tv U.S. House of Representatives Legislative Business CSPAN April 18, 2016 2:00pm-4:01pm EDT
[applause] >> to watch all of the prize-winning documentries in this year's student cam competition, visit studentcam.org. >> and now live to the floor of the u.s. house as members begin legislative work. the prayer will be offered by our chaplain, father conroy. chaplain conroy: let us pray. lord god of mercy, we give you thanks for giving us another day. our nation is singular and powerful by the very fact that congress begins its workday with prayer, setting an example for all students and workers of this great land. it has done so from the very beginnings of congress itself. by seeking your presence and wisdom in moments of prayer each day, we humbly lay before you, our limitations and our hopes. we display our openness to your
creative light, to guide us in the decision that is must be made, to stay the course of government of your free people. hear the prayers of this people's house and call each member to integrity and charitable bipartisan political effort that the course of government might roll forward towards advancements of the common good of our nation. may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory. amen. the speaker pro tempore: the the chair has examined the journal of the last day's proceedings and announces to the house his approval thereof. pursuant to clause 1 of rule 1, the journal stands approved. the pledge of allegiance will be led by the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. thompson. mr. thompson: i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
the speaker pro tempore: the chair will entertain requests for one-minute speeches. for what purpose does the gentleman from south carolina seek recognition? mr. wilson: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman from south carolina is recognized for one minute. mr. wilson: mr. speaker, today marks tax day, day when americans must file their taxes. the broken tax code is nearly 75,000 pages and has excessive regulations, destroys jobs, and lacks certainty. the tax bill is too high for hardworking american families. this year americans will collectively spend more on taxes than basic necessaryities like food, clothing, and housing combined. new obamacare taxes destroy jobs. we must take the tax code fairer and simpler to allow hardworking american families and small businesses keep more of of their hard-earned tax dollars. that's why i'm grateful to be an original co-sponsor of h.r. 27, the tax code termination
act, which could retire the old burdensome tax code and replace it with the system that provides tax relief for working americans, protects the rights of taxpayers, eliminates bias against saving, and creates jobs. will i continue working in congress toward a commonsense solution that creates a fair and simple tax code for american families. in conclusion, god bless our troops and may the president by his actions never forget september 11 and the global war on terrorism. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from massachusetts seek recognition? >> unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman from massachusetts is recognized for one minute. mr. mcgovern: i stand today on behalf of saudi arabian blogger, in 2014, saudi arabian authorities sentenced rabe to 10 years in prison and 1,000 lashes for his liberal writings of support of secularism. today is his 1,424 day in prison. publicly flogged 50 times and wife and children forful for
their safety have abandoned country for canada he's not a criminal but a champion of freedom of thought and expression in a kingdom whose rulers fear both. this week president obama will travel to saudi arabia to meet with leaders of the gulf cooperation council. when the president sees king sol man, he should urge him to pardon raef. i seek the full support of congress and the obama administration in urging the saudi arabian government to free raef and all other prisoners of conscious like him as befits any government with a seat at the u.n. human rights council. i yield back my time. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from pennsylvania seek recognition? mr. thompson: mr. speaker, request unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. extend and revise my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman from pennsylvania is recognized for one minute. mr. thompson: thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, i rise today to congratulate state college high school health education teacher melanie lynch who was recently named one of six winners of the
national health education teacher of the year award by the society of health and physical educators. specifically, melanie was recognized for designing and putting in place lesson plans which educate, motivate, and inspire students, high school students and their communities to take personal responsibility for improving their health habits. melanie's classes involve not only the academic knowledge of which nutrients are best for their diets but topics such as peer pressure, bullying, and how to eat right once they graduate high school. lynch is assisted in those efforts by the textbooks she co-wrote entitled "comprehensive health." physical and health education is key to students across the nation receiving a well-rounded school experience. i appreciate the efforts of teachers such as melanie lynch in bringing real world lessons into the last classroom. thank you, mr. speaker. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the chair lays before the house the following enrolled bill. the clerk: h.r. 1670, an act to
direct the architect of the capitol to place in the united states capitol a chair honoring american prisoners of war, missing in action. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlelady from new york seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlelady from new york is recognized for one minute. mr. speaker, i rise to honor an extraordinary hero from upper lake in my district. first lieutenant elmer was drafted into the army in 1940 where he would participate in military campaigns across italy. on february 21, 1944, during the anzio invasion, his position was attacked by six enemy tanks. for his bravery under siege and
his courageous conduct to repel these attacks, he was awarded the silver star and purple heart by the u.s. army. unfortunately, because of significant wounds sustained in combat, lieutenant boast spent many months recovering at walter reed medical center and never received his medal. he has since passed. after his family reached out to our office, i'm honored that we were able to play a small part in preserving the legacy of this north country hero. this thursday, my office will host his family at a ceremony in washington to present them with lieutenant's much deserved silver star. today i'm honored to recognize him for his heroic service on the house floor. thank you, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to house resolution 639, the chair announces that an amicus brief was filed on april 4, 2016, in the united states supreme court in the matter of united states vs. texas. pursuant to clause 12-a of rule 1, the chair declares the house in
>> well, it's so great to see so many friends here. it's so great to see such enthusiasm here from the albanian american community, from the college community, , m all kinds of communities we're all going to make hillary clinton the first woman president of the united states of america. but we don't support hillary just because she's a woman. we support her because she's the best candidate for the job and will make the best president of the united states
and we all love her and respect her. every member of congress from new york state, which i am one, every democratic member of congress, has endorsed hillary clinton for president of the united states, because we worked with hillary, we worked with her in washington when she was our senator in new york, for eight years, she brought millions upon millions of dollars home to new york, she was one of the most hardworking and effective members of the united states senate. and she's someone who has eally made us proud. so we want to take hillary's effectiveness for the state of new york and use it for all of the united states of america and i know for hillary clinton we'll have one of the best presidents the united states has ever had in the history of the country. cheers and applause] hillary is smart, she's hardworking, she cares about
people and what can be a better combination? but it's very important that you remember that in four days from now, you need to go to the polls and vote and bring your friends, because a lot of people do not realize there's an election going on, a primary election going on. many people think, well, i'll just wait until november and i'll vote for president. but that's not going to do it. we want to make sure the democratic party has the right nominee. we want to make sure that the democratic party has the winning nominee. i was at the debate last night and thought hillary was just terrific. didn't you? cheers and applause] so turn out, -- turnout, turnout, turnout is very important. make sure you not only vote but that you bring your spouse, you bring your brothers and sisters, you bring your friends, you bring your
neighborhoods. we have to make sure -- neighbors. we have to make sure that new york goes strongly for hillary and that will happen if you all go out and do that. now, one last thing before i have a special introduction. those of my friends, albanian american friends, my kosovo friends, know what we went hrough back in 1999. in 1999 there was a carrying out of genocide against the albanian people in kosovo. and we know that what was happening with the serbs, they were moving along and doing all kinds of terrible things in the balkans and can vovea was really about to get -- kosova was really about to get hit. we don't know what would have happened. people have would -- people would have been killed, perhaps hundreds of thousands of people. we know people were drisken from their homes and the albanian community in kosova looked for the world to help. and for a while it appeared that nobody was going to be there to help them.
