tv Key Capitol Hill Hearings CSPAN May 2, 2016 8:00pm-10:01pm EDT
hello, indianapolis. you?re thank you so much for coming out. thank you for coming out. the constitution of the united states of america. a newspaper asked me earlier today, why have i endorsed ted cruz, why am i here. the simple answer is that i'm not here for any one man. i'm not here for anyone's platform. i'm here because i have found a man who i believe will take the oath and actually mean it, that he will protect and defend the constitution of the united states of america. [applause] is all we need. that is all we need. we have not tried it for 100 years.
that is the answer to everything. when donald trump talks about -- he's going to raise tariffs on people. but, quite honestly, it's in the united states in a victim again. it is victimhood. that is all that is. it is not that we are not charging china for tariffs, it is not that we need to erect a barrier for trade, when used to be done is to use the constitution to free america's , the dreamers, entrepreneurs, the small businessman. [applause] get the government out of the way and let us create! [applause] when i first heard donald trump say that he was going to make ,merica great again, i thought this guy's ego never stops. there is no end to his ego.
a president does not make america great. a president stands as a sentinel between you and the bloated government and he is facing this way trying to hold them back. he is just like, keep going, keep going, you people stop. that is what the president does. he stops the bloated government from getting into your life. by applying the constitution. [applause] you, this is the first time i have ever endorsed somebody. i have not endorsed a candidate ever before in my life. first half of the my career, nobody wanted my endorsement. [laughter] now, it not begging for is because i'm from texas. ted, we watched them
as our senator. texans don't fool around. i have learned that when i first moved out there. i'm talking to the governor in texas now, to make sure i'm worried about the border wall. i want to make sure it is on the northern and western side of texas as well. if you want to come to texas, you better hurry. [laughter] cruz and heenator came into my office and my , heio years ago and he said is for the constitution. i'm just like you. i would defendant. i said, mr. cruz, i have heard this over and over again. and then you get to washington and you all become weasels. and he said, i'm not going to be. i said, please don't make this into account. [laughter] you, and if you
become a weasel, i will become your worst nightmare. [applause] not once have i seen that man flinch. not once have i seen that man misstep, not once have i seen him entering his values, not once. [applause] i have seen him take arrows from the front, from the democrats, i have seen him take arrows from all sides in the media and now from our own side, the drudge report and fox news, -- [boo.] i have seen him take arrows from all sides. then john boehner and mcconnell as they sat him in the back -- stabbed him in the back. he is like gandalf. he stands there on the bridge balrog saying you
shall not pass. [applause] he is immovable. the reason why is because he knows who is. he knows who he serves and that is god and currently the people of texas and soon to be the people of the united states of america. [applause] raised by a father who it has actually walked up to a wall -- who has actually walked up to a wall. try this for size. keep up with being marched to be executed. he was 19 e years old. on the way, with the soldiers behind him, he saw a friend on the government side and he said,
hey, bill, how are you doing. that is what his friend said. come over here. that is how close he was to losing his life. when he escaped and comes to jesusa and that he finds and america and the dream of america, and he sets it right. i can type this. that man taught ted cruz since he was this big. about freedom, the opportunity, the constitution and how it all can with god. connects with god. [applause] he knows the competition. ted and i were just driving in and he is laughing. you made another drudge headline. and i said, better than the headline of you pushing carly
off the stage. [laughter] it was because last night, when i got home, i did something that i don't think is controversial. to fast andamerica pray and approach the lord with humility and ask for his forgiveness and his protection. [applause] it is being mocked in the media as usual, but i'm telling you, i do not know who we are. if this is not an american thing to be able to beseech the almighty creator, the one who gave us these rights in the first place, and through divine providence, establish this country, i don't know who we are. [applause] but i'm going to make it easier
for them to make fun of me. i just want to tell you and ask you, if you can recognize this person. tell me if this does not sound like someone we might know. cruz! no also in those days, the perilous time shall come and men will be lovers of themselves . proud,ll be coveted, blasphemers, disobedient, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection. ierce,s, speiser's -- f pleasure, lovers of more than god. having the form of godliness, ,ut denying the power thereof from those people, ye shall turn
away. [applause] it could not be more clear and yet so many people in america are missing it. we have lost common sense when we can say, dude, you still have downstairs, then you should not go in the ladies restroom. [applause] when we can't say that, we have lost our minds. [applause] that has nothing to do with hate, nothing to do with homosexuality, any of the sexualities that we now have, it has everything to do with common sense. i have daughters, i don't want guys in the bathroom with my daughters. [applause] we are smarter than this.
i will tell you what, george in 1789, he came in and he made a covenant in a building in a church that is called the little church that stood. the reason it is called a little church that stood is because it is the church run across from the world trade center. it is the only building across from the trade center that did not lose all of its windows. in fact, this church did not crack a single window. it was the church where they and theyhe firemen rested in the church. it is in that church that after the inauguration of george washington, congress said and decreed that the senate and the house shall follow the new president to that church and for four hours, they prayed and
george washington made a covenant and said we will be your people and you shall be our god. we have violated that, we have mocked him, we have chased him out and, you know what, he is like my dad. he is like me as a debt. there are times i will tell my kids, it is bedtime. then i will get louder, it is bedtime, knock it off. pretty soon, i'm walking up the stairs and i'm coming for you. [laughter] that's the way he is. he is our debt. -- our dad. he is asking each of us to take a stand. you are taking that stand tomorrow. tomorrow -- this is the most incredible election i have ever seen in my lifetime. it is usually settled by now. it is usually settled by texas.
everybody decided before got to us. this time, every single boat counts. -- vote counts. it is like we are being held accountable. do you want your freedom or not? do you want the republic or not? [applause] the answer is yes we do! yes, we do! [applause] your job tomorrow is to get every single person you can to the polls. this is going to be very tight. this is going to be something truly remarkable and exceptional and it is coming to the heartland. to me, that is so important. it is not the mind, not the people who are trapped in the think tanks and the people who want you to think in the media in new york and washington dc, it is the people who have connected here. all of this stuff is common sense. you know the answer.
