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disintegration. we know that the geopolitical consequences of brexit may be very serious. maintaining the closest possible relations between the eu and the uk is in european and american interest. but it is equally important to send today a strong message to the whole world that brexit, as sad and meaningful as it is, is just an incident and not the beginning of a process. and to all our opponents, on the inside and out, who are hoping for a sequel to brexit, i want to say loud and clear, you won't see on the screen the words "to be continued." there's no good alternative to transatlantic cooperation. all those who value our
fundamental principles of freedom, the rule of law, democracy, human and civil rights must act in favor of this cooperation. this is the essence of our tie between america, known as the new world, and europe, known as the old continent. we know, however, that besides the old world and the new world, there's also a world apart, with different values and different strategic ends. and it has allies also in the usa, in europe, and here in poland. in public debates in washington, london, berlin, paris, and warsaw, we hear anti-democratic slogans more and more, calling for national egoism, isolationism, euroscepticism. it would be good if we clearly stated today that whoever turns
against america harms europe. whoever attacks the european union harms america. and whoever undermines the foundations of liberal democracy harms one and the other. we have been building liberal democracy with determination on both sides of the atlantic. we have followed the lessons of the same scholars. we have been inspired by the same political philosophies. we must now protect this heritage, both rich and, indeed, surprisingly fresh. what comes to my mind on this occasion is a quote by thomas jefferson, the third president of the united states of america
-- "in questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the constitution." thank you. >> good morning. i would like to express my sympathy to the president of the united states and to the people of this great nation for the tragic events which happened yesterday night in dallas, texas. these events, like others, are proving and showing that we are living in a world which is developing increasingly to more complexity and to more uncertainty. the threats to our security takes many forms, and they are not located in any one place. therefore, our first duty is to show unity and reaffirm the
values we share -- human rights, freedom, democracy, and the keystone on which the others rest -- the rule of law. they go to the core of the euro-atlantic alliance, and they make us who we are and they guarantee our way of life. the united states, nato, and the european union are central pillars of the global order. we complement each other, and together provide peace and stability in europe, our neighborhood, and beyond. our combined strengths remains formidable, but still, we can work more closely together, and that is why we are here today. we were discussing, in the course of this morning's meeting, the consequences entailed by the vote of the british people to leave the european union.
i would like to repeat here what we had said in brussels the other day -- that we cannot start negotiations until the british authorities will have notified, under the regime of article 50, their intention to leave the european union. but then we have to engage in negotiations. and i'm not doing this -- how can i say, a hostile mood -- i do think that even after the referendum, the european union and the united kingdom share a community of interests, not only in the defense and the military sector, but in all the relevant sectors of the international life -- mainly as far as trade is concerned. but if a country wants to have free access to the entire market, it's for sure that this country has to respect the four basic freedoms, including the one of the freedom of movement for workers.
but we'll have these negotiations with our british friends. and i do think that it's in our interest and in the global interest to keep britain as a strong ally anyway in nato and as a strong partner when it comes to the relations of this then third country with the european union. as time is running out, barack, i will stop here -- not without having said that we were discussing the t-tip issue and that we want to conclude these negotiations before the end of this year, mainly as far as the big blocks of this negotiation are concerned. you will ask the european council, i was asking leaders one after the other if yes or no, the european union should continue to negotiate, and we received once again the mandate to conclude these negotiations. thanks so much, also for what -- for your leadership during the last years. thank you, barack.
>> good afternoon. thank you for being here today. five police officers were shot and killed. several were injured along with two civilians as they sought to intect a peaceful protest dallas, texas. our thoughts and prayers goes to the families of those who've lost loved ones. the department of justice, including the f.b.i., a.t.f., the u.s. marshals service, and the u.s. attorneys' office, on the scene is working closely with our state and local counterparts and we intend to provide any assistance that we can to investigate this attack. and also to help heal a community that has been severely shaken and deeply scarred by an unfathomable tragedy. it is an unfold folding situation, we'll be providing additional information when it is available and appropriate. but more so, this has been a week of profound grief and heartbreaking loss.
the peaceful protests planned in dallas last night was organized in response to the tragic deaths of alton sterling louisiana and philando castile in minnesota. we're providing assistance to local authorities in minnesota who are leading the investigation there. today we are feeling the devastating loss of dallas area rapid transit officer brent thompson and four other fallen officers whose names remain unreleased and we await notification to all of the families. after the events of this week, americans across our country are feeling a sense of helplessness, of uncertainty and of fear. these feelings are understandable and they are justified. but the answer must not be violence. the answer is never violence. rather, the answer, our answer, all our answer must be action. calm, peaceful, collaborative and determined action.
we must continue working with every person in this country to give equal justice and you the law and we must take a hard look at the ease with which wrong doers can get their hands on deadly weapons and the frequency with which they use them. and we must reflect on the kind of country that we want to build and the kind of society that we are choosing to pass on. to our children. and above all, we must reject the easy impulses of bitterness and ranker and embrace the difficult work, but the important work, the vital work, of finding a path forward together. above everything, we must remind ourselves that we're all americans. and that as americans we share not just a common land, but a common life. not just common goals, but a
common heart and soul. and those we've lost this week have come from different backgrounds, different neighborhoods, but today they're mourned by officers, by residents, by family and friends, by men and women and children who loved them. who needed them and who will miss them always. they are mourned by all of us. to the families of all who have lost their lives in this series of tragedies, we share your pain and your loss. to our brothers and sisters who wear the badge, i want you to know that i am deeply grateful for the dangerous work you do every day to keep our streets safe and our nation secure. our hearts are broken by this loss. and the department of justice will do all that we can to support you in the days ahead. and to those who seek to improve our country through peaceful protests and protected speech, i want to you know that your voice is important. do not be discouraged by those who would use your lawful
actions as a cover for their heinous violence. we will continue to safeguard your constitutional rights and to work with you in the difficult mission of building a better nation and a brighter future. and to all americans, i ask you, i implore you, do not let this week precipitate a new normal in this country. i ask you to turn to each other, not against each other, as we move forward. let's support one another. let us help heal one another. and i urge you to remember, today and every day, that we are one nation, we are one people, and we stand together. may god bless the families and the loved ones of all who were taken from us this week and comfort their grief with his everlasting grace and may god bless the united states of. thank you -- united states of america. thank you. reporter: what do you use to explain the spike in police
murders? [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] >> washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you read coming up, john j will join us from new york to discuss the police shootings in dallas, texas. also, georgetown university law professor paul butler will talk about the police involved shooting deaths of black men. be sure to watch the washington journal live at seven eastern. join the discussion. capitollag of the u.s. is flying at half staff to honor those who lost their lives. the house began its session.
we saw several members speak about the tragedy from the house floor. awakens to more news of deadly violence around the country. fear of safety from such violence prevails in many places. fear of you, o lord, is the beginning of wisdom. bless the members of this people's house with such wisdom as they continue to work -- as they continue the work of this assembly, guide them to grow in understanding in attaining solutions to our nation's needs. bless those as well charged with protecting and serving our country. they, too, need wisdom and insight into the pressure ints of insecurity among our citizens. lord, have mercy.
