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opposition within the government. but the motivation and aspiration and wish of the leadership is not -- and i am talking on the abdullah camp side has been to work with the president within the confines of the political agreement signed in december of 2014. it is a political agreement that is being trampled on a daily basis and is being ignored, that they all signed on to. less than of the 100 high officials, from deputy ministers to ambassadors to the mayor of kabul, to the head of the institutional reform commission, and so on and so forth -- high-level positions that are awaiting final approval by the president for the past 16 months, or 14 months, or 12 months.
because someone, somewhere, does not want to see these individuals. and the president is asked to interview every single person, in person. from the position of deputy governors to district police chiefs even further down. he wants to interview every person, in person. when you have this kind of governance style and you have hundreds of people waiting to be appointed the last year or more, obviously, you will face a crisis and there wasto blame one side or the other.
one side has done its job, the other side has to do its job as well. we can go on and on about what goes on on a daily basis within that government, and who was accommodating, who is not. who was playing petty politics, and who is taking a larger look at what is good or bad for afghanistan. every afghan's hope is that we would be driven by national interest, not clan or fractional or personal interest, as was the case under mr. karzai for so long. the hope is that we will broaden our minds in the scope of what we do and how we do it. marvin: in 2016, there would be two policies. one, election for a new parliament. and the holding of a loya jirga
-- grand council -- which could do a number of things, but was expected, then, to take up the issue about whether there would be a prime minister position created, as was agreed to when the government was formed. as you know, dr. abdullah is designated as chief executive. what are the possibilities of these processes going ahead? what are some of the obstacles and what are some of the consequences, should they not be completed in this year? mr. kugelman: there is a quick answer and a longer answer. sorry. here is the quick answer.
the idea of holding local elections within the next few months what appear to be nothing short of a miracle, for a variety of reasons. when there were presidential elections, there was much more time to prepare for them. the taliban was not as strong as it is now. and yet, at this point, you are being asked to do something in a mere few months. the loya jirga issue -- i will refrain from getting into the legalese, but the crux of the matter is that the founding political agreement that form the national unity government especially says you need a loya jirga to happen in two years. but it does not spell out the consequences of not holding one in two years. and is silent on the issue of how long the national unity government is to last for.
the agreement did not save the national unity government is null and void if there's no loya jirga. the issue of if the election or loya jirga does not occur, it comes down to one of two possibilities. you can look at this from a business perspective and contend when two parties enter a contract and do not achieve what the contract is set to achieve, the whole thing could become null and void. the other is an argument of omission. that this political agreement does not explicitly say that the government must fold if there is not a loya jirga in two years. in terms to what interpretation is proper, i am not in a position to say. marvin: that was the short version. mr. kugelman: yes. [laughter]
prof. jalali: i think there are two issues. one is the inequality of who wrote the constitution, and how the game changes. the other one -- the election of afghanistan is for five years. this government was elected for five years. there is no constitutional problem that this government continues for five years. the helm of this government got the votes from the people. however, in order to respond to the problems that occurred, the fraud in the election and votes, in order to bring together these two people, who got the majority of votes, into a government, some kind of arrangement was made.
if a loya jirga could not be held in september or next year, or if the parliamentary election does not do well, that will be a problem. for the leadership to deal with. but the problems in the unity government is an effective this. the legitimacy of the government did not originate from the ballot box. it emanated from a deal that its legitimacy depends on its effectiveness. if it does not act effectively, then they have a problem. not that a loya jirga will be
convened in september or not -- that is not the problem. it does not undermine the term of this government of five years. the constitution gives that. but loya jirga, elections, all of these things, if it helps the government function effectively, if that does not happen, then this is a problem. mr. smith: since i started working in the first afghans election in 2003, i have always been bothered by the unrealistic timetables we have always set for ourselves. we got away with in 2004 and 2005. but when i saw the september agreement -- and one day i hope history books will look at this -- i was appalled.
whoever negotiated this put in place a series of processes that could not possibly be held within the timelines it was supposed to hold them, which means it was doomed to begin with. i do not think anybody thought we would be having district, council elections this year and district-council boundaries have not been able to be drawn for 15 years. why we would get electronic ids issued to every afghan citizen when it has not been able to be done in the last decade. so what do we do? i agree there is a legal and political case that this government last five years. but why do we not take the three and a half years that remain and set up an agenda that allows it to do reform that is not compressed, allows you to plan an election that can be feasible, and look at it as a chunk of three and half years instead of the next six months, the next six months, where we fail to achieve anything and find ourselves in may of 2019 with no preparations done, because we did not take a longer view point. that is what i would do.
and provide the assurances, that are legal -- a degree that says the powers of the chief executive are not transferable. let's get the country back on a more rational path towards election and return to constitutionality. amb. samad: obviously, we got sidetracked and railed by a lot of different events. and we did not stick to a timeline. there has been a concerted effort to play a delay tactic to prevent the election reform commission to be formed, first of all.
for them to do their work properly. i was part of this on a daily basis, dealing with these issues. these issues could have been dealt with within the time frames that were allotted to them. if there was political will. this goes back to political will. not whether three months was enough or not or six months were enough or not. it also poses this critical question of how much do we want to rock the political boat in afghanistan and when do we want to rock it? look at what happened. first, the president's first item was an overture to
pakistan. it was not to put the political structure back in place. it is to go to islamabad. it was announced by march 2015, we would have peace talks. instead of peace talks, we had bomber after bomber after bomber hitting afghanistan in all places. we had all those foreign fighters, who had been pushed inside afghanistan, throughout 2013 through 2015. had set up shop and were ready. there was a strategy to take over as much territory as they could in 2015. it was the afghan security forces and our international allies who put a stop to it. we lost a few places here or there, but the strategy was to gain a foothold and take over a few provinces. that has not happened.
so this distraction took place in 2015. and it was not in our political will to implement the accord. even today. yesterday, i got a note from kabul, saying the next step is the selection committee, which is supposed to look at who is supposed to be and under what conditions and what criteria are supposed to be used and one of the legal framework for the next election commission. independent election commission. very important. we saw with the former one did. there is no political will to move forward, one side or the other. it is easy to blame time when you know that the game is different. mr. smith: game or not, from a technical perspective, i think it is not political will.
if we keep thinking that this could happen in a few months, we will keep making the same delays. amb. samad: we had five years between 2009 and 2014 to fix the elections. some of you who worked on it are here. what kind of election would you prepare for afghanistan? where did all of this money that the u.s. spent on electioneering and how to make this election look -- where did it go and what did it produce? that is how the afghans see it. it is easy to say we can blame time, but the afghans saw what happened. in the five years you how to fix the elections after the 2009 travesty. it was not fixed. marvin: let's switch gears slightly.