you know the answer. the answer is more freedom for people and less government. [applause] the answer is more truth, fewer allies. -- fewer lies. those are the answers and you grandparents her taught it to you. i came as a regular guy. i'm just a dad coming to you from the state of texas telling you this is a man you can trust. i'm not going to put my name on somebody you cannot trust. he is a good, decent, honorable man. [applause] you can trust him. tomorrow, tomorrow you make the choice. will record what indiana did on the state 100 years from
now. did we renew the promise of our constitution and the promise of america, or did we let it slip through our fingers? that choice is your tomorrow. get out tomorrow and get everybody you know to the polls and pull the lever for cruise carly!ly -- cruz and [applause] i have met carly fiorina several times. she was on the show. i left her every time. every time she left, i love her. then we would get mail, i don't know about her. i would get everyone on the the, -- look at everyone on show and said i love her. at one point.s the first time after she voted z -- by the way, she
said i'm in for ted. she just wanted to do the right thing. her, ist time i saw think it was in south carolina. we were at a speedway. it was outside and there was this big stage and i was supposed to speak after her and she came down the stairs as i was coming up and she looked at me and was confident and a little bit of sass and she threw her hair back and said i told you i was a conservative. [applause] i wanted her to be the vice president because i said, carly, you know, if someone like you and you knewsident about the thomas jefferson administration and how he ran
the senate, and she smiled knowingly and said mhmm. [laughter] so you know? and she said, mhmm. she knows that went thomas jefferson was vice president, he wrote all the senate rules. in other words, a true vice and look can walk in at someone like mitch mcconnell you are in my suit. seat. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, the next vice president, carly fiorina. hello, hoosiers! [applause]
applause.] carly, carly! >> thank you so much. glenn is right. hoosierple of the futur state have an important role tomorrow. the have an important decision tomorrow that is going to reverberate all across this nation. i know that you all are here because you know the right thing to do. one of the things that i would like to do today is to help you go out tonight and tomorrow and can been some people who may not have figured out the right thing to do. election is, this about so much more than ted cruz and carly fiorina. in fact, it is not just the cruise carly fight, it is all of our fight. this is a fight for the soul of
our party and the future of our nation and we need every single one of you signed up to be warriors in this fight with us. [applause] i want to give you some ammunition. let me start by telling you about the man i've come to know. glenn is right, i did not know ted cruz personally. but i knew what he believed in what he had done. i think you know someone did a pattern of their life. what i knew, looking at the pattern of his life, this is a man who is grounded in faith. grounded in the constitution and p because the system. but i do not know him. the truth is, what i voted for him, i suspended my own presidential campaign because
there was no path to victory for me. i believed, that was you have a victory,have a path to your duty is to help a fellow conservative who can win. [applause] honestly, i wish john kasich would get the memo. [applause] i mean, really. governor kasich, you can't win 49 out of 50 times and get the nomination. tell your friends if any of them are thinking of voting for john kasich, a vote for john kasich is a vote for donald trump. you have a clear choice here. in any event, i went to the voting booth and my dear husband me,k of 32 years said to i'm voting for you, honey. , ok. my husband i went in the voting bit and i looked at the ballot in my own name was on the ballot. that is a thrill. have to be honest and i paused
because i thought about all of my supporters and people who work for us and then i thought, why did i run? what am i fighting for? i said that iran and i'm fighting -- i ran and i'm fighting for a constitutional conservative in the white house. i am fighting for someone who knows this is a fight and she will be a fearless warrior on our behind and i checked the box for ted cruz. [applause] then, did i sit down and have a conversation with him. i had met him behind stage at a debate, but those are not social gatherings. hour and i for an wanted to help. i have been on, a bus campaign with him for seven weeks. you get to know somebody on a bus for seven weeks.
let me to you about the guy i have come to know. first, i will tell you that we have been joined by some of his runs. some of his lifelong friends. whether his -- whether it is his college roommate or a friend from texas or mike lee from the utah. i would rather have mike lee and louie gohmert and david limbaugh -- i would rather have them as friends than john boehner. all those friends in the same thing about 10. they say he is exactly the same. behind closed doors, kicking back, out in public. i bring that up because at some of who has endorsed donald trump recently, ben carson is set on the day that he endorsed donald in publicis one guy
and one guy in private. the best decisions -- the biggest decisions presidents will make are made in private. we better know what kind of what kind of supreme court justice they won't nominate in private. we better know that whenever everybody is saying you can't do that, you can't actually go to a simple flat tax to illuminate president will say yes i can. we need to know who he is and private. -- in private. then i got to observe him as a husband. heri, you will get to meet in a bit. she is a brilliant woman. she is in a compost, brilliant woman. -- accomplished, brilliant woman. she has a harvard mba.
i have watched the two of them, they are true partners. i know that it takes a strong man to truly partner with a strong woman. ted cruz is a strong man with a great partner and heidi cruise. -- cruz. sheill make an awesome -- will make an awesome first lady. of course, i got to know his daughter's caroline and katherine, and what i observed about those two adorable girls as they adore the dead. dad.hey also know -- their but they also know he is engaged in important work. phey want to jump in his la and listen to him tell stores, but they know that they need to let him do his important work. doesn't that say a lot about a man when his children both adore
and respect him. [applause] you all know why the constitution is so important. but you may have fellow hoosiers who may not understand it. in the spirit of trying to equip tonightonvince others and tomorrow, i want to tell you a little bit about why the constitution is as relevant a document as the day it was written and why it is so critically important that we have a dedicated constitutional conservative in the white house. to do that, i have to start a long time ago in my life. one sunday morning, when i was about eight, my mother looked at me and said what you are is god's gift to you. what you make of yourself is your gift to god.
i have learned over the course of my life, i have traveled, i have lived, i have worked all over the world for decades. i have done business work, charitable work, policy work, and i have learned that everywhere in the world, even in the most desperate circumstances, each of us are in deep gifts of god. i have learned that every single person has potential. life -- of us once a wants a life of dignity and meaning. work done well brings dignity. family brings purpose and faith brings meaning to our lives and so it is worth asking the question that if everyone has those same desires and potential from god, why is it that more things have been more possible for more people here
than everywhere else in the world? what is it that this place has been so extraordinary that it is only here that a young woman can start as i did, typing and filing and answering the phones for a nine person real estate firm in the middle of a deep recession, go on monday to become the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world and run for the presidency of the states and now standing on the stage as the 45th presidents running mate. that is only possible here. [applause] the question is why? why is it only possible here? i was a student of history. .o were our founders anyone who has stunted -- studied historyhuman nature has not changed. human nature does not take. there are two fundamentals about
human nature that are fun elders -- our founders understood. they knew that everyone has god-given gifts. so they build a nation on this amazing idea. it was radical at the time. us idea was that each of have a right, a right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. that was their way of saying each of us have the right to find our own way and use our to-given gift but still -- fill our potential. and they said that that right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness comes from god and cannot be taken away by man or government. [applause] so, the constitution is a document that enshrines our rights and liberties. yes it does. it gives us the right to bear arms. ted cruz will protect that through the end. it gives us the right to protect
practice our religion freely. ted cruz has defended that to the end. the constitution is something else. us see, history also teaches that power concentrated his power abuse. power concentrated his power abuse. the constitution was also written to prevent the concentration of power. to restrain power. here is the truth, ladies and gentlemen. we have had way too much power concentrated in the hands of way too few people for way too long. [applause] that is why it matters that you have a constitutional conservative, because ted cruz iserstands that what ails us we are crushing the potential of too many americans because there is too much money and too much power in the hands of too few. there are entrenched interests.