may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory. men. the speaker pro tempore: the chair has examined the journal of the last day's proceedings and announces to the house his approval thereof. pursuant to clause 1 of rule 1, the journal stands approved. the pledge of allegiance today will be offered by the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. thompson. mr. thompson: i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will entertain up to five requests for one-minute speeches on each side of the aisle. for what purpose does the gentleman from wisconsin seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, -- the speaker: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: the speaker is recognized for one minute. we are all stunned
by the events last night in dallas. we are all outraged. an attack on the people who protect us is an attack on all of us. our hearts are with the dallas police department. our hearts are with the victims , and especially with their loved ones. they wear the badge too. i know that to be a cop's wife, to be a cop's husband is to prepare for the worst, but who could have fathom such horror as this? there's no cause or context in which this violence, this kind of terror is justified. none at all. there will be a temptation to let our anger harden our divisions. let's not let that happen. there's going to be a temptation to let our anger send us further into our
corners. let's not let that happen. that script is just too easy to write. it's too predictable. let's defy those predictions. a few perpetrators of evil do not represent us. hey do not control us. blame those who committed these vicious attacks and no one else. and as the president rightfully said, justice will be done. we also have to let the healing be done as well. this has been a long week for our country. it's been a long month for america. we have seen terrible, terrible, senseless things. every member of this body, every republican and every democrat wants to see less gun violence. every member of this body wants
a world in which people feel safe regardless of the color of their skin. that's not how people are feeling these days. sometimes we disagree on how to get there. sometimes we disagree passionately on how to get there, but in having this debate, let's not lose sight of the values that unite us. let's not lose sight in our common humanity. the values that brought those protesters to the streets in dallas, the values that brought those protesters to the streets in washington last night -- respect, decency, compassion, humanity. if we lose those fundamental things, what's left? we need to take a moment here for reflection, for thought, for prayer, for justice, for action. right now, let's let justice be done and let's also let some
healing occur too. i yield. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. for what purpose does the gentlelady from california seek recognition? ms. pelosi: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. ms. pelosi: thank you, mr. speaker. the ambush and murder of police officers during a peaceful protest is a tragedy that tears it at the heart of every american. i agree with the speaker that this -- episodes like this must not harden our divisions but should unify us as a country. we are all horrified by this despicable act of violence and we share in the shock and grief for the officers killed, their loved ones and the entire dallas community. when these officers left their homes earlier in the day,
there's always the chance that they would be in danger. right now we don't even know the names of all of them. the names have not yet been released, but i do want to acknowledge dart officers brett thompson and those names yet to be released as well as those who were wounded, including one civilian. many questions have yet to be answered, but whatever the motivation of the perpetrators of this horrible crime, it is clear that those perpetrators of this vial act have an agenda of evil. the past few days have seen too much death and too much heartbreak. as martin luther king wrote, darkness cannot drive out darkness. only light can do that. hate cannot drive out hate. only love can do that. and that, of course, reminds me of our glorious song of saint
francis which is the anthem of my city of san francisco that i call upon now. saint francis, appeal to the lord. make me an instrument of thy peace. where there is darkness may i bring light. where there is despair, may i bring hope. i associate myself with the remarks of the speaker when he referenced our president. justice will be done. justice must be done. we must also mercy must be done. and as we do that, as we seek mercy and justice, i also want to reference a remark of the mayor of dallas when he said we st get to the root causes of what happened last night. and in that spirit, i want to also acknowledge alton sterling in baton rouge and philando castile. we have to get the facts and to the root causes of what caused these tragedies.
in the spirit of martin luther king and of saint francis, we must continue to work of nonviolence and demand an end to senseless killing everywhere. we must do so while sharing our common values, our safe in the dignity and worth of every person, the spark of divinity hat lives in all of them and our tremendous, tremendous grief in the loss of life. just in particular for the families of the police officers, thank you. thank you for sharing your loved ones with us. we pray that it is a comfort to you that so many people mourn your loss and are praying for onute. mr. cleaver: mr. speaker, sometimes, not all the time,
but sometimes out of chaos we can find our purpose. t is going to be my prayer this night and for the next few nights that this body can see clearly that our purpose is to lead our nation away from the edge of the mayor's nest of fear and a response to fear that creates even more fear. we do so by understanding that words matter. words matter. they can do damage. i grew up in public housing in texas right outside of dallas, texas, and in the projects they would say, sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me. wasn't true when i was a boy and it isn't true today.
words can hurt. words can horrify. words can hinder. words can also heal, and one of the things we need more today than we have in the immediate past are words of healing instead of words of hate. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? without objection, the gentleman from california is recognized for one minute. mr. lamalfa: mr. speaker, i rise today with deep sadness at the horrific spectacle that took place las night in dallas where members of the dallas police and dallas rapid transit system were singled out with terrorist activity during what had been a civil protest ironically about officers themselves. they stood in the gap, even keeping order as their fellow officers were falling, as they
were being protested previously in the march over recent tragic events that happened elsewhere in our nation. as the sniper shots rang out, as they saw their brothers falling, these dallas officers still responded to their internal call to duty, to protect not themselves but the innocent demonstrators that were also in that line of fire. mr. speaker, time and again, the american police force has showed their commitment to all lives and will continue to do so. like any government agency, they need to be accountable when they do bad also, but we know the vast number of contacts with police and all lives of americans are for the positive and the well-being of their security. john 15:13, greater love has no man than this as he lay down his life for his friends. now, five officers' lives have been taken in the line of duty have shown that greater love. our country uplifted god these five lives lost, those injured are still in medical peril, their families and loved ones who suffer beside them for
comfort and healing. we're more indebted to them than we can ever express. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? . the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california may seek his own one minute and yield on his feet. mr. honda: thank you, mr. chairman. i would like to yield my one minute to mr. cleaver. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. cleaver: thank you, mr. honda. thank you, mr. speaker. when a nation experiences a tragedy like the one we have just witnessed, it can either weaponize, ize, and fragmi advertise -- frag ma advertise or it can harmonize and mobilize. the house of representatives of the united states must choose
the latter. when reason fails as it sometimes does, in my world it's time to pray. we have multiple religious affiliations in this body, but all of us believe in something that would condemn any kind of violence, even verbal violence. the world is watching what we do. and we shouldn't waste time atching over our ideology. a little boy closed his finger in the door and began to cry. his name was bob. and he began to cry and cry and cry. his parents ran in and his other brother, billy, was also crying. and so the parents thought both of them were hurt. but when they looked at billy, they said you haven't been hurt. why are you crying? e said, i'm helping bob cry.
