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the chair: the yeas are 231 and
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the nays are 197. he amendment is adopted. further proceedings were postponed and which the knows prevailed. the clerk: amendment number 63 printed in house report 114-683 offered by ms. graham of florida. the chair: the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on. a sufficient number having arisen, a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a two-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the chair: the yeas are 1385 the nays are 243 is not adopted. the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on printed in house report 114-683 offered by mr. king, which further proceedings were
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postponed and the ayes prevailed by voice vote. the clerk: amendment number 64 printed in house report 114- 83 offered by mr. king of iowa. the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on. a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a two-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the chair: the yeas are 188, the nays are 238, the amendment is not adopted. the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on amendment number 67 offered by the gentleman from colorado, pl lamborn, which further
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proceedings were postponed and the ayes prevailed. the clerk: amendment number 67 printed in house report number 114-683 offered by mr. lamborn of colorado. those in support of the request for a recorded vote will rise and remain standing until counted., members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a two-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the chair: the yeas are 283 and the amendment nays are 190. he amendment is adopted. the yeas are 238 and the nays are 1390. the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on on amendment number 68 offered
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by the gentleman from colorado, mr. lamborn on which further proceedings were postponed and the yeas prevailed. the clerk: amendment number 68 printed in house report 114- 83 offered by mr. lamborn of colorado. a recorded vote having been requested, those in support of the request for a recorded vote will rise and remain standing until counted. a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a two-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the chair: the yeas are 228, the nays are 199. the amendment is adopted. the unfinished business is the request for a recorded vote on amendment number 72 printed in house report 114- 3 offered by mr. murphy on which the knows
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prevailed. the clerk will redesignate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number 72 printed in house report 114-683 offered by mr. murphy of florida. the chair: questions members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a two minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the chair: the yeas are the chair: the unfinished by is -- business is the request for a railroaded vote on amendment number 73 offered by the gentleman from washington, mr. newhouse, further proceedings were prostponed on which the
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ayes prevailed by voice vote. the clerk will redesignate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number 3, printed in house report 114-683, offered by mr. newhouse of washington. the chair: a recorded vote -- ng been requested, the those in favor of a recorded vote will rise and be counted. a sufficient number having risen, a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a two-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the chair: on this vote, the yeas are 223, the nays are 2301. the amendment is adopted. -- are 201. he amendment is adopted.
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for what purpose does the gentleman from california, mr. calvert, rise? mr. calvert: i move that the committee rise. the chair: the question is on the motion that the committee rise. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. the motion is adopted. accordingly the committee rises. the chair: mr. speaker, the committee of the whole house on the state of the union having mad under consideration h.r. 5538, directs me to report it has come to no resolution thereon. the speaker pro tempore: the chairman of the committee of the whole house on the state of the union reports that the committee has had under consideration h.r. 5538 and has come to no esolution thereon. for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek
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recognition? mr. calvert: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that -- >> mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent that the committee on foreign affairs be discharged from further consideration of house concurrent resolution 823 and ask for its immediate consideration on the floor of this house. the speaker pro tempore: does the gentleman mean house resolution 823. mr. royce: house resolution 823, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the resolution. the clerk: house resolution 823. resolution condemning in the strongest terms the terrorist attacks in istanbul, turkey, on june 28, 2016 that resulted in the loss of at least 44 lives. the speaker pro tempore: is there objection to the consideration of the resolution? without objection, the resolution is agreed to and the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. mr. royce: thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from utah seek recognition?
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>> i ask unanimous consent that the committees on oversight and government reform, foreign affairs, and homeland security be discharged from further consideration of house resolution 827 and ask for its immediate consideration in the house. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of -- title of the resolution. the clerk: house resolution 827, resolution condemning the terrorist attack on the pulse orlando nightclub, honoring the memory of the victims of the attack. offering condolences to and expressing support for their families and friends and all those affected. and applauding the dedication and bravery of law enforcement emergency response and counterterrorism officials in responding to the attack. the speaker pro tempore: is there objection to the consideration of the resolution? without objection theres. solution agreed to and the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. for what purpose does the gentleman from utah seek recognition? mr. chaffetz: i ask unanimous consent that the committee on oversight and government reform be discharged from its further
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consideration of h.r. 5722 and ask for its immediate consideration in the house. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 5722, a bill to establish the john f. kennedy centennial commission. the speaker pro tempore: is there objection to the consideration of the bill? >> reserving the right to object. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from maryland is recognized on his reservation. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman, i will not object but i do want to thank the jeert leader and the speaker, we have l joined in this resolution, it is almost exactly like that which we passed for ronald reagan two presidents who to ributed greatly not only the greatness of this country but also two presidents who inspired so many americans about
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their country, about their government, and about participation by average citizens in their government. i thank mr. chaffetz for bringing this to the floor and i certainly withdraw my reservation and urge strong support of the resolution. the speaker pro tempore: without objection the bill is engrossed, read a third time and passed. and the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. for what purpose does the gentleman from utah seek recognition? mr. chaffetz: pursuant to clause 4 of rule 16, i move that when the house adjourned today it adjourn to meet at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the question is on the motion. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. the motion is adopted.
