tv Representative Frank Wolf Deliver Remarks on Religious Freedom in Nigeria CSPAN August 17, 2016 1:08am-2:26am EDT
that money, you find that in fact the poverty rate is down, but the problem is that honestly that is not what lyndon johnson was trying to accomplish when he watched the war and poverty. he wanted to shrink, not deal really would the symptom of poverty by giving people free stuff but by the root causes, meaning he wanted people to be self-sufficient and able to have an income above the poverty level without government assistance. you have to take anything lyndon johnson said with a grain of salt, but i think he actually meant that because his image of a good welfare program was a civilian conservation corps in the 1930's, or people went out to shovel dirt, move wheelbarrows to get stronger and healthier. he really wanted people to flourish in our society, not be perpetually dependent. by that measure, the war on poverty has spent a complete flop. people are no more
self-sufficient today or less self-sufficient than we started 50 years ago. that's why we need to change the way welfare is given in a way that helps, that combines with the positive energies of the recipient toward work and marriage, so that when you get a sin gistic effect of the poor and n helping themselves the government reinforcing and complementing that positive activity, rather than displacing it and saying, go home, we have a free something for you. >> bruce ney even r, would you like to say anything in conclusion? >> i thank my colleagues have said things quite well. i am happy to leave it there. >> robert, anything? >> no, i think we have had the great discussion. >> thank you for cosponsoring with this today and thank you for being here. we will have lunch, for those in attendance, out in the hall
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before i introduce our speaker, i just want to call your attention to several upcoming events. after tonight, you get the rest of august off. in september, the first two speakers will be muslims, who are going to help us understand how, within the muslim frame of mind, islamism can be defeated. the first speaker is going to be a doctor from phoenix, arizona to talk about a muslim blueprint. eptember 14, from sudan, a speaker talking about how you diagnose the islamist ideology. later in september, susan will be talking to us about north korea, human rights, and
religious freedom. tonight, i am so thrilled and privileged to be able to introduce to you the honorable frank wolf, who needs no introduction. i want to tell you two been quick things. out on the table is some literature from the initiative. you can sign up for a weekly newsletter written by congressman wolf on the subjects of religious freedom, and also, there is a flyer on igeria, "fractured and forgotten." this gives you the locale of many of the documents and subjects of nigeria. congressman frank wolf was widely acknowledged as the conscience of congress during his long service in the house of representatives. first elected in 1980, he left
congress at the end of his 17th term. in 2015, to focus exclusively on human rights and religious freedom. he is recently returned from a trip to nigeria. as you will now hear, congressman wolf continues to be an advocate for those who cannot speak for themselves. in january 2015, he was appointed the first ever wilson chair in religious freedom at baylor university. the same month, he joined at century initiative, a newly created religious group as a distinguished fellow. mostly congressman wolf was the author of the international religious century initiative, a newly created religious freed. please join me in welcoming congressman wolf, who is going to talk to us tonight about nigeria and religious freedom. [applause]
rep. wolf: thank you very much, and thank you very much for the invitation, and thank you for having here. bible has much to say about ppression and freedom. in luke 4:18-19, the spirit of the lord is on me because he has appointed me to preach good news to the poor. recovery of sight for the blind to release the oppressed. in ecclesiastes 4:1, i saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun. i saw the tears of the oppressed, and they had no comforter. power was on the site of their ppressors. it is undeniably that religious liberty them ethically is under assault. when i speak of religious liberty, i do so believing that this foundational right is not
to be confused with the 21st century notion of mere toleration, limited to freedom of worship. rather it is the ability to peacefully live out our faith in every aspect of our lives. it is on this issue that the sands are shifting so quickly. those that hold this first freedom dear are continual playing catch-up, always on the defensive, constantly seeding -- ceding ground. the main subject of my talk tonight will be about international religious freedom. we do our nation a disservice when we ignore what is appening in america. during my time in congress, i often reached out to chuck, for is advice and counsel. chuck wrote over the years, "i
am struck by chuck's foresight on the erosion of religious liberty. there is an excerpt in this book. i urge you to get the book if you can. he said i believe we are heading for a new dark ages with persecution coming to the church soon. now, it would be foolishness to suggest that the people of faith in america are even experiencing a modicum of the persecution faced abroad. that being said, despite the constitutional protections for religious freedom, it has historically enjoyed, the american experiment is daily being encroached upon. the former president of the u.s. conference of bishops predicts that "i expect to die in bed. my successor will die in rison. his successor will buy a martyr in the public square." a sober thought.
