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at last week given editorial debate -- gubernatorial debate in montana. this is just under one hour. ♪ >> the montana gubernatorial governor steve bullock and his opponent greg gianforte. the event was sponsored by "the billings gazette" and yelling -- yellowstone public radio.
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i am the anger of a statewide morning show and it is my privilege to be the moderator. i'm not just you keep time, but to ensure that each candidate equal time. it is the quality of the discussion that matters. i think you can all agree. both candidates have spent time preparing for this debate, so it's only fair that we allow them to do what they came here to do. we ask this large and supportive crowd to be supported. however, we are here to hear from the candidate. we ask that you refrain from disruptive behavior were anything that might distract from the candidates. they have a limited amount of time to address the issues and questions presented to them, so we want some respectful civility. we ask that you hold your applause until the end of the
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debate. in order to maximize the amount of time each candidate has to answer the questions. it is time to meet our candidates. [applause] moderator: governor steve bullock was born and raised in montana. the governor says he is proud of his record of maintaining low unemployment in the state and says he continues working to protect and preserve our state public lands and strength your -- and streams. greg gianforte and his wife raise all four of their children in montana and started right now technologies, which grew to employees more than 500 people.
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he's a lifetime member of the nra and is endorsed by the nra, the gun owners of america, and the montana sports shooting association. welcome, candidates. [applause] moderator: each candidate will be asked a question from one of our panelists and will have 90 seconds to answer. once the candidate has completed his answer, the next candidate will answer the same question, there will be no rebuttals. each candidate will also have a 90 second opening statement. it is time to meet our panelists. tom moody, a reporter with "the billings gazette," jackie on the nokia, the news reporter on yellowstone public radio. greg -- a coin flip was done earlier this evening, greg gianforte won the coin toss and chose to go
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first with his opening statement. you.ianforte: thank . am greg gianforte i'm a businessman and a job creator, not a career politician. i am running for one reason, to create more high-wage jobs in montana so our kids don't have to leave. i am also running for emily and devon vincent, who live in coal strip, have a young family, and for all the families at home tonight who are wondering about where their jobs are going to come from in the future. unfortunately, today, we are 49th in the country in wages, and our kids are leaving, in large part because we have a failed administration in helena we have seen layoffs across the state, in columbia falls and elsewhere. we have seen two consecutive quarters of declining economy. coal strip is slated to be shut
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down, and our revenues have fallen off a cliff, and our surplus is gone. we have also had a lack of accountability in state government. the current governor deleted all of his e-mails when he was attorney general, and the department of commerce recently awarded a contract in a rigged process to an outsource firm in wisconsin, causing jobs to leave the state. moderator: your time is up. mr. gianforte: just to finish the thought, i am calling on the governor to ask for the resignation of the department of commerce. moderator: i am sorry. your time is up. gov. bullock: thank you for hosting this event. for those of you viewing this evening, thanks for choosing us over monday night football. every morning my wife and i drop our kids off at the same public schools we went to. it serves as a daily reminder to me as far as why what i do each
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and every day. montana was a gift for me growing up. i want to make sure the next generation has every opportunity and more than i did, and i think we are on the right cap. -- cap. more people are working in montana than ever before in our state's history. we are number one in the nation for new business startups. last week, we heard montana leads the nation in median household income. we have certainly taken some good steps, but tonight is about what montana is going to look like in the future. moderator: your time is up. he is timing on the sidelines. mr. gianforte: there was no timer when i started. moderator: that timer did not stop. we going by your clock? i apologize for that. was -- e i think it
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mr. gianforte: i think it was a minute. moderator: we will give you 30 more seconds to finish. we will get this down. i am sorry. gov. bullock: there are fundamental differences between my opponent and i. i don't want to be a state where a small group of people gets to make the rules to benefit them. at the end of the day, our streams and rivers and public lands ought to be for the benefit of all of us, not just who has the largest checkbook, and ultimately, a quality education shouldn't be just for the privilege. we have made great progress. tonight, i will be asking for your support for four more years to do so. moderator: thank you. my 32nd?orte: do i get moderator: i think you to go of your time. we have gotten the clock issue ready now. , tom moodyuestion
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will ask the first question of mr. gianforte. >> the gianforte family foundation has been $1.7 million on groups like the montana family foundation, focused on the family, groups that oppose abortion, gay marriage, as well as nondiscrimination ordinances in local communities. what would you tell montanans worried that their civil rights are at risk if you are elected? mr. gianforte: susan and i raised our four kids in bozeman. we've been incredibly blessed, and we have prospered in montana. i am a christian, and i believe my faith calls me to share the blessings i have received. that is why we have been generous with charities all over the state because we want to help and improve other people's lives, and that's the reason why i am running. montana does not have enough
