsu for telling us the story of korematsu versus the united states. thank you.
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landmark cases series continues on monday with a look at a case dealing with the steel industry labor dispute during the korean war. united steelworkers of america threatened to trigger a strike that would have shut the industry down and president truman ordered an executive order for the u.s. government to seize and operate the mills. the president was acting without congressional or constitutional authority. you can learn more about landmark cases which explores the human stories and constitutional dramas behind some of the most significant decisions of the supreme court. you can go to c-span.org.
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mr. roosevelt: tonight we are very fortunate to have george takei joining us. the incarceration of over a hundred 20,000 people of japanese dissent 32nd world war. george was a part of that. his own childhood experiences in that program informed the currently running broadway musical "allegiance." his acting career has spanned
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five decades. includes many roles, the first one was his iconic and unforgettable portrayal of sulu, but it includes many others. george is not just an actor. he is an unprecedented social media presence, and he is an activist for many causes, speaking out for the rights of lgbt people and also asian-americans and many others. in recognition of his contribution to the relationship between the united states and japan, he was awarded the order of the rising sun. by his majesty the emperor of japan. please join me in welcoming george takei. [applause]
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mr. roosevelt: thank you so much for coming. mr. takei: thank you for the invitation to be here. enter the japan society, it is always a pleasure to be here and to have a discussion with you, who has written a novel titled "allegiance." i'm halfway through that right now, so please don't reveal any spoilers to me. mr. roosevelt: i will try not to, although i should say you probably know a fair amount of the plot already. i read your autobiography as part of my research, and i found
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it very inspiring and touching. perhaps you would like to start by setting a little bit of the historical context for the audience. the detention of japanese americans is i think not covered in our schools as well as it should be. it is not a subject which is as well-known as it should be as i think there is so much to learn from it. perhaps you could start by telling us a little about the historical background before we go on to your own personal experiences. mr. takei: i am an actor and i know the power of stereotypes. there is a long history of the stereotype depiction of asians and asian-americans in the media and the united states. that set the backdrop for the
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bombing of pearl harbor to trigger this hysteria that swept the country. we happen to look like the people who bombed pearl harbor. all the stereotype images fed by the media, fed into that war hysteria. and there was also racial prejudice, because from the very beginning when immigrants started coming from asia, they were denied naturalized american citizenship. immigrants coming from anywhere in the world could ultimately look forward to become naturalized americans, except immigrants coming from asia. so there was that racial discriminatory background, as well. and that denial was used to deny land rights to asian immigrants. asians coming from asia, naturally, were denied the right
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to buy land, but there was no language, to that effect, in the law. all it said was, aliens ineligible to citizenship were denied land ownership in california. that was first passed in california, then later by oregon and washington state. subterfuge had to be used by asian immigrants did my grandfather was a wily guy. he developed land that was a wasteland, into a productive farmland in the sacramento delta area. he wanted to own it, but he couldn't because of that alien land law.
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he bought it in the name of his firstborn son, my uncle, because he was a native born american. my grandfather -- there's all this history of discrimination is on race. when the war started, there were ambitious politicians who used that existing racial prejudice and combined with war hysteria. in california, we had an attorney general who obviously knew the law and the constitution, but he was also an ambitious politician. he wanted to be elected governor of california. he saw that the single most popular political issue in california was to "get rid of the japs" issue. this attorney general, who knew the constitution, became an outspoken advocate, a leader in
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the "get rid of the japs" movement. and he made an amazing statement. he said there had been no reports of spying or sabotage by japanese americans. and that is obvious, as the japanese are inscrutable. you do not know what they are thinking, and so we better lock them up before they do anything. for this attorney general, the absence of evidence was the evidence. and that kind of political leadership fed into the existing prejudice and war hysteria that swept up the presidency as well. and we were incarcerated. that attorney general one the election for governor.
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he was reelected, then reelected again, it was a record. he became a very popular governor of california. then he was appointed to become the chief justice of the supreme court of the united states. i think many of you may have guessed who he was. his name is earl warren. all that background led to the incarceration of innocent citizens who happen to be of japanese ancestry. mr. roosevelt: it is an interesting question how things like this happen, and you said there were several factors that come together. there is a background of racism, there are some people out there who you could identify as bad actors they are opportunist try to take advantage of the situation, trying to get their
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own economic advantages. and then i think you also have to assign responsibility to the mass of american people who are not going to stand up and say this is wrong. i think episodes like this happen when you have got some small concentration of bad actors, but then widespread indifference. i hope that is one of the things we can learn and a less we could take forward into the future. in this climate of fear, with some people stoking the fires of racial prejudice and war hysteria, resident roosevelt issued executive order 9066, authorizing the command to exclude such people as he deemed necessary. that man, general john dewitt, then began issuing orders requiring japanese and japanese
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americans to leave the west coast. there was no place they could go, and in some cases the orders actually said you can't leave until you are order too. what we do or you to leave, you will only be allowed to go to one of these camps. could you tell us about your personal experience in the program? mr. takei: i was incarcerated from age five until age 8.5. the duration of the war. i remember the tension and anxiety on the part of my parents. my parents got my younger brother, a year younger, and my baby sister, not yet a year old, up very early one morning, and my brother and i were told to wait in the living room. while they were packing in the bedroom.
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it happened to me at five years old, but that morning, the terror of that morning is still embedded in my memory.
