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here is what mine looks like and i did really good and they might not be good for you but if we consent to get that information in the hands of people and they can share that with others, we need a social network for help that can rival something like facebook. brinkhink we are on the of an era where we don't have to pay for genome sequencing. i think we will get it for free and somebody else will pay for and i am interested in having that platform where people can their information in one central location because all the data is silent.
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thank you for being with us. >> what is the message resigned this. >> it is a big narrative of what they have been pushing for a long time that he is the person that can bring change to a .olitical system >> focusing on the economy and john edwards campaign as a .emocrat
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>> i think this points to a water issue which is his assertion that the political thats work in a way freezeout ordinary people or make a system against them and i think that is what the slogan is about. , more so than the separation of prosperity and that was their case in 2004. >> it was a new spot. >> the middle class gets crushed and spending goes up, taxes go up. hundreds of thousands of jobs disappear. get tax reliefs and millions of new jobs are created. dream iscan
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achievable. . >> i am donald trump. >> we are joined by the associate editor. where the ad on the air and how much of the campaign are they spending? million and it is focused on battleground states. quite a number of them. >> of the hillary clinton campaign releasing a new ad. >> i am hillary clinton and i approve this message.
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>> his suits in mexico. he outsourced his products and .obs >> the latest from the hillary clinton campaign. how big is the economy? >> i think it is huge. do not gof americans ahead economically and don't feel the benefits of does oppose and recovery until the room great recession so i think it is massive and particularly important in a number of .attleground states in the past donald trump hoping to win states like ohio, pennsylvania and other states and nothing the toyou just played intended
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head them off the past. spots but in32nd 2016 with some anime media choices and the influx of social media, how important is advertising, paid advertising? >> many people would say hillary clinton has jumped up because has been getting ready. there is some kind of saturation point with tv advertising. >> this is the headline and donald trump hitting hillary clinton in the new ad.
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a conference on women and blogging. and how it has changed since the .970's >> it is an honor to be moderating this conversation today. we have had some technical it is fores that today as well. the first thing i want to do is talk about why this conversation is so important and why we're thrilled to be invited to have this conversation. i have been part of this -- i was inicially
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college and i was first organizing this and now i am running this organization called women action and the media. that analysis and it feels important to me as a person who calls her self a feminist but also it feels important to me at this time in our history as a people in the conversation about the election that is happening now, the conversations around policy issues facing us. as somebody working through opening my own family and thinking about issues of motherhood and a quality as it were -- relates to that, so much i want to learn from the generations before me and so much that my generation and the
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generation after may have to give up about how to make it equal. i am thrilled to be joined by bit generics will be here to talk about the triumph of the movement, the sacrifices and the mistakes made in the past level help us form our present and future. we going to talk about our perspective, we're going to talk about the missing from where we stand. i believe in multiple feminisms. i believe there are other people who do it differently. i'm of the mindset that other people can call their cells feminists and it is still is making the world more equal. we got to talk about how we can work together to grow the movement and move beyond our silos -- are going to talk about how we can work together to
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grow the movement and would be on our silos. sure we haveke time for the organizing meetings and we want to take it vantage of all the minds in the room. -- advantage of all the mines in the room. everyone will tell you who they are and what brought us to this place. then you're going to get into some of the questions i have and get into your questions. introduce going to each panelist and they will tell you the real part of who they are. we have kelly. trendhor and global spotter. we have alex, the cofounder of a website. and the at word -- f word contest winner. i voted for video to be number
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one. video to be number one. presidentngeli, vice of a foundation for women. she is a colleague and a friend. i would not want to be in the trenches with anyone else been than angeli. pleased to be with you. first, we will talk to kelly and hear what feminism means to you and what brought you to this conversation. >> thank you for can you hear me? -- thank you. can you hear me? ok. inky. it is -- great -- thank you.
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it is great to be here. i have been to all of the conferences over the years. beforeou all way back you got started. when i heard what they were doing, i've been with them every step of the way. ketchun and im have run our global marketing practice or a decade. i'm also a published author of the book too busy to shop. probably most importantly, i am a mom. a sister, friend, and and. and a woman who things about feminism and what it means to me. i do it from a couple of perspectives. one is from the personal perspective. days that ihese have a son who is 16 and a daughter who is next door to us 12.