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high wage jobs. we started a business in our home in bozeman, and it grew to be the largest commercial employer there. the message i would send to all montanans is, too many of our kids have had to leave, and my sole purpose for running is to create jobs so we can keep our kids back here in montana, and they can prosper. moderator: thank you. [applause] moderator: did that answer your question? >> no. maybe next time. moderator: another point of this, we have the discretion to ask follow-up questions to have the candidate clarify their answer. could you clarify that a little more, mr. gianforte? what would you tell montanans who are worried their civil and constitutional rights are at risk if you are elected? mr. gianforte: i sort of feel like it's an attack on our
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christianity and our core base. i would say our first amendment is every clear. it supports freedom of religion for all montanans, and i will support that right. moderator: the same question to you, governor. what would you tell montanans about their civil and constitutional rights if you are reelected? gov. bullock: montana is a state where we want every single individual to thrive. my opponent, when there was a nondescript nation ordinance in bozeman actually said businesses would be more likely to locate there if they can discriminate. this isn't just a values issue, this is an economic issue. my opponent helped fund the group in north carolina that passed house bill two. $5 million impact to the community of charlotte alone or
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just last week, the ncaa, acc both decided they are not coming to north carolina. from my perspective, this is not an attack on faith. this is a discussion of the values you bring to this office, and you can see the values that i hold and bring to this office because you have had eight years to see this. at the end of the day, we don't build a greater montana by tearing some people down. [applause] thank you. the next question is from jackie. >> should students and faculty be allowed to carry firearms on montana university system campuses? should public school teachers be able to carry firearms in their classrooms? gov. bullock: in montana, we use our guns for both protection and for our public lands. if my opponent was being honest, in my eight years in public service, our second amendment
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rights have actually expanded in montana. as attorney general, i brought montana to the united states supreme court in that decision that recognized our second amendment as an individual right. the nra called me courageous. i have worked with the legislature to make sure you can protect your home and your property by passing the castle doctrine. if you are a concealed weapon permit holder, i've streamlined the process and pass legislation to make sure your identity is protected. but i have never abandoned common sense. with local law enforcement officers who protect our communities, they come to me and say, a proposal law on my desk might end up causing concerns for them, their safety and their community, i listen.
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i'm always going to use common sense, but by the same token, i'm not going to abandon our local law enforcement. that is not what montana needs. nobody's going to take your guns away. moderator: the same question for mr. gianforte. should students or faculty be allowed to carry firearms on university of montana campuses? mr. gianforte: i want to say clearly i am a strong defender of the second amendment. unfortunately, we are hearing rhetoric from a career politician who is no friend of gun owners. i have been endorsed by the nra. i've been endorsed by the gun owners of america, and i've been endorsed by the montana shooting sports association. six gunent vetoed rights bills in the last two sessions. the second amendment is very
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clear, it's is our right to bear arms shall not be infringed. i would defend the constitution. [applause] moderator: the next question is from greg lamonte. >> when it comes to asking for the trust of voters, you want to be the leader of our state, you want to travel representing our estate, and you would agree you are representing a state where there is a strong sense of family values, a deep sense of morality. having said that, and knowing this is an issue that has made its way to national politics, have you ever been involved in a n extramarital affair? mr. gianforte: i have not. susan and i have been married 28 years. we've raised our four children in bozeman, and those
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relationships are precious. it's for the families all over montana that i am running. i think family is the bedrock of our society. this is why we unabashedly support family. ur kids, and i am working in large part so we can put families back together. this is why i promoted telecommuting as a way of bringing families to montana and bring our kids back together. many communities, when i ask, how many of you have kids that no longer live in the state, often 70% to 80% of the hands go up. ultimately, we need a stronger economy. jobs and opportunity are only created there. that is my focus, put families back together. moderator: thank you. mr. bullock. gov. bullock: i have not. my wife lisa. the first met when we were in high school and just recently
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celebrated, fortunately i think we bumped into each other about years after high school. she went to central school, i was at saber great school. we just celebrated our 17th anniversary one week ago yesterday. we have a 14, 12 and almost 10-year-old child. moderator: thank you, governor. we will go back to tom moody. governor, -- >> governor, in appointing your first lieutenant governor john walsh to the u.s. senate in 2014, you said, i wanted to appoint someone who i believed would represent the values montanans hold important. as we all know, six months later, a plagiarism scandal
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ended his political career. it was the second time you vouched for walsh's character, the first time when you chose him as your potential replacement to run the state. what should this episode teach montanans about your judgment? gov. bullock: i certainly didn't know everything about that. john walsh had served our state and our nation well. i think many people in the audience as well of the two opponent have never had their humvee blown up by an ied. servicenly respect the look.the end of the day, from my perspective, the lieutenant governor can be an incredible part of a team. john walsh served both our state and our nation well.
