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looks at political satire in their coverage of the campaign. as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. washington journal is next. good morning, it is sunday september 25, just one day until the first presidential debate between donald trump and hillary clinton. as they prepare for tomorrow night's face-offs, new polls today show the presidential race in a virtual dead heat. it is expected to make the debate one of the world's most watched with 100 million viewers. fact also driven by the
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that a large amount of the electorate remains undecided. why. asking viewers viewerstake calls from who are either undecided or planning to vote or a third party candidate. those in the eastern or central can call this number. you can also reach us on social media on twitter at c-span. as we talk about the candidates for president and take calls from those who are not planning on voting. they are taking to the airwaves in order to convince our
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undecided voters. at's taken at -- a look hillary clinton's new ad. ♪ look her right and that fat ugly face of hers. she ate like opaque. a person who is flat-chested is hard to be attend. you treat women with respect? >> i can say that either. host: and donald trump is also on the airwaves. it is called movement. >> its movement, not a campaign. donald trump is a businessman and doing what other people called him possible. and unitedity is you
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for family, jobs, country. , pushingtogether ahead. , we willour future make america great again. those donald trump and hillary clinton are in the airwaves with ads ahead of tonight's debate. we're talking to those blotters in our lines today. pacific and mountains. some other headlines before we take those calls. hasspect in the shooting been arrested according to the new york times today that person
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was taken into custody last night that killed five people on friday. gunmen was captured tonight by authorities and he wrote on , cascade mall shooter is in custody. the suspect was taken into custody at about 6:30 p.m. last night. we're talking to undecided voters today. first we have tommy who is calling in from island, tennessee. first of all, i think donald trump is part of the book of revelations in the bible and i consider her to be the poor revelation.
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is there anything either one of them can say? caller: no because it's all doubletalk. who is going to grab the bull by the horns and get this country straightened is tod the main thing keep the blacks from killing the blacks. the only reason why the blacks are killing the blacks is money is making money off of it. that is the only reason why we have all this violence going on. who if anyone are you planning on voting for? caller: i will probably be jillg for chills nine -- stein.
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i cannot see bill clinton getting back into the white house. and people don't understand the general condition of this country. he is using everyone else as the case go. -- skate go. apgeoat. i haven't voted for a democrat in many years. this is the bottom line, either , thef these candidates nation will be totally polarized . the after this election will be
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a bad day. host: we have joe calling in from sun city california. why are you voting for either? i will be voting against political correctness. who i'm voting for. trump. let's take a look at some of the other third parties that are running in this debate. , the nomineetein for the green party and they are move ---- seeking to woo some young voters.
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jill stein this doingjill stein her best to sway them. she has a goal of reaching 5% this time. could posef showing a huge headache for rent in. as the number of undecideds is large this year and we are listening to those callers today. today, some other news they have released a video of the deadly shooting of keith scott. two videos were released.
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showed a body cam video not of the officer but of the officer yesterday. scottdeo shows keith exiting his vehicle and falling to the ground but it does not answer a crucial question on whether he was holding a gun or not. as we continue to talk to our voters, we are talking to anthony. caller: good morning. they say it's a government of the people by the people. small people can't seem to climb up the ladder.
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you can go all the way back to ross perot. the small people at the bottom and these green parties and independent parties can never get the traction because dinner -- big money goes either way. host: do you usually support one of the major parties? when they are only think that is a wasted vote. dogs ate only two big top. i can't trust hillary because therefuses to acknowledge drug problem. a wall problem at the border is the drugs that are killing our city and calling -- causing these crimes and shootings.
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a lot of them are destroyed by drugs and that is why you're having this racial problems between the police and these areas. there should be more acknowledgment of the drug problem at the border thing just as people and voters. polls leading into tomorrow's debate show a very tight race. hillary clinton and donald trump will meet in a virtual dead heat in the race for the white house. democratic nominees. with the gop nominee still facing down about his temperament. 44% forclinton and
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trump. clinton and trump are tied at 41%. up next, we have korean -- karine. satisfied with either candidate? i don't trust them. . am voting for jill stein with the other two, i cannot. host: is there anything that they could say for anything more you could learn that with make
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you change their mind? i just go with my buyers. -- vibes. her integrity. is a people person. i'm going for her. caller: good morning. i support hillary clinton right --
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is that the qualities that you have seen? is it more your lack of contentment? my lack of contentment for the other two candidates. what do you think about the fact of them will make the debate stage because they haven't made the requisite 15% in the polls. yes, i would. it would be nice. host: we have tony. what do you plan to do this year? caller: good morning. definitely don't plan
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participating in this rigged system. who wants to play a card game with a debt that is stacked. you have to understand how this thing works. 95% of the presidents are related. election, you have an when candidate is put in place to win and the other is put in place to lose. al gore was put in place to lose the election. hillary clinton and donald trump our friends. dealse already made the to donald trump has conceded
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throw the election for a no-bid contract. i think they are working together. the system is rigged. the president is selected at the builder meeting. it is taking place at 7:30 night beginning p.m.. can catch it on c-span at c-span.org and also on spanish radio. the coverage begins at 7:30 p.m. in that debate in new york. up next week have mark.
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what do you plan to do? i will be voting for jill stein. host: why do you support dr. stein? --ler: for a very normal novel reason. she is the person i actually and to see become president i think the problem is that people are not voting it for the they'ree they want, gobbling up with over a set out before them. strategy that the corporate political establishment is using to control the population. do you usually support either the democratic or republican candidate? you tend to be drawn to the other party?
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>> i have voted for ralph nader. i actually haven't been voting for the establishment. i think what they are doing is using this back in for as you can get the population caught up then you can pretty much get your agenda through. when people start thinking and actually voting for the then againsty want the candidate they don't want. both of them have been
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increasing their spending in order to appeal to those voters who don't want to vote for according to the huffington post. at that that while they are dominating campaign finance the elections most popular third party candidate gary johnson has been spending think -- significant shares of their campaign cash. the monthly report also captures to campaigns. johnson's efforts may be paying off. viewers andg to our finding out who they are voting for.
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up next to janet. i will be voting for johnson and the reason is i am a have been and i employed since 1986 and neither clinton nor trump reflects the values of the party that i have been voting for for 30 years. host: what is it that you would like to see from trump that you have not seen so far this campaign? i would like him to have some knowledge of the core values and the legal implications of our constitution. think both donald trump and clinton are equally likely to overstep the bounds of executive power. i think that both are likely to grow government then come back
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-- cut back and limited government presence in our lives. is not the public in party of .eagan host: as we see tomorrow nights at debate and everything that is , what are you looking for is anything? caller: i would like to see gary johnson in the national press more often. to theues are closer republican party of the 80's. andink individual liberty
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christian values only became prominent in 1992. the only way to win a general , i would like to see him on the news programs and the debate stage and they can see and identify that this person with there closely values of the voting public. the wall street journal recently took a look at who the undecided voters are. the said it is far different than in prior years. said that the polling shows typically unders -- under decided voters show little attachment to either party.
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they also tend to have lower income levels and education and voters overall. moreyear it includes much base income voters in create a larger pool. many more undecided voters with just a few we left. .e are talking to them we have angela. what do you intend to do? caller: i am not going to vote for either one. >> i live on social security. .e don't know
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people under security, we get nothing. are you going to stay home this year? no, i am not doing anything. they are not doing anything. even housing, used to be a people went on disability they would get first choice of housing. that does not exist anymore. host: is there anything either
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of them can say in the last few weeks to change your mind? caller: no. too many things they are talking about. how can we pay off wall street and bail out the call industry? we might get something in 2018. i'm trying to pay my bills. we can't get housing. host: of next we have faith. i think i am like
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everyone else. it is just such a topic this year. democrat always voted and after seeing the e-mails coming out, it was just heartbreaking. then we have the third highest office in the land he did not run the state department very well. much -- so many questions. time is this the first that you will vote for anyone other than democratic -- democratic nominee?
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family ifriend and have are not voting democrat. i cannot support people you don't have the values that are democratic party has told us. who are you going to vote for? i'm not sure. i'm going to watch the debate on and hope we make the right decision. hillary clinton has been on the campaign trail hoping to rally democrats. chelsea clinton has also been on there.
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>> one that she would look for his help on the economy. in 1980 we created 23 million new jobs and average incomes rose and rose arose. cities, incountry in rural areas. two, she would look for his parts of the world where she has a deep knowledge and and they havetive both said i talked about and then sheand says this. she would not consult him on things like china patterns.
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maybe if she takes up roberti, she will change your mind. that is chelsea clinton speaking yesterday in ohio about how her daughter -- father would hillary clinton. good morning. caller: we are a household voting of four. three of us are voting democrat voting garyest is johnson. his reason for voting for neither is because he feels that during the obama admin is libertieshat many
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have been infringed upon. want to vote for donald trump. he doesn't want to vote for them it doeshe feels that not address any issues. what sort of liberties is your son concerned about? caller: he is definitely concerned about government overreach as far as environmental issues. he disagrees strongly with various regulations.
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host: this has proposed some debate around the family. the day -- debates started long before he could register to vote. overd a very strong debate our different philosophy of the role of government. have tony calling in. caller: good morning. i will not be taking the privilege at all. as a unique position as an i don't seeican, where african-americans can thatcipate with the people
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consider them 3/5 of a man. there comes a time when we cannot pursue these all that is pushing what they want. and colonized another world. what do you say to the idea that there was a constitutional amendment to ensure that the right of the blacks to vote. it has encouraged more people to go to the polls. isn't that an important thing to do? as equal rights for equal citizens, yes. in the process of declaring that is one thing.
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the process of actually engaging in that is another. time that we will be mature. done, other than that we should be about appealing to our communities. -- ok.ak donald trump campaign yesterday in virginia and talked about the grand opening of this this money -- -- some sony of smithsonian museum of african american history. museum ofthsonian african american history. place, go lookul around.
