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tv   President Obama to Deliver Remarks in Flint Michigan  CSPAN  May 5, 2016 2:40am-3:44am EDT

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brenda lawrence is here. john conyers is here. and sandy levin is here. an outstanding michigan delegation. we've got secretary sylvia burwell, who is the head of health and human services, works for me. and administrator gina mccarthy is here as well. i want to thank the superintendent and the principal for their hospitality, and i want to thank all of you for being here. now, not too long ago, i received a letter from a young lady, an eight-year-old girl named mari copeny. you may know her as "little miss flint."
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those of you who have seats, please feel free to sit down so folks can see behind you. if you don't have a seat, don't sit down. and like a lot of you, mari has been worried about what happened here in flint. she's worried about what it means for children like her. she's worried about the future of this city and this community. so, in the middle of a tragedy that should have never have happened here in the united states of america, the denial of something as basic as clean, safe, drinking water, this eight-year-old girl spoke out and marched, and like many of you, protested. and as mari was getting ready to hop on a bus to washington, she
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wrote to ask if she could meet with me while she was in town. there she is. [applause] pres. obama: now, i would've been happy to meet mari in washington, but when something like this happens, a young girl should not have to go to washington to be heard. i thought, her president should come to flint to meet with her. [applause] and that is why i am here, to tell you directly that i see you and i hear you, and i want to hear directly from you about how this public health crisis has disrupted your lives,
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how it has made you angry, how it has made you worried. and i just had a chance to meet with a few of your neighbors in a roundtable discussion. and i heard from them what i know a lot of you are feeling. that a lot of you are scared. that all of you feel let down. and i told them that i understood why you would be afraid. not just for yourself, but for your kids. i also wanted to come here, though, to tell you that i've got your back. [applause] pres. obama: that we are paying attention. i have met and heard from those leading the federal response,
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working hard to make sure that flint is whole again, and this proud city bounces back not to where it was, but stronger than ever. i what you to know that i am confident flint will come back. [applause] pres. obama: i will not rest, and i will make sure of the leaders at every level of government, that every drop of water that flows into your home is safe to drink, cook with, and safe to bathe in. because that is part of the basic responsibilities of a government in the united states of america. [applause] as president, i have sent flint the best
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resources our federal government has to support of state and local partners. the agencies that serve you. the agencies that specialize in health and housing, and support small businesses, and our kids' educations. those that are responsible for the foods are children eat, and of course the water we drink. everybody is on duty. the national guard is on duty. this is a hands on deck situation, all hands on deck. because if there is a child who feels neglected on the north side of flint, or a family on the east side of this city that wonders whether they should give up on their hometown and move away, or an immigrant who wonders whether america means what we say about being a place where we take care of our own, that matters to all of us. not just in flint, not just to michigan, but all across america.
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flint's recovery is everyone's responsibility. and i will make sure that responsibility is met. [applause] pres. obama: i just talked with a team of responders on the ground to make sure they are coordinated. and they are doing some incredible things. they are distributed enough water to fill more than three olympic sized swimming pools, they've distributed thousands of filters, they're helping students afford nutritious foods, and work against the contaminants in water. they're making sure new moms have access to instant infant formula which does not require water. they've expanded health services for children and pregnant women, and education programs for flint's youngest children. they're out there testing people for exposure to lead. but like all our best responses in tough times, this is not a government effort alone. we need our businesses and nonprofits and philanthropists
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to step up. and what is incredible about flint is how many volunteers have already been leading the way. [applause] pres. obama: we had members of ua 370, that have donated tens of thousands of dollars and tens and thousands of hours of their time. they have installed faucets and filters night and day. they are not asking for anything in return, they are just doing the right thing. so many americans here in flint and around the country have proven that you don't have to be a plumber or pipefitter to help. although it is helpful. [laughter] pres. obama: the red cross has been nasty people to recycle all the plastic water bottles that have been piling up.
