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better zimbabwe but into the hopes of every other nation around the world. so our hope is that they may start to really see the story for what it is on the ground and treat this government the way it needs to be treated. come to us and they say to us you are wanted for questioning, and they are the first ones to, and ask for money. as an ordinary citizen, it confuses me. it confuses me. questionanswered this correctly, but my point is the imf and the world bank should no longer turn a blind eye. credibility, and they lose our support as zimbabwe citizens. this government can no longer have people hide. it is not the age for people to allow more and more life to be lost. we are longing for people that have got a different view, that can stand up and say, "this is unjust, it is not right, it won't be tolerated, and we are
not going to be hoodwinked into towing the line." i hope i have answered that. [applause] i think theire: other one is what we doing about -- a wonderful question. thank you so much. good to see you. about whatre asking will make the next elections free and what hope is there of a change of government? pastor mawarire: the one thing we found is that the rigging machinery in zimbabwe is difficult for any citizen to go and physically dismantle. i mean, like you've said, we have had elections done over the years, we have had monitors come in over the years. that is one thing we have found. i know we have found. we have found each other, and the one thing we know is that if we mobilize enough people and to be zimbabweans
prepared to vote in the upcoming election, then the change will be undeniable. one of the things i am pushing for zimbabweans as we go to the election is for us to have overwhelming participation in the election. something that is undeniable because that is the only tool that we have -- the numbers. if we can overwhelm the system with sheer numbers. what this means is going forward, and i know that many of the movements have started, we should now start to talk about voter registration to make sure that everybody goes to register to vote. we should not stop talking about why it is important for you to protect the votes, why it is important for you to make sure your neighbor votes, but that is nothing without the opposition politics because i think my understanding -- our understanding as citizens, whatever change happens in a zimbabwe, it is a political vehicle.
we are now looking at the opposition politics, and we wake up, we are united, we need you to take advantage of our unity. you be so that we no longer present this fragmented front. one frontt have that is united? everybody will get behind it. it will be overwhelming. mark my words. you are going to see something happen in zimbabwe that robert his government never, ever thought they would see, an overwhelming turnout of people coming to silence and make their decision. the thing is, they are expecting a fight. it would be done so simply and so swiftly. those two things for me, number one, encouraging our opposition to become number one united and
the inspiring people that can capture the citizens, and i know that is happening. and number two, to just mobilize, mobilize, mobilize. people are asking me the question well, what next? what is next is that we speak some more. we do not have enough people. we have to have more and more and more people getting onto a movement, getting a chance to spread their voice because what we are doing is activating voters. we are activating agents of change. so we cannot stop, those that have been doing it longer have to do it even longer because we have people that are not yet on board. and when 2018 comes, by a miracle, something different happening, when 2018 comes, this will be the most exciting election that any zimbabwean has ever taken part in. [applause] chloe: so we will finish up with that last question about whether
you draw inspiration and if you are going to reach out for some support. pastor mawarire: i'm so glad we talked about desmond cho. that is a towering factor when it comes -- figure when it comes to democracy and justice, and i inspiration from him. the bishop at to the church where desmond tutu bishop. i reaching to as many men and women who up and icons of freedom and justice around the world. i met a young man yesterday who gave me some amazing insight into zimbabwe, which he loves
very much. he knows a lot about zimbabwe. he was involved in the negotiations in the 1970's -- in terms of zimbabwe becoming what it is today. so definitely i am reaching out as much as i can to be able to learn lessons and draw inspiration. i think it is something that every zimbabwean has got to do, even reach back into our own liberation. there are so many men and women that over the years, some of the -- some of them thought they were frauds like the men and women who lead our country today, but so many of women that laid their lives down, the ideals they had -- these are inspirations for zimbabweans, and zimbabweans have got to
understand again that as much as we have heroes and people we can look too, a lot of the heroes that we are looking for is locked up in you and me. it is me. i'm the 1 -- it is amazing that the only people who have been able to bring the kind of change that we are looking for are the citizens of zimbabwe. so definitely we will do that. chloe: thank you so much. [applause] peter: thank you, chloe, for monitoring the situation, and thank you, pastor evan. pastor mawarire: we just allow me hear'am, please let your question. please forgive me, she started a long time ago, and i must hear. ok, i am a pastor just like you. my question is --the zimbabwean
nstitution gives sweeping powers to force is not only to be confined to barracks but to inively be involved everything else they do internally and externally. how are you going to work that out? pastor mawarire: thank you again for that question. you know, when citizen number one mentioned your name and said that people like me do not belong to zimbabwe, and then he gives a speech and says, "people i can should be dealt with," you know safety will not be guaranteed. but something i learned the day i came out of court, which is a lesson that sticks with me a long time, and a lesson that i'm
trying to teach our citizens when i can, that our security when we rise up against the government, when we rise up as individuals or within the group, our secure areas within the citizens. it is you and i that look after each other. reasons i was not redirected on that fateful june 13 evening is that i was released straight into a crowd of about 4000 people. you cannot take me from 4000 people. but this is the thing is that now we have to develop a counter an and justice to one is an injustice to all. have a citizen in jail for something right now that she did not do. keep showing up to her hearings, they keep going to stand for her, they keep making noise about her, so we ask each other -- so we are each other's security.
and if we ever let anyone stand up alone, we will never see the kind of change that we want to see. [applause] applause]d thank all of you for joining us today, both those in the room and those joining us through our live webcast. please continue to follow this particular conversation at #acafricacenter. please join me in thanking for his passion, his commitment, his vision, and for inspiring all of us within ourselves, each and every one of heroesat we are the that we are looking for and that the world needs. thank you very much. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute,
atlantic council event on activism and the government zimbabwe, you will be able to watch it again, it will be available on or what i, that's on our website, c-span.org. -- on our website, c-span.org. julius garvey, the son of civil rights leader marcus garvey, announces his intention to seek a presidential pardon for his father's mail fraud convention. that is at the national press club here in washington at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. coming up later today, the urban institute hosts a housing finance policy discussion with current and former industry experts and consultants. p.m. alsobe at 6:00 here on c-span. we have been following a number of members of the house and senate in their states and districts in the august break.