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and that was the beginning of it. we were taken to the santa anita racetrack together with other families that were gathered, we were herded over to the horse stalls. we were each assigned a horse stall to live in. for my parents, it was the degrading, humiliating experience. another memory i have, i thought it was fun to sleep where the horsies sleep. so, my memories are quite different and quite unrepresentative of the real experience that my parents had.
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my father told us we were going on a long vacation. and, it was that for me. it was a fun experience to ride on the train for the first time. we were taken to the swamps of arkansas, but the first winter it snowed. i remember how magical that morning was, to wake up in the morning and see everything covered in white. we had snow fights with my father. then he showed us that a snowball could be rolled and made into great big snowballs, and we built a snow fort. those are the memories i cherish. i also have a memory of starting school. we began the school day, every morning, with the pledge of allegiance to the flag.
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i could see the barbed wire fence and the sentry tower right outside i schoolhouse window as i recited the words, "with liberty and justice for all." mr. roosevelt: that is very touching how the closeness of your family and that intimate circle could transform what was a terrible injustice into an experience which was actually pleasant, in some ways. and i suppose, of course, many of the children did not understand what was going on. but of course, your parents did. you know how that made them feel, about the country? because your mother was a birthright american citizen? mr. takei: yes, born in sacramento.
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actually it was near sacramento and was absorbed into the city, so i just say sacramento. for my parents, it was the most anguishing period of their lives. i experienced it with the innocence of a child. i wanted to know more about it because i read civics books. i was 14, 15 by this time. i was also inspired by dr. martin luther king and his ideals, and i was active in the civil rights movement. i couldn't quite really understand how and why that incarceration happened. i had many long discussions with
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my father after dinner, and i must say, my father was a very unusual japanese-american of his generation because so many japanese-americans who experienced the internment as adults and felt the pain, didn't want to inflict that pain and their anguish on to their children, so they didn't talk about it. to my surprise, i have talked to many younger japanese-americans who saw our musical, "allegiance," and came up to me and said my grandma or grandpa were in camp, but that was all i knew because they did not share it. and i learned about my family's history and why my parents did not want to talk about it, for the first time by saying "allegiance." they knew nothing about the
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loyalty questionnaire. to give you some background on the loyalty questionnaire, right after the bombing of pearl harbor, young japanese-americans like all young americans, rust to their recruitment centers to volunteer to serve in the military. this act of patriotism was answered with a slap in the face. they were denied military service and categorized as enemy aliens. they are american citizens, and they were called enemy aliens. some protested, and that was revised to enemy non-aliens. they could not put enemy citizen. they took the word citizen away from us and we became non-aliens. a year into imprisonment, the
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government had a wartime manpower shortage and there were all these young people they could have had that they denied military service to that we need now. how to get them? so they came down with the loyalty questionnaire, to establish whether they would be loyal and serve in the military. the most outrageous question and that loyalty questionnaire was one sentence, question 28, which asked two conflicting ideas. would you swear loyalty to united states and force loyalty to the emperor of japan. we are americans, we have no loyalty to the emperor. we never even thought of the loyalty to the emperor. to assume there was great loyalty to the emperor when we were americans, american-born,
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american education, it was outrageous. if you answered no i don't have loaded to the emperor you were part ofly to the first the city will you swear you loyalty to the united states. then you were confessing that you had been loyal to the it was outrageous question. that became one of the two most controversial provisions on the questionnaire. a lother was anguished by
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of other parts of the internment. me are explained to american democracy. he said is a people's democracy. as great as the people made it. it is this found as human beings are. warren's fallibility was his ambition is a politician. our democracy is dependent upon people who cherish the highest ideals of our democracy and actively engage in the process, and he took me downtown to the headquarters and he says, we volunteered but actually, he volunteered me.
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i just had to go along with it. there i was, working together with the other passionate people dedicated to getting this great who was a personification of the best of american democracy elected, and so that is what got me to be politically active as well as active in social justice movements. mr. roosevelt: the administering of the loyalty questioner, that is many poignant moments in "allegiance." it had a paradoxical, contradictory nature and a most the same way the absence of acts of sabotage, being claimed as evidence to make some concerted move is paradoxical. is there is another paradox in your title, "allegiance" because
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it is about loyalty to the country and yet the whole program and what you are describing is an example of the betraying its people. in fact, the supreme court was not willing to say it at the time, but later wrong, most people -- lit iran, most people agree it was a constitutional violation. -- later on, most people think it was a constitutional violation. within the japanese-american community there were many some people wanted to do everything they could to prove they were worthy by complying with the program, volunteering for the armed forces, by answering the call for the draft.