there are corrupt politicians, crony capitalists and that system must be challenged. [applause] that takes a warrior. that takes a fighter. that ted people say cruz has made some enemies. i talked about how a man is known by his friends and his wife and his children, but honestly, the man or a woman is known by their enemies as well. i've challenged systems my whole life. i will tell you that we challenge the status quo, the challenge the powers that be, he do more than ruffle feathers. so know thisies man by the fact that he has the courage to make the enemies he must make to fight for all of
us. [applause] enemies of the present leadership. the on your friends and warriors and you take the slings and arrows from your enemy. i know a lot of people who voted for donald trump and no -- i know a lot of people who will vote for donald trump. bey think that donald trump a warrior to challenge the system. think aboutmoment, the pattern of his life. john boehner said he does not much care for ted cruz but he is a texting and golfing buddy with donald trump. a hundredhn boehner thousand dollars to his super pac at the same time he was giving money to nancy pelosi and harry reid. ]boo invested in hillary
clinton's campaign, it is not just business. doingonald trump has been , he is the crony capitalist who has been using the system. hillary clinton and donald trump are two sides of the same coin. hillary clinton has made her millions selling access and influence and donald trump has made his billions buying people like hillary clinton off. he will not challenge the system, he will not fight the system. system!e [applause] he is the system and the system and ted cruz is the man to lead us in this fight. guess what, it is all of our fight. there is so much at stake now. it is not just that taxes have to be lower. yes they do. donald trump wants to raise them. rightsot just that our and liberties have to be
protected and preserved. it is not just that obamacare have to be repealed. it is not just that we have to lead again in the world so we are safe at home. all of those things are at stake. our party isof also at stake and so is the future of our nation. it is time, people of the hoosier state, time that we wage this fight. it is time to take our country that. -- back. [applause] i was proud and honored and humbled as well to accept ted cruz's offer to be his running mate. i will stand with him. i will fight with him. i want you to stand with him and fight with him as well, because this is the fight of our time. for the soul of our party, for the future of our nation, we
privilege, such an incredible so many be with patriots, so many lovers of liberty tonight. in the hoosier state, i am so honored to see what an array of patriots are here standing and fighting. isn't heidi going to make an amazing first lady? [applause] she is beautiful and brilliant, she is an amazing mommy to our two little girls. she is my best friend in the whole wide world. [applause] i have to say, to all the kids z's firstn heidi cru lady, french fries are coming back to the one true. -- lunchroom.
[applause] thought --always call me crazy, i know if a cardboard began on the plate not on top. how about glenn beck? [applause] incredible -- glenn incredible? every time he talks, i learned something. i love it when he brings out the walkingrd and begins through the founding principles of our nation. the principles that led to the declaration that led to the constitution. the fundamental understanding that our rights do not come from government, they come from god almighty. [applause] as a constitution was drafted, as thomas jefferson put it,
change to bind the mischief of government. at a time when washington has such a spirit of fear and timidity, gladback -- is glenn beck is fearless. how about carly? extraordinarily leader she is. when i announced her as my vice presidential choice, there is no that aund decision presidential candidate makes the naming a vice president. you are telling the american people that this person is prepared to step up and be president of the united states at a moments notice and is prepared to step up and honor the promises and commitments we have made and preserved and protect the constitution of the end states and be
commander-in-chief and keep this country safe. [applause] the criteria you are looking for in a vice president is really the same criteria you're looking for in a resident. for me it was three things. knowledge, judgment, and character. carly's with knowledge, career in business has been incredible. starting as a secretary and rising the corporate ladder to become the ceo of the largest technology company in the world. the first woman ceo of a fortune 20 company in history. [applause] carly has been shattering glass ceilings her in liar life -- her entire life and i want someone who understood jobs. they don't come from washington, they come from small business and they come from the people. [applause]
and that judgment, i have been so blessed to barnstorm with carly all across the country. firsthand andn up close. she is careful, sober, thinks through. we do not want a president who torash, hotheaded and libel explode. [applause] when you're talking about someone who is to be commander-in-chief, who is to have their anger on the nuclear button, you want someone of good and stable judgment. [applause] the third thing you want is character. character is the most important aspect of any president or vice president. [applause]
someone who has struggled, someone who has no loss. you want someone who is honest and tells the truth and does not lie all the time. you want someone who stands by their principles. you want someone who has principles. [applause] who doesn't have one position in the morning and one position at noon and another position at night. you know, of the greatest misfortunes of character is how you treat people you don't have to be nice too. . everyone of us knows how to kiss up to our boss. that is not hard. the question is, how do you treat the clerk at the convenience store? how do you treat the taxicab driver? howdy to the young lady in the tollbooth at night?
one of the things that impressed me most about carly was watching her at the debates and watching her stand up to bullies. [applause] everyone of us who has been through grade school, we know bullies in our lives. contrary to the media narrative, bullies are not strong. they are weak. they are cowards, scared, insecure, have an empty hole inside that they fill by trying to find someone they think is weaker than they are in picking on them and abusing them. that is not a sign of strength. carly fiorina is somebody who stands up to bullies whether they are donald trump or hillary clinton or vladimir putin. [applause]
and perhaps, my favorite thing about carly, is that she utterly terrifies hillary clinton. [applause] i can just picture hillary thinking about carly. tossing and turning in tossing and turning in her jail cell. [laughter] [applause] this next election, is about three issues. jobs, freedom, and security. let's start with jobs. i want to take a minute and speak to all the single moms who are here. who are working to-three part-time jobs.