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-- 12. -- who is 12. i was in a conversation with my the and it is amazing how perspective between generations can change. my daughter and my niece who were there when i asked what feminism means to them, they did not know. doesn't matter? --does it matter? feministy kids in a household and i thought, what does that mean? am i doing a good job? or are things so equal in their world that they don't need to think about that? that is when it came down to. we can do what we want and we feel great in the classroom and they are so comfortable in their own skin and feel good about their opportunities. when i talked about this topic with my son who is 16, he said,
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you are sitting on a feminist panel? what if you were to conference and there was a meninist panel? world, things seem to be so equal and girls and boys are treated pretty equally. he does not see the disadvantage. when i talk about unequal pay, it is such a foreign concept. i think about it from that perspective and how has that -- their views changed ideas -- my views? what i do everyday is counsel clients on how to represent then, families in communication. i work with at agencies and with marketing. i feel like i have a great response and a great ability to help marketers
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understand the women are in how andrtant -- who women are how important it is for them to be portrayed in the right way. >> thank you. now i would like to hear from alex about the same question. >> my name is alex. i work as a video editor here in los angeles. i specialize in document terry and social justice work. i make from -- and a proud feminist. a websitee cofounded and it has articles and videos that we think all young women need to know. our motto is we are creating a articleree world one at a time. a camera this idea that at the graduate college, there are some things you don't know how to do.
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how do you set up a 401(k)? how do you fix air-conditioning? it is an open forum where women can share stories and join a nationwide network of women. i work on the website with it bunch of other also ladies. we decided to enter a bit of and what doesd feminism means you? we created this video. [video clip] >> this part of me is seen as too distracting. this part of the is taken less seriously in boardrooms. makes othersme
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think i should not show my vulnerability. me is asking for it. determines mye privilege. me means my part in this world isn't dictated by my gender or the parts of my body. this part of me takes a stand against prejudice. this part of me pushes my creative boundary.
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this part of me lifts of others in my community. me develops groundbreaking innovation. this part of me shatters glass ceilings. feminism to me means my part in this world is determined by my choices, my actions, and the parts of my character. [applause] >> beautiful. [applause] and now, angelique. >> i will start off with my video because i have a very interesting story about how i
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even got to this foundation and the fact that i was not always a feminist. at least i do not think i was. -- did not think i was. with is going to start a project that happened for me when i first started working for the foundation. ilot of my friends were -- consider myself a black feminist or a womanist or a humanist. i don't understand why you would work for a feminist organization. it led me to ask the question of, what does feminism mean to you? we put together over three days 42 different women, men, transgender, black, white from and ask of seven-81 them that exact question. -- asked them that exact
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question. is a composite of what happened. [video clip] ♪ >> people have their own impression of what feminism was about. many people often thought the word itself left out the history individual the voices. it was often defined in the media i white men. at the end of the day, when i look at myself in the mirror, i'm a black woman and i did not know where i fit in that. feminism at the beginning makes people uncomfortable. >> i never identified as a feminist. it is because the images of what i had of a feminist were these images of white women and privilege. >> critic who i was as someone
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born female was very much a feminist act that was on the shoulders of so many freedom fighters before me. >> in the 60's and 70's, there was one way to express them is in. today, there are just as many ways -- days as there are women. -- gays as their are women. as there are women. >> we all come to the table with our own stories. we bring the collective histories of whatever tribe we come from. troops --on is, what truths are missing? >> my feminism is always intersectional. heard?ices are not being who is not at the table that you do not realize? feminism needs
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to center those most impacted and look at all the conditions that women face. i was raised by a feminist, i was raised not to be a feminist but to have a level of understanding of human interaction and i think being in that environment it was easy for me to be a feminist. >> i try to align my politics using intersectional feminist lens which means i made decisions on if this is good. >> what that binds me to the core belief that all individuals, men, women, and anybody who defines themselves should have access to the social, political, and economic equality. >> what make a feminist is i understand that if women are not free, i could not be free. as a gay man, really
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understanding that the struggle is my struggle. >> understanding that everything a person is equal. >> my feminism is a form of pay. faith. the faith to believe that women are whole, complete human beings have all the rights and privileges of every male human being on the planet. ♪ >> feminism is the social, economic and political equality of all genders. [applause] one of the great things about
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is the that it definition of what i have come to believe. times therelot of are startups when it comes to feminism. -- stereotypes when it comes to feminism. i am not mistaken. why would i be a feminist -- man hating, why would i be a feminist? one of the things i love about how feminism is transitioning is it is about identity. it is about defining who you are and the ability to say, i'm not a feminist or i am a feminist. but it is also about setting the table the right way. have a video of the same people who all did the same job or look-alike. -- look-alike. -- looked alike.