this whole nation is crying and those of us here remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman from california is recognized for one minute. >> mr. speaker, we mourn the loss of police officers in dallas and we pray for the recovery of those who are still in the hospital trying to heal. as the brother of two police officers and son of a police officer, this is every family member's worst nightmare to think that when you see them off to work that you may never see them come home. mr. swalwell: we stand here, this house, with the families. we think about sergeant scott lunger in hayward, california, who lost his life on july 22 last year. but it's also not inconsistent as we mourn the death of these police officers to also ask for ustice without delay for alton
sterling of louisiana, and -- castile. steal what's inconsistent is have a moment of silence and make a call of justice and then do nothing further in this chamber, the one place in the world where we can make the greatest difference to reduce gun violence. so i hope this house answers that call and does not stand silent any further but actually recognizes why we're here. to keep the public safe and to act. with that i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman from texas is recognized for one minute. mr. barton: mr. speaker, the entire nation is aghast and shock and in mourning about what happened in dallas, texas, last evening. one of the officers that was killed, an officer named brent thompson, he's a constituent of
corsicana, texas, he's 43, or was 43 years old. he had just gotten married two weeks earlier. he was a dallas area rapid transit officer, a dart officer targeted, in hot, cold blood, by apparently an ganized effort to target police officers, perhaps even angelo police officers, in dallas. we need to pray for his family, and we also need to take a look at our society and make a decision that those who defend , admire, ld respect
and support. our prayers go out to officer thompson's family. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from michigan seek recognition? >> unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman from michigan is recognized for one minute. mr. kildee: mr. speaker, my heart breaks as does the hearts of my colleagues with the terrible tragedy that took place last night and for the victims of the horrific violence that we have seen in the last few days and weeks. we're better than this. we can do better than this. and in this body we recognition? ms. johnson: i ask for a minute of remarks. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. ms. johnson: let me thank my colleagues from texas for joining me. the calculated ambush and murders of the dallas law
enforcement officers during a peaceful protest in downtown dallas last night was a disgraceful act of violence. it happened in my district. i live less than five blocks away. my prayers and sympathy go out to the families of the officers slain and the victims of the shooting. our response going forward, not just in dallas but across our nation will be more important now than ever before. my thoughts and prayers are also with the families of alton castile and philando who also lost their live this is week as well. we must de-escalate violence. this is a stark reminder that relations between law enforcement and the communities they serve remain extremely tense. we must do everything we cannot to inflame this tension even further. we need to recognize the root cause of this tension and work
to end the divisiveness between law enforcement and citizens. i do also want to commend the dallas police department. the dallas police chief, david brown, a constituent and someone i work with very closely in the llas area rapid transit work closely for their brave and swift response to the shooting. these officers are among some of the most capable and professional law enforcement officers in the country and i commend them for their bravery during this incident. . mr. speaker, i ask not just for
a moment of silence, but also for firm action. we need to bring meaningful legislation to the floor that will help bridge the divide between law enforcement and communities. >> i rise today as a proud and sad citizen of dallas, texas. i'm so proud of the thin blue line that keep all our citizens safe, including my wife, my son, my daughter. mr. hensarling: and so sad for the fallen, their family, their sons, their daughters, their spouses. it is a time of mourning. it is a time of prayer. but it is also a time of justice. swift and sure justice. for anyone who engaged in this act of evil. mr. speaker, it's also time for healing. it is a time to remember martin luther king's dream which should
be america's dream that one diour children will grow up to be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. so i dream also that one day we may decide that it is not a controversial statement to say that all lives matter. because it's not a time for us, it is not a time for them. it is only a time for we, the people, to treasure all life and respecting the dignity of all of god's children. it's time to look into our hearts and ask the fundamental question, today, will i promote a color conscious society or will i promote a color blind society? today, will i exploit the wound or today will i tempt to heal the wound? may the god who gave us life and liberty heal the wounded of our nation. to heal the wounded of the city of dallas. to lift up the families of the fallen and to bless our land
with greater peace and greater understanding. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what purpose does the gentleman from maryland seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to speak out of order for one minute. the speaker pro tempore: without objection the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. hoyer: mr. speaker, all of us were deeply shocked and heart broken to learn of the assassination of five police officers in dallas last night. nothing can ever justify the cold-blooded murder of those who have sworn to protect and serve. such an act does nothing to bring back those who were killed by police in previous days. killings that also shocked the conscience of our country. violence only begets violence.
not justice. the killings of alton sterling and philando castillo at the hands of law enforcement officers were horrifying and unacceptable. their families deserve a full investigation and for justice to be served. just as those five fallen officers deserve justice. justice for all. those officers who were shot in dallas and their families deserve that. as we mourn, we remember that the way we bend the arc of the moral universe toward justice is by bending it together. in the days ahead, let us focus on what unites us and on our shared determination to see justice prevail. black believes matter -- black
lives matter. law enforcement officers' lives matter. justice matters. life matters. ms. jackson lee: mr. speaker, as a resident of texas, representing parts of houston, texas, which includes the headquarters of the houston police department, the nation's heart is heavy and saddened. our hearts and prayers go out to the people of dallas, the families who have lost their fallen heroes. we respect all of those who are on front lines, allowing the american people to protest. we understand the young people who were of many colors and
backgrounds, who felt compelled to protest the loss of life of two individuals. the law enforcement officers respected that too. they understood the pain of mr. castile and mr. sterling's deaths. always in america we have been able to come as protesters under the constitution, but we recognize that "law and order" -- law and order is the standard of this nation. as i pray for these families, i ask that congresspersons rise to the level of leaders and leadership, to seek out unity. as i just spoke to the head of my police department, i extended my hand, to be able to work together with community and police, to bring us together. because that is why we are a great nation. and houston on sunday will march and mourn for those fallen. but we'll be praying for nonviolence in this nation.
what i will say, mr. speaker, is that the words that are ugly of those who want to divide us, i will not hear them, i will not listen to them. i will only embrace and bring us together and i will tell the young people whose faces i saw last evening in washington, who were a ray of mosaic colors and backgrounds and religions that we love you, we thank you for this protest of nonviolence, and we will stand against violent gun behavior and it is of thugs and terrorists, not of americans who want unity and respect for all, and human dignity. i yield back, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back the balance of her time. are there nur any further one minutes? -- are there any further one minutes? for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> to address the house for one minute, to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. green: thank you, mr. speaker.
mr. speaker, that which has occurred in dallas, texas, to the term eaning in the line of duty. there are of duty husbands who will not return home. in the line of duty, peace officers will not return home. i don't know the gender of all of them. and want to make sure that i cover all of them. let me just say, in the line of duty, there are peace officers who will not return home. those husbands and wives and children had every reason to believe that their loved ones would return home. they're in pain. we i want them to know that
suffer together. all of us in this country suffer whenever any one of us is taken by violence. innocent people in this country are suffering. people of goodwill are suffering. families are suffering. and my prayer is that out of this adversity we can build a unity that will afford us the opportunity to develop the harmony necessary for the people of the greatest nation in the world to live together. we have to span these chasms that divide us and forgiveness is in order. we must also make sure that justice is done. all who are associated with the dastardly deeds that occurred with reference to dallas must be arrested, convicted, must be prosecuted to the fullest
extent that the law allows. there can be no exceptions. their time has come now for those who are suffering to receive our prayers and our sympathies and i regret that in the line of duty has taken on a >> the congressional black caucus held a news conference that called on fellow lawmakers to pass legislation aimed at reducing gun violence and the use of fatal force by police. after five dallas police mentioning of the targeting of law enforcement officials in dallas. this is 50 minutes.