seen their hours reduced to 28-29 hours a week because obamacare kicks in at 30 hours. i want to talk to all the truck drivers, on the plumbers and mechanics and steelworkers and coal miners. although union members. the union members. who have seen wages stagnating year after year. the cost of living keeps going up. your paycheck does not keep pace. i want to speak to all the young people. [applause] and hillary, bernie, take a look at all the people. [applause] all the young people who are
coming out of school buried in student loans. scared. can i get a job? what does the future hold for me? the media tries to tell us that this is the new normal. this is as good as it gets. let me tell you, that is an absolute lie. [applause] it is easy to talk about making america great again. you can even put that on a baseball cap. [laughter] through question is do you understand the principles and values that made america great .n the first place the heart of our economy is not washington, d.c.. the heart of our economy is small businesses across the united states of america. [applause]
if you want to unleash the boot of you take the the federal government off the back of the next of small businesses. necks of small businesses. ronald reagan understood and before him, john f. kennedy understood that when you cut taxes and with regulation on small businesses, the results are millions and millions of high-paying jobs. pastend to follow the ronald reagan and jfk to lift the burden on small businesses and bring jobs back to america. vicon industries, donald trump -- my opponent in this race, donald trump, and following the
path of barack obama and hillary clinton. 40%campaign on a massive tax increase. donald trump's only economic policy is that he would impose a massive tariff that every creature would pay every time they go to the store. your prices will be 40% higher. i have to tell you, putting a 40% tax increase would send us into a recession and i don't think the hard-working men and women of indiana need the donald trump massive tax increase. [applause] in contrast, i'm going to cut your taxes. [applause] pass a simpleo flat tax. us can fillne of out our taxes on a postcard.
that, we should abolish the irs. [applause] we are going to repeal every word of obamacare. it is the biggest job killer in america and in its place, we're going to pass commonsense health care reform. keeps government from getting in between us and our doctors. [applause] we are going to rain and the epa. federal leaders have decided like locusts on farmers and ranchers and kill businesses --
small businesses are killing jobs all across the country. the obama to stop administration's war on call. we are going to devote all of our energy resources so we can stop sending billions of dollars to countries that hate us. [applause] we are going to stop amnesty and secure the border and end things where cities and end of welfare benefits for those here illegally. [applause] let me tell you what will happen when we do all that. we are going to see millions and millions of new high-paying jobs coming back to america. we will see jobs coming back from mexico.
we see jobs coming back from china. we will see manufacturing jobs coming back to indiana. we will see carrier bringing jobs back to indiana. we're going to see wages rising again. we're going to see young people coming out of school with job offers. [applause] that is what this election is about. morning in america again. [applause] the second critical issue in this election is freedom. ago, thew weeks passing of justice and leah underscore the stakes of this election. it is not just one, but two branches of the government that hang in the balance. religiouse about liberty, the right to seek out
the lord god almighty and worship him with all of your heart, mind, and soul without government getting in the way. [applause] if you care about the second amendment right to keep and bear arms and protect your family -- [applause] then we are one liberal justice away from a radical five justice left wing majority that would strip those rights and the rest of the bill of rights from americans for a generation. coupled they to go, itt asked all abuzz about the supreme court and religious liberty and donald trump turned to me, ted, i've known a lot of politicians than
you have. well, and that he is correct. donald trump has been supporting liberal democrats for 40 years. [boo] i have no experience with that. [applause] but donald continued. he said, ted, when it comes to religious liberty and the supreme court, you got to learn to compromise. you got to learn to cut deals with the democrats to go along and get along. clear, tovery hoosiers across the state, i will not compromise the way you religious liberty. [applause] and i will not compromise away your second amendment to keep and bear arms.
[applause] the third critical issue in this election, security. for seven years, we have seen a president who abandons our friends and allies and shows weakness and appeasement to our enemies. once again, to debate to go, donald trump explained to all those that if he was president, he would be neutral between israel and the palestinians. let me be very clear, as president, i will not be neutral. [applause] america will stand unapologetically with the nation of israel. [applause]
and anyone who can tell the difference between our friends and our enemies, anyone who can tell the difference between israel and islamic terrorists who want to kill us, that raises real questions about their fitness and judgment to be commander -- commander-in-chief. we need a commander-in-chief, right now. for seven years we have seen our military weekend, readiness undermined and morale plummeted. you know, as a nation, we have seen this before. we have seen another left-wing democratic president, jimmy and undermined the military. then in january 1981, ronald reagan came into office. [applause] do?t did reagan he cut taxes, but did
regulations and we saw millions of high-paying jobs. that generated trillions in government revenue and he is that revenue to rebuild the military, bankrupt the soviet union and win the cold war. [applause] i intend to do the exact same thing with radical islamic terrorism. we are going to repeal obamacare, pass a flat tax, rain in the regulators, pass amnesty. there will be millions of jobs coming back to indiana, wages rising, that is going to generate trillions of new government revenue and we will use that revenue to rebuild our military so it remains the mightiest fighting force on the face of the planet. [applause]
i love you, too. one of the saddest and most simple things we have seen in the last seven years has been this president sending our fighting men and women into combat with rules of engagement so strict that their arms are tied behind their back that they cannot fight, cannot win, cannot defeat the enemy. that is wrong. and, mark my words, january 2017, it will end. [applause] to every soldier and sailors and thatn and running, and for matter, every police officer and firefighter and first responder,
the days of a president who does not respect your service are going to end. you are going to have the thanks of a grateful nation and a commander-in-chief who's got your back! [applause] cruz, cruz! sen. cruz: 21 hours. that is how long remains until the polls close. 21 hours. this has been a strange and long journey. it has not been born. [laughter] -- boring. [laughter] ted with 17 candidates. what a contrast with the democrats.
of democratic field consists a wild eyed socialist with ideas that are dangerous for america and the world and bernie sanders. [laughter] over the course of the year, the primary did what it was supposed to do. it has narrowed the field. as we stand here now, there are two in only two people who have any plausible path to winning the republican commission. me and donald trump. right now, today, the entire country, the eyes of the nation are on indiana. choice, not just for the state or the republican party, the for the entire country. campaign thatnd a is based on yelling and
screaming and cursing and insults? do we continue to unify behind a positive, optimistic, forward-looking conservative campaign? [applause] based on real policy solutions to the problems facing this country. [applause] past week, heidi and i and carolyn and catharine, we have been barnstorming the state of indiana traveling in a bus asking for the support of hoosiers across the state. i think any candidate running for president owes it to the voters to look into the eyes, should your hands, answer your questions, to come and come to work for you. to show that humility, to show that respect. earlier today, in marion,
indiana, we had and that there -- an event there were there were 400 people come into a small cafe. and we had six or seven from protesters across the street. most candidates would have led their thing.s do i made a different decision. i walked across the street to engage with them. [applause] you canne interested, watch what followed online about seven minutes. it began with one of the lead protesters cursing at me and yelling at me. i was glad to see he was channeling the candidate he was supporting. onewe had at least from side a very civil, respectful conversation.
