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an officer from the woodrow wilson center talks about the recent nuclear security summit in washington and what the international community is doing to ensure that nuclear material stays out of the hands of terrorists. ♪ host: good morning welcome to "washington journal". with wisconsin preparing to vote this tuesday we begin with politics and pose this question. is hillary clinton a progressive? bernie sanders says he's the true progressive in this race. what is your take on this? if you support the former secretary of state 202-7 48-8000. if you are supporting another candidate 202-748-8001.
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with wisconsin voters where there is a progressive community, we want to hear from you as well. you can go to twitter @ cspanwj. let's begin with hillary clinton. early in the primary season, she has been saying she is a pragmatic progressive, one that gets things done. here is what she said when she was asked why progressives should support her. [video clip] clinton: i am a progressive who gets things done. is root of that word progress. i have heard senator sanders and i have begun to wonder who is left? under his definition, president obama is not progressive because he took donations from wall street. vice president biden is not progressive because he supported
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keystone. senator shaheen is not progressive because she supports the trade act. even paul wellstone would not fit this definition because he voted for doma. we have different differences and honestly i think we should be talking about what we want to do for the country but if we are going to get into labels, i do not think it was progressive to vote against the brady bill five times. i don't think it's progressive to give gunmakers -- it's progressive to vote against ted kennedy's immigration reform. we can go back and forth like this but the fact is most people watching tonight want to know what we have done and what we will do. host: front page of "the washington post." clinton supporters find passion and pragmatism. a quote, "she's a serious candidate and she does not have to entertain me," says a pastor. this is in phoenix. elsewhere, sanders was
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thundering about political revolution. trump was promising to bomb the of islamic state. these were the emotionally cathartic rallies that had come to define this unorthodox political season -- angry, raucous, antiestablishment and in trump's case occasionally violent. rally praisinghe her pragmatism and saying that is what they like about her. sherry in detroit michigan, would you say she is a progressive? caller: i would say so, yes. good morning, by the way, greta. i think she is a progressive in the sense that i think in some for pretty much the underdogs, the oppressed and downtrodden. i think she's concerned about the people. larger societye has written off. the people that donald trump's
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angry white male supporters typically hate. basically people of color, gay people. i think she supports them. abortion rights and gun control, things of that nature. and i think she will try to do her best as president if she is elected. host: what about her ties to wall street, her vote on the iraq war? caller: i was kind of apprehensive at first about her war, but i riraq think i'm willing to try to look past that and kind of look at the bigger picture here as far as the issue she cares about. host:w hy not bernie sanders? caller: i guess in a sense i don really know that much about him in terms of his
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progressive stance. i'm sure he does the same things knownnce most of us have secretary clinton for a long time, i think she is, because of her experience in all these things first is a first lady, then a senator and then a secretary of state, i think she has that wealth of knowledge and experience on her side. host: ok. let's go on to steve in florida who is voting for another candidate. who is your candidate? caller: i'm undecided. i'm independent in florida which means i could not vote in the primary. i'mthe term progressive, confused about where the term progressive came from as a democratic party. theodore roosevelt was a progressive. i would label hillary clinton as a careerist. she will take whatever position
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and track the polls. the triangulation of her husband bill clinton is well known, where you stick your finger and the wind in your try to triangulate the policy. and -- get whatever position is going to get you the most votes. the gentleman right before me summed up the problem by having, i'm a democrat cleaning person. it is identity politics. he mentioned nothing but identities, gender, no issues. issues become irrelevant now. i think hillary clinton is threatened not so much by someone like jim webb that would a blue dogld days democrat or a bow weasel, but now the competition that comes from someone that truly is a socialist that was not even part of the democratic party. in essence, she has no democratic party opposition. host: let me ask you, would you
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ever vote for hillary clinton? you said you were undecided. caller: it depends on what republicans do. i think the choice has to be clear enough that i certainly it will be for the republicans. i'm really torn between the populism, and i do not think populism and naturalism is the path to be, the negative terms that the mainstream press gives it. it hillary clinton versus donald trump, how do you vote? caller: wow. trumps if donald modifies and gives some advice from, i hatedvice to use the term establishment people. but there is something
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absolutely wrong when somebody like the clintons can parlay th eir careers. they have been nothing but politicians and their wealth has become unimaginable. in florida,as steve and independent, does not know what he is going to do. we are talking about whether or not hillary clinton is progressive. an attack line bernie sanders has used to saying she is not. you can't be a moderate and progressive at the same time. there are the phone lines. and wisconsin voters, the reason why weekly or up there, you are voting on tuesday. -- the reason why we put you up there. a very sizable liberal progressive community constituency in that state. so, wisconsin voters call in -8002.8 - let me show you what bernie sanders had to say and new york. here is what bernie sanders has a beautifully said on the
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campaign trail about his vision for the country. [video clip] all over thiss: country people are looking around them and saying, you know what? we should not have more income and wealth inequality than any other country. we should not have the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country. we should not have our people working two or three jobs to survive economically. we should not have women earning 79 cents on the dollar. we should not have young people leaving school $50,000 or $100,000 in debt. we should not have a crumbling infrastructure. we should not be the only major country on earth that does not guarantee health care to all
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or paid family and medical leave. and people all over this country are looking around and they are saying, establishment politics and establishment economics, the same old, same old is not working. at a recent sanders rally in new york which will be voting soon. we're asking your view, it was hillary clinton a progressive? there has been some debate on the republican side whether or not donald trump is a conservative. a question we posed this week. we're wondering if hillary clinton is a progressive. a little history from "the new york times." "more progressive than thou." the word progressive the came into widespread use in the early 1900s when many people thought democracy was failing.
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john rockefeller and andrew carnegie amassed huge fortunes. "at the same time, millions of americans -- theresa, you are supporting hillary clinton in new jersey and you're on the air. good morning to. -- to you. definitely think she is a progressive and her record speaks for her. as far as bernie sanders votes, he is a socialist. i do not know him well enough to vote for him. and hillary, thank you for the many hours you give to us voters away from your home. god bless you, honey. ellis in augusta, georgia
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supporting hillary clinton. a progressive. one thing that bernie sanders said, he said he was tired of hearing something about hillary clinton's e-mails. personally, i am tired of him saying something about wall street. with every speech, he says wall street, wall street. i'm sick and tired of hearing it. it's just like this. it costs a lot of money to run a campaign. and someone is giving you money,, what is the problem with that? because hillary clinton is not -- she has never been bought. wills a smart lady and she make an excellent president, excellent. there is no doubt about it. host: are you still there? caller: yes, i am. host: bernie sanders also points to her vote on the iraq war. caller: let me tell you this. that is another thing.
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dispute on the iraq. war. general powell was duped on the iraq war. when he finally realize, guess what he did? he voted for barack obama. you never hear anything else about george bush say anything about the iraq war. when his office, when he left, he was gone. but dick cheney, he wanted to continue to talk about that. so, what about the other people that was elected that voted for the iraq war? host: let's hear from michael supporting somebody else in new york. who is your candidate? caller: my candidate is bernie sanders because gernie to -- b ernie to me is bringing out issues of importance which is economics. a lot of the candidates that are
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out there that are running for office, whether it be congressional, senate, state races, are not really focusing on economics on how to fix the problem. bernie sanders has nailed it this time. a lot of people need to stand up isd look what this guy talking about because i think all of america is impacted by not having the fairness in jobs and getting ahead in this country and making a living wage. and he says this. and i strongly believe that america has been held back by the republican regime, the establishment. and now it is time for somebody as an independent or a democrat becomes aint, who democrat, and that will transform the democratic party to where he's bringing it today. and i think bernie is g oa good man. i think he stands for the people and not for big business and corporations. host: do you believe that hillary clinton doesn't stand for the individual?
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caller: no. i don't think that hillary's, she's going to be effective. i think in bringing congress together and joining, and bringing the two parties together like bernie will. i'm telling you right now, we have to look at what is really important. abortion, that is an important issue. i believe that, but it is not as important as economics. because we are all affected by economics. host: do you believe that hillary clinton is a progressive? caller: i believe that hillary is moderate and progressive. she has both views. like bernie sanders does. they bring something to the table on both parts, being a moderate or progressive. host: let's dig into that more. this is a u.s. news & world report story. the moderate and centrist labels which true of clinton and her time in the senate when she was a member of the new democrat
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coalition much like her husband's famous triangulation strategy during his reelection campaign in 1996, the group adopted stances from the right and the left and were to be way more comfortable with military intervention and free trade, welfare reform and tax cuts. but the most commonly referenced nominate,nown as dw- clinton was the 11th most liberal member of her senate based on votes. congress, clinton was the left of then delaware joe biden and then illinois senator obama. the scoring also puts are much closer on the spectrum ideologically to sanders, the most liberal than the most conservative democrat florida senator bill nelson. fort go to mavis, lauderdale, supporting hillary clinton. good morning. you are on the air. do you think hillary clinton is progressive? aller: yes i think she is progressive. i think she would make a wonderful president. the good thing about her is she will work with both sides.
