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and a signed by dr. julius garvey. the answer, i think will shop, disappoint, and greatly disappoint many of the readers. we submitted it to the department of justice into the white house, and i think it will also shop, disappoint and surprise many of them.an surprise many of them. what it railed reveal is it was deliberately and intentionally silenced, and the law was just a tool that was used by j edgar hoover and other people who were interested in seeing garvey's message depressed. today in 2006 teen, president obama has an opportunity to write this wrong. why is this the time to make
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things right? we outlined three reasons in the legal brief. first of all, this is not the first time the president has given a posthumous pardon to someone who has passed away. both president clinton and president bush have given posthumous parting in the last years of their administration. clinton 1999 and president bush 2008. these are definitely legal, and definitely president for doing so. secondly, marcus garvey is innocent. we have proven that beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. the united states congress held a hearing in 1987 in the house judiciary committee chair by john conyers where they afford in-depth all of the evidence. they look at historical evidence presented by historians like tony martin. they conclude he was innocent back in 1987. there have been dozens of books.
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currently it is in the state. his face is on the currency of jamaica's currency. marcus garvey is innocent and people around the world have recognized it. even our own united states government has recognized it. finally, why is this right time to exonerate marcus garvey? the reality is, there has never been a better time to do so. i believe we are at a turning point in the racial justice history. we are at a time where we are trying to confirm perhaps for the first time better than black lives do matter, and this is part of the process. one of my favorite historians, vincent harding, has articulated there is a river to the black freedom struggle. to those of us that feel we are
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a part of the freedom struggle, it is part of our responsibility to make sure we continue -- that we hand that legacy down to those that will follow us, which includes the memory of the great ones that have gone before us syria and i'm happy to be a part of this process and look forward to hearing your questions. thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much. i would like to ignore it of the honorable [indiscernible] who has joined us in the audience. i am so very honored to bring to the podium the ambassador, the eldest daughter malcolm x and dr. betty shabazz. she is an author, ambassador,
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motivational speaker. she was six years old when her father was assassinated. as so many people whose ancestry came from the caribbean minded as well, her grandpa -- grandparents were crusaders for the universal negro -- improvement association. at this point, give a welcome -- warm welcome to ambassador shabazz. [applause] ambassador shabazz: we are going to have to update wikipedia, because i am no actress. they take away your intellectual power by putting in something else, and somehow that has more life than it. i have someone's piece here so i can read the letters that came to you earlier.
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i ask you in advance to pardon me because as i shared over breakfast, i have dyslexia. first, i would like to say greetings to this distinguished assembly of people who founded -- found it significant to be here. there were many others who i heard from, hundreds of. they were moved to know this was happening at all. that we continue however the results are. what turns and moves and stars has to have validity for ever after, no matter what, so that it's not in our lifetime, we cannot let it rest. cleo is have to honor ourselves, so whatever structure systems in place. i, too, am a child in which j edgar hoover surrounded and some
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of us around here. and because of memory eating so short, people do not know what we look like, what we walk like, what the inside our systems feel like. the keloids that are there. just because we have a passive coexistence we have a political correctness. that you can actually tell truths. you can update history and not offend. you can assure it is up to us to do that. whether this on original or presidential pardon takes least or moist, we have to make sure our voice is defined in a matter what. no matter what. marcus garvey is 120 ninth birthday. yesterday was dr. julius garvey's birthday. i will not say how many years. >> i no longer have birthdays.
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i am here in a matter of hours just returning a broad, because there was no other place for me to be. standing here -- in honor of his father is like standing here in honor of my own. and it is like standing in honor of all the fathers who dared to walk and climb that trajectory that is always put before them. we do get there. even if it is afterlife. our presence is that rains about us that we wish her because it seems to be more humble. we cannot allow our royalty to be hampered.
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if we are speaking about marcus garvey 90 years -- 80 years after he has passed, it means there is something in the a are, something in the spirit, the generations later, where the magnificence of that time that saying on those plantation that hounded the nurturing lullabies that assured that our freedom would be what it was. to pass on to our children that we would have a backbone of strength as an example to our children. we have to talk a bit -- about it so our young kids don't have to advocate lives better. they can just say see this, to connect the dots. that they don't have to say it over and over to convince somebody that black lives matter. that means we have to connect the dots. austerity era old and under doesn't have to fight it alone. i am the grandmother of that age. there is a siphoning that takes
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place, there's a hemorrhaging that takes place. this is the kind of thing that turns the spirit and affirms the voices of those who have gone before us that i as a younger sister to dr. julius garvey make sure that he does not want this earth that somebody advocates on the behalf of his father. this goes for all the nameless fathers and mothers echo before us. we don't always know their names, but we do have to speak up for who we are. be glad about it. it is who we are. truth does not always mean antagonistic. it just means that it is. i would like to acknowledge all the friends who might be in earshot and beyond and calling to send notes and remove, dr. garvey, as correspondences will
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still come in so you get to understand the breadth of people who understand that your father and mother matters. dr. glover -- danny glover, trying to be in two places at once. how do you do that? you know you will have another chance. food may had changed his schedule. i am thankful that you indeed came today. thank you. i'd like to read to you one of the letters. many letters came to me. one of them went it is with great pride that i write this letter as an activist and current or former member of the national boards of the naacp, congressional lock
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farkas, rainbow push in the republic of new africa. i request that the honorable marcus garvey be bestowed a president to pardon posthumously based on the suffering under j edgar herbert. the work of marcus garvey was a major influence in my from jail to judge. he gave me a sense of pride and commitment to fight again and correct the destructive conditions in my community and the african dias borough. should you decide to validate his work to organize millions in our community in concert with the social justice with the most oppressed people in history, i am certain it will continue to inspire millions of troubled african american youth to transform both themselves and the communities around them with great respect and regard i remain, judge greg mathis and. another letter a received it is
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an honor for me to join with so many from all over the world to give full support for this important initiative. marcus garvey was a caribbean man who played a role in ensuring that black people all over the world can unite good as we continue to see the struggles for basic human rights in some countries including the united states increase, it is important that we do not take these rights for granted. we must continue to promote and knowledge the work of marcus garvey so that the future of generations can have a better
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understanding of the struggle of the past and the importance for us to unite. many years ago he visited grenada and it was evident a few weeks ago during our emancipation celebrations that many were inspired by his work through his son dr. julius garvey. they wanted to know more about him. the teaches of marcus garvey will continue to live on, the honorable bender could, -- could , grenada, west indies. son some of you may wonder what shabbaz has to do with garvey. with the support of a girl's father and mother sheet set sail to montreal where her uncle was a member of the union universal negro improvement association. i say all of this so that we hear what is intended, the universal negro association. we want to be clear about what that meant your following her position she learned three languages. she still became the author of
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the negro world newspaper where she and an african-american man at one of the conventions who was also a presidential chapter in the united states, they met. she was my grandmother, he was my grandfather. on my dads side. as children, my father talked about the household they lived in was defined by foundational he set in the values of being heir to the african diaspora. based on the outside, it was simply so. it was passed down. sometimes as we have learned in history there is a price to pay. as we gather on this day, and get a chance to listen to others and have an exchange, i am just hoping that we don't stop your.