i would also say, as i get into the international aspect, we are seeing growing anti-semitism around the world, and we are seeing growing anti-semitism even on american college campuses. today, people of faith are under assault around the world rom china to iran, to egypt, from pakistan to vietnam, the persecution varies but the outcome is the same. harassment, theater, imprisonment, even death -- harassment, fear, imprisonment, even death simply because of what a person believes. i took a church in northern -- i took a trip to northern iraq with our president who founded our organization. the team went with the aim of reporting on the plight of iraqi christians. we had a number of christians and yassidis in my office. thousands of them were forcibly
displaced on the islamic state's murderous march across iraq. it was marked by the swift and unanticipated rise of isis. tikrit ter of days, fell. unspeakable brutality followed. a caliphate was declared. christians were told to leave and if they stayed, to convert, pay, or die. men were killed and women and children were bought, sold, raped, and tortured. religious freedom suffered a devastating blow. the people told me of a number of girls who had been assaulted by americans fighting for isis. a young girl came into my office and said the person who had bought her was an american citizen. he used to show her pictures of his wife and children back in he states.
the august heat when they were forced from their homes changed to the winter cold. christmas was not celebrated in ancient churches and monasteries and convents as it had been for millennia. it was a makeshift camp, at one of the world's oldest christian communities, marked this holy day. t is worth noting, as we think in terms of iraq, the rich biblical heritage contained in these lands, with the exertion of israel, the bible contains more references to the city's, regions, and nations of ancient iraq than any other country in the world except for israel. the patriarch, abraham, came rom southern iraq. my first trip during the war, they said this is the site of abraham's village. they took us to the village.
we saw the ziggurat. aac's wife rebecca came from northwest iraq. 12 tribes of israel were born in northwest iraq. a markable spiritual revival of nineva, urred in resent day held by isis. and about one year ago, you saw the pictures of the tomb blown up by isis. daniel in the lines then. both daniel and ezekiel are buried in iraq and too many is said to bring christianity to the land. village.little a phrase not heard outside the middle east, first is the saudi people and then the sunni people. 150,000 people in 1948. when i asked, there are fewer
than 10 elderly jewish individuals living there. one person said, perhaps only four jewish individuals left. in 2003, iraq's christian population numbered 1.5 million. today, at roughly 250,000, and the catholic priest told me today perhaps only 200,000 remain. others immigrated to the west. 17 christian families leave iraq every day. in six years, a report came into england saying if the west does not do anything, there will be no christians left in christendom. many of those who remain have become involuntary nomads in their own lands, displaced one,
two, even three times. over the fall mosul, iraqi christians have nowhere else to run. with notable exceptions, the church in the west has not been seized with a crisis facing the hurch in iraq or in the middle east in syria, or in egypt. the cardinal has spoken out very strongly. i appreciate it. russell moore has spoken out, rich moore has spoken out, franklin graham has spoken out. overall, there has been a relative silence on the part of the church in the west. hen asked, every person we met within iraq expressed abandonment. one dominican sister, sister diana, said, mr. wolf, does the church in the west care about us?
they cannot comprehend while burning churches, forced conversions is not being met with urgency and action by the fellow believes in the west. congress passed a resolution called a seven side. secretary kerry has called it genocide and yet almost nothing has been done since. when we were in iraq, we met with a man whose wife had breast cancer in a little camp n a little school. he had a young boy with him, two young boys. one had gone to san diego and the other was living in turkey. he told the story that his wife had cancer. when isis came in and took over his village and took over mosul, they went there for treatment for his wife's breast cancer. isis said we will not give your wife treatment for breast cancer unless she converts, unless she denies christ. it struck me.
here is a man and woman who will not deny christ go back to the village and she dies. we all know the story of peter. when you go to israel, you can look down and see peter's house. peter ate with jesus there. peter saw jesus walk on the water. peter saw the miracles of jesus, and yet, peter denied jesus three times. a construction worker and his wife in iraq do not deny. the wife died. they spoke with great conviction about their abiding belief in god's goodness, and faithfulness, despite the suffering. most at that time wanted to stay in iraq. with evil unleashed in the land, they remained true disciples. jesus of nazareth had much to say about the persecuted, oppressed, and imprisoned. is the west today burdened by this great injustice of religious persecution?