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there were other people who said, what is truly patriotic is to resist the violation of the constitution and defend american ideals by challenging it. i was wondering if you could say a little bit about that choice and the way it comes up in your play. mr. takei: those that people at -- those that bit the bullet were again outraged, segregated. they were sent out on the most dangerous missions and a sustained the highest combat casualty rates of any other unit, but they also fought with amazing courage and literally heroism and they did come back as heroes, and the most decorated unit of the entire second world war, which that record still lasts till present
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time in american military history, they are heroes and they fought with amazing, unbelievable courage and patriotism, but i consider the resistance, those he described as standing on principles and resisting the draft within a prison camp. their position was a very american position, and they paid a high price as well. they did hard time in federal penitentiary areas for standing for american principles and i consider them justice heroic. we work in a love story where the sister of a young man who goes to fight for this country falls in love with it the resistor and works with the
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resistor, marries him and they built a family. when the man comes home, that splits the family and that is a symbolic split of this family to symbolize the fracture in the japanese-american community which we discovered still exists today. people that were on opposite sides, and because of that paid a heavy price, particularly the resistor's families. there were many tragedies in those families. suicides were committed because of the ostracism they got from the veterans that returned and from the jacl, an organization that plays a part in our drama. that is a real organization that still exists today and i am a
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member of that organization because it became a changed organization after the war. they fought for many rights and improvements under the condition of japanese-americans. the jacl vilified the families of the resistors and there were suicides committed by those families, and that in the tea --enmity for each other still exists today, something we realized when developing our musical "allegiance." there were two kinds of heroes but both of them made incredible sacrifices and that was the price of winning our democracy. mr. roosevelt: absolutely. i think it is one of the greatest tragedies, actually
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that the two sides on this conflict taking such different paths had such difficulty seeing that they were both forms of patriotism and ways of expressing loyalty to america, american ideals. going back to the loyalty questionaire. it was responsible for your family moving from one camp to another. right? can you talk about that? mr. takei: my parents answered no to both question 27, which asks to bear arms to defend the united states of america. my mother had three young children, and to ask her to bear arms leaving her children in a prison camp was outrageous. the question had to be responded to by everyone over the age of 17 years old in the camp. this was asked of a 17-year-old
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young man as well as an 87-year-old immigrant lady. preposterous with no real given thought to it. they answered "no" to those two questions, and because of that we were transferred to a much harsher camp then the camp we were first incarcerated in in arkansas. we were in the swamps of arkansas, and i have wonderful memories of the camp there. it was lush and it snowed during the wintertime. it was a sultry during the summer time we had a lot of fun there. the other camp was a genetic contrast. it was a dry lake and northern california right by the border. the sand there was not soft.
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it was hard, gritty, sharp sand and there were shards of shells, apparently there were snails in that lake in ancient times. it has been a dry lake for a long time. very little vegetation and lots of tumbleweeds rolling around in that wind there. many of the people there, particularly the young men were radicalized by these cruel men. they turned into activists. they became, they called themselves a volunteer corps. they were going to rise up when japan landed on american soil.
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calisthenics and jogged around the block in the morning. they were headbands and some painted the military rising sun with rays in red on their headbands and jogged around the block. they chanted. that is the sound i woke up to many mornings at the lake. another chant and they would scatter. they tried to identify who they were, but they did it surreptitiously, change their jogging time and place regularly so they could not be captured.
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they would stage midnight raids on some of the units in the barracks and young men would be dragged out and taken. they had a concrete jail, which was constructed by the internees and they were put in those jails there at the lake. more often than not, the wrong people are dragged out, and my father was a block manager at the lake as well, and so he had to go and explain to the camp administration that they got the wrong people, and sometimes he was not successful and so he would organize people to go to discuss with the camp administration, a group of people that were going to back him up.
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i do have memories of going with my father to one of those gatherings near the administration building, and the gates suddenly opened and i remember jeeps came roaring in. they were standing with their rifles aimed at us so we all scattered in my father grabbed my hand and we ran like bats out of hell back to our barrack. those memories are not the kind i had in arkansas. they are much harsher. we went back to the lake for our pilgrimage. we have gone back three times. we went through the concrete building, and we saw graffiti written on the walls and we also saw brown stains here and there, and apparently some men were
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brutalized and their heads were smashed against the concrete walls and left to a bloody stain which turn brown over the decades. mr. roosevelt: i thought the description of the lake in your autobiography was one of the most compelling parts of it, and it is an atmosphere you convey in "allegiance," including the stockades in the mistreatment of prisoners. a couple things struck me as so amazing about the lake and it is the way in which things just keep getting repeated over and over again. there is a jail within a jail, for instance. also, the government keeps trying to figure out the dangerous people are, with the bad people are and keeps getting it wrong. although in this case, in the lake, there actually was a
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pro-japanese element. another thing the lake demonstrated to me was at least, you can take a population that is very level, intensely loyal which the japanese-american population was and you can mistreat them and call them enemies and it will eventually make them into enemies, at least some of them. that is something we should bear in mind in the present day. we have about five more minutes or so to talk, and i was thinking, it is an incredible story, a story that should have timeless appeal but it is also a story that has special relevance now, i feel, in light of things going on. i was wondering if you could talk about how "allegiance" to current date events. mr. takei: we found "allegiance"
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eerily relevant to today. especially in relation to the rhetoric on the republican side. there are responsible republicans who have been reminding people of the extreme statements being made, and trying to put those in context, but donald trump is particularly guilty of this broad, brusque sweeping characteristic of a whole group of people with that same brush. if the terrorists of today are muslims, all muslims are not terrorists. there is a small fraction of muslims, and to make those wild statements, banning all muslims
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from coming into the united states is outrageous and un-american, because when you go to arlington national ceremony, the headstones over the people that are buried there have religious symbols of the people buried there, and there are a number with muslim symbols. they have fought for this country and it died for this country and it is really reckless for that kind of statement to be made by a candidate for the presidency of the united states, and so to point that out and to have some fun with it, we have reserved a seat for donald trump at the longacre theater. [laughter] mr. takei: that reserved seat sign has the number of
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performances he has missed from the time the invitation was extended. [laughter] [applause] mr. takei: he has now missed 44 performances. [laughter] mr. takei: he has a lot to learn about american history, and it is really a worrisome thing that so many americans do not know american history and our swept up by this man's rhetoric. it is a commentary on our education and that is why it is so vitally important that we know our history, and particularly the more shameful parts of american history. we learn more from those chapters where our democracy faltered then the glorious chapters that we are exposed to all the time. so, people like donald trump need to know our history.