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it i am very proud of it, i can tell you that. we congratulate and honor those involved with the project. [applause] african-americans have sacrificed so much for this nation. i will make sure it is protected and supported. -- was donald trump speaking on the campaign trail. jeff, what do you plan to do? more than likely it is going to be a right in vote. as far as the electoral process, i am a firm believer that it
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needs to be taken out whether it is public or government money. with the big private money we do not get candidates who are actually qualified and can run against the other. that is a big reason why i don't support any of the candidates. i don't think they are going to lead us. thatcond point to anyone is deciding to stay home and not vote this year, if you want to vote for president,. and sayo out and vote to vote local. your county enters the -- and your state are the most important you can make this year. that understands what happens in the future.
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-- may not be on the best shape the next four years but if we can establish our local government, that will build it from the bottom-up. post pointsshington out that gary johnson is blaming the troll army for a recent rumors that his former running quit tong mate will prevent a republican victory in november. it is best described by on an printable word. she said, occasionally you get a question that is thrown out of left field and instead of answering it.
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friends of bill well have spent the days at recovery center. interview, former washington post reporter has said that there will be pressure by his friend warning him he could pull votes from hillary clinton. thatjohnson is saying that is not happening. you have tim calling in. good morning tim. good morning. what do you plan to do with your vote this year? >> i don't plan on voting. both candidates are correct. corrupt. is there anything you would want to hear?
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their votes for up in their policies and everything else. tim are you going to stay home? i'm going to stay home because seems viableates this year. even the congress is so corrupt it's unreal. he wrote that. bet clinton and trunk can decided by undecided voters. info into their frame of mind, i spent friday
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evening with a full of undecided voters are you about a dozen other journalists. andk lutz was the superstar organized for three hours actuals. it is an important battleground state for virginia. voters are turned off. they are looking for a solution. don trump offers more diagnosis than prescriptions. ", positive messages for welcome but we are also far more rare to of someo the sinking undecided voters as we head into the debate tomorrow morning. -- night. i'll see if calling in from
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florida. good morning. i have been a democrat for 45 years and i can't vote for either one of them. sanders, i supported him strongly. when hillary clinton was riding around in a scooby doo mobile. she wanted to find out what the american did. for five to 10 years of what was going on. -- chelseahill clinton. those jobs were gone. i guess i have one more thing to that this is a theory i had. i saw the republicans were 30 candidates and donald trump was knocking them down,.
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this is a setup. donald trump over, and the bush family will be constant visitors. let me ask you this. what do you plan to do on election day? no, i will vote for candidates in the senate and congress and local that i feel are honest. they are hard to find. curb by thed to the so-called progressives that hillary clinton is supposed to be. is no progressive, she is more republican area donald trump is in on it. we are being scanned.
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host: we have built. i am not voting for either of them. i was consider myself a black african american. the reason why i am not voting is because the king alpha player and that is our problem. type that out right now. for our viewers who are not familiar with that. it is a plan that colonizes all our pledges. they like taking beer.
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plan to disrupt our lives and the plan is still in effect. day-to-day toof include this. it is a plan. coverage on c-span starting at and coming up next we will be talking about former indiana governor at purdue university. the committee. about tomorrow's debate and the candidates proposal on budget. talking aboutbe
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research into police shootings. it will also be the new african-american history museum. >> washington journal will begin later this morning. >> we will have a government that is why and for an why the people. >> no matter what, remember this. love trumps hate. the campaign continues. on the road to the right house with the first presidential beginningorrow night at 7:30 p.m. eastern. at 9 p.m. there is live coverage of this debate. the 2016 presidential debate on
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the span. watch anytime on-demand or listen live on the free c-span radio app. >> our c-span campaign has been out on the road asking voters for questions they would ask on the debate. i'm in dayton, ohio and the most important thing in the election is all of the higher education. , they youngest official need to make sure we are creating higher education that and also making sure we don't leave our with us in debt. germany -- my name
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to make and i am here sure with access to medical records and make a call is cheaper. the most important issue i have is their direction we will be seeing. i am a junior and i think one isthe most important issues fostering a from a young age is really important. you need to really expound upon it. >> voices from the road. washington journal continues. his formernow live
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indiana governor mitch daniels who is currently the president of purdue university. user to talk about tomorrow's debate. what can we expect? good morning, kimberly. let's start by telling our voters little bit about the role on the debate commission. what do you do there? i am one of 15 or so members. it was really led by some but his is a group of and i wasdmire pleased to be invited to take part. the: can you talk about how commission became responsible?
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it goes back into the 80's .nd someone i guess it has served ever since. i think it is a good and reliable process to bear that the candidates have respected each time around. host: we're talking to our viewers about tomorrow night's debate with governor daniels. these are the lines for republicans, democrats and independents. how many people are on the commission and what is the political makeup? andt is bipartisan
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nonpartisan. there are a couple other in theity presidents same boat. by imminent path leaders. he was a former republican party the group as i have is really committed to try and create a fair process. they will serve the public by exchange inseful the candidates and one that addresses the big issues we are facing. here is thatxample
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we were dealing with the biggest national debt almost could not have imagined. all the young people elsewhere in the country. maybe we will flush them out you might have thought. we are taking our call to say about these debates. sarah coming in from georgia. thanks for taking my call. you are disappointed when you and i have been a libertarian since the 1992 election. disappointed in this, in
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particular gary johnson. were ross perot pools. this is a travesty. they should be concerned about the education of voters. we have the highest disapproval -- disapproval ratings for both are high. let's give the governor a chance to respond. >> i understand the gentleman's and iof view completely was quoted this way earlier. i didn't think that it would be a good idea to liberalize the rules that the commission has been using over time. they are served pretty well in the past -- cast.
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show 15%date has to and that is thought to be a fair measure of viability. i think the commission feels -- there stage should has been a good argument that says he won't know how viable your candidate if they don't get a chance on that biggest platform of all. that has been a lively debate here and before. the condition as a whole makes it stronger. also having been announced quite some time ago, a used -- should be stuck with and not changed on the eve the debate. and is a decision i respect
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i absolutely agree with the gentleman's point that there are differences about this election. moreve two finalists disliked than any previous candidate and any other party. americans who of are not comfortable with either the choices. host: you specifically said that you would like to see the libertarian candidate on the stage. i raised the question under the unique circumstances as they develop. of thestand completely strong view. these folks have been around the block a few times and they know we are up to speed.
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>> thank you c-span and good morning, governor. i have a lot of admiration for you. the fairest way to do it is a .yth permission someone, iere is not just don't see that is fair. the second thing is that i'm ,ery troubled as a republican i've been with donald trump since day one. what is going to happen of elected?ump is will the party come together? will you serve if he were to ask you. why is the establishment doing this to us? first, i admire your
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citizenship. i commend you for that. the criteria that you mentioned being on the ballot to at least theoretically be erected -- is far from the guideline that they used. before they even mentioned. in addition, there is another standard decision of the commission. it be used in the past. they decided they are the best role. i will not comment, i don't know what happened. i don't speak for the republican party.
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weber oncet say that this election will try and it will be hard. real divisiveness on both sides. after years of the size, i hope that whoever wins will make a in thefort administration and the way that to bring people together. far too many people are not speaking the language of disrespect and the one tori had in elected office. big change requires a big majority and you only get it by practicing this. host: we're talking to mitch
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daniels, our current president. also a member of the commission. and theentioned, commission is not partisan. they recently took issue with that classification. it says it's true that there is a division. the reality is that there is not a conservative among them and they represent the establishment. although this is not a problem for hillary clinton, the .emocratic establishment the american thinker piece says this is a slap in the face to antiestablishment candidates? >> i don't. i will the commission shares speak for them as they should.
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host: we have had. governor, we are having a debate coming up to see which of our unobjectionable people makes the best debate. we will see who will be the least objectionable when you that both of the candidates are not like in other years. nobody likes either one. the huge vote against them in our public polls are that they are both objectionable. know that the 15% it's neither ofbecause
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the attorney of candidates can or thethe radio television shows enough that people know who they are. able to showt be that also in the debate. host: let's let governor daniels address your question. >> they were addressed in a previous answer. i have a and sympathy for both. i don't represent the commission here. i happen to be a member. if you would like to discuss the issue of the unaddressed issue of the national debt and what it means to our collective future. , we talkedse points about it a few minutes ago. it is not something that the commission has dismissed but a solid majority
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believes that it will eventually serve the public interest. host: we will talk about the federal budget later on. but just another question with respect to the debate. donald trump had suggested that lester holt, one of the debate moderators, not act as a fact checker and pointing to the last presidential election when candy crowelly did that and caused some controversy. a piece in the "washington post" says that one of the moderators is here, chris wallace, did some memorable fact checking during the republican primary debate using full screen graphics to smack down trump on points where wallace anticipated distortions.
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do you agree with that? guest: i think most people do. the feedback that i've, at least i believe i've heard about the selection of the various moderators has been that it's a really good group and that it is people who can expect to be fair and play the role really of referee simply in the sense of moving the debate along and making sure that candidates respect the rule, not being appearing to be a participant in it. i think that's the prevailing view of most people that that's the appropriate way to approach it. and from what i understand the moderators that have been chosen probably see it the same. the next, terry, on with governor. caller: good morning. my question this morning is going to be on our first
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amendment rights. now that you're the president of perdue, i've i've got a question i think to change the election. we all know that paul kaepernick had his right to first amendment. he has that right. andrews air 2012, force base. hillary clinton looked a gold star mother, patricia smith, in the eyes and told her not that she was going after the terrorists that killed her son, but she was going after a film aker, a u.s. citizen on u.s. soil. does she have the right to be 39? host: go ahead. guest: -- president? u host: go ahead. guest: i'm not here and never do advocate for either side in an election so i can't give you a direct answer to the question you asked.
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i appreciate your mentioning that, hour, the first amendment, which i think has come up in various contexts recently in a way that i hope is positive long term. people in america need to be reminded how precious that right is. i will tell you on behalf of perdue university that we have an absolutely pro first amendment set of policies in place. we found a couple that might -- imited or to some extent hamplered the free expression or the free exchange of ideas on our campus and we fixed them. we have the highest rating of the public interest group watchdog of rights. i think on that front you have identified a really important question. we do not want to raise a generation of young people in this country who think it's appropriate in any way to silent those or senser those with whom they disagree.