but there was one person who was there to help. and one person who made the difference for the nation of kosova. that person at the time was president of the united states, resident bill clinton. i always joke and say how proud i am that in the city of paea they named a street after me. but in the main city, the capital city, they very fittingly named a street after president clinton. so there is a great street, the biggest street, which is president bill clinton's street, along with a terrific statue. when you see president clinton, you'll see he's much better ooking than that statue.
but, when i spoke to the president during this terrible period in 1999, i remember one thing the president said to me. i said we cannot abandon these people and the president looked at me and said do not worry. we are not abandoning them. when he said that to me, i went home and i rested comfortably because i knew then he would not allow genocide to happen once again in the continent of europe. when you look at people who saved albanians, look no further than president bill clinton. when you look for a person who really cares about people, who made a difference to people, there would not be an independent nation without president bill clinton. i know how hard he worked. it gives me great pleasure to
introduce to you a wonderful, wonderful president of the united states -- i want to tell you before he comes out that hillary clinton will do the ame types of things that president bill clinton did when it comes to the balkans, to caring about people, when it comes to making sure lives are saved. it is my great pleasure to introduce to all of you the person we have all been waiting for, our wonderful president bill clinton. [cheers and applause] president clinton: thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. let's give congressman eliot engel another big hand.
i want to thank assembly member mark jones, the first albanian american elected in the united tates. thank you. councilmember andrea cohen, thank you. and the president of the college of mount st. vincent, thank you. thank you to all of the students joining us. i'm embarrassed to admit that i've been living in new york for many years and campaigning or longer. i thought i knew more about new york than the average new yorker, much less the average american. i am never been to this campus before.
it is so beautiful. i think it is a wonderful thing. [cheers and applause] i thank you. i want to first thank the members of the albanian community that are here, who have supported me in the past and further memories of what we try to do. but, i also want to say that when hillary was there with me, she visited a refugee camp in macedonia. she tried to protect and promote the kosovo albanians and make sure they were protected and go home safely as oon as possible. for her efforts, she got albanian's highest award, the
mother teresa award. the second thing i want to say is that you look around the crowd, catholic institution of higher education with an verrepresentation of albanians and albanians that are redominantly muslims and a great smattering of american jews and then people who come from -- look at the students here. it looks like we're convening the united nations. cheers and applause] why am i saying this? because of what to start with this point -- we live in an nterdependent world. i hear your president talk about this -- he made it part of the future.
you can put all the walls you want around america, not just across the texas border with mexico. you can put one across the border with canada. erect seawalls in the atlantic and pacific. we will still be interdependent because of social media. there is no place for us to hide and this is the model of the future that i want for the young people nuts is in the united states but all over the world. look at this room. look at this room. [applause] no one, no one who walk through this door today was asked to check your place at the oor.
check your race at the door. check your politics of the door. everywhere in the world people are working together for inclusive economic pportunities, inclusive social policy which is a fancy way of saying we love our differences. did makes life more interesting but our common humanity is the most important thing but if we ever forget it we will turn into stupid idiots doing destructive things. and that -- to do that, we have to govern and work together. in that debate last night, i saw a lot of interesting things but after the debate, cnn had a couple of hundred of people from new york. there were only nine undecided people. they found somebody that switched. whenever i hear that, i get so nervous.
oh, god. they go up to this man who appeared to be in his late 30's maybe. it was a new york city resident, and african-american. the guy set are you the person who switched and he said yes. he said i was not for hillary went i came here but i am now because i thought her opponent was more focused on relitigating the past and she was more interested in building the future and that is what we need to do as americans. so, look, saving kosovo from a genocide and having our allies were quickly was important to e because i worked for two and half years to do the same thing for the bosnian muslims.
i had enormous support. everybody from the pope to the king of saudi arabia. still, our allies in europe were reluctant. i just celebrated the 20th anniversary -- observed at the beginning and end of the bosnian conflict and the peace process triggered by the slaughter. but i want to just say this to sort of make real what i said about inclusive economics nd societies and politics. so, when we celebrated the 20th anniversary of the killing which ended the bosnian
conflict and started the peace process, we did it in this old building where a lot of the young boys were killed. the mayor, 36 years old, stood up and said this -- i want you to think about it when we yell at our neighbors and fellow americans. this man said i'm the accidental survivor. i'm the only male in my family ho survived. i am the only member of my class at school who survived at 16. i have no idea why they did not find me in the woods. i am it. the accidental survivor. so, he said i thought i should try to do something useful with my life as if there was some
reason that i had survived. and we have to begin again. he had invited the 39-year-old prime minister of serbia to come because he was trying to get serbia to move away from their dark past and take a different future. at first, the people do not know what to do. this guy lost his father and rothers. he is talking like nelson mandela and he is only 36. he said you should make them feel welcome. you think it was not risky for them to come down? do you think he was not afraid about what the people did? he came. we had to make a new beginning. that is what i want to say to all of you. look at all of these people all around the world. the only thing that matters is our differences. the only thing that matters is whether we can get our crowd to
stop thinking so we can demonize their crowd. the future belongs to people who continually expand the definition of us and shrink the efinition of them. [applause] these people that are -- the first event we did in bronx, president diaz said there were three presidents who came here when i was a kid. president carter came in the 1970's and showed the poorest arts of the bronx. president reagan came here in the 1980's and said this shows you what a mess the government makes of things. then i showed up and it looks like the future to me. let's get it on. [applause]
the reason that i think hillary hould be president is one, she has the best ideas for shared prosperity and societies and a olitical future. two, in a troubled world that is more divided than it used to be, she has a proven record and the best ability to make sure we try to stop all of these problems from ripping europe and the middle east and the rest of the world apart so that it does not also, for americans, dragged down the economic recovery we have just started. you cannot divide clearly the job of the next president into domestic and foreign policy. look around this room.