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when they talked about inviting me to grenada for the emancipation day and acknowledging my father i said he is one of eight. you have to do it for the little girl who was inspired. you have to do it for that person that early day in her life in 1916 that i mattered and a person who might calm also had value. and they got on the boat and came here. the malcolm you think you know by way of something else is not so. we have to be clear how our history as told by us. it is really the root self by this global sense of who you are , not up from slavery, preexistence of the slave trade. the powers that be here don't get to define it or refine it because you have to know
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yourself before. going back to africa movement was not just about the geography, it was about here. no matter what the blend has been in in the western hemisphere that knowing your root self and the value of that has some sick if it can. i said to them, this is no way to me -- for me to come down there and wave a flag because my grandmother was born there. let's bring in the root of the story. that's when i contacted dr. garvey and said will you join me. it was wonderful for two children to share in that union,
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to know the stories we know, the sentences that we can complete for one another and still have an affirmation to make sure that this legacy moves forward for our children, the direct and then the global legacies of men and women such as marcus harvey. on that note, i will close. we will speak later. thank you. [applause] >> this is indeed history in the making. i just recall we really must know -- i remember in the late 1800s marcus garvey was saying that he came of from slavery and he said be -- about being a race leader upon him. he said where is the black and government? where is this president? where is this navy and man a big affairs. he looked around and he could not find them. he vowed that he would help to build them. that is why we need to correct this is sick -- historic wrong. that is why we are gathered here today, calling upon the president to grant this posthumous pardon to this great leader, this great individual whose birthday happens to be today.
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i would like to continue and read a letter from the honorable andrew jackson young, for -- former mayor of atlanta, georgia. it says i andrew jackson young, write in support of the descendent of the honorable marcus garvey in the myriad of that if issues of his legacy in the -- african diaspora. for the river -- revert marcus garvey. i am contracted as to why a pardon has not been granted to this visionary, and inspirational leader who went considered he is honored globally and that was his mission of his contributions to society and his effort to uplift people throughout the world.
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every time i visit my granddaughter who lives across the street from the marcus harvey park in harlem, new york, i am grieved about the injustice with his name still bearing this care of a conviction even though his sentence was commuted by president coolidge. as one of the first leaders of the civil rights movement in the early 20th century he was an advocate for the social and political independence of those around the world. he stakes his name and movement on the development of economic opportunity as a source of black empowerment. tonight his followers, he founded [indiscernible] , which at its height boasted nearly 6 million members in 40 countries. in the words of dr. martin luther king jr., he was the
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first man on a mass scale to give millions of negroes a sense of dignity and destiny and make the negro feel that he was somebody. because of these achievements he was viewed as a threat to the u.s. government. that would be before martin luther king would be targeted. hoover taught methods on how to disrupt and destroy garvey's civil rights movement. in 19 23, aided by judicial proceedings that have largely been condemned as unfounded and politically and racially motivated, garvey was convicted of mail fraud and sentenced to five years in federal prison. in recognition of the unsettling -- president calvin coolidge commuted the sentence in
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november, 1927 but deported him from the country. the posthumous pardon petition now filed on his behalf seeks to exonerate him from the stigma of his conviction following the commutation of his sentence efforts to fully clear his name have been ongoing on the part of the u.s. congress, civil organizations, city, state and international groups. more than 90 years after the imposition of this injustice, it is time to part us -- pardon marcus garvey. i implore all decision-makers to recognize the urgent need to address this matter resulting in a positive miss presidential pardon. andrew j young, chairman, andrew j young foundation.
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at the simon gives me great pleasure to bring to the podium dr. [indiscernible] who is here from the caribbean political action committee. he is the recipient of the 2013 congressional black caucus brain trust, leadership and advocacy award among many other awards. let's bring dr. downer to the podium. >> good afternoon. i decided to document my notes because i did not want to make any errors. today we honor the life and legacy of marcus garvey and he devoted his life to a traditional struggle, i'm part of whose work and sacrifice we still acknowledged today. as chair of the political action
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committee in this region, on behalf of the millions of caribbean people, we stand for unity and. or with the family of the right marcus garvey, the first national hero for jamaica, well-known as one of the first leaders of the civil rights movement here in the u nine states and -- united states. by extension, the wider african diaspora would seek to regard -- restore his good name. a champion of social justice and human dignity who reminded us that our senses have been dulled under the degrading treatment. he has rekindled that knowledge of individual and collective humanity. of our, of our genius and right to be here, reigniting the embers of wishing and hoping
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into a fire of doing. having a space of the way. his drive for economic empowerment and self-actualization pride was rekindled and it was remarkable. there is enough to struggle as his own parol. he worked tirelessly and was able to bring vision and confidence to life. as a child growing up in jamaica i heard the name of marcus garvey. it was synonymous with self-determination and of my right to be here. we were told about him in kindergarten and studied about him in high school. as i became an adult and immigrated to america my level of consciousness was threatened further as i realize the struggle he must have felt as i saw its sustenance from my own
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journey here. he had a vision in the worst of times, a vision for not only african-americans but for those of us in the caribbean and the world over who are marginalized, abuse and vulnerable. what you see in our educators or athletes are students, maurice bishop, and others exemplifies what we were taught in school, self pride. as my math teacher is to say as my math teacher is to say when we got ready to do her exams and they were difficult, she was a up, your own accomplishment is what you are. up, up, you can accomplish which you will. although some of the students study. those words served as winds beneath our wings.
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it confirmed that regardless of it confirmed that regardless of our stations in life as children, if we took pride in our work and added the discipline of starting we would be successful. but mostly, we were. we passed those very challenging exams and continued climbing the ladder for academic goals. sometimes when we wavered in our quest our english teacher reminded us that everyone in our class was destined for greatness. she would say, a people without knowledge of their past history, their custom and culture is like a tree without roots. and then she would say,, you are deeply rooted. marcus made it so. and we believed. so today on his birthday i am influenced by his work that has continue to live on in us. we would be pleased if the president would grant our wish
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and fulfill the pardon. thank you. [applause] >> thank you so very much. i'm going to now bring to the podium the president and ceo of constituency for africa. he will tell you his specific relation to this issue. >> good afternoon. it's great to be here. congressman, it's great to see you. we miss you. we really miss you a lot. this is an honor for me to be here. dr. julius garvey is one of my closest friends. when i first met him and he said he is the son of maris of -- marcus garvey and i said how can
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he that be? i kind of did the math and said well, this is interesting. i want to first wish the honorable marcus garvey a happy 100th birthday. we should all celebrate this. i represent the constituency for africa. that's the name -- we work to supply public and private support for africa. i have been working on this for more than 40 years ago -- 40 years. my own organization were 25 last year. we are working to build a base of support, dr. shabbaz is one of my greatest supporters. she gave me a thousand links, so i miss her. we are in action-driven organization. we don't think about agonizing,
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we think about organizing. i think what are we going to do about it. i don't claim to be of big historian. i read a lot of the books, but when icc the, dr. garvey and i have traveled quite a bit. if you want to know about marcus garvey you go with his son to trinidad. the whole place turned out for him. two months ago we went to south africa and libya. the whole place turned out for marcus garvey.
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while many of us don't know and forgotten, the rest of the black world knows. they admire mark a scurvy. -- marcus garvey. he said can you organize washington? everybody always lay stuff on it. i said what are you putting on me now, julius? but sometimes when i came here this is what this is about, what we really are talking about. what is the strategy going forward?