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and there have been far too many people doing that, setting bad examples. and at least on our campus. and i hope a growing number of others, we'll be trying to give a very different -- provide a very different outlook and set rules. host: former president of north american operations for eli lily as well as previous directer for the office of management and budget here in washington. next zack from ohio on our independent line. caller: good morning. i want to say you have my fair share of criticisms of the debate structure in this country and the commission. i do believe i understand and agree with the 15% role with the first past the post.
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if you have -- we do live in a two-party system, you run the risk of putting too many people out there and having what's essentially a president that could be elected with less than 50% of the vote and we talk about a divided country. i'm not sure that would be in the best interest of moving our society forward. that being said, i am curious with the debate and with that the way everything is set up. we don't go strictly by popular vote in this country. e go by the electoral college. i believe the politics that get together in december after the voting takes place. do you see possibly, regardless of what candidate wins on election night, a december surprise? host: ok. guest: that's an interesting
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question. i don't foresee that at all given the way in which eelect rats are chosen. i'm not an expert but i believe i'm correct that many states have statutes which would punish a so-called faithless electorate. that is if a state voted for candidate today and that candidate showed up at the college and voted differently, there would be a sanctions for that. the constitutionality of those stat tuths has been questioned but as far as i know never challenged in any court. so i wouldn't expect that to happen. but very interesting question and you are quite right it's theoretically possible. the system as it was set up didn't contemplate the party system that emerged in the early decades of this country. and the idea was to elect people who would go in and bring their own judgment to
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bear on the selection of the president. that didn't last very long because parties formed rather early and we got more or less the mechanical process we have today. host: governor, in june george will wrote an point piece in the "washington post" comparing a commencement speech you gave at perdue to a speech president obama gave at howard university. in the president's speech he said among other things, yes, you've worked hard bufe also been lucky, to the graduates. mr. will noted that while you weren't responding to president obama you could have been when you told graduates, i hope you tune out anyone who from this day on tries to tell you that your achievements are not your own.
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would you consider running for the white house? guest: no. i tell everybody on our campus at this stage of life there's no way i'm taking the demotion. i like being -- i like the opportunity that came along. i love the students, the faculty, and the mission of perdue university. in that speech i wasn't speaking -- i wasn't responding to anybody except to a general trend which i think i used the word pernicious in the speech. to suggest to americans that life is more or less a lottery that you are just a victim of
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events or perhaps a predators or sweeping trends beyond your control. that's a formula for societal failure. and it's a terrible disservice, i think, to particularly young people. the young people i was addressing that day worked hard. perdue is a serious school. our students study hard and they are prepared for life when they graduate. i was saying sure luck can intervene but over the long course of a lifetime, making the wise choices, and choices about preventive health, getting married and staying that way, working hard, at whatever you do, dramatically improves the chances of a successful and happy and prosperous life. and there are people with their own agendas who want americans to believe otherwise. and the agenda always is that you need me to take care of you. one, i think that demeans the
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dignity, the individual human dignity of the person being addressed that way and secondly if we all come to that conclusion we will not be a successful society as we've always been. host: i know you're not speaking on behalf of the commission, but you yourself can you tell us are you voting for donald trump? guest: i won't tell you how i plan to vote. that's my privilege as an american. i think i will exercise it today. not just because of the sacred nature of the secret ballot but also because my responsibility working at a public university i've taken no active part in partisan politics since the day that was announced, and i still have six months left in my previous service back in 2012. host: up next, jeff from new jersey.
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how : i like to know jerry mannedering would affect the congress if hillary clinton was elected. guest: i think jerry mandering has already affected the congress in a very visible and not a useful, not a helpful way practiced by both parties. it has led to a situation in which the vast majority of seats in the u.s. house of representatives are not very competitive. in which one party or the other is almost sure to win. and what that leads to is a political competition in which what counts is who can win a primary, because once nominated the candidate is going to cruise to election. therefore, candidates on the
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democratic left or republican right tend to compete for the edges, for the more motivated sometimes extreme partisans on their side. and you get a situation that is polarized in the congress as it is in too much of the body politic as a whole. so i think you're identifying a serious issue in our state -- n our country that has ramifications beyond the partisan balance that it produces in elections. host: as you alluded to earlier, you are also cochair of the committee for responsible federal government. and in that role you recently wrote in the editorial piece in the "wall street journal" where you talk about washington's wakeup call.
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can you talk more about that? guest: i will. and a word like immoral should not be used casually. i think sometimes it is these days. i try not to. but i do think it applies in this case and the passage you read explains why. it's really important to say i don't blame the american people for this. they have been actively misled for generations about both the size of the problem and its nature. the fact that it originates and is being driven overwhelmingly by the so-called entitlement programs, which are on auto pilot in terms of their
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spending. no, i mean, here you would really hope -- and there's still hope, because after all the presidential campaign has seven weeks to run and the debates haven't started. you would really hope that a mature democracy, where self-governing people, can make judgments not about what is solely what is good for them right now today but what is good for their children and the future of their country. you would hope that we would have an active debate about this. we are deep in debt. and as everybody knows -- at least everybody in washington knows, we are on an eesclater to terrifying levels of debt and that will hurt us economically. it's hurting us now. when you spend way too much money on the mortgage there's not enough to invest in thing that is will make your family better up in the long run. but more than that. an -- believe risking
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undermining of faith in our democratic process, because a decade or more from now if nothing is done and the reckoning comes, it will be very severe. and the young people who find there's no safety net left for them, that they are stuck for an enormous bill for money that's been long gone spent on their elders by their elders will not think well. first of all, preceding generations but also the system that produced those decisions. so that committee you talked about the other two cochairs , both esteemed democrats lee on panetta and tim penny. this is very nonpartisan in endeavor but there's no issue in my opinion that threatens the future of our prosperity but also of our free institutions more than our
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current failure. host: it looks like we lost our feed. we'll take some more callers. matt from maryland. caller: good morning. i would first like to thank you for c-span. it's a real joy in the morning for me. i wanted -- i have a series of questions, a couple of them, for mr. daniels. host: why don't you tell them to me and we will see if we can get him back. caller: first, i'm 1951 boiler maker era grad. world war ii veteran. voter for perot. so you can see i've really popped around a little. what i would like to know is is number one what concessions
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were made by the commission to each of the candidates? number two, how did candy crowelly ever get through the commission to become one of the moderators? number three, would he comment on the difference in why the people dislikehillry and donald trump. i think it's because hillary is underhanded and a liar, and trump is just an outsider and gets a lot of very bad publicity. at any rate, that's about what i have to say. host: thank you for calling. up next, norma from miami. good morning. aller: good morning. i have a concern and sort of
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like a beef. because there are specific goals let's say by the two parties. one is the liberals, they want to enslave -- and i'm going to use that word very strongly -- the people by making them dependent on government. and people don't see that. i don't understand how that's not seen so clearly. the other side, the republican side, they want to -- i would say, free the people by letting hem make their own decisions in the way that they can have their own free trade, that they can have their own businesses, that they don't have to be enslaved by so many taxes. i have a problem with this.
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i get it. because i was thinking, well, how can people like in hollywood and everything, u how can they be for the liberals? how can they be so liberal? then i realized. because i'm sure that promises have been made to them that if they back up the liberal agenda things will be fine with them. host: ok. norma on our republican line. i'm just checking to see if we have the governor back yet. we do have the governor back. we're sorry for that little bit of delay there. but we've got a couple calls in the i want rim. -- interim. i promise i didn't hit the secret red button. we had a couple calls. can you address i believe you heard them. guest: i was able to hear everything. host: good.
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guest: to the previous gentleman, first i want to start by saying thank you for your service to our country. and as we say at perdue boiler up. we're proud of you. we appreciate your life, citizenship, and obviously your military service. i can't answer the question about ms. crowelly. i wasn't on the commission then. to be honest, i basically deferred to others on the choice of moderators. i trusted their jungment. they're closer to these folks. but as i said before, i think this year's selection has been well received, very well received from anything i've seen. norma puts her finger on a very real problem. i alluded to a corner of it a few minutes ago. there are people -- and i'm prepared to, i suppose, credit their sincerity. they really do believe that the
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government and the central government, the federal government, should be in charge of much more of american life than has been the case in the past. i think they in their hearts most of them at least believe that they produce a better life for people if they make decisions for them. if people became more dependent s many have on outlays and offerings provided by that government. but it's also very much the case that that serves their political ends and strengthance their own personal situation to do that. so but that's the sort of thing that these debates should bring to the fore. and hopefully we'll hear some discussion about where the proper boundaries ought to be on a federal government which has grown and grown and grown over the last couple of generations. and some think too far and some
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think it should be even bigger and more expensive than it is. let's hear it. host: back to the issue of spending. republicans are in control of congress. why haven't they been able to reinin spending? and what areas of the budget do you think need trimming the most? guest: the second question is very straightforward to answer. a shrinking and almost disappearing part of the federal goes to the so-called discretionary activity, which initially were the core of government. national about efense and about the f.b.i., the national parks, what we now call homeland security. these are all being squeezed out by two other cost centers. one is interest on the debt. it's down a little right now but only because interest rates
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have been jimied down rtificially to an unbelievable low level. that's not going to last. and the principal that's being paid is doubled in less than a decade. the other and bigger problem is the so-called entitlement programs. social security, medicare, medicaid. now, disability and others. which have exploded over the last years. and which now are consuming the big majority of the federal government spending. so you can't even approach the problem of the debt we're leaving to our children if you don't begin to adjust those programs. now, the good news is if we would just get started we can do that in a way that perfectly protects everyone who is accessing those programs today. certainly the retirement programs. we can make adjustments that don't take effect until years
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in the future. but when they take effect will mean that there's some safety net left for the young people in the next generations coming along. so that's the heart of the issue. and with regard to congress, no one can be absolved of responsibility for this. there have been some attempts in congress to get started and they have not come to agreement with the current president about those. and that's led to a stalemate. the simple son bowls commission people will still remember a few years ago was not only bipartisan in its comp sigs but initially was launched in a bipartisan way. but it's very sensible set of proposals never got airborne because again the president and the congress couldn't agree on them. host: up next, florida. democratic line.