this is great. you have to be able to relate to and build the world as well as deal with the challenges at ome. three, in 45 years of trying to help people live their dreams and solve their problems, of all the people i have ever worked with, she is the best change maker. there is a difference of talking about change and making it. i think that is important. [applause] i think the reason -- i told illary the other day that your stronger supporters are the people who know you best and have worked with you longest. that is a pretty good ecommendation. that is a very significant difference in this race. not everything that sounds good is good. this country has proved over a very long time that we have a
continuing ability to reinvent ourselves, to make every new change and challenge our friend, not our enemy. the real reason there is so much anxiety today is that whenever there is a massive financial crash like the world endured in 2008, no nation has recovered from it fully for 400 years in less than 10 years. ot once. we got the jobs back in 7.5 years but there is still inequality because we have not gotten wage increases and income increases back. aggravated by the fact that college in many places and other training programs have kept people from getting competitive and aggravated by the fact we have
not made the investments we need to modernize our infrastructure. flint is not the only place with leaded pipes. if you tore up the pipes, new would give every child a healthy future. we should do that. [applause] and it is complicated by the fact that too many corporations in america today are spending 80% to 90% of the revenues, profits and giving it to their shareholders and their chief top executives instead of to the workers in the places they ork. but, the question about all of this is what will you do about it? she was the first candidate to say what we need to do now, we have solved the problem that caused the last crash. the dodd-frank bill which president obama signed is working.
there are 50,000 people fewer working in wall street today than before the crash. the article on the front page of the wall street journal says hese banks are making more conventional loans and fewer gambles. it is working. we just have to keep working it. the big problem today is that any company which sells shares to the general public is vulnerable to being dominated and distorted by these shareholders who want all of their money and the profit back in a year and a day. they are trying to pressure company after company after company to give 80% to 90% of the money to the shareholders and the top managers the they get paid based on the share price. that is wrong. the history of american business and business law was
very different until recently. until recently, corporations knew they had equal responsibilities to their customers, communities and shareholders. the companies that live by that rule still do better. they still do better. hey are now companies called b corp to make a commitment to a sustainable balanced future. sustainable with the environment, with their community, with their employees. good for their customers and good for their shareholders. over any five-year period, those companies do better. we are being held back by one f the primary drivers of
inequality that nobody has asked about yet. that is the demand for orderly profits and capitalism where nobody thinks he can build a great business. you take care of the people who ork for you. [applause] so, that is a good thing. he other thing we need to do is to keep replenishing the work force and our future which is why hillary has been such a strong advocate of immigration reform. does not matter where you came here from. there are now 11 1/2 million undocumented people in this country. most of them are going to school or working. the secession by the leading candidate on the other side, that he is going to send everybody home is not only unethical, it is the dumbest
economic idea i've ever heard in my life. [cheers and applause] hillary said let's not do that. let's support what the president did, leave the kids in school and leave their parents alone and pass immigration reform and put people on a path to citizenship that does not have them jumping ahead of people who waited in line according to the rules, that lets them know they are welcome in america as long as they are law-abiding, love their kids and try to make a positive contribution to this country. [cheers and applause] 'm telling you one of the -- if i were 25 again, and what i like to be. if i were 25 again and i had this magical experience where somebody brings me one of these magic lamps and a genie comes out and says i will give you ne wish, here it is.
you can decide where you want to live 25 years from now, but you must decide right now. if at 25 i had known what i now know, i would take the united states in a heartbeat because of you. look at this picture. [applause] there is no place in the world where you can have in a catholic university an event organized by albanian americans and invite all the students and look like you are at the u.n. no place else. cheers and applause] all i can tell you is this is our future. you. we need immigration reform. it is one of the big differences -- we have a chance to get it in 2007 and millions of people would be living more
productive lives today if we had adopted it then. president george w. bush was ot afraid of immigrants. he was he was not trying to divide america by their immigration status and he said if you pass this bill, i will sign it. all the immigration. he said, if you pass this bill, i will sign it. there is only one person running for president, left. and that is hillary, it is the right thing to do then, it is the right thing to do now. [applause] so i hope you will think about that. let me say a word about access to higher education. that was a pretty good part of the debate last night. but i am not sure everybody fully understands what appened.
when i had the honor to serve, we had the biggest college aid program since the g.i. bill. 10 million more young people got aid. everybody got a 20% tax credit for anything in higher education, after the first two ears, we gave tuition aid. within five years, the benefits were gone from inflation. we had the first program to allow people to pay loans back as a percent of their ncome. but it only went to colleges and universities that issued loans and wanted to do that. when president obama came in he had an even bigger program, and all loans carried the option of paying it back as a percent of your income. pretty soon come of it benefits of that evaporated. why? because the cost of higher education all over america kept going up. for the public schools, the governments contribution went
down because of the crash, a politics of many state legislatures, and the need to fund growing public school populations. so, everybody has been talking about it. here is why i think hillary's program is the best. number one, she wants to make it possible for aid to flow to students, not just in public institutions of higher education. but also, in private ones that have a lot of first or second generation immigrants, african-americans, hispanics, working people on modest incomes, with a reasonable tuition and high graduation rates. you should include the private schools, too, like this
one. that is an important difference. [applause] she also believed those who need free tuition should get it. people with a lower incomes should get a much bigger increase from the pell grants, so they provide supplies and living expenses. [applause] i have a feeling it is about to get less popular. she believes that every school should have a huge allocation of it work-study positions so anybody who needs more money should get 10 hours a week of work-study opportunities. [applause] the reason that is important, it is about the only thing the federal government can do to help colleges and universities hold their costs down. when you have a lot of students doing work-study, that helps. one of the highest impact, lowest cost private schools is in kentucky. 100% of the people on financial aid, one hundred percent work
in the schools. it was added before the civil war in kentucky, fully open to women and to african-americans, way back in 1855. they still have the same model, t is democracy, empowering students to get their education and minimize cost and maximize the quality of education. we need a plan to do that for everybody. she does not favor paying the tuition of higher income people because when higher income people pay higher taxes, you should use the money to invest in new infrastructure, new clean energy, new jobs that will be created for middle-class people when they get their education. i think it is the better argument. i also think it is unrealistic to think that one third of the cost will be deferred by state legislatures that have run against steady money on college, and run in favor of
cutting taxes. so, we don't want to have a college loan program that only helps people who are lucky enough to live in states that a, have democratic members, and b, are not broke. we are celebrating that they finally have enough money to increase funding for the state niversity. i pat them on the back, i think hat. it will be auto for them to come up with a third of the cost of free tuition for every single citizen. here is a more important thing. i don't know how many times i have heard this story, but the other night i was over seeing my granddaughter. my daughter and hillary were out campaigning, so i went to
