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some thought to the whatever changes, that the next dni may to want make, which are inevitable. hopefully, he or she will build on the legacy of what we leave just as we built on the legasift first 3-d n. is. so, i would also of course, the dni will be governed by and guided by the, whatever direction he or she gets from the next president. so that will clearly determine change. also have to remember that the congress gets a vote in any change. no matter how inconsequence sham that one macon template. >> so, speaking about the next president, let's assume you have
the opportunity to meet with the incoming president, not farfetched i would hope that would happen. what will you fell the next president on the qualities that she or he should look for in the next dni? >> well, i hope above all, it is somebody who is willing to tell truth, to be objective and to tell straight. i think that's a rock bed principal. many that's what the intelligence community is all about. >> let's shift gears. you talked about technology, and it has mushroomed. from a technology standpoint, and integration standpoint,
across the intelligence community, what's your 62nd elevator speech on eyesight. >> it's designed to take us to the next level of both integration, sharing and security. >> are we past the tipping-point? >> is it enduring, into the next administration. >> i think so. and the reason i say that is because, we have that, from the leadership, they always get the -- >> any change is human nature. but, i believe it's one of the reasons, we stuck around as long as we have, so it will be too difficult to turn off.
the major reason, though is, not because something we've been driving, as much as people are really starting to see the virtues of what is entailed with eyesight. it's not about an i.t. upgrade but changing the way we conduct our business. people are seeing the virtue of that. and that's people voting with their feet is what is really going to do it for the future. >> so, recognizing this as an unclassified forum, is there anything that you can share, where eyesight as has had an impact on the out come. >> i'll say, what we're seeing, one of the benefits of it, is, discovery. by an analyst who even, if he or she didn't have access to
particular data, the design of eyesight it will facilitate discovery that other data is available. we've seen examples of that, and highlight, of business. that is one of the great virtues of eyesight. >> continuing with technology, we are very dependent upon technology for our trade craft to do our business. do you see, as more and more technology comes in, you mentioned, arfirm intelligence. do you see a point where there will be a decrease in human intelligence collection? >> i don't think we'll ever see
a lessening of the need for human intelligence. at least not, the foreseeable future. we're always going to need that. and of course, artificial intelligence, is controversial. there are big thinkers who are very concerned about its govern nantz. and it's regulation. it is another tool for us and we'll have to adjust both in terms of others who employ artificial intelligence as well, as our using it ourselves in our work. >> we're getting a lot of good questions from the audience. thank you.
another question. you talked about the uncertainty of the world, and diversity of threats. a lot has been said over the last 3, 4, 5 years, that terrorism really dominates the resources and the efforts of the intelligence community. do we have the balance right? are we covering down on everything that we should be? the current and the more strategic. >> well that's a very good question. it's one that i have, we -- leadership is agonized over t.
we do spend a great deal of resources, both money and manpower, for the program on ct. and, that concerns me. in fact we expeu a lot of our resource on it. both money and manpower. you always worry about is the balance right? have we continued to sustain what is expected of us, which is global coverage? i do worry about the proportion, and the skewing towards the top targets. it's the non top targets that
have a habit of biting you. that is topic that we will discuss for the transition team for the next administration. >> there was a related question, let me give you the kudos, good job on the global trends, and i know that there are a lot of folks who are looking forward to the 2030 which will be released in the next couple of months. >> yeah. one of the great merits was global, it's unclass guyed and the written product is the process, that we use, to comfive. it's a lot of dialogue. a lot of outreach with not the usual suspects. we reach out to the academics,
and, foreign countries anding in a lot of people that we wouldn't normally do. so that's one of the great strentsds of this publication. impacts of -- how are we positioned to deal with impacts of such changes as climate and technology. >> i do think climate change is going to be an under pinning for a lot of national security issues. the effect on climate which drives so many things. basics like water and food.