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good morning. aller: good morning. an observation. there are people calling in asking you to lower the standards to put someone on the debate committee. those same people, if you gave the appearance of lowering the tandards at your university, people would villify you and be ready to haul you into court. so it comes down to a matter of whose ox is being gord. that's the way i'm seeing it. what do you think of that is? guest: well, thank you. that's an interesting analogy. i think we've explored it before. i do believe that the commission including folks who have spent a lot of time serving us all by putting these programs together over the past years thought long and hard
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about whether to maintain the same rule they've had and have decided in a very strong majority that's the best thing. and we have to respect that judgment. at perdue university we do have high standards. we're experiencing a huge surge in applications. we've frozen tuition at our school for the last -- we're in the fourth straight year and we'll do that for at least one more year. in fact, it's less expensive to go to perdue than a few years ago. that probably accounts -- we know that accounts for a lot of the i want rest in our school, but also we are a rigorous largely each engineering and science and math mattics. but in everything we teach including liberal arts, teach it to high standards. and we think that's working
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well for us. in other words, there are families urksstuents and their families that really want that kind of an education. and at an affordable price. they're coming to perdue to access it. host: next, stewart on our independent line. caller: i sure wish you were on the ballot this year. i'm a debate junky and i didn't miss any of the primary debates and i found most of them unsatisfying. one thing i would like to ask is wouldn't it be a help to the voters if there was an insistence that the candidates actually answer the questions? and if they attempt to filibuster or dodge, stop them, and insist on an answer. host: grove nor. guest: i think a lot of people have the same sense that you do. the primary debates -- and i'm not sure it's anyone's fault.
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but when there's that many candidates, each one i think was straining to pull off the perfect sound bite or zinger or something that might punch through the clutter, and that ten i felt led to people evading questions and trying to get off that snappy one-liner. yes, i do hope that the moderators will at least try to keep the candidates near the questions. this is different than the idea of fact checking or the moderater personally intervening to add new information or so forth. hopes for the debates to come are widely shared, and i certainly share them.
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host: anthony from nevada on our democrat yin line. i read an interesting article about the commission on presidential debate that came ut on the 17th of september. bernie sanders woke me up to this. i'm a democrat and i've always voted democrat but i pay attention to campaign contributions. i read an article that said everybody on the commission has donated to hillary clinton. host: we only have a few seconds. do you have a question? caller: the commission should be unbiased. if they're all donors to hillary clinton they're obviously not. guest: well, i would agree if that were correct. i certainly didn't make a donation. i don't to anybody.
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and that's true of a number of the other members i know. so there are people who on the commission who remain active on one side or the other, and then there are a number of us who aren't at all. so it's a mix. but it wouldn't be correct that everybody's given to hillary clinton or any of the other candidates. host: thank you so much for joining us this morning. guest: enjoyed. thank you. host: you can learn more about both the debates and the committee for responsible federal budget which governor daniels co-chairs. don't forget to tune in to the debate tomorrow night coverage beginning at 7:30 p.m.
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next we'll talk to the recteder of the center for race and discussing the recent police shootings and how race has factored in to this election. then political humor and campaign 2016. the editor in chief of the onion. as well as the chief writer. political humor and is a tire in their coverage of election 2016. tay tuned.
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host: joining us now live from austin, texas, the directer of the center of race and democracy at the university of texas. the life uthor of about soakly carmichael. thank you for joining us today. guest: thank you for having me. host: today we will be discussing the recent police shootings as well as the role of race in america. i want to start out a little bit talking about a story that you recently wrote for cnn
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saying that americans have become numb to the spectacle of tense lly -- of racially violence. what did you mean by that? guest: well, this was in the aftermath of what we've seen in tulsa and charlotte and just the plague of anti-black violence that we've seen over he last several years, whether it's sandra bland, that mir rice, trayvon martin. after a while what you're seeing is that -- i don't think the black community is numb to this violence but america at large has become numb to this violence because it's happening so frequently and since our political process is dysfunctional right now and our democracy is largely dysfunctional at the national level you're not seeing the kind of -- you're not seeing
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the kind of policy initiatives and the kind of political transformations that you saw in the 1960s aftermath mobilization against institutional racism. host: this year we have seen in charlotte as well as in other cities over the past several years major demonstrations over police shootings. we've seen the issue be addressed by the president multiple times as well as the candidates for president. is that an indication that the nation is numb? guest: well, i think we've seen -- i think we've seen some attention to it. but what we haven't seen -- if this happened to white people, if there was just a spate of killing that are videotaped and people are unarmed, i think we would see more action. even the president. i think that's why the movement is called black lives matter, to make an argument for
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something that has never been true in the context of american history. and this is something i think we all realize even young people and young children after a while realize that black lives don't matter in the context of american society. it doesn't mean that through social media we've seen a lot more attention being paid within certain sectors of american society because they're detached from corporate media. so social media, it goes beyond the force of state and gives you a different narrative of what's happening not just racial justice but economic oppression, issues of gender and sexuality that are tied up to this as well. but i do think that if this had happened to a different group of people in society we would have a much different response. so within the black community this is absolutely been catastrophic and even among allies of the black community
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and even now people are putting up signs black lives matter. there's been art that says a man was lynched yesterday goes back to the late 19th century. but it's not -- we've not mobilized as a nation to prevent this from happening. and it's primarily because of who it's happening to. host: we are speaking with that kneel joseph the directer of the center for race and democracy at the university of texas austin about recent police shootings as well as the issue of race in the presidential election. and race was a big issue in washington, d.c. this weekend with the grand opening of the smithsonian's national african american museum of history and culture yesterday the president
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spoke at that event. by knowing this other story we better understand ourselves and each other. t binds us together. it reaffirms that all of us are americans. that african american history is not somehow separate from our larger american story. it's not the underside of the american story. it is central to the american story. that our glory derives not just from our most obvious triumphs ut how we wrested triumph from tragedy. and how we've been able to remake ourselves. again and again and again.
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in accordance with our highest ideals. host: the president there talking about the other american story that the new museum tells. what do you think about what he the especially just stories that we're seeing about the police shootings? guest: i think it's complicated. i think the museum is extraordinary and i support the museum and i wrote the civil rights section for the book that just came out vis-a-vis the museum's -- the story it's telling to make our world anew. i think it shows you the -- we used to call this a contradiction or a paradox. the idea that there was slavery in the land of the free, the idea that you could have jim crow segregation in a country that's talking about the constitution, and individual liberties. and really now the idea that
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you can have an african american president at the age of obama but also have the age of ferguson and milwaukee and baltimore and charlotte. i think what we're seeing now is that it's not a contradiction. it's the way in which americans history and american democracy has unfolded. so i agree with what the president was saying that slavery or that the african american story is central and certainly racial slavery, jim crow, civil rights are central to the american narrative. but just because they're central and that we have a museum and that we have the king holiday, what we're seeing is that racial exploitation and institutional racism and the politics and practices of white supremacy can exist and even thrive side by side with the king holiday, a black president, black faces in higher places. so these are a contradiction or even paradox. they're part and parcel of how american democracy works in the
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united states. and i think that's very problematic. but i also think it's very eye opening. because i think 100 years ago if you would have asked different african american civil rights activists would we have a museum on the washington mall or a black president they would have said well if we have those things then we're not going to have the rates of black poverty, we're not going to have the rates of mass incarceration, of unemployment and black people suffering from mem and physical illnesses and racial segregation that we do have in 2016. so what we used to argue was a paradox is not a paradox. it's just the way in which american democracy functions based on the institutional racism, exploitation of african americans. but it also functions based on politics and practices of white supremacy that provides white
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identity and white privilege to those who are designated as white in the united states. and we're seeing that process play out in a very embarrassing and dangerous way in this national presidential election. host: directer of the center of race and democracy at the university -- guest: it's directer of the study. host: for the study of race and democracy. thank you for correcting me on that. i will get it right. directer of the center for the study of race and democracy at ut austin. we're going to our callers. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for having me.
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i would just like to say that this has beenen a problem with us for a long time when we talk about institution discrimination. surely there is a reality today. in order to address the problem of police brutality and killing of innocent people, period, especially black american, other minorities, we have to understand that the constitution of the united states works to try to ensure that people's rights are protected. but how do the prosecutors fail to prosecute? and when we really begin to allow and look at what's really going on because of institutional racism and people failing to prosecute when someone has done something wrong that to kill innocent people, then this is what parts of what is keeping alive. ere must be an educational
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campaign so that people would understand the severity of the problem. host: ok. guest: i think that's a great point in terms of educational campaign. i think that the shootings that we're seeing are the tip of the iceberg. so what we're seeing is the problem of mass incarceration called new jim crow is really connected to multiple institutions in american society. so the criminal justice system is primarily a gateway to racial and economic oppression in the united states. so it's connected to public schools that have zero tolerance policies that put five and six-year-old black girls and boys in hand cuffs all across the united states. it's connected to racial segregation in neighborhoods that is thriving in the united states. and racial segregation in poor
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public schools and low achieving public schools. it's connected to unemployment and poor social services. it's connected to environmental racism and the fact that blacks are disproportionately going to live in places that have toxic air and water. it's connected to food injustice and the fact that blacks don't have access to fresh food organic food in the united states. so when we think about the criminal justice system and the shooting and the murder of black women and men in the united states, it's really connected to larger processes of racial apartheid. and again, what's interesting for all of us and tragic is that this is 50 years after civil rights act and voting rights act black power period, the black panthers in 1966 said that the police in the united states were an occupying
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military force in african american communities, in largely segregated african american communities that we referred to as ghettos. 50 years later that's more true than ever, especially in poor segregated communities. host: charles ramsey, former philadelphia police commissioner also a veteran of the police force, is in washington as well as chicago wrote a piece in the "new york times." yesterday the charlotte police department released some video of the shooting of keith scott last week commissioner ramsey said that right now in his 17 years before his retirement this is the most challenging period that he has ever witnessed and people are angry. he writes.