congress coming back on tuesday, september 6. members have been -- many of their- very active in districts. unfortunately, some of had to deal with natural disasters -- all fires in california and of course the massive flooding in louisiana. today, one tweets from cedric richmond, who represents the second congressional district in louisiana, concerning unemployment for those who may have been thrown out of their jobs because of the flooding, he tweets today -- "applying for emergency unemployment benefits? don't know where to start? use the guide below to help!" that to showses where to get unemployment in louisiana. also this tweet from charles boustany, who represents the third district in louisiana, this tweet in the last several
hours with one of his several meetings down there, "met with acadia parish office of emergency preparedness in crowley today." that again from charles boustany. newspaper headlines from louisiana today, coverage of the flooding there, this from the " baton rouge post," flooding in louisiana, this one from "beauregard daily news," and this one from "the advertiser," more coverage in houma, from --a as the kernels colonels from the football team help there. we also have coverage of wafb t v's website in louisiana. this is video from the baton rouge river center shelter where the southern university marching band was entertaining some of the folks who had been displaced by the flooding there. we will take a look.
who have been displaced, and many have cured we continue to follow our members of congress as they are involved in some of the emergency relief efforts, not only in louisiana but also in california as the day progresses here on c-span. coming up tonight here on c-span, at 8:00 eastern time, we will look at the tech crunch distro new york conference -- techcrunch disrupt new york conference. developers, venture capitalists, and activists from across the country to talk about the latest in the world of information technology. let me show you a preview with actor and writer bj novak, famous for the sitcom "the office." he appeared at the techcrunch. he describes his app. bj: there are already over 250,000 lists on the platform, see you can imagine the
different directions they go in when you have people trying different things. will, who many of you claim to not know of, she has a list of "how i prepare for work." someone, anyone in this room, hey, could you write me a quick essay on what it was like on your way to disrupt, they would be like, "oh, are you serious?" but if you ask, "hey, just list your thoughts on the way here," it is a little easier. we expected to be practical. hikes,list your favorite you are saying a lot about you, and that is what comes out in the margins even of a recommendation list. >> bj novak, one of the techcrunchs in disrupt new york on c-span. now on c-span, a conversation on inlennials and minorities
the 2016 election from today's "washington journal." host: terrell starr joins us from new york. he is national political correspondent at fusiomedia. mr. starr, first, what is fusion media, and who is the audience you write for? guest: fusion, where i am the national political correspondent -- we aim to target millennials. those people who are 18 to 35 generally. but younger people who are really looking for news that really addresses the issue that we care about. that goes to immigration, social justice. more importantly, we tend not to cover news from a traditional news or media standpoint. we tend to have a voice. we tend to write for an audience that is very open to lgbtq people. we address those issues more intensely. if that means going out to california to interview a
25-year-old porn star, or a condom referendum taking place methat state, or that means talking to a 25-year-old person who lost their rights in virginia because of all the voting rights issues, those are the type of people we address. it's people who you think are not important in the political process because they are not voting as often as their parents, but they are equally important because they are our future. and the views that they come with, the mindsets that they have right now are going to be those people who will be a powerful block in the future. host: you tend to have a voice in your writing. does that mean you tend to have an opinion in the stories you write? guest: absolutely. that's an interesting thing because when we talk about opinion, we talk about objectivity. this idea that if you voice your
opinion, then that means you are not separating yourself from the story, and i don't think that's really possible right now. anytime a human being goes out and reports a story, i have an 800-word count for a report that i am working on. i talked to five people. i make the choice of which quotes go in and which quote s don't make it. i think what's really important is the experience that our brain is experiencing. i think it is a level of expertise. one of the things that makes me passionate about the work i do , for example, particularly with criminal justice is i was born and raised in detroit, michigan, and i grew up in a home where both of my uncles sold drugs. i was handed a gun when i was 12 years old. i know with the negative impact would have the for me had i gone down that route or joined a gang. i know what took me out of those situations when i voice my opinion, i am not just saying something because i want my voice to be heard.
i'm interjecting my life experience because it is important to advance the quality of the stories i produced. host: let's talk about what you make of donald trump and his speech yesterday. "the washington times" with the headline, trump reaching out to blacks with law and order speech. saying that he put forward an agenda to restore law and order and revitalize inner city neighborhoods that says suffer from years of democrats. i want to show a short clip of his comments last night. [video clip] trump: we reject the bill or hillary clinton, which panders to and talks down to immunities communities of color and sees them only as votes. that's all they care about. not as individual human beings worthy of a better future. they have taken advantage. she doesn't care at all about the hurting people of this country or the suffering she has
caused them, and she, meaning she and her party officials. there has been tremendous suffering because of what they have brought. the african-american community has been taken for granted for decades by the democratic party. and look how they are doing. it's time to break with the failures of the past. offer americans a new and much better future. time for rule by the people not rule for special interest, which we have right now. that speech taking place in milwaukee. been rocked by violence in recent days. your thoughts on that speech? >> let's go into some aspects of you can kindthat of relate to and understand. think about los angeles.
think about a large number of major metropolitan cities that are run by democrats. a lot of these cities definitely do have issues with police violence. i know he wasn't talking about that specifically but i think it's very important. there are a lot of areas where black are in the majority as far as the voting block and democrats have been in power and have failed them. the real problem with that is, donald trump does not talk about institutional racism. he doesn't talk about white supremacy. he makes it a political issue that is germane to the democratic party when in fact, if you take my hometown of detroit, michigan for example, there is an area of the city called the black bottom. where people like my grandmother who migrated up into the major , there were specific areas in that city where black
people were pretty much told they had to live. when you think about economic inequality, underserved communities, this was issues of public policy that were passed down one administration to the next regardless of party. when donald trump talks about reaching out to black voters, he really has to discuss that. is most importantly he pulling so poorly with them because many people feel that he is xena phobic and quite frankly racist. that is consistent with the reporting we have been doing at fusion. it's actually very difficult to have conversations with him about race because you can't talk to his representative. i have tried to reach out to oma a, is director of african-american outreach. she has not made herself
available to any of my interview requests. i tried to speak to some of his leadership on his african-american council. his favorite black pastor has not made himself available. andering hard questions really specifying policy issues that will affect black people is something that is very difficult to get out of them. simply because i don't think they have the answers. byt: are you credentialed the trump campaign and the clinton campaign? guest: what do you mean by credentialed exactly? i go to the rallies and we reach out for comment and write stories. as far as credentials i can't say. host: in terms of fusion media overall, what is its relationship with univision? guest: basically we were bought by univision from abc news.