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she will bring republicans along. she has proven that from when she was in the senate. she knows how to get along with the other side. they cannot be so progressive -- we are not able to compromise. we have to be able to do that. we have proven, she has fought all her life for small and for the small people. sanders, i like him but he is not a democrat. he is a socialist. he's only now running as a democrat but we have proven also say,-- and i'd he keeps say she takes money from big business and big business. at hae has to realize i'm person in fort lauderdale. i worked for a fossil fuel company. i have donated to her. and he needs to show where one of those companies has caused opposedote for them, as
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to voting for the people. you just cannot throw things out there with no proof. there is no voting congress -- in congress that prove she has voted on the side of big business. he does not have that proof. host: that's mavis in florida. a little bit from the paper, "the washington post." the latest between hillary clinton and bernie sanders. as wisconsin, new york primaries near, sanders and clinton spar over debates. "the presidential campaigns hillary clinton and bernie saturdayraded fire over the timing of a potential debate ahead of new new york primary, reflecting a new level of testing is between the democratic camps --
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in recent days, the two campaigns have traded barbs over sanders is lying over clinton's acceptance of camping contributions from fossil fuel interests. as that caller was just talking about. j.v. in alabama. who are you supporting? caller: i've already voted for bernie sanders in the alabama primary. host: tell us why. he's truly a leader. this country needs a leader right now, not a manager. i think if everything is going great in the country, hillary would be just fine as president. but we need a leader. someone who is going to get health care for the remaining 30 million americans who do not have it. we need someone who is going to stop giving tax breaks to billionaires and wealthy corporations and start sharing
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the wealth in this country with the working people. host: and that's why you like bernie sanders? caller: i do. i'm not really sure whether you could call hillary a progressive or not. she seems to be more of a typical politician, to me. someone who changes are positions based on where she is. alabama one thing in and she says something completely different in wisconsin and new york. it depends on which audience she is speaking to. if she becomes the democratic nominee, i will certainly vote for her and not donald trump yet i think this country needs it to progressive leader. -- needs a true progressive leader. i am concerned about the way she tries to characterize bernie sanders is a johnny-come-lately to civil rights. he was getting arrested in chicago protesting against housing discrimination in the 1960's. when hillary lived in illinois and she was campaigning for barry goldwater in 1964
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elections. washingtonhed on with the reverend dr. martin luther king jr. the side of civil rights his entire career. colombia,ie, kentucky. you are supporting hillary clinton. why is that? caller: i like her. i think she is a good woman. i think she can do the job better than any of the rest of them can. the fish will make a good president. -- think she will make a good president. host: why not bernie sanders? caller: i just don't like him. host: what don't you like, donnie? caller: i just don't like him. he's too old. keys to be doing something else. -- he needs to be doing something else. he's too old. in my heart, i believe hillary clinton will make our best
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president. t.st: all righ we are asking all of you this morning, is hillary clinton a progressive? keep calling in with your thoughts about the wisconsin voters, you get to vote tuesday. what do you think? 202-748-8002 for you. this is been an back-and-forth discussion between hillary clinton and bernie sanders throughout this nominating contest. on twitter bernie sanders quoted hillary clinton "i get accused of being moderate and center, i plead guilty." then hillary clinton responded "if you do want to make it about who is a real progressive @ bernie sanders, what were you on these days?" bringing up his votes on gun control and other votes she's been critical of him saying he is not progressive, especially on this gun control issue. in wisconsin, the primary is competitive.
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marquette law school survey considered the states gold standard had sanders leading 49% to 45%. sanders is leading in that state, 57% to 27% among independents, part of an alarming national trend for clinton up being unpopular with unaffiliated voters who can help swing general elections. that from the state of wisconsin as they get ready to vote there. it goes on to say that both candidates have been advertising, fanning out across the state. the clinton campaign is trying to maximize her performance and targeted districts to ensure that even if sanders win statewide, the two will roughly split wisconsin's 86 pledged delegates. that from "the washington post" this morning. it also talks about the voters there who are voting for hillary clinton. she cannotaying that believe people are going to be voting -- i lost my page there
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on the " washington post." we'll get in more for -- ph one calls. who are you supporting? excuse me, let me push the button. go ahead. taking myank you for call. i have been trying to get through to you for the past two weeks. host: glad you got through. caller: i am supporting bernie sanders very strongly. everybody i can talk to i would tell them about him. hillary clinton is a closet conservative, and so is her husband, bill. and if she's elected president, nothing is going to change in washington. really feel -- i the democratic party has been rather unfair to bernie sanders. he should've been getting a lot more support. and i do hope that he becomes our president. thank you very much for taking
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my call. host: thank you for dialing in. this time.t throug hthih steven in jacksonville, illinois. who are you supporting? caller: donald trump. host: ok, what he think about this question. is hillary clinton of aggressive? caller: hillary clinton is a criminal. this shows the state of our country where the choices for the democratic party are either a criminal that is going to have go to jail before she can reach the end or a democratic mindlist which blows my that anyone would even consider socialism. vote union member and i republican. i vote for country not party loyalty. what will make this country better, not something that criminals that put
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people's lives in danger. hillary clinton does not deserve to be where she is right now. host: the electoral map is a reality check. in recent head-to-head polls with one democrat, hillary clinton, he trails in every key state, including florida and ohio, despite her on popularity ratings with swing voters. "in democratic leaning states across the rust belt, which mr. to return toeed the republican column -- what is your reaction, steven? caller: i think it is a smear campaign with media definitely leading the way to change and sway voters. but it will not work, because the people, at least 60% of the
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country, believes what donald trump is saying. they might not admitted but the polls are showing it. it'she voter outcome proven that the country is sick of being lied to and stole from. donald trump supports his own campaign, does not use contributions, does not take money from donors. hillary clinton is in the pocket of everyone. hillary clinton will be in jail before, she will be in jail by the end of the month. host: that is stephen supporting donald trump. got about 15 minutes left or so in this conversation with all of you. is the former secretary of state of aggressive? want to tell you about some programming on c-span. the top 21 documentaries from this year student cam competition are airing at 6:50 a.m. eastern time each weekday during the month of april. issue would what
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host: that's right. caller: he did not go to that debate. my husband was coming with me. i was going to make sure he was not going to caucus for donald. host: are you the one that says a wife has her ways. caller: that's right. to caucus fore hillary clinton which turned out to be a great thing because his vote actually took a vote away from bernie. she won in our caucus. she won iowa for the first time. i am supporting hillary. i believe hillary clinton is the most ready for this job. who else has been secretary of state, first lady, and a senator? for all of these people who say, ernie, ive,, i do like b would not say i love him. but bernie is not a democrat. of course he voted against the iraq war.
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he was an independent. he has the ability to do that. when his independence for the both it really mattered which was the brady bill, he was not an independent. i hate talking about the revolution. i don't want to revolution. i want progressiveness. we are not revolting against anything. ,e are moving forward together and i believe hillary clinton will do for america. she will move us all for together. and not divide us. host: before you go, felicia, tell our viewers what happened when you called for the iowa caucuses. you center has been was supporting donald trump and you were going to do everything to stop him. when i asked you how you're going to do that, you told us a wife has her ways. so, let me ask you this, he caucus for hillary clinton.
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in the general election, will he still support hillary clinton? guest: yes, he is completely off the donald trump train now. host: what made him get off the donald trump train, besides me? [laughter] it was the first time we were actually having an argument inside household about politics. for all the lies out there, husbands are never going to win that argument. grandchildren and i said you are not voting for your you're notou are -- voting for your future, you are voting for their future. host: thank you very much. gop senators revokes support for the whitearings as house agrees to meet.
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two senators now back the decision from merrick garland. jerry of her reelection in 2016. this is the obituary section, cbs reporter eric who started the fact checking segments for cbs died on march 27 at his home in palmetto, florida. he was 74. the cause was heart ailment according to his wife. he spent 27 years at cbs news. primarily in washington. he covered presidential overseas.and traveled he covered the follow the berlin wall in 1989. in the 1990's, he became known for his weekly reality check
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segments on the cbs evening news. there it is in the obituary section of the "washington post." a mass of gathered outside the at 4:20, the preplanned time to light their marijuana pipes. just past four -- just as 4:17, thees of smoke went up into air. remained onactivist the street owned by the district, which has legalized pot possession, and all the sidewalks, no one was arrested. that happened outside of the white house yesterday. section, the metro treasure retrieved. manila envelopes sat
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in kansas city missouri and had just been fetched from a limestone cave. opening envelope and examined one of the folders and --re was a famous patent there were the famous names orval right and wilbur wright. this patent had been lost for 36 years. the file contained one of the history's greatest patent applications, and until last month, it has been missing for 36 years. it was found in a special records cave in kansas. it should have been stored in a treasure fault with other priceless documents in the archives building in washington.
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when officials preparing for commemoration look for it in 2000, it was gone. experts have been looking ever since. they can see the names of the right brothers -- wright brothers. a little bit from the papers this morning. go toy clinton -- we will any and los angeles. what you think? caller: i don't know. subject youn what are speaking up. when it comes to minorities -- she was with billy goldwater, who was i minority lover. hillary clinton was fired for lying and unethical behavior while on the congressional committee. as secretaryaiti of state.
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people. not help those she pulled out a gold mine for her brother. when people talk about bernie she needs to, remember that jesus christ was a socialist. a fish and a couple of loaves of bread fed everybody. i don't think i would call her a progressive. she is progressive want to come to banks and big business. but when it comes -- i look at .ernie he is trying to bring the new deal back. host: betty, did you vote for bill clinton? caller: oh no. [laughter] oh no. officee clintons were in , one million minorities were in jail. to 2they left, it went
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million. eddie, i want to leave it there. but we will talk about criminal justice reform coming up on the program. i hope you stick around and watch. --rad in oak olive, florida oh, florida. florida. caller: i was a democrat from the beginning, but i switch party to support donald trump. and it you talk to political people every day. is there anyway we can find out how many elected officials have introduced bills for big major companies. see who we can really are in whose pockets. at the end of the day, we would like to know who is really
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introduced bills -- what elected bills forntroduced big major companies. what party introduced bills that helped the needy and the poor? i know you are in a position to do that. they are all taken money. meanwhile, support donald trump. they are getting paid, believe it or not, the people who have the money are running washington. they need to get someone and are not getting paid. we don't get nothing because we don't have anybody lobby for us. all the elected officials introducing bills for the big timers. host: thanks for the suggestion, by the way.
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we are getting your thoughts this morning if hillary clinton is a progressive. in indianapolis, would you think? greta you're at it is a pleasure to see you and talk to you. i would like to talk to you of a gentleman who called earlier on donald trump. it was like a breath of fresh air to hear him talk. thehave his views on situation that is going on. i would like to say that hillary clinton, we all know where she's going, the gentleman commented , i will give it six months were she in zip in jail or she belongs. host: who are you supporting?
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caller: i am supporting donald trump. i had no choice. , are you in new york supporting -- who are you supporting? caller: i am going to be supporting hillary clinton. the reason why i am going to do that is because, one, she is a democrat. i have to agree with many people. is a smear campaign going around trying to slime hillary clinton. these white are going to amount to nothing. e-mails are going to amount to nothing. money is power. that hillary and her will cut into that? yes, i do. there is no choice. it has come to a point where people want to see change for
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the middle class. we are becoming an endangered species. whoi feel like a socialist, have younesty, -- heard from sanders over the last 24 years? he has never worked in the private sector. most of us have. he is by going to give up his pension that is paid for by the taxpayer. he wants to raise taxes. host: couldn't you say the same thing about hillary clinton about not being in the private sector? caller: two to a certain extent, yes. but she has never made a point of saying, i am a socialist and all of a sudden, she has come out of the woods and says she's a democrat. host: ok. caller: i think one other issue is a 1969, the baby boomer generation had to serve their country, whether we wanted to or not. bernie sanders did not serve the country. he was a.c.l.. host: how come i have to leave
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it there. this is from the washington post -- philip writes this, twice for justice. give the civil rights hero the mirror -- medal of freedom. a young african-american woman took her seat on the bus and minutes later, refused the driver's command to give up her seat. history had me glued to that seat. although the details may seem familiar, it is not rosa park's story. she waits for work nine years before parks did. colvin deserves her place in history.