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and said,r interviews i'm going to say this before i get on camera. we are like, cool. say it. we want you to say that. it is part of the conversation. one of the things that i love about being a feminist's every day i get to wake up and have this conversation. i didn't have the conversation where someone says, i don't agree with that. you have the freedom not to. that is the core part of this. you have the freedom to get up every single day and not have the fear that if you disagree with someone else that all of a sudden, you are devalued. or you have less opportunities because you decide to wake up and you feel that your core that your identity is not female. your identity is not male. you're not binary. if you wake up one day and decide that i'm going to pay my tone as green and that my hair
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ofple, that you can go out your home and have the same social, political, and economic opportunities as any other human being. exactly part of it is why i am a feminist. it is where i get up every day and work as hard as i can to find people of all genders were working for that core parts. i'm lucky enough to work at the isndation where that amplifying the voices of women to ensure that they are empowered and engaged to create the solution in their own communities. to be able to change that and balance of equity. -- and balance of equity. -- imbalance of equity. >> thank you so much. i want to have some real talk about what comes up at happy hour we can bring to the light. i have been a lot -- part of a
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lot of conversations. sometimes women of color we talk or what else or sometimes i will be the only person in a conversation with older women. i have heard some common themes. working with legos -- millennials who have not paid their dues. they need to get on board and understand that we know the right way to go. wow, think i've heard is, i never get to take ownership of my power. people just want me to do busywork. i'm not getting the support that i need. i'm not getting to express passion in the way that i want to because my workplace is not understand that social media has impact. another thing that comes up at is --art, -- our, this hour, this is one of the most
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historic moments of our time. i cannot believe that these xoung women are not supporting candidate. on and on. many of us have heard these conversations. many of us have felt strongly fingered -- triggered. i think that is why it is important to have this conversation. to bedays, we're going facing some very serious impacts the medical wins around economic childcare, the supreme court and reproductive rights, all of those things are going to be impacted by the decisions that are made. right now, there are varying and diverse there is obtained who call ourselves feminist or
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people who believe in equality. here's a debate out there about whether it is a good or bad different we had approaches to reach equality. andst wanted to ask you have this be a conversation right now about what you think about this moment? it is a time where we had to have a complete unified strategy and unified terminology? or is this a time where we can to get to these contradictions -- dig into these contradictions? these are the questions that i would like to hear from you about what feminism means to us and about whether this moment necessitates specific action. >> i feel like if i am being true to myself and my least and even the feminist movement which andore about opportunity
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dreams that can come true for everyone regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, a difference, -- any difference, then i feel like there is room for people to many different ways. depending on where you are in your life and your area of responsibility. to my personal perspective, how i feel like i can impact and beings a parent able to talk to my kids about why this is a historic moment and engage them in conversation. if you don't think about it, you don't explore it. having the conversation and understanding the differences of opinion is important. when i think about myself as a how ir -- marketer and can counsel the same way every time.
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-- can't counsel the same way every time. if they can do it in a way that is right for them and the company and still be true to showing humans as humans and doing the things right, that is the way they go about it. when i think about myself and the workplace. not every situation is the same. being active in supporting women and helping them think about what is going on enabling them to make their own decisions. decideeedom of choice to how you want to pursue it is important. i think it is an interesting question. it brings up two things for me which is, as a motto i have which is my liberation is not your's to define.