by looking at the fact that, as is pointed out, we do not have a peace process in the works. it now seems as if it is post peace process. we are looking at some of the consequences of that. one of those seems to be that the bright days of cooperation between pakistan and afghanistan have -- seem far behind now. the president delivered an address to the parliament recently, though he did not entirely close the door, indicated if he had not closed it with the taliban, he probably had closed it with pakistan. relations with pakistan have certainly deteriorated. i want to ask the panel what are some of the implications of what could amount to a real breach in relations with pakistan?
and in addressing that, is there anything the united states or the international community can do to alleviate what might be a serious development? and for that matter, going back to the earlier discussions, is the role for the united states and the international community generally, stepping in on the political side as well, having done so so many times, do we have any cards left to play? prof. jalali: first of all, let's note that peace talks are the means, not the goal. if it can help bring peace and stability in afghanistan, fine. but it is not the goal. afghanistan faces security threats and instability. there are two ways to respond. one is to do things, to use means to reduce the level of threat to security. the other means is to better their capacity to respond to the threat. they go hand in hand.
i think it will be very good to have peace talks and then reduce the level of threat. however, there are many complications to it. on the other hand, the longer the afghan state has survived, -- the taliban will have to have their way. whether the priority is to support the afghan state or to beg others to help us to bring some kind of political settlement, acceptable or not to the majority of the people. this is the problem. i think ashraf ghani went to pakistan first thing because without relations with pakistan, it would be difficult to bring taliban to the negotiating table.
when he went to pakistan, he had three demands from them. first, end this undeclared war between afghanistan and pakistan that has been going on 15 years. or some indication should be presented that this undeclared war is over. once of this is done, then afghanistan can establish normal relations with pakistan. over time, maybe we will have a special relationship -- political, economic, security. that did not happen. he had given pakistan until march of that year -- did not
happen. two months later, pakistan brought another package. which was not acceptable. as long as this difference of approaches is there between afghanistan and pakistan, it will be difficult to ask pakistan to help bring taliban to the negotiating table. so what is the other option? the other option is the capacity of the government and the armed services to respond to the threats over time to convince the taliban that they are losing, and they will come to the negotiating table. the last two opportunities to have peace and field conditions. one was in 2001, when the taliban were excluded. the two sides in the civil war. either one side feeds the other, or they make a peaceful
the longer -- the less chance they have to comeback. the priority is to build the capacity in the government with the international community so that this will force the taliban to come to the table. marvin: we do want to leave time, so i will asked the panelists a question. the question is a broad one. michael? michael: when it comes to the peace process, it comes down to the taliban. the taliban will sit down to talk when it has an incentive
and it does not have one right now. if it were to be beaten back significantly on the battle field and if it was held it were on the fence, they would have reason to come to the point right now. the quadrilateral peace process is for all intents and purposes dead. but the idea of a peace process not dead altogether. it is certainly off the table for the foreseeable future. the issue of what role the united states could play is useful and i do not think that has been brought up yet. i am more optimistic about washington's's ability to address reconciliation within afghanistan and in between afghanistan and pakistan. i always thought the idea was somewhat of a myth. with afghanistan, it is a bit of a different story.
economic assistance, in a context where the u.s. support, it is significant. as we discussed the u.s. government, help me to get afghanistan out of the election crisis a few years back, i mentioned as things get tricky down the road over the next few months, we can assume john kerry in his last few months in power will make this a fairly frequent destination. president obama i imagine that this way is in a legacy stage and i imagine he will not want to be remembered for failing to keep the government from falling apart, he will not want to leave office knowing the afghan government he helped put together ended up falling into pieces. i do not want to overstate the desirability of the u.s. to be getting involved in this type of
thing. i think they're certainly can and should be a role for the u.s. and the broader international community to play. >> i think we have had a lot of lessons learned on the way on the taliban and pakistan's role on the geopolitics of the region, on the history behind this. the taliban are no 23 years old. i think this antiquated war, in my opinion, did not start in 2001, but 1992. and it was not really, it was part civil war, a civil war because it was not like, ethnicities were all against
each other and hiding each other, afghanistan unfortunately has never experienced such a disaster. i think there is a strong unity core within the afghan identity. from the beginning, it was obvious there are geostrategic and geopolitical objectives that have to be met. once the soviets left and the communist government fell, the biggest and most powerful player left their uzbekistan, who had handled and managed for a decade of war, billions of dollars that have come through pakistan to fight the soviets. it had gained so much leverage. this is as the sand and the moon in the sky. what you are seeing is the continuation of the policy in different shades.
the shades changed after 2001 and took on a different image or exterior. maybe the 2014 to some extent. i do not think anyone in afghanistan thinks the core strategy behind pakistan's use of proxies to control at least our foreign policy is in any doubt. still in washington, i am aghast. i would be disappointed to think that people in london still think pakistan has some other motivation.
let's call a spade a spade and let's deal with it in that context, not under solutions that do not make sense. i'm not against -- as a diplomat, i am for talks and dialogue. but we have to be ready for that. we have to be ready to speak as a stakeholder and a party to any talks and negotiations. you have to have a strategy. where was the strategy? i know there was one, but it did not have the african backing. this is why it has not resulted
in anything. what we need to do is regroup, and politically speaking, we need to reunite afghans around that idea, something workable and practical, in terms of relationships or issues with pakistan. in terms of defenses, we need to bolster our defenses and this is where the united visit others have had amazing role to play to makes sure our forces are protected by whatever is needed, whether air or land or intelligence, and that it is not just, you know, easy talk. it has to be demonstrated in this is why i think the next administration, has to look at it from a perspective of, what have we learned what to do and
what not to do. how do we bring durable and real peace to afghanistan that has the backing and support of the afghan people. just, you know, easy talk. if there are afghan taliban, which happens on almost a daily basis, let's not fall for the ethnic linkages and so on and so forth. those things have passed the test of time and have not amounted to anything.