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--ll it is and community religious and community religious groups have been supporting families, offering free medical services. the director of a local dance studio found a creative way to help. she is allowing people to use her studio as a space to support one another by sharing their stories and realizing they are not alone. even inmates at an indiana prison came together to donate more than $2500 to the people of flint. [applause] pres. obama: and a second grader from virginia, a young man named isaiah, set up a website to see if he could raise $500 for hand sanitizers to send to the kids at eisenhower elementary here in flint. [applause]
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pres. obama: so isaiah, it is fair to say he surpassed his goal because he raised $15,000. [applause] pres. obama: he explained that the experience taught him that just because you're small, it does not mean you can't do big things. so, when you think about those stories, it should be clear that the american people care about flint. the american people are paying attention, and they care about you. and as is true when disaster strikes in other ways, people pitch in, they come together. because they imagine, alright, that could have been me. that's the good news. the bad news is that this should not have happened in the first
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place. [applause] and even though the scope of the response looks like the efforts we are used to seeing after a natural disaster, that is not what this was. this was a man-made disaster. this was avoidable, this was preventable. now, i am not here to go through the full history of what happened. like a lot of manufacturing towns, flint's economy has been taking hits for decades now. plants closing, jobs moving away, manufacturing has shrunk. and that has made it harder for the city to maintain city services.
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and let's face it, government officials at every level were not attentive to potential problems the way they should have been. so they started getting shortstaffed, they started getting a shrinking tax base, more demand for services, things start getting strained. and there is not enough help from the outside. and then when flint's finances collapse, an emergency manager was put in place whose mandate was primarily to cut at all costs. and then some very poor decisions were made. all these things contributed to this crisis. many of you know the story. now, i do not believe that
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anybody consciously wanted to hurt the people of flint. and this is not the place to sort out every screwup that resulted in contaminated water. but i do think there is a larger issue that we have to acknowledge. because i do think part of what contributed to this crisis, was a broader mindset, a bigger attitude, a corrosive attitude, that exists in our politics, and exists in too many levels of our government. [applause] pres. obama: and it is a mindset that believes that less government is the highest good, no matter what. it is a mindset that says,
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environmental rules designed to keep your water clean or your air clean, are optional, or not that important. or, unnecessarily burden businesses or taxpayers. it is an ideology that undervalues the common good. says we are all on our own, and what is in it for me? how do i do well? i am not going to invest in what we need is a community. and as a consequence, you see underinvestment in the things that we all share and make us safe, that makes us whole, they gives us the ability to pursue our own individual dreams.
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so, we underinvest in pipes underground. we underinvest in bridges that we drive on and the roads that connect us in the schools the at move us forward. [applause] this is part of the attitude, this is part of the mindset. we especially underinvest when a community is put at risk is poor, and does not have a lot of political clout, and so, are not as often heard in the corridors of power. this kind of thinking, this myth, that government is always the enemy, that forgets that our government is us.
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it is an extension of us, ourselves. that attitude is as corrosive to our democracy as the stuff that results in lead in your water. because it leads to systemic neglect. it leads to carelessness and callousness. [applause] pres. obama: it leads to a lot of the hidden disasters that you don't always read about, and are not as flashy. but that over time, diminish the life of a community, and make it harder for our young people to succeed. in one of the round tables, i was listening to somebody, i think it was a pastor, they told me, it made me feel like we did not count.
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and you can't have a democracy where people feel like they don't count. where people feel like they are not heard. and that attitude ignores how this country was built. our entire history, which is based on the idea that we are all connected, and that what happens in a community like flint matters to everybody. and there are things we can only do to as a nation, as a people, as a city, that no man is an island. you know, we have been debating this since the republic began, what our public responsibilities and what our collective
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responsibilities? that is a good debate. but i voice believed what the first republican president, a guy named abraham lincoln, said. he said we should do individually those things we do best by ourselves, but through our government we should do together what we cannot do as well for ourselves. [applause] so, it does not matter how hard you work, how responsible you are, how well you raise your kids, you cannot set up a whole water system for a city. that is not something you do by yourself, you do it with other people. you cannot hire your own fire department, or your own police force, or your own army. there are things we have to do together, basic things we all benefit from. and that is how we invested in a rail system and a highway system, that is how we invested in public schools.
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that is how we invested in science and research. that is how we invested in community colleges, like those in michigan state. [applause] we invest -- can i get some water? [laughter] [applause] pres. obama: come on up here, give me some water. i want a glass of water. i want a glass of water. i'm all right. i'm going to get a glass of water, right here. let's make sure we find one. it will be filtered.