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he continues to serve our nation well. i'm excited about mike kearney. he's doing a lot of work with me on the montana main street project where we've brought 250 businesses together to continue to advance his economy. we've been working on it on a regular basis. sure, 20,000 jobs created in the first four years. we know that there is more to do. most is said we are the going through state in the country. we know there is more to do. through the main street project, we are trying to focus on making sure all those employers have a pipeline of talent and trained workers along the way. moderator: thank you. , what could montanans expect from you as far as getting people were physicians?
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-- positions? mr. gianforte: leadership is critically important, and i think it is a sign of leadership to be able to pick leaders well. unfortunately, my opponent is on his third lieutenant governor. lieutenant governor walsh had to resign in disgrace over plagiarism, and then there was an issue with his second lieutenant governor where we haven't gotten a full explanation as to what happened. she was forced out. i think leadership is about accountability. as i mentioned in my opening remarks, we've recently had a commerce contract outsourced to a firm out of state and given to a family member. i think it is important we bring accountability and fiscal responsibility back to the state government. i am calling on the governor to call for the department of commerce's director's, because i think we need to bring accountability back governor, balancing the budget is your
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job. it is a constitutional requirement. it is not a miraculous achievement. you've increased spending at the state level by almost $800 million, and our surplus is gone. i think fiscal responsibility and leadership are critically important in montana. [applause] moderator: thank you. the next question from jackie. >> if the montana legislature sent you a bill to allow the citizens of a montana committee -- community to vote on a local option sales tax or expanding the existing resorts tax, what action would you take? mr. gianforte: -- learned,e things i've i have driven over 50,000 miles all of the state, and i have
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in peoplessat kitchens. i have learned the way we find local governments is not working. that is why i am thrilled that leslie robinson is joining me on my ticket as lieutenant governor. she is a fourth-generation montanan and a county commissioner and phillips county. we need infrastructure. i don't think you tax your way to prosperity. too much local tax has gone to helena and have not come out. it's almost like we have a bubble, and we need to work to find ways to help fund the local municipalities through infrastructure funding and other mechanisms. i don't think you get there with more taxes. [applause] >> so is that a veto? mr. gianforte: i would have to see the bill. i'm generally opposed to new taxes. moderator: thank you. governor? hopefully we will
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get to some of the statements my opponent made in his last question, but if you want to talk about outsourcing, "forbes" said his company took outsourcing to a new level. in his own report to the investors, he said, one of the biggest drivers of the business was outsourcing. indeed, his cfo says he outsourced 700 jobs to other states, armenia and india. i'm more than happy to talk about those contracts. a question about a local option sales tax. i've been consistent throughout my career that i am against a general state sales tax, period, and that won't happen on my watch. i recognize that in the last legislative session, the billings chamber of commerce, that was their number one priority, could they get a local option sales tax and allow the citizens of billings to put a vote on that?
