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we know start yupt where -- startups fuel innovation. it's the entrepreneurial spirit and the american ingenuity and know-how that's produced new technologies, new breakthroughs, new inventions to improve health care, improve society and create more jobs and economic growth. it's part of our d.n.a. startups don't have the ability to offer potential employees and new talent the same benefits or the same salaries that more -- that can be more valuable in the long run than larger institutions can offer to certain employees. so instead t startups will go forward and offer their employees something that can be more valuable, a chance to be a part of the company, a chance to own a piece of the rock. a lot of startups offer stock options to recruit top talent. it's an incentive for an employee to work hard for the company they believe in, or in the idea that they believe in. more and more often, employees at these startups, they're missing out, they're missing out on the opportunity, because
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they aren't exercising their stock options to have the equity in the company that they believe in. and they're not exercising them because if they do, they have to immediately pay the taxes on the income associated with the stock, even though they may not be able to afford the cash payment to do so. a big number of these startups, mr. speaker, are privately held with no market for the employees to sell a portion of their stock to pay their tacks. the i.r.s. demands the tax payment immediately and so those employees, they let their options expire, they never have the chance to get the investment at a job they believe in and a job they enjoyed. but today, mr. speaker, we are figuring that. we have a solution. we're giving these startup employees a reasonable time period to pay the tax, allowing them to wait until their stock becomes tradable on a public market, so they can sell it to pay the bill. helping the innovation economy is a key way, an important way to promote new products, to
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promote new services, to promote new ideas from the dreamers and the inventors and entrepreneurs that we have in america. and letting those innovators attract the brightest and the best talent is going to keep america out front, always innovating, always creating, and always inspiring american leadership. with that, mr. speaker, i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: all time for debate has expired. pursuant to house resolution 875, the previous question is ordered on the bill as amended. question is on engrossment and third reading of the bill. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. third reading. the clerk: a bill to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to modify the tax treatment of certain equity grants. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on passage of the bill. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. the bill is passed. mr. crowley: i request the yeas and nays. the speaker pro tempore: the yeas and nays are requested.
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all those in favor of taking this vote by the yeas and nays will rise and remain standing until counted. a sufficient number having arisen, the yeas and nays are ordered. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, further proceedings on this uestion will be postponed.
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pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, the chair will postpone further proceedings today on motions to suspend the rules on which a vorded vote or the yeas and nays are ordered -- a recorded vote or the yeas and nays are ordered or on which the vote incurs objection under clause 6 of rule 20. recorded votes on postpone -- record votes on postponed questions will be taken later. for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> mr. speaker, i move that the house suspend the rules and pass h.r. 6004, the modernizing government and technology act of 2016 as amended. the clerk: h.r. 6004, a bill to modernize government information technology and for
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other purposes -- and for other purposes. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from texas, mr. hurd, and the gentleman from virginia, mr. connolly, will each control 20 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from texas. mr. hurd: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on the bill unconsideration. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. hurd: mr. speaker, i rise today in support of my bill, h.r. 6004, the modernizing government technology act of 2016. at the beginning of this month, we released an extensive report detailing how the office of personnel management allowed the sensitive and personal information of over 22 million americans to be stolen, thereby jeopardizing our national security for more than a generation of people. the year-long investigation produced many findings, including the identification of a pressing need for federal agencies to modernize legacy
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i.t. in order to mitigate the cybersecurity threat inherent in unsupported in the application. we had too many old things on our network. in other words, a reliance on legacy i.t. can result in security vulnerabilities where old software or operating systems are no longer supported by vendors and aging i.t. infrastructure becomes difficult and expensive to secure. we saw this firsthand with the o.p.m. data breach, where sensitive information was stored on technology so old it was difficult and in some cases impossible to implement security best practices like data encryption. o.p.m. is not alone. it is common throughout the federal government for agencies to struggle with legacy i.t. for example, the department of labor had to buy spare parts on ebay because they were no longer available from the original vendor. consider another example, that our committee learned about during a hearing that highlighted a g.a.o. report on
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legacy i.t. we learned d.o.d.'s strategic automated command and control system is 50 years old and runs on a 1970's i.b.m. series one compute that are uses an eight-inch floppy disk. by comparison, it would take 3.2 million floppy disks to equal the memory of one flash drive. numerous other agencies still use windows 3.0, which was last supported by the vendor in 2001, windows n.t., last supported in 2004, windows 1995, that was last supported by the vendor in 2001. the recently issued o.p.m. report demonstrates a security risk of such legacy i.t. and recommends congress consider new tools to incentivize the transition from legacy to modernized i.t. solutions across the federal government. i'm happy to say, this bipartisan bill follows up on that recommendation. the m.g.t. act, which builds on bills introduced by myself and minority whip steny hoyer, and
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ideas from federal c.i.o. tony scott based on his experience in the private sector. mr. speaker, the m.g.t. act is a key first step in beginning to modernize the federal government's outdated and insecure i.t. infrastructure. urge my colleagues to support h.r. 6004 and i would like to thank a number of folks that worked hard for the past few months to bring the best ideas forward in this one bill. i want to thank chairman chaffetz and ranking member cummings for their leadership on this issue. i want to thank my colleague, mr. connolly, who was the lead democratic co-sponsor. mr. hoyer, as i said before, key portions of his bill was included into the m.g.t. act. and of course i'd like to thank my dear friend and ranking member, my subcommittee -- of my subcommittee, ms. robin kelly from illinois. along with mr. lieu and especially the majority leader, kevin mccarthy, his innovation
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initiative is a key reason that we're able to talk about this significant piece of legislation today. again, i would like to urge my colleagues to support h.r. 6004 and i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from virginia. mr. connolly: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. connolly: mr. speaker, i rise in support of h.r. 6004, the modernizing government technology act of twick. let me also thank my -- 2016. let me also thank my good friend and co-author of this bill, mr. hurd, for his leadership in shepherding this bill through our committee and now onto the floor. sometimes deservedly congress gets ding-donged for not being able to get anything done. the fact of the matter is, kind of below the surface lots of things can and do get done with leadership in collaboration and partnership and mr. hurd epitomizes that and my hat's
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off to him for his contribution on this whole front of i.t. modernization and bringing the federal government, helping to bring the federal government into the 21st century, when it comes to the use of technology. every day federal agencies endure cyberattacks that have the potential to cause incalculable damage to national security and the privacy of all americans. while the federal government does its best to protect our critical computer networks, our efforts are often stymied by the outdated legacy information technologies in the federal government. agencies spend nearly 75% of their i.t. budgets simply trying to maintain these outdated systems. let me repeat that. for $82 billion program i.t. acquisition, procurement and management, 75% of that budget is not spent in updating
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the federal government, in cutting-edge technologies. it is spent maintaining what we got and in some cases those legacy systems go back 40 and 50 years. i'm proud to lead the modernizing quoff technology act of 2016 -- modernizing and technology act of 2016 to help us protect our digital resources. when you're dealing with outmoded technology, legacy systems, often they cannot be protected, they cannot be encrypted. and that makes them terribly vulnerable. low-hanging fruit to those who would do harm to our country and would compromise the data of millions of americans. this marries the i.t. modernization and the act by establishing a clear role for both of these pieces of legislation in this improvement process for federal i.t. systems. the m.g.t. act lays the foundation for the future of
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i.t. modernization funding in the federal government. this bipartisan legislation would provide a mechanism for agencies to get ahead of the curve and help reduce challenges facing every agency chief information officer or c.i.o. the m.g.t. act will authorize a significant investment to retire those vulnerable large scale legacy systems, affecting multiple agencies. under the guidance of an information technology modernization board, agencies will be able now to request loans to facilitate those modernization acts. something that would absolutely be the practice in the private sector. if aproved, those funds will be repaid through savings realized by the implementation of the more modern i.t. system. the bill playses -- places an manufacture sizz on following the practice of -- emphasis on following the practice of private industry and moving