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hang on, i will talk about that in a second. settle down, everybody. where was i? we invested in our community, and our cities, and by making those investments in the common good, we invested in ourselves. that is the platform we create that allows each of us independently to succeed, that is what made america great. to the people in flint, and across michigan, and around the country, individuals and church groups, and non-for-profits and community organizations, you have proven that the american people will step up when required.
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our volunteers and not for profits of the lifeblood of our community, we so appreciate what you do. [applause] but, volunteers don't build leaching into our drinking glasses. we cannot rely on faith groups to reinforce bridges and repaved runways at the airport. we cannot ask second graders, even ones as patriotic as isaiah , who raise all of that money, to raise enough money to keep our kids healthy. you hear a lot about government overreach. obama, he is for big government. listen, it is not government overreach to say our government is responsible to make sure you can wash your hands in your own , or shower in your own home, or cook for your family. [applause] these are the most basic services.
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there is no more basic element to sustaining human life than water. it is not too much to expect for all americans that their water will be safe. now, where do we go from here? i am still waiting for my water. [laughter] somebody obviously did not hear me. usually, i get my water pretty quick. [laughter] hold on a second. the reason i know i am ok is because i already had some flint water. here we go. thank you, i really did need a glass of water, this is not a stunt.
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now, i will talk about this. everybody settle down, this is a feisty crowd. hold on a second. everybody settle down, i have some serious points to make here. where do we go from here? mayor weaver has a plan to fix the pipes in flint. unfortunately, because the states initially cut so many corners, it will end up being much more expensive now than it would have been to avert the disaster in the first place. but, the good news is, michigan does have the funds they can use from the federal government to help flint. [applause] the governor indicated that in his budget, he has put forward additional funds to replace the pipes, in order for it to happen, and i said this to the mayor and the governor, i have them both in my car, the beast.
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[laughter] i told them i would not let either of them out until we figured it out. had secret service surrounding everybody. [applause] but, what i said was, the city and the state and the federal government everybody will have , to work together to get this done. it is not going to happen overnight, but we have to get started. we have to get the money flowing. we have to work with our plumbers and pipefitters and also train local residents, and start getting apprenticeship programs going, so even as we are trying to deal with this the disaster, where also lifting people up and giving an , opportunity for employment. [applause]
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congress, led by your congressional delegations needed to operate in bipartisan fashion, do their job, make sure flint has the necessary resources. and so, it is long past time that flint has a water system that is a well-managed, and protects not just against lead, but other contaminants. that is our goal, one goal. we have to do more than just ensure the integrity and safety of your water for the long-term, what we also have to do as work as one team -- federal, state, local, democrats, and republicans, to address some of the broader issues that have been raised by this crisis. the federal officials i met with today are committed to staying on the job until we get it done.
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[applause] but, that requires the state of michigan to step up and be fully invested in this problem as -- process as well. [applause] today's vote in lansing to increase funding for health care was a good start, but part of keeping the faith with the people of flint is making sure your first in line for the jobs this effort will create. it means that since the state voted this afternoon to expand medicaid every child that lives in flint, while the water was bad, needs to be able to get seen by a doctor, diagnosed, make sure there is follow-up. we cannot just promise, we have to deliver. that means everyone has to cooperate. everyone has to cooperate. keeping the faith with you means the state also has to step up and deliver the resources that will help, not only fix the
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water, but transform flint so that it is once again a functioning city with the capacity and the democratic structures to work. the city government has to be on a firm foundation. the mayor cannot do it by herself, she has to have a team and a staff, and there has to be a budget that works. that is sustainable and a plan for long-term economic development. a plan to make sure health care is available to all of our kids. a plan to make sure that education is top-notch and more jobs are created. [applause] that will require many more of the good work we have seen from citizens and community groups who care about your families. it is not enough just to fix the water, we have to fix the culture of neglect. the mindset i was talking about. [applause] it has degraded too many schools
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and too many roads, we have heard too many -- and hurt too many features -- futures. we have to fix the mindset that only these people cynical about our government. our government is us, of us by , us, for us, the people. we have a lot of work to do. but i am here to tell you, i am prepared to work with you on this. [applause] i am paying attention. a couple of specific things i want to address. these are not in my prepared remarks, but what i gather from the conversations that i had. i am in flint right now, not detroit. [cheering] but i do love detroit, and their schools need support. some of that same mindset has
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there.e schools their -- listen, this is drawn from the conversations i had for many of your neighbors and friends, as well as the federal response teams i sent out here a while back. we are going to do everything we can to accelerate eating new pipes -- getting a new pipes here in flint. but, even with all the money , even with an efficient, speeded up process, it will take a while for all the pipes to be replaced. it won't happen next month or six months from now, where all the pipes will be replaced. we have to get started, and you need to see that it is getting started, and progress is being made. but it won't happen overnight.