mr. butterfield: good morning to all of you and thank you for coming on short notice, but this is an important day, and we need your coverage and need your attention and need for you to tell our story to the american people. i am g.k. butterfield. i chair the 45-member congressional black caucus. collectively, we represent 30 million people in america. over half of whom are african-americans. and we come to this place each week to represent our constituents who are in pain. as of june 30, just a few days ago, 491 americans have been fatally shot by police. most of those were african-american. at this same point last year, 465 were killed by police. last night despicable crimes
were committed against seven dallas police officers and when the dust settled, five of them were dead as a result of an organized execution by criminals, who possessed guns and used them to the extreme. and so, the congressional black caucus convenes today to say to america that we are continuing our fight to remove guns from the hands of would-be terrorists and criminals and require background checks for those seeking to purchase firearms. we need legislative action now. we don't need to leave the hill this week or any week without assuring the american people that we understand the problem of police misconduct in america. we understand the murders of innocent black americans. we get it. we understand the problems faced by our law enforcement officers. and i don't want to diminish that in this conversation today. we understand the problems faced by law enforcement officers,
most of whom put on the uniform every day and serve and protect our communities. republicans, what on earth -- why are you calling and not giving us a debate on gun violence? give us a hearing, give us a debate, give us an up or down vote legislation on gun violence. last night on the floor, we were advised that several hundred protestors were en route to the capitol demonstrating and exercising their first amendment rights by demanding that we, as elected officials, protect their sons and daughters and their grandsons and granddaughters, their brothers and their sisters. at 10:00 p.m., the congressional black caucus, along with other members from other caucuses, went outside the capitol and we met the demonstrators and spoke to them and we embraced them and
helped lead their march to the white house. they told us with clarity that black lives matter, that the movement is serious, it is organized and they demand legislative action now. and that we don't leave this place until it's done. i applaud -- we applaud the demonstrators last night for telling us that the deaths in baton rouge and in minnesota give them the energy and determination they need to pull off the band-aid of the disdain of irresponsible police killings in america. the two acts of murder that we also sadly know must be addressed by law enforcement. it must be addressed by the congress of the united states. if we fail to act, this will be a long hot summer. in the rally last evening, a
young lady held up a sign that read i wept more last night than i slept, end of quote. colleagues america is weeping. , they are angry. they are frustrated and congress and when i say congress, i mean the republicans in congress are refusing to address gun violence in america that targets black men and black women and hispanic men and hispanic women and yes, even police officers. the congressional black caucus is frustrated. you want to say we're mad? we're mad. we are determined to take our advocacy now to a higher level. this is our responsibility to our constituents and we thank you for covering us today. we ain't going to let nobody turn us around. thank you so very much. at this time, it is my honor to yield to the dean of the u.s.
house of representatives, not the dean of the democrats, the dean of the u.s. house of representatives, the ranking member of the committee on judiciary, the honorable john conyers. mr. conyers: thank you, mr. chairman. we are all here with a heavy heart and some growing anger about the process that is going on here in the congress. as i said before and i'll say it again, we need to adopt gun violence prevention legislation to expand background checks to all gun purchases and we need to reinstate a ban on the sale of military-style assault weapons. and at the same time, i also believe we need to take a comprehensive approach at
addressing the issue of building and strengthening trust between local police and their communities. i have dedicated a lot of my time in congress to policing issues, to gun violence prevention, introducing legislation, chairing town hall meetings across the country and meeting with the grieving families of both citizens and fallen officers alike. and as a part of the controversial 1994 crime bill, i was able to pass the federal pattern and practice of enforcement provision that allows the department of justice to investigate state and local police departments, mostly like -- most recently ferguson and baltimore,' for unconstitutional
practices. now i have introduced the law enforcement trust and integrity that would provide local incentives to local police organizations to voluntarily adopt performance-based standards to ensure the incidents of misconduct will be minimized through appropriate management training and oversight protocols. and now we're working on negotiating a new version law -- a new version of the law enforcement trust and integrity act to bring before our committee. however, like too many well intended efforts, we're stuck trying to push toward a finish, but negotiations are still going on. we have to be able to find agreement on major items, like
accreditation standards, best practices, body cameras and even data collection. the real challenge is now finding the support that will bring this bill forward in the committee. and so, we must begin to deal with these tragic shooting deaths of alton sterling and philando castile which could have been avoided and with better training particularly in detentions and use of force as addressed by accreditation standards and best practices provisions that are currently in negotiation. so out of respect for all who have lost their lives, both law enforcement and civilians, we must dedicate ourselves to engaging the difficult issues to
make lasting change in our communities and heal as a nation. we must debate and we must vote. that's what we're here for in the congress. thank you. mr. butterfield: thank you, congressman conyers. next is congresswoman sheila jackson lee from the 18th district of texas the ranking , member of the subcommittee on crime. ms. jackson lee: mr. chairman, i stand here today with members of the congressional black caucus, each of whom have hearts and minds. and i know that we will hear soon from congressman john lewis , under whom many of us were tutored along with the late dr. martin luther king. we are advocates of nonviolence. we are students of protests.
but we also as our hearts are broken, as i mourn with my fellow texans for the loss of five officers now have mourning them their family, children and community. they died in the line of duty. as members of the united states congress, i have watched my colleagues fight for justice and equal treatment for all. and they have cried over the bodies of those who have been lost in gun violence. and as we watch the protests that have gone on and those that will come, america should know that those protests were nonviolent. they were crying out for action. they were crying out in pain. but i never heard one person talk about an attack on law enforcement officers or undermining the laws of this
nation, for we are a nation of laws. you will find that the movement that many of us were involved in, the protest movement, the violence came towards us. we did not offer any violence. so today we stand here answering the call of leadership. each of these members will go home to their districts and will seek peace and understanding, but they will respond that there must be action. and so as we mourn the loss of those fallen last night in a criminal terrorist act of killing five officers, the largest since 9/11, we mourn mr. castile and mourn mr. sterling and we mourn all of those and we ask that the nation sees us as leaders of peace. we are asking the speaker of the house, and asking the majority
leader to now realize that an ar-15 does not discriminate. it finds itself in the hearts and the bodies of many that we love. and so we're calling on the passage of no fly, no buy. we are calling on the passage of closing the loophole but also calling on the passage of bringing together of police and community, the law enforcement and integrity act. we hope there will be round tables of discussions between police and community and we will be in the midst of those discussions calling upon peace and then finally let me say, we cannot do this without resources, resources for police, resources for young people in pain, resources for community. we are fighting for monies that are needed to bring our communities together. i'll join with congressman conyers on the judiciary
committee to fight for legislation that will respond to the needs of police and respond to the needs of community. my heart is broken and we will pray this weekend in houston, marching for peace, nonviolence and the action of the united states congress to take violent guns and violent people off the streets of this nation. mr. butterfield: thank you, congresswoman sheila jackson lee. the congressional black caucus is the conscience of the congress. the next speaker is the conscience of the congressional black caucus. the gentleman from from the 5th district of georgia, mr. lewis. mr. lewis: thank you very much, chairman butterfield. my wonderful sisters and
brothers of the congressional black caucus, we're like a family. we pray for our nation, for the people in louisiana, minnesota, for the police officers and the people in dallas. there isn't any room in our society for violence. as sheila jackson lee said, we respect law enforcement. these individuals were doing their job. in dallas. there needs to be greater training for law enforcement. and sometimes i feel that maybe
not only those of us that engage in nonviolent protests, but police officers need to be taught a way of peace, the way of love, the way of nonviolence, to respect the dignity in the -- and the worth of every human being. that's what we were taught. when we were arrested and jailed and beaten we didn't fight back. , and today, we -- we feel the pain, we feel the hurt for the people in baton rouge and in minnesota and dallas and all across our country that whatever we do, we must do it in an orderly, peaceful, nonviolent fashion.
to redeem the soul of america and bring us foge and what dr. -- bring us together and create what dr. king called the beloved community because we all live in the same house. and it doesn't matter whether we are black or white, latino, asian or native american. we are one people, we are one family, we are one house. we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. if not, we will perish as fools. we have too many guns. there's been too much violence. and we must act. thank you very much. mr. chairman. mr. butterfield: thank you, congressman john lewis. you led the way in 1963, and you
today.ding the way t thank you so very much. the next speaker, from louisiana, congressman cedric richmond. mr. richmond: i stand here speaking and i would have to say today, it's probably the angriest i have ever been while addressing the public and the media. and i share the anger of our young kids. when we look at this congress, we can do nothing but conclude that they are co-conspirators in the devaluation of the lives of men and women of color and that the systematic devaluation from mass incarceration, to the lack of investment in communities show that we have little faith , or concern about their future.