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philip, who is the author of the book about claudette colvin. think she deserves a medal of freedom. own a gun? your kids' doctor needs to know. it has become known as the doc review. potential penalties include fines, suspension, and loss of medical license. the florida case is just the latest example of how the politics of guns have affected
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physicians' ability to bring signs to bear of what experts he is a health issue. that is in "the washington journal." charlene and milwaukee supporting hillary clinton and you will be voting on tuesday. she progressive? caller: she is. she has always been a progressive. i am 55 years old and i marched here in milwaukee. that is all fine and well about bernie sanders. but, bernie sanders is going to in the general election. he is an independent, he is not a democrat. they are want to take the word socialist and they are going to cover the country with the old relationship of socialism and communism. bernie sanders will not be able to overcome that. sarandonng with susan and the rest of these green
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party and so-called progressives, they are in it for themselves. they are not in it for the trayvon martin mother or any of the other mothers about gun control. some of these mothers are backing bernie sanders oblivious to the fact that he voted down the brady bill because he is from vermont, where the majority of white people. he has no connection with the grassroots, only with the fact that he has people now with his ideological aspect of how he is going to get things done. he has walked all over the obama as thetration as far progressive ideals of policies. he has a young people actually believing that he can walk into the white house and change everything. too, but heht that rented to the republican party. if people studied civics, they would realize that bernie cannot do what he is saying.
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not if you are young and ideological, i was that way too, i voted for jfk. i campaigned for bobby kennedy and ted kennedy. i was all into that. but ideologically, if it doesn't work, you're not going to win. you, russme ask -- who is more aligned in your state of wisconsin, bernie sanders or hillary clinton? caller: i think hillary is because bernie sanders is lying. he is saying he is only taking money from the grassroots. it does not work that way. he is accusing hillary of taking money from the billionaires. it does not work that way. billionaires own businesses. people work for those people. and those people are getting money not only to bernie sanders, but billy clinton. if you want to be sure whole policy on the billionaire, go
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right ahead, bernie. there is more to life -- we have isis, we have foreign policy, we have immigration. he is not talking about that. host: ok. charming, i have to leave it there. championing a finance reform when he was msn money to get his feedback from ron johnson and this november election. in thesanders is living polls in wisconsin. he has an advantage there. we will talk about polls coming up with democratic pollster and later we will get an update of criminal justice reform efforts, but first, this week and on book tv and american history tv, our c-span city store visits long beach, california to explore it history and literary like. are:00 p.m., will feature long beach programs together in one block including a story on local residents.
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take a look. in the early years of the ofat depression, thousands american banks collapsed, including banks in southern california and long beach. lifehen you have your savings and a bank that collapses, you lose everything. there was no recourse. there was no federal programs to help. so you have people living in long beach sleeping on the streets, sleeping on the park .enches, lounging for food there seem to be no help. most of the helpless going to younger men and younger people with families. that makes sense and a certain way. so, in the volume of the long beach telegram from september 1933, we find on some server 30th, a letter from a long beach .esident dr. frances townsend he proposed that every american over the age of 60 should get a check on the federal government every month. provision is that you
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have to spend the money and cannot save it. it was an idea of a safety net. it would provide an income for older americans that could spend the income every month and that would generate jobs for local areas. this became known as the townsend plan. in washington d.c., roosevelt in 1934,ation realized 1935, 1936, frances townsend represented a political threat. if you have millions of older americans aligned with frances townsend and his plan for recovery for older americans, that might be a threat in terms of getting their vote. pregnant roosevelt's response was to block the force but offered his own solution, which is the emergence of social security. be sure to tune in to book
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tv and american history tv this weekend as the city's tour starts in long beach, california. you can watch videos if you go to our website at www.c-span.org /citiestour. host: at our table this morning, david winston along with stefan hankin. thank you for being here. the electoral map is a reality check to a trial. in a recent poll, hillary he trails in every key state including florida and ohio. david winston, what is your reaction? guest: when you take a look at the national over he has been losing to her consistently in terms of the last few polls by double digits, it is not a surprising result.
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when you look at his negatives as well, her negatives may be high, but in contrast to his, he is really had some significant problems in terms of that match up at this point. i think that article simply reflects what the national polish showing that if he has a lot of ground to make up. host: could those polls be wrong? at thist is where it is point. this is what the equilibrium looks like. what a change, absolutely. if you have negatives, it makes it hard for anyone. host: what is your prediction? guest: i don't know if i am ready to give a prediction. it is a task for the donald because if you are going to change the equilibrium and you are sitting in the mid-60's, it is hard to get people to listen to what you want to do and change their minds when there initial reaction is, oh, there is a
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person i do not like. hillary clinton has the same problem because her negatives are in the mid-50's. we are watching a potentially bizarre election where both candidates are disliked by the majority of the population. in a survey i have seen recently, a third of the electorate have -- host: stefan hankin? guest: i don't disagree with anything he said. democrats have a built-in advantage from a demographic standpoint. in 2012, the 175% of the minority vote and in order for romney to have won, he would have needed to perform his performance by 95%. since the white vote, the share of the electorate will dip down it will be's say trump, what has to improve over romney, 85% among the minority
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voters in this country. based on his rhetoric, i don't see that happening. host: when it comes to hillary clinton, can she improve on those unfavorables? if so, how? guest: it will be tough. i would be shocked to see her favorables moved in any direction. you either like her or hate her. i don't think that dynamic will shift. proven the fact that she is likely to win that same type upper portion of minority voters and remember, obama only 138% of white voters. 37% of white voters and still win the .lection i don't know how many white voters who voted for obama who feel-like, trump is really speaking to me. the handfulakeup by of paper bullet for truck. -- handful of people pulling for trump. their view of donald trump
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is, somewhere near 70%. it is still high. guest: the overall for women, you are looking at somewhere between 70 -- 70% and 75%. that is a priest doug renumber. mitt romney has a problem in terms of 2012 where he lost women by 11 points. so that could look small in contrast to what we are seeing. the challenge in the trump campaign is that they have to address all of the height negatives to begin to have any chance in terms of a general election success. that is possible, but when you are sitting with 75% negatives, the next sequence of things you need to be doing is coming out will engagee that
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those individuals in a really positive way and instead, you saw things like his response like his response to hedi cruz. host: he did call that a mistake. in hindsight. guest: i saw that. a leaky recognizes a mistake, but there is a lot more things he has to do. every set is a positive step forward. host: what would you -- what would be your advice to change his numbers? guest: he has to come up with positive -- policy that matter to people and understand that -- understandke that this is how you are going to become president and lead the free world. host: calls are starting to lineup. it may give the numbers. 202-748-8000 democrats. 202-748-8001 four republicans. for independents.
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donald trump sitting down for a maybe discussion. the to the courting to trump, massive procession. as a lonehimself ranger. if you read through the transcript of the editorial meeting donald trump did with the washington post editorial board, he says, the washington post has been very, very bad to him, but then he says, robert is a very good reporter from the washington post. perhaps that is why he sat down with bob costa. what you think about the media coverage of donald trump? has it hurt or helped him? guest: it has helped from the attention and the he sucks up all the oxygen. i don't know the exact numbers, but he has barely run a tv ad and is still getting all this free press and has done a master
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ful job at making that happen. any time the attention was waning, he would say something completely off the wall and all the cameras would move back to trump. my hat goes off to him. he is doing a great job in terms of that. tucked to say to the media, you just need to ignore the front runner because that is not how this works. if i can feel bad for some of the other republicans who dropped out, i feel bad because they were struggling to get attention. when you look at jeb bush and the amount of money they put up and did nothing because all of the coverage was with donald trump. he has done a masterful job of pointing the attention on him and his barely spend any money. host: david winston, is there a downside? guest: the way he has had to do
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this, there is a doctoral dissertation of this whole election doing with the media side. the media is facing an interesting moment in terms of what is journalism mean? journalisme of is about getting eyeballs, or trying to relate? you are watching the industry go through this difficult moment. what trump has been able to effectively do, he understands if he could generate a new narrative, he takes over the completeness process. he finds something incredibly outrageous. reporters go, i can't believe he just said this, and they run with the story for two days. then he comes up with the next outrageous thing. he has been able to do is control the narrative. not in a positive way. the challenge to the media is when someone is trying to
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manipulate the narrative and there is no real dynamic of how race, the the journalism has to figure how they define news. --t: donald trump is going he does it down with "face the nation." he says that abortion laws are set and that is why -- and that is what they are. according to a transcript of the interview released friday, he was taped for that sunday program. let's go to judy our first call in new york, it impressed,. you are on the air. caller: yes. i hope the guys in california are still listening. the one called earlier and told a lie about hillary clinton in regards to being fired from the congressional's thing when she
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was 27 years old. that to of mine said me, and i said, no, that is not true. i started to do some research. guess what? complete lie. everything they say about her in regards to the negative stuff, they lie. they just lie! i am getting so tired of it. i am still undecided. i will be voting on april 19. it will either be bernie or hillary. november, it will be a democrat for me. i am so tired of misinformation being told about anybody, especially her. dollarsrs, millions of in investigations, what have you got on her? liesabout fbi agents -- about fbi agents. lies, lies, lies. host: i want to david winston respond to what you are saying. guest: then he go to her broader
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point and that is the logical discourse. let me go to her broader point in the sense of political discourse. one of the things you are beginning to hear from the electorate, that is an interesting point. maybe there is some substance there. even if you think there is substance, that is not exactly the problem. people are not believing that their voices are being heard. we are getting into a political back-and-forth. you can hit the frustration in her voice. i think there is an opportunity to begin to transform what this discourse outside. guest: absolutely. if you look on the democratic 2008,other than obama in we have not run a positive campaign since 2002, maybe. to the democrats and republicans who have done a
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great job. it is no wonder the american thrown off because all we hear about is how terrible things are. it goes from everything from when the job numbers comes out, or what should be good news, and it is not good enough. we are going to go into a recession, like donald trump said. -- it gotten to a point is both sides, more important to try to beat the other person than it is to do what's right for the country or good for the country. we get this 100% negative campaigning going on all the time. it is no wonder the american public is fed up with it. host: paul in williamsburg, virginia, a republican. guest: i am a supporter of donald trump and all i can say
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is that republican running for president that agrees to an interview with chris matthews is a political more ron. [laughter] this is a shame. haveng-class americans been left out for so many decades. they had put all of their hopes into trump, and he has really let them down. view himmen negatively. 70% of hispanics -- i don't see him becoming president. host: but you are supporting donald trump? guest: yes i am. host: what is your advice to him than? -- what is your advice to him then? guest: listen to newt gingrich. he has to change his entire
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and how he politics is conducting his campaign. he needs a more intelligent staff and he has to listen to them. he doesn't listen to anybody but himself. story onl, there is a itiocs website of the campaign managers not going to have the same kind of role he's had. what would you describe it david winston? they were defining the new responsibilities of the national field director, so sounds like a are spreading responsibilities. giving what the caller is describing, there is obvious concern great being newt former speaker, i
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would encourage him to speak to him. [laughter] that was an interesting thorough analysis given the fact he was a supporter. there is one other thing people need to realize, everybody talks trump supporters being lower educated. what the caller was getting at at blue-collar. they are very economically frustrating in terms of things not happening. they are looking for someone who is going to rock the boat. host: is a color right that he cannot win from the blue-collar worker? guest: that gives you 30% give or take. win the to be able to lions share of white voters. womenienating more white
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and not speaking to any minority voters, the mass is not there for him to win. this is completely policy and gnostic. agnostic. 86 delegates at stake. when you look at the numbers, hillary is trailing bernie sanders and trailing him badly when it comes to independently minded democrats. s and the independent general election. how does she go about winning them? has beendependents used ubiquitously between voters. independents, who say that they are independents -- they say i am not with the much ofic party, but them feel closer to the
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democratic party ideologically. not feelingthey are like they are aligned with the parties. and partyologically together. it is more like a holistic view of it. we are down to 5% across the country are actually in between the two parties and don't identify with either party. we are fighting over table scraps at this point in time. anything you see with what is happening in wisconsin with independents is meaningless when it comes to the general election. with wisconsin, even if sanders wins, but it didn't seem like he will win by that much. loss.n lesson 50% is a andill do fundraising reclaim momentum. if he is not hitting that 60%
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threshold, it does not matter. host: david winston, democratic pollster and stratus it -- democratic pollster and strategist. people see on election night? thet: people are sort of cranking the numbers. you never know what could happen. megyn kelly went back into the room with the analyst crunching the numbers. guest: we have a good understanding with our broadcasting and they are quite happy with what we have been doing. host: going to david and west virginia. caller: how are you doing this morning? host: we are doing fine.