i remember at one point, they used a symbol, as their spiritual leader, to make advances in afghanistan in the 1990's. he had some recognition and was somewhat popular and people had a good memory. they said if they ever get a hold of him, they will hang him. they did the same thing in they are doing the same thing. in the name of the brotherhood or whatever people think they are doing or not doing. going forward, we need to have learned the lessons, in my opinion. >> for a moment there i thought you were going to suggest
building a wall. >> in a sense, we do not have a shared vision of part of the conflict and you can be a mediator. out, it is mostly between afghan. another said it is mostly between them and pakistan. others said it is between them and us because they want us out of there. pakistan said the conflict is with india and afghanistan is a strategic point and that is where the weight of the resolution has to live. so that is a very revamped pointing out one of the real challenges and why we have not been able to get this out of the ground. without getting into the details of the differences in the tele-band. talk about incentives, right now the biggest disagreement as whether to negotiate or not said
to push them to negotiate is to push them towards fracture and that is not going to happen. belet me ask you to recognized for questions, please keep questions short. introduce yourself briefly. i will take down front and we will move it around. >> thank you. i am john dempsey with the state the specialffice of representative for afghanistan and pakistan and what i am about to say is not necessarily the view of the state department. i'm speaking in my own personal capacity. to look back at negotiations in 2014, and i know scott mentioned he was appalled at terms included in the political agreement. there were certainly things included that were, at the time, but it isot capable
important to remember the top priority at the time was to have a democratic transition to a successor from the president. what happened following the runoff election that summer did not give much confidence that they were going to be able to achieve that transition successfully anytime quickly. as time moved forward without bothution there were fears here in and in other places that there would be manipulation of the political chaos to president karzai's advantage to remain in power. interim government where his interest would be of paramount concerned so we were able to get there successfully. the other point i would make is on the difference between a political and legal and constitutional westerns. not -- there is
was a five term. in afghanistan, the reality is people are getting bogged down in what is legal versus what is practical and i think the latter is much more important. >> we will take that as a comment rather than a question. >> i knew i would face flak for that comment and i appreciate the comments. but i think it is irresponsible not to raise the point. the idea of trying to re-create a political order based on the role of law that you know will be violated because it is counterproductive. >> the gentleman here. please, short. other people in the audience who i want to get to.
it goes a long ways. >> identifymistake yourself. i am president of the national coalition of tribes and msm. with every single tribe and afghanistan. the unfortunate thing is that the west, with one it came, they tried to build up afghanistan to the nation image of the west. afghanistan is a nation of tribes. the tribes have protected and preserved integrity and independence for centuries. unfortunately when the soviet union invaded, they broke the structure and when the west came in, they totally disregarded afghanistan's tribal structure, which is the nation. they started building a roof on imaginary walls. you cannot build a house on imaginary walls.
the walls of afghanistan, both of these have been totally disregarded. so long as we continue to disregarding it, we are not going to have any piece. peace. peace with the taliban, which one are you talking about? saudis? which are we talking about? show me elite are that could control all the taliban and -- there is no such thing. this is a pipe dream. biting the on ice and leaving it in the sun, for god's sake. why don't we sit down and face reality and the fact of what is going on in afghanistan? the people of afghanistan are saying, where is the west, why are we allowed to go to the -- aren't we allowed to go to the united nations and file a larger complaint with the united nations national security? thank you for that arguable comment. >> thank you.
>> yes. so, with his hand up. yes? i am with the afghan american chamber of commerce and we have been focusing on the political here but you still have the business which has to successfully function during this chaos. the business side is willing to do that if some basic aspects of security can be figured out. currently, with the rules of private security, if the business is in turmoil and waiting for turmoil, is there any chance that could be sorted out and politics, later? >> with anybody like to answer? would you like to take this? -- in a week or so my report will be published. it is focused on afghan national defense and security forces.
capability and future. security does not happen in a vacuum. and, the national security forces are just one element in providing security and the country. political, economic, regional, dimensions toic it. it was a year and a half, and they proved they can hold their own. although with a high casualty rate. thatt means that if security forces are used and the capability capability gates are backed by international support, forces and will
be able to guarantee our survival. that is the key. the more stability comes the country, i think you will then have more opportunities and encouragement for people to invest in afghanistan also people not to take their money out. so, it all depends on the stability of afghanistan and the major elements as to the political effectiveness of the government. and defense and security. >> i would add an important plank in all of this is to effectively fight corruption as well and invite an environment where people feel somewhat not only secure from attacks but also from civil servants and those who, contractors, whoever they may be, can be involved in this business practices.
one of the things this government could have done better and has done to some extent but not as much as they could have, is to fight corruption more effectively. marvin: i am looking for a woman. right here. >> i have two questions for the panel. i am from women for afghan women. my first question is about the peace talks coming from afghanistan. he is willing to join me government of afghanistan, but only if his requests are result. name to bes dismissed from the blacklist of the united nations. my second question is about the government, not the sum of constitution of afghanistan, is it for future elections or just
specifically for the residential period. thank you. >> quickly on the talks, i was in kabul last weekend asking people what this was about in the response i got was, one, it was a question of growing old and feeling that he wanted to restore his committee. two, it probably would not have that much influence because they
are not the main perpetrators. some people wanted to believe if a deal could be struck and the government, he would be a positive demonstration to the patent -- to the taliban that yes, you can make a deal. they said it would be announced in a week or so. i do think they may put some stress on the government and depending what the conditions are, it's sort of does seem to certain people as quite a good reward for having fought a long time against the government or let's see were the details are in the deal. classic if you look at the history of afghanistan, it comes incrementally, not in one package. maybe we would be very optimistic to assume that one day, whole of these would sit down at a table and sign. some in afghanistan. however, what conditions, we should of they the decision of afghanistan and when he integrates his people, it should be on the basis of the established rules afghanistan, not some kind of political damage. in afghanistan, all fade as long as t government has some kind
rebellions. this has some support from pakistan. the principles show that rebellions can be defeated by the government as long as it is not alone by its international partners. >> and all of afghan history. >> there is one back there anxious to speak. we do need a pakistani. >> thank you very much. very helpful.
this is something that is ideal and we need to become more pragmatic. mr. scott mentioned pakistan is not willing to bring towels and to the negotiating table, paxton does have some influence but they have no control over them. pakistan's own plate is full and paxton fully understands stability in afghanistan are interdependent. i do not find any incentive to see pakistan she stabilized here is -- somebody looks asked, how are you doing any text, so far, so good. it does not change the reality. my question is, are the taliban building ground, losing ground, are they marginalized, and can there be any kind of comment which is broadly based in terms of rule of law without incorporating the taliban in the system, negotiating power with them?
come and join everybody else. i do not recall a time when this has not been done. yes, we missed some chances. i agree there were opportunities that were missed at the beginning when it probably would have been the best time to do so. but later on there was a realization that we need to come to terms with this particular group that continues to fight. sanctuaries, to it has access to funding and all types of software and hardware outside of afghanistan. obviously, recruitment. outside of afghanistan. i think at this moment, the taliban are probably portraying an image of strength. i think inherently, they are probably at one of the weakest
the press think about the afghan taliban. it involves many other elements who are in one way or another linked to the taliban and have been for 22 years. sometimes, the linkages seem weak and sometimes, very strong, depending on the politics of the day. the problem is we need to fight all the different elements now under the name of the islamic state, daesh, other names, and people coming from all over. most of them are people who had retreated back into the region of afghanistan after the taliban were overthrown. whether they are the al qaeda type or whether they are other arabs or other middle eastern, or whatever connection they had, and they had centuries in the tribal regions going back to the 1980's and 1990's. most of them find themselves back in afghanistan for some reason. this is the situation as i see it.