they are going to become matters of conflict between them. so this is going to give rise to the national security insight that we'll need, to understand this, and hopefully, help anticipate t. so i think climate change is going to have a well that of an effect. i think many would agree. let's shift gears. you spoke about a revolution favor space architecture that included, fast processing, and persistence. that was something i talked about when i was director. how important is autonomy to developing this approach?
the automated tipping and cueing. >> yeah. untouched by human hands. >> we're getting there. there's some great work going on, on tipping and cueing. when we reach the point where we have persistence, in both domains, i think the, to me it's almost a no-brainer to do as much of this on an auat that time automatic and get humans out of it. the classic pattern, is, i want my picture tomorrow, and file don't get it, because, try it again. >> the real, here's my problem.
now, the view in the intelligence community, with an arc ka tech sure, will be a lot more responsesive, and agile, and it's bringing the customers along. so, this administration has been focused on space resilient, and have overhead capabilities. do you think that will transition into the next administration? well, i hope so, it would be, in the face of the evidence, what the russians and the chinese have embarked on. a very aggressive space
capabilityies that, if we're going to continue to operate in that domain, which i think we must, the investments that we have gun, and laid out or -- over the future will need to be sustained. it's hard to mj that any administration wouldn't seat merit of sustaining t. >> i think many would agree. particularly with our need. one of our tracks is about acquisition management, and, reform. how do you think we're doing in the intelligence community, if you had to give us a score? are there rules and regulations and policy that's hamper our
ablefy to procure the services and things that we need? >> well, i think we're doing pretty well, we have something on the order of 27 major systems, and programs, across the i.c. 17 in a row. and, for the most part, they're in the green. they're meeting cost performance and goals. there are certain exceptions to that. but that's been my experience in the six years that i have had this job. the congress requires very rigorous oversight by both o. difficult, and, d od. so, they get a lot of governnance.
and i think we do pretty well. unless the laws that govern this activity, it's hard to sea how we could streamline it much more than we already are. i think we do pretty well. i think, one of the things that i'm proud of, is the fact that we have sustained our percentage of about 5% in the national intelligence program for research and technology, even with the pressure of, what you always have on the now and urgent as opposed to investing in the important. i think we've, we have done a good job of that, given all the pressures of program management these days.
>> we want to be more france parent. and there's proposals going around, why don't we just not bother with of the exal, for simplify the system. we have embark owed a extensive de classification of historical documents. i participated, with john brennan, and again last month, for the johnson library, and nixon library, on the roll out of the de classified daily briefs. we're doing a lot more of this than we ever have in the past, in terms of de classifying as much as we k. but there's more work to be done here. another point, there will need to be, i believe, a fairly
fundamental change in the system, not just in the i.c. but across the government. basic structure is born out of hard copy paper era and the rules aren't -- are not compatible with the technology and the way we conduct our business. at some point, i think there will have to be a change, working, what i can, within the confines the surrent system. >> so that will be one of the things on your list of items. recognizing we have a cyber track, in our breakout sessions, and, yes, we'll have admiral
rogers here tomorrow, can you talk a little bit about what the community is doing, in the cyber arena? do we have enough in place to know and track cyber threat, the actors intenses, and always a hard thing to do? >> it is. do we have enough? well, the stock answer is always no. never met a collection cape bimentdty, didn't like. so yes, we can use more. intelligence support to cyber which cuts across all the i.c. components. i think our, we do well, in assessing the threat. i think we're, more work needs
to be done is in sharing with the private sector, and in more per vaisive sharing of threat data, with private sector companies, and private individuals. that's a work-in-progress. speaking of threats do you see isis as a enduring threat? >> well, isis, will be suppressed. but i think, for sometime to come it will have more extremists, organizations, which will be spawned and which we'll have to contend with. we're going to be in a state of is suppression for time to come. >> let's shift gears as we are closing here.
war three things you will tell your successor as far as priorities for the intelligence community? >> i think the -- i think frame it around the what is outlined, in the prevention act which lay us out, what the dni is supposed to do. will primary and not the excompleusive. but the primary advis soar to intelligence and security matters. manage the national intelligence program. and there's a whole set of props i will share with the next dni on that, on its management.