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i will help to get this pardon done. it's a matter -- i don't know why it hasn't got done. barack obama would endorse we are talking about today. maybe we have not pushed the right buttons. he is trying to save the world and keep donald trump from taking over and all of this kind of thing that he does in the course of a day. i know his heart and spirit is there. it is a matter of how do we go about decisioning it. for me, if it doesn't happen they share it will happen next
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year. it will happen. when i look at american history, it till to about where you are in history. i am not surprised that they locked him up, that they pushed him out of the country. i am not surprised because he was organizing black people. [applause] >> ok. thank you so very much. there are so very many people who wanted to be here and express the support for this pardon petition, one of which is dr. ron daniels founder of black world 21st century who happens to be in costa rica right now at the annual marcus carvey celebration. there are celebrations all over the world. just before we bring up, i will read a statement in support by congressman john conyers.
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" i am honored to present this statement as a posthumous pardon petition by his youngest son, dr. julius garvey. the events surrounding mr. garvey's conviction are well documented and have been provided as far as a legal brief and submitted to the office of the pardon committee on june 20 7, 2016. he was the leader of the largest african-american civil rights in the united states. he has been hailed as a hero, has had its treats named after him from new york to london and other places throughout the world. he has a halt named after him at the main or washington, d.c. headquarters and is the image on the $20 coin in jamaica.
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as a result of a conviction for mail fraud and 1923 and his deportation from the u.s. he is still seen as a criminal much to the chagrin of his family and the worldwide community. in 1987, we held a congressional hearing in which historians and scholars testified to the overwhelming evidence proving that mr. garvey was innocent of charges and that his conviction was a politically motivated effort to the -- delegitimize a african-american struggle at which he was the preeminent leader. along with others i urged president obama -- to consider a posthumous pardon. in the tradition of the last two united states presidents who both issued posthumous pardons
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for prominent americans who were or are admired for the minority communities and who were convicted in a different climate that was more harsh to their ethnic background. i look forward to doing everything i can to help make the exoneration for marcus garvey a reality. " it gives me great honor and privilege at this is stored in a bring forth the youngest son of the honorable marcus garvey, dr. julius garvey, who i think was only seven years old when his
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father died. he spent most of his childhood in jamaica. he received a medical degree in canada, came to the united states. he is an esteemed surgeon. vascular surgeon. his decision to become at dr. grew from the ideas of his family. it is important to now the achievement of this great man who is the son of a great, great and mighty men. who is seeking a sense of justice not only for his father but for the movement of which his father was a key part. dr. julius garvey. >> thank you so much.
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thank you for the turnout. thank you, panel. for your topic, there really isn't much for me to say. perhaps i will put a little icing on the cake. but not a major speech. i had to grow up with the fact that my father was a convicted criminal. kicked it -- convicted in the united states of america, which is the biggest and the strongest country in the world. and both of its exceptionalism in areas of democracy and justice, and it was very difficult for me as a young man to reconcile with i knew about my father personally and what i learned from my mother who was his right-hand man so to speak,
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to reconcile that with a criminal conviction. but it was clear that he gave his whole life and sacrificed his family for african people worldwide. as he said then, 400 million african people. now we would say, 1.2 billion african people. the largest -- third-largest -- number of people in the world. behind china, behind india and that of course us africans. from a geopolitical perspective, africa is the richest continent in the world. i just mentioned are numbers, so our human resources are also of great significance.
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but what has kept us back? it has been primarily european invasion and exploitation. i don't have to enumerate the to you, because it is very well known. the point is that it continues despite the guys, of the quality, of integration, despite the guise of the first black president, despite the guise of a post-racial society. i think we can draw a straight line over 100 years when my father came to this country in 1916 to now 2016. young black man is still being shot in the street in this post-racial era, in the largest and most powerful democracy in the world. i think there is a lesson here
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to be learned. i don't think we need -- i think president clinton have a racial dialogue to try to solve almost between the racist. that was just talk and talk and nothing really materialized.
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i think what the black lives matter movement is showing us is that the young black children are tired. they are tired of races. -- racism. they are tired of poor education and lack of skills. they are tired of living and a society that marginalizes them and restricts the opportunities to be a full human being. it was at marcus garvey came to america. so what lesson are we going to learn from that 100 years after marcus garvey, after his philosophy and the organizational skills to bring us together as a people? you know what my father said? the knowledge of their origins, culture and history is like a two -- tree without roots. that's one of our problems.
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we don't know our own origin and culture. we have been disconnected. he was made into a slave in the process continued in terms of our miseducation, and it continues for young men in the streets don't know their history . they don't know where they come from. they don't even connect with martin advocating and brother malcolm. everyone stands on the shoulders of those who have gone before. there will be no black president if it was not from civil rights movement. it was not from malcolm and dr. martin luther king. many are without names. the civil rights movement
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started with marcus garvey. a man met my father in england and who proclaimed himself --. he talked about the negro -- rising in kenya. people stood around and listen -- they memorize the articles and then ran off into the villages. to repeat the stories. the nationalism had rise to -- they rise the kenyan nation. but there was no kenyan nation created by the father, the burning spear. there could have been no kenyan national who camp to the united states to study. do you hear where i'm coming from? we stand on the shoulders of those who have gone before.
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this is a teaching moment. there is a lot on his plate. it's a moment when decisions have to be made. directions have to be change. systems have to be reevaluated. not just words. it demands action. that is why we are here today. that's why we think it is the right time to join the dots between 1916 and 2016. the system has not changed in order to give the black boy and the black girl their place in american society. we think that the time is now. to exonerate marcus garvey, my presidential post you must pardon -- poster miss pardon. thank you. >> just before i open it up for
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questions and answers i would like to thank all the analysts for your presentations. if you have questions for the love from us will you can direct it at them. we want to thank ambassador [indiscernible] , dr. downer, president and ceo of the constituents for african and dr. julius garvey, representative of the family of the dissenters -- to center -- descendents of the family of the honorable marcus garvey.
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with that i would like to open it up for questions and answers. i'm not sure free of a light that goes around -- a mic that goes around. please introduce yourself. >> my name is barbara simmons. i just want to know what are the next step and what is the
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strategic plan and what do we need to do next? >> would like to address that? >> thanks for your support all the way from liberia. we have already submitted our brief to the united states department of justice and to the white house counsel's office. legally there are no more steps for us to take. it is now and the presidents hand. what we are looking for from supporters is to begin a letter writing campaign, which we can give you more information about how to reach us and to express your sub or whether it is from the nation of liberia or from community organizations in your capacity so that we can let the
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president know that that we are desperately in support for measures to be taken. there are no more steps in the process that need to be taken besides community support and outreach. >> thank you. do you have any briefer marks you like to make? >> thank you very much. i was trying to hide out back
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>> i grew up in a segregated society. like.not know what it was i will be 68 years old and a couple of months. it is just a commemoration of my mother's labor. but she contacted me and was trying to give me a sense of how this was going to unfold. i knew i needed to be here. all the others who have spoken have done an excellent job underscoring the ely galilee of what has taken place. we all know j edgar hoover was a monster. garveyharges against dr. and others represent a long line , pattern of deliberate behavior to judge, disrupt and take away
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the credit of individuals who a different point in our nations history worked so hard to bring about a sense of liberation, dignity and pride for people of african ancestry. i was there in 1987 and part of the congressional hearing we had. i was a member of congress to bring attention to this. i want to commemorate his birthday with all of you by pledging that all of us here now have the facts, who have the links, who will work to do ,verything we can to this done a good point was made about the court of public opinion, getting people in the streets, whether it is members of political parties, our social clubs and fraternal organizations, to get
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on board in a massive waste of that we are able to call attention in the court of public opinion to a case that needs to be resolved. we were all taught his children there is a time, place for all things. this is the time, the place in the season for this exoneration to occur. i am glad to be a part of it. >> any other questions? >> this has been -- my cup overflows. i just wanted to thank everybody coming out. the panel was a dream team. i can only possibly have the you, the founder of in ia. with this team and support
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everyone we can get it done this time. can pardon ama turkey. we see a lot of people being , falsely sentenced to a drug crime, given justice and reduced sentences. showe same light we can justice, delayed may it the. i see what you are at doing is an extension of his initial titian for a pardon. for he wasto die cleared his family would continue to fight and continue the good fight until it was done . i'm glad to see dr. julius is still finding. he has been fighting for decades.