between every statement i made, he yelled a liar and somehow the fax didn't matter. it feels a liar often enough, those insults he thought would decide things. i asked him to name something he liked about donald trump. he said he's going to build a wall. i said are you aware he told the new york times editorial board build awasn't going to wall, that he was just saying that to for the voters? screamedly, he just liar. i said are you aware it's on tape, that the new york times taped it in their happy to release it if donald trump he gives his permission. if the tape proved his innocence, donald trump should want it released. next he said the second amendment. i said really ok. he said what have you ever done for the second amendment? [laughter]
i said i'm glad you asked. i represented 31 states litigating heller versus district of preserved the individual right to keep and bear arms. [applause] and i said did you know that donald trump and hillary both agree with bill clinton's national ban on guns? he didn't know that. but instead he just began yelling "liar." and then i made the point, i said if i were donald trump, i wouldn't have walked across the street to talk to you. i wouldn't have shown you that risk that because i'm campaigning to be everyone's candidate. [applause]
i said if i were donald trump, i would have state surrounded by my supporters and instructed some of them to go over and punch him in the face. interesting. the fellows response to that. do you know what it was? he yelled "liar. come i said what a word that i said life? any way a he said donald trump never told anyone to punch anyone in the face. the great thing about truth is it's verifiable. go home and google "donald trump and you willface," see donald trump standing at a rally instructing his supporters "punch of that protester in the face and i will pay your legal bills when you do it."
you know, truth matters. [applause] donald trump has taken to asking supporters at rallies to raise their hand and pledge their .upport for donald trump this is the united states of america. we don't pledge of support to amend, we pledge allegiance to the flag, we pledge to support the constitution, and the only hand raising i'm interested in is in january 2017 when i raise my hand and pledge my support to each of you to preserve, protect, defend the constitution of the united states. [applause] [chanting] ruz, cruz, cruz!
why do youple ask spend night and day crisscrossing the country away from your family, your kids so often? why do you endure the insults, , islies, the attacks actually not a complicated question. thisit because i love country, because i look at caroline and catherine, the loves of my life, and i do it for the same reason everyone of you is here because we are not willing to look in the eye of our children and grandchildren and tell them we sat by while the greatest country in the history of the world went down the drain. [applause] we are here tonight, everyone of us, because we love our kids, our grandkids, because our
country is in crisis, it's at the edge of a cliff staring down. , our kids, pull back our grandkids won't enjoy the freedom, the prosperity, the liberties, the blessings each of us has been so privileged to enjoy. depending country is on the state of indiana. we have got 21 hours. i want to ask you right now, donald trump and i are effectively tied in the state of indiana. it is that and that in indiana. in indiana.eck can you find five people to come out and vote tomorrow? can you find 10 people or 15 or 20? do you look around right here, there are about 2000 people scattered here tonight. if everyone here gets 10 people to show up tomorrow and the next
21 hours, that represents 20,000 votes. that means the men and women in this room could decide the indiana primary. [applause] you know, we all remember when reagan said "freedom is not passed down from one generation ,o the next in the bloodstream rather every generation must stand and fight to defend freedom or one day we will find ourselves answering to our children or our children's children, what was it like when america was free?" that is the question that nobody in this room is ever going to have to answer. [applause] the next 21 hours, millions of
americans are praying for each of you right now. you are being lifted up in prayer, millions of americans are lifting the state of in prayer and i cannot be more gratified, more encouraged that this primary is coming down to the midwestern common sense, to the good judgment of hoosiers. [applause] if we continue to unite, if we stand together as one, coming together, i spent the whole day barnstorming the state, campaigning with indiana's governor mike pence. [applause] and i will tell you we saw this week a stunning contrast. i'm proud to stand with mike pence, with carly fiorina. trump same time, donald is trumpeting the support he received from mike tyson.
who spentd rapist three years in prison here in indiana for raping a 17-year-old girl. now what do donald trump say? he said mike tyson is in his own words "a tough guy." donald, i have news for you, rapists aren't tough guys. they are coward and weaklings and bullies. [applause] i spent a lot of years of law enforcement dealing with rapists. and they are the very embodiment of cruelty. say that contrast provides a clear and simple choice for the people of this state. unite, to cometo
together with governor mike pence and carly fiorina and , if weeck and mike lee stand as one, we will win this republican primary and if we continue to unite the nation, we will with the general election, we will beat hillary clinton, and we will turn this race, nation around. thank you and god bless you. [applause] ♪
and donald trump campaigns released ads ahead of the primary. here's a look. ted cruz voted for obama's job killing trade that supported expanding visas for foreigners by 500%. no supplies ted cruz supported amnesty for 11 million
illegals and would welcome more syrian refugees. only donald trump will stand at to china, japan, mexico and only donald trump will end the
illegal immigration to keep us safe. >> on donald trump and
i approve this message. >> on ted cruz and i approve this message. dpaed cruz voted against and is fighting to stop tpp. he stopped begetting of eight amnesty bill well -- while trump funded it. brings in hundreds of foreign workers to replace americans. what a phony. >> thank you for being with us. guest: some news on donald trump in the new hampshire delegation. ands talk about tomorrow indiana. what are we looking at? guest: we are looking at a make or break state for ted cruz, who
has lost six straight states. he got the governor's enforcement, has been barnstorming the state. he trails by some 400 delegates on thefor him, a lot is line. if he wants to stop donald trump, he needs to first set to happen tomorrow in indiana and today, he has 10 different stop across the state. not necessarily getting great news coverage today. carly fiorina actually fell off the stage. there were questions about id crews answering whether or not ted cruz is the zodiac killer. news wallest nbc street journal poll showing whether donald trump has a double-digit lead in indiana. trump isment, it shows in the driver seat.