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he's speaking about the transparency here. he said we need to focus on developing and national standard for how police videos are released and how prosecutors politicians and law enforcement work together in a consistent and fair way. no one can be seen to be hiding information or to try to cover up unflattering truth. do you think that this release of the video something that the folks in charlotte and other places around the country were calling for will be enough? will that be satisfying now in this case? guest: i don't think it's going to be satisfying but i think transparency is very, very important. but again, when we think about what's going on in charlotte, what's going on in charlotte and what's going on in tulsa and what's happened in milwaukee, what's happened in ferguson, it's about larger structural and systemic forces of racism and economic
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exploitation. and certainly the exploitation of black bodies. because one thing we have to remember is that these bodies are being monetized by being in prison, parole, and probation. the "new york times" had a story a few weeks ago about black women and how many of them are being put in jail in rural jails all across the united states. so even as federal prison population is ticking down, black women in jail is going up and increasing at rapid rates over the last decade, decade and-and-a-half because local municipalities are putting them in jail for just economic crimes, small little violations, 200, $300 misdemeanors. but money bail. they have to stay in there until they pay the bail. many of them can't. and this is providing more financial resources for local municipalities. ferguson was a great example.
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the justice department has a consent decree with ferguson to stop both police brutality against black people but also financially exploiting poor black people in ferguson to make up and recoup revenue in the city of ferguson, missouri. so black people, we have to understand what's going on in 2016. black people are being systemically, especially those who are poor, systemically segregated, racially exploited, brutalized but financially exploited as well. and the flip side to this is that white people in the country, especially the white working class, is angry, is outraged not at the exploitation of black people but they're angry and outraged that the kind of social economic access they had during eisenhower's america, which was largely based on the political and racial exploitation of black people and america's competitive advantage after the second world war has declined.
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so they're not concerned with racial injustice or economic injustice or police killings of black people. they're upset that the white privilege and white supremacy has declined to an extent for them and they want that restored, which is why we have for the first time in american history a modern presidential candidate in the modern era who is running as a white nationalist for the restoration and the redemption not just of the south but of the entire united states. this is catastrophic and we're witnessing this. our grandchildren and great grandchildren will talk about this not just as an embarrassment but as a betrayal of american democracy. host: up next, even lynn from massachusetts. caller: good morning. really we have to stand up for what is right. our young black boys are watching and listening.
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they will be affected knowing that their fathers brothers and their lives are worthless. thingless not change only unless we take responsibility to change it. so everybody has to lift our voices in the 21st century. we have to stand up with our -- we bring about change in this country. host: ok. guest: i think that's exactly right. i think if i hear the accent correctly that ev lynn is haitian and so am i proudly haitian and proudly black american. i think that we have to speak truth to power. and i'm so proud of the black lives matter activists who have been talking about structural racism, have been organizing nonviolently but have been also organizing unapoll jetically black lives matter has also released a policy agenda that i
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would recommend everybody to search on line that has over three dozen policy proposals including proposals about the criminal justice system of voting rights employment that are serious, that are sober, and that offer a much different and more equitable vision of american democracy. and social and economic justice of the 21st century. but i think you're exactly right. we have to be willing to speak truth to power. part of the reason why the american political system is broken is that so much of our democracy has been based on lies over the past few decades. we're lying about racial justice. we're lying about economic justice. we're lying about voting rights. and people recognize this because they are the victims of those lies. so people are trying to organize on behalf of justice but there's another group of people who are trying to organize and they're not organizing on behalf of justice, they're really
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outraged by their own social economic conditions. they think blacks and latinos and muslims are the enemy. they think gay people are somehow cursed by god. and that they want a restoration of the white supremacy of the 1950s. the 1950s were not a great time for many millions of americans, specially african americans. we're subject to harassment, police brutality. and institutional racism. host: let me ask about some of the messaging you wrote that you heard from candidates saying that secretary clinton for example called the shooting death of terrence crutch anywhere tulsa, oklahoma, unbearable and intolerable. meanwhile you said black america is frequently discussed as a cautionary tale or fever dream out of donald trump's
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imaginational land plagued by black on black crime, poverty, violence and social ills but yesterday donald trump seemed to take a different tone in remarks he made yesterday at a campaign stop in virginia. >> today the nation opens the smithsonian national museum of american history, african american. it's really a beautiful place. i saw it the other day going around washington and it looks beautiful and we're all very proud of it. we should congratulate and honor those involved with the project and recognize today the incredible contributions of the african american community to this nation. african americans have given so much to our nation and
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sacrificed so much for this nation. many african americans have succeeding so greatly in our country and it make sure their success is protected and u.s.ed. host: do you think that this is a better message talking about the contributions and successes of african americans? guest: well, i think it's a disingenuous message but certainly yes. it's a better message. i think the problem for trump is that his own history going back to his father who was a real estate magnet who actively promoted racial segregation, the "new york times" did a cover story on that recently and trump has been sued as well for his own properties banning black residents. i think it's just very, very disingin yuss because the reason why trump won the republican nomination is that he was able to galvenize millions of disaffected white voters many of them outside of central cities, outside of the
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metropolitan areas, many live in rural areas in nonmetropolitan areas. he was able to galvenize a group of white americans that richard nixon, ronald reagan but george wallace got almost 10 million votes in 1968 running as a segregationist former governor of alabama. he was able to galvenize them and say that what he is going after implicitly is a restoration of how things used to be. for african americans, for latinos, for women, those are the bad old days and he's promising to bring those back. the reason why he's trying to shift his message slightly is that he is trying to get so-called white moderates who feel uneasy about voting for an openly segregationist candidate in 2016. so there's something very disingenuous to what he is saying but race is at the core of his message and it's the
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racial den gration of african americans and latinos and other groups and it's really about the racial rehabilitation and racial supremacy of white americans. host: we are talking about the role of race in this election. directer of the center for study of race and democracy at the university u of texas, austin. up next lawrence from maryland on our independent line. caller: good morning. i think that for the last 400 plus years african americans have been the elephant in the room. there has been no other group in this country that had to endure over 400 years of being terrorized, 250 years of being enslaved, 100 years of jim grow. decades of bad policy and now what can be defined as the new
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jim crow. so again until america gets it right with black americans not everybody else, not latinos not asian americans, black americans, because we have always been nth the elephant in the room. in addition to that a part of the problem which goes unspoken is the attitude of recent immigrants. i've seen so many recent immigrants who are patronizing and disrespectful to the african american community. and what this means -- museum which went up just yesterday it's important for people to know that black america is anchored in history in a unique way. without the african american experience guest: i will try and complicate that. i think that black history is american history, but caribbean
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and recent immigrants are vitally important. haiti in came from 1965 but was very pro-black and and is storing and intellectuals. by the get immigrants from west africa or the caribbean, who at times, and i think this is more a minority than a majority, tried to stop and segregate for survival and they have a critique of the black american experience and sometimes the nation tells them that, to. institutions tell them they are not like like americans, they and herds, are educated, talked about when he first came to united states [indiscernible] so i would say that, yes, this black experience is exceptional and important, but it is intimately connected to africa and the caribbean and it is a
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pan african experience, so marcus garvey from jamaica is the leader of the largest movement across several continents, including the united we cannot discount fromontribution of linux the caribbean have made and blacks from africa have made in the united states but i agree that we should not somehow andrate those histories sometimes you have caribbean are west african elites have a condescending or patronizing attitude toward black americans. it is because they have not tapped into that history to understand both black american history and also their place in that history. host: up next on the republican nine, richard from broken arrow, oklahoma. you are on with dr. joseph. this in termsw on
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of police shootings and race in the u.s. system, which is the topic on the screen, is that young black males do not have very good reputations in this country, and the reason they do not is because people are afraid of them. intulsa -- appear guy wasin tulsa, the 400 pounds and i do not know why the policeman didn't have a partner or anything like that -- i had that in my mind, too -- but she is maybe 130 pounds and that is a mismatch. let's let dr. joseph respond. guest: i would say that these are the things -- racist excuses we always here, and i would tell my caller from broken arrow that if it was your son, you would be upset.
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you are not upset because it is not your son, and again, people -- you talk about black men not having a good reputation. black men have been criminalized andlynched and assaulted, so have black women in the united states historically. in the black community, or doesn't have a good reputation is white supremacy and white institutions, and white people who allow those institutions could destroy black lives in the name of democracy, so the criminalization of black people continues to happen. ofre is a combination blackness that goes back to the 19th century and after the civil war, and how institutions criminalize black men and women. there is a conflict system and there is a book of "slavery by another name,"'s only think of
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criminalization, it occurs in popular culture, politics, in our institution, so the fault does not lie with the black bodies that have been unfairly criminalized since before the inception of the united states. the fault lies with the structures that criminalize the politics that allow criminalization to actually kill ,lack babies, women, children ithers, mothers, and also, is callers like that who do not understand that. some of those callers go to andch and for came -- proclaim to be christians but they're hypocrites at and folks who do not care about humanity because black people are human beings, too, which is why the black lives matter movement is so vitally important to the future of american democracy. host: a lot of calls waiting to talk to peniel joseph. -- up next,vermont
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cusack from vermont. -- zach from vermont. caller: thank you very much for the opportunity to speak to your guest. i have a couple of questions and may be a statement for your guest. do yout question is think there is a systematic conspiracy against the african-american race, particularly the african-american male? we have gone over this time after time after time. this is happening every other month. you hear about it from police, , ferguson,ality missouri, trayvon martin, whoever, new york. it continues to happen, so it has got to be the cause. host: let's let peniel joseph respond trait is there a conspiracy happening? guest: i would not call it a
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conspiracy. i would say there is structural and systemic racism and exploitation, but i would say that that exploitation benefits a lot of different constituencies politically, economically, socially and culturally. one of the biggest beneficiaries is this idea of white supremacy. remember, when we say white supremacy, i am talking about a set of political and cultural beliefs that have basically undergirded and supported american democracy and ideas of american citizenship and politics and institutions, including universities and higher education. the university of texas in austin, they do not allow african-americans until the 1950's, so and we think about white supremacy, holidays is a set of practices that dehumanize those who cannot describe themselves as white. that is why there is something
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called passing and sometimes, people are still passing or black, the team know because they want the benefits and privileges that come with being white, so when we think about structural racism and systemic racism, it is connected and supports the politics and practices of white supremacy, so you do not need the conspiracy per se. all you are talking about our practices that exploit, dehumanize to make a group of people politically powerless, but also to scapegoat them and to use them as a bludgeoning for other groups. when we think about this election and the criminalization of black men and women, it helps when you're running for office, when you say, look, i will protect you from these people id here's what i will do -- will go millions of them in jail, segregate them and make sure they will not be in your
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communities because any time there in your communities, you, your children are going to be unsafe, so you do not need a conspiracy, you need the practice of cultural, political policy, racism, exploitation, dehumanization to carry that out. what is interesting about 2016 is even as that continues, you have a dynamic of exceptional african-americans, whether they are athletes, is this persons, movie actors, whether they are the president of the united states who are not exist side-by-side with institutional state, dehumanization and sanctioned violence against black people and that is the first time you have had that in american history and i think that made people confused. part of the confusion is that barack obama or oprah winfrey or michael jordan means racism is over and how come the others have not succeeded like that? it is not that racism is over.