see my son-in-law, and we were babysitting. n the way home, i did what i tried to do often in other towns. i stopped at a little coffee shop. a young african-american was a serving coffee, it is only a young person serving coffee. i had a conversation with her i try to have everywhere. how long have you had this job? five years, on and off. what is off? she smiled. when i am going to college. i said, what is on? she said when i have to come here and work to pay my debts off so i can hope will he go back to college. it is already five years, and she has not gotten a degree. are you living at home? yes, i'm -- my mother does not make enough to help me, but at least i have free rent, otherwise i would have bigger debt. that is a big story in america, does anybody know anyone like that? [applause]
that is a big story in america. so we talked about it. two days later, i went to buy a pair of jeans from a lady in new york that i have done business with over the years. i knew she had a son who graduated from one of the cities colleges. i said, how is your son doing? gray, he is going to get a good job, i am so proud of him. i said, does he have any student that? what is the interest rate? 9%. i said, do you have a home mortgage? she said, sure i do. did you refinance it? of course i did. what is yours? less than 4%. this is crazy, a college loan is the only loan in the united states that you cannot
refinance. it did you know that? every other type of loan you can refinance. we need to let everybody refinance. [applause] f you can do just that, just that, if we did just about overnight, 25 million young americans would save an average of more than $2000 a piece of just by refinancing. hen, since a college education, no less than a home is a lifetime asset, and you can get a 20-30 year mortgage on your home, she proposes to give college students the option, no matter how much they borrow from whatever source, the option to turn it into a mortgage. 20 years, at a fixed rate, that never, never can exceed more than 10% of your after-tax
income. maybe you went to medical school, think what that would mean. you can move out of your parents' house. you could take a lower paying job that you love better because the payments would go down with the salary. you could go to the bank and borrow money to start a small business, and your debt would not count against your credit score because it will be a fixed percentage of your income, and if you start a business and do not make any money the first year, it is ok because your payment would go down. this could liberate millions of people to contribute to our economy, so we can reduce inequality and all right together. it would be a very big thing to do. [applause]
the last thing i want to say is this, i don't want to keep you in, it is a beautiful day. in the end, being president is a doing job. there is a reason it is called the chief executive. she is the best doer i have ever known, and she was when i first met her. look, i sympathize with these young people who are excited about being told there is one xplanation for the misery of america, and that is the greed of the wall street banks. but the truth is, wall street is smaller, and new york city is growing like crazy, led by the bronx and brookland and queens, and entrepreneurs in new york and manhattan that are diversifying the income. right? so, what are we going to do about this? the thing that all -- always struck me about hillary, she would say, what am i going to do? what am i going to do? the only thing that
disappointed me about the debate, was the sneering reference her opponent may two the award she won in the south. oh, that is that's just the south. [laughter] we know how conservative they are. but democrats need to win florida and north carolina to get elected, and they are highly diverse. and she won a victory there. she won in mississippi, partly because they have a mayor in acksonville, and african-american guy who is the mbodiment of the future. she won in alabama, 93% of the african-american majority vote -- african-american vote and a majority of the white vote. because she was a
young woman, she went to alabama for the children's defense fund to help shut down private, segregated academies. [applause] it took a lot of dots -- guts to go in and pose as a racist mother to prove that it was ripping off taxpayers and violating the law. and she did it, and where i come from, the proof is in the utting, and there is a difference between talk and do, and she is a doer. [applause] so, that is what i would say. she worked on juvenile justice reform and south carolina, that is why she got a big boat. she did not want african-american teenagers kept in jail in years with adults. and have their lives ruined. i remember one time i was unning for office, and i asked a guy if he was tired of me because i had been governor for
10 years or and he said no, but most of my friends are. my feelings were hurt and i said, don't they think i did a good job? he said yes they do, but you got a paycheck every two weeks, didn't you? in other words, that is what you are hired to do. but if you are running for the most important job of the country, your past performance is a good indicator of future performance. she has been a doer her whole life. she has a history of helping new york and all their burrows. she stunned the local press in long island. ists there -- i was there. the press runs up to the guy and said, i thought you were a republican. the farmer said, i thought i was, too. how can you be for her? he said look, everyone sounds good at election time.
all i know, i have been doing this for a long time. and she is the only official at her level who has ever actually done anything for our family farmers. i am for her. [applause] that is what i want to say to you. when she represented you in the senate, a young man from the pentagon came up to me when i was visiting the congress one day, long after i left office. he said, you ought to know over at the pentagon, your wife does not agree with us all the time, we know she is the first one from new york, but we do know she knows more about our business, and cares more about our people than any member of congress in either party. she always chooses astray, never takes a cheap shot, even when she disagrees with us, she
works with us. you ought to be proud of that. i will never forget it, as long as i live. so i ask you, to support her, because she has the best ideas. maybe the only person left in either party capable of walking into the cauldron of what is going on in the world, and making good things happen, and minimizing the prospect of bad things, and making good things happen at home. when it is all said and done nd you look at all of this wonderful diversity, you think what you really want. in our family, we all believe that if you ask hillary this question, our daughter this question, how do you measure when you succeed a public service? we all believe there are only three things that matter. for people that were with you
when you started and quick, do people and young children have a brighter future, and are we coming together instead of being torn apart? if you can say yes to those three questions, it is a job well done. a life well lived, and a future secured. if you want to answer yes, i implore you to go out and vote for hillary on tuesday. thank you very much. cheers and applause]
join us at 9:00 eastern for election results, candidate speeches and viewer reaction. taking you on the road to the white house on c-span, c-span adio and c-span.org. while heading into tomorrow's new york primary, hillary clinton leads bernie sanders in the delegate count. according to the associated press, she has 1,758 delegates. he has 1,076. on the republican side, it's donald trump who leads. he has 744 delegates. 559 for ted cruz and john kasich pulling up the rear with 444. from "the hill" today. protest season on capitol hill. capitol police say 1240 people have been arrested and that includes 300 people today alone on the capitol's east front steps. people arrested during the program including rosario dawson. and laurence lessick and multiple top staffers for
liberal progressive change campaign committee. democracy spring is the group organizing the protest and they're calling on congress to vote on bills to reform campaign finance laws, modernize voter registration and consider president obama's nominee for the supreme court. democratic candidate bernie sanders has expressed solidarity for the protest. he wrote on twitter last week that americans understand that our government is dominated by big money. glad to see people taking action to restore democracy. you can read more about this and about the protest at thehill.com. the u.s. house in recess until 4:00 p.m. eastern today. about an hour from now. they'll gavel back in to start debate on several bills including one requiring a report on the homeland security department's efforts to consolidate its headquarters. tomorrow members will take up legislation dealing with hiring and pay of i.r.s. employees. see the house live when they gavel back in at 4:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. until then a conversation from this morning's "washington journal" on today's supreme
court case on immigration. phon. good morning to you. guest: good morning, how are you? host: thank you for joining us. i want to take us how we got here today and what these executive actions specifically are that this case focuses on. like many things in washington, this case grows out of gridlock in congress. the president did not make immigration reform his priority when he first got here in 2009. he focused on health care. as a result, you saw the muscle he had any mandate he had to get health care through. immigration for -- reform languished. he tried to push a reform package that would ease up on a lot of the folks here who are here without documents. the house of representatives would not go along. he pushed through by executive action, a program called deferred action for childhood arrivals.