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we should give him a round of applause for finding as long as he has. [applause] i want asked to quit questions if i may. very quick. i want an opinion. do you have anyone contacted or think we could get the support of eric holder? i wondered what your opinion may be of galvanizing support from him. to the naacp may be willing support the cause. butnow the historic nature i wondered if they would come out and support in your opinion. that is all i have to say. >> who would like to respond?
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ok. the ball is in the core of public opinion. >> thank you. i'm a member of the national press club. i'm also on the d.c. host committee for the national museum of african american history and culture. i had to get it out. i just came from their meeting today. i grew up with this. marcus garvey was like saying some great savior was here in town. martin luther king was going to be here, something amazing. great.re the
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this museum hopefully is going for all of usact to learn more about the african-american history. it is coming up very soon. i don't know where you live. they work that i'm doing is with the embassies. we have more embassies here than anywhere in the world. the history of the embassies in the connection to african-american history. university is our the new ambassador is going to be hosting a big concert that will bring on the 24th the same day as the official opening of the new museum. they will have watch parties all
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over the united states and here locally. ir those of us who are here want to extend an invitation. don't know ifo i there's something that has been done with marcus darby at the memorabilia.ere is >> i have none. be listeds to somehow. anyway. that you are all here today and we are talking smithsonian museum coming on board that has taken forever. there seems to be some convergence in terms of what you are doing. anyway.
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i'm going to stick around. i'm on this committee locally. >> thank you. dr.uld like to acknowledge frazer who teaches philosophy and opinions about young people. >> thank you very much for this important panel. thank you for spare hitting -- beer heading this. on the shoulders of what marcus garvey started. this notion of a black president or black leader signaling progress comes from the energy of marcus darby. i applaud this effort as much as i have doubts about obama doting it but i will still it for that strong reason. amy, -- who wrote
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definitive works on her and her .mportant influence regardinguestion is the obama administration did reply to this issue last year and they said time had expired. i wonder if justin could respond to this. how do we in light of knowing that, the obama administration two years earlier set the time has expired. if that legal argument comes up what will you respond? that ourod news is time has not expired. what happened in 2011, another attorney unconnected to the
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family submitted a number of letters and got a response from a former pardon attorney saying there was no opportunity for a posthumous pardon at that time. that attorney has been fired and he is no longer enough is. that application did not come from the family. the pardon is not a legal document where time expires on it. that wasn't correct. the pardons usually come towards the end of the president's term after the final election. time. right on this is usually the time when the pardons take place. >> a question over here?
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>> my name is jamal. i will be remiss if i failed to state that i am originally from milwaukee wear when i was a -- one of the story i wrote this was research into the rest -- residents of malcolm x. it is located in a place where the highway was cleared and they demolished the community to make way for the highway. and of course milwaukee is in the national news. is there a associated with this effort? the other question and maybe there might be some suggestions. has there been an effort to get the president on the record while the cameras are rolling?
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>> justice for garvey. justice 4 garvey. >> i am stunned by the lack of knowledge across the spectrum. i personally think that it is not impossible. i think the challenge is how do we organize ourselves, who is on the advisory committee to make this happen. part of the problem is most of the people who have taken up the challenge are intellectuals, who
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write the great stuff. it's not the people who get organized. i think it's an organizing? than anything else. >> will take two more questions. >> i'm a reporter with the african-american newspaper. is there any other benefits to being exonerated besides clearing the record? and what your father would think about the state of black relations in the u.s. now? >> i sort of alluded to that by drawing a straight line between 1916 and 2016. i think the extra benefit is to legitimize the person and the ideology. it's sort of like coming out of the closet. you don't have to whisper.
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there's a difference. i think a lot of people, because of the stigma from so many people come up to me and say my father or my uncle was in the organization. i used to go to meetings and so on. then i'm stumped. it's kind of a whisper thing. it's not quite proper within american society. even and caribbean society it is not necessarily robert aaron there is still something so verse is about the idea. that has to be listed. we will now be going on a campaign to spread the word again 100 years later. what he meant and so on. we would mention the hashtag.
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this is a grassroots movement. we need organizations, different social groups, individuals to stand up. and stand up for our rights as african people. we are going to be going very, very public about this and asking for support from all africans, wherever. >> along with the hashtag in the statement and the coin phrases and the logos and slogans is that we get the facts after that street so that passion doesn't distort the story. because that's what happens. i live with it. let's be really clear about what that paragraph is and where do we go for those bullet points and paragraphs. how do we state and research who garvey is. you can have a #and the t-shirt
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and the saying and then what? we need to be really clear about the language. who is dr. garvey, where -- why is there validity and importance, who we are now and sore for -- and so forth and so on. >> i would just like to briefly add i think that is an important point to ask what would garvey think? to me what would other black leaders in 1920's ask of the small -- of this moment. poets, the visionaries, the sculptors. as part of this movement the artists be creative and -- quick creative utterly. everybody has the same tools in the backpack. that's a statement about a
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moment of violence in black communities and so-called race wars. in reality it is similar to the moment. from that perspective artists have an amazing way of captivating our key -- ideas. sometimes it can help tell the nicer the movement. they should be a part of this process as well. >> this will be our final question. >> good afternoon. this has been an awesome experience and we all walk away from this experience and be really pumped up and excited. we are on the website, where can begin additional information so that we can continue so that we
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can continue to pass this forward and then she said make sure that we have our facts and our facts are correct. so if there's a website, i would really like to have it. if not, maybe there's a way that we can stay connected. thank you. >> and we have the media again and i'm going to respond to that. it was the 27th of june when it was ever given to the white house counsel's office. is that correct? >> okay. >> okay.
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>> yeah, we have copies that are available. we can also e-mail you copies of the petition and any other information that you are interested in giving. >> i'd also like to acknowledge those who worked very much with respect to the committee to bring this about, founder of the caribbean american heritage month. with response to your question about what more can people do, i'm going to take the liberty of saying this is going to be a small strategy session this afternoon at 4:00 o'clock at the howard university international center. it's at 3:00 o'clock. 3:00 o'clock at the ralph bunch center. to stat apologizerategize thank you so much for coming to this -- to strategize on what are the next tips. thank you so much for coming to this press announcing the
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historic filing of the petition for the exoneration through pardon of the honorable marcus garvey. this is the right place at the right time. we need to correct this historical wrong. thank you very much. >> before we close we're going to take a photograph of the panel here. and mr. congressman, could you join me for this picture? >> okay. >> if you'll just stand right here. we'll do it right here. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016]
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>> an information systems analyst talks about black markets in cyber criminals and their components and players, also the growth and increasing sophistication of cyber activities as more devices are connected to the internet of things.