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it is that racism and white supremacy have become so expanded and capacious that you can have a black president and anti-black races amend institutional violence and mass incarceration. that is the first time in american history. you can not have had barack , even though black people were being lynched in 1900 and 1950. host: you are talking about the change in policy and the different levels of that. lynch,y general loretta the first black female attorney general in our history, said of the recent police shootings that we hear you. federal she do on a level, in your opinion, to affect policy and local police departments? thet: she can do a lot and president can, too, with executive order. one of the things the attorney general can do is try to reorient billions of dollars in grants that go to state and rocal police, where thei
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state and local police are incentivized to arrest more children and in, could be redistributed to drug rehabilitation, mental health facilities, educational context and that is one of the things that the black lives matter policy agenda calls for. the biggest block grants that go to state and local police and something called the byrne grants, and people often asking the president to have the byrne grants redistributed in different ways since he became president, so there is a lot that the justice department can do at the federal level. they had done some of this but it is not in the resources and it is not the radical transformation that is necessary. right now, local police are incentivized to arrest as many black people as possible and
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that has to do with the fact that they are on grants that that they arece doing what they said they were going to do, which is to lock people up. host: i want to try and get to couple more calls. pennsylvaniag them on the independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead. caller: i would like to make a few points and try to express my experience growing up in america. host: we only have a few minutes. caller: first of all, i think more black guys in the inner cities would get jobs and it makes me sick to think that they are not getting those jobs. i grew up in the construction trades. inrew up with no father washington, d.c. eight kids, had nothing to look forward to. my father died and left $10 and an old car. that is all he had and i was the youngest. my mother had me at 41 years old.
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my big brothers men toward me and told me, you need to go to work, obey your mother, stay out of trouble. this man wants to talk about nothing but the past, nothing but -- he does not offer solutions. read about the black out of wedlock birthrate? what about no father's? only thing that guided me, my big brothers telling me to do right and my mother telling me the same thing. host: let's let peniel joseph addressed that. guest: i think dad is back to the behavioral, where you are trying to blame black people, saying it is the family structure. . think that is wrong i also do not think closing the borders and being anti-latino and anti-immigrant is what is going to bring back jobs to black working-class and poor people.
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he said he was in the building trade. historically, the building trades have been among the most racist of all in labor practices and labor unions. black people were prevented from having access to the building trade and other construction jobs. have not talking about the past. what is interesting is i never talk about legacies of slavery and legacies of racism. it is happening right now and we know it is happening empirically by looking at outcomes. the sad part, and this gentleman is indicative and presented it of that is white denial. in the 1960's, we said there was something called white guilt. there is no more white guilt. it is white denial and line about racism and the consequences. it is not about pulling yourself up from the bootstraps. what the white middle class and even white elites, who have narrative of how they were
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taking themselves up by the bootstraps, i am here to tell you that they are lying. the reason they are lying is that the new deal and world war ii and the g.i. bill gave white people unfair benefits, unearned benefits. nelson has a great book called "one affirmative-action was wiped," and black people did not hite," and wipe black people got subsidized noting and black gis did get access because of racism. red lining the federal government put a red line where black people lived in prevented them from having access to 30 year home mortgages. this is a catastrophe, and the only reason we do not talk about this in the united states is because we are constantly lying about her own history. this is contemporary. the racism is not a legacy of
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slavery. it is right now, 2016, right? it is happening here and now, and if we do not acknowledge this racism, it is going to continue into the 21st century, and this is the legacy we are giving to our grandkids and great-grandchildren. host: we will have to leave it there, peniel joseph, director of the center of the study of race and democracy at the university of texas austin. also, author of "stokely alive," thank you. up next, we are talking about political humor and satire with cole bolton, editor in chief of the "the onion," and writer chad nackers. we would talk about the 2016 presidential campaign, but first, "newsmakers" interviewed the friedman caucus chair, representative jim jordan, and it airs today at 6:00 a.m. and
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6:00 p.m. he talked about the freedom caucus and the role for the next congress. we started small, with nine and we are up to 40. i think we are going to be around for deep. we have a number of people retiring and leaving, but you folks coming in. around that number. our mission statement is simple. we think there are countless numbers of people who feel like this town is forgotten and our job is to remember. i think we make congress way too complicated. our job is to do them what we told them to do and having the right process in place gives us a better chance to do what we told the voters we were going to do when they gave us the privilege to serve. >> the focus on role changes puts -- focuses on how you have to put forward policies and you have yet to rack up a lot of wins. >> it is tough to win when you are a 40 member, but you could have an impact on blocking bad
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things, and we feel like we have been fairly successful in doing that. the most that we followed, and b, you need to bring people in, and we put together some policy initiatives before he left in july. we will continue to do that, but what we really have to focus on is the rules process that makes sense. >> do you consider your greatest wins to be the blocking and said that making affirmative policy? >> enacting the right kind of policy would be good for families, as well, but it is that tough to do whether you are a republican con -- conference, because you still have barack obama who has got the veto pen filibusters, soaked in and of itself, there are lots of things to do with tax policy and welfare reform and lots of
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things to do in getting rid of obamacare and putting in a family centered model of health care. do on you would like to border security and everything else, but when you have harry reid and barack obama, it is difficult. >> once more, we will have a government of, by and for the people. >> we are stronger together, and no matter what, remember this -- love trumps hate. 2016 coverage continues with the first presidential debate monday night, live from hofstra university in hempstead, new york. beginning at 7:30 p.m. eastern, a preview of the debate great at 8:30, the predebate briefing. at 1:00 p.m., live coverage, followed by viewer reaction parried the 2016 presidential debate on c-span. watch anytime on demand. www.c-span.org or listen live on the free c-span radio up.
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-- radio app. >> "washington journal" continues. host: joining us now, cole bolton, the editor in chief of "the onion," and the onion's head writer chad nackers. they are here to talk about political humor and satire and the role it plays in the 20 16th election. thank you. let's start with cole. "the onion tell us about what"the onion" is and how it -- tell us about what "the onion" is and how it started. guest: it started at the university of wisconsin as a campus humor newspaper and it became aofile and national profile in 1996 when it went online, and it gained a lot of followers after some big stories, like the covering of the 2001, september 11 attacks, and reuse ap style articles but they are satirical and meant to
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be funny and they will have an insight in those a bit of commentary about the world, whether politics are everyday stuff. host: chad, how do you decide what goes into an article and what the right tone is to strike when you're writing? guest: everything starts with the headline, so we select what we want to write alico off of that and the articles themselves reflected 10 of the headlines and if there is more aggressiveness to it, then people might be a little more aggressive. host: we are talking to cole bolton and chad nackers of "the onion" about satirical writing and the role of humor. republicans or democrats can call (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. an independents, (202)-748-8002 to talk to them. speaking of some of your articles and your headlines, we
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were just discussing the issue of a recent police shooting and last three after the shootings in tulsa and charlotte, there was a headline "black man was fully unaware, his name going to hashtagged by the end of the week." that heoes on to say -- would personally go on to be unaware thursday that his name would be a social media hashtag and the goes on to say -- remember at press time, the mercifully oblivious and heartbreak in the calling home and discussing with his family is what they wanted to do this weekend. that is but the piece of satire. we understand what it was but it didn't really make me laugh. what were you trying to
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accomplish with this? guest: not everything we do is meant to be locked out loud funny. to giveit is supposed insight about the world and sometimes, it can be gutwrenching, and i think in this case, we really like that headline and angle because it your attention to an issue that is in the public eye, but also, it was a good way to humanize the people who are affected by this awful sort of systemic police brutality, and i think too often, it just see shootings and maybe some people watch and thing, they did something or they may have had that coming, so they had to look back and say, these people had lives and they are normal like you and me, and we wanted to say that this person was just living their life and by the end of the week, awful things happen to them. it is not just for it is satire [indiscernible] as far as it just presses your heart to hear it, but hopefully
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it does have been site about the world. host: this is an election year and you have been writing a lot about the election. what do you think the role is, chad, of satire in elections in general and specifically this year? i think we cut through a lot of the noise and we just show the truth. that is a lot of times the goal, to capture something like, here is the truth about this and the media cannot always say these things as they will seem bias and we will say that things no one will say. host: one of the article headlines as "trump's prefrontal cortex admits it cannot possibly filter all impulsive comments," saying it is completely overwhelmed by the strenuous [indiscernible] and donald trump's prefrontal cortex admitted that it is unable to filter through the
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torrent of impulsive comments coming from the rest of the presidential candidate's brain. what is the process like when deciding what headlines to focus on, how to write about it and how to approach someone like a presidential candidate? is a lot to attack there. we all write our own headlines. between the staff and contributors, we have about 1000 1500 a week and we read them -- 15,000 a week, and we read them often only about 30 go online paris, so about 2% 50% that go through. it is quite rigorous. for something like the 20 16th saidion and donald trump something crazy and we had to have a comments on that and each individual writer will come up with their own headlines to tackle that in their own unique way and that we discuss which ones make the best comment and which ones have the most in terms of what kind of jokes, and
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so it is a satirical tactic we cannot control the sky and there is no possible way and it is flooding out of him and cannot do anything about it. host: have you ever gotten pushed back for many of the folks you have written about? actually,have not, although donald trump did threaten to sue as ones and we wrote an op-ed in his voice that we cannot take solace that i will be dead in 20 or 30 years. host: [laughter] ok. guest: he threatened to sue us for that but the house before he was a presidential candidate. host: ok but not since the campaign? no, both hillary clinton and bernie sander's campaign re-tweeted -- some of what we have britain
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did say it clinton was humorous, which i thought was funny and bernie sanders teachere which says a donated their hundred dollars to his campaign and they t weeted that one which is great. host: all right, we have sue from austin, texas. you are on with cole bolton and chad nackers. caller: i actually have been a fan of "the onion" for quite a while. i live in austin, texas, and we have access to it for the student paper. shops,d get it at coffee but over the years, i occasionally heard your articles reprinted or referred to as truth, and i wonder what you all .hink when that happens
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it would be an absurd story and read it and say, that that come from "the onion?" [laughter] will say, no, this is true. but the law think? guest: this caller: -- caller:what do you all think? guest: this happens every day and it is relatively understanding. maybe an intelligent people think that what we write is real we do notmost by, like it when people misinterpret that because we spend a lot of time with the jokes and we want people to understand that we are making a comment and if they read it as facts, they are not seen the kernel of truth that we are trying to shed light on, so we do not appreciate it when weular people assume what have written is for you. it is funny when something gets lost in translation like a foreign newspaper. there is an example a few years
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kim jong-un own named sexiest man alive in a chinese paper ran that as real and they put a 55 photo slideshow of him with it, which [indiscernible] but when it is normal people, we do not like that much when they take it does real. host: chad, are there challenges you have been writing about this election? guest: it is very challenging because you cannot use hyperbole's for donald trump because you cannot say anything crazier than he can say, and then with hillary clinton, she has been in the public eye for over 25 to 30 years, so people have these formed opinions, so she kind of has her own problems and she is difficult to deal with them we find raise to attack them and for trade donald trump as a service fad person who is kind of lonely and something we have seen from his life, but as far as -- that is the challenge this year.