that went through without too much objection. that is a program that allows immigrants who came here without documents as children, brought here with their parents, no-fault of their own. to be able to get deferred deportation, in other words, temporary protection from deportation. you won't be deported for in that case two years. it is renewable after those years. that enables you to apply for work authorization, to receive work associated benefits like health care, disability, retirement, not welfare benefits. those people become not really lawful residence, but become temporary residence without any fear of deportation. withoutd those people fear of deportation, would have to be paying taxes as well. guest: yes. if they are working, they would become taxpayers. in 2014, this was november 2014, the president pushed through,
well attempted to push through a program called the deferred action for parents of americans and lawful permanent residents. the president and administration argue is to prevent the breakup of families. you have citizen children, these are children who came -- whose parents came without documents and then gave birth to children who are because they are born here. also other children were lawful residence. their parents are the one who were the focus of this program. to 4 the estimates are up million parents could qualify for this program, it's not a blanket thing where everyone would get this benefit right away, they would off to apply individually through a slow process. and then if they got that benefit -- if they got that status, they could then apply for work authorization. that is another process they have to go through.
the administration always says, each person has to apply for this and they need to pass background checks and they need to show that they do not have alan these or a quantity of misdemeanors on the record. they need to have been here since january 1 of 2010. if they pass all of these hurdles, they would be eligible for this deferred action. it is protection from deportation, in this case for three years. also i should say at the same time, the president also sought to expand the program for children with some minor changes including making that timeslot from two years to three years. now it would be three years of deferral from deportation. you would pay a fee for this. ,f you are unable to get this you pay $455. host: these were immediately challenged. guest: the president's office in november of 2014.
before the winter was over, a district court judge in , the court, texas was hand-picked by the plaintiffs in this case. they went to this court and in february of 2015, he ruled that texas likely have standing to sue and that a reasonable likelihood of winning. he blocked the program nationally, he issued a preliminary injunction. he said obama likely violated the administrative procedure act , partially by simply not giving notice and speaking -- seeking public comment when you do regulatory changes in the government, a lot of changes need this process to go through where you issue a notice of what you intend to do. you seek public comment. judge said the president violated this, he never ruled on the merits, we have not gotten to that stage. he issued a national preliminary injunction which basically
pocket -- block the program. they appealed to the fifth circuit court of appeals which is in louisiana. it is the appeals court for texas, louisiana and mississippi. and that court by a two to one margin in november, last november. it's been a year since the president sought to start this, upheld the district court decision and said they went the aunt did and said obama likely exceeded his authority. that he doesn't have his executive authority to be setting immigration law. host: and this case eventually made its way to the supreme court today. are there tea leaves to be read today? what are we looking for today in the justice's questions to be two sides? guest: the presumption is the four, i'm going to use the terms liberal unsecured -- conservative, it's not been --
an indication. the four more liberal justices are presumably on obama side either hehink that can go forward with this process or at the least, that texas did not have the proper standing to be suing the federal government in this case. quickly, the say issue there, it could be very important, is that texas says with the other states -- with 25 other states backing it up, the reason it has standing to sue is that it would have to pay a portion of the drivers licenses for these people. it's a very important benefit they would be eligible to receive. them are running around without -- driving around about drivers license or did so they say the cost of the drivers license is what texas says make them able to sue. hasf justice john roberts never liked a broad policy of
making it easy for anyone to sue , whether that's the states, individuals, companies or whomever. he could take a very dim view of whether this license plate argument is enough for texas to prove it has immediate or almost immediate injury, your abdomen injury, you have to show you have been injured in order to go to court. that will be one thing to look for. another thing is just anthony kennedy, usually the swing vote. but there's no real swing vote anymore when you're at a quarter of eight. anthony kennedy wrote the 2012 on thejune of last major immigration case out of arizona where arizona tried to do certain things on its own after being frustrated by a lack of federal enforcement. ,hile that decision was split it mostly went in favor of the federal government in all but one instance and kennedy was the author of that decision. it was a 6-3 decision.
all eyes as usual are on justice kennedy and in a certain degree chief justice roberts. those are the two that could push the case in obama's favor. the worst that would happen would be a 4-4 tie vote. that upholds the fifth circuit court of appeals decision which went against the administration, so 4-4 and the program at least the program-- ends at least to the obama administration. host: when we set here the decision question mark --? guest: i would not expect a decision until the end of june. when the court wasn't a conference after the case is heard, if they are tied for-four and they don't -- if they don't but i think they will try, if they don't try to get out of the 4-4 deadlock and if that's just going to be the final result, it's possible we would hear that sooner. the court doesn't write anything when that happens.
this has only been a recent occurrence after scalia's death. they just lock up for-four and issue a one sentence ruling, basically we are tied for-four and that confirms the lowest -- the lower courts ruling. that if that will decision we did hear that an anytime. host: richard wolf, a reporter for usa today. more on the supreme court and immigration from this morning's "washington journal." host: one of those is doris at the u.s. serves
immigration policy program. she oversees the nonpartisan think tank studying immigration laws, border enforcement, the impact of legal and it -- and illegal immigration. the programs at the heart of the case are those deferred action programs announced by the president in 2014. remind us again what those programs would do and how you qualify for those, and an your institute has come up with and the number of people impacted. the large numbers, really under discussion in the supreme court, it means different action, or parents of americans and lawful residents. our viewers might have seen signs for dapa. that is what it is referring to. guest: dapa has become a well-known acronym.