let me also say al green, congressman from texas, reminded coda,terday, dr. king's in the end, it will not be the words of your enemies that you remember, but the silence of your friends. and john lewis will tell you during the civil rights movement, one of the reasons we are so strong is that people of all walks of life came together to talk about injustice. well we are calling on our , friends from every community, from the human rights community to the jewish community, to the hispanic community, we're calling on all of our friends to join in this fight about injustice. and let me just say yesterday a
few of us joined together and those in judiciary, requested the chairman of judiciary to convene a hearing on the use of deadly force because we thought this country was at a tipping point where our young people are so angry and have not seen any action while their friends and family are mowed down in the street, that that frustration was at a tipping point. and we again today call upon speaker ryan, chairman goodlatte to convene an adult conversation about the use of deadly force, the need for ar-15's on our streets, the need for high-capacity magazines, no fly, no buy. but if this congress does not have the guts to lead, then we are responsible for all the bloodshed on the streets of
america, whether it be at the hands of people wearing a uniform or whether it's at the hands of criminals. we bear that responsibility if we don't act. so in closing, i will just say as the congressional black caucus, we stand here today in a lot of pain. we stand here today very angry. we stand here today with our hearts very heavy. but we stand here today with our resolve stronger than it has ever been that we can lead this country and have to show the leadership in this country to make this country that it should be and the country we want it to be and the country that our precious children deserve. i want to thank you and my colleagues who i have learned so much from and their leadership on this issue. and we aren't just the conscious -- conscience of this congress, we are the intellectual capacity of it, too. and at some point, they will
start to listen and start to follow, because the answers to our problems are contained in the intellectual capacity of this group. thank you very much. mr. butterfield: congressman from the 33rd district of texas. congressman mark vesey. mr. veasey: good morning. i'm in my second term in congress and i can tell you that this is the saddest day for me being a member of congress. what happened in the city of dallas last night, i represent part of dallas, is -- not only the saddest day for me as a member of congress but i can't think of any event in the dallas fort worth metroplex in my
lifetime that has been this solemn. i was on the phone earlier this morning and i spoke to one of the police officers -- one of the families of the police officers that was killed. i talked to the mom and the aunt of one of the officers that was killed. the officer lived in forth worth -- fort worth in my district and grew up in the district i represent in the fort worth area. and i roundly condemned the violence that took place last night and what happened to those police officers is absolutely horrible. it was hate-filled what happened. the police officers and the protestors were getting along last night and taking pictures with one another last night. the gunman, the people that were involved in this senseless act had nothing to do with the protestors. and the protestors and the police according to some reports
after the shooting happened, even helped each other last night. and yesterday, we had a press event to talk about what happened in louisiana and talk about what happened in minnesota. i got to tell you, i have a 10-year-old son -- he's more like his mom. he looks like both of us, but he's more like his mom, and right now he is a cute fifth grader. a cute fifth grader. but i worry about him, when he gets older, when he gets into
high school, what if he is out with his friends. i don't want anything to happened in just because maybe maybe he off or doesn't do something that someone doesn't like and has something happened to him, that could be prevented with just better understanding between the community and the police department. and just because i want that for my son, does not mean that i don't support the police 100%. without the police, we would have anarchy in the streets, we would have no order and the country that we live in wouldn't be the country that we know today where we have a free press and have freedom of speech, where we have the right to gather and protest. and that is all that i want. i want the police officers to be
protected, but i do want to know when my son gets a little bit older and he starts -- and his voice starts to change and put on weight like his dad that he will be given the same benefit of the doubt that any other kid would be for maybe having a smart mouth or maybe not doing what the police officer says that he didn't think he should , have been doing or whatever the circumstances may be, i want him to have the same chance as any other kid in his school. thank you. mr. butterfield: thank you, congressman veasey. the next and final speaker will be the gentlelady from chicago, congresswoman robin kelly who returns to washington with -- each monday night with horror stories from her community in chicago.
she is not only the only member who comes back and tells us these horror stories. we have horror stories from los angeles, new york, san antonio, and it repeats itself every week. but thank you, congresswoman kelly, for your efficacy. ms. kelly: the united states is on edge. and we have to decide if we are going to go over the cliff of gun violence and senseless murder or if we will take a step back and find a space for peace and solidarity. i associate myself with what my colleagues have said. our black men and boys cannot be continued to be looked at as animals in a jungle that are dangerous and shot all too often. but also, i come from a family of law enforcement, and i texted my cousin in new york last night and my nephews in chicago to be safe, because i know they are trying to do the right thing and trying to protect us. we have to find peace together. we can't continue like this.
but we also have to be the leaders in finding solution to this gun violence problem. it's the commonsense gun laws , and it is police-community relations and getting more african-americans in the law enforcement field. it is sustainable communities. what's the root causes. why are people taking up guns and not books and pens and pencils. we have to get to the root cause. we have to work together. congresswoman lawrence and i dropped a bill yesterday that deals with all of those components because it's not just , one thing. it its not just one thing. it's all of those things together. and i vow to fight to the end. i haven't stood up for moments in silence for a long time because i feel like we stand up, we sit down, and we don't do anything. it's time to act, and time to act for everybody, whether you die alone, die in a mass shooting or you are a police officer that is senselessly murdered. thank you. mr. butterfield: thank you congresswoman kelly and i thank
all of my colleagues. we are open for questions. reporter: the police chief in dallas this morning talked about the suspect who died and said he wanted to kill white people and wanted to kill cops. he said he was upset by the black lives matter movement. you all have been blaming the lack of gun control action for part of this problem. do you think -- do you have any concern with the black lives matter movement, some of the folks in there, what the people have been saying about the police. leading to these kinds of things? mr. butterfield: we have to be intelligent to separate the issues we are confronting today in america. the congressional black caucus not only supports black lives matter, but we embrace black lives matter. each member of our caucus follow that sentiment. if not, he or she can speak for
themselves. but i know all of them individually standing before you and we collectively embrace the goals and ideals of black lines matter. there are multiple issues we are facing in america. we are talking about number one, about taking away guns from terrorists and would be-be terrorists and criminals who use these guns to kill 491. 491 police shootings in america so far this year. at this same point last year, 465 americans were shot by police senselessly and unnecessarily. we have to separate that. as congressman veasey said a moment ago, this does not discount our support for law enforcement all across the country. we said in our public and private meetings that 99.9% 99.8% of police officers in this , country are wonderful men and women who put on the uniform each day and they serve and
protect and defend us and they defend our constituents and our communities. so i want us to be intelligent enough to separate the issues that we are talking about today. if someone goes in a building and assassinates five police officers, they are a terrorist, by any definition. they are a terrorist and they are not part of the black lives matter movement, what their motivations were, the criminal justice system and law enforcement will figure that out. i have seen the early reports. but please, ladies and gentlemen let's be intelligent to separate , the issues we are debating today. this time i yield to congressman , al green from texas. mr. green: first, a comment, the nation is in mourning. we are a country that is suffering.