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the mayor of roanoke also expresses the same types of comments, and i extended an invitation to him and i spoke with them over the telephone as well. he is a charming, southern gentleman. [laughter] mr. takei: he has not responded to the invitation get, --yet, but he extended to me that he has a human rights commission for something like that that extended an invitation to me to come and speak there, so i am serving as an example for the roanoke. i have accepted that -- mayor of roanoke, and i have accepted that invitation. i said to mayor bowers of roanoke, it is time to see "allegiance" is limited. we are closing on the 14th of february, so you better her yet because i am coming to roanoke. [laughter]
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mr. roosevelt: that is wonderful of you. [laughter] mr. roosevelt: i am very impressed. well, on that point, one of the astonishing things to me in this latest little cycle of hysteria and xenophobia, people were bringing up the japanese-americans as not something to learn from and not repeat but a precedence for some of these measures and i thought that was terrible and showed a real lack of historical education and awareness. but this is something that seems to happen over and over again. americans suffered some sort of attack, get scared, overreact, perpetrate injustice, later say we will never do it again but we do. my question to you, and i know this is a day question, how do you think we as a people can get better, as i often quote your father in my book, a nation could be no better than his people, and at what can we do as americans, do you think, to minimize the chance that we will do something like this again?
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mr. takei: our education system has to be more comprehensive, and particularly these important chapters of american history. i personally have taken it on as our mission, from my 20's on i have been on speaking tour's to give universities, corporate gatherings, governmental agencies, we spoke at a museum in los angeles called the national japanese-american museum where we institutionalize the story of japanese-american internment. because as the generation that experienced it and die on, those that did not experience it do
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not share it with their descendents, and it is not in the history books. it will fade away. by building an institution, we institutionalize that story, and by dramatizing it and telling it from the broadway stage, we --broaden that. we have invited teachers, a dozen teachers to come to the japanese-american national museum every summer. we fund this program. we get them to incorporate the chapter on the internment into the education curriculum in arkansas, particularly because it is heart of arkansas history, there were two internment camps there. we need to as individuals and organizations to try to prevent that from happening by ensuring that these stories will be remembered.
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the same way we remember the great heroes of the civil rights movement and all of the events that happened being made into movies like "selma" last year. the death camps of europe has been dramatized in movies, novels and television programs. i think by telling this story, using the media and all of the accesses that we have to make this story in organic part of our american experience, then we can do our bit to keep it from happening again and make america a better america. donald trump's motto is "make
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america great again" but what he is in fact doing is making america disgraced again. [applause] mr. roosevelt: i know i speak for everyone when i say you are in inspiration in this regard, and it has been in honor and a privilege to share the stage with you. we have times for question and answer. i think there are people with wireless microphones on the side. i will call on people who raise their hand. we will start over here.
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>> hello, thank you very much for your musical. i thought it was beautiful and a very important story to be told. however, it has been met with some criticism that it is not 100% historically accurate and depicting the jacl who are actually real entities kind of everything that is betrayed it did happen in the camps, what is your response to the criticism of those entities? mr. takei: "allegiance" is a work of theater arts. we tell the truth by interpreting the truth. for example, most everyone knows van gogh's paintings. he worked off of the landscape but it is not a photographic depiction of the landscape.
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he captures the emotional truth of the landscape he is looking up, the dappled sunlight, the swaying of the grass in the breeze. everything that we talk about in "allegiance" not in that camp or not in that time, but they happened and that is part of the truth of it. and so, it is essentially a fictional story of a family. however, we do use actual facts, organizations and individuals, because the lead actor played a critical part as well as the organization jacl. you cannot tell the story of the civil war without having an actual president of the united states, abraham lincoln. you can have a fictional story
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but abraham lincoln really make things happen, and so he is included in a fictional story. mr. roosevelt here has written a fictional story, but he uses actual people that existed, justice douglas, the attorney general. these are actual real people but he is telling a fictional story. we are telling a fictional story using actual people and institutions and actual facts. we are not a documentary. i know that criticism was made by a documentarian. his criticism discusses the photographic truth. we express the emotional truth of that experience.
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[applause] mr. roosevelt: in the middle here, can we pass the microphone to the man in the blue shirt? >> i want to thank you also. i belong to a japanese-american buddhist temple and one of the offerings in our library is a book called "rice country," and in that book, in the early chapters they talk about the jacl, but they explained it as the japanese-american league and i want to thank you for setting
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that straight, and in my mind allowing me to understand the mitigation that the jacl played in trying to protect the japanese-american population in the internment camps. my question is, i see a lot, the results of japanese-americans trying to stay under the radar, postwar, the buddhist church of america serves and patterns a methodist kind of form, and my question is is there any way around that? i just don't even know. mr. takei: what is that? around what?