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toward cloud computing systems. the m.g.t. act will allow agencies to invest savings generated through the federal information technology act, i ion act, fitaa was delighted to be a co-author of the act along with darrell issa of california. the m.g.t. act will establish working capital funds that will allow those agencies to use savings from new secure systems and reinvest in themselves, including in the movement toward the cloud. this creates an incentive for agencies to find those savings and reinvest internally in themselves, creating a virtuous cycle. the modernization government technology act is supported by industry experts and incorporates the same sort of mechanisms the private sector often uses to secure its networks. the important for agencies to know that congress not only expects agencies to implement
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robust modern cybersafeguards, but that it's here to help them confront those challenges. this reform has the potential to significantly speed up federal government's move to the 21st century technologies. mr. speaker, with that i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from texas. mr. hurd: mr. speaker, i'd like to make congressman connolly aware that i have no further speakers and i'm prepared to close. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia. mr. connolly: mr. speaker -- with your indulgence i would reserve the balance of our time for a minute. mr. hurd: mr. speaker, as my -- the distinguished gentleman from virginia and my friend, mr. connolly, pointed out, the g.a.o. has identified that millions of taxpayer dollars can be saved through consolidating data centers and
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modernizing i.t. systems. to date, agencies have closed over 3,000 data centers out of over 10,000, resulting in savings of $2. billion. this bill authorize -- $2.8 billion. this bill authorizes agency level capital fund, as well as centralized i.t. modernization fund within treasury and overseen by o.m.b. these funds will accelerate our transition to modernized i.t. systems and will save american taxpayers millions of dollars. in other words, welcome to the 21st century, federal government. about time you got here. . this act does not appropriate any new monny but builds on the successes of fatara which mr. connolly was instrumental in making happen and also invest savings in retiring these data systems and accelerating our transition to the cloud. folks recognize sometimes up
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here in washington, d.c., it can be a circus. but there's times when folks working together can actually solve major problems. this is one example of being in of our election cycle where people working together can solve a big problem and do it to make sure that we're using american taxpayer dollars wisely and eventually hopefully making sure they keep some of that at home. with that, i'd just like to make mr. connolly aware that i do have no further speakers. i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas reserves. the gentleman from virginia. mr. connolly: mr. speaker, i thank my good friend from texas. he is always gracious and been a wonderful partner this this -- in this enterprise. i do want to say in closing that the united states government must come into the 21st crentry. we owe it to the people we serve to protect the systems
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that operate within the 24 federal agencies we're particularly concerned about. we need to streamline management of i.t.'s. we need to make strategic and wise investments, and we need to have a schedule of replacement for most of those legacy systems, and we need to encrypt and protect. again cyberattacks -- against cyberattacks for the sake of the american people. mr. hurd and i share that as a critical mission not only for this congress but for the united states government as a whole. i'm proud again to be an original co-author and co-sponsor of this legislation working with mr. hurd. i know we have other initiatives we're going to be working on as well. with that, mr. speaker, i have no further speakers. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia yields back. the gentleman from texas. mr. hurd: mr. speaker, i urge adoption of this bill and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas yields back. all time has expired. the question is, will the house suspend the rules and pass h.r. 6004, as amended.
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so many as are in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, third thirds, the rules are suspended -- thirds, the rules are suspended, the bill is passed, and without objection the motion to reconsider is --
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the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? mr. hurd: mr. speaker, notwithstanding the order of the house of july 25, 2016, i ask unanimous consent that further consideration of the veto message and the bill h.r. 1777 be postponed until the legislative day of december 9, 2016. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. so ordered. pursuant to clause 12 - a of rule 1, the chair declares the
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>> over in the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell filed a short-term funding measure, a continuing resolution, to fund the government through december 9 and it includes zika virus funding, military construction, and flood relief. "politico" reported on lawmakers' march on the department of justice to hand deliver a letter to attorney general loretta lynch calling for more police accountability after the killings of keith scott in charlotte, north carolina, and terence crutcher in tulsa, oklahoma. here is their press conference.
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>> let me say good afternoon to all of you and thank you so
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very much for responding very quickly because this is an urgent matter that we want to discuss with the nation today. the congressional black caucus is outraged with the dozens of unlawful police shootings taking place all across america involving unarmed, innocent african-american citizens. if we were to identify each of these, it would consume this entire press conference. there are dozens of unlawful shootings of unarmed african-americans. enough is enough. one is too many. tensions are very high in communities of color. state and federal authorities must intervene to guarantee a solution. the federal government including the executive branch and the legislative branch must place the full weight of the federal government behind the elimination of unlawful police shootings. there must be a national standard regarding the use of lethal force, body cameras, and
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other technology must be required to depict the events surrounding a police encounter. we must have better training for police officers and identify and remove those officers with a propensity to overreact in situations. and the department of justice must aggressively pursue investigations, indictments, and, yes, prosecutions against any and all law enforcement officers who harm or kill innocent, unarmed african-american citizens. in a few moments, ms. waters and myself will deliver a letter from the congressional black caucus to attorney general loretta lynch demanding federal action now. thank you. at this time i will yield to congresswoman waters for her comments. ms. waters: thank you very much. members of the press, you may be wondering why the black caucus made the decision to
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come here today given that these killings and these shootings have been going on for so long. i want to give you a little bit of the background. of course today again our hearts are burdened as we mourn the loss of several unarmed black folks who have died at the hands of the police. the list ranges from in recent times michael brown, eric gardner, tameer rice. joe crawford. walter scott, freddie gray, sandra bland, la kwan mcdonald, alton sterling,er if lando castillo, and now to tyree king . 13-year-old boy shot dead last week in ohio for carrying a bb gun. terence crutcher who was killed in tulsa, oklahoma, with his arms raised standing outside of
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his vehicle. lastly, just the day before yesterday, kenneth scott, who was killed in charlotte, mecklenburg police killed a disabled man. and so mr. king is the third high profile shooting of a black man who was killed by having a weapon while residing in an open carry state. mr. crutcher's car had broken down on the side of the road. he should have been able to call police for assistance. instead a police officer took his life. lastly, the family of mr. scott has said that he was reading a book while waiting for his son when he was shot by the police. now, each of these names have been added to a long list that continues to grow while our policing remains the same. the killing of unarmed black men and women by police is a crisis. it is an emergency. and it is not just affecting those victims and families of
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those who were killed, it is affecting every black man and woman who wonders when they or someone they know will be killed next. it is affecting every resident of the city that erupts in protests after each killing. it is affecting the police officers who must continue to protect and serve without the trust of the community. it is affecting each of us who have born witness to these killings for years and fight against the feelings of despair and hopelessness as history continues to repeat itself. lastly, it is affecting our entire nation as the divide between the lines for people of color widens in this country. so we must do something to end this assault on our community, on black men and women and children, the conversations, the studies, and the investigations are now just not enough. so, black citizens must be in
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the leadership and must be afforded the right to equal protection by law enforcement. and we must commit as a nation once and for all to end these killings. so, yesterday at our regularly scheduled luncheon for the black caucus, as we sat there trying to do business, we decided we just couldn't keep going on business as usual. we couldn't just have our lunch and talk about an agenda that really does have to do with a lot of our work while our minds and our hearts are so heavy about the killings of all of these men, women, and children. so we decided at that moment that we were going to take an extraordinary step. leave the e going to house of representatives and we were going to come here to the department of justice and we're going to deliver a letter. we're delivering that letter to the attorney general.