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pursuant to house resolution 820 and rule 18, the chair declares the house in the committee of the whole house on the state of the union for the further consideration of h.r. 5538. will the gentleman from west virginia, mr. mooney, kindly ake the chair? does the gentleman from california have a unanimous consent request? >> i ask unanimous consent that all members have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material for further consideration of h.r. 5538 and that i may include tabular material on the same. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the chair: the house is in the committee of the whole house on the state of the union for further consideration of h.r.
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5538 which the clerk will report by title. the clerk: a bill making appropriations for the department of interior, environment and related agencies for the fiscal year ending september 30, 2017, and for ther purposes. the chair: when the committee of the whole rose earlier today, amendment number 73 printed in house report 114-683 was offered by the gentleman from washington, mr. newhouse, had beenties posed of. it is now in order to consider amendment number 76 printed in house report 114-683, for what purpose does the gentleman from alabama seek recognition? >> mr. chairman, i have an am the chair: the clerk will designate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number 76 printed in house report 114-683, offered by mr. palmer of alabama. the chair: pursuant to house resolution 820, the gentleman from alabama mr. palmer, and a member opposed will each control
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five minutes. mr. palmer: thank you, mr. chairman. first i want to commend my colleague the gentleman from california for his appropriations work on this bill. mr. chairman, the environmental protection agency spends as much as $50 million per year to employ nearly 200 armed agents at a cost of nearly $216,000 per year per agent. in total other the period from fissdal year 2006 to fiscal year 2015, the e.p.a. spent an estimated $715 million for its criminal enforcement program. these 200 agents are equipped with guns and ammunition up to 30 mill meet for the caliber, camouflage and other deceptive equipment, unmanned aircraft and other mill tear style equipment. a 2015 report noted that the e.p.a. spent $24,700 on ammunition between 75 millimeter
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and 125 millimeter and $23,000 on ammunition over 125 millimeter. if this is true what possible use could the e.p.a. have for purchasing rounds of that size? the e.p.a. is one of more than 67 federal agencies that employ armed personnel, many of which most americans will never associate with law enforcement. these include the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration, the federal reserve board and the national institutes of health among others. federal agencies should be able to clearly demonstrate their need for armed personnel and absent such demonstration should rely on local law enforcement when there is need for armed protection. my amendment would begin to address the troubling trend of militarization in our federal agencies. i urge my colleagues to support it and i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman reserves. for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek reck? >> i rise in opposition to the
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amendment. the chair: the gentleman is recognized for five minutes. mr. calvert: i understand the gentleman's concerns about the perception of overreach and sometimes the real perception of overreach by agencies of the united states government. i've taken a lot of shots at the environmental protection agency and probably will continue to do so. however, this amendment reaches too far. we may not always agree on where it's appropriate to draw the line on environmental laws and regulations. some think some standards are too stringent and others will say they're not tough enough. that's a fair policy debate to have and that's what we're doing tonight. however, we know no matter where the line is ultimately drawn, there are individuals out there that are willingingly and knowingly trying to find ways around those laws. as such, e.p.a. needs the ability to look into criminal activity, whether it's illegal
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dumping of waste, negligent dumping of toxics or oil, and the illegal importation of products from other countries by those who would choose to ignore u.s. law. so we can debate the laws and what's appropriate but we can't give criminals a free pass to ignore the laws that are on the books. saying that, i'd like to continue to work with the him eman, working with recognizing that whether or not these agencies are properly using the police powers that they have and the type of organizations that they have to enforce the law. but they must enforce the law and they must be able to protect themselves and sometimes -- in sometimes very difficult situations. with that, i reserve my time. the chair: the gentleman reserves. he gentleman from alabama.