that suffering emanates from the loss of innocent human life, innocent life whether it is at the hands of these assassins who kill police officers or at the hands of persons who represent them, any loss of innocent life is something that we deplore and that we must always protect innocent life. i'm a former president of the naacp and served as a judge of the small claims justice court and a lawyer. i assure you that people of goodwill denounce any statements that have been made with reference to the shooting of peace officers. we absolutely adamantly totally oppose anyone who would advocate shooting police officers. we totally, completely, without hesitation, equivocation or reservation, want to make it
ly clear, what happened in dallas, texas was beneath the standards that human beings have set to live peacefully with each other. and we want to make sure that those persons who are involved in this are prosecuted to the fullest extent that the law allows. just as anyone who harms a person who happens to be a innocent person with a taillight out. that person has to be punished to the fullest extent that the law allows. now with reference to the congress of the united states of america. before we can get these acts of congress to pass the legislation that my dear sister advocates fair, that mr. richman talked about, before you have an act of congress you have to have a congress willing to act. the congress of the united
states of america has refused to act on issues of importance to the american people. the speaker of the house has to be called on the carpet for what he has failed to do. make no mistake about it. the speaker has the power, he has the political power here to call and convene a meeting to to bring in the head of the fbi and demand that he account for an investigation. if he can do this, he can demand that we bring in the appropriate people so we can find out what is happening in this country. that is his responsibility. and we will not let him off the hook. mr. butterfield: thank you, congressman al green. there is no question that the power to address this issue is
in the hands of speaker paul ryan and i hope he understands the significant importance of bringing this bill to the floor. we continue to entertain questions. yes, sir? reporter: congressman veasey, a question for you, what have you been hearing this morning from constituents and family members and friends in dallas and what's your message to them? mr. veasey: i did speak with the dallas police department and was updated as much as they could on everything's that is happening. and i talked to one of the parents of one of the slain police officers, who had been on the dallas police department a little under 10 years, and was a veteran also. served in the navy, currently in the navy reserves. graduated from one of our local high schools in the fort worth independent school district. to let you know how close to
home this is, one of the staffers working in my office went to high school with the slain police officer and his wife and graduated the same year as the wife. that is something that is very deep, close and personal to myself as well as i'm sure to congresswoman eddie bernice johnson. i have been in that same area in dallas more times than i can remember in downtown dallas. walked the streets, entertained there, ate there. everything. and just to see that happening in the metroplex in dallas it really hit me like i have never been hit before. mr. butterfield: thank you. next question. reporter: the question is for congressman lewis. there has been a lot of talk about the civil rights movement in comparison. how does what african-americans
face today differ from what you faced in 1963 and 1964? mr. lewis: sometimes i want to believe we have made much more progress, but then i think that if we are not standing still, sometimes we are sliding back. the scars and stains of racism are still deeply embedded in american society. and i think what is happening is saying that we cannot sweep it under the rug in a dark corner. we have to deal with it, all of us. we as a congress. local government. the religious community. but i have faith and hope that we will get there. we were jailed, we were beaten.
i got arrested 40 times during the 1960's. left bloody, unconscious by police officers, but i never hated. and each time i see a police officer whether on capitol hill , or back in atlanta or in texas or louisiana or wherever, i say , thank you for your service. i really believe that we must come to that point in our country where we respect the dignity and the worth of every human being. we can do it. the leaders must lead. i think too many people in the congress, i hate to say it are , in the taillights and not headlights. reporter: you said you are reaching out to friends in other
communities. and i'm wondering what kind of feedback and support are you getting from hispanic leaders in and out of congress and are you concerned by comments like the one that former congressman joe walsh was putting on twitter and calling the black lives matter blaming "thugs" and president obama for the chaos that we are going through as a country now. i'm wondering what are you hearing and also the fact that the nra has been silent on this whole issue as well? they are separate issues, i'm sorry. mr. butterfield: mr. richmond will address your concerns, but i will reference the fact congresswoman gutierrez from illinois was with us last night, and spoke passionately, as well as congressman castro from texas. mr. richmond.
mr. richmond: in congress, a number of our colleagues from the progressive caucus and hispanic caucus have joined in this issue and walked in protest last night also and have been arm-in-arm with us as we address it. as we talk about the n.r.a., let me just tell you, the hypocrisy there is so blatant. one of the men had a concealed carry weapon permit, which they advocate for, which they go around to states to advocate that they pass concealed carry laws, where you can bring weapons to work, to church, and to school. how do you advocate for that and then you watch the result of it with a young black man who says, i have a permit, which you advocated for, and you sit by quietly? i will just tell you, look, my
life experiences, i always thought the nra was not concerned about me. and i hunt and fish and own a gun. but the last few days have clarified it to me, that their second amendment concern is void of concern for african-americans , and i just believe that we cannot give them a pass on not making a comment, not defending this young man and not calling for some change. let me just touch upon the end, black lives matter. people cannot use black lives matter as a scapegoat. those young kids came together to protest something that was not imagined, something that was real. and they came back and started protesting in ferguson. and the sad part is we keep
having more events that they have to protest. so when we talk about their anger and their frustration and their activism, you can't blame them for these incidents happening. and as much as people would like to call them thugs and other things, they do that for their comfort so they can explain to themselves why bad things happen. and the truth of the matter for young african-american kids and young african-american males, and i will tell you, yesterday we had a press conference to reiterate that if we were not wearing suits, people would lump us into the category of young black thugs based on how we dress. and it's unfair to do that to the black lives matte movement t has been positive and created and sparked a debate where presidential candidates had to address the issue of whether black lives matter. let's just say, the fact that
their number one goal is that law enforcement should not kill unarmed black people, should be low-hanging fruit. the ultimate goal is economic opportunity, so every young black boy and girl can reach their dreams. and about blaming president obama, that is absolute nonsense from people who can't get over the fact that michelle obama and president obama and his children wake up every day in the white house. >> thank you, mr. richmond. speak up a little bit. reporter: i know yesterday you guys had called for meetings with attorney general lynch and the fbi director. have those been set up? is there any update on the? mr. butterfield: you want to address that? mr. jeffries: our nation is in mourning because of the painful
incidents that have taken place this week, in baton rouge, louisiana and the suburbs of minneapolis. and of course tragically last night in dallas. we are suffering right now. scripture says while suffering may endure during the long night, joy will come in the morning. but in order to get from suffering to joy, we have got to be willing in america to have a meaningful, legitimate, authentic conversation about the challenges that race continues to pose and the relationship between law enforcement and communities of color. that's why we called for a high-level conversation , unfettered between leadership here in the congressional black caucus, the attorney general, the f.b.i. director and people
in the law enforcement community from all throughout the land in order to make sure that we can turn tragedy into triumph through action. and let me just lastly comment about the black lives matter movement. john lewis will tell you that in order to make progress in america as we continue to march toward a more perfect union, you need peaceful agitation to precede legislation. and i think that's simply what the overwhelming majority of young people in america want, to be able to grow up and fully experience the american dream without the possibility of it being tragically cut short by either a criminal or rogue police officer and we'll continue to affirm that as we move forward.
ms. jackson lee: let me add, our -- i started out by saying our hearts are broken. i indicated we would hear from the conscience of the congress, john lewis. many of us are students not only of john lewis but of martin luther king. in his letter from birmingham jail, he told us to leave our places and to fight against injustice. it should be very clear we should repeat it again, we are praying for the families of those fallen officers, and it was a terrorist act and a mass shooting. we are broken hearted and sad. but it should be very clear that this violent perpetrator using an ar-15 said that he was not affiliated with any group, that he came out out of hate and anger. and what we are saying to you is we are among these young people , and i want to call the name of deandre. he's a big young man, 6'5".