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>> with insulin pumps now enabled with bluetooth, pacemakers that have a network component, fridges, lightbulbs, front door locks that can be controlled with the smartphone from anywhere in the world, and vehicles that are essentially computers on wheels, more has a digital component. interestingly, by the year 2020, the number of connected devices will outnumber the number of connected people by a ratio of six to one. that means that there will be six devices communicating at connecting with each other for every one person connecting or communicating with the device. and actually, that statistic i have been using for a couple of years, and it is crazy that we are in the middle of 2016. 2020 is not that far away. so we can expect there are more attack paths and landscapes for cyber criminals to go after,
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expanding greatly. therefore enabling more crime to have a digital component. >> catch the full conversation on black market and cybercrime thursday at 8:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. >> techcrunch held their annual technology and innovation conference in brooklyn, new york. gathereneurs and experts to talk about trends and new products. we will hear from several panthers, including the founders of foursquare and a discussion with bj novak, one of the stars of "the office." york. >> you go first. okay. thank you. >> hi, i'm katie rupe with techcrunch and baby any runs off , so if he stage, it's not because i'm
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asking a tough question but it's legitimate reason. >> i put my phone right here where i can see it, just in case. okay, all right. i understand. i guess that's kind of a big deal. we have jeff here, the incoming -- or the new ceo. what's the chance over the ears, you started out as a location-sharing app. and now you have two apps, a yelp competitor and the swarm. you're also a data company now. that. get to all of but i wanted to talk to you about your new roles. as executive chairman i wanted to find out are you so involved with the day-to-day? how are things different than before? >> day-to-day at the company five days a week. of things going on at foursquare both on the business and enterprise side and trying to make sure that we get to focus on the things that represent the reasons that we started the company. so a big reason for the role
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switch is that as it matures and turn into the amazing business we knew it would come, extremely talented business leader and he's running the day-to-day operations and true to our e stay goals and achieving our objectives. will foursquare differ under your leadership. dennis and i have been partnering almost two years now. a little morether than 18 years ago. we started taking these consumer apps and tried to bring them with the magic and set a goal to be a $100 million in the next siness couple of years and we've seen a direct path to that. art of it was earning our way in the world by figuring out how we create a sustainable business o we can keep invest nothing these great consumer products and keep innovating so in the built o years, we've enterprise and media products in last year grew 160% revenue.
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and so now they're the majority revenue of the company. work every dayto thinking about how to guide people to that next great, you burrito places they would never have discovered or that artisan ice cream place that has the salted carmel inside the cup cake. gets us up every morning but we also know we have nvestors and we just raised 45 million with morgan stanley and ventures and others. we have an obligation to be here the next 20 years inventing these things. balance is the hallmark of what dennis and i 20e been working on the last months, is to build a sustainable, successful business the future inventing of how mobile changes in the real world. the ability to discover real world or play a game in the real world. found interesting use cases for data, it turns out if people tell you where they're a lot about them
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depicted the ely decline in sales of chipotle e. coli scare and you found out about iphone sales ahead of time. you utilizing this and monetizing this, exactly? jeff: we have a whole suite of analytics products. insights.t when we predicted how many iphones apple would sell based foot traffic to apple stores or predicted mcdonald's would have an enormous quarter finally all their breakfast data, we've seen the foot traffic of the world. we thought chipotle would have 30% year over year decline in sales and it was 29% when it out. we're helping people figure out what's happening in the world. in it's easy because we work cag, that 93% of all consumer pending happens in the real world.
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there isn't a cookie in the real world. so we really have this chance to at the consumer products but kind of be the nielsen of the real world and we're building really sophisticated analytic productos that. it's foot traffic data of millions and millions of people round the world, we protect everyone's privacy where at the easiest level, predict cultural how traffic e changes where a bunch of academics in the u.k. were using foursquare data to predict which neighborhoods would gentrify hich we hear in brooklyn is awesome to be thinking about how neighborhoods change. so all these cultural trends of the real world we're able to and if you can't figure out how to build a profitable into ss with that insight 120 countries, you should go home. can.we know we icate -- from is this data voluntarily people checking in or how is this data being used. dennis: it's not just data from
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people that are checking in. one of the things we're really about that we're built over the last four or five years and it's technology called pilgrim. it's a code you can put on a device and depending on where the device is and the signal we exactly where it is and where it's been. that piece of technology is what's powering all the foursquare.e in how do we learn about the places you've been to so we can make smarter recommendations. that piece of technology makes it so when you check in on swarm, we know exactly the place you're in. also, for the 100,000 developers that are also building on top of that we're able to give them this ability to snap to the place all the time and services in the background is really what's powering this tremendous source of data which jeff is talking all of our feeding analytics tools. it's much more than hey i have to press a button in order to understand that. big part of our value proposition to partners and advertisers and the developers with is that we built this technology that allows people to understand this in the background. for those ld add
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trying to understand how big foursquare is becoming in our mission, you know, you don't foursquare user per for us to understand. we have a network of thousands of apps. because of our understanding of the shape of 100 million places we've crowd sourced around the if nike wants to find 18 million americans who work out three times a week or go running every morning and reach to them, e can enable that, both foursquare users and non-foursquare users through our pointed partnerships and if burger king wants to figure out if people happen to to shake shack and mcdonald's and offer them a deal apps, we canands of enable that and we can measure whether the apps work. thanks to ilgrim and our sort of crowd source shapes he world, our immediate business, which is the biggest ine, more than a third of consumer brands are advertising
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buying and advertising digital through foursquare. katie: with all this revenue, yet.ou profitable jeff: when we raised 45 million n january we set a goal to be profitable $100 million business in the next few years. focus on goal and we it every day and we'll get there. raising u mentioned some money, and it's a tough environment right now and it was slower fundraising than in previous rounds in the past. why is that? dennis: i think the business previously was valued on this foursquare app would grow up and be a facebook, and i er, a snapchat think what we started realizing a couple of years ago, that apps. the destiny for the the destiny was to make these things that we have tens of love.ons of things people we don't need 100 million or 300 million people using them every to be a der for it profitable business.
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when we talked to investors about what is this business? is the business evolving and what will it look like two years from now. what we have been working on rest of the foursquare team has been how can we build with tons sumer apps of data and insight into the real world, how can we monetize hat data through our relationships with develop ers and enterprises and advertisers. and that's been working out us.astically well for as part of that process, we had to go do a little bit of a reset expectation evaluation, but it's a really good spot. jeff: yeah, we were able to business the way you think about a public company, you know, real revenue, eal business now growing fast and so we're able to evaluate it. before, it was kind of evaluated early, so we're getting comfortable. morgan t investors like stanley and others, they -- they won't invest unless 10x their iple and
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money so it's a testament to the 20 months ofe last the business environment. and it's hard in this environment. here's a lot of start ups out there. unless you have enormous potential, you're not able to we're proudunds, so of the team and how far we've come. katie: what are you planning to do with the new funding? i understand you might expand to asia? to : yeah, well something ote is thanks to the funding, we've hired 35 people both here in new york and san francisco, so for the representatives of city, we're continuing to be company and ork headquartered in soho. we've added top people from like apple, eccentric hired the and we also head of an asian company and asia.g offices in a ceo is coming over to run abd for us.