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even if we get all the plumbers and pipefitters, even if we do all that, it is going to take some time. and so, one of the things i heard, talking to a lot of your neighbors is it is just rough , trying to figure out how to get bottled water on the way home from work, and you are trying to just shower real quick, and people are still concerned about whether -- what is safe, and what information is correct, and what is not. i do want to just tell you what i know. based on not just what i have been reading in the papers but , what our top scientists have told me. that, while you are
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waiting for your pipes to be replaced, you need to have a filter installed. use that filter. if you do use the filter, then the water is safe to consume for six,ren over the age of and who are not pregnant. hold on. don't start shouting. this is the problem. we have to solve this problem. if people don't listen to each other, it will not get fixed. [applause] you -- and ing promise, i am really good it stirring folks up. if i want to just come here and stir folks up, i know how to do that. that will not actually solve the problem.
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i'm telling you what i know. that the guarantee you , ifntist who worked for me they tell me something, which i am saying in front of all of those cameras, and it turns out to be wrong, that person will not have a job. [applause] so although i understand the fear and concern that people have, and it is entirely legitimate. what the science tells us at this stage is you should not drink any of the water that is not filtered, but if you get the filter and use it properly, that water can be consumed. that is point number one. free.n get those filters
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people will help install them if you need help, particularly seniors who may have trouble going back and forth and trying to get a bunch of bottles of water and so forth. that is information that i trust and believe. that is point number one. point number two, every child in flint who may have consumed water during the course of this tragedy, and that is the overwhelming majority of children here, should get checked. now, the reason that is important is because lead is a serious issue, and if undiagnosed, and not dealt with it can lead to some , long-term problems. but, and this is really important, so i want everybody
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to pay attention -- if you know that your child may have been exposed, and you go to a health clinic, a doctor, a provider, and are working with them, then your child will be fine. and the reason i can say that with some confidence is not just based on science, but based on the fact that keep in mind it was not until the 1980's where we started banning lead in paint, lead in toys, lead in gasoline. so if you are my age -- or older, or maybe even a little bit younger, you got some lead in your system when you were
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growing up. you did. i'm sure somewhere when i was two years old, i was taking a chip of paint, tasting it, and i got some lead. or sometimes, toys were painted with lead, and you are chewing on them. -- were chewing on them. i say that not to make light of the situation. we know now what we did not know then, which is it can cause problems if children get exposed to lead at elevated levels. but the point is, that as long as kids are getting good health care, and folks are paying attention, and they are getting a good education, and they have community support, and they're getting some good home training,
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and they are in a community that is loving and nurturing and thriving, these kids will be fine. i don't want anybody to start thinking that somehow, all the kids in flint will have problems the rest of their lives, because that is not true. [applause] that is not true, and i don't want that stigma to be established in the minds of kids. we have learned a lot of things since i was a kid. i used to have adults blowing smoke in my face all the time. [laughter] we did not use seatbelts. we wrapped dry-cleaning bags around us, and thought it was fun. [laughter] folks did not know.
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but the reason i think this is important is because i heard from a lot of folks who were saying how moms and dads were feeling guilty, feeling sad, feeling depressed, oh lord, how is this going to affect my child. and it is right to be angry, but you cannot be passive. you can't just sit back and sink into despair. our kids will be fine, but you have to now take action. don't wait for somebody else to reach out and ask whether your child has gotten a checkup recently. we just expanded medicaid. go take your child to the doctor. [applause] use that health system.
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community organizations, churches, etc., one of the things we need to do, i have talked to the mayor about this, is set up a system of outreach, so that everybody as a village is looking out for every child. making sure they are getting checked out. making sure they have pediatric care. making sure they are being tested effectively. making sure they're getting nutritious food. just to give you an example, we know that if kids are getting vegetables and eating properly, that, just by itself will have some impact on any effects of lead. i know that here in flint, there are whole neighborhoods that do not have a supermarket. we will have to figure out how to get supermarkets in those communities, and in the meantime we have to help make sure the kids are getting the nutrition they need.