and, of course, try to lead the enterprise. so i would probably have, is how i'll frame the discussion. >> so 54 years, anything that still surprises you? >> not really. [laughter] >> i mean, there's -- sometimes people surprise me. that's, makes it interesting. i really can't think of things that surprise me necessarily. disstress me, concern me. but, no. >> okay.
what are you going to finish that you really wanted to as you came into the job six years ago? >> what was the question again? >> what's being left undone? >> lots of things are undone because, these jobs are, you know, you're a temporary steward of the public trust. you build on the legacy of what you inherited. and, you will pass on things to the next whoever takes over for me. all these things are journeys, it's not like, gee i'm all done with that, close the business friday. so there are any number of things that will continue to draw the attention of the dni that will need to be worked.
you know, the mantra has been which i think was the original intent of the 9/11 commission, was integration. hopefully get to the point where maybe we won't have to talk about it, it will be the default for the community. but these things are always you know, are perpetual. and, you gauge i think most people, i will, is it a little better when i started? i would like to think it is and hopefully, my successor will build on that. >> so you just said the integration word again. one of the questions here, is the structure of the intelligence community open toe mulch? >> well that's a hard thing. we, americans are great, if we
have some ill, some problem, let's reorganize. that will make it better. well, the older i have gotten, the lessen amorred i am of reorganize na sayingses. we have noticed. >> i think you better serve to make whatever organizational structure you have which is always going to be imperfect. new wiring diagrams make people on the top gloofer happy but too often, i have seen that people fail to recognize the second and third order effects. that you always have to adjust to. two of our agencies, are going
truth throws of some substantial reorganize na sayingses. and my advice to the groups that were studying them was that i just recountedded my experience, and i had down three agency level reorganizations. one at gn a, and worked pretty well. and, and then i two in the early 90s, and the second one was intended to undo the bad effects of the first one.
-- what about information sharing? how are we doing? what is the impact of the information sharing environment and how are we doing with this? can you talk about information sharing? >> that has many dimensions. we start with the one which you did not mention, which is the foreign partners. i think today, it is unprecedented, the degree to which we are sharing with foreign partners. reason is it has a way -- the perception of the threat, particularly the terrorist threat has a galvanizing impact on countries and it does promote more sharing.
point,id before at some i will probably have both feet in assisted living when it --pens, we will do away with with commonwealth countries and perhaps extend dual citizenship obligations when it leaves an intelligence footprint. my experience has been that we have gradually chipped away at that and we are doing more and more integrated operations with the commonwealth, which is a good thing. your question is more specific to domestic. today, i am meeting with so-called nontitle 50 organizations, in the government , agencies and departments that are not formally part of dic,
but do have counterintelligence and security equities. we meet regularly with them and we try to be as inclusive as we possibly can. this is where it comes in to play, in fostering greater state, local, tribal and private sector levels. use totrumentalities i promote that nationally, the the fbiof -- 12 of special agents in charge or assistant director in charge because of the size. we have done a lot. better than it was, 15 years ago. there is clearly more to do in that realm. do on the first
day after you leave this position? >> sleep. [laughter] >> i think mrs. clapper may have some ideas. >> i will start going to the gym. i plan to lose about 15 pounds and sleep. that's all i have in mind right now. >> thank you very much for your service. i will tell you almost every question in here actually has that at the bottom after the question, it was, thank you for your service. to have younate leaving our community, for you to have agreed to stay on through on -- through this entire administration. we look forward to your advice to your successor, and we look forward to inviting you back in any capacity, so thank you very
much. [applause] >> thank you very much. >> we will have more from the intelligence and national security summit later, today, with a panel that includes the cia director, nsa director and fbi director. that is live at 1:00 eastern on c-span three. on c-span, washington journal is up next and we will be taking your phone calls followed by today's house session. today, they are working on a bill dealing with sec reporting
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