i think as long as the afghan forces are able to not only contain the taliban but also put pressure on them to make you lose some momentum, we would be closer to a peace deal. the more you put pressure on them, the closer we will get to a peace deal. marvin: ok. we have to be concerned with the two sides being weak, which one fades first. this will have to be our last question. i will take a woman back here again. i always get criticized for this. >> i am glad i wore pink today instead of black or maybe i should past mike to the person
next to me. my name is liz wilson. i work here in dupont circle and we're working on a higher education project in afghanistan now. with the departure of a lot of young, qualified, afghans, i wonder of what are some ways the government might have some strategies to keep young people in the country during this time of transition. our organization has been working for nearly a decade in higher education in afghanistan. they spent a lot of investment china to keep young people there. for staff who i work with on up, it seems there is a big struggle. perspectives on the youth and education in afghanistan? >> you cannot build walls in afghanistan. they should have incentives. in the next four years, 4 million more afghans will hit the job market, unless you provide incentives for jobs and also a future, i think it will be difficult to prevent that as you educate people. in the last 14 years, thousands of afghans were educated inside the country and outside.
the approaches to use these capacities, yes, i think unemployment, declining economic situation, security, and ineffectiveness of the government, these are issues that probably provide incentives for people to leave the country. otherwise, many people would happy to have a job. provide his opportunities, you cannot prevent the exodus afghans educated like many other countries.
marvin: i will apologize to the panel because i do not know about you but i have a feeling we are just getting started. there is so much we have -- they have to share with us and we are just skimming the surface here. i want you to join me in thanking this superb panel. thank you for coming. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] up, donaldcoming trump campaigns it in south bend, indiana. after that, senator ted cruz is
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we won with women. we won with men. but especially the women made me feel good. the women. applause] mr. trump: we did not only win with women, we really want with women. we won with highly educated, less than highly educated, rich, or, everything. we went to new york where we got almost every delegate. 95. then we went to five great states. connecticut, maryland, pennsylvania, delaware, rhode island. every single one of them in a landslide. we won every group. it has been amazing. and now the biggie is going to be indiana, because if we win in indiana it is over with, folks. it is several with. and then we focus on hillary clinton.
[cheers and applause] mr. trump: with an focus on hillary and that is going to be fun. andmber, we started with 17 they went off one by one. i did not know what the hell happened. they went out. now we're down to two with near hanging by their fear nels. they are up there like this. they are hanging. their hanging. it has been unbelievable. i have been here a lot. i have many friends here. they are amazing. i've met so many amazing people and we have had such incredible crowds. that is why had to call him. we had such incredible crowds the end.to look at this room. right up to the corners of this big room. people. oliver. all over. hello, corner. so, it has been an incredible experience. we're going to make america great again.
it is going to be america first. america first. --are going to make america look at all those hats. whites, reds, everything. but we love. you know, the truth is, at the trump rallies it is the safest place in turkey and being. because we look out for he each other. out for everybody. we had one in california recently. 31,000 people. unbelievable. you don't read about that. you read about, they had some problems outside. people were burning the american flag. i don't want them burning the american flag. inside, thele people outside. agitators. many are professionals. they are bad people. you don't see it at all. no, look at this place. telephone you was unbelievable. a new poll just came out in california where i am leading 55
to like 20. ok? [cheers and applause] love that but i do clinton poll. and the other one had me type. by the way, what hillary clinton in a state called indiana, which we love, that just came out, too. that is the wall street journal nbc poll. honda's leading hillary 48-41. hillary is leading 48-41. and the only thing ted cruz could say with his shakespearean -- oh. i cannot watch. i love these guys. we want trap. lying ted. that's right. he lies like nobody else can live. he was lying. and they had these guys debating and they were just -- they know. they get it. they said, you are lying. you are lying.
said online they were supporting trump. then all the sudden i heard i was supporting with him as my vice president. and you had ted cruz saying, who would you rather have, himself and carly or donald trump and mike tyson. where did that come from? first of all, where did that come from. and he said, donald trump wants to raise your taxes 40 present. just so you understand, i have a tax policy and we have a tax land put in and i am given by far the biggest tax reduction of anybody at running. by far. for the middle class and especially for business. nation inighest taxed the world. the fact is the one criticism of my tax plan is that i am giving so much.
plan isr words, my tax much higher. yet you listen to this lying guy who says i want to raise your taxes 40%. i have only done this nine months. i think i am doing a good job. do you agree? [cheers and applause] mr. trump: and all my life i have the business started off with a $1 million loan and then i had the greatest assets i am not saying braggadocio but bad as well be needed our country we have to bring the country back. mr. trump: the world is ripping us off. it be china or vietnam
or japan. i could name any country. i can name any country, they are teaching us. we do not win any more. a we are going to start winning. big-league. big lake. i just went to texas, so i'm giving you the biggest and i hear this guy and i think, oh i wish i were standing next to him so i can tell the truth. now, you have been watching me for a long time. repeal and replace obamacare, right? andying ted cruz gets up says, donald trump loves, you know with a big flares. think he i do not even is a good debater. according to every single online poll at every single online debate i have beat him. i mean, michael live is a debate that i do not debate. but this guy, so i talk about oak -- obamacare. we're going to repeal it and replace it with something great. i don't know if you've seen it, but premiums are going up so
much, right? up 25%, 45, going 50 5%. your deductibles are so high that you are never going to be able to use it unless you are like close to death. say we're going to repeal a replace obamacare and i hear lying ted cruz today, he says, donald trump loves obamacare. he wants to take it to the next level. he loves it. i am saying, he is such a liar. you know, i was giving a little bit of shelter when during one of the debates marco rubio called him a client -- a liar. so now here is a senator calling a senator a liar. i have never seen a guy light like that. he even said, donald trump will not hold a wall. he said he is not going to build the wall. not build the wall? ok. we're going to build the wall.
can you imagine? no, you imagine -- we are going to build the wall. do not even worry about. we'll talk about the wall. don't worry about. and i tell you, we are going to build the wall, we are going to and ands from boring poisoning our youth and other people. we are building the wall. and i've got this guy, ted cruz. lying ted. donald trump is not going to build the wall. i think is crazy. honestly, i think he is crazy. lying ted does not have the temperament to be doing this. he is choking like a dog because he is losing so badly we have to put them away tomorrow. we have to get out and vote. we have to get out and vote. [applause] mr. trump: we have got to get out and vote. so -- thank you, darling. ohh!
i love her too. ready? so this is very depressing. it happens all the time. every place i go to new york state landslides. they go to different communities and i say not the most exciting job to be a statistician but they love it, right? it's their job but i say give me the statistics on certain areas albany new york, poughkeepsie. i go to new york and it's horrible. what's happening? the jobs are down 50% in manufacturing, it's horrible what's happening in new york state that i go to pennsylvania. you look at the steel industry and by the way look at the steel industry here, it's being killed. the steel industry here is being killed. the coal industries being killed. your industry, you're manufacturing. so i go up to sell then will stop what school do i love? i have so many friends that love me there are that would like to be there with me right now in south bend. for a certain reason. so south and reason.
