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a russian-led sort of security/economic group. so erdogan has shown just enough seriousness about wanting to get close to russia. turkey is historic enemy russia. with whom there predecessor empires fought 14 worse. and for whom at a popular level, i think there is very little trust on either side but, i think it is at least put into play whether or not there is some sort of dramatic change about to take face in turkey's's attitude toward russia and consequently toward nato and the west. mr. misztal: go ahead. mr. danforth: it is almost when everyone went and met with kuhn when both people in the administration and the press almost seem so eager to point out to washington how worried they should be by all of this. it almost seemed like they were telegraphing a little too hard that this is something that
should get people's attention. mr. misztal: last week, we saw statements by the prime minister of turkey that they would consider allowing assad to stay in transition power. they said it last fall. mr. makovsky: one of the key factors linking to what turkey has done in syria of course is turkey was afraid to go into syria. they were afraid russia would respond militarily. mr. misztal: let's just talk in more detail about exactly what turkey is doing in right now and why we think that is -- nick, do you want to talk about the geographical basics of what is going on?
mr. danforth: we also have a handy reference map to look at while we discussed this because it gets remarkably detailed remarkably quickly. there has been ongoing tension between the united states and turkey over what the main objectives are in syria, both the united states and turkey wanted assad to be gone. i think the united states maybe a lot more quickly, turkey again gradually over the past year really came to terms with the fact that assad was going to stay into power. one thing they do agree on was generally appointing anti-assad --bles in and around rebels in and around aleppo. some disagreement about who those would be. turkey really favored al nusra, who washington was deeply uncomfortable with. that was one of the parts where
u.s. and turkish health the aligned. the tension came in the conflict between isis and a syrian affiliate of a kurdish organization that the turkish government is fighting a civil war with in its own territory. for strategic reasons given turkey's long history, the focus was very much on preventing the ypg from using its gains in syria to strengthen its position regionally and therefore against the turkish government domestically. the united states, while initially sympathetic with some of these concerns, was -- was also very eager to find not a -- eager for turkey to find a political, not a military, solution to this conflict. but then once isis came onto the scene and really captured everyone's attention, for the united states, the real focus became quite naturally combating isis in syria, and there was both frustration at the lack of turkey's enthusiasm to do thta, to really partner with the
united states and the conflict with isis, as well as the recognition that on the ground, one political actor and one military actor that seemed capable of doing it was the kurdish ypg. earlierblaise talked about what we're seeing now. these are continuations of long-running tensions. the united states and turkey arguably have managed the situation in syria better than expected. washington sees isis as the main threat. both groups are fighting against each other. and yet up until now, and most recently with the turkish operation across the border into -- you see an arrow here -- northern syria, the fact is that -- and we can talk in more specifics about what actually did happen -- the fact that
there has been any measure of th, the fact there has not been all-out forces between the turkish forces and the ypg represents what needs to be considered a success. mr. misztal: it is good that there is coordination, but we saw an article that the turks went into syria by themselves without the u.s. knowing they were going to do that -- they asked for u.s. support. what i found most interesting about that article is the fact was the white house reluctant -- the turks asked for support from u.s. special forces operators on the ground, and the white house did not want to act on the idea because they were worried among the turkish-supported rebels would be elements of al qaeda that might target u.s. commandos. so we have a turkey that is not really coordinating with us,
that is fighting alongside people that might want to do us harm, that is skirmishing with the forces we have been supporting for the last two years. that is openly flirting with russia for the sake of getting leverage for us. what does that say about the u.s.-turkish relations -- mr. makovsky: well, our ability to cooperate going forward. for some time, we have been able to say this is the lowest point in u.s.-turkish relations. before the july 15 coup attempt, the ypg, the dispute between turkey and the u.s. over the ypg was the biggest issue in our relationship. gülen was a close second. now maybe you could argue they flipped. -- we justify
from turkey's point of view that flip in priorities. in each category, the relationship has gotten -- the tension has grown greater, and the difficulty of resolving it has grown greater. if turkey basically -- let me back up a little -- if the ypg moves east of the euphrates, as they are supposed to, and if turkey basically stays in the area right across the border, or as nick showed, or just moves along this 98-kilometer area and no further along the syrian-turkish border up to this kurdish -- here, this light green -- i think the situation can work. obviously, the ypg has not
totally withdrawn yet. the great fear is that turkey is going to want to go further, that turkey might want to go there, or might want to go south west well below the border to block any possibility of the two parts of the kurdish-held area linking of. that is what the turkish move the area is about. it is about blocking the kurds from being able to link up the two salients, which they currently hold.