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we have a ton of customers in asia. customer. grab taxi was a customer. and forth going back between singapore and shanghai to build up our partner network $45 million we raised in january is letting us staff up in ngineering, particularly enterprise and media sales to get the word out at the pace we've been growing. dennis: also worth noting, we are continuing to hire so if interested, go to foursquare.com and check it out. at that, get a job. does foursquare do well in asia? people using re ? arm and foursquare in dennis: we've seen it all over the world. we've been doing this seven years now. we've seen different pockets at different times. southeastica, brazil,
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asia, russia, have all been extremely very big, very quickly us.wing for and so -- that's funny because i think a lot of companies focus just on the u.s. and really a chunk of what's happening and what's interesting in the technology and the business side is happening outside of the u.s. world. so we're starting to think about in the next couple of years how work for us. to jeff: like a twitter or facebook, lots of companies, the global. is mobile phones are the internet outside of the u.s. for the most part and many parts of the world users in ow, we have dennis countries like mentioned, like turkey, mexico, and others.n, korea but a lot of what we're aiming to do is find those passionate explorers who love mapping the world and discovering new places or playing the swarm game and mayor and if we can get a few percent of every society in the world to participate in crowdsourcing model then, you know, a samsung or a, you wi chat or others are
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using all the mapping technology provide. the way twitter does, twitter in is you f countries now tweet and tag that tweet and that's powered by foursquare. pinterest topin on a specific place, you're using technology ata and to identify where that photo was taken and snap it. o we're doing those kinds of services for a bunch of asian evelopers like samsung, ten cents and wi chat and others and jeremy will be focusing on this terprise uses of global technology footprint. katie: when it comes to consumers, what do you think for are using foursquare these days? i know there were mayors and not mayors. dennis: each app has kind of its own personality. make swarm the fastest and easiest way to check in just for something fun to do during day, earning coins, as well
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as a life-blogging tool. people love that. it shows the quirky personality nd we're seeing a fantastic traction there. 8 million check-ins every single day. that's a tremendous amount of companies can put to work. and it's the same story from the beginning. people e how do we lead to amazing experiences and how do we do that, whether they're actively in the app searching something or just walking around, can we ping them and have their phone buzz in their their phonehey open and it's like oh, i'm supposed to go across the street to this place because foursquare told me to do that. really, we're the best at building a lot of those types of services. foursquare and swarm just continues to do that. mentioned there have been 9 billion check-ins on and i understand there's 15 million active users today, foursquare n both apps combined,; is that correct? and the web site.
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dennis: i was surprised when i heard those numbers. a lot ofave heard that people say after you switch the apps that some people didn't switch over to the new app. that a late decision in hindsight? would you have done anything differently or was that the direction? jeff: i think splitting the apps was the right decision. the app was getting complicated bloat and did we had two stories. and now we have two stories for two apps and works really well. the only thing we'd do differently is we did a lousy it to people explaining our thinking. this happens for this and this happens for this. maybe we'd do-over do a little better job on the messaging but that was 18 months ago, maybe longer than that. if you look at the numbers, particularly from data we're theecting and how satisfied users seem to be, all those things have rebounded so we're excited about the position we're right now. jeff: i would add, last year, we focused on bringing the magic swarm, some of the magic that made the original foursquare game so compelling tripled the s. we
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check-ins per user last year and was, you know, going back, bringing back mayorships, bringing back the coins, but the so much fun dialing up the quirky nature of it and so ow you have the triple x stick ers and if you visit enough coffee shops or artisan cocktail bars, there's all kinds of little games you'll see us continue to dial up this year. all-time high global daily check-ins so we're growth.d at that but there was definitely a dip during the split. split was s the already being implemented so i can't say i was there for it, deeply as stand now, we talk to consumers, the value of a city guy that gets to know pings you when you're in a new neighborhood and sit down at a new restaurant. to be a game t could be a great guide for explorers versus people who really want to have a social in the real ce world and be inspired to try new places and share locations that swarm is. each have deepened their
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experience, either as a game that you play in the real world as a city guy. so it's ultimately now both are growing but it did take a hit a while. katie: so there was an initial user decline but you're increasing engagement these days. i saw you have some cool partnerships on foursquare. on deliver.com. you get food and also alcohol. so many different delivery businesses already, why would people go to foursquare beyond there? rs out jeff: i mean, i think we have a bunch of partnerships like uber others. dennis: and open table. jeff: open table has been true for a while. i think it was less that we would join the app other than those companies came to us and wanted access to foursquare users and we wanted to make it more convenient for them. so i don't think that's a huge area for us. it's more like thinking about usefulmake the apps more and open table is a great partner, but it's very hard to search for a restaurant on open personally, i find, and so
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but if you have all the ecommendations from foursquare which knows the places you love to go, you know, knows my wife organic farm to table, you know, learns my inlaws love and potatoes and it tailors where they go. when they go to pick a it's just all n that more convenient to then book it through open table. but open table doesn't guide well to where they should discover. katie: there's so much more i want to ask but just one last question. the future of foursquare, should day, acquired some possibly? dennis: i mean, it's part of to get do with financing this company on the road, to be a strong independent company. all's what's happening with the leadership changes and the brand new people we're bringing in. we found a business that works well.y consumer apps are doing really well. everybody's excited about building this stuff. in a couple of months, there's always an opportunity for people like well would you go and work with this company?
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we have those conversations from time to time but a big part of hey let's go ike make this business work and that's what we're set up to do. good luck in your new roles and congrats on almost father.new us.nis: thanks for having [applause] you guys eck in with later. you.k thank you. ll of you, i'll be signing babies later. our next guest is somebody i'm really excited about because those tv body has food that are like comfort for them, you know, like the one you just have playing in the background all the time. that's "the office" and house b.j. novak in the which is a big deal. please welcome to the stage b.j. and dez with the list-up
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greg.ur moderator, [applause]. >> hey, everybody. jordan kind of covered it but to recap, dez and b.j. are app.cofounders of the list dez was the senior vice president of user experience. comedian,s a stand-up an author and you probably know writer, executive producer and costar of "the office." he was ryan howard. for coming out here. >> thanks. >> elevator pitch style, one or quick, whates, super is the list app? >> first of all, as we're today, we are now list. we decided to drop the "the" and "app." we were going to really bombard once.e with change all at
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so we're now list, l-i-s-t. people can communicate in this extremely elemental form of communication. our head.e lists in we all have lists in our phone, and we have our whole life in easy to communicate format that for some reason people haven't had an easy way to share. so this is a smart creative friendly substantive social way o communicate through the list it special? kes b.j.: other people can do it. is the es is t special people, something that looks and feels great and intuitive and herefore has invited a lot of people that are really making up his incredible community of very not only diverse people but humor and as of personality and of, you know, saying hat you do know
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unexpected things, so i think we gave a format that i think, you i won't take a bow on behalf of deb and the team, but and is very friendly intuitive and simple and the community is what makes it special. started, we rst weren't really sure what was going to be the predominant lists eople were making about. all we knew was we wanted to categoricallycall agnostic form where it wasn't driving too hard down any one vertical like places, tv, books, thoughts, opinions, whatever it might be. basic simple ry template and just kind of see what happened. about whether as it would be a mix that was more weighted towards practical or towards self expression but we didn't know what to point towards to say oh, this is going to be the predominant theme and i think hat's really cool is that something happens when you don't tasks. think about
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asking a very simple question like greg, how was your day today? tell me what happened. you to do that in a paragraph structure versus a list structure and it really hanges and makes it so much easier and you kind of -- it lets you write and get your to ghts out without having worry so much about the structure of the thought. a g: just to give people little bit more context, what are some of your favorite lists? what are some of the things making in it y that you enjoy? devin. mother's day, out jack and favorite users, black made a list, i can't emember the exact title, i'll paraphrase. it was reasons i miss my mother. his mother died and it was a felt list tful heart about kind of why mother's day was hard for him and how it was all centered around not having talk to while he was driving. it's a thing in l.a.. we need something to do while we drive. it ranges all from very kind of personal emotional lists on spectrum towards, you know,
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very kind of fun but still lists l but practical like my wife hallie makes all the time about her favorite photographs various places along the hikes and hey here's some cool spots you should check out if you ditch this trail for a minute. it's practical or not, there's this very, very to most personal vibe . the lists b.j.: there are over 250,000 you can the platform so imagine the different ways people will go through in the early days. kiooh ra, who many can of, end you've never heard an adult star, she made a list of how i prepare for work. list of emotional and physical stuff. if you ask anyone in this room, a quick d you write me essay on what it was like on "disrupt"?