don't be depressed, because we going to fix it. no politician can fix it because they are all bought and controlled by special interests. remember that. so a friend of mine who is very smart, and very smart guy said you know donald i don't understand these politicians are really.use he is losing so badly we have to put them away tomorrow. they are all given so much money by their packs and their special contributors. some of these guys have negotiated with china and mexico and all these big countries where we just die with these deals.e trade they are political hacks. but i tell you what. they are making deals because they are special-interest donors, tellries, them. when i see carrier air-conditioning leaving indiana four mexico, there are people who want that to happen. i have been talking about it
since they first had that speech i've been talking about. i know i'd be in indiana. the coach was great to endorse me and we have had so many great endorsements. and bobby knight just called and bobby knight is going to be here tomorrow all day and i will tell you bobby knight was so cool because a year ago before it was going to run i announced nine or 10 months ago on june 16, a big day. it takes guts to do this stuff, believe me folks. i had a nice life. i had a nice company and a nice family and now i call back and say we'll be home in four days but i will tell you what, bobby knight called me and he heard i was thinking about running. i had never met bobby knight. i knew bobby knight, winner, smart and tough which is what we need in our country. and bobby called up and first i
had to make sure it was him. they call back and they do all sorts of things but bobby called up and he said i hope you are going to run. i said you know what coach, thinking about it seriously. it's a big commitment. we have got to make america great again. i watch what's happening and he said donald you've got to run. i said coach i'll tell you what do me a favor, give me your number, let me see what i do and i will call you. what happens a couple of months later announced i'm running and i come down and we are talking about trade and talking up the border and all these things that literally these things would have never even been brought up if i didn't talk about them. when i talk about illegal immigration and was like for weeks i was getting absolutely killed and oppressed by the dishonest media, but the media that said we have 1500 people here tonight and we have 6000. so dishonest.
carl, don't be ashamed of yourself. but you know what? you know what? i had to do it. we talked about illegal immigration and we brought up trade and then you had paris and i started talking about the muslim problem which is a problem with you like it or you don't and nobody else is talking about it. we talked about radical islamic terrorism and we have a president that doesn't want to use the term because he doesn't know what the hell he is doing or maybe he does know what he's doing, one or the other. maybe he does know what he's doing but in so many ways he doesn't. bobby called and i put in this number and now all of a sudden indiana, because usually it is late, but now indiana is becoming very important. and i say it's so important. in terms of the race. usually by this time it's over and it doesn't matter but this time you folks belong where you belong. it is called important bill. importantville. here. so many friends
i love it. we have a huge victory in new york. cruz got almost no votes in new york. he would be beaten so badly by hillary clinton. he can't win so these guys do terribly and then the following week i get rid of all five in a landslide. we are going to win the whole thing. we're going to beat her in a landslide. [applause] so one of my political guys said you know we are going to indiana and i have spent a lot of time over there in the last two weeks. we are going to indiana. if you could give bobby knight, would that be possible? i said, possible? i have his phone number on my desk. i said what a great idea so i called them up and here is how smart he is. he goes i've been waiting for your call. can you believe that? then he said when can we meet? he's been so incredible and he said some things that were really great. he said donald, i'm going to work so hard for you to be great. we are going to bring jobs back. we are not going to let carrier
go to mexico. there've got to be consequences. when people want to lay off 1400 people go to mexico and sell their product back to us with no tax or consequence is not going to happen and that's not only carrier. we are losing our manufacturers. we are losing our country between what is happening there, what's happening with china, 500 million-dollar trade deficit with china, $58 billion with mexico, a trade deficit a tremendous trade deficit, astronomical trade deficit with japan. -- $58 billion with mexico. trade deficit. a tremendous trade deficit. a tremendous, astronomical trade deficit with japan. everybody. deficit withde everybody. you could call out a country. and now they want to make a new
deal, transpacific partnership, which will be as bad as nafta. who approved nafta? kasich approved nafta. one of the deciding votes. so here's what happened. when bobby went into that arena, and it was a big arena, it was incredible. people are screaming, crying. they love robbie. he won 900 games. he won 300 college championships. he won the olympics. he won the pan am games. he has the only, i don't know of you know, i did not even realizes, i said how come it has not been broken yet? but he is the last undefeated season. a row,almost had to in he had won almost before. here is a winner. he said, for the people of indiana it is an important week. if we win, it is over and then i can focus -- [applause]
mr. trump: then i not have to worry about lying ted cruz. i don't have to worry about john kasich it was one in 44 and that is his own state. and that is because i did not go that i don't two days, i stayed in florida because i wanted to win florida and they gave me what is called a dirty poll. somebody came out with a dirty poll in florida. if i would've spent two more days in ohio, we would have one. but i did not stop it is ok. 45, 40 4, 46,for something. now, in the popular vote i am millions ahead of ted cruz. but it is a rate system. it is dishonest. it is meant for the bosses to be able to keep the special interests happy and the people who give them money said that
mexico and other places where you have big interests, i tell you what, the system is so sick. i win louisiana. i was not supposed to. i went there and campaigned for three days, massive speeches. we headed airplane hangar bigger than this room that was packed and we win louisiana. and then two or three weeks later, they go and alter the numbers. they said trump one louisiana. it's only been nine months. i am ignoring that out or a fast. you mean i can win and the guy who comes in third place or four place comes in with more delegates than me. no think of it. , it's a dirty system. i will tell you what i'm proud of. for 40 or 50 years how long has this been going on on with this crazy delegate system? nobody ever complain. nobody ever talks about it. i always heard, delegate, delegate, elegant.
then you had in colorado where they did a poll and they said we don't want to go with floats so let's take the votes away from the people and the bosses are is going to pick it. and it will always be a senator under control and who borrows money from goldman sachs. cruz borrowed money from goldman sachs and citibank. $1 million at a rate you would be proud to have. nobody in this room would be able to get the loan rate and he forgot to disclose it on his financial disclosure form. he forgot, lyin' ted. he said, i forgot. he was until 18 months ago he was a citizen of canada. he forgot to tell you that. oh i didn't know that. oh. this guy, i mean give me a break. bobby said, and it was so incredible. bobby knight said to the people at one of the speeches because the one around with me, he said it will be so great because donald trump is going to be a great president and i appreciate him saying that. and the people of indiana if they vote for him they are going to put him over the top and we
can focus on hillary clinton. so good. [applause] mr. trump: nobody could say it, nobody could say it. so i appreciate lou holtz just called and an lou holtz just endorsed me. [applause] mr. trump: a really good guy, just put it out. it's all over the internet. lou holtz is a really good guy so we have everybody. we have so many great endorsements. you know who's very important to me? 16,500 border patrol people endorsed me last week. they have never done it before. sheriff joe you talk about borders, sheriff joe from arizona, but the 60,500 people had never endorsed a presidential candidate before and they endorsed me so that was a great honor. we need borders. we need to have our country back. we can't have people walking across our borders and we have
to either have a country or we don't have a country and you can't have a country if you don't have borders and on top of that we have drugs pouring across. you know when i won new , hampshire that was the first state that i won. when you win something of a special feeling. i won new hampshire in a landslide. i wasn't supposed to. gemma was supposed to. -- jeb bush was supposed to. raised $168 million in a super pac. 168 million he was favorite to win new hampshire and i wanted in a landslide. i have a much higher level of energy. and i wouldn't say that because once the race is over, i love all these people. when you defeat somebody, you are supposed to love them. never lose. and i wouldn't say the other day , he was on television saying that stuff although he did say was a phenomena. he did say i'm a gifted politician.