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-- toall of this dressed say you should be angry, but channel that anger. you should be hurt, but do not sink into despair. and most of all, do not somehow communicate to our children here in this city that they will be saddled with problems for the rest of their life, because they will not. they will just do fine, just like i did find with a single -- mom. a lot of you did fine growing up in a tough neighborhood. they will make it. as long as we are there for them and looking after them and doing the right things for them, and giving them the resources that they need. [applause] don't lose hope.
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[applause] don't lose hope. i talked longer than i was going to. but i feel strongly about this whole issue with kids, now. kids rise to the expectations we set for them. [applause] a lot of kids in flint already got some crosses they have to bare. they have people telling them, is too tough for you, because if you are black, or poor -- they will do fine. as long as we do right by them.
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and that is my intention. set high expectations for them. [applause] just a couple more points. what happened here is just an extreme example. an extreme and tragic case of what is happening in a lot of places around the country. we have seen unacceptably levels -- high levels of lead in townships along the jersey shore, and in north carolina's major cities, we have seen it in the capitals of south carolina and mississippi. and even, not long ago, lead -contaminated drinking water was found right down the street from the united states capital. so, flint is just the tip of the
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iceberg in terms of us reinvesting in our communities. just like we have seen bridges fall and levees break. we have got to break that mindset. these things are not a coincidence, they are the same mindset that led to flint's water being unsafe to drink. it is self destructive when we do not invest in our communities. a lot of times the people who are against government spending say that the private sector is the key. the private sector is the key for our economy, free market and free enterprise are great. the companies will not invest in a place where your infrastructure is crumbling and your roads are broken. [applause] you are not going to start a business or be able to recruit outstanding staff if there is no safe drinking water in the city.
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[applause] my hope is that this begins a national conversation about what we need to do to invest in future generations. it is no secret that on this pipeline of neglect, a lot of times it is the most poor folks who are left behind. it is working people who are left behind. we see it in communities across the midwest that have not recovered since plants shut down. we see it on inner-city corners, where they might be able to drink the water, but they can't find a job. we see it in the rural hills of appalachia. we have to break the mindset that says that that neighborhood
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over there, that is not my problem. those kids over there, they don't look like my kids exactly so i don't have to worry about them. out of sight, out of mind. we have to break that attitude that says, somehow, it is not -- somehow there is an us and them, but it is we, we are the american family, we have to look out for each other. [applause] the kids in flint are not "those kids" they are our kids. [applause] that is what scripture teaches us. i am not going to start preaching in front of some pastors. so, let me close by saying this. i know this has been a scary time. i know it is disappointing.
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you have been let down. but, there is a sermon about a phoenix rising from these ashes. and there is the opportunity out of this complete screwup, this painful tragedy, this neglect, this disappointment to actually pull together and make for a better future. sometimes it takes a crisis for everybody to focus their attention. there have been a lot of crises in flint, they were just not as loud and noisy and nobody noticed. [applause] there are a lot of small, quiet crises in the lives of people around this country. and this helps lift it up. it, and we
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understand it, we feel it, maybe we start making a connection with each other. and that begins to change our mindset, and improve our politics, and improve our government to make it more , responsible and more accountable. the good news is, that is the natural mindset of our young people. that is why i am so hopeful about the people of flint area that is why i am so hopeful about america in general. i meet young people all the time, and they have a mindset just like little miss flint here, who decides to write to the president to fix this. or the mindset of isaiah, raising $50,000 to help an elementary school where he has never been. -- $15,000 to help an elementary school where he has never been. that is america, that is who we are at our best.
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we are a nation of individuals, and we should be proud of everything we can accomplish on her own through -- our own through hard work and grits, and looking after our own families, and making sure we are raising our children right. but, we don't do these things alone. ultimately, our success is dependent on each other. our success is dependent on each other. i have had the privilege of being the president of the united states, a big office. an office that gives me enormous power and enormous responsibility, but the thing i have learned in that job, is that i cannot do it by myself. i can't fix every problem on my own.