and if they do that by just staying along their border, it can work, and there is reason to be skeptical, and then the great danger of the arena of the turkish-kurdish battlefield has widened -- in syria, you just add another lay her of mayhem to of mayhem to it. mr. misztal: what are u.s. policy options here? we think of turkey as a country that we need, especially when we are dealing with area, but it is a country that is not lining up with our interest and objectives there. it is a country trying to show us that we need them more than they need us, and at the same time having this democratic crisis at home. what should u.s. priorities be in that long list of issues we have with turkey, and maybe, al, given your background, what should congress be thinking about? mr. makovsky: let me talk about policy options, because a lot of times, executive ideas do come from congress.
so regarding syria, i think we basically have to find some way to manage this relationship because turkey does remain very important. it is a member of nato. there is no provision for expelling anyone from nato, nor would we want to. turkey is strategically located, and it is in our interest to get along with them as much as possible. they have, however, become a problematic ally. i think we had no choice but to try to manage it. i think just as we have a rock-bottom need for turkey, they also have a rock-bottom need for nato. whatever the constellation of their military is going to be. , i think they are going to want to be associated with nato rather than with russia or some other kind of eurasian grouping. moreover, well over half of turkey's trade is with the west.
i think turkey will still be linked strongly to the west, but we will increasingly see a turkey that tries to express sovereignty within that western context. i do not think there is a magic formula except to try to make sure that the turks do not pick a fight with the kurds, and to urge turkey to withdraw as soon as possible. longer term, we have to reckon with the possibility. again, i am not betting on it. i certainly hope it is not the case. but we have to reckon with the possibility that perhaps an unpredictable turkey will ultimately move out of the western orbit, and we have to look carefully at alternatives . for many years -- i am
sorry, i am going on a bit here, but throughout the cold war, turkey's strategic value is that it had the longest border with the soviet union. since the cold war, its importance was summed up the by the late richard holbrook, when he was assistant secretary for european affairs in 1994. he said turkey is at the center of every issue of importance to the united states on the eurasian continent. that has really been the rationale with our relations with turkey since then. we have to prepare a plan b and kind of look for other areas that we can work on eurasian problems from. mr. misztal: any suggestion where that might be? mr. makovsky: eastern europe certainly has possibilities. i know there are issues about our 1997 treaty with russia. i am not a legal expert.
but it seems to me from the way i read it, there is the possibility for bases in bulgaria and romania, because the situation has changed since 1997. legal authorities and russian experts need to look at it carefully. in addition, we know the krg, the iraqi kurds, would love to have a u.s. presence. they would be delighted. i think it is a very tricky thing for us to arrange in the current circumstances, particularly with our baghdad focus. mr. misztal: nick, maybe you can talk about the value of democracy, and what we can do to try to staunch the losses there. mr. danforth: i would begin by
saying -- picking up on what alan said -- is that there is the cruel irony of conspiracy theories about how the united states is behind this coup, that more than anything else in turkey, more than democratization, more than a partner that isis, what the united states has counted on is maintaining a semblance of stability in turkey. itself. and with the coup attempt, that was the first moment where it seems like there is the frightening possibility of disrupted, destabilizing violence, which has then been furthered by the resurgence of the war against the pkk. so that looking forward is something that will preoccupy policymakers more and more, is the real possibility of destabilization within turkey. with that said, there might be a tendency to look at that as separate from the question of democracy. we do not necessarily feel that way.