i don't reallyow do much with the business side of it. what i know is that right now we have a great opportunity to really reach out to the audience. young minorities. we are able to use the voice that we have on our own. it is tied specifically into univision because we are expanding th beyond latino viewers and we are expanding to african-americans. other minority groups. univision really gives us that leeway to tack onto the audience for us. host: we are talking about workn and terrell starr's as a national political correspondent. republicans, (202) 748-8001.
democrats, (202) 748-8000. (202) 748-8002. you are on with terrell starr. caller: good morning. concerningatement the free student tuition. i would just like to hear a response. i'm kind of fiscally conservative. what concerns me about the tuition other than the obvious of how it's going to be paid for off the bat is what's going to happen in the future. if you look at the labor reports we are obviously transitioning more into a technical driven economy. and what i think is going to happen here is the millennials are going to be taking those tech driven jobs.
and you are free tuition isn't going to actually be free because i think the taxes that are going to be increased on your wages are going to be taken out in taxes. if you pay that is off your tuition it is paid for and done with. forhey tax your tuition them paying for it originally, taxes are forever and that will be money out of your pocket forever until you retire. host: we got your point. on the issue of college tuition. guest: absolutely. aboutk before we talk this we have to talk about the initiatives carried out by president barack obama. one of the things he did a really good job of was investing in community college education. i was part of an afterschool learning program. somethingr of it said
to us as students i found really interesting. he said not everyone is going to go to college. i think we can modify it to say that, everyone might not want to get a four-year degree. go to a community college where you can get a particular skill, particularly with technology which is something the president has been aggressively pursuing, that will provide opportunities particularly for people of color and minority communities. urban cities like chicago, detroit, new york, philadelphia. he has been progressive about that even when he became president back in 2008. now you have hillary clinton and bernie sanders during the democratic primaries, the have slightly different goals. hillary clinton did not come out all the way for universal free education. she had a modified version were education would be covered to
a certain extent for public schools. i thinks the tax issue, people are still trying to figure out exactly how that would work. are goingoung people into debt because college education -- even our public institutions are increasing. a lot of that has to do with competition coming in, people who can just outright pay. i think education is something in this country that we as a nation, as an electorate from a political standpoint we really don't invest in a lot. think about the money that goes to public education at the state level. at the local level. i think that right now as far as the answer to that question people are definitely trying to figure out what is the best way
to pay for it. hillary clinton's proposal seems like it would the one that could possibly go a step further than bernie sanders because it seems more doable but we will see. host: surely is waiting for you in tallahassee, florida. a democrat. good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. appreciating the wonderful booktv and wonderful series we have with our wonderful c-span. host: what's your question? caller: in light of where we are with the 2016 campaign, and being that history and geography imprint, we now are living in a country where our millennials and are minorities have almost converged into the intersection of a really diversified country. and i think because of geography
and history of how land ownership and opportunity is bridged because of living in neighborhoods with better amenities and infrastructure and schools and therefore better opportunities, when i listen to the issues that are confronting our millennials and minorities words in anse two intersecting way. i think our millennials are living in one of the most diversified times in our history as it relates to class and mobile opportunity. and the history that has in fact created this class division that i felt happened with the viewing of the donald trump speech last night in wisconsin to an all-white audience. it was almost like reminding me of when ronald reagan went to philadelphia and mississippi to speak about a division that somehow saying now the headlines
that black people are being reached out to. it's actually an insult. because minorities and millennials, the intersecting group in society right now live -- i am 60. i teach at hbcu. guest: i went to a black school myself. caller: you understand what i'm speaking of. host: let's let him jump in. guest: absolutely. here's the thing about this campaign right, with donald trump. we have to accept the fact that donald trump represents a significant portion of the american electorate. that's the reality. and people have been saying donald trump is not a reflection of the republican party. that's what the gop leadership said. we are trying to point to different reasons why someone like him is able to say
disparaging comments about mexicans, muslims, black people, anyone who is not white, and why the more he talks the more popular he becomes. and we can only point to the fact that there is an appetite for that. and until america does a moral check, a post check on itself, then more people like him will be able to rise. donald trump is someone who has a goal and the audacity. i will say he was keen enough to check the pulse of many people in america who do believe that muslims, people who practice islam, are a threat to their national security. people who are born and raised here. people who are of mexican descent are those who are taking their job. there are people who genuinely believe that. about whyen we talk
this person is able to do so well, there is an important fact that we have to look at. trump winning. this campaign because there is simply not enough white people to vote for him. considering that you have enough black people who come out to to come they continue out in large numbers like they did in 2008, 2012. most minorities, black people, latino people, we can't forget about asians, people of arab descent. there are not enough people who are white and who are angry to vote for mr. trump. we're going to see in this election probably a dying breed of the white angry mail vote. that is something many republican politicians have been able to use. i don't see this happening in
2020, definitely not 2024. this should definitely be a wake-up call to the republican party to look at what types of values it holds. what types of people it will choose to represent its party. this is definitely a very troubling pulse check for the party. i think some people are definitely recognizing that but they don't know what to do because this is the election and people voted for trump. host: darrell has been waiting on the line for republicans. you are on with terrell starr. are you with us? you have to stick by your phone. kat is in los angeles, california. good morning. caller: good morning. this is an interesting conversation. we see the same issues being talked about by us in the black
community. we have been voting democrat for half a century. half a century. and look at our neighborhoods. look at our families. look at the lack of businesses in our community. and this diversification and multiculturalism is not -- it's like we don't understand the game of politics. we have been lied to all of our lives. the game of politics is a competition between resources, for resources between groups. it is an economic competition. we keep talking about social butice and civil rights, the competition is an economic competition. and here you have donald trump reaching out to black people and we continue to demonize him. i can understand, yes, but he
has not been appealing and that omarosa and his group hasn't responded to you. i would suggest you not give up. we have gotten nothing from the democratic party. guest: i will keep my hopes up. caller: you should keep your hopes up. i'm in the media business and i will continue to reach out for them. we get in writing his promises that he made last night. you get it in writing. host: what sort of work do you do? caller: i have a radio show. and i will continue to reach out to him. what is that notion that you continue to do the same thing over and over again for half a century and you expect good results? host: we will let terrell starr respond. guest: i definitely appreciate having conversations with black republicans. i would like to know why his campaign has not reached out to
her either. it goes back to the point -- mr. trump, many of his interactions with black people are very staged and coordinated. if he goes to black churches, he goes to a particular black church where it is not open to the public. i think with donald trump, his effort to appeal to black voters are pretty much -- they are not going to really make much of a difference because he has caused so much damage at this point. right? i want to cap onto another point about democrats and white like people overwhelmingly support this party. we have to recognize that with any voter, many people look at democrats and republicans of which evil am i going to negotiate with? black people vote for democrats because that's the party with which people generally feel they can negotiate.