does our government care? not because we are driven by guilt, but motivated by our concerns by people, by our faith. not because of some tired obligation, but because of a vibrant mandate that we have always cared for people who are being persecuted of all different denominations, of all faiths. nigeria is the most populated nation in africa. in february of this year, she set the trip up for us and was with us. you can find that report, four of us went. the report is on a webpage. standwithnigeria.org. we brought to america one of the mothers, one of the girls was
kidnapped by boko haram. we spoke with the american embassy, but we did not use the american embassy to travel through the country. we met with representatives from nine states in the north. we travel to spend several hours with them, sharing stories and documentation the persecution. much of our time, it was spent in the surrounding areas, often referred to as the middle. we listen to hundreds of individuals and small villages in remote areas, miles and miles off of the main road. we talked to tribal leaders, pastors, mothers and fathers, as well as government officials, and at the end, our own american embassy.
we heard about the pain, suffering, the agony that the people of northern and southern nigeria have faced and continue at this very time to face. many believe in central and northern nigeria that the world is not concerned with their problems. it is clear that the crisis plaguing nigeria is multifaceted, but one that must be addressed by the nigerian government, but also by our government and by western governments in the entire international community. corruption in nigeria, one significant issue that we saw everywhere was corruption. it is in the government at the federal level, at the state level. it is in the businesses, it is in the military. one cannot enter or leave the country without raising its insidious head.
transparency international ranks nigeria 136 out of 168 countries. that is in the bottom 20% of all nations. it is a very corrupt place. given the population size, and economic output, this means a vast number of people have to suffer the justice of corruption. poverty, despite the fact that according to the latest available data from the world bank, nigeria is the richest country in africa, yet there is immense poverty, unemployment is a huge issue. it has been increasing since 2005, and now stands well over 20%. the falling oil prices are hitting the economy broadly and the percentage of people living in poverty on less than $1.90 per day. it is clearly in -- it had clearly increased since then. terrorism, according to the 2015
global terrorism index, more than half, 51%, of all global debts were committed either by boko haram or the islamic state. nigeria has experienced the largest increase in terrorist deaths in 2014 to 2015. nine of the top of the most fatal terrorist attacks in 2014 occurred in nigeria. the deadliest terrorist organizations in the world, according to the number killed, our number one, but boko haram -- are number one, but boko haram. number two is the islamic state. boko haram and isis has signed an agreement with each other. number three is al shabaab in nigeria. the first most dangerous has an agreement of allegiance to the
second-most dangerous, isis. boko haram, terrorism and violence continues for the well-known terrorist group whose name means western education is for bid and. -- is forbidden. boko haram killed 6664 nigerians and 14. that's more than isis and anywhere else in the world. that makes boko haram a single month most deadly terror organization in the world. in a recent report refugees international, reportedly 2000 have been killed in total as a result of the insurgency. in 2015, boko haram pledged
allegiance to isis. this affiliation means boko haram is now part of that organization's declarations of war against the nigerian government. boko haram conducts drive-by shootings and use its younger old as suicide bombers. they target politicians and clerics for assassination, focusing on symbols of western advancement such as schools and hospitals and churches, and also mosques. no one has an exact number. thousands of young girls have been abducted by boko haram. according to the washington post, young girls and women have been raped but released by boko from face extreme scimitars and -- by boko from face extreme stigmatizing by their communities. they are the victims face.
when captured and when they are released and when they are returned to the community. in april this year, we commemorated the two-year anniversary of the kidnapping of the girls. despite the loud protests in the west and the "bring back our girls" campaign championed by prime minister cameron in england, it is doubtful that any of the girls have been released. about a month and a half ago, one walked away. she explained what was taking place. in some respects, i know the attention was well-meaning, #bringbackourgirls basically put a price on the heads of these girls. it would've been better to say nothing perform a statement and then done everything he possibly
can to find them rather than putting a #bringbackourgirls and not doing much to bring them back. when chancellor told us at the girls went been captured me never return without a major concerted effort by the nigerian government and the west. when they do, they will have been the victims of sexual violence, and are oftentimes pregnant or will have a child, and all will have been forced to convert to islam. only one has returned. she said six have died and the rest are life. we brought one of the moms here. we brought her on capitol hill to explain and plead for the western governments to do something with regard to bringing back the girls. the militant herdsman, unfortunately, boko haram is not the only violent organization that place nigeria.