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and basically that letter is one that asks her for something very specific. and i will share that with you. dear attorney general lynch, on behalf of the members of the congressional black caucus we come to you today to urge you to aggressively pursue investigations, indictments, and prosecutions through the office of civil rights against any and all law enforcement officers who harm or kill innocent unarmed black men, women, and children. in 2016 173 black people have died at the hands of the very law enforcement officers who have been sworn to protect and serve. our citizens have prayed, they have rallied, they have held press conferences, insisted on better training by police departments, and demanding the use of body cameras to record the actions of law enforcement officers. meanwhile, many of the victims
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and eld their hands high cooperated. yet law enforcement officers have not been deterred from targeting, profiling, and killing black people. even when body cameras are worn, the technology utility is thwarted when officers lose, drop, or fail to turn on their cameras and the incidents are still not recorded. without these video recordings, we hear the same excuses from police officers justifying the killing of black men and women such as he, and i quote, oh, he appeared to be reaching for a weapon. he appeared to fit the description of someone that just committed a crime in the area. oh, i feared for my life. law enforcement officers only seem to offer these excuses after killing black people. it is time for the department
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of justice to take aggressive action and put an end to what appears to be the targeting and profiling of black people that result in their deaths. offensers enjoy the presumption of credibility whereas victims endure the presumption of guilt. for too long this dynamic has helped to protect law enforcement officers from being brought to justice. we demand through investigation within a reasonable time that something is done. we will not continue to ask our constituents to be patient without any hope for change. madam attorney general, you have the unique opportunity and constitutional responsibility to change this narrative. we believe that every person whose civil rights may have been violated is entitled to a full and complete investigation by the department of justice. we demand an expansion of
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pattern and practice investigations into rogue police departments and greater transparency in the process by which the determinations on these investigations are made. we also demand that victims have the right to request independent investigations, autopsies, and frrgses. the recording of police confrontations and killings by citizens who document these incidents with their cameras and cell phones and share them through social media have provided you with more evidence than ever before to prosecute these cases and ensure these -- those who were responsible are brought to justice. the members of the congressal -- congressional black caucus will not rest until we have determined that you are using the full power of your office and performing the fullness of your duty to bring about
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fairness and justice to victims, families, and communities who have suffered for far too long at the hands of law enforcement. americans of all backgrounds have mobilized to express their outrage and fear that our country has lost its way. the world is watching. and these killings cannot continue to go unaddressed or ignored by our government. madam attorney general, you have the authority and the resources to address these matters. we urge you to aggressively utilize all that is available to you and your office to ensure these killings do not continue. this letter has been signed first by myself and g.k. butterfield, chairman of the caucus, but all members of the caucus are signing this letter that mr. butterfield and i will deliver to the attorney general as soon as this press conference is finished. we're serious about what we do.
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we will not be deterred from our actions, and we look forward to a good response from the attorney general. i will turn it back over to g.k. butterfield. mr. butterfield: recognize mr. meeks of new york. mr. meeks: thank you, mr. chairman. m actually both saddened and frustrated it that we have to stand out here today. we feel the frustration of all of the people in charlotte and in tulsa, oklahoma, and all over america. no american should have to fear the people who are sworn to protect them. anyone who has ever lived under hat fear understands, as i do, how deeply disruptive that is.
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and how truly frightening that is. and what it does to the soul of a community in the conscious of our nation. let me just say this, a couple times i have been talking to some reporters. and i have heard some of my colleagues who are not here, they have asked the question, where's dr. king? my response to them, dr. king's soul and essence is in every peaceful demonstrator that's on the streets. will be hat's the king demonstrating. today we see the kind of attack that apparently happens to unarmed black men and women with no transparency. dr. king marched on washington, d.c., to get those answers from -- to get the protection from the government. we're here today because when you look at the lack of
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transparency that is taking place in many cities in our nation, we believe the answer to end that is in the hands of the attorney general of the united states. d so we're here today to try and to tell the attorney eneral that within her power we can send a message to all of the municipalities and police departments where overwhelmingly we agree 98% of them are doing great jobs. but we want to make sure the transparency where someone has committed an act of violence against someone who had their hands up as we clearly saw in tulsa, because in this case everything that one teaches one to do, put their hands up. i tell everybody in my
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neighborhood, you stop, put your hands up so ebo and yet and still we have somebody that's dead. we need the attorney general to act. we need her to act now and the members of the congressional black caucus are not going to sit back and do nothing. we're going to make sure we push for legislation. we'll be calling on paul ryan to come up with legislation that we can work on and put forward to change this. in the meanwhile we want the attorney general to utilize her owers as the attorney general. mr. butterfield: the ranking member of the committee on judiciary in the house and the dean of the house of representatives, mr. conyers of ichigan. mr. conyers: thank you, mr. chairman. brothers and sisters, there have been so many incidents that the root causes that are
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tied together with social racism that brand too many black citizens as predators and police practices that treat them as potential perpetrators breeding disrupt between law they ment and community are bound to protect. so responding to this destructive cycle requires a broad approach. as we stand at the doors of the department of justice, i must commend attorney general loretta lynch and her team from the civil rights division for so far being on the job, but we need more action now. using the pattern and practice enforcement authority under the w, 42 united states code
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14141, the department has got to investigate and soon more departments to address the dangerous and discriminatory practices that result in excessive force or racial profiling. now, this statute has been used successfully across the nation. from ferguson in baltimore to reduce the number of police involved shootings in targeted cities. and it's illustrative of the positive effect of legislative reforms. last year in the midst of a record wave of officer-involved killings, the judiciary on ittee held a hearing 21st century policing strategies to begin addressing
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the issue of law enforcement accountability at the federal level. since that time, we have also formed a bipartisan working group with the chairman, republican chairman bob goodlatte of the judiciary committee, and we'll be meeting this afternoon to develop a plan to get police reform legislation through the congress. i commend all of my colleagues for being here. the struggle continues. i came to the judiciary a number of years ago because of the fact of police brutality and excessive use of force. so i'm pleased that we're standing so strongly together at this point. thank you. mr. butterfield: thank you, mr. conyers.
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congressman cedric richmond from the state of louisiana. r. richmond: it was just around three months when we all gathered to talk about the death of if i lando castillo and alton sterg in baton rouge, louisiana, and minnesota. and now we're gathered here the death lk about of two african-american males .hat people so easily dismiss from two football field in the air, a guy in a police helicopter so easy to describe a person as a bad dude. from two football fields in the air there is probably
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describing this black caucus as a group of bad people. t we stand here today sad, frustrated, and angry but we stand here today as a caucus of people who have the right to introduce legislation and the right to vote on the floor of the united states house of representatives. and we will use our resources to do everything we can. often we're called the conscious of the congress. today i wear that badge. this is wrong. and the nation needs to stand up. the nation needs to feel the anger of those young people on the streets. because when you truly believe you have nothing to lose, you are willing to lose it. so we're calling upon our attorney general to use the force of her office to make sure that we expand the use of pattern and practice
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investigations to make sure we look at the issue of police brutality everywhere. and i will close with a very simple phrase that everybody questions, do black lives matter. every, every black life matters. and we will do everything we can to make sure that justice is transparent and that justice is served. i want to thank our chairman, g.k. butterfield, our dean, john conyers, and maxine waters from california for putting us here on this corner at this time so that we can tell the country to wake up and join with us to stop this atrocity. thank you. mr. butterfield: thank you, mr. richmond. next is congressman hakim jefferies, state of new york, city of new york, the borrow -- borrough of brooklyn.
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mr. jefferies: let me thank congressman g.k. butterfield, and maxine waters for their tremendous leadership on this extremely important issue. we have come a long way in america, but we still have a long way to go. exhibit a is the police violence epidemic that continues to engulf the land. all throughout the united states of america, in the north, south, east, and the est innocent law-abiding african-american men continue to be killed by police officers using excessive force without justification. what more does america need to see to understand that we have a problem? this is not a black issue or white issue, a democratic issue or republican issue. a police issue or a civilian issue. it's an american issue. this country has promised
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liberty and justice for all. but far too many people in our community are left asking the question where is the liberty and where is the justice? because often police officers who take the lives of african-american men and others without justification escape accountability. far too often the police department closed ranks around these officers and protect them rather than expose the wrongdoing. that is why we're here today to ask the department of justice to step in as an independent arbiter to do its job in making sure that officers are held accountable whenever they take the life of someone without justification. local police departments are unable to do it. local prosecutors are unable to do it. the department of justice must
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step in and do its job so we can turn the situation around once and for all. mr. butterfield: thank you, mr. jefferies. our next speaker is congresswoman adams, alma adams, from charlotte, north carolina, whiches is wast the location -- which was the location of the most recent tragedy a few days ago. congresswoman alma adams. following that the last speaker will be congressman ellison, from the state of minnesota. ms. waters: g.k. butterfield and i are going to have to depart and go meet with the attorney general. she has a time problem here and we have to honor that.