he was out last night in the washington protest. as a mother as i watched those children welcoming the fact that somebody cared about them, when he finally reached the white house this young man broke down on the ground. he was so overwhelmed that he had been able to lead john, like you did as a young man, nonviolently. and all he said to us, terri sewell, do something. he said, no fly, no buy. i was so impressed that he even knew those words. but he fell on the ground. i think america needs to use us as leaders of unity. we want to do that, to be unified and to be as much a unifying force for law enforcement officers who are serving their nation and for
those young people who have seen the loss of life and are praying for action from all of us. we are going to do that, and i think we can do that if the nation listens to what peace and nonviolence is and listens to the call of dr. king and john lewis, that we must fight against injustice. it was not black lives matter. it was a person intended for violence. mr. butterfield: thank you. let's go to the far left. reporter: sky news. with every piece of graphic footage that emerges of the latest police shooting, anger is mounting and mounting. from your experience, how is it possible to contain that? what's your message? mr. lewis: sometimes when people
are knocked down or beaten, arrested and jailed, sometimes when some of our leaders, some of our co-workers and friends are murdered, we have the capacity, we have the ability to get up and move in orderly, peaceful, nonviolent fashion. this young woman here, congresswoman terri sewell, who was born and raised in selma, alabama, her mother and father, relatives were involved, schoolmates marched across the bridge. they didn't fight that. but because of what they did we got the voting rights act
passed. and now hundreds and thousands and millions of our citizens can participate in the democratic process. mr. butterfield: thank you. thank you, congressman john lewis. we are closing out. i want to thank you for coming today on short notice. know that we believe, in the congressional black caucus, that this movement is maturing. it started after trayvon martin. before trayvon martin. it continues to escalate. this is a movement we are going to be serious about and there will be more announcements yet to come. congresswoman eddie bernice johnson representing the dallas community. she lives a few blocks from where these police officers were sadly assassinated last night, and she joins us in this effort today. thank you for coming. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy.
the recent shootings in louisiana and minnesota that resulted in the deaths of two black civilians. after that, the democratic national committee meets in orlando. announcer: "washingon journal" continues. from our guest, joining us baltimore, is deray mckesson, a black lives matter activist. welcome to the program. guest: it is good to be back. host: where to start? dallas, -- esota, louisiana not have toould protest. people should not be in the streets to be heard. resort.st as a last
it was not until we were in the street in ferguson in 2014 that forced a conversation at the national level about the terror that was happening in communities. what we see in louisiana and minnesota are two black men who should be alive today. but they are not alive because an officer chose to kill them. when we think about the lack of convictions across the country that have happened at least in the last two years, the courts are not saying that the officers are not involved in the deaths of these people. the courts are saying that their involvement is not criminal. that reminds us we need to make sure that the laws and practices hold police accountable. the police have incredible power to take people's lives, but they also operate with impunity and they are not just held accountable. isse cases remind us that it not ok. my heart goes out to the victims of all violence, when we think about what has happened over the past 48 hours. host: our guest will be with us
for the rest of the hour. the rest of the program. a little bit of confusion, mr. mckesson, overnight about what protest this was. a lot of people were calling it a black lives matter protest. others were saying it was not, that they do not have a branch in dallas. does that matter? and can you clarify any of that for us? guest: the movement is bigger than any one organization, so what is confusing is that there is an organization that has a name, the same thing as how we call the movement. when people think about this moment, they talk about a movement, which is bigger than any person or organization. there is an organization that call -- that is called black lives matter. the organization did not start the protest, but there are so many incredible activists and organizers pushing to make the world more equitable and just.
when we think about the protests in dallas, minneapolis, baton aree, at its root, people coming together saying the world can be better and here is how, and let me find other people who believe it with me. host: let me get right to the phones. david is calling from swings bureau, georgia. with deraythe phone mckesson. caller: good morning. how are you doing you i want to throw some history at you. you all are listening to and talking like politicians. these quit it. as american -- please quit it. as americans, we need to speak like americans. what is going on in our country is fascism, plain and simple. they call the people over there in the persian world radical muslims. sir, it was started at the end of world war ii when a
fascist state was set up in -- and it hashas moved up into the middle east. until like what you all are in black lives matter point out that it is fascism and that the good people of our world have to say enough and crush it and quit teaching it to our children, this is going to continue. deray, i hope you can do something to change what is going on, and i wish you all the luck in the world. host: let's hear from our guest. caller: i appreciate it. you can call it fascism, things.ship, a host of the outcomes are the same, no matter what we call it. black people are being disproportionately killed by the police. the police killed nearly three people every day in 2016.
there is a crisis. i am open to what we call it. host: what are your expectations? you want the police to be held accountable. moving forward, what actions do you expect to come from this? what is realistic, in your view? caller: -- guest: the culture of policing is broken. there is a culture that says officers can do what they want and will not be held accountable. that is not ok. you think about in louisiana, the bill of rights says officers do not have to give a statement for administrative hearings for 30 days. there is no other public servant that gets 30 days before they police topear before be interrogated. even with freddie gray, when freddy got killed, the police appear for 10o
days. that is an unfair protection that the police have. and then body camera's, independent investigators and prosecutors -- with the website , at thisignzero.org or i point what i hope for coming forward from the obama administration is a call for the national use of force, a standard that both explicitly calls for the preservation of life and that also makes deadly force a use of last resort. host: natalie, calling from pompano beach, florida. caller: good morning, good morning. host: you are on the air. caller: i am very, very upset at what is going on. but the problem is, we as brown -- hebrew, israelites,
not black -- we need to learn who we are. law at the red sea, and the law is the 10 commandments. stop trying to do with these people. ok, is caucasian people, because they will not do right by us. been00 years they have trying to kill us, and that is what they have been doing. we need to turn back to god and the lord will protect us. we are the chosen people. do not be mad about it, and stop killing our men. host: that was natalie. deray mckesson? caller: we are people who made a way out of no way. we exist in a legacy of struggle because this country has not been kind to black people since
its beginning. we have always been people who have had to push and press because of racism and systemic injustice. that is real. we also need to be true that this is our country, too, that we have the power to change laws , that forced the systems and structures to respond to our lives to firmly. when we have seen is a different type of mobilizing, a different type of building of coalitions to say this world can be a better place. it is important that we continue to know that at the root of all this is white privilege, white supremacy, and racism, and we have to be able to talk about the way racism forms so many things in our country because it is so dramatic and it has real outcomes. host: what about yourself and your group, deray mckesson? know,on twitter wants to
"how was he chosen to speak for the people in ferguson? can you explain it to us? people leadingere are at the local, state, and national level, and that is really important. i am one of many people doing work in the space to make sure that we have an equitable and just society. people, was also in the streets of ferguson and using social media, our bodies, to push back on dominant culture narratives. what is important about this moment is that you continue to see so many people now part of the conversation and are speaking out and having their voices heard in ways they have not before. host: here is a washington post story you have probably seen it. "with police killing back in the remaines, americans
uncertain about black lives matter." "at the center of it all will be the black lives matter movement. but americans are still trying to figure out how they feel about it or it over the course of their existence, black lives matter is a polarizing and often contentious political movement. opponents accuse it of fomenting violence. how would you describe yourself, mr. mckesson? the movement is young. this is an old fight, but people organizing, especially young people, saying that we can do something about it. but this is a relatively young space. there are misconceptions about the movement. i know there are incredible people across the country who do really good work. but the changes that will result in the police being held accountable our local.
this is about cities and states passing legislation, policies, and changing practices, in ways that will make communities safer. it is all about having a different mind shift about what safety means. if i asked you where you felt the most safe, you will probably not tell me in a room full of police. you will probably tell me with people who love you, in a shelter. this is slow work. issues of race have always been a thing in this country. people still look back on slavery and other injustices and do not do a full accounting of the trauma they have inflicted on communities. so it is no surprise that people in this moment are afraid and uncomfortable. we must talk about race. host: have you met with presidential candidates this year? , i met with president obama in february, but also with hillary and bernie. bernie has come a long way in his understanding of racial injustice.