there are also militants by all must had heard nothing about before visiting nigeria. some of these herdsman have a more radical version of islam. this has impact on the predominantly christian farming communities. a global terrorism index has identified them as the fourth most deadly terrorism organization in the world. nigeria has the first and the fourth most dangerous terrorist groups impacting the people of nigeria, particularly the middle belt in northern nigeria. we were in nigeria. a village was attacked and 200 to 300 people were killed over a sustained today to three-day attack.
the attackers did not -- two day to three-day attack. sophisticated resupply systems were used. they said they used helicopters. two helicopters came and appeared they had motorized boats. attacks like this go well beyond the so-called settler-herder conflict. the fulani militants killed -- due to the violence from groups like boko haram and the fulani militants, there are thousands of misplaced people scattered across the -- displaced people scattered across the country. it was the worst i have seen in any country. according to recent estimates,
there are 2.1 million people internally displaced and more have fled to neighboring countries. unofficially, there are about 5 million or even more have been displaced. we have been told that 90% of the idp's are dispersed among villages and outside cap's. >> -- outside camps. they are unable to access even limited government services. "nigeria is our biggest failure. this alliance on the ground. i believe that a special envoy for nigeria in the region can be a strategic benefit because many of the problems involving nigeria also involve the surrounding countries. such a position can be modeled after senator danforth with
regard to sudan or the special envoy of religious minorities in the middle east and south central asia." i think what they are doing is an indication that a special envoy for nigeria and the lake chad district can do. our organization has taken the lead and asked the president and secretary kerry to appoint a special envoy. we have recommended an individual for our congressmen, tony hall, a democratic member of the house, served on the house foreign affairs committee, was well thought of by members of both sides of the aisle, was an ambassador, has been in all most all the countries of africa, and i feel that if something dramatic like this is not done come september, it will not be done.
at the close of any administration, people are beginning to look for other jobs, the buildings begin to empty out. i think it's important that the president of somebody like this. 42 groups and individuals join us when the letter to the international religious freedom roundtable -- we are grateful to the roundtable for their help and for every group that took the time to sign this and many more have done additional letters after they saw the interview with the grandmother that was in the new york times -- girl-mother that was in the new york times. they transcend the bordering countries. special envoy could coordinate the necessary assistance throughout the region in cameroon, chad, and other countries in the region. there will be a one-stop place. where do we go when we talk about the idp's? a one-stop help us coordinate
and help the people of nigeria have a contact in our government. military assistance, u.s. military and all the western nations should use all possible assistance to help the nigerian government combat terrorism. help with training the military and police on human rights. when we were in columbia, we would hear stories of the military, abuse by the military. our military did it an excellent job. we need our military who did a great job to train the nigerian military on human rights and religious freedom. the challenges that face nigeria are great, however i believe, it is my belief that the united states and other western nations, we have a vested interest in confronting one of the worst crisises of our day. why did we care about nigeria? we care about people, mr. wolf,
but why nigeria? the people of nigeria are suffering. there are facing some of the most unbelievable terrorist attacks. bono and knowledge that the situation in africa and nigeria, if it continues to devolve, it will have to be an existential list threat to europe -- existentialist threat to europe. germany, france, and other parts, there were 25 million people in syria and we have seen the impact. the population of nigeria is 180 million. we are already seeing reports of refugees crossing the mediterranean from nigeria from cameroon and other places.
it's a quarter of the 180 million or more, not counting the surrounding countries, pour out more to europe, it will be an existentialist threat. it is my hope that this crisis will be elevated to the place that it deserves. many other countries, human rights violations and persecution of people because of their faith. pakistan, christian woman has been sentenced to death, not charged with death, sentenced to death and has been in prison for six years for blasphemy, for taking a drink of water out of a cup. in the west, the west is just silent. a friend of mine, a catholic member of the parliament, which i do urge our government and their government to give a bulletproof car, when he advocated for christians, for
all denominations. he was a catholic member. the only christian member of the cabinet was gunned down coming out of his mother's house. the west was just relatively silent. in china, china, we see the recent nba decision to cancel the all-star game in charlotte over north carolina's bathroom law. yet the nba plays basketball games in beijing and shanghai. there are catholic bishops under house arrest, and one of the finest, was made congress took holy communion from bishops. the nobel prize winner who won the nobel prize, his wife was not allowed to leave china to go to norway to collect the prize. chinese lawyers have been
arrested and drove to -- they are suffering and being persecuted over and over and over. in the late 90's, i snuck into tibet, where you see what they have done by repressing and there is a prison there and the number of tibetan monks have been sent to prison, 130 tibetan monks and nuns have kerosene on their bodies and set their bodies aflame in protest to the chinese government. yet the nba is going to continue to have games in beijing. the sales of organs for $50,000 to $60,000. you can go over and say in a three-star hotel, they take your blood type, and they then go into the prison and test others and find somebody with your
blood type and kill them. i have pictures. they brace them up. they are taking up the kidney. and the nba is going to continue games in beijing and shanghai? cyber attacks. the number of companies in this region for being hit by cyber attacks, i would venture to guess the nba's website and computers have also been attacked. opm, the chinese have all of your records from 1980 up until last year. and then we see, we see the chinese purchasing movie theaters. amc and hollywood production some places in hollywood.