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but g.k. is going to ask, i guess, mr. meeks, to come -- irst vice chair. to come and engage you in a question and answer period and maybe we'll be able to rejoin you. thank you. ms.adams: good afternoon. i heard it last night if there is no justice there is no peace. martin luther king said a long time ago there comes a time when silence is betrayal. i returned to my district in charlotte, north carolina, on yesterday afternoon and i met with local clergy there. and i also met with members of our city council and our mayor, and had some brief text conversations with our police chief. ask come today wanting to
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the attorney general along with my colleagues to step in. when i ask the citizens in charlotte last night what did they want me to take back to my colleagues here, they said to tell them that we need the attorney general to step in and to use her power to help make change that we need. we lost chief lamont scott on -- two days ago when he was shot and killed waiting to pick up a child, waiting in an apartment complex that was close to the university. and we have had a lot of violence in our community and i'm saddened about that. because people should have an opportunity to protest and to protest peacefully. that's what many of the residents were trying to do last night. there is a controversy about
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what's on the tape and whether or not that video is going to be released. i want to call on our chief and our -- all of our public officials in local government there to really make sure that we have a clear process, to make sure that we're transparent with the people. the national guard has been called in to charlotte and we regret that. we regret that. don't think it should have gotten this far, but i come today pleading for not overwhelm peace for my community but communities all across this country and to say that as a mother of a son, as the grandmother of two young men, i believe that we need to act and we need to act on this quickly. there's been too much, and now the black caucus has come and i'm just proud to stand here with my colleagues today after only three hours of sleep last
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night, but i'll be going back to my district on this evening. thank you very much for being here. i want to thank my colleagues and all -- the leadership here, those who have not only led this effort today, but enabled all of us to come together in a way we know we need to because clearly if there is no justice here won't be very much peace. mr. ellison: let me just point out that all of us here, each one of us have sat with families who have lost loved ones to violence, including police violence. in my own district. filando castillo killed. his mother's grieving. his girlfriend's grieving. this young man was a lunchroom supervisor and all the children at the school he worked at are still grieving. i'm sure terence crutcher's family and everybody who loved him is grieving and keith
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lamont, scott's family will be grieving as well. when we come to the community and we say, look, we're going to fight for a change in law, we're going to make sure the law is enforced, we're going to pass the law, we're here to put pressure on the attorney general to make sure that the law's enforced, you know what? the community says to us, what if the law is not obeying the law? that's what they tell us. they tell us at community meetings across this country why don't the believe have to respect us if you're demanding we respect them? we tell people, comply, obey the law, do what you're supposed to do, we'll fix this thing the right way. i want to know will the system, will the criminal justice system from top to bottom, will they help us make law enforcement obey the law? as you're asking us to restrain community at the end of the day no justice, no peace is not a threat, no justice, no peace is
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a simple forecast of what's going to happen if there is no justice. so communities erupt, everybody wants to judge and point a finger, but who is willing to do something now to protect the next person from police violence and protect the next community from when they just erupt they cannot take it any more? so it was the current commission of the 1960's that said every one of these riots are sparked by an ugly interaction between police and community. we're -- we have had it. we want community to know that we're responsive. we hear your voices. we're going to do everything we can do. thank you very much. ms. clarke: i'm congresswoman yvette clark, first vice chair of the congressional black caucus. we want to open up at this time to the press for any questions you may have. our colleagues have already entered the building to meet
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with attorney general loretta lynch, but we're here united as a caucus to answer any questions that you may have at this time. >> what do you say to people -- ms. clarke: what we would say history has already shown us in 2016, 173 unarmed black people in the united states of america have lost their lives at the ands of law enforcement. >> have congressional republicans made any commitment -- ms. clarke: i'm going to have congressman bobby scott. mr. scott: the frustrating thing about this issue is unlike others, we have a
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problem in there are specific things we can do. we talked about introducing legislation that we have introduced legislation and we have actually passed legislation. the death in custody reporting act which requires the department of justice to collect all data on deaths in custody, deaths in jail, and prisons so it can be analyzed. so we know what to do. that passed with the support of the republicans. passed on a voice vote in the house. and unanimous consent in the senate. that passed two years ago. it hadn't been implemented. we need to start that. that's one thing we can do. the other thing is legislation pending, ift introduced legislation with significant republican support, the safe justice act, which includes training for police officers in bias, deescalation, how to avoid profiling. there's also legislation that's pending and sheila jackson lee can talk about that, how we can upgrade the police forces.
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there are specific things that we can do, a lot of it has bipartisan support, where we just have to take action. ms. jackson lee: thank you so very much. i am likewise proud, sheila jackson lee, ranking member on the criminal justice committee, but on the police working group that is established by democrats and republicans as john conyers indicated, with his leadership and that of the chairman goodlatte, and other members which includes hakim jefferies and as well robin kelly and as well considered as read rick -- cedric richmond among others. we'll meet this afternoon again to discuss the reality of police community relations. here is the answer to have republicans done something. we have the ability to do something by passing the legislation on the floor of the house. right now i would call it an immediate crisis of large proportion, catastrophic proportion, man-made disaster
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proportion, that a law enforcement integrity and honesty bill must be passed now. we're doing a number of things as mr. scott said, productive things, going into communities and trying to address the cancer of violence. but at the same time we must have a meeting of the minds of the distinguished law enforcement of this nation mourn ves' lost we juxtaposed against mothers who mourn, the numbers of black sons continuously and to answer the question, the numbers are not small. they are large. because they continue. and i don't know if i go to sleep tonight whether will i wake up tomorrow and there will be another shooting. the only way we bring peace and justice is that they listen to the congressional black caucus. the working group pushes to the floor of the house, that is voted on with the help of the u.s. department of justice and there work and to the senate and signed by the president of the united states.
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that is what will be an answer of republican and democratic working together on solving at least the idea of solutions on the constant innocent deaths of those unarmed by the hands of law enforcement or in essence under the authority or under cover of law. that is what we must cure. that is what i call a response f republicans and democrats. mr. richmond: a lot of what we need has already been drafted.
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mostly by members of this caucus. whether it's criminal justice reform or the police accountability and integrity act, which is authored by john conyers. but the additional factor in this in the working group will work on will be the resources we need to institute true community policing and to train officers better and to focus on deescalation tactics. most of the legislation that we need has been authored by members of this congress and the list is very long on the pieces of legislation that we ave. >> conled trump said he would implement stop and frisking because it worked well in new york. what are your responses to this? ms. clarke: i am a new yorker. the federal government felt otherwise. the federal courts have ruled it inconstitutional to stop and
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frisk americans. we would ask donald trump to bone up on his knowledge what is constitutional and what is nconstitutional. >> donnell trump is a national embarrassment and i'm looking forward to november 8 when this national nightmare will end. mr. jefferies: he constantly rolls out things that have no basis in reality. for years stop, question, and frisk was implemented in new york and it had nothing to do with the decline in crime. hundreds of thousands of innocent law-abiding individuals, most of whom were african-american, were stopped, questioned, and frisked, embarrassed, detained, humiliated in some cases brutalized, often without justification. according to the nypd own statistics, 90% of the individuals who were subjected to stop, question, and frisk
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encountered did nothing wrong. no gun, no drugs, no weapon, no contraband, no crime, nothing at all. so the notion that stop and frisk had anything to do with the improving public safety numbers in new york is ludicrous. and donald trump needs to check his facts. >> on donald trump, this is supposed to be his alleged roll out to get closer and more african-american votes. mr. meeks: for donald trump he's doing, he's done it throughout, he's tried to present a stereotype of african-americans that fits the description of some of the individuals who support him or deplorable so that they can turn out in this vote. so he's not going after them because he knows that coming from new york that one of the most divisive things that took place in new york was the stop and frisk tactic. so he is doing this, needs to
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take our country back from who and where? make our country great again? it's great now. when was it greater before? what period are you talking about? so you listen to everything that he's done. and you look he he brought up his friends, don king, who he knows how don king think he knows, because he said he's been his friend for years, he's a care kaczur, just like trump is they're two peas in a pod. and we are going to make sure that donald trump does not implement the kind of unconstitutional law enforcement that the judge rules in new york city. ms. clarke: thank you, everybody. >> at the justice department,
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attorney general loretta lynch spoke about this. silent protests in charlotte, and recent bombings in new york and new jersey. ms. lynch: good afternoon, everyone. hope everyone's day is going as well as mine. before we turn to today's announcement, let me address the recent events in charlotte, north carolina. the rep re-cent death of keith lamont scott in shrlt is under local investigation. we are aware of the tragic events that resulted in his death and the department of justice and f.b.i. are monitoring that matter. now for the second day in a row, protests in response to mr. scott's death took place in charlotte last night and for a second day in a row, they were marred by violence, this time leaving one person on life
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support and several individuals injured and also a reminder that violence often only begets violence. the details of what happened last night are still under review by local authorities but today, the department of justice is sending four members of our community relations service to charlotte. our office of community oriented policing services has also offered technical assistance and support for crowd mediation to local police. and the local f.b.i. office stands ready to assist local law enforcement as well. but let me also speak to the people of the state of north carolina. a beautiful state, a great state, and my home state. i know that these are difficult times. and i know that the events of recent days are painfully unclear and they call out for answers. but i also know that the answer will not be found in the violence of recent days. let us all seek a peaceful way forward. now, most of the demonstrators gathered last night for