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what is your question or comment? isler: my first comment he definitely -- understand what the poorest are all about. if you do the math, we are not making with the minimum wages. hold ont obama put a cost-of-living wage because of gasoline prices. raise,ey give you a $16 they took $20 from the stamp program. and i want to address the marijuana law. in the states where marijuana has become legal, there is a natural decline on the heroin epidemic across the united
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states. it is a class one cap with classn cocaine -- it is a one narcotic. host: we are going to have that later on washington journal. i want to stick with what you are saying. that is a message bernie sanders hits on repeatedly. we heard from a viewer earlier saying, he is talking about the economy and the other candidates aren't as much. thing we ares one seeing on both sides. our economy has been shifting for a while and now it's really moving and we are moving away -- manufacturing has been moving away and the types of jobs coming back tend to be much tech jobs. there is areas of the country like selfies ohio and west virginia -- there is areas of
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the country like in ohio and west virginia where plants are closing. every time you have a group of people who feel like the economy is not bringing them along with them, that anxiety is showing itself on both sides. look at exit polls, it seems to propel donald trump and bernie sanders. do you think the part -- do you andk the politicians lawmakers are up for reelection, are they paying attention to this dynamic? --st: look, every politician they are going to pay attention if it is advantageous to them. toit is not, they are going give lip service. the one thing that we are not doing really well enough is making sure there is a softer
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landing, or taking people in these areas -- the coal mine shut down and it is unlikely that another one will open up. what can we do in terms of training and education to let you get those jobs that are out there? that is something that is to be addressed more. guest: what is interesting about is thisders and trump working-class angst about the economy on a significant scale. sanders has the same element of "rock the vote" doing something for someone will do something to make a difference. you see certain candidates being -- ohioe on republican is really focused on the economy. are working to make it issue happen. is i think the other element
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the political discourse has been "rock the economy in the the vote" sort of moment emerged. where the two parties were fighting the most was attracting the most attention. host: raymond's next in ohio, independent. hi, raymond. hello. i am independent. i can't believe people don't get the point that a democracy -- that it is a democracy government. trump represent 1% or 2% of the people? we're not billionaires. i support bernie sanders. he represented his people in vermont very well. i wish he would get with elizabeth warren and really have a ticket. this would really get to the people. i mean, she can move things with wall street, she knows that
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facet of it. he wants to do that anyway. peopley believe that must vote who represents them, not some billionaire. host: ok. hankin, how do you feel? guest: the average income of congress is through the roof. ideally, great. sure, but even the way the country was set up, it was not meant to represent everyone. the wealthier landowners were the people set up to be representatives in washington. we have a solid history of putting people who don't necessarily represent working-class people. but, it is interesting. had, it isll we have anxiety over the economy. that is driving a lot of people to vote for donald trump.
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it is a very interesting dynamic that is happening. we have not had an election like this ever, which i think, anyone who says they know except the what is going on, is line. [laughter] it is a week by week of changing and evolving things. guest: when you think about both parties, both parties at this point are taking the leading person who has the highest negatives of the electorate are the leading two at this point. here are two people who you dislike them most, and these are the options you have. i happen to think the middle is larger. this election will make that middle even larger if you have one out of three people having an unfavorable view of both candidates. what are they supposed to do? what other choices?
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-- what are their choices? we had been seen this problem emerging over the years, but this campaign is clearly shown that the way political discourse is done is just poor at this point. he you are you jeb bush trailing donald trump and your reaction is to dump $30 million of negative advertising on marco rubio. how long did jeb bush the in the race after that? generalat happened in a election and donald trump and hillary clinton are the nominees? are people going to the polls , propelled by, i guess, hating the other person? guest: i don't know the answer to that. it will make it incredibly volatile. in that particular case, it depends on the tenor of how they react to each other and how they engage.
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can someone create a narrative around issues of that point that people can get confidence around u? it will make for a very tumultuous start. host: back to calls. you're on the air. caller: thank you. i don't think this country is who hasr a donald trump so much support because the media gave him $1.5 million in free advertising and sold him around the clock. on the other hand, you have hillary clinton who has more baggage than the boarded airport. here is the thing -- nobody explains to the american people what is a social democrat. a social democrat is, we have a capitalist economy, but all of our programs are social. whether it is social security, medicare, medicaid, unemployment , parks, police, firemen,
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museums, unemployment, whatever it is. those are all social programs. that is what bernie sanders is all about. youngeep saying it is people. no, it is not young people. i am 73 years old. there are as many elderly and middle-aged and young people supporting bernie because bertie is the future. bernie has a record of speaking for working-class people all his career. host: that is elizabeth who is a democrat. bernie who is a republican and howard beach, new york. caller: good morning. i want to address the issue of polling in general. i understand that polling is an important function for the campaigns. that polling done by professionals and some by
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papers. whati don't understand is benefit does it have for the voter to be seeing these polls come out on a regular basis? so, why is it good for the voter? host: ok come we will take that question. stefan hankin, you can go first. guest: i thought bernie sanders was calling in. [laughter] i certainly believe there is too much infatuation with the horse race when it comes to polling. but thatame the media, is what the reports tend to be on, who's up? who's down? 99% of our polling is something other than the horse race. when we always say to our clients is the horse race is the least interesting question, but
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it is all we tend to talk about. it has put us in a situation that it is like, who is up by one? who was up by two? it is taking away from our discourse that we are not talking about issues anymore. as, is thisramed going to help in the polls? problem that on a is a pretty existing. i would like to see less public polling and a lot more private polling. obviously. part of the problem we had been having with public polls is there some good, some bad, and they get thrown in together. that is why we have seen a lot of problems with races being called very poorly because it is fly-by-night stuff happening on the cheap. you need to be spending the time and money to get it right. wesson, can i ask you what is the most interesting
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question? very. second it depends. at is issueto look handling. then begin to build through what is a mindset, believe system that a voter has? going back to stefan's point of how the media looks at campaigns. getting the horserace numbers is important because it gives you a sense of political strength. here is a person layout ideas and what is the reaction or the narrative they are trying to do? having said that, what there is not a clear understanding is -- every poll defined and equilibrium. this is where things are today. then the challenge is how do i change this equilibrium? there is never a discussion
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about that. there is a whole potential equilibrium change that john kasich thinks he can do. is, thispresident does is where it is today and this is where it is what to be. that is why the caller is frustrated. host: lots of politics is always discussed on this sunday. the rnc chairman will be making the rounds today according to the hilton newspaper talking about the upcoming wisconsin primary. abc this week has bernie sanders to talk about recent squabbles with hillary clinton over a debate. -- debate that may or may not happen in new york state. include governor john kasich. andld trump is taking
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interview for "face the nation." he told them that abortion rules are set. press," -- the new york, hi, good morning. remind their viewers if they miss the sunday shows, you can listen to them on c-span radio started at 12:00 p.m. eastern standard time. name is sundown, i am an independent voter. the reason why i am an independent voter is because i am tired of the two-party system. i am disappointed in bernie because he became a democrat. hemp become a democrat, i think
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it's hypocritical. beyond that, the fact that now he is a democrat, he is raising all of these millions when he was asked to give his money to build a stronger alliance to other democrats running for the senate, state, or some little office. he said he was not willing to give the money out because his prime goal was to make it to the primaries. but, he is ok with hillary raising money to help these other candidates out. i think that that's phony. host: ok. stefan, i will have you respond to that. but first, bob and pennsylvania. i am a very, very, very frustrated for this year's
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election. i am a trump fan. where shes not know is going. i know that lady from new york calling hillary a liar. it's true. morning andery catary is like the chesire when she speaks. she looks like the cat from alice in wonderland. i'm retired now. did not expect to be so soon, but i am and i am limited to what i can do. the government put those limitations on us. we need the government to stop this stuff. i am so irritated. i don't know what to say. i am not as articulate as most people are. host: it's ok. i will have david winston jump in. guest: let me start with the tone of what he was saying. this is part of the challenge of the political system.
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people who don't believe their voices are being heard. because of that, how do they engage? they are not sure how to. what they are doing, and what i think he is doing, is picking someone he things will shake things up as much as possible. that is what he thinks should happen. challenge ofhe other candidates in moving forward, they need to think through, do they have that compelling idea that is going to make things different in this country, or are they simply trying to get into office? what the electorate is saying is that they want to hit that compelling idea, and we are not hearing it. hankin, with that caller who was saying, bernie sanders is now a democrat. he is an independent senator from vermont. is that a problem for him? we heard support as for hillary clinton. i don't know him, is another
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phrase we have been hearing. guest: i don't think it will be a problem with supporters for him. the numbers are hillary is a likely nominee on the democratic side. it is tough to see that that will change. the question on the democratic side is more, how many of these burnie people are out there? are they really willing to stay home if trump is the nominee? that will be the interesting dynamic going on. i think the number of people in that category are pretty small. it is interesting that those two callers. we hear this all the time. i am sick of the two-party system. we need a third party. but, we need a third and a fourth party if you are to go down that road. we had two parties -- two callers who were independent and sick of their parties. they need to be independents to the left and right.