there are real reasons to think that the coup attempt in itself is going to be disruptive, it represented the biggest threat to turkey's stability, but inevitably, there is the possibility that turkey's response to the attempt will be in itself destabilizing, will be in itself a threat to democracy. and with the coup attempt now over, that is the threat that turkey is facing and the threat that the people in the united states have to help turkey face. unfortunately, i think so far the united states, the administration's messaging has been inconsistent. three days after the coup, the united states raised the issue of throwing turkey out of nato because of the democracy requirements. that was not an ideal time to bring this up. after raising these concerns, in an immediate point where they were not likely to be helpful, a month and a half later, biden went to turkey, this after showed support for turkey for
the past month, this might have been the opportunity to start raising some of these concerns, and the vice president said nothing about any of our concerns about the extent of the purges that were going on, about attempts to prosecute leading kurdish political figures. so this is going to be -- the question to support turkish democratization, at a strange and difficult time is an inevitably difficult one, but so far the approach has been muddled enough that i do not think it is necessarily helping. mr. misztal: thank you. let me turn it over to the audience questions. please be sure to state your name and affiliation and make it a question. yes, on the second row here. an interested citizen. would someone explain this map, please? mr. misztal: the yellow areas are areas that are currently
held by syrian kurds. mr. makovsky: by the way, i said light green. at one point, i was colorblind. mr. misztal: the areas in green are held by an assortment of syrian rebel groups, and the other areas are held by the syrian regime. the pink ones, yes. the syrian regime. yes. mr. makovsky: courageous quickly add?uld i just quickly what i was trying to illustrate is the great turkish concern, is that these two kurdish salients will link up. either as turkey immediately feared through capture of jarabu lus and then spreading along this line or to the south. i think one thing we actually have to watch is whether the turkish military does in fact move southwest to try to block
more clearly any path. mr. misztal: and so far -- i think an important thing to note is one of the reasons that i believe the turkish military decided to move is that kurdish forces had moved into the euphrates river and captured a town, which -- mr. makovsky: with our support. mr. misztal: with the u.s. asking them to do this, which is a move of the two yellow areas moving closer together o. and what you have seen is that turkey has not just stopped lus, which is an isis-held town. they are moving south, and the fear is they will be fighting not isis, but the syrian kurds and we will have allies fighting each other rather than fighting our real enemies in syria. yes. >> i would like --
[indiscernible] honestly i do not agree with many of your comments. let me share some of my thoughts about syria. [indiscernible] it is mixed with the pkk, which is a terrorist organization. access tocontinuous terrorist organizations in turkey. [indiscernible] we believe we are in partnership with the u.s. in this fight terrorism, so cooperation is proof that we are resolved to continue our fight against terrorism in that sense. of course, we do not associate amongst the terrorist organizations. have any good or bad
terrorist organizations, we do not have any partner terrorist organizations, so the fight against the terrorist becausetions in syria, they are a main threat against our national security. and the coup attempt -- another terrorist organization. , which we are fighting against. let me also mention -- it is perfectly natural to have -- i would like to assure you that it would be within the rule of law, and all the legal remedies that are available for the action are taken. [indiscernible]
turkey will continue to be an ally of the u.s. we expect the u.s. to act like that. thank you. mr. misztal: thank you for your comments. over here. on my right. if we could wait for the microphone coming to you. lucy: my name is lucy. i hear there are so many terrorists in turkey, but i would like to highlight one subject. when liberation of -- happened, it took so many sacrifice. we also had u.s. volunteers who joined the ypg, and they are dead right now, and we are waiting for them to come back. we have lots of loss as kurds, as americans. and when turkey went to jarabu --, it seemed like magic everything disappeared, isis
went away, and right now is we see a humanitarian crisis. chemical weapons have been used by the turkish government against civilians. civilians have been killed. that is something that i want you to talk about that. mr. misztal: thank you. it is important to highlight a couple things. the pkk is a u.s.-designated terrorist organization. the ypg is not. although it is widely considered that there are links between the two organizations. mr. makovsky: maybe i will jump in quickly. the ypg is not on u.s. terrorist list. i could see why the turks would see that as a bit of a fiction. the pyd, with which the ypg is
associated, it is a syrian-kurdish political party that has its origins in the pkk. it venerates erdogan. it is understandable that turkey would see it as part of the pkk, however, it has not been attacking turkey, at least not skirmishs recent, this of a couple of days ago, and when turkey entered jarabulus. it has been a very effective fighting force against isis, and for the united states and therefore a very important partner in getting rid of isis. it is in turkey's interest to avoid conflict with the ypg. as for the jarabuus takeover, it f what it does help to create the circumstances for the expulsion of isis from syria, it
is a great thing. to this point, it would be -- there is every reason for turkey to feel it is largely a success. what is worrisome is seeing turkish forces go south. we do not know what happened. maybe that was because kurdish forces went north. at some point, we do expect the ypg will move to the east of the euphrates river. if they avoid conflict, as the turkish defenseman a minister intent, and if's turkey stays along its border, then i think it is a plus. if what happens, however, is the battlefield between turkey and the kurds simply spreads from turkey and iraq to syria, the n the turkish intervention is going to be seen as a very
serious negative for syria, for u.s. interests, for the fight against isis, and for ultimately for turkey itself. mr. misztal: it is important to point out that as far as current u.s. strategy is concerned, that strategy, which its goal is the raqqa, the isis capital in syria, the road to that capital is supposed to be open by the ypg, and the road goes to ypg-held territory. it is not role for syrian kurds to take raqqa. it is largely a sunni city. having occurred take that city would stoke sectarian tensions. our strategy is currently relying on taking that road, so any fallout between u.s. and the ypg between fighting between turkish and kurdish forces would seriously in danger what is the ultimate goal of u.s. mission.