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exercising their constitutional and protective right to peaceful protest in order to raise issues and to create change. we need your voice. we need your passion. we need your commitment. but i urge those responsible for bringing violence to these demonstrations to stop because you're drowning out the voices of commitment an change and you're ushering in more tragedy and grief in our communities. the tragic events in charlotte and tulsa, oklahoma, earlier this week once again underscored the divisions that exist between law enforcement officers and the communities we serve, particularly communities of color. one of my top priorities as attorney general has been to do everything in my power to help heal those divides and the department of justice will continue working tirelessly to protect the rights of all americans to give law enforcement the resources they need to do their jobs safely and fairly. to open dialogue, to promote reconciliation and to reduce
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violence of all kinds in this country. but as we've seen in recent months, despite these efforts and despite the efforts of many others across the country, we have come together with thoughts and prayers far too many times for victims of violence. civilians and law enforcement officers aleek. too many times we have aloud ourselves to be pulled down the easy path of blame and accusation. rather than the harder path of empathy and understanding. let us choose that path. let us work together to ensure that all americans have both a voice and value in this great country of ours. and let me reaffirm my full commitment and the full commitment of this department of justice to advancing that effort. and to those who are exercising that most fundamental of our freedoms, we hear your voices and we feel your pain. to all the law enforcement officers who continue to risk their lives day in and day out
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to keep us safe and to protect those essential freedoms, i extend my deepest thanks and support. but finally, i urge all americans to ask themselves what they can do to contribute to the more peaceful, the more perfect and the more just union that is our shared heritage, that is our mutual responsibility and that is our common goal. i thank you. moving on to the announcement of this afternoon. i am joined here today by principal deputy assistant director ben miser, head of the justice department's civil division and i'm joined by the u.s. attorney for the eastern district of new york rod capers as well as the acting director of the treasury department's foreign access control, john smith, and the direct dwhroferse division of marketing practices. we are here today to announce a series of major law enforcement
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actions against companies and individuals who are involved in mass mailing schemes that have defrauded literally millions of americans. the actions taken by the department and our agency partners include bringing criminal charges, filing civil injunction complaints, imposing economic sanctions, seizing criminal proceeds, and executing search warrants. these actions represent significant steps in the federal government's ongoing efforts to protect the american people, especially the most vulnerable among us, from fraud and exploitation. now, every year, americans receive tens of millions of fraudulent solicitation letters. many of these letters, for example, falsely claim that the recipient has won cash or valuable prizes. and in order to collect these benefit the letters say, the recipient need only send in a small amount of money for a processing fee or taxes. but the perpetrators of these
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mass mailing schemes are targeting elderly individuals and those in vulnerable situations and their activity the activities we're here to talk about today have cheated americans out of hundreds of millions of dollars. this fraud is massive in scale, it is global in scope, and it can be devastating on an individual level. the schemes involve a complicated web of actors located across the world. fregs, the actions announced today include criminal charges in a civil injunction action against a turkish resident whose direct mail schemes defrauded u.s. victims out of more than $29 million. they include a seizure warrant against a bank account of a canadian payment processor that laundered money for more than 100 mass mailing fraud campaigns and an order dez egg nating the payment processor as a significant transnational criminal organization. they also include a consent
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decree that would impose a permanent injunction against two so-called caging services in the netherlands which received and processed the victim payments. and also tracked victims' personal information. the companies and the individuals named in these actions operated different parts of mass mailing fraud scream schemes in different parts of the world but they all acted with the same malicious intent. to take advantage of elderly individuals and other vulnerable citizens. the actions announced today are the result of the tireless efforts of the men and women they have civil division's consume brother text branch. also from the u.s. attorney's office for the eastern district of new york, the treasury department, the u.s. postal inspection service and the federal trade commission. together, we are deploying the full range of tools at our disposal, including administrative, civil, and criminal actions against those who commit fraud. and in the days ahead, we will continue working together to
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protect the american people from exploitation. but we cannot succeed alone. in this area, we need the public's help also. indeed, the best defense against these types of scams is public awareness. and that is why the department is also collaborating with seven federal agencies and numerous nonprofit groups on a public education campaign to combat this fraud and protect our nation's seniors from financial exploitation. if our sit -- because our senior citizens should be enjoying their retirement not financing some fraudster's lifestyle. we've developed material to educate consumers an care givers about how to identify these mass mailing scams. we need your help. in looking out for our friends, our neighbors, an our family members who might be at risk. if you do suspect a scam, we are counting on you to file a complaint with law enforcement.
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you can file this complaint, literal i -- literally online at together, we can stop mail fraud. once again, let me thank and commend all of our partners in this effort. i'm now going to turn the podium ver to mr. john smith. john? mr. smith: good afternoon. i'd like to thank the attorney general and the department of justice for the opportunity to discuss in greater detail the u.s. department of the treasury's role in today's multiagency action to combat attempts to victimize u.s. citizens through mail fraud schemes. let me begin with some context for today's action. in 2011, the white house announced president obama's strategy to combat transnational organized crime. which aims to protect americans
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from transnational criminal organizations and activities. as well as to safeguard the u.s. financial system. as a result, the president signed executive order 13581, authorizing treasury's office of inancial control or ofacs, assisting transnational ornyizations and those who support them. today we took action under this executive order to protect america's most vulnerable. by dez egg nating the group as a significant transnational criminal organization. with operations in canada, ireland and the united kingdom, and subsidiaries or affiliates in 15 other jurisdictions, pacnet is the third party payment processor of choice for perpetrate yrs of a wide range of mail fraud schemes. they have a nearly 20-year history of knowingly processing payments related to these
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fraudulent solicitation schemes, which result in the loss of millions of dollars for u.s. consumers. it's international -- its international corporate and financial infrastructure allows it to launder and move money while obscuring the ownership of funds belonging to its clients. despite many notifications it has received as part of the legal proceedings against fraudsters over the years, pacnet nonetheless has continued to knowingly process pames for numerous companies that are actively involved in widespread mail fraud campaigns. in order to hold key individuals nd entities of pacnet's global network responsible, ofac is also designating a global network today of 12 individuals and 24 entities across 18 countries. the 12th -- the 12 individuals designated by ofac serve as executives or directors in
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several linked companies simultaneously and in some cases provide specific guidance as to how to hide the ill list nature of the operations or deceive financial institutions with which they interact. the 24 companies designated today comprise a group or are ebtities under control of pacnet executives or other companies. as a result of today's action, all property and interest in property subject to u.s. jurisdiction such as bank accounts and financial transactions of those designated individuals and entities are blocked or frozen, meaning the tite to the blocked property remains with the designate person and authorization from ofac is required to access or transact in that property. u.s. persons are also generally prohibited from engaging in any transactions with the individuals and entities designated today. as the terning mentioned, ofac carried out this designation in
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conjunction with u.s. and foreign partners. in particular they coordinated this action with the consume brother text branch of the u.s. department of justice and the u.s. postal inspection service. ofac also received substantial assistance in this investigation from the united kingdom's national crime agency. in order to disrupt, dismantle and defeat the significant transnational criminal organizations that threaten the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the united states, treasury will continue to collaborate with our domestic and international partners and use its authorities to respond to the evolving nature of transnational organized crime. with that, i thank you and turn mr. cottrell of the u.s. enforcement service. mr. cottrell: as you just heard
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the attorney general talk about the results of the investigation, it's not a victimless crime. fraud not only victimizes people by robbing them of their money and shattering their sense of financial well being, it hurt theirs dignity and sense of self-worth. postal service receive complaints about these scams from kir gave -- care givers, victims and diligent postal workers. we try to stop the schemes an we have an act i interdiction program to identify these mailings and stop them at our borders before they ever get into the united states mail. in this mass mailing fraud operation we find three different, yet simple, scams. sweep stakes, lottery, and psychic. here's how they work. skeep stakes and foreign lottery scams are similar. victims receive a solicitation in the mail claiming they won a prize, such as a large sum of money, cash, luxury car. or they've won a lottery prize, maybe not the top prize but a
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hefty second place prize. these winnings are actually depicted in large, bold type, or by a colored picture of a luxury automobile. all the winner has to do to claim this prize is pay a nominal processing fee or a small amount for taxes. but they're not winners. the letters come in very attention grabbing envelopes designed to lead you to believe that you actually have won something. however, no prize is ever delivered, no prize ever existed to begin with. the winning letter was just like millions of other letters that when out in solicitations and mass mailings to hundreds of thousands of victims around the world at the same time. for most individuals, once they've mailed in the small fee and received nothing in returning they soon realize they've been scammed, but some, especially vulnerable older americans, keep believing they've won and they keep sending in more money. in some cases, the scammer takes
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-- then takes the relationship to the next level, increasing his or her grip on the victim while emotionally isolating them from friends and family. often, victims are told not to share news about their win wgs their families, at least not until they receive their big check. once the scammer start he doesn't stop. scammers demands -- the scammer's demands are relentless. they get -- victims get bombarded with more and more solicitations as their demographic information is rened or sold to more scammers. the psychic scam gives a different twist. scam start whence victims receive a highly personalized letter purportedly from a sigh tick or clairvoyant who claims to have had a specific vision about that victim. and is either predicting impending good fortune or warning of immeant -- imminent doom. the fortune teller claims to be able to ensure the good fortune will arrive or ward off bad omens but only if their instructions are carefully followed.