as there are purchasing these, do you think that richard gere will ever be looking do a movie about the persecution in china, seven years in tibet? the chinese government will shut them down. when asked, the head of the nba said, "it is just a business deal, just the business deal." as i said earlier, i would be foolish, it would be foolishness to suggest that people of faith in america are experiencing even a modicum of the persecution that places like iraq, nigeria, syria, china. despite the cost additional protections religious freedom has historically enjoyed, it's a good standing in the american
experiment is daily being encroached upon. i am convinced that as a decay more than faceless, nameless victims in distant wars and hard to pronounce prison cells, and as we commit to no other stories, weeping at their wounds, fair and advocacy, we will find ourselves. we are clear-eyed about the times, these encounters will make our own faith, belief, feelings, more robust and strengthen us for the days ahead. dr. martin luther king. if you have not read it lately, read dr. king's a letter from a birmingham jail. it should be mandatory reading.
in the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends. are we not the friends of those being persecuted of all denominations, all faiths around the world? "silence in the face of evil is evil itself." he said not to speak is to speak. not to act is to ask. i think we should speak, i think we should act. i am going to show you two very short films. one, nigeria, the other, a broader basis. [applause]
[indiscernible] distrust breeds. violence goes unpunished. since 2010, boko haram has targeted schools. they murdered their prisoners. [indiscernible] the same number of people in los angeles which are simply displaced. in 2014, boko haram kidnapped 276 girls from school and almost all are still missing. they has caused 1500 schools to
close and 950,000 children are without an education, which perpetuates the cycle of violence and threatens the future. [indiscernible] >> all of this has created one of the worlds most neglected humanitarian crises. we have sent a team to document the atrocities and raise awareness with churches in the west.
>> the whole world listens. when killings are taking place in northern nigeria, it is one little blip on the news. >> the government should protect us. those who come to attack sometimes are dressed in military uniform, and also come with military hardware. at the end of the day, you are a victim to your enemies, just like a villager.
>> u.n. of was quoted saying "nigeria is our biggest failure." >> among all the hopelessness is hope. leaders, organizations, and education must continue our standing in the gap. will you stand with nigeria? find out more. go to standwithnigeria.org. rep. wolf: this next one is a true story. i think it will be clear what it is about.
>> i think congressman wolf will take some questions now. >> yes, sir? >> i'm a practicing hindu. one of my interests has seem to follow the -- of christians in the majority of muslim countries. they had hearings and commissions and talks and papers. more christians are being killed and persecuted and the end result is not any better. it has gotten worse. my question to you, sir, is what will motivate western countries, especially the u.s.? rep. wolf: i think we have a moral obligation to advocate for any group that is being persecuted because of their beliefs.
i was the chairman of the muslim caucus on capitol hill. i led the effort to -- the arms embargo for the muslims. when the war was fighting, i went down to chechnya to advocate for people. i think we've seen two things, the breakdown. this used to be a bipartisan issue. president reagan, scoop jackson, and tom lantos. the words in the declaration of independence were a covenant not only with the people of philadelphia in 1776 and 1787, but a covenant with the entire world. that covenant has been relatively shredded. everything that take place in government, particularly in congress is downstream from culture. if the congress is not hearing
from the culture, from the public about this issue, it ceases to be an issue. the genocide resolution passed and it was wonderful. i appreciate secretary kerry speaking out. since that time, nothing has been done. i think the church needs to advocate, all the dominations have to advocate. we in the west are just singing a little louder and drowning out the cries. the fact that the culture and the public is not rising up. we do not have ronald reagans and henry hydes. >> you did not mention the effects, if any, from the u.s. commission on religious freedom. what are they doing? rep. wolf: i think they are doing a good job.