it bills on another program, daca, deferred action for childhood arrivals. it is a program that had been announced earlier and it applied just too young people brought to the country before they reached adulthood. they are otherwise referred to as the dream population. they did not themselves dissipate. the big program is the dapa program. he could be eligibility for about as many as 3.6 million people. just under 4 million. program, which also is potential forous
close to five main people. host: how does that compare to previous efforts for amnesty and other protections? out in thefolks supreme court mentioned he was originally affected by ronald reagan's actions. put this in perspective in terms of the 3.4 main people? 3.6 million people. program the gentleman was referring to came about because of legislation, signed by president reagan. it had a legalization program in it. after that legalization program, because that was limited to people who had been in the whotry for five years, could qualify under certain criteria, they also had family
members not eligible for the program. program, legalization there was a similar deferred action program that allowed people in the country without statusto actually get a somewhat similar to what is being talked about now. that is a precedent in some ways for what is going on in the decision. about 1.5 million people eligible for it. the important thing about it is it was about the same percentage of the unauthorized population of the country at that time as the doppler program is as a number of unauthorized people now. you have with this program, if it is upheld and the president's authority is upheld,
ofewhere close to about 40% the overall size of the unauthorized population would he eligible to get this deferral from deportation. that is a proportion similar to the program in the past. thee have been other times president has used this authority to defer action and and tod deportation grant eligibility for work authorization. there are precedents for this. the numbers are large in any in the past. host: if you want to call in with questions or comments in this segment, if you are a recent illegal immigrant -- i want you to start
calling in and get your questions. before we get to those questions, what do we know about 3.6 million people in terms of income levels, in terms of age and how long we have been there? what has this to what have the studies shown? thing toe important understand is how long they have been in the united states. 80% of the people in the country who are here without legal status, about 11 million people, about 80% of them have been here more than five years. this is a population that is established, deeply woven into our labor force, to communities. a very important characteristic is they are heavily members of mixed households and mixed status families. you have lawful permanent residents, people with no legal status, people who are eligible for this program. to be eligible for the program,
you need to have it in the country for at least five years. you need to be the parent of either a u.s. citizen child or a lawful child. that is now a substantial number of people. sue is up first from maryland. you're on with doris meissner. good morning. i'm watching your program and trying to figure out in my mind what shadows these people are beking behind when they can illegally in my country and stand before the supreme court. the other question i would like to make is these are not unauthorized folks. if you break the law continuously, you continuously define our laws and we reward you with the ability to stay here and our children and
grandchildren have to compete for jobs in this country because we do not have two countries to call home. folks demanding from the american taxpayer, who has nothing more than to view these folks as burdens. they are burdens on our society id quite frankly, accidentally -- i am absolutely for deporting them. the country needs to look at revisiting citizenship and look at this stuff because no one has a right to be in our country and these folks do not have a right to demand of our legal system in our country. this is why immigration is one issue for me and many other people. to see our immigration laws enforced. i am against daca and dapa. tot: i want doris meissner weigh and peer you used the term
undocumented. explain that versus illegal. guest: we use the term unauthorized. this caller is objecting to, because that is the term the census bureau uses. the census bureau uses that term .requently to be honest, people are not undocumented. many of them are false documents. unauthorized is the senses term. people are illegally in the country. that is correct. the opinions about this are very sharp and the caller has a clear point of view that a lot of people share. complex story. people have come to the country illegally but at the same time, we have a labor market that has been for decades asking for more economythan the u.s.
and the native foreign population produces, , in areasly workers of the economy that less and less americans are going into. andly skilled, low skilled, the issue of burden is also a very mixed picture. unauthorized immigrants, people who are in the country, pay taxes, have money deducted from their paychecks for social they have been contributing to the economy and illegal status, even if it is a deferral of deportation, generates more revenue, both at the state and local 11 -- local level, as well as federally. you can find a lot of the atormation on these topics
migrationpolicy.org. you can find estimates about the unauthorized population by state. the last caller was from maryland. estimated in maryland, 233,000. you can click around the map or find statistics about the entire population expected estimated at about 11 million. james is in north carolina on that line for all others. you are up next. caller: can you hear me? ok. i have a granddaughter that is seven. she would be called legally anchor baby, her mother has been here 14 years. went -- just had not come up yet.
both my neighbors on both sides are ideal and one has been here 15 years. in that family, two brothers and my other neighbors are young and i do not know exactly how long the children have been here. -- dapa, ir all guess i would be for p or i may trump supporter. forink he would create away them to get in. my granddaughter, i love her to death. the only thing she has gotten from the government when she was born, a heart surgery. they do not get any food stamps.
that thing in the state she is in, not north carolina. she can i get drivers licenses. , start the only thing without drivers license. one other thing, i wish there were some way, when i know they were from one party or the other, i wish they would just tell the truth. i feel they make up stuff. thing, a program that you had to have multiple forms here in north carolina, you don't. there are multiple forms you can use. , what ares meissner the estimates about the number of people who would sign up for dapa if it were allowed to go through? james was talking about he knows
he had been here in my p eligible for the program, won't people sign up and become registered with the government, not knowing whether an administration down the road might change the program? guest: that is a big issue. we won't know. it is what the discrete -- the supreme court decides. if it decides to uphold the president's action, it is a very short time to run election. because that decision will probably come in june. there are probably people who will be concerned about signing up because of the election outcome in a very different positions each party has taken. the other hand, there is such an important benefit available here to people who have been in the circumstances that this that you canbes imagine many people also want to take the opportunity.
the best indication that we have is the daca program, the one already operating, started in 2012 for young people, fewer people are eligible, about a 1,000,000.2 people. in the range of who would be eligible for that program. and about 800,000 have signed up for it. that is a high participation. i think we could probably expect that if the dapa program is upheld. it is also the case that the program probably will not be ready to go around election time. it takes a little while to gear up the process. there will certainly be a lot of discussion about this in the campaigns, whichever way the court decides. waiting in utah on the line for all others. good morning. i have a few comments,
and then i have a question. i see the people out here saying it is their right to be in the country and everything else. we have borders for a reason. going to be the united states for the world, let's take over the world and make everything america and then we will get taxes from everybody and nobody will be coming in. anyhow, i believe we should have a border. babies who are born here illegally should go back with their parents and come to the front door. my question actually is you said people come into the country and they pay taxes and they pay social security illegally. i want to know how they get the social security numbers in order to be employed? a lot of these people work off for lowernd work
wages than americans do and that also keeps them and the lever of -- level of poverty unfair. guest: that is correct a lot of people work off of the books, a lot of employers want people to work off of the books. it means they do not need to pay taxes to the government. but it is interesting many people do work on the books. correct. in terms of social social security numbers, those are generally false. what happened here is an which ise paradox, that people pay into the social security system, those where itial security to direction, is a high proportion that is deducted into false accounts of other people. that becomes a surplus in the social security account for the country overall.