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much more into a problem intrigue type of system that other countries have. moreen we get into a political type of system that other countries have appeared the party system has to be built from the ground level. it will not be coming from a presidential candidate. if you want to blow up the two-party system -- people in that mindset need to focus on the local level and get a viable independent party going locally. then start building moment on that to bump up to higher levels. tampa-florida. caller: hi, am i on the air? host: yes. go ahead. caller: i have tried to call for years and this is the first time i have gotten through. thank you. i have from -- i have been hopping from station to station
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listening to all the stations. one of the things that bothers me the most, and it is about the media, about you guys, about the people the way they speak. all i hear is the word frustration, hate, disgruntled is -- it started from you guys, you know? thinking we are out of control and everything. through7 people to go and i think i am leading toward see -- the upper part, what -- host: what is your reaction to that call david winston? guest: it is a person who feels
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is engaged from the process. look, in terms of as the party goes forward and in terms of thinking through the next couple of primaries, the one thing you keep seeing from several months ago at least in terms of these candidates beginning to identify a clea clear pattern. john kasich has managed to not engage in that sort of campaigning. he has tried to stay positive as he has described it. you can say he is one of the last three standing at least. maybe that is a reflection of maybe you can at least get your ability to move things forward based on that, but i would say he is pretty atypical of the rest of the field. host: delegates in north dakota
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in a new role of relevance. those delegates plus three public ones do not have to declare their nomination before july and they are free to change their mind at any time. let the brokering begin. guest: the convention question, mp comesn terms of tru into it with more than anybody else but not with the amount needed, so what happens at that point? this is what that team needs to work through. the question of the convention is not necessarily so who did the best in the primaries and therefore who should win? it is given this political situation we have been handed,
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how do we ensure there is a republican in the white house? the question he has to answer is why is he more likely to win against hillary clinton than john kasich or ted cruz. the problem in his argument at this point is, john kasich in many polls is leaving. ted cruz is tied. he is the one losing by double digits. if he is asking the convention to basically elect hillary clinton president, that will not happen, and that is the question being posed to the donald trump campaign. how do they not let that be the narrative of his candidacy at the convention. guest: i agree with everything david said. becomes, and i am just getting my popcorn machine ready because this will be i woulding, but argue that the white house is a longshot regardless of who is on
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the ticket. what is more important? is in keeping the party together? is is holding onto the said it -- is it keeping the party together? is it holding onto the senate? if they go with the most electable or will be better for the people running for senate on the republican side, you will pick a candidate like let's say john kasich, who will make it much easier for the senate. ted cruz's supporters will be apoplectic. 30% going to donald trump if he runs as an independent, which leaves the white house illegally off the table. -- completely off the table. i don't know if the party can come back together again after november. democrats in plenty of problems on our side, but this is one
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year i am glad not to be dealing with it. guest: the permutations here. there is theirs, and then there is this, and that is one. there is a whole other possibility. if there is no resolution between the three, then where do you go at that point? how you get a group of people to decide, ok, here is the right person who was not one of those three. the purpose of the convention is to put somebody up who is going to win the white house, right? it is for both conventions. that is what they are both supposed to do and that is why you are not bound all the way through. you have a responsibility to work through the situation. host: back to calls. jacklin in pennsylvania, a republican. hi there. caller: hi. how are you? host: i am doing well. caller: i am hispanic and i am
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considering voting for donald trump. it scares me to death when i what i hear and what is going on in this country. ie reason being is that realize how the democrats and republicans are becoming the one-party system and the millionaires are turning the is.try into what it they change the constitution. the people have equal pay. when i hear equal pay from bernie sanders and hillary pay.on, $15 an hour, equal everybody will begin to spend money and everybody will stay down in poverty. host: and i ask you where are you from? caller: columbia. from columbia. yes.
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frome followed politics 2008. that when just like obama was running for president. is a huge concern the all please, think about it. learn about your candidates. learn what they do. who supports them. host: ok. let me get into the democrats. caller: how are you doing this morning? host: doing fine. good morning to you. go ahead with your comment or question. caller: my question is i cannot figure out why none of the news people are talking about the fact that the republican party just banned guns from their convention. the republicans in the nra have
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been running around the country telling everybody that gun-free zones are the reasons all these shootings are happening, and the republicans just banned guns from their convention. host: any thoughts on it? guest: what that is is not an rnc call. candidates have secret service. secret service makes the call. whatever the secret service says, happens. charleston, northh charleston carolina. i am an independent outside looking in. --caller: i am an independent outside looking in. out republicans are coming in record numbers and they are coming out more to the primaries. pretty soon, you can start
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counting electoral votes. i know if this is a good indicator of what people would do in november, but we know michigan had more republicans turn out in the primary in virginia did. we know they both voted blue in 2008 and 2012. florida, trump. outnumbered democrats. i don't know if that is a good indicator they will vote red or blue in 2016. it may be a good indicator. here is my point. in the convention, you want to put something out there who can be democrat, right? ted cruz is selling this lady is the only person that can beat hillary. i have talked to people that say if they pull some legal shenanigans at the convention and ignore the will of the voters, republican voters to come out in record numbers, they say they will not vote in 2016. bay city will stay home.they don't like it
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-- they say they will stay home. they don't like it. david, how will you overcome that in november? guest: a couple of things. in terms of the turnout, it is unclear why the turnout increased. republican party was quite happy. one, you have a lot of candidates doing a lot of get up and vote efforts, but also when you took at the level of interest that donald trump has sure one theam not riau does the other so it is not clear. host: it is a combination? guest: probably a combination of both. because of the personality and the amount of tv he got, which was huge, and the number of turning out the vote, you would expect a larger turnout, so from that perspective, it is a combination of both. talking about the convention in terms of describing it as legal
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things that might be done, understand this is a guy who built his whole premise that he can make deals. he will have to make deals with democrats. these are people within his party.if he is short and cannot make the deal that idercuts his basic premise, go back to the point of the convention. is to work through who will elect the person or nominate a person who is most likely to win. why would say to the listener is how does donald trump go from being down double digits? what can he do to move that number because if you can move that number, that is his chances of winning the convention significantly. host: that unit in florida is a democrat. good morning to you. florida and a democrat. good morning to you. caller: i almost forgot what i was telling about. i have called for three years,
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but the separation of the polling, all of that is so ridiculous. it is terrible. hillary, i love her. she should have gotten it last time. the primary in florida when they decided to use campaign tactics of votes from senators and all these people, she is using it again now and only republicans are, squawking about. i am a senior. i am a widow of six years, married 60 years. what is mentioning is the seniors. they don't realize we are paying for medicare and social security. now i am being hurt because anything we had, they have to remember we are not getting anything on our savings. not even 1% at the bank. even our iras are being changed because of this economy. they are not touching the
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people. this is so ridiculous. i am really hurting. i just came out of rehab, and they were trying to make me pay over $2000 of what they call co-pay for what medicare decided to not pay them. host: ok, diana. again, it is with the theme of the anxiety we are hearing and it comes from different angles. this is what we are dealing with. back to david's point on the caller about the convention. thingally interesting that the republicans will have becausee out is again, every decision has a potentially and what are we willing to risk in order to do y?
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person on theable ticket, but there will clearly be many donald trump supporters who if he is not at the top of the ticket if he goes in with the most votes and delegates who will just walk away. that has repercussions at the top of the ticket and down. of -- it islot almost like choosing between a lot of bad options. i said this before, but we are in uncharted waters. we have not seen anything like this arguably for 100 years and even going back to some of the other brokered conventions, this is a completely different animal. host: we would take one last phone call but before we do this, i want to share this with you. a $.5 million, the amount of money spent on wisconsin advertising money by candidates and outside groups. 84,000 is the amount spent on the cable system by clinton and
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sanders for ads during the ncaa tournament. share inhn kasich's the wisconsin media market. 69% is bernie sanders's share among voters under the age of 45. 85% is the voters paying quite a lot of attention to the presidential election. wisconsin voters will be casting their ballots on tuesday. john, texas, independent, you are on the air. caller: yes, ma'am. i would like to ask the posters or whatever they call themselves about the superdelegates. -- iare already telling us stay on the computer a lot wanting this, and they tell us it does not matter who we vote for. the superdelegates are going to make the decision in the end. host: ok. we will have stefan hankin take
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that. hour, we we had one can describe how our process actually works. the democrats have added this other layer of interestingness we will call it on to how we are picking the nominee. in superdelegates were put during the 1970's to ensure an upstart cannot go in and get a situation where we have a completely unelectable person at the top of the ticket. bernie sanders is a superdelegate, so it is a little odd. he was complaining about it but now he is saying that is his path to the nomination. i find it difficult to believe and i think this is a 0% chance but bernie came in with more delegates and more votes that the delegates would still skip over him and put hillary at the top of the ticket. that we have a situation like with the republicans of what are we doing here?
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what is the most important thing? when we willing to give up to have hillary at the top of the ticket? -- what are we willing to give up to have hillary at the top of the ticket? i don't think this year that it will really happen. voters will come in with a clear -- she will have a majority of the delegates". -- delegatesa and votes. it will be straightforward. host: what are your thoughts coming up from the candidates themselves? guest: wisconsin is this first step. cruz as aike i lead -- has a lead over donald trump. you go to new york where donald trump should have a significant advantage. if trump is below 50%, then proportional.e is
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you get to the next week with pennsylvania and john kasich has the lead there. three ings will provide the path. we will know if it is a contested convention or not at that point. you still have 172 delegates in california, which will be huge. the other thing to begin to look for in terms of watching this is watching the candidates position for this convention and the language you will begin to hear is along the lines of what john kasich will be saying that a vote for donald trump is a vote for hillary clinton. donald trump will say look how i changed things. what you will get is pretty precise narratives as people begin to go through what a contested convention looks like. guest: on the democratic side, bernie sanders needs 60% of the delegates and votes, so moving away from when-loss and what percentage is he getting.