mr. makovsky: the turkish government and the turkish president has said -- and this syncs with what -- i am sorry, i did not catch your name -- >> [indiscernible] mr. makovsky: i do not say i got it right. i'm an old guy, bad hearing. i think it syncs with what you said, turkey's goal is not only to go after isis but also after the pyd. if turkey pursues that goal aggressively, there are going to be problems on many levels, including in the fight against isis. mr. misztal: let's see if we have other questions in the audience. yes, on the second row. brooke thank you. :my name is brooke. pulling from the last two
comments, i'm wondering what are turkey's objectives in syria going to achieve yucc? is that when the ypg is back across the euphrates? at what point are there known project is going to be achieved? give that it requires they being in syria longer than assad is fighting rebels in other locations, when it has hypothetically consolidated its power and established itself as an enduring force, would assad be willing to entertain any idea of continuing some sort of conflict in the north -- just curious, throwing those questions out. mr. makovsky: very briefly, your first question answers itself. initial goal -- the u.s. support was for the purpose of expelling isis, which has been accomplished.
what would be i think ideal for rom everyone's point of view is that turkish free syrian army allies -- if they are capable of it -- should be the one holding jarabulus, and the turkish military, if possible, should withdraw. i think that would remove a real friction point, the potential friction point between turkey and the kurds. and other turkish town is right across the border from jarabulus. turkey could run things from there if the free syrian army is capable of holding things. regarding a potential cooperation or collaboration between -- set in syria, i do not really see it per se, but as you probably know, there was some fighting between syrian government troops and the ypg in
-- a little bit off the map, further out in the yellow salient. and i would not rule out tactical cooperation against the kurds if at some point -- if he sees that in his interest. he has had an undulating relationship with the kurds, at times working more closely with them, and at times facing off with them. but i think that would be the only area of potential collaboration. mr. misztal: sure, in the back there. >> hi. [indiscernible] there were many allegations against turkey, that they were daish. isis,
the issue was traveling from turkey to syria. and now after this -- do you think -- because we have some news and they are saying that isis,rs of the issue, of are getting into the rebel groups that turkey is -- is this eventually going to disappear, or do you think they are going to europe and affect europe as well? bill: bill jones, i am with amnesty international. this is not an amnesty question, but there is much -- it seems that when we talk about the turkish army, we're talking about them as if they were this unified, together force. and what is the state of the
turkish army? does anybody know at this point? mr. misztal: excellent question. do you guys wanted to take those two questions, and then we have to wrap up, unfortunately. chief verderosa: why don't -- mr. makovsky: why don't i do it and then you. i will take your question, bill, because it is easy to answer. i do not know. but i would say this -- you know, what informs your question is the fact that in the aftermath of the coup attempt, well over 40% of the flag officers, the generals and admirals of the turkish military, have either been arrested or removed. that is a shocking amount of turnover for a military. i do think one key objective of
the incursion into jarabulus was to send the message, whether it is accurate or not, perhaps time will tell, to send a message that the turkish military is still a major power in the region. i would say one other thing about it. for a long time -- and this we know only from press reports and the kind of gossip we all hear from our friends and sources -- for a long time, erdogan had been interested in the military moving into syria, and the military itself apparently had resisted. it seems possible that a lot of the resistance came from military leaders who are no longer part of the military -- mr. misztal: which would include , i would point out, the commander of the second army, the pkk, the commander of the special forces, so all important positions that would have had an important role to play in any operations. nick, final thoughts?