my next question for anybody who wants to question black people's devotion to the democratic party is, what policies have republicans offered to black people to make them switch? 1950's, this is something i have strongly advised anyone to read the book called "the lonely black republican." i hope i have the name right. basically in this book, it talks about how the republican party has worked to try to make inroads with black voters. the problem is there are no policies. with democrats the switch came in the 1950's when they were very aggressive in introducing anti-lynching laws, antidiscrimination laws. those were things that had teeth and showed black people the party was interested in their issues. my question is wha policies,
what economic initiatives are the republicans pushing in order to show black people that they care? i haven't seen any. and i would love to talk to mr. trump for omarosa specifically. another thing the republicans do is they tend to say, let me go to the church community. let me go to people of faith. the conservative black church. there is this assumption that just because black church leaders approve, they support republicans in social issues or women'srriage, right to choose, antiabortion, that means they have created inroads with those communities. one thing conservative black people, christian people think of more so than any of those things is the fact that they are black. and that reigns supreme over everything.
faithn't speak to my without speaking to my race. i think that if republicans continue to go into black communities and talk about christian values and conservative values without talking about disenfranchisement and voting, police brutality, then they are not going to make those inroads. host: a lot of folks waiting to chat with you. john smith writes on twitter, it's time for minorities and millennials to make a change. democrats are not doing anything for them. pennsylvania, an independent. go ahead. caller: hello, c-span. and good morning. i am a truck driver. i was just up in your hometown yesterday, in detroit. guest: oh yeah? caller: i got off i-75 on to
mcnichols boulevard. guest: i love that. i had a great time there. i have a lot of positive memories. tot time you come up i have show you some of the good parts and we will do that. go ahead. caller: ok. that's great. i was especially interested in whocaller from los angeles feels that the democrats have not done anything and why should we keep voting democrat. it's because it's the better of two bad choices. i am a bernie supporter. and i would be interested to hear what her feelings towards bernie would be. but that is something else. the main point i wanted to make statesseems the united in many instances, education, health care, avoidance of war -- policies like these.
we do have other very developed countries in the world that don't seem to have the same the same struggle with these issues that are fundamental human issues. why we do not adopt and be humble enough to copy some of these issues is beyond me. guest: issues like what, though? caller: excuse me? guest: issues like what? because i really understand what you are coming from that where you are coming from. in it me think about the time that i lived abroad for four years. inre are certain countries europe, places like norway, who have superior education systems. laces that have high-quality health care. when i think about your question, it makes me think about, one, when i am -- i think the dynamic that changes all of
that, particularly where i come from, working on social justice issues, thinking about race and gender -- as soon as you put the element of race in that conversation, it changes the dynamic. for example, in france, for example, there are a lot of black people who are immigrants there who talk about racial issues all the time. there are black people or people from north africa whel to trav nordic countries that have excellent health care, excellent schooling systems, but discussion of issues -- but discuss issues of racism. always playsf race a factor into that because you a lot ofnger in -- european countries are no longer homogenized societies. any time you introduced new people into that society, it causes a conflict. there is going to be a question
of, are these people taking our jobs, trying to reinvent our culture? when i hear your question, it reminds me of, hey, you are right. there are areas in the country, in the world, where we can learn from, where we can benefit from. i think in america, a country that is so ethnically diverse, a country that does have a history people,m and oppressing that is always going to be the element of conversation that we have to unpack because a lot of these services and a lot of these benefits that we apply in other countries, we have to look at whether or not those countries have a history of racism like we do, and whether or not -- and whether or not access torities have those same opportunities. host: let's mention that he is a bernie sanders supporter. that points to your story from last month on how bernie sanders lost the black vote. it is on fusion, if viewers want
to read that story. several other callers are waiting. paul has been waiting from eastlake, ohio, a republican. i have always been a democrat my whole life, and the democrats have been in office for how long? what have they really done? why is our country in such bad shape? why are people out of work? the trouble with you people is, you do not want to hear the truth. you want to listen to the stories that they are going to give you this, give you that, give you everything. guest: when you say, "you people," what do you mean, by the way? i am just trying to be clear. are goinge democrats to give everybody everything for nothing now. is justwhy donald trump
an ordinary man. he is not a politician. he spent his own money. well, i don't know what to make of that between "you people" and donald trump being an ordinary man. iwill just simply say that think there are a lot of frustrations among democrats themselves through the people i have spoken to over the past few months about what the democratic party can do to improve on some of the policy. blackyou think about the and brown communities that i am engaged in, the number one thing that black people want the democratic party to be more aggressive about is taking on feele unions, who they support abusive police officers. when i think about democrats and what they could do for black and
brown communities, you think about ways in which police -- in which they can think of historical justice issues. the black lives matter movement extensively, and one of the major platforms -- one of the major points in their theform focuses on abolishment of laws that allow young people to be suspended for "being disrespectful." how are people of color allowed to be safe in their schools and their communities? i think a lot of the people i talked to want democrats to be more specific about how these things can happen and produce more policies that will adjust that. but as far as donald trump being an ordinary man, i do not think
anybody would say donald trump is an ordinary man, somebody who has been a beneficiary of generational wealth, and someone who is running for president of the united states. i do not think anyone, regardless of what race you are or you are, could be in the position he's in. host: charles has been waiting from i spoke with the black lights
chapter in cleveland and asked them if they would show up at rnc. they said no. they are focusing their incoming on the prosecutor. michael malley came in on a platform that he did not believe the khmer rice case was handled properly. the case against the outgoing prosecutor was voted out because matter's.ck lives
getting people to come out and vote against him. another thing the chapter day, they were able to convince democratic voters. if they abuse their power than dealing with someone like trump who has no interest in them at all. if you are thinking about the side, i think that state legislators are equally as important. not even u.s. congress. state legislatures. because we live in a federal
government does influence asly the your state legislature. i spoke with a candidate running in pennsylvania. -- philadelphia. proposeg he wants to when he gets into office is a bill that requires all have avania officers to license. if it is lost, they cannot go to in thatmunicipality state to work. if they accused or convicted of violating their passwords -- all specificare state .ssues i think the caller is correct in that local elections are very important. i think it is something we should do more reporting on. host: running short on time. michael in lancaster,
diaspora and many other aspects as well. i'm going to start off with a statement. congresswoman yvette d clark new york knife congressional district. statement that she wanted red at the marcus harvey press conference august 17, 2016. work is garvey lives in history the first readers of the american civil rights movement. to unite people toward a common goal of social progress. founded they universal negro improvement association and african lake, which at one hit nearly 6 million members in 40 countries. 1920 three marcus garvey was unjustly convicted of mail fraud from the united states, despite having his commuted from former