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>> my amendment -- mr. palmer: my amendment would not change the laws on the book. the e.p.a. will still be able to prosecute environmental crimes, they'll have to rely on local law enforcement or federal law enforcement where federal law enforcement would be appropriate and where there's a need for armed protection, they could again rely on local law enforcement or federal law enforcement where the need applies. if the e.p.a. believes that it needs armed protection, we should have full disclosure of all of e. pamplet's criminal enforcement assets an a public debate about the arms and equipment being used by the e.p.a. when we're talking about 5 millimeter ammunition you're talking about an anti-tank round. 100 millimeter is an anti-tank round. they have amphibious assault vehicles and other equipment that really makes them look like a military operation.
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i would be happy and i appreciate the gentleman's desire to have a discussion about this and i look forward to having that discussion. i agree we want to make sure that our federal agencies, the people who work for them are protected especially when they are involved in investigations and enforcement capacity. we don't want any of them to leave their home and be injured and not be able to return home. we need to have a serious discussion about how much we are spending and the mill tar rizzation of federal agencies should be a concern to all of us. i reserve. the chair: the gentleman from california. mr. calvert: i would share my concern about the growth of utilization of these types of weapons within various agencies, not just the e.p.a. u.s. ether or not
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marshal's office which was used in the past shouldn't be brought back to some degree, especially the swat teams that are highly trained and in sometimes very delicate situations because training is extremely important. and folks that work in various agencies may not get the type of training that they need in a very difficult situation. i think we need to look at it. but these agents working for the environmental protection agency sometimes need to protect themselves and we can debate whether or not they need the type of ammunition and type of guns you are talking about but right now this amendment goes too far. i will work with the gentleman down the road, because i do have some concerns about that. it's not just the e.p.a. we have a number of agencies seem to be arming up themselves,
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which i have some concerns about. i reserve. the chair: the gentleman from alabama. mr. palmer: i thank the gentleman for his willingness to work with us on that. i would like to point out that weapons have pro liver ated among the agencies and 67 agencies, we are spending an enormous amount of money on this and not doing a good job of keeping up with the weapons inventory. one case there was a murder of kate steinle where the weapon had been stolen from the bureau of land management. we have to take a look for the real need of arming federal agencies, some of them which makes no sense like noaa and particularly with the e.p.a.
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e.p.a. is one of the most feared agencies and put them right up there next to the i.r.s. and to think you have armed agents with equipment and weapons that they have is a serious, serious issue that i think my amendment addresses. it has already initiated a much needed dwight on this issue. i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentleman from california. mr. calvert: i oppose this amendment and i would be happy to work with the gentleman in the future to come to some resolution. but i do agree that it is a concern we should work together on both sides because the military in these agencies is concerning but agencies should be able to protect themselves in a situation that may arise from time to time. with that, i would urge opposition and i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the question is on the amendment
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offered by the gentleman from alabama. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the noes have it and the amendment is not agreed to. mr. palmer: request a recorded vote. the chair: pursuant to clause 6, rule 18, further proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from alabama will be postponed. the chair: amendment number 77 printed in house report 114-683, for what purpose does the gentlewoman from wyoming seek recognition? mrs. lummis: on behalf of the the gentleman from new mexico, i have an amendment at the desk. the clerk: amendment number 77 rinted in house report 114- 83
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offered by mrs. lummis of wyoming. the chair: pursuant to house resolution 820, the gentlewoman from wyoming, mrs. lummis, and a member opposed each will control 20 minutes. mrs. lummis: mr. pearce was called away and i'm standing in for him and want to join the previous amendment offeror in thanking the appropriations committee, the subcommittee on interior and environment and the staff of that committee for their hard work on this piece of legislation. this amendment would affect the new mexico meadow jumping mouse. as a result of the habitat designations, the u.s. forest service has begun to construct electric fences around the new mexico meadow jumping mouse's
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habitat which is located around flood plains and stream beds in new mexico. the problem is a number of these critical habitat designations could inside with ranching where ranchers hold what we call territorial water rights, those are water rights that existed and belong to these ranchers before new mexico was even a state. these long standing water rights provide access for -- that is essential to these ranches. and this amendment is needed because the fish and wildlife service and forest service are not effectively working with ranchers to maintain their operations. there's also an issue about the science surrounding this mouse. the mouse has never been seen in a number of the critical habitat areas and the few mouse sightings on record were made nearly a decade ago.