mr. danforth: to answer your question and this bigger issue, the rhetoric has been ratcheted up to an absurd level where you have one side saying that turkey is supporting isis and the other side saying that the pkk and the ypg are the moral equivalent of isis. neither of these statements helps preserving a rational policy that can bring the united states and turkey together to preserve what everyone realizes is the ultimate goal, which is a sustainable political solution to do turkish kurdish question. we have said a number of things and written about this, it is but upon the united states make sure that its policy in syria does not empower the ypg, the ypd in a way that makes a fair political settlement in turkey possible, but it has made it more difficult when it seems like that turkish side is no longer interested in the political settlement either.
mr. misztal: thank you, everybody, for coming today. as i am sure this will not be the last major development. in turkey, i encourage you to follow our writing, analysis at bipartisan policycenter.org. you can follow alan at the center for american progress. we hope to see you all soon. thank you. mr. makovsky: thank you very much. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] former florida senator, bob graham, who chaired the committee on the investigation of the 9/11 attacks, will talk about terrorism and national security today. live coverage from the national press club at 10:00 a.m.
coming up, free speech on college campuses at 4:00 p.m. eastern. this weekend, c-span's cities tour along with our comcast cable partners will explore the literary life and history of denver, colorado it on book tv, we visit the tattered cover bookstore, founded in 1971. it is considered the cornerstone of literary culture in denver. >> you will see in the store a green carpet and dark wood. the original barnes & noble superstores were modeled on this. thompsonuthor juan talks about living with his father, hunter s thompson, in his book "stories i tell myself." juan: he was born in 1936, so when he was growing up, he did not grow up in an era when fathers were typically heavily involved with raising their kids, so that was part of it.
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>> folks, we are going to go ahead and get started. we want to thank all of you for being here, and to those watching this press conference on facebook, welcome as well. my name is bob goodlatte and i and the chairman of the house judiciary committee, and it has been a privilege to come to detroit with members of the bipartisan policing strategies working group and meet with local law enforcement, trinity community leaders, and youth to discuss what is a nationwide problem that needs to be addressed community by community, but also needs to be addressed by our federal government as well. and i want to thank my colleague and friend john conyers, the ranking member of the judiciary committee and the cochairman of this working group for inviting the group to detroit and i want to thank the people of detroit for making us all feel very
welcome. over the last two days, we have discussed how we could best strengthen our relationship between law enforcement and the communities that they serve and protect. our nation's conscience has been rocked by a series of violent attacks on police officers and instances of apparent excessive force by police officers that raise serious questions. as a nation, it is imperative that we come together and address this issue. we all want to see an end to the senseless violence that all too often fills our tv screens and newsfeeds. this issue primarily needs to be addressed at the local level. it has been encouraging to hear from leaders here in detroit on
how they are addressing them. i want to thank our roundtable participants, kenneth grabowski, kary moss of the american civil liberties union of michigan, kym worthy, the wayne county prosecutor, sheriff benny napoleon, chandra mcmillion, lindsay mason, and chief craig of the detroit police department for speaking very candidly with us about how they are meeting the challenges that are driving a wedge between law enforcement and the communities they serve and what challenges remain. it has been beneficial to hear their ideas for meeting these remaining challenges. the issues fueling mistrust between law enforcement and the communities they serve will not be solved overnight. however, this should not deter us from devoting urgent attention to this matter of national importance. as members of the bipartisan policing strategies working group, we are in the process of holding a series of private roundtables to determine what can be done at the federal level. we still have much work to do, but all of us are committed to
finding solutions, and with that i want to yield to john conyers, the ranking member and congressmen for michigan's 13th congressional district. thank you for having us to your home. mr. conyers: thank you so much, bob goodlatte, chair of the house judiciary committee. it is an honor for you to come to detroit. i am -- i cannot claim that i have persuaded you to do this, but you understood the innate unique challenges of detroit, pulled together many issues that we are already examining on the house judiciary committee. and so this bipartisan policing strategies working group does not only our committee, the
house judiciary committee, but also the city of detroit and its leadership that was here for these two days to examine the relationship and how we improve law enforcement and community leaders joining together for this very critical discussion that has been held. during the august district work period, i spent my time meeting with a half-dozen mayors and police chiefs of the cities in and around detroit, starting of course with the largest city in michigan, detroit. and i am happy to bring all of these well-intentioned members
of congress who are here now, dedicated to uttering the bettering the relationships between the police and community. now, over the last few years, we witnessed senseless acts of violence that has taken the lives of civilians and law enforcement, seemingly deepening the divide between the two. as members of congress, we strongly denounce this divisive notion. following reports of excessive force and the subsequent rioting and devastation that goes back to the detroit riots of 1967, which made a profound impact upon me.