president coolidge. for most 30-year's efforts have been made to exonerate marcus garvey. the family started this crusade in july 1987 when one of the most senior members of the congressional from former black caucus held hearing in the gg sherrie committee on the conviction. the hearing coincided with the resolution submitted by another senior member, the honorable charles wrangle. that marcus garvey was innocent of the charges brought against him. number two, marcus garvey is and should be recognized internationally as a leader in thinker for the struggle for .uman rights number three, the president should take appropriate measures name.ar marcus garvey's martinans including tony lewis as art
published materialist detailing in depth how garvey was wrongfully convicted. ,aw professor justin hinz berg who we are honored to have with us this afternoon, in his work published in the georgetown modern of modern turn -- race perspective, provided an in-depth historical legal review, which was further bolstered by the legal brief we have submitted to the united department of justice that we submitted the summer. professor charles ogletree of harvard university law school garvey family. we are so very honored to have representing here dr. julius garvey. in more than 30 years garvey has been honored internationally as
a leader and thinker in the field of human rights. the organization of americans has designated a call a its main building, marcus garvey hall. , garvey has been as the first national hero. recognition of marcus garvey's lifelong contribution to society. marcus garvey should be exonerated. president obama should take the appropriate measures to clear name. garvey towing it is never too late write a wrong. it is time to exonerate marcus garvey, and let history reflect his legacy.ure of god bless the united states of
jamaica, andbless god bless the memory of marcus that honorablee yvette d clark representing new york's ninth congressional district. i would also like to acknowledge this happens to be the birthday of marcus garvey, august 17. we are very honored and to announce this historic announcement today. off ourstart with remarksanel howard university associate professor of the african andpora in history professor swan that will give us perspective regarding marcus garvey.
>> good afternoon. truly an honor to be here truly an honor to be here and be a part of this really important, illustrious event. marcus garvey'legacy is still being explored and understood in really important ways. to beat of garvey in 10 minutes, but to speak of garvey is to speak of the black world in the 1920's. to's weekf garvey is africa that extend for 19th century. to speak about garvey is to talk about black resistance. to speak of garvey is to's week of black thoughts of black men women that transfers into the 20th century. is genius with the world mostbuild the expensive black man movement of the likes we have never seen since. the negro world, for example, this amazing document in news
timber that is not only written in english, but also french and spanish traveled across the world. assault of to the garvey. black unity.t speaking -- the game up any perfect people and other populations that had a right to self determination. the right of colonized peoples freedom. this is what garvey was speaking about. it was an amazing organization, one of the reasons because it was family-based. wing. a juvenile it spread across the world, not just the united states. cuba has the most branches. seen asmerica, it is broad-based african-american idea. louisiana actually have the most
unia. you seee chapters being formed in southern africa and being attacked by the apartheid-like regimes. -- apartheid-like regimes. he reaches all strongly 1940. very much on the lines of the unifil. unia. this must be mentioned, as well as the other numbers that were affected. they have passports for an visa is denied. -- they have passports and visas denied. as we know, the first black performer was used to
infiltrate. they were really out of bounds. not on it acted. the garvey movement had this to youral ability denies black ideas. , this speaksalia to me about why garvey was so powerful. one aim, one destiny, which we know now is garvey. through garvey we see people colonizing around the attacks in theopia and italy in 1930's. when we heard the words of bob , a mantra for yourself, slavery to free our quotesthat is a straight
from marcus garvey, whose legacy has been ever present. garvey has fueled so many other organizations from the nation of islam, seeing a blackstar line coming into the charleston harbor's and seeing this transformed by the process. garvey still lives with us in many ways. i think this is really important, not just for the historical dynamic for how i garvey but a way to right the wrongs. scholarship. reemergence of garvey scholars that understand the impact of world.across the clearly a testament to the fact that this is the movement of that shouldstruggle be seen as such. a multitude of books, scholars winning prestigious awards for
garvey. we should also address some of the same issues from a legal perspective. [applause] >> thank you so very much. the next person i will bring up theomeone who was named as top 40 lawyers under the age of 40 by the national bar association. in one named as one of the 25 new leaders of social justice. about professor justin hansford, a professor of schoolis university law who lives just 10 minutes from brown was shot in the streets by law enforcement. in ferguson, missouri. he is one of the foremost dealingand thinkers with social justice issues today.
thatlong review article -- that judged event risk. justin hansford and dr. lewis garvey. that, i would like to bring professor hansford up to talk a little bit about the case, and possibly introduce this as well. professor justin hansford: good afternoon. i want to begin by reading you excerpt from the legal case against marcus garvey, an the secondhored by appeals in 1925. it may be true garvey fancied himself if not a messiah, that
he deemed himself a man with a that he was going to deliver, and he was going to shifts -- ships that would take his people out of bondage. but even with this assumed, it that if it is gospel in exhortation to buy worthless stocks, accompanied by deceivingly false statements as thereof, he was guilty of a scheme or artifice of to. delay to examine in detail to examine the fraud scheme exhibited by practically uncontradicted evidence. appeal through the ambition,
emotions or race consciousness of men of color, it was a simple familiar device of which the object, as of so many others besttain how it could unload capital stock at the largest possible price. at this bar, there is no attempt to justify this going -- selling improvement.ce it was wholly without morale it he or legality. that is the statement by the united states court of appeals circuit.econd this judicial opinion has reverberated throughout history unto today. court and aes how a judge and the legal process can construct a narrative that can suppress, that can oppress, and can the value voices for justice . ultimately the unjust trial of marcus garvey and the conviction that followed was an attempt to silence and
suppressed his movement for rachel -- racial justice. 90 yearsere almost later to show our resistance indoors, despite the efforts that were made to suppress our defense. fight to restore the legacies and ideas of marcus garvey. because he was the leader of the largest racial juste movement seen in the course of the african diaspora's history. so history matters. in despite of marcus garvey's great accomplishments, if i were who was random person, marcus garvey? wasn't that back to africa his legacy has been suppressed, his legacy has been narrowed, and his legacy is so greater.er and he was not just a civil rights
a politicalas philosopher, human rights trailblazer. slogan both at home and abroad was inspiration for the thatonization movement resulted in the decolonization movements, in addition to the caribbean. admired by martin luther king, nelson mandela, and malcolm x. sadly, his legacy has been tarnished, degraded and banished from the american narrative. in large part due to the legal opinion that you just heard and criminal justice system that affected his unjust conviction. the conviction was not just family, but for his followers. it has made all of our lives less rich. it has robbed us of an important part of our history. so i myself never heard the name
garvey until i was 15 years old and reading my favorite look, the autobiography x, a book that changed my life. i found that marcus hervey was x fatherhat malcolm had worked with. i went to research, who is this guy? to a local public library to find information, because of the public school where i was no book on marcus garvey. called blacke movement by david cronin. a balancen as treatment of marcus garvey and his movement anda well-meaning r soon -- buffoon, who was to ostentatious for his and this led to his ultimate demise. so is this an accurate telling garvey's tory?