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these instructions typically include some ritualistic task such as holding a specific piece of paper in their hands and then returning it to the psychic for a reading. of course the victim is also asked to pay some symbolic sum of money for the psychic to perform their work. but there is no specific or individual premonition about the subject. no matter how personalized these solicitations are produced in bulk and mailed to hundreds of thousands of victims around the world at the same time. as the scam moves forward,villes typically pay an amount of money for a special good luck item. specifically tailored to bring them good fortune. when postal inspectors conducted a search in connecticut, they found a warehouse full of these special good luck tokens, medals and trinkets. they were typically purchased for less than a dollar from a company overseas and sold to victims for up to $45. millions of victims around the world fall for these scams. in the u.s. well, see hundreds
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of thousands of victims every month. what's more tragic is the same victims are lured into buying these schemes repeatedly. sometimes mailing pames on a daily basis. and the losses are staggering. in the u.s., these schemes result in the loss of more than $100 million per year. globally, the loss is considerably more. some victims have lost everything. some have sent money to these schemers instead of paying their living expenses, such as rent, utilities or even for medicine. victims have become estranged from family member who was tried to intervene to stop the victims from can'ting to send money. so what are we doing to stop this victimization? these civil enforcement actions are intended to stop the schemes of these operators and service providers. we will continue to investigate and pursue additional charges against these operators and service providers. also, our efforts to stop mail from going to these foreign operators is having a dramatic
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impact, saving thousands of american citizens millions of dollars. the law enforce. and civil injunction efforts are just a part of our initiative. we believe that consumer education is the best defense against these scammers. we can't arrest all these con artists, preventing the crime is critical to our mission. our outreach includes media campaigns, television news segments through our consumer alert news network, designed to make viewers aware of the various fraud scams that can victimize them. so how can people protect themselves from fraudulent solicitations in the mail. don't send the payment. you never have to pay to enter a legitimate sweep stakes. pay attention to your loved ones. early detection is key. take note of the mail they receive. if you notice stacks of mail from isicks or solicitations for prizes, sweep stakes or lotteries, that's a red flag. take action. thank you.
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ms. lynch: thank you so much to our partners. questions? >> seems clear from some of the events in charlotte that a lot of police -- a lot of resident there is don't trust the local police account of what happened and what is happening. i wonder, what would it take for the justice department to take over that investigation and does that sort of lack of trust about the local investigation play into that calculus? ms. lynch: we're monitoring the situation now. it is being investigated locally. we are very aware of it. every case is different. i'm not going to be able to outline for you what would make us open a full investigation in charlotte or when that might occur. but what i can say is we are monitoring the situation and we're very aware of the issues, including the issue that you raised of trust between law enforcement and the charlotte community as well. >> top law enforcement official, a lot of people are asking why is it police in new jersey were
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able to neutralize a terror suspect that kept him alye, preserved him for trial and questioning, but this week in columbus, charlotte and tulsa, black citizens were shot and killed in routine police interactions. do you have any insight into the differences? ms. lynch: i think that's a question i've certainly heard from citizens on the ground, from residents of those communities who have compared the situations and i think that while we always say of course every case is different, when you are in that community where you feel that someone a member of your community, was not given that same consideration, that's going to ring rather hollow. that's not going to be a satisfactory answer. but we're not able to compare all of the different situations, you know, line by line, action by action, item by item, except to say that this is a matter of great concern to the department of justice. obviously the terrorism investigation is proceeding apace as well and that defendant will be brought to court and hopefully we'll learn more about his motivations.
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with respect to the recent police shootings, we are looking very carefully at all of them. we're more involved in tulsa, for example. we're still monitoring the situation in charlotte as other jurisdictions across the country as well. when we talk about the issues of, at least when i've talked about the issues of law enforcement's relationships with the communities we serve, one of the most important aspects of that relationship is, of course, trust. we see it frayed, we see it broken in many communities. one of the ways we've been trying to rebuild that trust is by trying to break down barriers or silos between law enforcement and the community and get them to rebuild the relationship in areas that may not be connected to those shootings. for communities, for example, to be involved in police procedures. to be involved in police training. when my community -- on my community policing touring i've been highlighting jurisdictions that have been doing that. for example, fayetteville, north carolina, has a program where community residents as a group
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are actively involved in suggesting policies to the police department about body cameras. other jurisdictions bring members of the community in and show them how they train law enforcement. both so the community members can learn how police officers are trained, but they can also offer input and tell police officers how their perception of those actions. because we find the lack of understanding on both sides of that equation. so this area obviously, the specific cases we have to deal with what happened with the loss of life of these individuals and determine how to best proceed and bring answers to those families. on a larger issue, one of the ways, as i've said, is to get communities more involved in police activities, in police training, also in terms of opening up police departments to communities. we've seen successful situations where police departments will in fact open themselves to the community, come in and lock at our officers.
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we're going to post online who everyone is. their demographics. so that you know us. we're urging that type of accountability and transparency as well. and finally, we're also supporting police departments as they themselves take action in these cases. i think it's very, very important for people in the community to see law enforcement be accountable to the community. >> do you support the policies being so different across the country, will is there a role for the department of justice to come in and try to make it more uniform? ms. lynch: the role we have been trying to play and have been playing in a number of ways has been through, for example, through our civil rights division. if we are working directly with a police department, either collaborative reform or an investigation, often we're focusing on use of force policies. we also through the cops office have established a procedure where many law enforcement agencies come to the department and ask for assistance. they ask for review of their
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procedures. often use of force but sometimes others. and what we will try and do as well is to look at police departments of a certain size and demographic and match them with other police departments that navigated those waters before so they can have that peer relationship and mentoring relationship and see what has been found to be effective and accepted by beth the police department and those community members. and so we've been working very, very hard on that. both providing that support, where asked, when requested, and through our constitutional policing practice. let me turn to pierre, then i'll come back. >> madam attorney general, having grown up in north carolina, give us a sense of your personal reaction when you see some of those images unfolding from your home state. how do you feel? ms. lynch: i can tell you, i did grow up in north carolina and i also know charlotte rather well. so i, like most people, watching it, i was tremendously saddened at the loss of life.