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are you serious? but if you ask, could you list your thoughts on the way here? really easy so that's why we expected it to be a little more practical but it's you list your if favorite hikes, you're actually saying a lot about you and that marginscomes out in the even of a recommendation list. greg: i know you guys had some news and you mentioned the rebranding from the list to the with the dot in the middle there. what else is there? devin. are officially live on android. we've been live about six months launched aay we just fully functional android application. live now? at devin. live now on the play store. cool. very how'd you two meet? date.blind i guess the tech version of a blind date. i had a very basic idea, you kind of opened with, we love lists, every time we say i'm omeone and
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working a list up, you say, i love lists. allis there not a place for our lists. that was a place i had worked it out and thought i was pretty hey, done and asked around, is there someone you know that you could -- i'd asked every in tech, do you know anyone who could build this with me and i realized very it's like finding a spouse or a show runner in tv. it's the hardest task in the to cofounder. i met people who introduced me to people who introduced me to introduced me to people who suddenly i found this person who i knew or like you spouse or show runner, all right, this is the guy. how do i convince him? met in new york. greg: what was that like for you, dev? devin. it was probably a lot -- greg: was it surreal or just out of the blue? devin. of the retty much out blue and i'll be totally honest, i'm not a huge tv person and i my wife who b.j. novak, told me.
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and i had never seen "the office." up and, i don't know, we immediately just kind of bonded, just like personally, like we were both wore the same watch and ordered the same kind and i don't know we of gel thered and as we started to talk about just the basic thought of the idea, i guess the thing that struck me pretty immediately and really excited that, you know, the list has totally redefined publishings. i don't think there's been anything that's taken enough explored. ly greg: okay, at first that's done. to ugc and ing that creating a platform to the can take and people that version of their own buzz circle you'd same surround yourself on twitter or instagram. i don't know, i had that kind of concept in my head by the end of the dinner, and it sounds
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great. i will also say as a celebrity, you tend to be idiot or a genius by everyone who meets you and me was someone who treated like a guy with a pretty good idea that wasn't necessarily great yet. o that was what i was looking for, sort of somebody who took his seriously and didn't exaggerate either side of it. greg: do you think in your case it helped, being a celebrity, or hurt you? b.j.: i think it's helped in terms of people pick up the phone and check out what you're doing but i don't think it gets you that far. it opens the door and there's a whole array of bouncers at the door, and then you have to have something to show. but it certainly opens doors. find yourself er meeting people that are weary because you're a celebrity? because there have been other have handled at this differently. they have someone come to them my an app, cool, i'll slap face on that or slap my name on that brechlt i was extremely elf-conscious about that reputation and i wanted to do my
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to be the d be ready least smart person in the room. i think if you follow those two enter a new en you field, that's as good as you can start out. conscious of not being that and of really building it and trying it before we even talked about it, really getting somewhere first. i was if anything, oversensitive to that, because i do see people think that things i'm from the nd background to assume it will be hard. iowa app launched at the end of last year so it's months, almost exactly. b.j.: yaup. greg: how long were you working before launch? .j.: we started talking about it at the beginning -- late 2015. devin. and then we were in private data while, about seven, eight months, and we really kind of grew out the over the quite slowly course of that time and people,
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you know, in stages invited expanded that nd way and just like inviting nviting inviting, and that translated into something really cool because it let this kind of build its strength and positivity and in a cocoon of sorts and what's really exciting and awesome to see is that it hasn't missed a step since going live, that ethos and that personality really has held through public launch and growth. has a creativity to it. greg: so right when you guys you had a pretty usual out of ial base, right the gate. how was that coordinated? b.j.: i asked the people that i 8 or 10 here were celebrities on, they tend to get recognized. t wasn't a disproportionate number, but i think it was really fun to have it be this rivate data with a bunch of celebrities kind of walking around. it was like a party where you
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recognize some of the people it really think helped set the tone looking back f a really equal community where it didn't feel like people inauthentic. no one's publicist was making a list. fear right or wrong that lena dunham was going to anything because at that point, it was a very small group. eventually, when it got bigger, that attitude is still maintained. has having the celebrities at launch helped in the long run? came for those people have they stuck around? as i said before, it's great to hear anthony bordain is get posting and once you there you realize he's making a list of his favorite spy novels, restaurants.ite so i think it's great. i'm proud of all these people. it's not like i went through and just picked everyone out of a magazine, like andy cohen is a
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funny guy. it's not like there was any other thing behind that. i think that that spirit -- yeah, it's exciting. it's exciting to people you recognize but at the end of the day, it's like anything else, it will not take you the distance at all. devin. i think it also -- the celebrity of it, n't a huge part but i think it's really representative of what's so crazy cool about the platform is who, you know,ple you have some understanding of and it's largely on a surface level. the lists they're making and it's just a categorically in-depth look into who they are, it speaks to the type of expression that the in form brings out everybody. but i think when you can idea that t with an you have or an understanding that you have previously of makes it allink it the more stark. b.j.: i think it sets the tone a of who is on, that you know.
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ou mentioned a lot of celebrities were write ers and funny people and creative people tone of nk it set the that being the community. devin. and the data, i think these big have a tend', they're personalities so it can seem like they're a larger part of the community than they are and of the day, end probably only i don't know maybe 250, 300 people of note that are actually on the platform. 6,000 folks, it was so they were a pretty small part of that pie. reg: you guys mentioned a number earlier as to how many people were on the platform and how many lists being made. repeat those. devin. upwards of 250,000 counting made, about 150,000 users and, yeah. it's the early days. it's exciting. it really is. greg: you're already on iowa. android.re on what's next. is it the web? b.j.: that's another thing we definitely wanted to mention. web, we are trucking, my goal is
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in the next four to six weeks to a web product. greg: a web creation product? devin. it's going to be the full suite of capabilities that you iowa and android app. reg: we hear web is the new mobile. it's the name change to list. b.j.: we didn't want it to be an app anymore. and it made sense that 250,000 iphone screens tells us what could be done when you havectually be at work and time or search, et cetera, we're excited about it. devin. share.so just time there's times when it makes more sense to be on your laptop. sure. how has the product changed for your users? them?have you learned from what product changes have you made as a result of what they're telling you? b.j.: i think as we talked about earlier, the biggest thing has just been how like the-expression is core use of this product.