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i consistently in my legislative session said, i want to see a bill actually get to my desk, go through the process before i'm going to say, i'm going to veto it or sign appeared that one did not get out of the committee. i think they have a lot of work to do before that is even a discussion. i think a good piece of it is ultimately it would be the individuals who decided it, not necessarily the legislature. moderator: thank you very much. [applause] question. the next >> why should your opponent not be elected? [laughter] gov. bullock: ultimately, that is up to voters. we offer a fundamentally different you. montana was named the most
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fiscally prudent stay in the country. that is not me talking, that is jpmorgan. we would end up with no rainy day fund because not even basic infrastructure, education or other things to be paid for. i believe we should be an inclusive state. my opponent has said businesses would be more likely to locate here if they could discriminate. we have a fundamental difference in values when it comes to our american indians. almost 10% of our population. you don't build montana up by leaving our first montanans behind. we have fundamentally different views on what the role of government can be. i believe government can work with the private sector and create real opportunities. i guess i'm not sure what he thinks the role of government ought to be, as he's running to the states chief executive. i think there are some real differences across the board. but it is up to the voters. i am pleased with the things
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we have been able to get done. i am pleased we've made record investments in education and seen the results i am pleased we are the number one state in the country when it comes to new business. [applause] moderator: the same question for you. mr. gianforte: this is what you get from a career politician. [booing] this is my first time in politics. i've always been a businessperson. i spent my whole career creating jobs in montana. to hear somebody terror that iwn, it hurts a little bit will say, we have created that are outcomes and i'm proud of that record there is a big difference -- one thing i agree with the governor on, there is a
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big difference in our outlook your -- outlook. i believe jobs and opportunity are created in the private sector, not by government, and what we need to do is make it easier for individual businesses to start and grow here. unfortunately today, as i've traveled the state, i have heard from small businesses. they are covered up in regulations. my opponent has vetoed a number of tax reduction bills that would've put money in people's pockets. our state government has adopted a culture of enforcement rather than customer service. i have been very clear, when i am elected, i will appoint agency heads that have walked in the shoes of the people they are trying to serve and bring a culture of customer service back. there is no reason why with our rich natural resources and work ethic that we are 49th in the country in wages except that we don't have the right leadership. moderator: thank you. [applause]
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moderator: tom. >> mr. gianforte:, you proposed eliminating business increment taxes, which of been crucial to counties like this one where the taxes make up 1/6 of property tax revenue. schools statewide, which rely on these taxes, would take a multimillion dollar hit. how are you going to keep local governments and schools from being burned by your plan? mr. gianforte: thank you for the question. i rolled out my tax plan in april, and it's a plan that will get businesses going. business equipment tax today represents less than 2% of state revenue. my plan is called for six. it is simple. the 4 stands for illuminating the business equipment tax in four years. the most regressive tax we have. there's a small business in livingston that made an investment in a new piece of equipment, and that investment
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-- created 20s in jobs. their present from the state was a $300,000 business equipment tax bill over 10 years. that individual said they would never buy a piece of equipment like that here in the state. how do we pay for it? we pay for it by slowing the growth of government. the zero calls for zero growth in state government and no sales tax beard -- tax. 20% growth in the last three years alone, over $800 million expansion in state government -- if we slow the growth, we can put this money in people's pockets. six calls for bringing the top tax bracket down from 6.9 percent, increasing the deduction for low income families. it is fiscally responsible, and we will balance the budget doing
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it. [applause] gov. bullock: the tax foundation says we have this six the best overall business tax clement in the nation. i worked with democrats and republicans and we eliminated the business equipment tax for two thirds of the company that pay it and gave a cut to all of them. if his plan came through, yellowstone county would lose $24 million. those are the dollars that go to your fire departments, schools. that is what the business equipment taxes paying for. nine of the 10 companies that paid that equipment tax are out-of-state. that covers almost 50% of the overall business equipment tax collected. we have made real progress along the way, but i don't want to be new jersey, eight credit downgradings in three years. i don't want to be kansas when they ran out of state revenues
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and had to literally shut their school district down early because they ran out of funding. jpmorgan says we are the most fiscally prudent state in the country. we have been recognized as the fairest tax system in the country. at the end of the day, you don't build our state up by giving tax breaks to out-of-state corporations and millionaires. [applause] the next question from jackie for governor bullock. >> what is your position on al taxmoney from the col trust fund to specifically help strip deals of coal with the decline of coal and coal-fired power plants? coal is ank: important part of man tanner -- montana.