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if he is well off of that 60% mark, that number keeps going up. even if he wins wisconsin, which depending on what will you look at, he could win, but it will be close. a close win is a loss for sinners. if you will not win big in wisconsin, new york, pennsylvania, is over. -- it is over. host: stefan hankin, david winston, thank you for the conversation. guest: great to be here. host: that wraps up our political conversation. we will turn to policy issues here on "washington journal." holly harris will join us. we will talk about criminal justice reform. hosts 50esident obama nations in the last nuclear security summit. we will talk about what the world leaders agreed to. first come our guest on newsmakers this week is david
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mcintosh. they have spent $1 million on anti-donald trump at. -- ads. it talks about the strategy as it looks ahead to wisconsin. new york, pennsylvania. next andve new york then several east coast states the week after that. we are looking at new york to develop the strategy. the margin there is so large you have to concede donald trump is likely to win. giving them below 50% at that point, ted cruz or john kasich can pick up different congressional districts, and they would only delegates there. essentially, we are now in the phase of the delegate race. donald trump has a lead. ted cruz is on his heels in second place. john kasich is very far behind. keeping donald trump below the majority is the key strategic
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goal right now. >> when do you anticipate you will spend some money in new york? >> how much where and how to do it. we are trying to map through california, the end of the primary. that is a huge important state. it is the winner take all at large for the statewide tally and then congressional districts beneath it. indiana is along the way. donald trump has had a lead in the past. from holding this week, he and ted cruz are neck and neck. that is an opportunity for ted cruz to take a winner take all state. >> can you explain why the club for growth does not like the donald trump candidacy? >> before we get to the horse races and all things, we look at the candidates, the major ones the cycle, and a 10 page paper on the economic record. that is our set of issues.
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where are they on taxes, government spending, regulation, free-trade, school choice. many of the candidates have sterling records. ted cruz, marco rubio, ron paul at the top. jeb bush has a very good economic record. with them looked at donald trump -- we then looked at donald trump. for 20 years, he has spoken out on a lot of policy matters. he proposed that one point the biggest tax increase ever. host: newsmakers with david mcintosh, the president of club for growth. you can see that today at 10:00 a.m. eastern time and 6 p.m. on c-span. you can also hear it on c-span radio. newsmakers is available online at www.c-span.org. we want to welcome to our table holly harris, the executive director of u.s. justice action center or to talk about criminal justice reform. let's get an update on where it
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stands because we heard from obama that he would like to do in. where is the legislation? where are the changes? guest: we are hopeful. it a good sign that both leader mcconnell, who he to as the godfather in kentucky, where i am from, and speaker ryan have said that google justice reform legislation is worthy of floor criminal justice reform legislation is worthy of floor time. we feel like the legislation but judiciary chairman, we feel like that will go to the floor very soon and that speaker ryan has said over and over and over that criminal justice reform legislation will be good to the floor of the house of representatives this year. we are hopeful. host: on the senate side, who are the players? guest: kevin grassley is a real driver. senator cornyn has been amazing and of texas. texas set the gold standard back
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in 2007 for reform. the grand idea for our organization, which is the coalition.artisan if you can get these organizations, these eight organizations from the far left to the far right that rarely agree on anything to work together on criminal justice reform, we could show lawmakers across the country and the federal level that you can do this also. i think we are seeing real success at the federal over and would love to talk about our success. host: will talk about that. what is the senate proposal and how is it different were the same from the house proposal? reforms for your lower-level nonviolent offenders
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and then there is backend reforms that allow for earned credit for inmates that participate in reduction programs. the house site is a bit different. -- chairmanatte is goodlatte is living and over criminalization bill. there is a reentry bill, which we think is great. for does not get enough attention at the federal level. most of the focus is on senate reform. proposals are comprehensive. they are moving piecemeal. different method in the senate and house but we remain hopeful based on comments from leadership. host: president obama has spoken about doing something as well.
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how rare is the ecb president of the united states and the speaker of the house who to talkgree on anything about reform? i think we are right there, and we are so close to i think a very symbolic moment. this will be the first on congress has turned away from the field policies of the 1980's and 1990's that has exploded our jail population. this stuff is not working. host: what is the political reality in an election year? what have you heard about getting something? one is the timeline? =-- when is the timeline? guest: congress comes back from recess shortly. we hope you deal will be struck and legislation will make it to the floor, and that is imminent am a meeting within the month.
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the goal is for it to move this year. i don't there are those that say if the deal is struck and the legislation is not as impactful as we hope, perhaps we should wait. i say absolutely not. the symbolism of congress removing the stigma of legislating in this space and turning away from become policies of the 1980's and 1990's, i think that can be an incredible step forward for this country. host: what has president obama done on his own? guest: he is meeting with leadership, i know there is a lot of important issues. host: what has he done and what can he do as president? guest: he used his clemency power. whichlemented been a box, is not that groundbreaking. there are a lot of conservative governors across the country who have done that. hasrnor kasich out of ohio been a real champion on criminal justice reform and speaks about it on the trail. governor deal georgia really
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really has done credible work. governor fallin from oklahoma in the last few weeks implemented ban the box for her administration. we are so pleased to see the president follow suit. host: holly harris alluded to this, but the reason why there is bipartisan support for taking action on criminal justice reform is because of the numbers. 2.3 million american adults incarcerated. one in 100 behind bars, the highest of any nation. it costs taxpayers $80 billion a year. with all of that on the table, dial in. tweet --o send us a and you can also send us a tweet. we were ge will get your calls n
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this. 30 days, 30 states campaign. explain what that is. guest: roughly 30 states have implemented some sort of criminal justice reform. today, we are highlighting new hampshire. we started out with ohio. governor kasich has done some impressive things. bill is work on a huge that will hopefully drop this ball. the goal is to show congress, which unfortunately works at a glacial pace, that the states are already moving forward on reform. these are happening in your backyard, and we know that they were. not only do they make our system fair, but they are lowering crime rates. i like to mention some data. 10 states over the last decade that will significantly reduce their prison revelations saw a 13% drop in crime. 10 states that most significantly increased their prison population only saw an
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8% drop in crime. this is not just about injustice for individuals who committed crime. it not making our communities safer. the goal is to say to congress this is happening in your backyard. let us move this forward at a federal level. host: how do you do that and make sure the most dangerous people stay behind bars in jail and prison? guest: that is what sentencing reform is all about. i am glad you brought that up. sometimes there is a misperception that criminal justice reform is just let us open the floodgates. absolutely not. sentencing reform is about making sure the right people are behind bars for the right amount of time. we believe that especially during this age where there is mass shootings and acts of terrorism, our resources should be focused on the worst in our society. we should not be spending a lot of money incarcerating these low-level nonviolent particularly your first-time drug offenders because we now have data that shows that is not making us any safer.
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when these individuals can we've got to do something to break down barriers. we've got to address these ridiculous mandatory minimum sentences and do more on reentry. they have to have the tools to reenter society and we must break down barriers to ensure they can find jobs and support their families. they are going to return to crime and that's what's driving this cycle of failure. host: charles is first. good morning. caller: i am enjoying this discussion very much. it's interested me for a long time. i can't understand why no one ever represents or reaches out to the causes, the description four out of five
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my nordic children are born to single parent families and have no adult supervision and turn to crime. saycan't we see this and this as a society? guest: thank you for your question. i think it's interesting. paul ryan has been talking about criminal justice reform and poverty and education together. education, not getting what you need from the family individuals toes crime in the first place. i do think we need to have a broader conversation about how these issues work together. can do to improve opportunities for children. you mentioned the children with incarcerated parents. one in 28 children in this
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country has an incarcerated parent. one child and a kindergarten class likely has an incarcerated parent. host: which children? guest: we talk about the racial disparity in the system, most people don't address the fact that the largest growing segment in the prison population is women. the vast majority are incarcerated for low-level nonviolent crimes. most of them are mothers. we've got to figure out alternatives to incarceration for these women. when you take them away from their families, it impacts the unit. if host: bill is an independent color. caller: thanks for taking my call. my question is many people in
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prison are nonviolent. there are people who have had a violent past. the crime was a down to a lesser charge. how do you ensure that in reform , giving probation to people incarcerated or in reducing the penalties for people that in the , that youl be tried are not letting the violent criminals who pled down get back into society? guest: this is another misperception about the federal legislation. these inmates that would be released have to face a judge. this is before they are released. this would be the judge would take into consideration the circumstances of each case. i would like to mention and we forget about this, even with
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your violent offenders, 90% of these individuals are getting out someday. it's crucial that we shift focus to what are we doing on treatment, rehabilitation efforts, job training to ensure have the tools to successfully reenter society. bey are will -- they will more victims. host: will drug treatment programs receive more support? how much money are we talking about that is needed for these programs to deal with prisoners so they don't recommit? say, i'm ame conservative republican. have data that shows that if we invest the resources in more treatment and
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if we investn, money on the front end, we will see tremendous cost savings on the backend. to prison andurn cost us $50,000 per inmate. hi, liz. caller: i am very interested in your top. forve worked as an educator 15 years in a state prison. i think you will be easier to get reform at the federal level because of the nature of the crimes committed. criminals that most , where i think we need to work hard though is where
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most of the population of inmates are and that's at the state level. our programs were generally chronically underfunded. most of the funding came through title i at the federal level. the federal government could appropriate more money so they can have more educational opportunities within the prison. a lot of the reentry programs the i observed i thought privatized ones in particular were ineffectual. a lot of these programs do little to help the inmate who is anding to reenter impoverished home and family structure. they have a very difficult job unless there is a good halfway
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house program to get them squared away on the outside. you are exactly right about the state speed where it sat in terms of fixing our broken system. side, 197,000 , there are 2.3 million americans incarcerated. that's a small portion of a big problem. you are right. the programming, the job training, i hate to harp on ohio. program where inmates can get there cdl. successful.credibly they have jobs waiting for them when they get out. these are not minimum wage jobs. jobs for them to
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support their families and find self-worth. this helps them turn their lives around. we've got to do more of that in this country. cyclehow do you break the when somebody is coming from and impoverished community and they are put back in that community after serving times in jail. guest: a lot of these individuals, we give them $50 and a bus ticket. this is what's driving their old communities where they committed crimes. ist we need to do in prison continue the rehabilitation. i know the reluctance is spending money there. showsnow seen data that if we invest money here, we will save money on the backend. we are seeing that in the states.
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they are at an automatic disadvantage. some of them deserved. we've got to do something to make sure they don't return to crime. host: charles is on the independent line. caller: i have a statement and a question. most of these people that are thrown into prison for victimless crimes like dealing marijuana, when they get out of prison, even if you did educate them in prison, now they have on their record that they have been in prison. and i five other people could be a good person, i was just feeling some marijuana. i'm never going to get a job. i'm going to start dealing again. come on.
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arrested two years ago for a ui or i was not even driving. i was sleeping in my car. a kidtching people like on a bicycle get arrested. he got in a wreck on his bicycle on the sidewalk. he's got a dui. for the rest of his life, he can never get a job as a class c license. this is a kid riding a bicycle. guest: i'd like to mention that this is one of the reasons why business groups across the country including chambers and small business groups are supporting reentry legislation like expungement. it would enable your low-level nonviolent drug offenders to bike the ste clean and get jobs.