cruz really need to pull out a victory there. is thater lining because expectations are low, if he happens to have success, it will get a huge media bump. but that is not where the race appears to be headed. his campaign seems a bit bunkered down in the indiana fight and that's where they are. host: 20 look at the delegates needed to win the nomination, if donald trump wins tomorrow, this would allow him to gain may be all 54 republican delegates. where does that put the race? guest: the race delegate wise will go all the way through the end. there is not a way until -- even if he went in indiana, he needs to win california also. there are a couple other
potential options. if ted cruz completely collapses. it won't end until june 7 and the republican party is saying .hey will keep fighting on again, in the last six state that have voted in the northeast , he won every single county that voted except for manhattan. so he is winning cities, suburbs, rural areas. can he turn around this big winning streak that donald trump has run up and prove that it was a lot of wins all in the same region of the country. the: 20 think despite support of governor pence, the announcement of carly fiorina as his running mate, why has ted cruz been struggling? guest: donald trump has been
winning all of these states and you have seen some consolidation among republicans who have been for a long time unwilling to stand behind donald trump. in the last week, to house endorsee chairman donald trump. it is a sign members of congress , some of them are choosing donald trump in because he is winning and because a lot of have run into with ted cruz especially in the senate. it is about this sort of growing sense of inevitability around donald trump who declared himself the presumptive nominee. to win these delegates, he has to beat ted cruz in indiana and california but for ted cruz, it is hard when you are swimming upstream. you are reporting the new hampshire republican party has
essentially canceled what would have been a controversial plan on a state of delegates and their committee assignments. guest: this is the stuff nobody really pays much attention to have aause we could contested convention, the idea of what committees the delegates are on, the credentials , these could be important slots. in hampshire republican party whose chairwoman has been pretty not a trump fan put together a slate of people and said here is our's -- are slate for committee slots. there are zero people who are trump delegates. the trump people threw their arms up, they complained, and they said the process was it right. pulled back today right when the votes were going to be counted and said we will have an
in person meeting. and that is now set for friday. for yourwill look reporting online at politico.com. thank you for being with us. host: thank you. >> ahead of the indiana primary results tuesday, we will have campaign stops. hillary clinton speaks on jobs and the economy in athens, ohio. later, we will bring do senator booker bernie sanders at a campaign rally in louisville, kentucky. following the bernie sanders event, we will have live coverage of the indiana primary results.
>> during campaign 2016, c-span takes you on the road to the white house as we follow the candidates on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. >> coming up tonight on c-span, a discussion on the challenges facing afghanistan's government. after that, a donald trump rally in indiana. >> c-span's washington journal live every day on news and policy issues that impact you. up tuesday morning, tony cook will join us to discuss the republican and democratic primaries taking place tomorrow in indiana. 52 delegates up for grabs for the republicans and 92 for democrats. and the political editor for the national journal will preview tomorrow's primary contest in indiana and ahead.
and jake carl with will join us from new york. be sure to what c-span's washington journal live 7:00 a.m. tuesday morning. scholars discuss the political, international, security challenges facing afghanistan's government. this 90 minute event was hosted by the middle east institute. >> good afternoon, everybody. i'm the director of programs and government relations at the middle east institute. i am pleased to welcome you all to today's discussion under the title political and security crises in afghanistan.
gratified by the turnout and media interest today. thank you for being here. if you see empty seats to either side of you, please feel free to move in away from the aisles. we always have late arrivals and we would like to accommodate everybody. this is an event in the middle east institute lewis r hughes lecture series. we are grateful to mr. hughes for his generous support of our programming on policy issues in afghanistan. , you'll beoday hearing about the sustainability and legitimacy of afghanistan's national unity government, an issue very much in the news and has powerful implications for the future of u.s. and coalition military engagement.
before i introduce our moderator, i want to urge you all to take a look at the website right after this event is over and register for a discussion tomorrow that mei is cosponsoring with the conflict management program. will speak on his new book "arab spring." him will be joining leipsen.es and -- tomorrow, tuesday, may 3 from 4:30 until 6:00 p.m. now it is my pleasure to introduce the moderator of today's panel, dr. marvin while brown
marvin is a distinguished scholar whose experience includes fulbright research fellowships in egypt and afghanistan. he directed a program in south asia and and middle eastern studies at the university of illinois for 15 years, has worked in the department of state, and is a prolific author of articles and book chapter. marvin saw the importance for u.s. interest in addressing our topic today and has recruited a panel of remarkable and diverse expertise to do so. marvin will introduce the panelists and leave the conversation with them and with you, taking the questions over the coming 90 minutes or so. marvin: thank you for coming in today. >> we have a good deal of media coverage today so i ask you to please turn off your cell phones. thank you. it is a pleasure that -- to see
that we have interest but why we be surprised? because what is happening in afghanistan today leads so many of us to say "is this a period of crisis?" those of us who have been following afghanistan, we regularly say we are entering some kind of period of some decisive developments that will determine the future of the government and the state. but i think we would all agree that very recently, there have been a number of developments which seem, in this year, to have created circumstances which lead us to believe that somehow, we have reason to worry more about afghanistan, about its government, and issues of
security. the economy, and, of course, we want to address all of those today. i am sure we will have an opportunity. our format is not going to be a series of speakers, but rather that i will pose a series of questions. we will therefore be encouraging among our panelists discussion. and we have a superb panel to do just that. to my right, scott smith, who most of you know for his time heading the afghanistan program at the u.s. institute of peace. he has now left us for the u.n., returned to the u.n., where he is involved in mediation efforts . very befitting his skills. to his right is omar samad, who is also well known here, as well
as in afghanistan. he is recently returned from afghanistan after having been named a designate ambassador in belgium. he has chosen, however, to join us and we are pleased, here, omar has been ambassador to france, canada, and most recently has been a close advisor to dr. abdullah. michael kugelman, to his right, is another familiar face -- they all are -- here in washington. with the south asia program at the the wilson center. he has organized so many panels. and as you know from his own moderating of panels, how well he is able to address afghanistan and pakistan and
south asia in general. finally, ali jalali. ali has been, in the past, a long past with afghanistan, which includes military service and was, really in the karzai administration, minister of the interior but is currently a distinguished professor at the national defense university here in washington. ali is a very serious player in afghanistan. he is more than simply an observer. he is someone who participates actively in the affairs of afghanistan. i do not know that we could have
a panel, honestly, about afghanistan today without having ali jalali join us. with that, as an introduction, let me start. that is to say, gentlemen, what makes this year different? what is now being posed by coming events, previous events, that suggest that we ought to be paying greater attention then perhaps we have over the next few months? who would like to start us off?