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i'm awaiting information so we can make fuller evaluation of the specific incident and when we see protests, when we see individuals coming out, i feel that in charlotte, as in so many cities so many jurisdictions, people are protesting the specific situation but also protesting the more general and often larger sense of a lack of connection to law enforcement or to the community overall. so it's with a great sense of sadness and pain that i watch that. but also with a great sense of hope that by expressing those views, particularly the peaceful protests that we saw before violence broke out over the last two nights, that their voices can be heard and that they in fact can have those -- can have their views factored into local government, state government, the issues writ large. working with north carolina on a
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number of issues, and so i think overall it's important that all the residents of that state feel they have a way to express themselves and that they also have recourse when they have concerns. >> it's clear that there's a lack of trust there between some members of community and the police department. thus far the police department is refusing to release body cam video. should that video be released to at least calm the situation and let people know what exactly happened? ms. lynch: i'm not going to give specific guidance to the police department right now since we're monitoring the situation. i think what we have seen, however is that in situations where information is released, even when that information is painful to watch or difficult to see, certainly from a personal perspective or for the family member of someone, that the act of providing greater transparency is more helpful than not. but i can't speak to the process. that the charlotte police department is undergoing. for example, i don't know if they set up a procedure to in fact release the tape. i don't have that information right now. and so we again are monitoring
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that situation and where we have seen more information being provided that usually helps the situation. again, we're watching -- again, watching anyone lose their life is always going ton painful. they may have set up a protocol for that -- protocol for that, may have a procedure for that. certainly that's something we're willing to provide insight into. right now we're monitoring the situation but it is a local investigation. >> in charlotte three year ago, there was a police-involved shooting under sort of similar circumstances and it attracted a degree of local attention but we saw zero community unrest like what we're seeing right now. i'm wondering, if your perspective as attorney general, is it your sense that the anger is probably rising in this nation, or is it more that there's a template that's now been developed in the last two years in which protests and occasional violence actually tend to follow these shootings in a way that when you were in
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brooklyn you might not have seen in years past. ms. lynch: people in brooklyn do protest as well, they'll definitely tell you what they think. i think the people raising their voices in charlotte should speak for themselves an they've been doing. so we welcome what they have to say because that's an important part of this national dialogue. so i won't try and speak for them and explain why they took an action this year as opposed to a few year ago. i do think that we have seen in the national debate over these issues attention not just to the specific shootings that have occurred or the officer involved shootings that have occur bud a discussion within the community about the larger issues. more and more questions about the significance of a particular shooting and what you heard people, at least with the media reports people asking last night about what does this mean for how our police view us. what does it mean for how people think about us. those larger questions seem to
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be at the heart of the actions over the last two nights. but again as i said, i think that you know, the protest movement in this country is one of our most protected freedoms. it is in fact our first amendment. and it is one in which people express their views and hold up a mirror to society, to those of us who are entrusted with ensuring that we're living up to the greatst ideal of society. and so the peaceful protest movement is an prnt one in this country and it's an important one for bringing about change and raising issues. and i think you've also seen throughout the country, however, people expressing their views and concerns on similar issues. and it has in fact spurred a dialogue. it has helped this debate. this is a painful debate. these are painful times. difficult things to talk about. whether you are a community member, whether you are a community member who is also a member of law enforcement. but we are having those discussions across the country. i've been involved in them.
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literally sitting at the table with law enforcement and community members, latching how they have found ways to come together and hoping to share those ways with other communities so they too can come together an work on these issues. ultimately at the end they have day people do realize that the support and health of a city depends on everyone. residents and law enforcement alike. >> are you an advocate of proactive stop and frisk policies? do you think they have a role in reducing gun violence? are they part of the policies that have led to unrest? and did you have experience in your time in brooklyn in how that was sorted out. ms. lynch: i'm not an advocate or not an advocate of a policy on that, particularly one that's now become part of the political debate and dialogue. i don't comment on things that have become part of that issue but i can tell you in new york,
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i think people know the history with the review of stop and frisk policies and how that practice was implemented. in a way that was not help to feel community trust and to frankly, public safety and enhancing the relationship between law enforcement and community members and so a number of modifications were made to the policy within new york. obviously police officers are able to stop individuals if they in fact have arctic labble, reasonable suspicion that ey're involved in suspicious activity. the issue with stop and frisk in the new york area was the widespread, indiscriminate use of that practice, particularly when it was not generating success from a law enforcement perspective in either leads or tips or firearms and the resulting lack of trust that it generated. as with every police procedure, we want to empower law
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enforcement to be responsive to community needs. we want to empower them to protect the community and we want to give the information and training that they need in order to do it in a way that is constitutional, safe, and in fact promotes trust. that's not really a yes or no answer, sorry for that >> in the new york bombing case, the suspect bought, allegedly, many of his parts for the bombs online from ebay. is the government engaged in any sort of review of its tripwire programs to see if they need to alter or tighten anything as far as tripwires go for online purchases? ms. lynch: with respect to that chase because that individual has been charged and will be presented in court soon, it's an active, ongoing investigation i'm not able to give you a response on the specifics of that except to say that of course as with any case where we are looking at a methods and means of obtaining either explosives, firearm, whatever
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was used in something, we'll be reviewing the ways in which uspects gained access to that. >> we're seven week eas way from an election. there's been a lot of stuff in the news about russian actors and other actors trying to influence the election. i wonder what the justice department is doing to prevent fraud, prevent hacking of the election system are they doing things different this year that maybe they didn't do four years ago or eight years ago? ms. lynch: with respect to cybercrime in general, it's a priority of mine, something we're always focused on. with the hacks recently disclosed this past summer, those investigations are on going as well. we take it very seriously. we're always working with individuals who find themselves involved in this to both gain information about any kind of disruption, give them the tools
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they need to stop a disruption or stop information from being taken, and we also look at all types of infrastructure. most recently as has been reported the department of homeland security has reached out to all 50 states and offered assistance in reviewing their electoral systems to determine if there are vulnerabilities to offer assistance essentially because that's an important part of our process. we have confidence in the electoral system in the states. i know that the f.b.i. director has noted it's because it's primary very old now a dated system. sometimes planned obsolescence can work for one. in this regard it's something we're taking very seriously and we're pursuing all avenues there as well. i think the difference in recent years is that the hacks we are seeing now are coming close to an election. they are targeting political entities or people, you know, again, and so that's something
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that we at least was not seen, was not publicized in recent years but it's something we take very, very seriously. >> striking with the cybercrimes theme. it was reported today that emails belonging to a white house hacker were purportedly eaked on the internet and that there was apparent copies of mrs. obama's passport and other internal documents. is that something the justice department is looking into and has d.o.j. been able to authenticate any of the information? ms. lynch: we're awear of those media reports, it is something we're looking into. i don't have any specific information for you at this time. we are awear of those media reports. there was one in the back who didn't get to ask something. >> he came to the united states ack in 1995 asn asylum
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seeker. should there be, should something break in the system when someone sought asylum in a country returns to that country, going back to afghanistan, that didn't seem to happen in this case. ms. lynch: the asylum process runs through a series of -- series of vetting and review and ultimately someone comes in. foreign travel is recorded. when people are aware, we're able to go back and look at travel records for people as part of a normal course of travel records. it would depend upon again how close it was, if someone was, for example, in the middle of seenging asylum. it's hard so say with regard to this specific case what different that would have made. what i will say with regards to the defendant, rahemi, is we're still engaged in actively reviewing everything that we can find out about this individual, his connections here, his kecks overseas, that would include travel that would include any
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contacts he may have made durk travel to see how they would also factor into the events he stands charged with. thank you all. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] >> back on capitol hill, the house is in recess for a classified briefing about counterterrorism efforts. the f.b.i. and homeland security department are conducting that meeting. members are expected back in the 4:00 hour with votes on a bill banning cash payments to iran and another on employee stock ownership. talks have been going on all week on funding the federal government beyond next friday and some news on that this afternoon. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell scheduled a vote next week on what he said is a clean
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funding resolution to avoid a government shutdown on october 1, extending funding until december 9. the democrats say the bill isn't good enough, creating a standoff with just days to go until government funding expires. senatormy cullsky, the senior democrat, said the proposal falls short because it doesn't include emergency funding to rebuild water infrastructure for flint, michigan, where lead tainted drinking water caused a scan call earlier this year. the house dow back in the 4:00 hour, we'll have live coverage here on c-span. right now, some of this morning's "washington journal" with members talking about recrevent bombings in new york and new jersey. in light of what happened this weekend in new jersey, new york, and minnesota, we are turning our attention discussing domestic terrorist attacks. joining us from capitol hill this morning is congressman donald payne, a democrat of new jersey and the member of homeland security.
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includesdistrict linden, new jersey, where the bombing suspect was caught. what is the latest in the investigation? guest: thank you for having me, greta, first of all. it is good to be with you. the latest is, we had a committee hearing yesterday, and andral experts, before us we are finding that a journal tot rahami had on him open to some information that the official agencies are finding useful. are somes that there combatants inis his journal. excuse me.