i don't understand that. i am not a gifted politician. was a giftedthat i politician, i think he meant that not as a compliment. being a politician itself is not so great but i beat jeb bush and think of this, i spent the least amount of money. he spent the most. i came in first. he came in last or close. other people have spent far more money than me and so far i spent that the major candidates the least amount of money by far and i'm number one in a landslide. [applause] mr. trump: now, if you look at education, 30 countries, we are last. we are like 30th. so we are last in education. if you look at cost per pupil, we are first. by the way there is no second because we spend so much more per pupil that they don't even talk about number two. it is ridiculous. when you like -- think of this,
it's norway, denmark sweden, china, japan. the five. we are 30th but we are first in terms of spending per pupil. with me i spent the least amount of the best results. isn't that what you want for your president? and here's the other thing, i'm self-funding so i'm not controlled by all these people that controlled cruz, they control hillary, crooked, crooked, crooked hillary. you know the other day they were talking about crooked hillary and myself. they said one of her people and one of obama's people and they said who do you think hillary wants to run against? and they said let me tell you the one she doesn't want to run against, donald trump.
she said a guy like cruz is cookie-cutter. it will make barry goldwater looks like he has a successful campaign. with trump they don't know what's going to happen. they don't know where he is going to come from and i'm going to win states like new york, estate which no republican would ever even campaign because he had no chance. you saw it two weeks ago i won by a landslide. against two people and the dishonest media when they say for five weeks ago or 10 weeks ago we would have 12 people and i would want to stay. i would win south carolina. i win nevada, i win the south. kentucky, i won them all. i won missouri. i won them all and then i won florida in a landslide and they are saying -- i have 12 people against me. you cannot win 50%.
i mean, if i am abraham lincoln i can get it the percent. 17 people. it is the biggest number of people ever to run that anybody can ever remember, ever. i have these characters on television that don't have the brains they were born with. ok? and they are dishonest and they are dishonest. he will say i have this victory were indeed everybody by a lot traded 50%, 14 people even now i have three people so we have three people. it's hard to break 50% when you have three people and yet in new york we had almost 62%. in pennsylvania i won every single cabinet. nobody remembers that happening before. in delaware the same thing, in maryland if everyone every one of them. in connecticut. i won greenwich connecticut, nobody has ever seen it before.
i won the rich areas, i won the poor areas. and you hear, or have she should have gotten more. actually, they did not say that. the always say pharma always say, we had all these people running and they say, he jeb wouldt 50%. and say, oh, he is not conservative. we have the dummies representing us. we have real dummies. we have people controlled by special interests so when you have that you can throw in the free trade out the window. you see what free trade has gotten, you see what globalization would we go all over the world because our politicians are corrupt and crooked and taking care of by campaign contributions and by the way who would know better
than me? do i know the system better than anybody in the world? ok? anybody in the world. so we have a rigged deal and here's what's going to happen, it's so important that samargya -- that tomorrow you get out and you vote. tomorrow you have got to get out and vote. because we have a movement going on. bill o'reilly from fox is a tough cookie and i always say man, that was tough. but i like him. bill o'reilly says in his entire life, his entire life this is the single biggest political phenomenon he has ever witnessed. the biggest, the biggest. and then i stand here and is packed halls with thousands and thousands and i have to listen to carl cameron gives a phony count, ok? think of it will o'reilly said the single biggest political event, i think that was the word he used, event. that's a big statement. that's a guy who's been around
and he is a smart guy but that's a big statement. many people have said it ended to us, i am a messenger. if you are tired of making less money than he did 18 years ago, you are tired of it, i understand it. you are tired of seeing carrier leave your state go to mexico, build a plant, put their equipment and sell it like nothing happened and by the way the air-conditioners cost the same because they have to compete with crane and all the other companies. i buy from all of them. i am not buying from carrier anymore. [applause] mr. trump: but they have to compete with all the other companies. and you know what what does it do for us? so i'm a free trader but free trade isn't working and we don't have the people that can do free trade because we don't have the smart people. now nafta destroyed our country, destroyed large sections of our
country and by the way you take a look at your manufacturing here. look at the numbers, nafta has been a disaster. what it's done to new england and new york state, what it's done here and what it's done everywhere. bill clinton signed it. bill clinton signed it. that was a clinton deal. it's been horrible. now they want to pass transpacific partnership. ok? that will be worse than nafta and we will sufferer. and we're going to stop them from doing it. we are not going to let them continue. you know the document, the document is 6000 pages long and i guarantee you every one of those countries that are involved, every single one of them have read every word, every , -- every comma every paragraph and our guys have never even read it i guarantee you. 6000 pages folks. and all it is is another way for other countries to the blood out of the united states and we are not going to let it happen.
[applause] mr. trump: and lyin' ted cruz is in favor of it and the single biggest advantage these companies have his monetary manipulation where they make it impossible for our companies to compete with them so our companies and the bleeding. its it's devaluation of the currency, especially china which isn't in the tpp but they will be because if it works out as well as people think when they rip us off china will join later on through the back door and they are watching and i guarantee you they have taught people studying that. they will comment through the backdoor by cruz actually was responsible for making sure that there is no language having to do with devaluation and that's the biggest thing they do to business. and cruz, and he won't talk about it but he's the one responsible and the senators on the list.
i mean, if you look at jeff sessions his all-time most respected senator, senator jeff sessions and they talk about him at the beginning. jeff sessions is from alabama. a fantastic guy. he endorsed donald trump. he endorsed trump. that was a great endorsement. we have had so many that jeff sessions, he doesn't want to do anything about transpacific partnership. he doesn't want to do anything about the manipulation art devaluation of currency and without that focus we are going to -- this will make nafta look like a baby. so we have to get in there fast. we have to knock it out and i don't mind making agreements but we should make agreements with with one-on-one, one on one and you know what, if they don't treat us right we pulled the agreement. we are all bound up and you ought to see the chart. it's a chart from hell.