jalali: thank you. good to be here again. in any country, anyplace, you have to look at the context first. context, political concepts, it in afghanistan have changed. -- can you hear me now or should i project? there are a number of factors in afghanistan. first, the international forces left afghanistan at the end of 2015. that was the end of combat mission by international forces. second, afghanistan has to deal with the security by its own capacity and forces, which are still in transition. although the country has a sizable army and police force,
but it was developed as interdependent on international forces financially and in operation. that dependence is still there. that is why you have capability gaps in the national security forces of afghanistan. there will be a need for assistance from outside. third, the taliban and other insurgents and terrorists are using or trying to exploit the situation of the departure of international forces from afghanistan. assuming that they can do better with the afghanistan national security forces. third is economy. the economy of afghanistan was dependent on international presence, to some extent. years ago, the service sector of the afghanistan economy was 50%.
by the departure of international forces and contractors and others, that market, the service market, contracted. at the same time, it caused unemployment and also a deduction of state revenue. finally, in the region, some countries believe that with the torture of international forces, they can influence afghanistan to get a better deal -- with the departure of international forces, they can influence afghanistan to get a better deal. the factors that shaped the situation in afghanistan has global, regional, and domestic mentions.
amb. samad: in order of age, if you want to look at it that way -- thank you, marvin, for the invitation. i think that minister jalali's assessment is correct. i want to look at it from another angle, which is today is shaped by what we have seen the last 15 years, especially by the transition of 2014, which was an extremely difficult and challenging transition on different levels, political, security, and economic. there is a fourth level people do not talk about often. that is psychological, which we did not manage well, both afghans and internationals.
2015 was expected to be the year of some level of positive change on all these different accounts. 2015, to the dismay of many of us and to the surprise of some, it turned out to be a difficult year. for the afghan people, to begin with, the afghan forces, national security forces. for the newly formed national unity government in kabul. for the economy that schrock and the bubbles that burst after so many years of keeping the economy afloat. we realized it was artificial. finally, the regional context
has been shifting. we hope for some real change and real strategic shift, especially with regards to pakistan. for a while, we bought a new government in kabul, new --dership might crack in the crack the nit. -- nut. it did not. we are seeing there is so much more that needs to be done and it is not that simple and easy. the expectation that developed over 2014 and before that -- and i am not going to dwell, at this stage, how mr. karzai handle this transition and what he left behind for the rest of us -- but this transition obviously has not resulted in what most of us expected. some of us saw some of the fault lines and tried our best to convey that and express that and
tried to find ways to mend them and correct the course. some of us were too optimistic. some of us heightened expectations of the very beginning for unnecessary reasons and are paying the political price for that today. all of these things are going on at the same time over a very short period of time, given a government's lifespan. today, we are talking about how fragile is this government, how fragile is afghanistan, what will happen next, should we talk about alternatives, should we talk about plan b's, c's, and so forth. this is, in a nutshell.
mr. smith: omar is right to i do not know that afghanistan, in 2016, is it more fragile than in 2015 or even 2014. what has changed -- and relevant from where we sit in washington -- is we have come to the end of our wishful thinking. what we learned in 2014 and 2015 now convinces us that the dynamics in the national unity government significantly improve. the taliban are probably not going to comment to the negotiating table. the afghan security forces will not be the miracle we had hoped and to some degree convinced ourselves it would be. and elections will probably not happen in 2016. that leaves us with no real way out of what was supposed to be the beginning of an emergence of a slightly abnormal constitutional situation that we are in now. that is why we are looking at alternatives. we have run out of the
optimistic scenarios we once had. that is what is sinking in and making 2016 a particularly challenging and different year, even though the fundamentals may not change that much. mr. kugelman: i imagine we will discuss how things are going to be getting worse, etc., which is true. but to start with context, things are bad, but it is not hold. for -- all bad. there are plenty of people that did not expect the national unity government to get as far as far as it has now. obviously, it has. and for all the talk of a deepening taliban insurgency, the taliban has suffered setbacks, including the other
day in kandahar. a major operation killed several dozen taliban pfizer's. you also have often special forces that have been distinguishing themselves on the battlefield. that said, i would highlight three changes that are making existing challenges more difficult. one, there is a new urgency -- sense of urgency pervading politics in afghanistan because of the national university -- national unity government's agreement, which stipulated certain things happen by a certain time, specifically september of this year. one could argue there is a clock is ticking dynamic that could amplify the fractures -- fra ctious nature of the political environment in afghanistan. secondly, there have been taller than victories, -- taliban of victories, like the takeover of kanduz. third, you have quite a few afghans leading the country, including from the middle class. these are things that happened in the past and are happening again today. it is difficult to start to deal with the deeper challenges
afghanistan faces when a number of your best and brightestaded -- and brightest are headed for the exit. >> let's look specifically at the national unity government, formed a little over a year and half ago. how have these developments we have been talking about specifically affected the possibility of survival of this government? accounts, ashraf ghani, who had a popular beginning, has eroded. we hear there is a lack of confidence now, which has grown. so in answering this, i wonder if we could address what it is he could have done differently and what can he now do to assure the survival of this government another three and half years?
amb. samad: having spent almost a year and a half in that unity government, i am unfortunately not at liberty to say much. but to give you some perspective, i can say that i think this was meant to be -- i do not want to go into the why it has value -- everyone has their own theories in how this came about. we leave that to history to judge. but once it came about, it was meant to follow a certain recipe and a certain set of guidelines, and it has not. for those of us who have been inside the system, we know, by now, why and what are the
motivations. some of it is very distressing. some of it has to do with petty politics and power struggles, and some of it have to do with real and substantive issues that have created a sense of a dis-united government and not a unity government. it was supposed to be a political marriage, of sorts -- in the modern sense. one side is playing a very traditional role in this marriage. traditional in the afghan-eastern context. trying to dominate, trying to push, trying to impose.
the other side again in the eastern sense -- accommodate, the flexible, to that extent possible, given its own political limitations. you have to realize that this is not just a marriage between parties or factions or individuals that fought in the elections. they are made up of a conglomerate, each one. so this is very difficult to handle. we did try to bring everyone under the tent, with very few upset -- with very few exceptions. issue.but now -- once we had it, this is going to be a sort -- it was the only alternative. the tragic part is there was no other alternative but to create such a unity government, with the two top vote getters.