as a former chairman of the house judiciary committee, i have chaired hearings on police issues in los angeles, miami, new york city, dallas, and even other countries, and set the stage for the passage of the landmark legislation of the pattern and practice enforcement law that i introduced the past judiciary committee and was signed into law that allows the department of justice to investigate state and local departments for unconstitutional and discriminatory conduct. this conference here was incredibly inspiring, and i am sure that we will be continuing this excellent work when we return to the congress. i thank all of you for coming and for participating in it.
we havelatte: congressman doug collins from georgia. mr. collins: one of the things that has been brought forward, and i am so proud the chairman and the ranking member is here -- it is not a big city issue or small city issue, it is a community issue from the north to the south, and the west and the east. what this has to do to do and from our backgrounds, which are so different, mine being a pastor and a chaplain in the air force and a lawyer but also the son of a state trooper. the members bring this together to say -- what can we do? and one of the things that is ok and is our trust in our country. we have the ability to step up as members of congress, as
members of law enforcement to say i will take a step toward you and you will take a step toward me. if we get nothing even more, we are starting a grand vision of saying how to begin this conversation, a national conversation on the realities that we have seen in the streets on both and we honestly face that, there is nothing we cannot move forward on an begin to solve. mr. goodlatte: congresswoman sheila jackson lee. ms. lee: thanks to the chair and to the very important working committee meeting that we have had. and as well, let me think ranking member conyers whose hospitality and again our chairman, and let me acknowledge congressman collins, my colleague, brenda lawrence, the former mayor, thank you for having us in your district. congresswoman robin kelly and sheriff -- congressman reichert
and keith ellison, who is here, and other members who were not able to be here. i always think that you want solutions, so let me quit the quickly say to you that this was one of the most powerful discussions on police-community relations that i have had the privilege of being in and would hope that without our police working group being every city and hamlet in america that we would engage in these kinds of discussions. in time of tragedy, in times of danger, when you dial that 911, you are looking for law enforcement to come. you are looking for them, holding up your hand to be rescued. and so it is important to note that we need law enforcement, and it is important to note to law enforcement members out there, to the families out there, the community wants policing, and they want a safe and secure neighborhood. we need to get away from this general statement that law enforcement is disliked in our communities. that is not true.
but i think what is important is to note the fact that police -community relations are important and significant, and i joined the voices that say that it is probably the most significant civil rights issue of of our time. it is most significant civil rights issue of our time. one of the things that we base trust on -- as i indicated, i am a former judge -- i used to have to issue probable cause warrants to police officers. i used to have to listen to them that this address in this neighborhood needed to be, if you will, entered at 2:00 or 3:00 a.m., had to trust them, they had to trust my judgment in the way you do that is with information. what we have determined is that of the 18,000 police departments through data from the marshall
project, only 53 have committed to the white house when the white house asked that they submit voluntary statistics on what happens in their police work, the arrests, shootings, incidences that deal with aggression or police action where police have aggression -- aggressive actions against them. it is the basis of the law enforcement trust and integrity act, but it is also one of the comments that we heard of how important it is to have statistics because statistics are very much a part of the science of policing. so americans really want to have a secure and strong police department. so what are we doing? what i would like to suggest is that we need to open our hearts and minds to accept police officers who are diverse, but also to accept this underlying
implicit racism that cast african-american young males in a certain light. for those of us who are mothers, we understand it. we need to dialogue about it. so that we understand the many cases that include tamir rice and michael brown and certainly walter scott. so how do we help? i hope as we conclude these working groups, we will think about a social worker in police departments. we will think about cleaning up neighborhoods and making neighborhoods a place where police do not have to come in to an impoverished neighborhood with no resources so the neighborhoods themselves are mad. we need to pay our police officers, train our police officers, and finally, we need to be able to have the element of de-escalation, something i have learned from police officers, to give them the tools that they need to address the crises so they can go home with