surplus helps to balance out the viability of the social security system as well as the overall federal budget and those people who paid in under false to claimre not able social security earnings later in life. them, it is complying and their employers are complying. they are never going to be the beneficiaries of those earnings because they are on numbers that do not belong to them. ryan is in massachusetts also on the line for all others. i am actually a citizen of the united states. i want to speak on immigration policy. we should go as far as the -- and far right in terms of border security.
host: on that border security issue, that color talk about a strong border. one of the other callers in the earlier segment talking about concern about mexicans coming across the border and that the mexican government is not doing enough inside its own borders. in terms of the immigrant population, how much comes from mexico and how much comes from other countries? guest: i am glad it came up. question of border security is absolutely fundamental. definitely, we need to have borders that are effectively controlled. is to me that disturbing about the debate is that perception that
the borders are uncontrolled and that we do not have border security. that is wrong. we have less today than we have had for 50 years. we are at a historic low. mexico, which has been the primary source since the early down to laste year, the apprehensions were about 188 thousand mexicans. that was 1.6 million in 2000. in 15 to 16 years, we have made extraordinary progress. illegal immigration primarily from central america because of violence and terrible
.anger the ability of border responding to be the illegal immigration that has been historic has changed dramatically and that is for a lot of reasons. we have put extraordinary resources into the southwest border. we now spend about $19 billion a year as a country on immigration enforcement overall. border enforcement, enforcement in the interior of the country. is more by quite a percentage than all of the expenditures on federal criminal fbi,nforcement for the dea, secret service, marshal service. we have made a tremendous investment in border enforcement. it has doubled in a reasonably short time.
these are historic changes and they have been combined with changes in mexico. mexico's fertility has come down dramatically. it is basically now that of the united states. a growing middle-class. it has had economic growth sustained for more than a decade. mexico is now a country where more people return to mexico from the united states than the come -- than they come. losing as far as the united states is concerned. a situationg at where basically the combination jobhanges in our own structure, changes in mexico, and a real investment and enforcement, a modern border infrastructure, are in place. never going to have zero illegal immigration, that we can have manageable illegal immigration, controlled borders,
and we are basically at that point. is with us meissner for the next half hour or so. we're taking your comments but also showing you live interviews from the steps of the supreme court. we go up there to our own greta, with a lawyer representing undocumented mothers in today's case. we're here with tom, the president of masking an illegal education fund. you are representing three women today in the court. tell us what your legal argument is. mothers whoh texas would have the ability to apply -- texaseferred action
has no standing, that is to say, no right to challenge from november of 2014 because they have no clear individual injury oft would occur to the state texas. like every state, it would benefit from providing the temporary relief that the guidance would potentially provide. why is it not found when they say they would have to provide the drivers license and it is a fee and therefore that is the hurt for the state of texas. state of texas long ago made a decision to subsidize driver's license because the legislature and governor decided that on balance, it was better to have people driving with licenses, meaning they were tested and regulated and registered rather than having too many unlicensed drivers.
that is their judgment, it should be respected even today and therefore, there is no harm or injury and it is instead the result of their own legislative process. greta: how did you come about to represent these women? thomas: 48 years since it was founded, it stood for the rights of all latinos in the united states, and that includes many immigrants who had been here raising families without full legal protections. that includes these three jane does. greta: how is it you will get to argue before the justices. you will get 10 minutes before this 90 minute argument. how did that come about? thomas: the jane does are the only intervenors who sought to intervene and be parties in the case. initially, the judge and district court denied that intervention. we took an appeal and he was overruled.
the many eligible for dapa should be eligible for court. fore will be 45 minutes each side. on behalf of the united states, 35 minutes and i will have 10 minutes on behalf of the jingo intervenors. have 30e of texas will minutes and the house of representatives, which has appeared as a friend of the court, will have 15 minutes. into theces will go decision-making process and we expect an answer by the end of june as to whether the state of texas has the right to contest the president's exercise of executive discretion and if it has the right, whether what they did is consistent with the law, as we believe it is. this will be the first time i argued before the supreme court but i argued in other federal courts. this is obviously at a different level, but i look forward to speaking on behalf of our clients and the many others who deserve the temporary relief announced by president obama over one year ago.
nervous, yes. the eight justices without antonin scalia, how are you preparing for what type of question you might get from each of these justices? thomas: this process is very involved with a lot of help from the cocounsel and many others who stepped forward to go through practice arguments. you never know what the questions will be. it appears the justices shouldn't and will be very interested in the standing, whether this exercise of discretion is somehow against the law and what congress has decreed, or against what the constitution permits. we think it is consistent with the constitution and history supports us. it took a lot of preparation to get here and we will have to wait to see what the focus of the justices may be. the absence of a nine -- ninth justice is hard because the senate refused to act on the
nomination of merrick garland. a risk of a 4-4 tie. we have got the task together with the solicitor general through this argument. that in fact texas does not have the right to challenge the .resident's discretion in court the president acted consistently with the constitution and all statutory authority. is a 4-4 there decision, the delayed deportation programs are frozen for the rest of the administration? thomas: it means the preliminary gin junction -- preliminary injunction will stay in place. it is impossible to put it. at least is the law deciding if the case should not go forward and certainly the preliminary junction should be lifted and the president should have the ability to implement the guidance he announced.
i think the election in november may be even more critical than folks have already identified it .s in what are the enforcement priorities, what are the right ways to deploy the resources with respect to immigration? whoever that president is, he or she will decide, given limited released since 2010, and have no criminal conduct to disqualify them. we still look for some form of temporary relief in deferred action or otherwise. greta: thank you for your time. host: we will be in the courtroom today.
doris will be in the courtroom but not arguing today. she is with us for the next 25 minutes or so this morning, taking your questions and comments as we discuss the key supreme court case. the arguments beginning at 10:00 today. where we leftn off if there is an injunction that stays in place. is there a plan b when it comes to the obama administration, is there a backup plan if the case is decided against the obama administration? guest: no. this is an exercise of the -- the backup plan is already in place. the backup plan is that the administration has clear guidelines. prosecute -- processing curry a guidelines. priority on high
, and a low priority on people who do not have criminal backgrounds. in other words, the kind of people who could be held either deferred action. action does not go into place, about 88% of the population of unauthorized immigration the country, about 80% of the 11 million are by and large protected from deportation because they are low priority and do not fall in one of the areas that are targeted for deportation. that is not nearly as satisfying to people who are in those circumstances because they could at some point run afoul of the law in some way or the classic broken tail light and they are in the country illegally. apply fore able to
it, they have a piece of paper that says they are deferred from deportation. if the injunction stands, the country would go ahead and forcing the immigration law the latest now and people would be deported. about 60% of the people who would be deported, there are about 300,000 people per year who are deported. 60% of them are criminals. the vast majority would stay where they are, but they would andn a frozen circumstance would continue to be in a situation where they do not have a permit to work and with that comes a lot of exploitation on the part of employers and a great deal of fear on the part of the people themselves. a lot of callers waiting to chat with you. sarah is in new jersey. a recent legal immigrant.
good morning. caller: a question. i believe reagan was a republican. obama is a democrat. if reagan did not make it happen then, why are the republicans blocking obama? if they understand what people are going through in the country, you would know that [indiscernible] that is why they came here. to make a living for their families. the problem is not from the democrats. [indiscernible] fighting against the bill.