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i am an 80's baby. that makes a difference. i make current identifying woman of color on the south who worked in d.c. and now lives in brooklyn. my problems are different. it boils down to that. when i first walked into the miz foundation i had come from politics and i looked at my boss and i said, teresa, you know i'm not a feminist. she was an avid feminist. me and said, cool. do you believe in the social, political, and quality of all genders -- equality of all genders? and i said, of course. who would not believe in that?
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a lot of people actually don't believe in that. polling wee did that did not get 100% of people who believed in it, but when we said, do you consider yourself a feminist, only 60% of people said yes. 16% of people said yes. them if they believe in social, political, and economic equality of all genders, it jumped three times that. that some things you said were poignant. not every client is going to approach the quality -- equality in feminism and issues that impact women in their communities because our densities are so much broader than what people consider to be those women's issues. i truly believe you are right, every come -- everyone comes to
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the table differently. three month after working for the foundation, i walked into my boss office and i said, hey, you know i'm a feminist, right? she looked at me. rolled her eyes. ok. glad you figured it out. and i walked away. one of the things i appreciate about that conversation and this goes back to your question, she did not force that on me. she did not say you have to be a feminist or you can't work for the foundation. which some people would believe in. issues, weach these have to approach them like that. we have to be able to say, i don't think a man can't be a feminist. of course a man can't be a -- can be a feminist. the believe in social, political, and the quality --
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economic equality? sure. opportunity to having more partners and allies and more people at the table with brilliant ideas. we came up with black men and feminism. about a trans man talk how there is privileged in being a trans man and that he has seen both sides. that part of the conversation we are not having if the table was not open to different perspectives and different ideas and people who are allowed to identify themselves in such a way in believing that it is about the quality. -- equality. this equality as the connected tissue. there is that goal.
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liberation can look like many different things. i think a lot about how there is a difference between righteous questions back into we need to dive into about our various identities. and sometimes the media prorating these movements and disagreements to perpetuate the stair types about women and trans people that are divisive. stereotypes about cat fights and feminist hysteria in order to undermine women's agency. i was wondering if you could talk about what your thoughts are about how we can challenge this trend?what can we do when we do disagree? what do we do we call out culture and twitter to support each other and not derail each
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other? think you can have different views but for me it is all about promoting something that is empowering and inclusive and positive overall. spread thisve to culture. you can create your own sphere if you don't see yourself in the media for you can talk and discuss openly. i think as long as we are trying ,o amplify all voices equally then we are already working toward something good. >> i think there is a second part to that. within the silos, there have to sitting outions there saying we will make a space for you. i think that is also something that is very important in the conversation. saying this people group is doing something amazing and creative and intersectional,
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let's make sure we are making them so that they are part of the conversation. that is an interesting and difficult demand. they would rather see a catfight on twitter between nicki minaj and whoever it is last week, i'm sure. i don't pay attention. or point out who is naked on what cover of what magazine. that all comes down to consumers. are we being responsible consumers? or do we want to see what happens between these people? literally, what is it? >> wondered about the best practices and ethics. i was thinking about your work about that. i think in the space we are
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talking, we have a lot of work to do to be more inclusive and .o the work there are a lot of people thinking about intersectional berry and feminism -- theory and feminism. i'm wondering when you are positioned as a marketer and in an industry which might be male-dominated like technology, how do you bring this up or were there may not be apply -- multi generational viewpoints? i wondered --interested in your thoughts? >> from a marketing standpoint, i think we can come i always try to be a smart steward of my clients marketing and image to make sure it is very much in line with the research that we see.