nobody even knows it and i'm telling you those guys are studying it and nobody from our group has even read the dm agreement. nobody from our damn has even read the agreement. and it goes on for many years. one-on-one, if somebody treats us well to make a trade agreement and i will have the best negotiators in the world make a fair agreement. i don't want to be tied up. if country a does this and nobodyb does that -- knows what the hell is going on. the bad countries that have not treated as well benefit because they get the benefit of what the good countries are getting so everybody is taking advantage. it's a disaster. we go one-on-one with countries and if they treat us well we take care of them and if they treat us badly we can't get out of it. it's like a spider's web such as remember it and cruz wants that
and so does kasich by the way. cruz wants it so we are not going to let it happen. ok? so when i came down the escalator with my wife on june 16, not long ago and i brought up all of these things and i thought at the time it was going to be trained and illegal immigration. i gave a speech in from the beginning we went up from, they weren't polling me because they never thought i was going to win. we went up almost from the beginning and within a few weeks we were number one. people agreed with what i was saying and we have been number one ever since. we have been number one ever since. [applause] and importantly, i never debated before. i was at center stage for every single debate and according to every poll and drudge and "time" magazine, every single one had me number one and i won every debate.
and cruz i heard he was a good debater. i think he's a terrible debater unless you want to hear shakespeare. i don't want to hear shakespeare. when he was debating in high school and college, nobody interrupted him. with me, i interrupted him and he got all lost. it's called the real world, right? importantly the beginning i went to number one -- out of all these characters out there. now he has reached the ceiling. i started out at six or five or something. he said he's got five and i was higherause they get the benefit of what the good countries are getting so everybody is taking advantage. it's a disaster. we go one-on-one with countries and if they treat us well we take care of them and if they treat us badly we can't get out of it.
these morons like karl rove. the guy is a more run. he still thinks -- no, no. karl rove. he still thinks romney won. dinner romney when? romney got wiped out. he should've won that election. that is an election that should've been one. i backed him. and i back john mccain. backed mccain. he did not win. i backed romney, should've won. did not win. going tohis time i am do it myself, folks. we are going to win. we're going to win. so a lot of things happen. i talked about trade, talked about illegal immigration. then you had the killing of kate in san francisco. shot in the back by someone who
should've never been allowed in california. then you had jamil in california. san francisco. los angeles area, california. he was killed. his father is a great guy. his son was taken for him by an illegal immigrant. shot to the race three or four times for doing nothing. we are going to build a wall. and then you had, and then you had the incredible veteran, 65-year-old woman raped, sodomized, raped and killed in california. this is all over the country. we are not going to take it anymore. not taken anymore. we're not taking it anymore. then, the polls a start coming out word tribe is definitely the best on the border and best on everything. best on everything except they did not like my personality.
who cares about my personality? i think i am a nicer person than most of them. the only thing i did not do well on his personality. and by the way, no one respects women more than i do. i will tell you that. and women are looking for security in our country and they now i am going to do the best job will stop look at hillary. remember that ad? who is going to be awake at 3:00 in the morning? when they called from benghazi she was sleeping. she was sleeping. she was sleeping. she was not awake. so all of the polls are doing great. amazing. and we have been called paris. -- and then we had a thing called paris. 130 people were killed, hundreds of people lying in the hospital right now injured so badly their lives are destroyed. you have people that went in and
boom, boom, b oom. boom, boom, boom. the toughest gun laws in the world paris, france, shooting people, killing people, hurting people. people are so badly injured, hundreds of them. then you had san bernardino. you had a radicalized -- they were given a baby shower by the same people they killed a short while later. boom.boom, it would've been a whole different story if those people had guns. a whole different story, folks. -- in fact, it may have never happen because of these people found out, if they found out there were bands in the room they probably would not even of gone there, ok? it would've been a completely different story. so we will protect our second amendment. and we are really going to
protect our second amendment, ok? we're going to take care of it arecherish it because they chipping away, chipping away at the second amendment will stop we're not going to let it happen. taketory is we're going to care of our people. we're going to negotiate deals. we want other countries to do well. but it has got to be a america first. when we have 19 trillion in debt going to 21 trillion because of the horrible budget, the omnibus budget. the omnibus. which by the way, finds obamacare. which ones syrians coming in where we have no idea where they are coming in. they are coming here. illegal immigrants coming in. in lots of other things. you know, i always say that obama is a horrible negotiator except when it comes to negotiating with the republicans in congress.
he gets everything he wants. and what happens? we send these people off, and i am a fan of the tea party which has been maligned over the years. ok? maligned. but i am a fan. we send these people may go, we're going to get rid of obamacare. we will do this, we'll do that. at thelected, they look beautiful homes gone the beautiful ceilings, the marble, the statues, and something happens. they become lost. he looks at his wife and he goes, alice we have finally arrived. and then they both for everything. that is not happening with me. it is not happening with the, folks. not going to happen. it has been such an honor and i am going to try to see the other two rooms. maybe i will bring carl cameron with me. but i'm going to try to stop by but let me just tell you. it has been just an honor. and hopefully tomorrow, in and get every friend you have that
can vote. every friend you can have. everybody. because here's what is going to happen, you are going to remember this evening. thank you. i love you. i love you. i love you. thank you. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: thank you. you got to remember this evening. we had a good time. with a bad subject. bad subject, our country is doing terribly. the real job numbers 20% or more. not 5%. that was put in to make politicians look at. if you stop looking for a job, looking, looking, looking, if you stop looking they consider employed.tically we're going to bring jobs back to our country and we're not going to let people leave so easily anymore. so you are going to remember this night, but more importantly, you're going to remember the boat that you cast tomorrow. cast tomorrow.
when you look act in five years, 20 years, 50 years, we have somebody young people. i think i have younger people then bernie. by the way, bernie sanders, his system is rigged also. it inhe republicans rake a much more sophisticated way without the superdelegate thing. bernie, he wins, he wins, he wins. and then you watch these guys, he can't win. but here's what you've got to do. you have got to vote. we will make america so great, may greater than ever before. suffermight have to them. ted cruz will lose the biggest landslide in history. and john kasich, when he gets it with a negative ad. i have had 60,000 negative ad. ted cruz has had none. john kasich has had none.