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host: one headline you have is " blindfolded clinton invites date coaches to attack with talking points from all sides," timely, given the debate tomorrow. up andr fist raised placed in front of her in the middle of her campaign offices on stage, a blindfolded hillary clinton reportedly reported her high-level staffers to attack her from talking points on wednesday in preparation for next week's worst debate. let's do this! one do ought to come at me with anything you have got, and ghazi, keystone xl pipeline, everything, said clinton, so that to be demonstration playing on this idea of debate prep. of theit is sort inevitable march that her candidacy has had and her single-minded goal of getting the presidency and that she will
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do anything to get there, and i think this is a fun example of her training like someone who or been doing ninja something like that which was a fun, hyperbole on a personality. virginia, independently, bob, you are on with cole bolton and chad nackers from "the onion." caller: i have a question and follow-up after the answer, but my question is the gentleman who went down in charlotte, he had over 14 prior arrests and convictions, mostly felonies, so he really wanted to protect himself from the police, shouldn't he have had a bigger gun? guest: [laughter] wow. that is -- i guess -- i do not know.
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it is a little insensitive to the situation. that part does not seem all that funny to joke about. it is sad that these things are it is a terrible situation, really. grahamext, david tennessee, republican line. good morning. caller: [indiscernible] it is sort of a misnomer for me, if they makering their own up summation that republicans do not seem to retw eet the material as often as democrats? guest: i am not exactly sure why. i know that sort of like we were talking about hillary clinton, and we have a character where we heighten her ambition and what i would consider slight ruthlessness, and resort of heightened different aspects of the republican candidate
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characters, as well, and perhaps, they cannot laugh it and it is not a flattering portrayal as much as the other democratic candidates, like for particularly, we treated him like he was a master he wasunderworld and addressed like in cinderella, when she gets dressed by songbirds, we had him dressed by cockroaches, so they probably did not find that flattering and maybe they are just a little too and not see the humor beneath what we are trying to do. host: another example of the election coverage from the onion includes this piece on libertarian candidate gary johnson, who says he is worried tears peaking too early after hitting 9% in the polls. it says -- the former governor
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says, boy, this does not look good, it is way too soon for my numbers to be spiking like this, said the johnson, who said he could not maintain the skyhigh support from nearly one in 10 voters for the remaining seven weeks of the election season. been hoping to keep expectations realistic, but now what am i supposed to do?" after the stories are written, is there a setting process -- process for people to see if it is to match and something you really want to print? time: we spend a lot of discussing with the article should be and it goes through many stages and either it will be written on the edit them and we have a look at the, so we spend a lot of time doing due diligence before whatever is published. host: let's take a look at one more piece in talking about where exactly the lines are drawn. this is about nate silver, it
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says "dismembered nate silver found in dumpster behind gallup headquarters, calling the grisly crime scene deeply dissed -- deeply disturbing and metropolitan police confirmed wednesday that the dismembered body of political statistician nate silver had been found in the dumpster behind the dow up organization headquarters." a.m., aroximately 4:26 member of the building's cleaning staff discovered the torso and severed limbs of a man in his mid to late 30's, mixed in with hundreds of pages of blood and this era-soaked polling data," said mpd spokesperson, who added that his decapitated head, identified by his signature glasses, had also been found in the bowling bag discarded near the research institution. that is pretty severe. how do you decide where the line is and whether it goes too far? guest: i will say that sounds
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much worse on sunday at 9:30 then it did when we were writing it. host: [laughter] guest: we do not have an agenda against nate silver. it is more supposed to be using these movie tropes that you see in horror movies or crime movies and applying it to nate silver, who for some reason, our staff decided to make fun of. been blinded by the gods for looking too far into the future toward the election, and then we hadn't aged 50 years, when he was trying to test out the new polling projection model, so for whatever reason, we make fun of nate silver and we thought this gallup gets soe upset with nate silver that they .ave to offer him it is so clearly -- we do not have been agenda with them, but that is more of the show, and we do not think that one went too far, although, if nate silver is upset, i will offer an apology.
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host: [laughter] we are talking with the head writer and editor of "the onion ," the satirical website, and the role in the residential election. democrats can call (202)-748-8000. the -- republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. next up is summer from mississippi. caller: good morning. host: what is your question? caller: my question is, if donald trump gets into office, to beget a water break from picking cotton? host: all right. i think that was an attempt at satire so we will move on to n evin from florida on independent line. caller: good morning. you guys do a great service. i love c-span. the question i have for that editor and ride the, if you're
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thetoring or moderating upcoming debates, what question would you ask of the candidates? guest: that is great. it would be fun to moderate the debates. we have joked about that in the past. i think we would probably be very serious and ernest. it is not something i think to joke about in the moments. it seems like we probably have very pointed questions about what they plan to do. we would not be very funny and this debate format. the one thing we would do, which goes along with our egos, which is exposing truth, is to make sure the candidates are answering the questions and when they say things that are on substantive or on factual, which it does not always seem like it has been happening recently, which is to say that it would be a very unfunny debate and i'm sorry about that. host: chad, what would you like to add? guest: i think we would be angry
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while doing it, and i think we would just press them on things and say, you have said this multiple times and cannot deny this. i feel like this is something where the bar is set at a point when they can say one thing that ittotally crazy and then now is out there and we accept it, and i think it is kind of ridiculous that you should be called out for these horrible things. you think the candidates should spend time trying to be funny? we have seen both of them make appearances on saturday night live, they have been o late night comedy shows and we have seen hillary clinton between the ferns. to think it is important for them to do? is nice toink it remind people you are relatable person, but i do think there is an obligation for public figures to make sure that people are not just coming on and they are on
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there to promote something. whether it is hollywood guests to promote a movie or a political candidate to promote an ideology that could beat the ideology we have to live with for the next four years. as the gatekeeper on media, it is incumbent upon those entertainers to actually have talkkernel of substantive in there, and i think that would be helpful, but to answer your initial question, i think it is not absolutely necessary for them to go on comedy shows, but i do appreciate it personally to see that aspect as he that they can take a joke and be a little less serious than they are on the campaign trail. y fromup next, kat sunset, texas on the republican line. caller: yes, i do not really find in the humor in making fun of people's this to us. it is hard for me, but just like you say, you tell the truth.
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why don't you show the humor of hillary clinton taking donations for paid for [indiscernible] says she cares about black lives. she cares enough about black lives to take money to lock them up because we know very well that bad is a problem in the united states of america. host: website them respond. would you write about those sorts of things? guest: we do. we often pin hillary clinton on fromoney she accepts various sources that probably have their interest in mind. for example, when she was campaigning for the new york primary, which is "hillary takes her staff to: the wall financial institutions that she knows about," something like that, just showing she is taking them to hold in the wall hedge funds that donated so much money to the campaign, so it is something that we hit quite a bit as a
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special interest influence. on theext, from maine independent line. good morning, scott. caller: good morning. i was curious, i used to read "the onion," and i have not read it in a while, but have you ever done anything on contracts with the presidential candidates and to hold them accountable for all of the things they say and promise they will do? withxample, one of them mr. obama was everything i do, i am going to put online for america to read. they will have five days to go through it. for the last five years, he has done the tpp thing with corporations and then tried to run it down our throat. that may beontract can be signed to hold them accountable for all the things they say they will do? host: let's give them a chance.