their families. i want to give a challenge to our friends around this great city, and i can just tell you you can be proud of your law enforcement and your share, your police chief, your leadership of social service agencies, and civil rights agencies. we learned a lot from them today. but we do have a legislative initiative, the law enforcement trust and integrity act and right now we can claim it to be a bipartisan bill, the hard work of our chairman and ranking member and many of us working with them. let me tell you what my dream is. my dream is to have a big press conference in washington on the way to the floor of the house with all of the law enforcement officers across america coming and supporting this initiative. that is a tool of help but also a demand for transparency and providing the data of what you do every day. and as we have this statement to america, truth and transparency,
we march to the floor of the house and pass this legislation to be signed by the president and turn the corner on police -community relations in this nation. mr. goodlatte: thank you, sheila. next we have congressman dave reichert from washington state. mr. reichert: good afternoon, everyone, and i want to go the comments made by the previous speakers. this has been a very interesting and i think a healthy, open discussion that i hope we can continue across the country and in other cities. and other counties. i agree with sheila jackson lee. you have much to be proud of here in detroit. over the past few days, we have met with community leaders who are engaged, who are energetic , who are passionate about solving problems within your
city, about bringing the community together. they have great ideas and programs already in place. i talk a lot about hope and there is -- hope is alive in detroit. that is what i have learned in the past two days. there is a lot of great things happening here to bring the police and community together. and your faith-based leaders are a big part of that effort. so i appreciate the opportunity to be here and meet the folks of detroit. i have only been here one other time before, and that was back in the mid-1980's. i am an old -- i turned 66 yesterday. lee: a youngster. mr. reichert: a youngster, sheila says. i was -- 33 years as a police officer in the king county
sheriff's office in seattle, and i have seen a lot of tragic events. lost a partner, investigated the serial murder case where over 50 people were killed over 19 years. collected nearly over 100 dead young girls' bodies. these are memories that you do not forget. they stay with you. and so, my message is today, i am very proud to be part of this congressional delegation that has focused on not just bringing police and community together, this is about our kids. this is about our children, the future of our country and the kids in our communities. and what creates success and what brings people together ? it is our children because we all want the same for our children. peace, we want hope, one we want opportunity, and those are the things i think our money would be much it are spent than
-- much better spent than on drug rehab, alcohol rehab, mental illness, yes we need to have that money at the back end , but if we prevent those things from happening in the beginning, if we create loving, caring communities and families and we give those children opportunities for education and hope for the future for them and their families, i think we solve a lot of the problems that we place on the police department. we have said basically to the cops, our communities, our social structure is falling apart, and guess what? you are the ones dealing with it every day face-to-face. i had my throat cut in the early 1970's, 45 stitches, a guy jumped me with a butcher knife, he was mentally ill. as a one and a half year veteran of the sheriff's office, he went to the mental institution for year and came back and tried to kill his wife again. this is not a new problem.
we have got to as america address the mental illness issue, our drug issue, alcohol issues, and opportunities that we afford our kids. and i just appreciate the comments from your community leaders today and moving in that direction and creating hope here in detroit. thank you. mr. goodlatte: thank you, dave , and happy birthday a day late. we now have congresswoman robin kelly from illinois. i am robin kelly. i am from the second congressional district in illinois. part of that is chicago area, so if you read the paper, you know what i have been dealing with everyday. i firmly believe that if we can improve police-committee relations, we can improve what is going on with people to people as i say. i just came from the prayer vigil, dwayne wade's cousin, a mother of four.
once we listen to everybody, and it has been an honor to be here, we have to put our money where our mouth is. congressman brenda lawrence and i are working on a bill, part of it is called urban progress, and part of that bill is police-committee relations because it is important that we diversify the criminal justice system, not only the police but the prosecutors and on and on because we need a diverse group of people working in these arenas. also, as my colleague talked about, hope. we have to make sure that people have jobs and job skills and all of that, and i think that once we arm our citizenry that will make it easier for police officers in the neighborhood. so thank you again. thank you, chairman, thank you to the dean of the house, appreciate your hospitality, and i look very forward to us coming to chicago, which is the epicenter of a lot of these ills. thank you.