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we now have a real dearth of skilled labor in this country. shoutd like to give out a to kentucky they passed a groundbreaking expungement bill. free a five-year time waiting period, they have an opportunity to have their slates wiped clean the manufacturing association was lamenting the dearth of skilled labor in kentucky. we hope we can marry these two interests. the need to give these individuals, those who have earned it, the opportunity for a second chance. host: does she have a point in
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poverty programs are needed so that people don't turn to crime? want to get into the politics of the issue. i would like to keep the conversation focused on over incarceration. these ridiculous mandatory minimum sentences. addressing over criminalization. a lot of people don't realize there were government lawyers at the federal level who were asked to counted inventory of federal crimes on the books. they ran out of money before they could finish the job we don't even know the crimes that are on the books right now. we can't get our arms around our federal criminal code. we need to address the real driver. mike is in modesto,
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california. caller: hello. i've been studying criminology for quite a while. that for determined years is an optimum who is not a good person who is messing up if youy are not violent, put them in for four years understandly, they they can change their life. in the trades. you would meet a lot of people who had been in prison. not these ridiculous sentences you have now. ,esides the four year deal after that it's all negative. most all of them to get out and you've got a damaged, dangerous case on your hands.
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the other thing that has been shown is even the violent characters from these unfortunate neighborhoods and lives they have been stuck with, old,they reach 35 years they have grown up. they have some realization. host: we will take your two points. guest: i would like to expand on the point you're making and say individuals who left , the data shows that if they remain crime free for five years, their rate of recidivism is the same as an individual who has never committed a crime. why aren't we giving them a second chance and an opportunity to wipe the slate clean?
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that expands on the point that let me showd host: you a headline. this is st. louis, missouri. guest: there's no question. crack and powder cocaine are the biggest incarcerated is. there is enough gimmick in kentucky. some reformsed legislation to help with opioid surge. we have to be addressing all of these issues. drugs, we need to work on this
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drug scourge in a way that is impactful. not these tough on crime policies that we now know don't work. data-drivenghtful, solutions. we are going to continue to see the same result. independent is an in maryland. forer: i want to thank you having this important discussion. some of them are in college now. i want to thank you for having the courage to do what is not really thought about. i don't know if you're familiar with what happened in new jersey.
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, theu look at the work religious leaders work hand-in-hand. the religiously does provide capital to improve the jails. they have to put someone there. the people who must pay for themselves are the minorities. with racist there cops. let me say i think it's important in the reform movement to say we respect law enforcement. there is a mess perception that reform groups are born out of
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all animists to law enforcement. state, we bring law enforcement to the table and we hope that law enforcement will lead the way like they haven't pennsylvania. point about policing issues is well taken. i think we have to have this discussion respectfully. by enforcement is out there every day, committing courageous acts everyday. i think it's incredibly important as we have this discussion respectfully. host: here is another for you. one of the biggest isblems with private prisons the contracts need to be transparent. we need to see if there is a quota involved.
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happening, that is a very serious issue. the taxpayers need to know about that. work, theyprisons should have an excellent reentry program. they should show that they are lowering recidivism rates. able to show that they can operate efficiently. if they can't do that, they should not be operating. all, i want to say thanks for c-span and all of your service. i strongly agree that criminal justice reform is needed in this country. the numbers prove that. i don't ever see it happening. as long as we have a republican led congress, there is too much private money in the criminal justice system right now.
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hang on the line. guest: i would respectfully disagree. i am leaving the largest bipartisan coalition for justice reform in this country. republicannservative background. they are working on legislation that we are hopeful will hit the floor creasing. all of these individuals who are republicans are working across the aisle. i will say i believe the justice reform is an issue that conservatives can latch onto these embody conservative principles.
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we are promoting families we are ensuring there are cost savings. these are all conservative principles. that's why we have seen conservative governors beginning with texas moving forward. we have seen real success. there may be a misperception that this is more of a liberal saye, i would disagree and this is a bipartisan issue. host: a new study that was put out found that in texas, a state -- minimum laws was able to save money.
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guest: the crime rate in texas is the lowest. host: good morning to you. afghanistan, the united states refused to mess heroine.e people will continue to have a way to support themselves. the united states looks away while afghanistan produces heroine. debbie wasserman schultz of florida and senator nelson from florida and a lot of other democrats take money from these private prisons.
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is the schools. they send these kids into juvenile detention and charge their parents. they get the kids. prison. these kids into rule.because of some host: that's a lot to respond to. guest: i am going to cherry pick. i would say that i would like to clinton, sanders, john individuals, i can't speak to the donations, they all have embraced criminal justice reform.
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ohio has implemented a good number of reforms. these individuals, i can't speak to the contributions they are taking. i know what they are pushing. the are safely reducing prison population. they are pushing for better reentry programming. you mentioned afghanistan. these are international problems certainly. hopeful that the united states can send example for the rest of the world and move forward on these reforms. we know they make us safer. host: let's go on to syracuse,
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new york. caller: good morning. i have three quick ones. i you that there are nonviolent offenders is a misnomer. rolled smoking0 pot is a one-person crime spree. people who work in prisons will understand this. none of your ideas will go anywhere unless you use prison professionals, people on the job . speakingams in prisons from my own state are a scam. they do nothing. for any of the wonderful ideas that you have, you're going to have to overcome the political
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appointees, the corruption. nothing would be enacted without going through the political class. that's why we have these problems in the first place. host: we're running out of time. guest: thank you for your comments. understand that people disagree whether drug offenders are violent offenders. i think there are good points on both sides. the issue is are these longer sentences making us safer? we now know they are not. they are more likely to commit crime. cases, these are worse crimes than they originally committed. ohio's mentioned recidivism rate went down. we know these reforms are
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working in ohio. there are corrections officials across the country who are supportive of reform. states, it's the corrections officials who are first to jump on board. host: steve is our last for you. caller: good morning. thank you for c-span. i think you are missing the point. citizens are not interested. inthey are interested increasing profit. it's more labor to throw into the labor pool to compete. it's just a big jobs program. look at the people who are in jail for drugs. program for jobs them. guest: i would like to speak for
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myself. we hope that they will have an opportunity to find a job and support their families and leave crime. isn't that what we all want? to increase safety and ensure they become productive citizens again? my faith pushes me to leave that everyone deserves a second chance. the business community that we have worked with across the country, you are right. they want a broader pool of labor. they are willing to take a look at these individuals who have proven, they have gone through this crime free time, they want to turn their lives around. host: is it cheap labor?
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guest: it's good labor. i can tell you this. the businesses out there, ask employees at they have hired criminal records. says theytries always are the first to enter the door in the morning and the last leave at night. they are grateful for their jobs. host: what about his final point? guest: it's about jobs for people. i am unapologetic about these individuals who leave prisons finding housing and access to education. it makes us a better society. host: thank you so much. we appreciate it. more about the
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justice action network if you go to their website. you can follow them on it put her. this is where they are doing theirletting you know what is happening on the state level. appreciate the conversation. guest: thank you so much. host: we would take a short break. when we come back, we turn our attention to the nuclear summit. it was the fourth and final one for president obama. we will talk about what was litwak.to with robert kitwa we will be right back. >> campaign 2016 continues on tuesday, april 5. live coverage begins tuesday night at 9:00 eastern. tune in for complete coverage result in fewer reaction, taking
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president obama met with over 50 world leaders in washington this past week. remind our viewers why this summit was put together and what its goals were. guest: this summit was a direct result of a landmark speech that president obama gave in april 2009, which layout arms-control agendas. it had three main components. strategic arms control with russia. second, preventing proliferation to countries like iran, north korea. the third component was nuclear terrorism. this last week's nuclear security summit was the fourth since 2010 at the invitation of the u.s. government, the obama administration to sickly nuclear materials not falling into terrorist groups so they could create a detonate a dirty bomb or nuclear weapon. host: what was agreed to all that? of securingis area
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materials, there has been significant progress since 2010, but much remains to be done. india, pakistan, china are moving in the opposite direction in terms of creating more material, and terrorist groups remain dedicated to acquire nuclear weapons or materials that can be used for a dirty bomb. it was symbolic, tangibly symbolic, when the isis group in belgium was arrested that it was discovered they were planning an attack on the belgian nuclear facility. that tends to leak between having the world leaders here and having to stay on for an additional time with president obama to discuss the campaign against isis. that was this tangible symbol which is called the nexus between proliferation and terrorism. host: president obama focused on that on his weekly radio address. what to show our viewers what he had to say about securing the world from nuclear terrorism. fortunately because
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of our efforts so far, terrorists have not been able to produce a nuclear bomb but we know that al qaeda has tried. isis has used chemical weapons in syria and iraq. if they ever got hold of a nuclear weapon or nuclear material, we have no doubt they would use it.that is what we have been leading the global effort to secure the world global materials. with some us like this, we made significant progress. we have removed or secured and material more than 150 nuclear weapons, material that will now never fall into the hands of terrorists. host: what did you hear their? -- there? guest: i think the president is alluding to one part of his speech. three important questions. the new start treaty with russia the size of lowered the strategic arsenals to 1550
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deployable nuclear weapons. second, the iran deal of last summer. it blocked iran's pathway to ribbon weapons they material for 15 years. the third was these nuclear summits that have made a modest progress in securing weapons, but isis remains committed to obtaining nuclear weapons, which opens the door to the question of how can they attain a nuclear weapon? president obama referred to the three pathways in his last speech. steal, buy, or build. this summit addresses securing materials, which i been called the long pole in the tent of building a nuclear weapon. experts are divided on whether a nonstate actors such as isis could create a nuclear weapon. we sent the smartest people in the world with unlimited resources during world war ii to new mexico. it took them a couple years to
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build a bomb. the technology is better understood now. capabilities have risen. as they reached a point where they could build a nuclear weapon? many answers believe we have crossed that rubicon. the other two pathways, theft or purchase lead to state actors, pakistan and north korea respectively, which are ramping up the size of the nuclear weapons. pakistan is moving into tactical nuclear weapons to address the conventional weapons asymmetry with india. north korea, which has in the neighborhood of 10 nuclear weapons, may build up to many more of that. some estimates have been pushing 100 by 2020. the north korean regime, which is financially strapped, might sell a weapon. in the case of pakistan, there is a concern islamists will infiltrate a nuclear structure infrastructure and steal a weapon.