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the agencies themselves have admitted that the science used to list the speaksey is seriously limited. so despite that science gap, farmers and ranchers are being denied their property rights, territorial water rights and driven from allotments all for a mouse that may not even exist. voting for this amendment would send a clear message that species listing not backed by sound science will not stand. we cannot allow unsubstantiated science to destroy the lives of american citizens and the history and heritage of the ranching community and the culture of the ranching community that even predates new mexico's admission into the union. for this reason, i ask that you support the pearce amendment to delist this speaksey until
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legitimate and up to date science is available. i reserve. the chair: the gentlewoman reserves. for what purpose does the gentlewoman from minnesota seek recognition? ms. mccollum: i claim time in opposition to the amendment. the chair: the gentlewoman is recognized for five minutes. ms. mccollum: i claim time in opposition because this would prohibit the fish and wildlife service from implementing the listing. and would restrict the service from offering any critical protections to preserve this species. i heard what my good friend said and having a grandfather who is a rancher in montana, i hear what you are saying. however when it is listed, the role is primarily per miss i have. the majority of the habitat for
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the new mexico jumping mouse is on federal land and u.s. fish and wildlife services working with the forest service to develop a conservation measure that will protect the mouse while clearly allowing grazing and assuring adequate water for the cattle. since the endangerered species listing, they have concerns to people who make their livelihood on forest service lands which results from the needs of the jumping house. the fish and wildlife service listened to these concerns and established three working groups and have come up with a solution like establishing the cattle cattle can get access to the water while protecting the vegetabletation. under this amendment, the
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service would not be able to continue to recover this species through all the endangerered species act prohibition. the service would not be able to work with these stakeholders to provide compliance. the service requirement to implement the endangerered species act and the funding to fulfill this legal requirement makes everyone vulnerable to lawsuits, which is an unnecessary cost to the american taxpayer. additionally, this amendment also limits the service from undertaking status reviews of the subspecies or initiating any rulemaking to down list or delist the species as appropriate. i oppose this amendment because i believe the fish and wildlife service with the working groups can come up with a creative solution. we should also allow fish and wildlife to be able to downlist .r delist the species
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her amendment would not give them the ability to do that. i oppose this amendment and i urge my colleagues to oppose it as well. the chair: the gentlelady reserves. the gentlewoman from wyoming is recognized. mrs. lummis: thank you, mr. chairman. this is a water rights issue in addition to an endangerered species act issue and this is an instance where private water rights are being and row debated for the sake of a mouse that we know might not exist and the science makes it so these meadow jumping mouse subspecies, you can't tell one from the other actually -- until you actually kill the mouse and look at their sculs. hen it's that extremism,
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whether it is a new mexico jumping mouse or some other subspeaksey we have a problem with the science. using electric trick fences in a way that is based on science that is this obscure doesn't sound to me like an effective means to work with the ranchers, the culture and the livelihoods of the people involved. i urge support of the pearce amendment and i yield back the balance of my time. the chair: the gentlelady yields back. ms. mccollum: i yield back. the chair: the question is on the amendment offered by the gentlewoman from wyoming. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the
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ayes have it. and the amendment is agreed to. pursuant to clause -- for what purpose does the gentleman from arizona seek recognition? >> i have amendment 78 at the desk. the chair: the clerk will designate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number 78 rinted in house report 114-683 offered by mr. gosar of arizona. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. gosar: i rise as the designee of mr. pearce to offer amendment number 78. it a louis for the state management of the mexican wolf in arizona and new mexico. it will prevent the united states fish and wildlife service from expanding the population from this species outside of its range. one of the main issues for the wolf recovery is an extremely outdated recovery plan utilized
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by the service. it was first listed as an endangered species in 19376. the plan which the service is utilizing today, as a result this plan is outdated and not based on the best available science. without an updated plan that includes recovery criteria, it will remain on the list forever. there is interest in redrafting the recovery plan, however the agency has done it in the past and failed to make any updates but caved to environmental groups. another issue arose when the service expanded the recovery zone for the wolf four times its previous size. as a result, it has been disastrous for private citizens who have longer wait times as well as the species whose
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numbers have declined under the plan of the fish and wildlife service. n 2015, the service confirmed they were expanding outside the range. this is extremely misguyed as 90% of the historic range is in mexico. the four governors from new , sent a lorado, utah letter voicing opposition to this approach. the arizona attorney general and arizona fish and game department filed a suit for failing their statutory duty to develop an update red covery plan to guide the mexican wolf recovery. the new mexico department of game and fish also filed a suit against the service, claiming they were, quote, ignoring the