he had already had a deep understanding of economic injustice. hillary has devoted her time for a long time as a politician. i think that her platform has been -- is brought in a way. i am hopeful that her platform and the democratic convention for arm will call national use of force standard, and the other that hillary said is that she believed in communities having oversight of the functions in communities. that does not come across in her platform or the democratic convention platform, which worries me. host: calls. lauren in elk grove village. lawrence caller: in elk grove village. i was listening -- caller: i was listening to the earlier segment. concerning the police officers, the five who were killed and the 12 who were shot total -- do we
know the race of those people? i did not see all the reports, so i do not know. the four people that were i guess the terrorists, or the murderers -- i know one was killed himself, and the other 3, 1 being a woman -- do we know the race of those people? did i miss something? i am just serious. i have a comment after that. host: i have not seen that in the early reporting. i am not sure our guest knows. i am not sure why you are asking. make a comment. guest: -- caller: a few of the callers earlier had facts. seem veryhy many wealthy because they seem to be clairvoyant about issues they do not know about. even the shooting about the man in minnesota in his car -- i am
confused about that issue, too, because the only video we had is from the girlfriend of the man who was shot, after the man was shot. so i am curious why no questions have been asked about what happened before that. apparently, he was stopped i believe for a taillight being out. i do not even understand how any of this happened, until we know what happened. host: let's get back to our guest. anything to respond to there, deray mckesson? guest: what we know to be true he was killed and he was not posing a threat to the officer. -- alton. and also to philando castile, the officer was still pointing a gun at him when he was immobilized, was still considered to be a grave threat when he could not move. in the mindset of the officer, it seems like bodies are
threatening even when they are immobilized, because he shot him at point-blank range. we have questions outstanding, but again both of these men should be alive, and we can all agree on that. host: deray mckesson spoke about social media -- its strength and power these days. , your taker reaction on the role of social media? broughton is out to media in general because we did have a caller earlier today who said a lot of this is created by the media, fueled by the media, and that is part of the problem. what do you think? alwaysblack people have faced these issues of erasure. in these moments, we become the on erased. twitter and facebook has allowed people to tell their own stories unfiltered by any other source, so in both of these cases, one being a cell phone video and one
being facebook live, we can expose these to audiences that otherwise they would not be able to if we did not have these tools. that is incredibly powerful. it has been powerful to us in ferguson, in minneapolis, in cities across the country. what we see now is the media actually asking the police questions and pushing on the police in ways we have not seen before. criticalmuch more perspective, holding police accountable, and i think that has changed how people understand the role of the police. there was a point where the police could do no wrong in any capacity. if the police said it, it must be true. marion on the line for republicans. you are on the air. marion?
go ahead. caller: i wanted to say i am so glad that this young man is on talking about this, and i want to say that i hope that they keep it going -- white people, black people, everybody. police shooting at a car, where a mother is fleeing with her five kids, it makes me angry. when i see police beating up black women, little girls, 14 years old, and i see the police appoint -- the police put a gun in a car with a man who is already shot, he should not be a policeman.
there is something very wrong, and i hope he keeps up straightening everything out in this country. host: thanks for calling. mr. mckesson, any reaction? guest: what is also real is that these officers are choosing to inflict harm. one of the incident she talk about that she talked about was in mckinney, -- one of the incidents that she talk about, the officer who had his knee in a girls back in mckinney, the officer chose to do that. , andmake these choices when they murder, they will pay protected at all costs. we have a real problem in this society and we have to work on it. host: steve, a call for deray mckesson. good morning, steve. caller: i had one comment, but
since i have been listening to your guest, i have several more. he said the police wanted to kill freddie gray. every policeman that has been put on trial so far has been found not guilty, or insufficient evidence, or whatever. so that is an incorrect statement. the second thing i would to say is that people need to be taught how to deal with the police. i am a middle-aged white man, and i feel insulted when the police approached me with their hands on their puzzles -- with their pistols. but i say, sir, i will reach glove compartment to get my drivers license. if michael brown had followed their instructions, he would not have been killed the police. also, i want to dress white privilege. about do not talk to me white privilege. i grew up in southeast maryland in southeast washington. i get up every morning to go to
work at 4:15. i work 12 hours a day, five days a week. thank god i am off today. sunday tourday and have what i have. nobody has given me anything. i have black men and white men who own businesses who are just like me -- we work. that is not due to any privilege on my part. host: let's get a reaction. when i say that the officers made a choice, i stand by that. the officers chose to ignore any medical call for help that he gave. that was a choice. what we know to be true is that when freddie. into the band, -- when freddie got into the van, his spine was ok. officers chose to do actions that led to his death, and that is real. mike brown, which you brought up -- i do not believed people
should die for jaywalking. michael at best was jaywalking. we live in a country where officers have incredible power and can do with a want, and that is deemed ok. that happened with mike around and with a lot of other cases. when you say that the officers were not convicted, it is not a not that the officers were guilty, it was a sign that the officers can do whatever they want to do. --means that the wrongdoing we have a shadow justice system for the police. and then when we think about white privilege, it disappoints me that you have such a deep misunderstanding of the history of race and racism in this country. your white skin afford you a set of privileges and benefits, more than any other person in this country. there is a legacy of racism that is so deeply embedded -- the set of benefits extend to you
regardless of gender and income, because of your whiteness. when we think about little things like band-aids, what skin tone looks like on products -- like that is white, that is normative. and then in the larger sense, we treat whiteness as the defining attribute of what it means to be normal in this country. way meansg hard in no that white privilege does not exist. it in no way means that if two people apply for the same job that they will not be treated different light. -- it is not because black people did not work hard. people have worked hard for centuries and were not compensated for their labor. but again, because of the way whiteness functions in this society, there is an immense privilege afforded to white people. host: just about 10 minutes left or our guest, a community office r and a black lives matter
activist. frank, from houston, texas. caller: i want to give my heart out to the families of the officers that were killed in dallas. i would like to say the last caller was spot-on. black lives matter movement grew out of the frustrations that was fanned by the media to get convictions on men, officers that were doing what they should withdone -- not so much zimmerman, but the rest of them, there were no convictions. they were tried by a jury of their peers, they were leaned on by the department of justice. they were leaned on by the president of the united states. black lives matter movement is a frustrated fascist movement. they go around disrupting
demonstrations. you, being a community organizer, should know that when you let the media fan the flames, you say you know the man was shot and killed in louisiana. but you do not have any evidence of that. you are doing -- you are going by what the woman said. let the facts come in, let the trial be held at then do your protests. thank you. began by calling your group a frustrated fascist movement. what is your reaction? -- it is always interesting. what he said is that because the officers were not convicted, essentially they must have been in the right. i think back on the history and the history of racism in this country, and there were very few convictions on lynching.
they were not right to lynch people, though. it highlights that the laws are racist and protect a set of people in ways that are unfair. when i think about the police, it is a similar circumstance. the laws are saying -- no judge has said the police were not involved in any capacity in these people's deaths. says the police's involvement was not criminal because we have a system that protects the police at all cost, and that is not ok. the acquittals do not push me to think that the officers had no culpability. it is about a broken system and we need to fix the system. in terms of him suggesting that we jump in to conclusions -- i will not accept that might brown should be dead -- that mike brown should be dead or that freddie gray should be dead. toe and time again, we have have officers who do not kill black peop