legacy why is that the that has been passed down to us 90 years later? the silencing of garvey does not relevant.a i have had career the opportunity to travel to the caribbean, africa, other parts the world. i was able to do the same thing marcus garvey did 100 years earlier, which is wherever you go in europe and the united dates, wherever there are black people, they are at the bottom of the social ladder. what garvey did was to open our eyes to the fact that this does not have to be so. this is not something that was written in stone. true a centurygs after he first delivers it. since the message is still relevant, how come we don't know
about it? i think the answer is provided in the legal brief that i wrote. charles ogilvie that we submitted. and a signed by dr. julius garvey. the answer, i think will shop, greatlynt, and disappoint many of the readers. we submitted it to the department of justice into the white house, and i think it will also shop, disappoint and them.se many of -- shock, disappoint, and surprise many of them. railed reveal is it was deliberately and intentionally law was just ahe tool that was used by j edgar hoover and other people who were in seeing garvey's message depressed. today in 2006 teen, president obama has an opportunity to write this wrong.
this the time to make things right? we outlined three brief. in the legal first of all, this is not the time the president has toen a posthumous pardon someone who has passed away. both president clinton and givenent bush have posthumous parting in the last years of their administration. bushon 1999 and president 2008. these are definitely legal, and definitely president for doing so. secondly, marcus garvey is innocent. we have proven that beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. the united states congress held a hearing in 1987 in the house committee chair by conyers where they afford in-depth all of the evidence.
they look at historical evidence historians like tony martin. they conclude he was innocent in 1987. there have been dozens of books. it is in the state. currency ofon the jamaica's currency. innocent and is people around the world have recognized it. statesr own united government has recognized it. timely, why is this right to exonerate marcus garvey? the is, there has never been a better time to do so. i believe we are at a turning justice the racial history. we are at a time where we are to confirm perhaps for the first time better than black matter, and this is part of the process. one of my favorite historians,
harding, has articulated there is a river to the black struggle. to those of us that feel we are struggle,the freedom responsibilityur to make sure we continue -- that we hand that legacy down to , whichhat will follow us includes the memory of the great ones that have gone before us a partnd i'm happy to be of this process and look forward to hearing your questions. thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much. i would like to ignore it of the honorable [indiscernible] who has joined us in the audience. i am so very honored to bring to podium the ambassador, the daughter malcolm x and
dr. betty shabazz. she is an author, ambassador, motivational speaker. she was six years old when her father was assassinated. whose ancestryle came from the caribbean minded as well, her grandpa -- crusaders forere negro --rsal improvement association. at this point, give a welcome -- warm welcome to ambassador shabazz. [applause] ambassador shabazz: we are going wikipedia,update actress. am no
they take away your intellectual power by putting in something else, and somehow that has more life than it. i have someone's piece here so i can read the letters that came to you earlier. i ask you in advance to pardon me because as i shared over breakfast, i have dyslexia. sayt, i would like to greetings to this distinguished assembly of people who founded power by putting in something else, and somehow that has more life than it. significant to behundreds here. there were many others who i heard of. they were moved to know this was happening at all. that we continue however the results are. what turns and moves and stars has to have validity for ever afterthat we continue however te results are. what turns and moves and stars has to have validity for ever after, no matter what, so that lifetime, weur
cannot let it rest. cleo is have to honor ourselves, so whatever structure systems in place. which jam a child in edgar hoover surrounded and some of us around here. and because of memory eating so short, people do not know what we look like, what we walk like, what the inside our systems feel like. there.oids that are just because we have a passive coexistence we have a political correctness. that you can actually tell truth s. you can update history and not offend. us ton assure it is up to do that. whether this on original or presidential pardon takes least moist, we have to make sure our voice is defined in a matter what. what.ter
marcus garvey is 120 ninth birthday. yesterday was dr. julius garvey's birthday. years.not say how many >> i no longer have birthdays. i am here in a matter of hours just returning a in standing here in honor of his father is like standing here in honor of my own. in honor like standing of all the fathers who dared to walk and climb that trajectory that is always put beforth. we do get there. even if it is afterlife. our presence is that rains about us that we wish her because it seems to be more humble. we cannot allow our royalty to be hampered. if we are speaking about marcus
garvey 90 years -- 80 years after he has passed, it means there is something in the a are, something in the spirit, the generations later, where the magnificence of that time that thatg on those plantation hounded the nurturing lullabies that assured that our freedom would be what it was. thatss on to our children we would have a backbone of strength as an example to our children. aboute to talk a bit -- it so our young kids don't have to advocate lives better. this, tojust say see connect the dots. that they don't have to say it over and over to convince somebody that black lives matter. that means we have to connect the dots. austerity era old and under doesn't have to fight it alone.