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laws and regulations of new mexico, quote, by releasing wolves without state permits. last week, a judge sided with new mexico's state government and granted them a temporary injunction preventing them from release manager mexican wolves into the wild. adding to the debacle, this week, the department of interior's office of inspector genre vealed a report that revealed serious structural issues including subversive actions taken by the staff. in lieu of the current circumstances i urge my olleagues to allow states to protect and manage a species, not the washington bureaucrats with a track record of failure. the amendment is supported by the american farm bureau federation, americans for limited government, public lands council, national cattlemen's beef association, arizona cattle feeders association, arizona farm bureau, arizona liberty,
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soil and water conservation districts, cattle growers association, idaho recreational council, new mexico wool growers incorporated, new mexico federal lands council, wildlife biologist mary darling, taxpayers john fowler, james donnor, therese griffin hicks and sue chilton and countless other individuals and organizations. i thank the chairman and the ranking member for their time and their work on this bill. i reserve. the chair: the gentleman reserves. for what purpose does the gentlelady from minnesota seek recognition? ms. mccollum: i claim time in opposition to the amendment. the chair: the gentlelady is recognized for five minutes. ms. mccollum: i understand and hear clearly what the gentleman was say, that the plan needs to beup dated, refleshed and people need to be -- refreshed and people need to be involved in it. i would be happy to work with the gentleman in making sure fish and wildlife lives up to its responsibilities but i
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disagree with the amendment. the mexican wolf is the most endangered wolf species in the world. it's estimated there are approximately 97 wolves in the wild. biologists believe when the mexican wolf population returns to a healthy number, it will restore balance to the southwest ecosystem by keeping deer, elk, and other prey populations strong by preventing overpopulation an overgrazing of habitats. reintroduction of wolves into yellowstone, for example, demonstrate house top predators balance nature. elks in yellowstone are nor wary, the beavers have come back, and the presence of wolves have led to fewer coyotes which boosted other populations of animals. i have been in yellowstone and i have seen the stream recovery and things i have spoken of.
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i've seen the recovery happen. in the southwest, scientists expect similar benefits to wildlife. this amendment would prohibit the service from managing wolves in the wild including the capture and removal of problem wolves and assisting livestock producers to manage wolf livestock conflicts such as using radio collars and hazardous techniques. i oppose the gentleman's amendment, it would undermine the ability to work collaboratively with ranchers. i hear you clearly say they need to do a better job with that. i agree we need to do the best job we can. but we need to be able to make sure that the e.s.a. compliance to protect private citizens from taking violations, a third party could sue them. o by your amendment you expose citizens from violations under section 9 of d.s.a. and the third party then could
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be sued. it would prohibit any efforts to prevent conflicts with wolves or update the recovery plan as i agree probably needs to be updated. so it's clear as you can see that i think we should be supporting fish and wildlife service in its efforts to manage this imperiled species and not block the agency from doing its job. i urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment and i reserve the plans of my time. the chair: the gentlelady reserves. mr. gosar: how much time do i have left? the chair: one minute. mr. gosar: i'm from wyoming and i actually had to endure and watch what fish and wildlife service actually erroneously did with introducing the nonnative wolves into yellowstone park area. it made super packs of wolves and cost them 60% of the moose herd. so i'm verying very aware of
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this. this amendment will not force the wolf into extinction. they're going extinct because of the fish and wildlife service. states have proven better at species conservation and management that the the -- than the bloated bureaucracy and the only way they respond is through frivolous lawsuits. 90% of the mexican's wolf's historic range is in new mexico. arizona and new mexico want the ability to manage the wolf in the united states. it's lingered on the endangered species act for 0 years and will go extinct at the rate the fish and wildlife is doing something. with that, i yield back. the chair: the gentleman yields. the gentlelady is recognized. ms. mccollum: thank you, mr. chairman. i would like to point out that the mexican woolf is the most endangered subspecies of all wolves in the world. the population is now estimated approximately 97 wolves in the wild. so i believe we should be supporting fish and wildlife service in its efforts to manage
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the imperiled species not blocking the agency from doing its job. i urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment. the chair: the gentlelady yields back. the question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from arizona. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair the ayes have it. ms. mccollum: i would request a roll call. the chair: pursuant to clause 6 of rule 18, further proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from arizona will be postponed. it is now in order to consider amendment number 79, printed in house report 114-683. for what purpose does the gentleman from pennsylvania seek recognition? mr. perry: thank you, mr. speaker. i have an amendment at the desk, number 79. the chair: the clerk will designate the amendment. the clerk: amendment number 79, printed in house report 114-683, offered by mr. perry of pennsylvania. the chair: pursuant to house les lution 820, the gentleman from