the individuals who legitimately had received the largest amount of vote in the country. whether one was more or less than the other is another issue. but now -- once we had it, and once it was ratified, and the afghan people accepted it, the international community put a stamp of approval on it, i think it was the mistake of letting this government sort of find its own way, thinking that they know best. that they know all of the problems and have all of the solutions. especially the president has always given this impression that he knows all of the problems and has all of the solutions.
that he knows the answers to all of the questions. this came back to bite them, especially the president. people had this image that had been promoted, this image that had been created over the years that -- someone mentioned something interesting. they asked me if he is really a modernist? or is he still tribal? post-triabl or still tribal? it is an interesting question, for an afghan. i think it is a mix of both. when he is sincere, he is modern and post-tribal. when he goes back, he is tribal but to tribal. even the majority of afghans cannot connect with him. we could not find the balance that was needed. the equilibrium needed in order to make this a more functioning i agree that not everything about the national unity government is that.
there was no other option at the time. even today, i am of the view that we should not be looking for a revolutionary alternative. something that would further destabilize afghanistan and put us in a very vocal situation, politically speaking. there is still time to try everything possible, try all means possible, to impress on the leadership of this is him and government -- and i him and think john kerry tried to do this a couple days ago -- and impress on the afghan political elite and the afghan people that we need to stay the course, but we need to correct the course. we need to learn some hard lessons from the past year and a half, both in terms of governance, in terms of relations with the international community, in terms of how we connect with the afghan people and play politics. one of the biggest problems is that we have amateur politicians. we do not have professional politicians, who know how to even play politics, in
afghanistan. the best example we had was hamid karzai. because he would walk into a tell you everything you want to hear, but he would not agree with it. and someone owes would come in he would say the total opposite. this is a good politician, we think -- it is not. hamid karzai was a failure. but we need to learn the lessons from the past 15 years, especially the last year and a half. mr. smith: there is a much more significant and organize opposition to the national unity government then to the government of hamid karzai, which was a government of singular powers run by one
person. the other thing is what is our responsibility for this government? omar is correct that after a bruising election, a transition that was not well handled and an economy that was tanking, we set the government up with its internal frictions and said you guys take care of this. when the iraq war was being debated in 2003, i think it was colin powell who said if we go in and break it, you own it. with governments, it is different. if you fix it, you own it. i i think that is what we hear with kerry's repeated visits to try to get these guys to work together. to the specific question of what can be done, and a lot of us have been advocating for a long time that the two leaders of this government, if they are not able to work together, at least
project that they are working together. but for a variety of reasons, this has not happened. and as i said, i do not think it is likely to happen. i think there are some things regarding strategic indications that have been achieved. people like us in washington are pointing this out, not the government itself. that is leading the afghan people know what we have done, what we are attempting to do, and how you can see we are getting there. a lot of the frustration with this government is the sense that it does not understand the sense of crisis that afghans themselves feel. that is what helps power, this opposition made in large hard by politicians that are not so good. they just happen to be in the position.
mr. kugelman: picking up on the good point scott makes on the government not acknowledging the crisis it makes, i will take the question as to what the president can do to strengthen his position. in some ways, there are not that many options. there are two issues. one is how the president can strengthen his position mo -- more broadly in the eyes of afghans, the international community, and so forth. and secondly, how he can strengthen his position in his own government. in the broader context, there needs to be effort to articulate a clear plan of action for the coming months. articulate, for example, how it intends to answer these questions about time frames for local elections, etc. he needs to try to reduce these
high levels of uncertainty, which breeds concern and elevates volatility. in the more narrow context, that is more difficult. perhaps one suggestion is for him to make -- offer a clear assurance to abdulla abdulla that the position is intact. that his position is still in tact. it is something to be said for clearing the air. it may be asking too much, but it is a start. prof. jalali: many years ago -- 2004, i believe -- we faced a difficult situation. a respected international figure said something we thought was
against afghan culture. we argued that it would go against the constitution. now we face against something else. what we have today has its own problem in the inception. to have -- in the history of afghanistan, in many cases, there was a tendency to solve difficult problems by tactical solutions. i was one of many others who said that counts this votes 100
times, and eventually announces one winner. the winner that will be accepted by -- today in afghanistan, coalitions are fine. the coalitions are successful only if they can balance two things. maintain unity and govern effectively. if you maintain unity at the expense, at the cost, of effectiveness, you fail. if you want to be effective but it undermines unity, again. what we have today are two leaders. one is the president. the other is second among equals. the president gets the power
from the constitution and appoints or delivers some of the qualities to this second of equals. the second of equals does not have a strong standing. he uses political clout. it turns into opposition within the government. that is the major problem from day one. i think it was both of the leaders did a lot of sacrifices, made a lot of effort for this unity government. however, they are not alone. they have people around them that helps to bring them to the elections. the election vote was not based on to make a difference. it was based to win the
elections. so both sides actually are dependent on borrowed constituencies. these borrowed constituencies have the demands, which slows down everything. all decisions in afghanistan, in a country facing security, economic political problems. , in that case, you have that kind of government. it will not fail. but the more however, it does not mean it will not work. afghanistan has many situations that actually enables afghans to survive. it shows the resilience of the afghans. it can manage issues. i am not saying the government will fail. it will not fail. but the more they put effort to
make it one government and to get all of the access they have into one government, -- in other words, instead of making a salad bowl, make a melting pot of all elements. today, it is a salad bowl. which ministers belong to this guy and which belong to that guy. which ministries reporting to that guy in which reports to that guy? it is not one government unless you make it one government. and make it a melting pot. it is hard, but that is the way to make that government effective and successful. amb. samad: just to add a bit
more, if we are going to take the route of the constitution itself and what is constitutional and what is not, what constitutes widget is the legitimacy and so on and so forth, we have to be careful. we can open a can of worms that we have seen the past two years, especially 2014. especially in how the election was handled. especially in how much fraud was orchestrated. that is also constitutional or anti-constitutional. if we want to talk political opposition within the government, knowing there is a glut of political opposition outside the government, we have to look at exactly what happens on a daily basis. i told you earlier i cannot get into that. but i will tell you, there are
individuals who does political opposition within the government. but the motivation and aspiration and wish of the leadership is not -- and i am talking on the abdullah camp side has been to work with the president within the confines of the political agreement signed in december of 2014. it is a political agreement that is being trampled on a daily basis and is being ignored, that they all signed on to. less than of the 100 high officials, from deputy ministers to ambassadors to the mayor of kabul, to the head of the institutional reform commission, and so on and so forth -- high-level positions that are awaiting final approval by the president for the past 16 months, or 14 months, or 12 months.