i am the grandmother of that age. there is a siphoning that takes place, there's a hemorrhaging that takes place. this is the kind of thing that turns the spirit and affirms the voices of those who have gone before us that i as a younger maker to dr. julius garvey sure that he does not want this earth that somebody advocates on the behalf of his father. for all the nameless fathers and mothers echo before us. we don't always know their names, but we do have to speak up for who we are. be glad about it. it is who we are. truth does not always mean antagonistic. it just means that it is. acknowledge all the friends who might be in
earshot and beyond and calling , dr.nd notes and remove garvey, as correspondences will still come in so you get to understand the breadth of people who understand that your father and mother matters. -- danny glover, trying to be in two places at once. how do you do that? you know you will have another chance. changed his schedule. i am thankful that you indeed came today. thank you. you one of read to the letters. many letters came to me. one of them went it is with great pride that i write this letter as an activist
and current or former member of the national boards of the naacp, congressional lock farkas, rainbow push in the republic of new africa. i request that the honorable marcus garvey be bestowed a posthumouslypardon based on the suffering under j edgar herbert. the work of marcus garvey was a from jailuence in my to judge. he gave me a sense of pride and commitment to fight again and correct the destructive conditions in my community and the african dias borough. should you decide to validate his work to organize millions in our community in concert with the social justice with the most oppressed people in history, i
am certain it will continue to inspire millions of troubled african american youth to transform both themselves and the communities around them with great respect and regard i remain, judge greg mathis and. received it isa an honor for me to join with so many from all over the world to give full support for this important initiative. marcus garvey was a caribbean man who played a role in ensuring that black people all over the world can unite good as we continue to see the struggles for basic human rights in some countries including the united states increase, it is important that we do not take these rights for granted. we must continue to promote and knowledge the work of marcus garvey so that the future of generations can have a better understanding of the struggle of the past and the importance for
us to unite. many years ago he visited grenada and it was evident a few weeks ago during our emancipation celebrations that many were inspired by his work through his son dr. julius garvey. they wanted to know more about him. the teaches of marcus garvey will continue to live on, the honorable bender could, -- could , grenada, west indies. son some of you may wonder what z has to do with garvey. with the support of a girl's father and mother sheet set sail to montreal where her uncle was a member of the union universal negro improvement association. i say all of this so that we intended, the universal negro association. we want to be clear about what that meant your following her
position she learned three languages. she still became the author of the negro world newspaper where she and an african-american man at one of the conventions who was also a presidential chapter in the united states, they met. she was my grandmother, he was my grandfather. on my dads side. as children, my father talked about the household they lived foundationald by he set in the values of being heir to the african diaspora. outside, it was simply so. it was passed down. sometimes as we have learned in history there is a price to pay. day, andher on this
get a chance to listen to others and have an exchange, i am just that we don't stop your. when they talked about inviting me to grenada for the emancipation day and acknowledging my father i said he is one of eight. you have to do it for the little girl who was inspired. you have to do it for that person that early day in her life in 1916 that i mattered and a person who might calm also had value. and they got on the boat and came here. the malcolm you think you know by way of something else is not so. how ourto be clear history as told by us. it is really the root self by this global sense of who you are , not up from slavery, preexistence of the slave trade. the powers that be here don't get to define it or refine it
because you have to know yourself before. going back to africa movement was not just about the geography, it was about here. no matter what the blend has been in in the western hemisphere that knowing your root self and the value of that has some sick if it can. i said to them, this is no way down -- for me to come there and wave a flag because my grandmother was born there. let's bring in the root of the story. that's when i contacted dr. garvey and said will you join me. it was wonderful for two children to share in that union, to know the stories we know, the sentences that we can complete for one another and still have an affirmation to make sure that this legacy moves forward for our children, the direct and then the global legacies of men and women such as marcus harvey.
close. note, i will we will speak later. thank you. [applause] this is indeed history in the making. i just recall we really must late-- i remember in the 1800s marcus garvey was saying that he came of from slavery and about being a race leader upon him. he said where is the black and government? where is this president? a bigis this navy and man affairs. he looked around and he could not find them. he vowed that he would help to build them. that is why we need to correct this is sick -- historic wrong.
that is why we are gathered here today, calling upon the president to grant this posthumous pardon to this great leader, this great individual whose birthday happens to be today. i would like to continue and the honorablefrom andrew jackson young, for -- former mayor of atlanta, georgia. young, i andrew jackson write in support of the descendent of the honorable marcus garvey in the myriad of that if issues of his legacy in the -- african diaspora. river -- revert marcus garvey. i am contracted as to why a pardon has not been granted to this visionary, and inspirational leader who went
considered he is honored globally and that was his mission of his contributions to society and his effort to uplift people throughout the world. every time i visit my granddaughter who lives across the marcusfrom garvey park in harlem, new york, i am grieved about the injustice with his name still bearing this care of a conviction even though his sentence was commuted by president coolidge. as one of the first leaders of the civil rights movement in the early 20th century he was an advocate for the social and political independence of those around the world. he stakes his name and movement on the development of economic opportunity as a source of black empowerment. tonight his followers, he founded [indiscernible] boastedat its height
nearly 6 million members in 40 countries. in the words of dr. martin luther king jr., he was the tost man on a mass scale give millions of negroes a sense of dignity and destiny and make the negro feel that he was somebody. because of these achievements he was viewed as a threat to the u.s. government. before martin luther king would be targeted. hoover taught methods on how to disrupt and destroy garvey's civil rights movement. 23, aided by judicial proceedings that have largely been condemned as unfounded and politically and racially
motivated, garvey was convicted of mail fraud and sentenced to five years in federal prison. in recognition of the unsettling president calvin coolidge commuted the sentence in november, 1927 but deported him from the country. the posthumous pardon petition now filed on his behalf seeks to exonerate him from the stigma of his conviction following the commutation of his sentence efforts to fully clear his name have been ongoing on the part of the u.s. congress, civil andnizations, city, state international groups. more than 90 years after the imposition of this injustice, it is time to part us -- pardon marcus garvey. i implore all decision-makers to recognize the urgent need to address this matter resulting in a positive miss presidential
pardon. chairman, andrew j young foundation. at the simon gives me great pleasure to bring to the podium dr. [indiscernible] caribbeane from the political action committee. he is the recipient of the 2013 congressional black caucus brain trust, leadership and advocacy award among many other awards. let's bring dr. downer to the podium. >> good afternoon. i decided to document my notes because i did not want to make any errors. today we honor the life and legacy of marcus garvey and he