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people youruess age. who are, who grew up in camps and in right, they will not talk about it. from my own experience in high school, my high school social studies teacher, two sentences, yeah, it happened area do so what? -- yeah, i -- mr. takei: there are people who do talk about it. my father certainly talked about it to me after dinner. there were those that even challenged professor roosevelt
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about a case. up and challenged the internment all the way up to the supreme court, and failed in 1944. ultimately, the case prevailed, finding fault in the original ruling. made its way to the supreme court. there were those who stood up. that is why we have the history of allegiance. they stood up and said, this is wrong and i'm going to stand up for my rights as an american. they paid to a high price for it. people did take a stand. they did pay a price. the governor of colorado, the only elected official at that
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time to take a principled stand and speak out against the internment. for that, his political career was demolished. he ran for reelection and was slaughtered. so there are people, there is a myth that japanese americans did not take a stand. they sheepishly went into the camps. not true. people did take a stand. others resisted it and challenged it all the way to the supreme court. >> a quick question, did warn ever apologize? -- by the way, you guys were both impressive but i love neeson george. mr. takei: what was your question? [laughter] >> did mr. war never apologize? mr. takei: he owned up to it and
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apologized in his memoirs after his passing. >> i was wondering, what kind of buildings where your descendents put into to get enough food and clothing and whatever? how many people were in one cap and how many buildings were in the camp? what kind of building? was it an old building or what? so many families were there. living in one place.
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mr. takei: there were 10 cap's altogether. built-in military fashion. barracks in a row divided into little units with paperthin partitions. black tar paper, actually. no privacy. we all ate in a massive dining area. we all showered in a mass shower. the latrines were just toilet
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pots in a row. no partitions. particularly for women, it it was extremely mortifying to use those partition lists toilets and bathing facilities. the attorneys themselves built those facilities and it some camps at japanese-like deep hot water baths. so, they made tubs out of the lumber they were able to secure. but it was very raw and primitive. >> one more question. there will be a reception afterwards during which you should be able to ask more questions. second row. in purple. >> mr. takei, how do you feel
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that allegiance is closing earlier than expected and are you planning to bring it back? >> we were expecting a much larger run, of course. but we accomplished so much with this production. this is the first time an american theater history that the story of the internment of japanese americans is being told on the broadway stage. it is a landmark event and this is the first time in american theater history that so many gifted performing artists, asian performing artists, are on that stage using their own experiential background in the work that they are doing. playing full, rounded characters. the kind of characters that the
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audience identifies with to the point where they are literally sobbing with us in the tragedy. certainly, we hear the laughter. during the curtain calls, it is not just applies and it is not spontaneous standing up, it is outright cheering that we hear. the average record of asians in broadway theater is about 7%. that has always been something i have been concerned about, because when i go see david henry wong in a play, and i look around, i see only a light sprinkling of asian faces. asians are not theater goers. we do not support our artists. when you go see an african-american playwright talking about the african-american experience in
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pittsburgh and i look around, i see a dominant african american presence. but with allegiance, that 7% has been magnified and multiplied. we have in average of 37% asian in our theater. so, we have accomplished a great deal in the five months we have been playing on broadway. we are very proud of what we have accomplished. broadway is the epitome of american theater, but it is essentially a new york theater. and, we played in san diego priority coming to broadway at the very distinguished and respected regional theater, the old globe theatre. we broke their 77-your record for both box office in attendance. we have a fantastic record to be very proud of him and we want to
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continue that record and we are exploring a lot of future options for "allegiance." [applause] for those of you have not come, i urge you strongly to come because you will not be able to see "allegiance" on broadway after the 14th of february. so, you all come. [applause] mr. takei: thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you very much. [applause] mr. takei: and, as i said, i am halfway through kermit roosevelt's book. it is a rip-snorting good thriller. i still do not know who the
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murderer is, and i told him when i met him, do not be a spoiler for me. i want to get to the last chapter without that knowledge. buy "allegiance," his book. >> thank you. there is a reception. you could buy my book, you could buy george's cd. you can ask questions. i hope you will join us. [laughter] [applause] announcer: this weekend, the c-span city tour takes you to
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week. she has been one of my idols for a long time. i either want to be in the legal profession or possibly a senator. >> and i understand the need for bipartisanship at times. but i also think it is important that politicians go to washington or the state capital with their eyes on a goal. and they determined to meet that goal, sacrificing it the light of money or bipartisanship or whatever it is. >> we need to get back to constructive discourse, like the one we have here. respecting americans, no matter what their background. and in making this country a more respectful place, welcome to give their opinion. announcer: sunday night at 8:00 eastern on q&a. candidatesidential are in wisconsin this weekend. ahead of the state's primary on tuesday, of next will show you a campaign event with donald trump. followed by a democratic dinner in the walkie with bernie sanders and hillary clinton. and later, a look at how the media is covering the presidential race this election
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♪ sarah palin: i feel like i am at home. i am in the snow again and you guys even dress like alaskans, you guys are so great. it is so great to be here with you. thank you for being here for the right reason, supporting the next president of the united states. [applause] sarah palin: it really is great to be here, reconnecting with family roots. my grandma was born in wisconsin. [applause] sarah palin: my favorite brother-in-law, he is from a tiny town in wisconsin. another cool connection we have, i just got a text from number 64, jerry kramer. he -- yeah, cheeseheads. we are cheeseheads in alaska, we do not have pro teams, so any
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connection we have. one of them, my dad played with jerry kramer in his high school days, so we get to claim, ok, we have a connection with the cheeseheads. by the way, we are on a mission to try to get jerry kramer finally inducted into the nfl pro football hall of fame. we have donald trump helping us do that. you'll get a good benefit from trump with one of your favorite players. it is great to be here. are you ready to make america great again? [applause] sarah palin: here is the deal, you cannot lose your beautiful state to hillary clinton. [booing] sarah palin: hillary clinton is the continuation of obama, her policies, her people, that will be the continuation of obama and wisconsin cannot afford that.