i think the ambassador is one of the finest appointments that you could possibly have. i strongly supported his appointment. when we put together the commission back in the 1990's, he was part of the group. the head of the national association of evangelicals thus together. once the commission was set up, the ambassador was actually on the commission. it is probably the best appointment that could possibly have been made. unfortunately, they had other ones in their that were not really good and then you had -- in there that were not really good. there was a long period of time where nothing was really passing. a bill stalled in the senate that gives the ambassador more staff and power, more authority, makes his credentials greater in
the state department i think the commission and the ambassador have done a relatively good job. they need more power. >> we heard them five or six years ago, but i have not heard anything, seen anything in the press, any of their actions. rep. wolf: biggest about a report three days ago. -- they just put out a report three days ago. the former chairman, robbie george, is probably one of the finest guys you can have. katrina, the daughter, has spoken out. they have advocated. there has not been in the culture, the average member of congress is not getting telephone calls and letters and e-mails about this issue. for the church to speak out and it motivate the culture to move the administration. the commission, and the ambassador, they are both good people. >> the commission has a newsletter.
if you go to their website, it is daily, they are doing tremendous things in the press, five to eight stories daily around the world. the new york times and washington post are not covering them. i would encourage everyone to google them. it is free to sign-up. it is one of the best ways you can do to keep abreast of all these things. >> in the back. >> in many ways, the pope has not always spoken out. he's not spoken out against the genocide. much of the church in the western world seems to be asleep. there is sometimes great awakenings as well, in history, particularly the church in america. what does it take to do that
change in culture? what is the next step back and make that happen? rep. wolf: pope francis was one of the first to speak out and call what was taking place in iraq genocide. every time we went to the villages, they always said pray for us. i think you need an awakening in the church. when i see that film, i have seen that film 25 times. i get emotional when i see the film. when i walk in the camps with sister diana, the media is not covering it, i think the church leadership, we need in the church today, we need more martin luther kings, more people like this. if you read chuck olson's book he lays out where this is going. the church has to provide the leadership. whether it is a public opinion
idea, the american people would be motivated. remember the song simon and garfunkel sang called the boxer? a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest? we are disregarding the rest and the church is silence. >> can i ask you, in northern nigeria or the other places in the muslim areas of the world, did you hear about saudi influences? rep. wolf: absolutely. if you read looming tower, the writer writes that the saudis funded -- i have been on that
border and have seen it. if you read the new york times, about six weeks ago, nicholas kristof, we would never vote for the same candidate, but he goes places no one will go. he talked about the saudi influence. it was so modern. you see the saudi influence in albania. you have the saudi academy with anti-christian and anti-semitic text in the textbook. i think the saudi's have been the creators of a lot of these problems. it came up when we were there. at the end of every meeting i would ask, who is helping isis? i get the same answer.
the saudi's, qatar, and turkey. turkey was allowing -- you could fly to istanbul, reposition and the turks were allowing people to come in through all over the world to cross the border to come in and fight with isis. the saudi's. look and see who they have on representation here in washington. i personally believe what you need is a major study. i think their string is running out. they are having deep problems. they have come up over and over. read looming tower.
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it is individuals and churches. >> we have heard disturbing reports recently of the treatment of christians in iraq by kurdish groups seemingly with the ok from kurdish authorities. rep. wolf: we had somebody from the christian community -- they are being pressured by the kurds. it is not a black and white issue. the kurds took the weapons away from the yazidis. the other side of the coin, it is the point of the spear over there now. we have failed because we are not giving them aid.
we went to the front lines with them. the weapons are old. the equipment is old. america has not embraced them as they are. they are the point of the spear. if we put more training, more assistance, more human rights training, our military did a tremendous job in human rights training. we have to do the same thing. they have done some amazing things. it is a dangerous neighborhood. they have done some things to yazidis thatd the are not very good.
>> they are having issues because they are the wrong muslims. you can't go over there with a crucifix on your neck. they are building mosques here. who knows what they are doing. they are going against our government and they want sharia law. rep. wolf: there are some reports of saudi money helping. >> [indiscernible] >> thank you all for coming and thank you for having me. [applause] >> thank you, congressman wolf. a great honor and pleasure to have you here. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming. join us september 8. [applause]
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