devoted his life to a i'm partal struggle, of whose work and sacrifice we still acknowledged today. as chair of the political action committee in this region, on behalf of the millions of caribbean people, we stand for unity and. or with the family of the right marcus garvey, the first national hero for jamaica, well-known as one of the first leaders of the civil rights moveme here in the u nine states and -- united states. by extension, the wider african diaspora would seek to regard -- restore his good name. a champion of social justice and human dignity who reminded us that our senses have been dulled under the degrading treatment. he has rekindled that knowledge
of individual and collective humanity. of our, of our genius and right to be here, reigniting the embers of wishing and hoping into a fire of doing. having a space of the way. his drive for economic empowerment and self-actualization pride was rekindled and it was remarkable. there is enough to struggle as his own parol. he worked tirelessly and was able to bring vision and confidence to life. jamaicald growing up in i heard the name of marcus garvey. it was synonymous with self-determination and of my right to be here. we were told about him in kindergarten and studied about him in high school. and became an adult immigrated to america my level
of consciousness was threatened further as i realize the as igle he must have felt saw its sustenance from my own journey here. he had a vision in the worst of times, a vision for not only african-americans but for those of us in the caribbean and the world over who are marginalized, abuse and vulnerable. educators orin our athletes are students, maurice exemplifiesothers what we were taught in school, self pride. sayy math teacher is to when we got ready to do her exams and they were difficult, ownwas a up, your accomplishment is what you are. up, up, you can accomplish which you will. although some of the students study. those words served as winds
beneath our wings. it confirmed that regardless of our stations in life as children, if we took pride in our work and added the discipline of starting we would be successful. but mostly, we were. we passed those very challenging thes and continued climbing ladder for academic goals. sometimes when we wavered in our quest our english teacher reminded us that everyone in our class was destined for greatness. say, a people without knowledge of their past history, their custom and culture is like a tree without roots. and then she would say,, you are deeply rooted. marcus made it so. and we believed. i amday on his birthday influenced by his work that has continue to live on in us. we would be pleased if the president would grant our wish
and fulfill the pardon. thank you. [applause] thank you so very much. i'm going to now bring to the ceo ofthe president and constituency for africa. he will tell you his specific relation to this issue. good afternoon. it's great to be here. congressman, it's great to see you. we miss you. we really miss you a lot. bes is an honor for me to here. julius garvey is one of my
closest friends. when i first met him and he said of --the son of maris marcus garvey and i said how can he that be? i kind of did the math and said well, this is interesting. i want to first wish the honorable marcus garvey a happy 100th birthday. we should all celebrate this. i represent the constituency for africa. that's the name -- we work to supply public and private support for africa. i have been working on this for more than 40 years ago -- 40 years. my own organization were 25 last year. we are working to build a base shabbaz is one of my greatest supporters. links, soe a thousand
i miss her. we are in action-driven organization. we don't think about agonizing, we think about organizing. i think what are we going to do about it. i don't claim to be of big historian. i read a lot of the books, but when icc the, dr. garvey and i have traveled quite a bit. if you want to know about marcus garvey you go with his son to trinidad. the whole place turned out for him. two months ago we went to south africa and libya. the whole place turned out for marcus garvey. while many of us don't know and forgotten, the rest of the black world knows. they admire mark a scurvy. -- marcus garvey.
he said can you organize washington? everybody always lay stuff on it. i said what are you putting on me now, julius? but sometimes when i came here this is what this is about, what we really are talking about. what is the strategy going forward? pardonhelp to get this done. -- i don't know why it hasn't got done. barack obama would endorse we are talking about today. maybe we have not pushed the right buttons. he is trying to save the world and keep donald trump from taking over and all of this kind of thing that he does in the course of a day. isnow his heart and spirit there.
it is a matter of how do we go about decisioning it. doesn't happen they share it will happen next year. it will happen. ,hen i look at american history it till to about where you are in history. surprised that they that they pushed him out of the country. i am not surprised because he was organizing black people. he wasnvinced that if alive today, this pardon would have been done. nobody could organize like marcus garvey could organize. that's the problem, we don't have the organizing capacity that marcus garvey himself represented. i am convinced of that. i think that this is a great day. this is a stunning panel here to
.utline the issue i commit myself to do what i can, julius, to help it the pardon enacted. if we can do it before obama leaves office, that's great but if we have to do it afr he leaves office, we will do it. you for giving me this opportunity. [applause] ok. thank you so very much. there are so very many people who wanted to be here and express the support for this pardon petition, one of which is dr. ron daniels founder of black world 21st century who happens to be in costa rica right now at the annual marcus carvey celebration. there are celebrations all over the world. , i willore we bring up
read a statement in support by congressman john conyers. i am honored to present this statement as a posthumous pardon petition by his youngest son, dr. julius garvey. the events surrounding mr. garvey's conviction are well documented and have been provided as far as a legal brief and submitted to the office of the pardon committee on june 20 7, 2016. he was the leader of the largest inican-american civil rights the united states. he has been hailed as a hero, has had its treats named after him from new york to london and other places throughout the world. he has a halt named after him at the main or washington, d.c. headquarters and is the image on
the $20 coin in jamaica. as a result of a conviction for mail fraud and 1923 and his deportation from the u.s. he is still seen as a criminal much to the chagrin of his family and the worldwide community. in 1987, we held a congressional hearing in which historians and scholars testified to the overwhelming evidence proving that mr. garvey was innocent of charges and that his conviction was a politically motivated effort to the -- delegitimize a african-american struggle at which he was the preeminent leader. along with others i urged consider abama -- to posthumous pardon. last twoadition of the united states presidents who both issued posthumous pardons
for prominent americans who were or are admired for the minority communities and who were convicted in a different climate that was more harsh to their ethnic background. i look forward to doing everything i can to help make the exoneration for marcus garvey a reality. " it gives me great honor and in alege at this is stored bring forth the youngest son of the honorable marcus garvey, dr. julius garvey, who i think was only seven years old when his father died. he spent most of his childhood in jamaica. he received a medical degree in canada, came to the united states. he is an esteemed surgeon. vascular surgeon.
dr.decision to become at grew from the ideas of his family. thes important to now achievement of this great man who is the son of a great, great and mighty men. who is seeking a sense of justice not only for his father but for the movement of which his father was a key part. dr. julius garvey. thank you so much. thank you for the turnout. thank you, panel. , there really
isn't much for me to say. perhaps i will put a little .cing on the cake but not a major speech. fact to grow up with the that my father was a convicted criminal. kicked it -- convicted in the united states of america, which is the biggest and the strongest country in the world. of its exceptionalism in areas of democracy and , and it was very difficult for me as a young man to reconcile with i knew about my father personally