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there have not been enough victories and there will be more victories for wisconsin under president donald trump. you have to consider on tuesday when you are voting for who you want to see representing the republican party to go up against hillary, you need to consider who can beat hillary. remember, obama -- the cruz people, romney and those guys, they were working together and the representation that is manifest, it is not going to bode well for wisconsin if it is ted cruz on the ticket and not donald trump. donald trump is the only one that can beat hillary clinton.
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[applause] sarah palin: you know, because of the state of the media as it is, sometimes you do not get accurate information that you need, do you? sometimes, most times, things are twisted and turned and donald trump's policies are not necessarily reported accurately. let's do a little pop quiz for the sake of the media, maybe you guys can yell out the answers and maybe the media will listen to you and will get some respect for you and report accurately the answers to these simple questions. ok, wisconsin, who is the only candidate that has created middle-class jobs and help americans realize the american dream? audience: trump. sarah palin: who promotes women in his own country and shatter the glass ceiling?
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audience: trump. sarah palin: who relies on not consultants, those guys who keeps -- you keep losing elections, who is the one that ignores all of that political hacking and relies on good advice from strong women around, people like his strong, confident daughter? audience: trump. sarah palin: who does not support the job killing plan from obama? audience: trump. sarah palin: ted cruz supports it. you need to start calling him out on that. thank you for having the right answers for the media. [applause] sarah palin: it is the candidate that has spent decades fighting washington, d.c. as they have shipped out manufacturing jobs overseas? audience: trump.
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sarah palin: who is not owned by those crony capitalists? audience: trump. sarah palin: it is not receiving a government paycheck? audience: trump. sarah palin: who has inspired a movement, which republicans always claim they want to do them for bringing in independents and others who are saying, enough is enough of what is going wrong in the world. we can finally do things right by electing donald trump, who is the only candidate who knows how to win? he knows the art of the deal and in it for the right reasons, never having to be bought and sold by corporate donors that are so involved in everybody else's campaigns?
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who is in it for the right reasons, for you? audience: trump. sarah palin: amen. the only thing standing between you and hearing from the next president of the united states, is me, so i will get out of the way. it is an honor to introduce to you, the next president of the united states of america, donald trump. [applause] ♪ [whistling] [applause]
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[applause] ♪ mr. trump hello, everybody. mr. trump: thank you so much, sarah, isn't she great? how good is she? there are a lot of people here. thank you so much, sarah. we landed and the snow was pouring in, it was so beautiful. felt we were landing in alaska. it is beautiful. it is such an a couple turnout -- incredible turnout. we are doing so well and we are so proud. we love wisconsin, it is a special place. i think that we will do really well. i think that we will do really well. [applause] mr. trump: really well. look at these young people. you know, something i said on the way up and i was saying it before, i am self funding my campaign. i do not know if it is worth it, i will let you know in about a
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year or less. but i think it means a lot. the reason is, all of these people i am running against, the republicans and the democrats, they are not doing it the way that i am. when hillary clinton gets money from the oil industry and all the other industries, when john kasich gets money from the people he is getting money from, they totally control him. believe me. when ted cruz, lying ted -- believe me, lying said -- ted. i have met a lot tougher than him, by have never seen anybody lie like lying ted. when he gets money from the banks, oil, gas, from everything, believe me, they have him. i get money from me. i really am here for one reason, to represent you. to represent you. believe me.
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[applause] mr. trump: and, it is so great. when i come to places. i told my people, let's keep them smaller, because we had protesters. they said, let's keep them smaller, so we can check everybody who comes in. i said, yeah, but i like the big. we have 5000 -- where is the mall? we have 5000 people in the mall, i said enough, let them have protesters. who cares? who cares? we have 5000 people on the other side and i feel so guilty, let's all say, we love you. audience: we love you. mr. trump: but you would not swap seats. i hope you can hear well. can you hear well? and can the mall here well? --
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hear well? i hope they can. this is amazing. look, i am doing this to make america great again. look at all of these hats. we are doing this -- [applause] mr. trump: we are doing this to make, look at that guy. stand up. do i look like that? can you believe it? look at that. alright, it looks great. good job. it is a simple, beautiful theme, "make america great again." we have so many problems, so far worse then you understand. i know the numbers. the governor gave a plaque a year ago when he thought that i liked him.
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i do, he came to my office, he gave me a plaque. i bet that he wishes he could do that over again. i need to show that plaque. i keep saying, no, i should not have brought it. i want to show it. we will be here. i think that it will be an amazing couple of days. i think that we are going to win. i really do. [applause] mr. trump: i think, i think that people are going to be surprised. i saw the outpouring that we had. somebody else was here and they had 300 people, and we have thousands in here, 5000 out there. i think we have more than 2000 in here. i think that we are going to win. let's just see what happens. i know one thing, we are going to dwell. -- well. well does not win -- mean anything. have you ever heard of a man named vince lombardi?