[indiscernible] mexico, people from africa, i do not see why they would vote for republicans. republicans do not want something good for the people. vote, we are not going to vote for republicans. republicans are all the same. host: all right. doris meissner. guest: this color put her finger on what the issue is pierce solutions to the issues rests with congress. but congress has not been able to come to any kind of agreement for more than a decade on immigration issues. did sign thegan last major immigration bill in 1986. that was an entirely different era where congress and its ability to work together across party lines is concerned.
that 1986 bill was a compromise bill that had strong bipartisan and compromises and agreements that were struck. that we on immigration have never been able to pass major immigration legislation or the ways in which we have been able to pass legislation in our system over time have and with a strong, bipartisan center. there have always been strong disagreements on each extreme side of the political spectrum. you need to have a strong center and we do not have that now. because we have not been able to legislate for decades on immigration, the reality on the ground is completely different from statutes and statutory language that is out of date. all of theseto
other ways of trying to solve problems that fundamentally need to be solved by congress. we want to hear what is happening on the ground in your part of the country as we talk and study the issue of immigration that is at the center of the supreme court case happening today. .ary is in georgia good morning. i am a republican and i have worked with a lot of immigrants. i want to say the last job i one, why the immigrants would work and the mexicans would work so hard. , i was a landscaper. when we would do a job like a fire bed, cleaning we doubt, i theyht -- i knew how hard worked. i notice when they would do
something, they would not pull would throwt, they pine-sol to cover stuff up and i thought, what impact would that have later? he kept asking me, who are you voting for, who are you going to vote for? i thought, why would he be asking me that. wife, a maid, who has been a made for a while now, she worked 28 days. she has been in fear of losing her job because there is a mexican who works there and she has only been working there for about a month and they told my wife to watch her and see how she works so fast, to learn something. i quiz my wife every day because she is the only one supporting me and my two children.
i would ask her every day what she is doing to make herself better so you will not lose your job, and my wife would tell me what she was doing. the girl would be sweating her but off working. she would take the rag and clean the sink and take the rag and then go over counter tops and counters. i do not really blame the immigrants -- dan paul is on the line for illegal immigrants in new york city. good morning. caller: good morning. i've been here since 1997, november. have a daughter born here, 17 years, 16 years old now. my son came here when he was one
year old. the obama gmac. a social security number now, so i run a small, business, i have a small business. i have a tax id number and i pay my taxes every year. best, but i do that whatevery souation comes out of this, that i could play into this. that is my question to miss joyce. textbook case. eligibleeman would be for the program if the supreme court decides to uphold the president's action.
two u.s. citizen children. therefore he is the parent or u.s. citizen of a lawful resident children. not only being in the country, but also being able to pass a criminal background check. one question from jean in ohio as we have been talking about this, comparison to other countries programs, is it true say youico and canada must be a citizen of those countries to work in the country? to be a citizen to work in mexico or canada? guest: certainly not canada. are the major immigrant countries in the world. canada allows people to work who are not yet citizens.
mexico is not an immigration country so most people, the vast majority of people who live in mexico are mexican citizens. i do not know mexico's law but i do know mexico has a southern border with guatemala, large -- large numbers of people with guatemala, some of them with work permits and some not. as the united states does, have laws that say you need to be legally in the country and have a legal status in the country in order to work. people here without a legal status, when they are working, employers are violating the law and they are in violation of the law. for: here on the line silver spring, maryland, evelyn. caller: thank you for listening to me.
citizen, actually. [indiscernible] come as an illegal immigrant. , a nicesay undocumented 81 from el salvador. , a warleeing a war supported by the u.s. government . to a country of only 5 million people. i became legalized. make his i wanted to believe many people in the u.s., either they are against nobody isn because
going all around -- or they are plain racist. people don't leave their countries just because they want to leave. i had no idea i would be coming to the u.s. the intervention [indiscernible] say you think those are the only two reasons people could be against illegal immigration, what about those already this morning who say they have got to the process fair fornd it is not illegal immigrants to get some of the benefits in the program that they stood in line and spent thousands of dollars and years going to the process legally? caller: that is a great point.
tried to comeve legally to the u.s., especially from undeveloped countries, they do not even get to the u.s. embassy. over and over, you know, for example, in my case, my own came in the 1960's. when he was able to come. he actually sponsored me to come because i was actually a student with the university of el salvador. military, whohe was killing and torturing students and people in general. my visa was denied. i want to get doris
meissner to weigh in because she studied the bigger picture of this. guest: this is the point about access to the u.s. and people who presumably do it right and stand in line. most people in the country illegally, there was no line to stand in. it goes back to the point of an outdated immigration law. we have an immigration law that does not provide enough u.s.tunity to come to the for work purposes in ways that are currently reflected in our economy. the best example i can give you is unskilled workers. during the 1990's, in particular up until the recession in 2007, we had huge growth in lower skilled jobs. tremendous numbers and not enough nativeborn americans going into that work.
we reduced the numbers of visas available for people with lower skills to 5000, at a time when there were -- perhaps half a million people per year coming into the labor market in the united states. our visa system is completely out of sync with our economy. our visa system ample -- a very important value, an extremely important thing to preserve, but it does not have nearly enough opportunities to meet the employment needs of a country. host: just a few minutes left with doris meissner. gary is in the villages, florida. go ahead. good morning. i have a few questions.
is it illegal for employers in the country to hire illegals? guest: yes, it is. whoemployers to hire people are not in the country legally. caller: ok. why would >> you can see the rest of this segment on c-span.org. the house is coming in to debate eight bills. live coverage on c-span. today suspend the rules on which a recorded vote or the the yeas and nays are ordered or on which the vote incurs objection under clause 6 of rule 20. record votes on postponed questions will be taken later. for what purpose does the gentleman from south carolina seek recognition? >> i move the house suspend the rules and pass the bill s. 1638, department of homeland security headquarters consolidation accountability act of 2015.