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chad, is that one of the topics you have tackled and talk a little bit about how you decide what you write about. guest: there hasn't been a whole havef contracts that they said -- i mean, i think it is good if you will be held accountable to what you say. i guess what we decide to write about is what is the big issue that is facing the candidate right now? like when hillary had pneumonia, we were hitting that. we had one being terrified that after realizing what the clintons were or remembering what the clintons are capable of, so we do focus on that side that they can be ruthless and do anything to win. host: we hear about balance in the media and being unfair and biased, and when you are writing about a particular candidate, is that consideration as to what
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you have done as many republicans as democrats and how often you write about the third-party candidate and how do you handle that? guest: we try to be as balanced as possible without actually carrying too much, so if we have not done something on trump for a while, we have to do something, and vice versa, but we do not sit there -- we are not a news organization but we are an entertainment source, so i think it is more in my head and the staff writer's heads that we should always hit both sides. i will say that we had more fun with the republican primaries because there were a lot of colorful candidates and they had a lot of debates and debates is maybe too generous of the word, but there were not really debates but just a lot of shouting matches, so i think maybe we had a little bit more fun with republicans but there is always something on the democratic side. i particularly like when we hit democrats because i think people
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sometimes think racing too far one way, but i love bringing it back to hillary and obama, even, and over the years, we have done a lot of stuff on obama, inks that we do not like about his presidency, i cares drone his drone like program, so we try to keep a balance that we do not have a chart or anything that we have to do this exact number. one of my favorite headlines about the president was right after the election in 2008, where it said "world's worst job given to black man," from nebraska on the republican line. good morning. caller: i "the onion just want to tell you i have been reading "the onion" -- i just want to tell you i have been reading "the onion and cook for years and it is a great service. i like the part site we have the question of the day and you and the different responses from the different folks and you have those little pictures you put up. i think that is absolutely classic.
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le, keeping all your town to drivers together, you do a he ck of a job. chad, two people come up to you , --say, still russell crowe mr. russell crowe, can i have your autograph? guest: [laughter] i have had various. i used to be our jesus christ model. i have been with "the onion" since 1997. i got that a lot. host: [laughter] all right, next, james from baltimore on the democratic line. good morning. are you there? caller: hello? host: you are on with cole bolton and chad nackers of "the onion." caller: [indiscernible] hello? host: go ahead, james. caller: i am trying -- host: james, can you mute your
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television and listen to your phone? host: james, are you there? ok, well, you can call us back once you have muted that. next, helen from wisconsin on the democratic line. morning. caller: morning. that they do ay great job with all the joe biden articles. i am going to miss them once he is out of office. i think my favorite is when joe biden was looking for a look-alike . that made mecrack up c -- that made me crack host: up. host:are there other folks who are on their way out that you will miss writing about? biden is chad's baby.
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host: go ahead. guest: it will be hard losing biden. we have had a lot of fun with him. we haven't showing up at the inauguration with a ponytail, and there is this grin and twinkle in his eye. it is so different from him, but it is also not that far off. it is one here away from happening, so we have had a great time. it will be sad to lose obama. we had done a lot of fun things with him. john kerry into a character, who is potentially the most or human on the world. we turned them into a spy, on this -- almost like indiana jones at times. john kerry sits in the back of dark and cafe, waiting for a woman known only as dascha. i think we will miss those.
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[laughter] also, putin. host: that is great. yous not just articles that do. sometimes you do at a glance pieces, such as one recently -- "who is gary johnson?" listing some bullet points for people who may not know about him and marital status, independent, -- host: how do you decide how to tackle and in which way to tackle this campaign? guest: i guess it just depends on which issue you look at or which party. with gary johnson, i think there is a thing that for us personally, we're like, he seems like a pretty good thing and then there is another that seems
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horrible, so that is kind of how we view things. i think there is a lot of things with them a craddick and republican candidates saying, oof, these are both terrible and do not sound good. america is not happy with their choices right now, and that is another thing we hit, america for the nation because they made these choices. we have some responsibility for this. from oregon on the republican line. good morning. caller: i was wondering if there will be any more funny ride ends for people writing and -- write-ins? i noticed that harambe in some places -- [no audio] amy. up next, amy is calling them from sarasota, florida, on the republican line, good morning. caller: i am calling on the republican line, but i want to
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give you a pitch about donald trump because i had some vision of his head being like the wizard and then having like his him in front of him and telling them what to go and get, you know, how they told the line and all what to get, like the witch's brew, and then i pictured hillary pulling back the curtain and i do not know who would be in the booth -- hit and there, mussolini -- hitler, mussolini? host: what do you think? guest: that is an interesting idea. it is not exactly what we do, but you should do something with that. thank you for letting us know. about seven more weeks what are your plans in terms of covering the debate? we have three presidential debates, to vice president of the bates, how are you handle that? allt: we won't live tweet
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of them and we rd have some articles for monday and we want to have converts of coverage. it will be in interesting night, i would imagine. we would do the same thing for the vp debates and it will probably just be multiple coverage from now until election day. so look out for a lot of articles in "the onion." host: talk about covering the vice presidential candidates. chad, they are not as dynamic as the past, for example, sarah palin or joe biden, so how do you approach covering governor pence and tim kaine? guest: tim kaine is so delighted by the balloons during the democratic national convention that the kind of vision him as a toddler, so we have had him running around in pajamas and the hillary clinton campaign headquarters and riding on the
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campaign bus and have his face pressed against the windows, and pence is all the more challenging. i think he is open more for hard-hitting satire because he has some beliefs that are going to be encroaching on other people's rights, so that is something we hit and some people might think we treat tim kaine like he is a child, but they hit mike pence harder. it just seems like there are real issues to attack there. whenever anybody says something we think should be ridiculed, we will ridicule that. host: what about the debates themselves? there is all this about how much moderators should intervene -- a lot was written in 2012, to hit on how the campaign debates are carried out? guest: i do not know if we have anything written already, but we
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love to make fun of the moderators, especially from what i was talking about earlier, holding the candidates accountable or letting them get away with being insensitive. in a lot of instances, not even answering the questions, so if they continue to do that this that not can argue lower did that, and we will definitely write about them. next, george from florida on the independent line. good morning, george. caller: good morning. first, i want to say the satire is fantastic. i have been reading for 30 years. i do not want to age myself, but in fort myers, we are all semiretired anyway. come you no longer have [indiscernible] guest: that is a good question. i think there was a brief period where we had one and then for some reason, someone thought
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they would be better -- they will just go to the website on their phone, which is incorrect in retrospect it i think we want a an app again, so look or next year. host: has there been any coverage you have written or recently that you regret it running? the is the in on cutting-edge of this sometimes or that you got a lot of negative feedback from that you were not expecting? guest: we get negative feedback on everything. upset someg to segment of the population with everything we run. getting back to the first caller , some people may not see the humor underlying it and the example we give often is we wrote something about obese slam and struggling to some upstream and some people got upset that it was making fun of obesity and it was just a joke. another one is about not landing tricks since 1976 and the skateboarding community got mad, so we will always upset people, but as chad mentioned, we have a
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rigorous process to discuss this in our writers room and make sure the take of the jokers correct and the target is justified. if we stand behind it, everything that goes out, we do not really -- if we know it will cause a little before, but we are fine. from northxt, steve carolina, independent line. good morning. caller: hi, i just googled came up, isions this a way to add a recipe section team rising without -- recipehire anyone section to your magazine without having to hire anyone? guest: we will look into that. host: where did the name "the onion" come from? guest: there are a couple of stories. the one that is on wikipedia or
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that has been there for a long time is that the two original founders were so poor when they it, and they did not have any meat or cheese and they just put onions and someone like their uncle said you should name your newspaper after that, which makes no sense. that cannot possibly be true. that is one thing i heard. i actually do not know. guest: some people say it is like an old journalism term, there are a lot of players to a story -- layers to a story or something, and i also you like they would not have come up with that because it is just a crazy newspaper back then. ant: info honestly, we have election coming up and in terms of who it will be easier to write about, who at each of you prefer -- not necessarily for your voting for, but who would you prefer for your work to win the presidency? guest: sort of like we said, it
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is really hard to do donald trump, hard to keep up with that level of crazy. can you imagine four years of that? it is kind of mind-boggling, so i would say hillary for just the ease of our writing staff, being able to not be exhausted all the time. i would think hillary would be a better candidate. agree, just aof more traditional candidate, easier to write about and she has enough things that she can hit on and easier to attack. from texas.jean good morning. caller: good morning. i would love you guys to do something about trade in the global economy because imagine a debate with hillary and donald at the dollar store. guest: we are getting some great ideas from people out there. we actually have hit trade a number of times with hillary and
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tpp, but the dollar store thing is something we could look into. host: do you get ideas from readers like that? guest: yes, but they're usually not up to what we would consider our standard. host: ok, smithsonian's national museum of african american history and culture, and there -- ok, cole bolton, editor in chief of "the onion," and chad nackers, thank you. do not forget to watch tomorrow's debate, live coverage starting at 7:30 tomorrow on c-span, www.c-span.org and c-span radio. on tomorrow "washington journal," alan schroeder joins us, the author of "presidential debates: a risky business on the campaign trail," and to a talk about the history of presidential debates and carolyn
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lukensmeyere will be talking about tone and rhetoric in monday night's presidential debate. that is operative today's washington journal." join us back tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. have a great sunday. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] >> here on c-span, "newsmakers" is next with jim jordan ohio. that is followed by donald trump campaigning this weekend and virginia. fargo the ceo of wells testifies before congress about unauthorized accounts that were created by company employees without the consent of customers. customers.
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our cast this week's congressman jim jordan. the ohio republican chairs the house freedom caucus. his committees include government oversight and reform and the judiciary committee. rachel covers congress for politico. kelsey is a washington post congressional reporter. before we delve into questions we want to talk about charlotte. we areain this week tuned in watching an american city in crisis over the shooting of a black citizen by police. both the political candidates, major party candidates have made statements. is there a role for congress at this point? rep. jordan: any elected , certainly what i believe is

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