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people expressing something that emotional, and that can be raw. that can be very positive. just like very often if you read a list, there's a solid chance it's going to have some thing to do with me expressing like emotion, i'm feeling, what my thoughts are in a passionate so we've really tried to embrace the strength of the community, i guess. up e always trying to come with new ways that people can et exposed to new people that they might like, get exposed to lists they might like. connections digital are very strong they're making with each other and they into even so far back as the data, these organically ups.ed meet someone made a list, hey, everyone in l.a. in the data, you want to meet up at a bar? and like a hundred people showed up. and yeah, more than anything else, we just embrace the
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vibrancy and the of the nectivity community and try to architect. b.j.: and we're doing a list ive show in brooklyn at the doll house where a bunch of people will read their lists. the idea that it's a very expressive form. that's kind of where our resources have been headed for. at the beginning if you asked us months out, six there may have been more of an emphasis on oh, if you type in a auto fill, et d cetera, which a lot of places do and we may have some day but an expressive of community and i think we've been listening to that. reg: so with regard to making transitions into things like list live, could this be a new talent finding platform? writing these people these lists and you're bringing them on stage. nurturing? b.j.: oh, yeah, my favorite last list at the live show, this guy dennis flin, never heard of him before, met came out to l.a. to do this. if you look him up on the latform, all he does is thoughts of a... and it's an
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internal monologue. a really bad spot. thoughts of a children's irthday party magician who realizes mid-trick that the rabbit in the hat has died. 80-item list son you're just going through it and, you know, the crowd loved it. that's a great piece of talent, yeah, there's really incredible people and we're going to bring them out on monday too. greg: cool. good. j., back at the end of last year, you were on a pod cast. admired i've always tech from the outside the way people always admired hollywood. it was a glamorous cool thing. so you've been in it six months now, a little longer than that, on the data. glamorous as you thought? b.j.: it is to me because to me, and center and i think being star struck by
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someone who is actually inventing the future, someone from sidewalk labs, like that to me is so much more interesting a slightly who has different take on a horror it's reality in a way that is being dreamt of in real time. i think it's way more glamorous. devin. totally see that. the cofounder was back stage across the room and i was like i man.nothing to say to this i'm like so shocked, so unable say. ink of anything to b.j.: right. he invented something and you talk to instead of a person. greg: so what's the end game here? what is success with this project? a profitable big thing? is it just building a really cool community? you go, all do right, we've done a really good job here? >> when the web site crashes. i would say if there were the place everyone thought
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to put the list. any list that says something or share selves something they want to share, i'd love it. on a product level, it would be best place to put any list. we got great vas. silverman of n pinterest at a restaurant and i asked if we could come in and talk to him and get advice we really admire pinterest. his advice was think about independent of the product, what as it was app, called at the time. if in 10 years you couldn't it, what would it be. we all talked about it and thought it would be a structured self expression. so whatever that means to people, if it's a structure that easier, to expression us, i think the best place in the world for that, and that means, you know, as our name says, a list. so i think if this were the best to put their yone thoughts, their feelings, their advice, whether it's best food to order at this or thoughts on being a widow. if it's all here, i think it
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to d be a wonderful place explore. greg: is it a business eventually? do you care about that? i mean, we're talking about creating something very valuable, so there will be a way to make that how very valuable but right now i think we're focusing on creating our hearts know in is valuable. devin. that's obviously something we think about but right now trying focused on just building a product that people really love and keeping this community as it can be as it grows. i looked around a little bit. i couldn't find it. have you raised any money for this? venture capital? >> yeah, we raised a seed round last may. okay. can you disclose how much? devin. yeah. raised $2 million. greg: okay. cool. devin. so a handful. of lists can be the most popular. is it the one from celebrities? really good stuff
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from users? .j.: i wouldn't break it out binarily that way. whether it's from a celebrity or not, nd more often than it's not. it has to be personal, i find. like it has to be personal and revealing. it has to be a little bit like putting yourself out there, you know, rable, and i think what people are really excited about is the response they get from that. social media trades in currency, right, some form of currency. i think is great and so efreshing here is that that currency is authenticity, is eing truthful, being more expressive. putting yourself out there and kind of hoping people will catch ou, i suppose, and that's what people are being rewarded for and i think that's what they really are enjoying about it. yeah. okay, cool. so one last question. we'll end with a fun one. michael scott on "the office," if anybody doesn't michael scott made a list, what would be on it?
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99 : he would probably tag different people and ask if they'd like to be his friend. laughter] greg: that sounds right. reasons i'm the best boss. actually still never stopped having ideas for "the office" and i've made a couple of lists "office" ideas i wish we could have done for office 2012. beats by dwight, like the headphones, i wish we could have done that. done a e could have snowden-inspired episode where yan unleashes everyone's information. i'm glad you asked that. once you write for something like that, i think those live inside ways you. greg: yeah, never leaves you. right on. much. you so [applause] in may of this year.
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year. >> hi. hey. >> morning. it's so early. early. it is >> thanks everyone from the west coast for waking up at 3:00 a.m. you.ust to see >> of course. >> obviously. >> suck down that coffee, guys. me.hey're not here for they're here for you. >> for those of you who don't know, you should know. know, maybe you're at the wrong conference but gify gifs and ch engine for it has a suite of tools that let and create gifs you can do ng else as a gif essentially. so i guess how i wanted to start gifs have been around a time. why are not only publish ers and platforms so excited about it, but consumers. growth in the popularity of gifs has just been extraordinary. wondering why now? >> i think gifs, the essential
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they're just , short silent videos, those have always been around since the invention of cinema. always n -- we've referenced scenes from movies, we've referenced quotes. alluded to certain imagery and set them on tv. technology hasn't been there to share it. exactly like the time when the invented, we s was could put out books into the world. photography was invented. to capture -- before then, you had to paint. and now the mass population put out gifs or photographs into the world and ou've seen recently, tumblr started all of this. shout out to tumblr for being he first platform for allowing gifs to play natively inside a social network. and since then, photo shop, cut, after effects, all tools that were pretty esoteric film-making industry were available to the rest of the world and now we're able to cut them across the internet. so essentially, the demand had
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lways been there, but the technology just hadn't caught up. and only in the recent years has the technology been available to ut these moments of human culture and information and send them out to the internet. and that's why you can see, you about over a billion gifs a day. of the demand of people wanting to share these moments and wanting to reference to this kind of information and share them out to their friends and express themselves. we ool and, you know, when got on the phone to prep for this, you're like, you know, we could talk about competition but any.n't really have let's not do that. and so i think it's a good time or us to talk about competition. integer, and even google to an extent. everyone wants to be part of this market and there's no doubt you guys are very dominant in it. but i know you guys just acquired gif-grabber? it's an awesome tool
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for making gifs from any video on the internet. put it on your screen -- you can buy riffy but you google.uy it's super cool and quite the headline but when you have another search engine that is so the ful, they don't have same database as you guys do or the same tagging system, et google but you know that wants this space. >> yeah, well, i think the gif you guys t to give some like reference on it, it's still small. doesn't know what a gif is. most of the world doesn't know what a gif is. there's room enough for to be part of the gif space. what we're trying to do is make the entire space popular. in gif e who is working technology, we want to work with you, like everyone. tried to do our best to work with everyone that's out there. technology, like gif grabber, and it's an amazing tool, now it's

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