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legal goal is to block all of these pathways. the nuclear summit is primarily to address the theft of material that can be fabricated into a weapon, which is a tough , or building a dirty bomb. host: we want to invite our viewers to call in. robert is here to take your questions about these deals that instruct under the obama administration, but also the issue of securing nuclear material. democrats 202-748-8000. republicans 202-748-8001. 748-8002.nts 202- robert is also the author of many books. what country from this nuclear summit that attended or what
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countries have the most work to do? russia was absent from this nuclear security summit. the014, they ended corporate threat reduction program that had been in place since the end of the cold war to secure weapons and materials in the country. russians who are in the diplomatic. house isolated because of their actions in the ukraine chose not to attend as a pretext that they saw the u.s. initiative, and this was a u.s. initiative to invite the countries to washington and the three previous summits that were held in the u.s., to of the three not in the u.s., so they had a talking point version, but more work needs to be done in russia. the other main country of concern is pakistan, which was represented at the summit. it is the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world.
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north korea and iran were net at the summit -- not at the summit. host: dewey in georgia. you are on the air. caller: good morning. my comment is our country has technologyd nuclear by selling, allowing big corporations to sell nuclear technology to countries under the guise of nuclear power for electricity. of course, there is no line , nuclear technology, and the power technology. it is all the same. but when you use nuclear
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technology to generate power, almost bombith grade plutonium or whatever they are using. india we let have nuclear power and their neighbor pakistan got it. very poor, very weak. they allowed the technology to seep into the neighborhooir nei. khan was going around selling nuclear power to anyone who would pay him. guest: the caller makes a very good point about the dual aspects of nuclear question of energy generation, and weapons. the attention has been there since the very beginnings of the nuclear age. under the eisenhower ministration, you had the atoms for peace program.
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to transport nuclear energy to other countries. the dilemma is in the current era we want to increase nuclear power because it is a source of scalable low carbon energy and a time of concern about climate change but we don't want to stimulate a new wave of weapons eliminatio proliferation. addressed by limiting the aspects of the fuel cycle that would allow a state to have a nuclear power plant to obtain weapons grade material. that would require a reprocessing facility that would take the fuel from a nuclear power plant and separate the the mystery process o reactor.
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to get a handle on that aspect, you limit the access to the fuel. the concern with the iranian program is attached all aspects of it. not just that it was the entire fuel cycle, which the iran deal sought to circumscribe. muriel, republican in athens, georgia, your next. caller: morning. litwak thisto mr. is that my main concern we have plutonium, we have different elements that have been retrieved outside of fort gordon, georgia. -- it sayse to know it is terrorism security. proficientighly
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people in this world that can use this resource for good. arenderstand that there those in this planet that prefer derby it for a demolition , but how many have been assigned with confidence, integrity to transport or store this material that has been reasoned for a good offer our country, and for our people? host: sorry about cutting you off a little early. guest: thank you for the question about commercial applications of radioactive materials in hospitals, medical isotopes and the like. in the civilian sector, there has been quite a proliferation of nuclear materials, which need
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to be secured and are a source in the clip shown earlier, president obama alluded to a terrorist group obtaining a weapon through the pathways i alluded to or wrapping height explosives around what is good material to produce a dirty bomb, which would be an easier task or goal to them to reach and a source of real concern particularly in the light of the budget and tax -- the belgium attacks. fatalities from last effect of the weapon and that he radioactive material would be andpersed creative a panic because of the psychological association in the public mind with the word radioactive. panic created in the event of a dirty bomb detonation.
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that is precisely the type of disruptive effect that a group like isis is seeking to achieve. hence, i think the risk of a dirty bomb given what isis has presidente presen alluded to is a major concern. host: in new york, it is your turn chris. caller: how you prevent a were a terrorist groups work in conjunction with the state sponsor actually get nuclear devices in multiple cities and that detonate them simultaneously like on 9/11? we have these guys living in the country for years. they got onto planes. they attacked multiple sites simultaneously. they could be doing the same thing right now. host: polka. -- ok. guest: your question really points to the challenge. we talk about nonstate actors.
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don'tnonstate actors exist in some space off this planet. wherever they are, they are in a state. the obama administration has that isa prudent policy state-based strategies of a nonstate threats. you give the state to secure the materials in their territory and have sovereignty over their territory to control it. we know there are states that have weak capacities that don't control their own territory. the 9/11 attacks, understand, al qaeda operating -- attacks, afghanistan, al qaeda operating in afghanistan, which is not a state sponsor of terrorism. focusing on the state level in the summit meeting was focused on states is the prerequisite for addressing the nonstate threat.
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book alluded to that main argument. when the policies we can pursue to work state states to bring to international standards. and gives us on a path to controlling those materials. host: humble, texas, independent color. how much is it going to cost for upgrades? host: wait, hold on. what are you talking about? to buildhey are trying up some brand-new nuclear arms in the military to upgrade them. i really want to ask about the reactorspan, there, and the meltdown. they still have not found the core. guest: there are two pieces, the
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modernization peace and the fukushima peace. and itma administration, has been criticized for this, is refurbishing u.s. nuclear warheads. many of these date back decades to platforms like the b-52 and the ballistic force are all systems, and the weapons on them are showing the obsolescence. is obama administration participating in a stewardship program to address the obsolescence of the systems. developingmitted to new platforms for existing capabilities. the point the administration has made is it is not modernizing u.s. forces. it is really refurbishing them and maintaining existing capabilities in an era were we
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are not testing nuclear facilities. it is a destabilizing move because some see it as a rise of lower yield, more precise nuclear weapons that can be used in a crisis. the administration argues there had always been some options in controlling the yield of the hasons and the precision improved over the years. the object for that is not modernization but rather refurbishing. the second piece is the fukushima one, which was an extraordinary event, where you have an earthquake followed by tsunami and a nuclear plant they thought could withstand one could not withstand both simultaneously. that has had a psychological effect. the german decided to back away from the glare energy. it has affected the climate with which it is being debated. host: gregory in pennsylvania,
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republican. good morning. welcome to the conversation. caller: thank you. my question has to do with the military and its use of low-grade plutonium or nuclear materials in ammunition. like 30 millimeter cannons and 50 caliber, this material is flying all over the place on a daily basis, and i am curious to know how much of it is applied by allied forces and how much of it if any is used to reciprocate from the other side. what happens to all of this ammunition ou after it is expended. its nuclear material probably has a long life. is anybody keeping an eye on this? guest: this is not an issue i have tracked, by know that during the gulf war in 1991,
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there was a question of using because them shells increased the lethality. i don't know whether those are being maintained in the arsenal or being phased out. host: nick in washington, d.c., republican. caller: earlier in your speech only mentioned the 2009 speech by president obama that formed the basis for national nuclear summit. in his 2012 decision to read avoid an update the be 51 in in europeb-51 and the following letter, what you see from that? guest: that question opens the door on one of the main issues since the end of the cold war that there has been this conventional wisdom that the possibility of nuclear war among the great powers with the end but the riskar,
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that a single nuclear weapon or a few might be used by a rogue state or terrorist group had thought of. and now we are -- terrorist group had been brought up. now we are seeing this with russia. the emphasis russia is placing on nuclear weapons with a strategy has called into question whether the low risk of war between major powers is as low as it was. these nuclear summit in design designed tos were address that. refurbishing u.s. nuclear weapons, which the administration calls refurbishing, and which critics point to as a point of modernization. they also note in characterizing it as refurbishing rather than
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modernization, they know the goal is to maintain existing capabilities, not to develop new ones. they also note that russia and anda are improving americans are completely obsolescence. host: simon is watching us from the united kingdom. good morning. caller: how are you doing? host: doing well, sir. thank you for calling in. what is your question or comment? caller: my question and comment is between the united states and russia, there has been a significant amount of reduction in cold war times, but there has not been a substantial reduction to get to the point where your nuclear weapons are purely for defensive purposes. you blow us up, we blow you up. what has actually happened is
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both independently have enough weapons to significantly damage or destroy huge areas of the planet and depopulate huge areas. surely, the best security in the world is to reduce that so you only have a handful of weapons that can do some damage like we the british and the french have done. we have enough to do some damage and sustain a power base, but not the capacity to depopulate. host: we are running out of time. guest: i think the viewer should think of nuclear issues in three categories. first is vertical weather proliferation. are the stockpiles going up or down? you have horizontal flow reparation proliferation. the third bucket is nuclear terrorism, the link between states and nonstate. the caller has asked about vertical, the size of the u.s. and russian arsenal.
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six, those were in as weapons states committed good efforts to reduce the stockpiles and their arsenals. think the united states is a vet story in that affect. we had 15,000 weapons or so under the cold war. 1550.down to there is a question of how much further you can go without bringing other groups like china into the picture. is aspect of is that contentious is the nuclear ballistic missile because those are only trigger for quick launch. host: let us get in brian from washington, independent. can you make it quick? caller: yes i can. i called in regards to the insurance of nuclear power plants. i am in the understanding that they are not insurable.
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only the governments can own them. if that is the case, is that applied internationally? host: sorry, brian. i think it were done with the last question. guest: that is really out of my lane. i don't know insurance aspects. host: the callers before him are interested in russia. do other nuclear nations keep the nuclear material safely and securely as we do in the u.s.? guest: there are questions about russia itself. the nuclear programs are not transparent. ue secret most opaq aspect of their society. there are questions about the -- small portable weapons the kind the u.s. deployed in europe in the 1950's and then moved away from precisely because they were vulnerable and not just being militarily effective. host: you can go to the
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ncenter.org for more information on this issue. thank you so much for joining us on the "washington journal" this morning and discussing. his book is on the screen as well. that does it for today's "washington journal." thank you for watching. we will be back tomorrow morning. this is what we will be talking about. a roundtable on the agenda for congress. that, joe gonzales is an analyst that will be talking about which states are most and least federally dependent on the government. in our final hour, craig gilbert will preview the primary in wisconsin on tuesday. thank you all for watching and for calling in this morning. enjoy the rest of your sunday.
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[captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] >> next, "newsmakers" with dave mcintosh. c-span presents showing what today's leaders have set in the past about the process of nominating and confirming justices to the supreme court. susan: tuesday's wisconsin primary has become quite a battleground in our guest is in the mix of it all. they've mcintosh is the president of the group club for growth. they have endorsed the primary for ted cruz and is spending $1 million on ads in the state against donald trump.
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thank you for being with us this week. mr. mcintosh: my pleasure. susan: the meters over to reporters. ms. morrongiello and mr. hohmann. as we get started, people looking at your twitter feed will see many references to making the wisconsin primary donald trump's waterloo essentially. why are you thinking about it like tha? mr. mcintosh: this could be the primary which projecting forward -- he lost one state but clearly has over momentum. ted cruz beating him in wisconsin shows that when you get down to essentially the two-person race, he does not win. also that cruz can win outside of the south. a northern industrial state, not a red

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