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pennsylvania, mr. perry, and a member opposed ill -- will each control five minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from pennsylvania. mr. perry: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. perry: this amendment prevents the department of interior and the e.p.a. from using in-house agency assets and specifically their agency owned and operated land survey, mapping and images and other such remote activities. you may have heard that last month the federal aviation administration, f.a.a., announced that the small new u.a.s., unmanned aerial systems, rule part 107 including all pilot and operating rules, will be effective on august 29 of this year. that's important because that will allow commercial activity in the u.a.s. arena, not just government act tiffity. perhaps no new technology in history will revolutionize the aerial surveying and mapping community like unmanned aerial
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systems. the benefits of commercial and private u.a.s. are incalculable. what used to be considered toys are quickly becoming powerful commercial tools that provide enormous benefits in terms of safety and efficiency. when u.a.s. are performing missions connected to surveying and mapping areas for stewardship decisions and public policy, society is only just beginning to realize the full potential of the unmanned aerial system. indeed, the demand for u.a.s. for business purposes has been far-reaching and continues to grow. u.a.s. technology is already bringing substantial benefits to people's daily lives. the timely acquisition of geospatial data is critical to assessment, realtime decision making and mitt fwation during and immediately following both natural and manmade disasters including earthquakes, tornadoes, blizzards, floods, volcanic eruptions, infrastructure disasters including collapsed bridges,
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buildings, dams, ruptured pipelines, various types of terrorist incidents and emergency blew tarp surveys to support post-disaster response. there's a concern that agencies like the usgs and the bureau of land management are requiring unman -- acquiring unmanned aerial systems and regularly utilizing them on projects that can be accomplished by the private sector, directly competing with the private sector. the as a result a loss of business for the private sector under contract to other federal mapping agencies. government is getting a leg up on the private sector by obtaining certificates of authorization or c.o.a.'s which are required to fly the u.a.s. and performing services with u.a.s. that are otherwise commercial in nature. currently, this there is no effective enforcement or oversight to prevent government abuse of such authority for commercial purposes. the fact that government agencies can operate a u.a.s. while the private sector cannot as freely or timely gain air space access has created an
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uneven playing field. allowing the department of interior to use u.a.s. in direct competition with private sector is not only poor stewardship of taxpayer money but also an inefficient use of resources and results in the government duplicating and directly competing with private enterprise which is something that we don't seek to do. so with that, i reserve the balance. the chair: the gentleman reserves. for what purpose does the gentleman from california seek recognition? mr. calvert: i rise in opposition. the chair: the gentleman is recognized. mr. calvert: i agree there are many other implications in this amendment, i'm going to speak about how this would affect the ability to fight wild fires. so far this year, wildland fires have burned more than 2.3 million acres. certainly in my state, california, we have some unfortunately some significant fires going on right now. actually right now, throughout the united states, we have 16 active large fires.
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now, i can -- we can get in a policy decision of whether or not we should be contracting out utilization of these -- this new technology to the private sector. i tend to agree with you, i think it's better use of taxpayers' money toverl to contract this out. this is more of an authorizing decision than it is an appropriating decision. i would hope that the authorizers would meet and make the policy on how we should do this. but right now as we sit here today unmanned aircraft systems are being used by fire managers and fire crews right now. and we need to make sure that we ensure the safety of these fire crews and protect the communities to the best of their ability. this technology has moved rapidly, this is the way they use to find the hot spots, be able to use communications with aerial vehicles to drop the
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water or chemical on the fire more effectively, more efficiently, and we may be able to do this with a private contractor but right now we're -- we don't know who is the best trained and so forth and again, we're the appropriating committee. we pay the bills. and i think that the policy, because of this technology, the authorizing committees need to set policy on this and start working on doing this and start doing that through their regular order. so right now, i would oppose this amendment, our fire crews right now need this equipment. i wouldn't take that away from them. i reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman is recognized. mr. perry: i reserve. the chair: the gentleman reserves. mr. calvert: i have the right to close on this if the gentleman wants -- the chair: the gentleman from california has the right to
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close. ms. mccollum: last year i rose in opposition to this amendment because it failed to account for the department's need to utilize unmanned systems in times of emergency. so let me give you a couple of examples, and we had a conversation that i was hoping that when i saw the amendment this year you may have made accommodation for this. hese remote it allows for the department to look at natural disasters. the department and usgs are monitoring the spread of wildfires, monitoring riverbank erosion and cuggets waterfall surveys. i think the chairman said it best, we need to have the authorizing committee look at this because i think the gentleman would agree there are times when good things can be done,

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