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actualmentions the bombings and where he wanted to act out his vengeance. that has really been the latest. we are supposed to have another top-secret briefing with homeland this afternoon. host: what can you tell us about of this alleged attacker received help from other people? twot: it appears there are people of interest that the fbi would like to talk to. they're working on tracking them down. we are hoping that they are able to find these two persons very quickly. opportunity, as you stated, he was captured in my district in linden, new jersey.
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i was able to speak to chief , andon that day congratulate him on the work he and his officers did in capturing rahami. injured ins were this capture. officer hammer an officer padilla. they are both doing fine. coming out of the hospital, they asked to go back to work. that is a commitment of our first responders here in the nation. we just want to thank them. host: we want to invite her viewers to call in with their questions and comments about how best to try to stop domestic terror attacks. our guest is congressman payne, one of four members we are talking to the fit on the homeland committee, charged with
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protecting homeland. congressman, do you believe that -- dorson one person believe that one person could of made the bombs and put them in place like this alleged attacker did over the weekend? guest: well, i am sure one person could do it. when i was told it was one person, i sat back and thought about the time it must have taken to put all of this together, and even just to deliver it to the different sites. it seems like a great deal of work for one person, but it could be achieved over a period time. it is just a matter of how long it took, and also, you know, they have tracked down where rahami had gotten some of the raw materials off of ebay. those items when were purchased, we can tell the
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timeframe in which he was working. host: so this brings up his history, the law enforcement, the fbi being aware of him. he was flagged two times. the bombing suspect passed scrutiny. returned when rahami from a year-long trip to pakistan, he was pulled off for a screening. they notify the national targeting center assessing potential threats. what is this national targeting center? how does your name to put into this database? if you was in this database, how come he was not watched more closely? -- if he was in this database, how come he was not watched more closely? guest: we need to look at that.
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flagged thosewas two times was because of his travel. he passed through which allowed him to get back into the country. he is a naturalized american citizen with some certain rights. definitelye need to take these issues quite seriously. host: let's get the calls. robert in virginia, democrat, you're up first for the congressman. caller: yes, congressman. bombshese people set off from whatever they come from overseas, we should not be we should not be allowing his wife to return to the united states of america
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when she probably know something about it, and the father, and anybody who something to do with it. they should be shipped out of it netted states and not allowed to return. host: congressman, what are your thoughts? guest: well, i think those are options that can be looked at. we also have to remember, you know, he was a naturalized american citizen. and i believe his father was as well. as the caller stated, we need to verify that. theit will come out if father or anyone else in the family had given him aid. i agree with the caller. to a degree, but we also have to remember american citizens have certain rights.
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makee have to definitely sure that the homeland of faith. host: what about those rights? the wall street journal editorial says it is time to open the interrogation and surveillance debates because he was a naturalized citizen. they said he was already read his miranda rights and lawyered up even though he is not cooperating with the fbi. the next president should reverse mr. obama's policy, and allow terrorists captured on u.s. soil to be declared enemy combatants who can be interrogated at length to prevent future attacks. do you agree, disagree? guest: i think the whole issue defining them as enemy combatants, you know, if the evidence bears out that that is the case, that definitely put them in a different category.
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you know, as this investigation mies on, i am sure mr. rahall will end up in a category, but we have to let the investigation --it is very early. one of the interesting things, and i commend lon performance -- and i commend law enforcement once again in terms of capturing him so quickly, less than 48 hours when rahami was captured. i think that, you know, the expertise in which law enforcement is working together across different agencies, and really working for the common goal, has really moved the -- moved the homeland security issue forward in a positive manner. previously, you would have and theetween the fbi
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limited police department on whose jurisdiction it is. now, it has become fluid. the homeland security is working as the mission is described. so, we are just delighted that they were able to capture him in the timeframe that they did. that we need to make sure that the community stays involved. and if they see something, say something. had it not been for that bar contacted saw him and the police, we don't know where we would be right now. beach, florida, independent. caller: thank you for taking my call. votedday, the senate
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51-27 to sell arms to saudi arabia. arabiayou know if saudi is the most islamic terrorist country on earth. how do you sell arms to the most radical country? [indiscernible] this country reviews radical countries -- host: congressman? guest: i was having a hard time understanding him. host: he was talking about us selling arms to saudi arabia. this caller making the claim that saudi arabia has the most
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ideologists in their country from the terrorism. guest: well, i think you have to terroristse radical from the government. we are selling to a sovereign government that has been an ally for decades now. problems fromany some of its citizens. include thenot saudi arabian government from recent. then, saudi arabia has continues to and benefit from that relationship. host: let's hear from robert in fort worth, texas, an independent. caller: good morning. host: good morning.
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caller: i grew up in that area. schoolto hillside high and went to a catholic school in elizabeth. i have friends in lindon. i lived in raleigh. that is a great area. i miss it a lot. that people are being -- their lives are being possibly jeopardized. it really is a great area to live in and makes me sad that be of this pressure has to brought down on those areas. i think the police did a really, really, really good job. i mean, jersey is a great place. a host: ok. lets hear from craig in lawton, oklahoma, democrat. caller: hello.
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he should go to prison and then be deported. to ar as giving weapons war, are we crazy? this will just cause more deaths. it will always fall into the wrong hands. look at iran, they used to be our buddies. would you want to give them more guns? what were we thinking about? that is not smart. ok, congressman, what about our involvement overseas in these hotspot areas in the middle east, and that impact that it has to the u.s. homeland? guest: we have been vigilant in these terrorist threats off of the mainland, and tried to intervene across the
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water in these countries and identify them before they get here. that is why we have set up checkpoints in such countries as abu dhabi. it allows us to try to identify these combatants, or people that would be an issue in the united states before the get on the soil. in terms of the iranian situation, what the president has done is try to normalize the relationships with them, and move forward in a positive manner. we will have to see how that works. but, you know, we have to continue to try to have relationships with these countries in order to be able to
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identify people who are an issue. host: rituals, wisconsin, martin, independent caller. caller: hi, greta. hi, congressman. my question has to deal with the support of law enforcement in all of these issues that i been going on in terms of racial relations and how that might affect some of the things happening in the country. i also would like to say in terms of your constituents from new jersey, in terms of being mosttoast, you may be the politicians i have ever seen. host: let me ask you is a ranking member of the home and community for preparedness, response and communication. yesterday, you heard from officials on capitol hill, recovered it on c-span, and one of the people testifying was john miller was nypd, there
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counterterrorism deputy. the 8000 cameras in new york that helped lead to the capture of this alleged attacker. do you think, or can you speak to why cameras are needed, and how much it costs, and should every city, major city head that direction? guest: i believe so, greta. obviously, you have seen the ontures that caught rahami several different cameras moving through new york. that was one of the ways they were able to track down who this person was. i think it has become a great, great aid to law enforcement, and we have to continue to make sure that the grant dollars for equipment isf available to law enforcement.
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a grant has helped many urban areas beef up and bolster their homeland in terms of detection and helping to make sure that the areas are safe. in there cut drastically 2016 budget. but chairman donovan of the emergency preparedness subcommittee, and myself, urged the administration to put those dollars back because they are so invaluable in helping law enforcement departments have equipment, and do the work they do in order to keep us safe. inse grants are invaluable new york, new jersey, and a given us the opportunity to be on the cutting edge of the type of equipment that we need in order to keep our citizens safe. host: homeland security
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department was created after the september 11, 2001 attacks. programmingf the for these grants, giving grants to cities in order to be able to deter a terrorist attack on the homeland. how much of that is your work that you do on the homeland security committee? guest: it is a pretty large chunk of what we do. even in the name of the subcommittee, preparedness -- responsibility is for any man-made, or natural disaster that happened in the homeland, we are engaged whether it's tornadoes in oklahoma, hurricanes in florida, earthquakes in california, or activities,one wolf
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such as we have seen over the past week. all of that falls under our purview. we deal with fema a lot with natural disasters. disaster int is a the united states, we work around making sure that we are prepared for those disasters, and the work is very rewarding. we work with a lot of great agencies and entities across the country in order to do so. host: let's go to vail, arizona, democrat. caller: good morning. good morning to everybody. what i would like to say is history goes back a long way. just looking back to


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