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in this neck of the woods? what did he say about winning? right. [indiscernible] mr. trump: he knows. i met him once and he was with three of his players, in a restaurant. these three players were tough cookies. two of them are friends of mine and they played for your team. they were great players. vince lombardi was not a big guy. he walked in and he was angry, you could see, and he came over to the table. he saw these three guys, twice his size, they could have swatted him. i will not tell you what he did, he actually grabbed one of them
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by the shirt. today, you cannot do that. then he left. he gave him an earful. i want to tell you, this big strong guy, he weighed about 250 then. that is like 310 now. and he left him a stormed out -- left, stormed out. and this guy was shaken. i said to myself, the reason that vince, i have great respect for him as a coach, and i love bill belichick, certain people you need to respect. and i said at one of my other meetings, tom brady is a friend of mine. he is great. nice, right? you think your quarterback is great. tom told me that. vince lombardi, the reason he got away, his winning. if he did not win, he cannot get
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away with that. he would not be a look and get that kind of fear, respect, but fear from a big, strong player. but he won. he had one many times -- won many times. and the respect they had for him was incredible. we do not win. we cannot be isis. -- beat isis. we cannot beat trade, china, mexico, they think we are stupid. mexico, japan, vietnam, india, any nation, name a nation -- they do well. it does not make a difference. they do well, and the more i think about it, the more i realize, they do well for a very specific reason. not that the politicians are so stupid, many of them are, many of them are not, but because
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politicians take contributions from people representing certain other parts of the world, or companies involved in other parts of the world, and they do things not in your best interest. when i say i am self funding, i have turned down more money, i bet that any human being has turned down for political run. frankly, everybody takes money. [applause] mr. trump: and when you think of it, not a big difference. for years, probably, i may be wrong, but the only one would be ross perot many years ago. but, he did not take money. i have turned down so much. people coming up, $10 million, donald we want to give you $10 million for your campaign. $5 million, $2 million, $1 million, jeb bush had $100,000
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or so. i do know -- i do not know if i get credit for it. many people say, i like donald trump, i like ted cruz, that is not a very comparison. i am so much better. [laughter] mr. trump: i would do a summit better job. i will do so much better. not even close, but i will do so much better. you know why, because i am working for you. they talk about working for you, but they are not. they are working for the next election, campaign contributions, what else? who knows what else they take? who knows what else they work for? they are working at a minimum campaign conservation. people come up to me -- our politicians are so stupid, why would they make deals like that? there was a deal recently, a
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committee made an incredible deal and politicians approved it. and people say, politicians are so stupid. no, they are represent by the smartest people they have ever seen, special interest groups, lobbyists. some of these guys, it says ted cruz, the lobbyist, tattooed on their forehead. i can deal with ted cruz. they raise a lot of money for him. and when they need a vote, i am not going to vote for that. you have to, we gave you $2 million for your campaign when nobody else would put up the money. do i know this is the better than anybody? on june 16, i only started this political stuff on june 16, i was before that, a big contributor. it is a system, it is not good.
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it is a system and it is what we have. you have guys -- it says hillary on this guy's forehead. you go to him, you want hillary. you go to another guy if you want john kasich. another guy if you want ted cruz. 100%, 100%, by the way, they will not always get what they want. maybe 90%. there are some things you cannot do. but they get what they want a lot, they are professionals. they are very good at it. so, when i am self funding, i hope people appreciate it. it means a lot, i do not go anybody, anything. i do not owe them. [applause] i do not owe them. mr. trump: and i said on the way
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up, so far i have invested $35 million, something like that. my money. my money. and you know what, it has no impact on me. look, i built a great company, and amazing company with cash flow and some of the greatest assets in the world, worth over $10 billion. i started with a very small loan and created a great company, some of the great assets and tremendously low debt. the reason i tell you that, that is the kind of thinking we need in the country to solve many of our problems. [applause] mr. trump: many. because folks, they have all of those cameras, we are right now sitting on something that will explode and it will be a bad
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situation. we better get rid of debt and we better straighten ourselves out. we have debt on debt, on debt. [applause] mr. trump: and one of the things we will talk about, we will talk about a couple of these things, it affects you very much and we probably have business owners here. we need to get rid of that. we will start with obamacare, that is a killer for you and to the country. it is a killer. obamacare is too expensive for the country to afford and it does not work. for anybody, it does not work. you go 65% increases this year and people telling me that they have never seen anything like it. it folds, it closes up, obamacare will close up. when you have it, it is no good anyways. we will terminate at and we will end up with a great health care plan that will cost you less money and be much better.
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[applause] mr. trump: i love these young kids, look at these beautiful kids. they are going crazy. they are talking about obamacare, they do not know what it is, but hopefully they will not need health care for 40 years. but they are still enthusiastic. they do not like obamacare and hopefully they will not need to worry about it. ultimately, they need to worry about the cost, because it is unbearable. the kind of money we are talking about is unbearable. we are going to end, gore, we are going to bring education -- we will protect our second amendment, we are going to do all of the things you heard me saying. all of it. [applause] mr. trump: here is what i want to talk about, because we are talking about big numbers.
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$19 trillion, we cannot talk the little stuff. there is going to be cuts of things you will not believe. we will save social security, cut all of the fraud. you do not mind cutting the fraud out? we are good to take care of the vets and build the military, bigger, stronger than ever before. [applause] mr. trump: -- [chanting u.s.a.] mr. trump: beautiful, great. isn't that great, when you see young people like that? they are going to be very successful. do not forget, they are after our jobs. they have no choice, they need
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to take it away from us. you will treat us nicely. right? that is the next donald trump, bigger and better. not even a contest. good luck, kids. we think it is fantastic. what about the one in the middle, are you going to be the most successful? beautiful. great. great job. that is what we love to see. that is what we are fighting for. my daughter just had a beautiful, beautiful son. [applause] mr. trump: and, ultimately that is what we fight for. that and the grandchildren, we are going to turn this thing around fast. let's talk about a couple of things. we are the police department for the world and the entire world, many of these places that we are taking care of our very rich. we take care of saudi arabia, they made a billion dollars a day when oil prices were up, now they make a little less. big deal.