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we do tons of research into women and monsters make sure they are portraying women's and -- women and mom that is consistent with how they want to be seen. also be more outspoken and tried to be change agents within the organization. there are wonderful things happening within the marketing space. i see a whole resurgence of women finding their voice and helping men find their voice so we can all work on that together. i also think there is something specific we can all do to help each other. it is not so much finding your voice. 18 months ago, did a global research study in conjunction aboutlogher and it was trying to understand women and rolethe role -- and the they play as breadwinners. they found that even were then
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expected, about four in 10 women were now the breadwinners. we thought it was closer to five. whos about half of women are on par or breadwinners in the family. it is fantastic. the earning power of women has gone up to medically. we -- dramatically. we also found there were a couple things that were disturbing. more stress. and i heard sheryl crow mentioned that you have to nurse yourself before you could nurse others. women tend not to do that. when women start to make more money, they lose track of their own health. people who are not in good health can't be good stewards of anything. including feminism. if you are not in good health, then the role model you are setting for the next generation is probably not the net -- greatest it could be. think if there is one thing we
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can all do for each other, it is -- i would not focus on the it becameivisiveness, ask our mom, girlfriend, sister, what have you done to take care of yourself? did you get your mammogram? why don't we take a walk? it is ok to take a little bit of time off of work and do what you need to do. get a massage. maybe we should eat better. i think if we could all help ourselves and our friends and peanut relatives take better care of -- female relatives could better care of their health. that can actually really help women in their lives. provocative comment about how we can stop all this. i would wonder if feminism is the right word?
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how few said about people identified as feminist but how many people identified with the underlying principle. is it time for a new name? is humanism the new feminism? i don't know. maybe there is a way to be more inclusive with the terminology so people associate more with what they already associate with in name and not just philosophy. we have had that conversation. we have talked about it. the double-edged sword. we know a lot of reasons why people don't associate with feminism is because there was a propaganda campaign done in the 70's and 80's. we also know we're looking at the first generation that grew up with feminist moms. you were growing up with moms who are making decent money. they see the world differently. there this understanding that
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maybe feminism was not running at fast as we wanted it to run the kind how the world was changing. there is a lot of really good -- it is a good point. i also want to go back to the self-care thing. we are acting starting to look at what that means for activists now. not just get everyone else, but as people are fighting the good fight. as people are on the ground fighting for better pay and equal jobs and people are fighting for reproductive justice, we're not looking at -- we're looking at this and how you are giving everything you have and doing all the things at the same time, how about we take that step back and look at what it means to do the self-care? the movement can continue going on. -- can't continue going on. you can't have the movement if everyone is burnt out. things, sheey
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talked to feminists. are we still fighting for the same things we were fighting for 25 years ago? the thing is, yes. you are. it is a little different. the micro aggressions arguments ann callis. countless.and day, we sitf the there and talk about it, we are still fighting for the same things. we are fighting for the same opportunities. you look at the tech field and a philanthropic field, we have the same problem. there are not enough women in senior leadership. there is not enough diversity in senior leadership. what that is education, race, geography. socioeconomic background and
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understanding how you reach out to people are working with. that also goes to the conversation as well. i will get off my soapbox. i think how people are focusing differently when they are doing marketing. for me, because i have the background, i think what you do everything that they is no different than what an activist does everything ok on these issues. trying to get lawmakers to pay attention. try to get the press to pay just as much attention. it is the same fight across the spectrum that your clients are dealing with everything ok. like thecompany growth values -- reflect the values that i feel with my family? that is one of the great things about having women be the deciding factor were a lot of money goes. there is the added conversation about whether this company
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reflects me. >> i have been working with client whirlpool on a campaign called everyday care. campaign.ntastic it addresses women as caretakers and acknowledges that some people and semi rolls, women, men, grandparents, aunts are really now -- relieved now. the family is not the traditional family now. sony people have different roles . they have but a campaign around it and have acknowledged the importance of caretakers. they took the campaign one step further with a part of the campaign called care accounts where they installed washers and dryers in a couple of schools here as a test program. in those schools, kids don't necessarily come to school with clean clothes. they are sensitive about that.