when they get hit with their first negative ad, they are over. immune, i think we are to that. and the ads are totally phony ads. but here's the story. you are going to look like years from now and say, it was the single greatest vote you've ever cast. and here's why. it is our country, our country is going to start winning again. we are going to win with our military. it is being depleted. we're going to build up our military. make it stronger, bigger, better than ever before. knock the going to hell out of isis, just so you understand. we have no choice. we have no choice. as part of that, we're going to take care of our great veterans. our veterans have been left behind. very unfair. win ongoing to
education. we're getting rid of common core. we're bringing education local. we're going to win on education. we are going to repeal obamacare a hand we're going to come up with something that is so much better and less expensive. protectoing to save and and cherish our second amendment. going to build a wall. we're going to mexico pay for the wall. and we're going to our strong borders and we're going to have people come into our country, but they're going to come and legally. legally. and we are going to make unbelievably good trade deals. no more stupid it deals where our businesses and money gets sucked out of our country. we're going to make great, great deals made by the greatest people. we have the greatest negotiators in the world right here in this country and we are going to use
them, not political hacks that do not know what they're doing and probably, who the hell knows, they are bought off and they're making such bad deals. we're going to make the best trade deals. and you're going to look back and you are going to say, you know what? ed winningen we start again. we're going to win and when, and you're going to say, please mr. trump i cannot take it. but i don't care, we're going to win and we're going to make america great again. iq, indiana. i love you. i love you. thank you, indiana. i love you. i love you. [applause]
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of foreigners to replace americans. what a phony. senior editor with politico joining us. >> he has pulled out every single thing. he has been barnstorming the state. most notably, he rolled out a by's presidential nominee despite the fact he trails by some 400 delegates. a lot is on the line. if he wants to stop donald trump he really needs the first step to happen tomorrow in indiana. he has 10 different sets across the state. really, all-out to the finish line. not necessarily great news coverage today.
carly fiorina actually fell off the stage. there were questions about answering whether or not ted cruz is the zodiac killer. he has had a rough 24 hours. >> wall street journal polls showing trump has a double-digit lead in indiana. some other polls show it closer. trump is in the drivers seat. hethe thing for cruises really does want to pull out a victory there and really needs to. -- if hent to look at happens to have success it is really going to be a big media bob. but that is not where the race appears to be headed right now. guardedaign seems a bit down into the indiana fight. next you look at the delegates needed to win the nomination on the first alec, if donald trump winds tomorrow this would allow him to gain 30-40,
maybe all republican delegates. where does that put the race? >> basically the race is going to go delegate-wise all the way to the end. there is not a way for donald trump to mathematically clinch until california votes on june 7. even if he wins indiana, he needs to win california, too. there are other options of ted cruz completely collapses or he could win short of that. but do matter what, it will not end until june 7. so some of the anti-trump sources will say they will keep soldiering on, fighting on, kicking off congressional districts where they can win. in the last six states, in the northeast one of trumps stronger regions, he won every single county that voted except for manhattan. he is not winning by a little bit. he is winning cities, suburbs, rural areas. this is a challenge for ted cruz .
can he turn around this big winning struck -- streak. thisy do you think announcement of carly fiorina as running mate and a strong ground organization throughout indiana, why has ted cruz been struggling over the last six or seven days? >> donald trump has been winning all of the states and has seen a little bit of consolidation among republicans who have been for a long time unwilling to stand behind donald trump. in the last week, to house committee chairman and/or rest donald trump. not major players in washington, but they are players and it is a sign that to members of congress, presented a choice between ted cruz on donald trump, some of them are choosing donald trump. and because a lot of them had run-ends with ted cruz, especially in the senate, i am not sure if it is about indiana per se, but it is against --
about this growing sense of inevitability about donald trump after he has declared himself the presumptive nominee. he has to win these delegates, he has to win over ted cruz in indiana, and in california. it for ted cruz it is swimming upstream. >> it does come to delegates. you were reporting the republican party has canceled the controversial plan on a slate of delegates and their committee assignments. what of you learned? >> this is the arcane stuff nobody pays attention to usually but because we could have potentially a contested convention, what committee that delegates drawn. the rules committee which sets the roles, the credentialing committee, which sets the credentials allowed in and out of the convention, these could be slots. the chairwoman has been pretty outspoken is not a trump fan put together a slate and said, here
is our slate for who has the committee spots. on the slate are zero people who are trump delegates. that is notable because he is 11 of the 22 delegates there. the trump people through their arms up, complaint, said the process was not right, was not transparent. she pulled back today right on the roads were going to be counted and said, you know what? we will have an in-person meeting and debated on friday. ask we will look for you at politico.com. thank you for being with us. >> ahead of the indiana primary results, we will have campaign stops with the democratic candidates. jobsry clinton speaks on and the economy in athens, ohio. we will join the event at jackie o's brewery and tech room live at 1:45 p.m. eastern on c-span.
bring you senator bernie sanders at a campaign rally and louisville, kentucky. ate from what affront are 7:30 p.m. eastern also here on c-span. following that, live coverage of the indiana primary results. >> during campaign 2016, c-span takes on the road to the white house as we follow the candidates on c-span, c-span radio, and c-span.org. >> republican presidential candidate senator ted cruz spoke to supporters at a rally in indianapolis. he was joined by his running mate carly fiorina at the fairgrounds. it is just under one hour. carly fiorina: hello, hoosiers!
hello hoosiers! thank you. crowd: [chanting carly] carly fiorina: you know, glenn is absolutely right. the people of the hoosier state have a really important role tomorrow and a really important choice tomorrow. day really important choice tomorrow which is going to reverberate all across this nation. i know you all are here because you already know the right thing to do. so one of the things i would like to do today is help you go tonight and tomorrow and convince some people who of may -- who may have not figured out the right thing to do get. this election is about so much more than ted cruz and carly fiorina.
in fact, it is not just the crew siphon carly fight. it is all of our fight. this is a fight, folks, for the soul of our party and the future of our nation and we need every single one of you signed up to be warriors in this fight with us. to give you some ammunition. ok? i want to start by telling you about the man i have come to know. glenn is right. i did not know ted cruz personally. believed andat he what he had done. and i think you know someone through the pattern of their life. looking at i knew, the pattern of his life, this is a man who is grounded in eighth. rounded in the constitution. thehe stood up against system. but i did not really know him. i had not met him.
the truth is, when i voted for him, i suspended my own presidential campaign because there was to victory for me. in i believe once you do not have a path to victory your duty is to get in and tell a fellow conservative who can win. [applause] carly fiorina: honestly, i wish john kasich would get some ammo. really, governor kasich, you cannot lose 49 out of 50 times and get the nomination. by the way, tell your friends if any of them are thinking about voting for john kasich, a buffer john kasich is a vote for donald trump. it is a big copout. you have a real choice here. i went to the voting booths and might your husband frank up 32 years said to me as he walked to the budding this comic he says, i am putting for you, honey. well, ok, he is my has an. you know? and i went in the budding with and i looked at that ballot and
my own name was on the ballot and that is kind of a thrill, i have to tell you. and i have to be honest and say from him and i pause because ice -- because i thought of all of our supporters. the people worked so hard. and i thought, why did i run? asaid i thought for constitutional conservative and i am fighting for someone who knows this is a fight and who will be a fearless warrior on our behalf and i checked that box for ted cruz. and then and only then did i sit down and have a conversation with him. i had met him behind stage at the debate but those are not exactly social gatherings. we sat down for an hour and i wanted to help. since that