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what? imports -- he is right. you never know, is he on our side? xina protester? you are right, though. but we take care of saudi arabia. now, nobody is going to mess with saudi arabia because we are watching them. they are the richest -- one of the richest. they have a fund so big, nobody has ever seen a fund like that. they have oil pouring out of the ground, very high quality oil. they have very expensive oil, very cheap oil to get. so they make nothing but money. if it was not for us, they would not be there very long. they are good people, everything is fine. i have done business with them. but we are losing a fortune. if we had a person like me, like other people in this room, maybe some. not all, right? we have to know strength and weaknesses. you have some people in the room that would do a good job. and other people who would not do good, like people we have right now. nobody could do worse.
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that is the only thing i will say. so, we're protecting saudi arabia. and they are not paying us a fair price. why are we paying rent for our military bases? why do we have any rent? i am not even talking about right, i am talking about really big numbers. so japan, great country. they may cars, sell them. we have an imbalance with japan like you would not believe. we have billions of dollars with japan, they sell us cars and we sell practically nothing, that is a trade imbalance. they are like one of the great imbalances of all time. i was in los angeles, i see these massive ships come in. this is like nascar. you know, by the way, many drivers of nascar endorse trump,
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you know that right? we love nascar. i love nascar. the great brian france. and they do a great job. thank you. but, they endorse -- brian said, i want to endorse you. he did it in north carolina. good place to endorse. right? north or south. it would not be bad up here, either. but we have it. we have so many. not only sarah palin, we have jerry falwell junior from liberty university. from arizona, sheriff joe. how about sheriff joe? ok? [applause] mr. trump: chris christie has been fantastic. dr. ben carson who has been amazing. he has been amazing. what a great guy. and we have so many others, congressman now, senator jeff sessions, one of the most respected people in the senate, who ted cruz thought that he had. he kept talking about sessions and we would say, senator
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sessions, then he announced that he was endorsing donald trump. all of a sudden, ted cruz did not talk about him. a lot of things will happen. one thing we will do is the military bid we are the policeman of the world -- military. we are the policeman of the world. but these are really wealthy countries. not necessarily powerful, because we protect them. and it is ok. and you know what, when they start paying us and we do trade deals, this country is already turned around. this country is already turned around. [applause] mr. trump: because we are talking about big dollars. and lying ted cannot do it. he cannot. in all fairness, number one, they will find out that he is a
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liar. they can't trust them. ok. you know, the evangelicals, they are with me. [applause] mr. trump: the evangelicals -- remember south carolina? that was going to be ted, lying ted was going to win that one easily, because evangelicals -- right? i think it is 68%. let's get going. i think that you guys are only 28%. go to church. those are the ones. go to church. do you go to church on sunday? anytime you can go. do you go? ok, good. so 68% evangelicals, and we won everything. we want in a landslide. we one north -- you once a month. we won so much. to show you, ted, did you see it? i am the only one who can beat donald trump. i have done it many times. i have beaten him five times. like six times. i beat him five times. and he is screaming, he wishes that he had the bible in his
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hands, but he picks up the bible and put it down and he lies. but he said i beat him six times. and i said, yeah, but i have beaten you 22 times. remember the face? [applause] mr. trump: i think we have like 21 or 22 states already, but this is an important one. folks you need to do me a favor, vote. i will do such a good job for you. do yourselves a favor. [applause] mr. trump: you are probably doing me a favor if you do not vote for me, i will go home and relax. so many people ask the question. this morning, i was interviewed by a very good radio guy. not the whack job that interview me. ykes.ame is s
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but some are bad, you know this guy named sykes? listen to the whole interview, everybody who listened to that show would vote for me. do not hang up, take on the enemy. you absolutely take them on. take them on. [applause] mr. trump: but, he is not a very talented guy or smart guy. but the guy that interviewed me today, he was a smart guy. and it was national. radio host, big one. he interviews me and says, we are on the phone, it is early saturday morning and i said, thank you very much. he said, mr. trump, one final question. what? you are worth a fortune, you have a beautiful family, you can do anything you want, why are you doing this? why would you do this? and, that question has been asked of me more than any other question, other than student debt. when i am around students, they joking of the year. they graduate, they cannot get a
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job and it is a serious problem. but that question is asked so much, and i said, i have been so lucky in this country and i have done so well and made so much money, and i have enjoyed my life and i have hopefully some really good years left and i want to give back. i just want to give something back. [applause] mr. trump: that is all it is. that is all it is. [applause] mr. trump: -- [chanting trump] mr. trump: thank you. you know, our theme, make america great again -- we are going to make it so great. but here is what i wanted to explain. we always have a problem, the problem with translation because the press is so dishonest.
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he is saying, you've got this right. but they will put lights went 10th of a sentence in for they will cut you off. i like doing television. sometimes they will show a tiny peas of a clip that is almost worse than what they write. have a new one called tpt. transpacific partnership. it is worse than nafta. it will drain wisconsin. it will drain the united states. we are doing it with various countries all put together. document that i almost guarantee you nobody and our country has read

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