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they installed these washers and dryers and found they could impact attendance at school with kids having cleaner close. hes.think about -- clot you think about coming to a fantastic things like that helping families and youth -- i feel privileged to have a role in something like that because it is further feminism and furthers dreams coming true for everyone. what i think is powerful about that with this idea of self-care. the individual level and the collective level. as an organizer, i'm interested in. and amazing black feminist loss per -- philosopher said self-care was an aspect of activism. when the marginalized communities survived beyond and
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when we thrived, that is a way to weild power by prioritizing ourselves. i think this idea about care is important. when we think about culture shifts as well, to see that companies are talking about caretakers is exciting to me. there are arguments about caregivers across generations doing great work about caretakers in making sure their policies enhance for caretakers. as someone in my mid-30's now the care taken that my parents have to do for their parents that they are living longer and the kind of support they need to give an what happens to social security when you enter your 90's as a woman. all of the things have emboldened me to fight more for elders. that connection between
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movements and how these theersations get enacted in mainstream are important. promised, we will have an organizing meeting component. wrangler is going to have the microphone for anyone who would like to ask a question or debate, so we can engage in discourse together. live this is being filmed for c-span so speak directly into the microphone. >> thank you. ee johnson and i'm an entrepreneur. i am moved by some of the things you said in terms of -- two things.
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feminism be the right word and then you talked about care. the way i have come into feminism is actually the way that we get to that more equal world for everyone is to actually elevate what has been seen as feminist. care. the examples is i think that, yes, i agree the definition of the missing beat it goes beyond that. we get the equality by noticing that things are imbalanced and that there is energy in our culture and it does not come it is not necessarily men versus women. my work is all about putting women and girls centerstage in the conversation because we need to bring things into balance. what has happened is that gets
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into issues of gender difference in a way that gets tricky. how youous to hear respond to that in any of your work. talking about men being like this and women like this come at the same time, there are things we understand to be in the feminine realm that we all need like care and compassion. i think that is going to happen up. we rise revolutionary. i want to know if you can speak to that in terms of how you addressed this tricky issue with gender difference?
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>> how insightful. it is a beautiful definition. letting feminism be showcased and rise to the top. that is an interesting insight into care. i will take that back to talk about that. with my team. i have also seen other things may be along those lines. and i think about campaigns like a girl which is gotten so much recognition. and highlighting starting with the negative and highlighting how those things are positives for girls. about a campaign the girl scouts did, same kind of thing. startsvocative way it and then gets two things that girls are very good at. how you can be constructive around highlighting the
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leadership skills of girls. it's interesting how people come at it at different ways as opposed to head on. under armour did an awesome job with their recent campaign. i get a can every couple of years for the gold line marketing festival. over the past couple of years, you see a huge trend there for marketing with a purpose. tentimes that purpose is empowering girls. i've been delighted to see and i think clients are realizing there's a lot of power in tt. i predict happening in the future is empowering boys again. girls are now getting coege degrees and masters degrees at high levels. we're not herto have a competition of who can do it seen so muchi've
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benefid. on girls and they have i n e thpendum swingin towards helping bo d se setimes boy lost i think it starts with to decide whaten their personalities will manifest as. we have -- as a society, boys don't cry. rls ot plawi actio gures. my personalavite goldieblks. we honor them a couple years. one of the reasons is because i hate pink. i have a personal problem with pink. whenever i try to buy a pair of running shoes, they are either pink or purple. nt a pair ofe running shoes. i want that to be ok.
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i want people to not go, why is the entire workout section pink and purple? the guys have black and yellow and blue. i he what you are saying. we have to take a step back and think about, two centuries ago, guys are wearing dresses and the names were courtney d ashley. as society have made decisions on what is inherently feminine or max going. -- mculine. i love wearing bow ties. that should be ok. it does not mean i'm being masculine or be like a guy, it just means i don't lik-- i really le the ties. mple whent as an exa you allowed children to decide
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whether theydentify as non-binary or as feminine or masculine, i know a lot of guys dads who are 10 times better at being caregivers than moms. i don't change diapers, handle them. step back ande a allow those things to be instead of try to divide -- defined them. --efine them. >> there's a difference between masculinity and prospect masculinity. these constructs of gender, just like race, do not exist. .heris no dna code for race it is something that created, and aleutn -- an allusion when we think about gender, that is another thing we need to talk abou the reas


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