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i need a mother-in-law that helps michelle and me raise our children. i need incredible staff who are carrying out our policies, to sign people up for health care. i have to have our incredible men and women in uniform who are willing to go overseas and fight on behalf of our freedom. [applause] i have got to have governors and mayors who are willing to work with me to get things done in their states and in their cities. and most of all, i need fellow citizens who share the values that built this great country and are willing to work , with me and work together to make it better. i said this before, the most important office in a democracy , it isoffice of citizens more important then president or
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senator, elinor, or mayor. it is the idea that each of us has something to contribute. each of us has something to get back. so flint, i am here, not just to say that i have your back. i am not here just to say that will get help. i am also here to say that you have power. i also here to say that you count. i am also here to say that you can make a difference and rebuild of this city better than ever. you will have a friend and partner in the president of united states. god bless you. god bless flint. god bless michigan. god bless the united states of america. [applause] ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
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>> rick snyder appeared at today's event to offer apologies for the city's contaminated water supply. attendees boot the governor during his remarks. the governor wasn't originally scheduled to speak at the event, but accepted president obama's invitation to address the assembled flint residents. youth that part of the event. -- years that are the event. gov. snyder: today is an opportunity for us to focus in on understanding that we need to work together.
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we have a short-term water crisis that needs to be repaired. we have a long-term issue about building a stronger city of flint to create job opportunities for everyone. i wanted to come here and tell you, you didn't create this problem, government failed you. i apologize, and i will work hard to fix that. we all need to work together, and so i would like to thank the president for coming here today. it is part of the process to say how we can all work together. i'm committed to working with the mayor, the city council, the neighborhood leaders, the pastors, and all of you, on strengthening flint. we need to work together with the county, and the federal government. i want to thank the president for sending outstanding people such as dr. laury.
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we're working hard on putting important programs in place. i want to thank you for coming here today. this is an important moment to show how we can work together to say, you deserve better, and bring that to the city of flint. thank you for the opportunity to come share a few thoughts, and i look forward to the president's comments and i thank him. >> [booing] both tv has 48 hours of nonfiction books and authors every weekend.
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this was possible, essentially. i mean, the government didn't think this is going to happen. the country certainly didn't think it was going to happen; they were ready to sell it for spare parts. certainly the american people have no expectation this would happen. that idea that he was a little crazy -- you have to be a little crazy to take this on, and he was the right kind of crazy. >> go to booktv.org for the complete we can schedule. voters go 23, british to the polls to decide whether or not they will leave the european union. prime minister david cameron is campaigning for continued membership in the io. at a hearing of the british liaison committee, he talked about the possible effects of that vote on the british economy of foreign relations. this is an hour and a. -- hour and a half. >> call to order.
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thank you very much >> order, order. initially reluctant but like you changed your mind. [laughter] always pleased to see you. you can come are often if you particularly want to. i do value the opportunity on this subject, we all do. we have a referendum coming. i would like to begin by quoting what you said in your cap now speech. he said if we cannot reach an agreement, the agreement you negotiated, if britain's concerns are met with deaf ears, you'll have to think again about whether this european union is right for us. eu without at renegotiated package right for us? mr. cameron: that is not the choice we have.
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that was the choice i was determined to avoid. i thought that would've been a bad choice. would we rather stay this organization that we think has failings that need to be addressed? i was determined to avoid a choice by having a negotiation -- >> in the absence of the renegotiation, we do have argued for leaving? mr. cameron: i never argued for leaving. i have spent my political life arguing -- i think were better off in a reformed europe. as prime minister i have a chance to deliver a reformed europe. i'm not saying that we have achieved solves all of your cozy problems. on many occasions it doesn't solve written problems of europe. it does address some of the key problems. he was a successful negotiation. if this organization had rebuffed one of its leading
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members and contributors and was not going to address these things, with that point we would have to say, is this really goes organization -- really an organization for us that his death to its members? >> i'm just asking what you meant by that, prime minister. i'm asking whether you would be arguing for withdrawal. mr. cameron: i haven't. in my political career i have not argued for leaving the eu. >> i am asking seeing that this is a hypothetical question -- mr. cameron: it is but we don't have a choice. we don't have a choice of leaving the eu. >> the current eu this is something we have to imagine we are in. the hypothetical question is what it will look like after renegotiation. i'm asking you a real question, not a hypothetical. which is with the current arrangements in the eu be so in his

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