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it has been and we need to make sure that it continues to be. more coal was mined in the first three years of my administration than on average in the past 30 on average each time. when the clean power plan came out, as my opponent knows, i said, not only was that unfair to montana but we ought to sue, and that suit is going to the supreme court. what we can't do also is just d.c. at washington, i brought people together, and two weeks ago, i brought together coal companies, ceos, the mayor in coal strip, workers, representatives to say, let's make sure coal is part of our energy future. we have 28% of the nation's reserves. we do have to find ways to make sure that community stays strong. whether we raid the coal severance tax trust, i don't think that's a good idea, but finding the funding streams to work that out, and i've worked with economic development folks
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lately in saying let's put together a plan to make sure those communities and the individuals in them know that they are going to have a great future. [applause] , whattor: mr. gianforte is your position on using the coal severance tax trust? mr. gianforte: i have been out to coal strip five times in the last year. i stand with coal strip. this is a group that is fighting for their livelihoods, and although the governor seems to have changed his recollection, he was nowhere when the attorney general tim foxe filed suit against the clean power plan. these outrageous regulations coming out of the epa are really threatening our national -- natural resources. i do think we ought to be using some of the coal trust fund to
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fund infrastructure. this is another area where the governor and i differ. sometimes we differ and sometimes we're on the same page because he keeps flip-flopping. the governor campaigned on infrastructure in 2012 and vetoed infrastructure funding in 2015 and vetoed it again. he has pulled out of the trash can and it is his idea. the bill from senator ripley that would use some of the coal trust fund for infrastructure i am supportive of, and i would back that. [applause] moderator: the next question is for mr. gianforte. >> it seems like coal strip is the elephant in the room. all the people in this room, adults, can pretty much see the handwriting on the wall when it comes to coal strip.
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for the purpose of this question, i want you to view me as a 10-year-old from coal strip who sits at the dinner table and here's mom and pop talking about the future is not looking so good to -- so good. the 10-year-old looks you in the eye and says, under your leadership, to a have a future in coal strip? mr. gianforte: yes. we can apply new technology to burn coal cleanly. as governor, i would fight to push back on the federal overreach that is threatening coal strip and i would also work -- unfortunately, we have had decisions made by out-of-state firms. i would be working to bring that ownership back into the state so we can have that long-term, low-cost power in coal strip. the other thing i would say to that young person is that the american dream is still alive
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and well. i go into a lot of high schools and college classrooms, and unfortunately, our young people today are staring at a hill, and they don't know how to get to the top of it. i was in butte a little while back, and i asked the students, how many of you -- i talked about, don't let anybody ever tell you anything is impossible, and you can prosper in montana. you should've seen them come alive. say, could you tell me how to prosper? because it was not something they had heard before. i want to deliver that message of hope to that 10-year-old. [applause] gov. bullock: i would say to that 10-year-old, yeah, you do have a future in montana and
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coal strip. 28% of our country's coal reserves are right here in montana. i would say to him that long-term, we know that coal and other fossil fuels will be part of our energy future, and that is what that meeting was about to go. the u.s. department of energy met with coal companies ceos saying, we know there have been more technological changes in that kid's lifetime in a cell phone than in how we generate power. why do i have to go up to canada to see a project where what they do is capture the co2 and use it for enhanced oil recovery? we have enhanced oil recovery, but we ship it up a from wyoming. there are incredible opportunities in this state. just like people were saying when i was a 10-year-old, that there would be incredible opportunities in the state. but how we do it is we bring people together to find the
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solutions. we know there are long-term pieces, and we look at what all of our energy potential is. i put out an energy blueprint that said, look at all the possibilities, wind, solar, others. i've been working on a plan to bring people together. my opponent does not have a plan. [applause] the next question is from tom. >> i've been following the numbers released this month. university montana expects to lose 25% of its students in six years, ranking among the steepest decline of any public research university in the country. the campus has fewer students today than it did when its current students were born. the community has lost 200 jobs as a result, and this decline has been overseen by a board that you appoint. what grade would you give the handling of the montana
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university system's enrollment? gov. bullock: there are some great things happening in our university system, and if you look at 46 states since the recession, we've been investing less in higher education on average. montana is one of four across the country who have increased our investments. we have frozen college tuition at missoula, bozeman, making sure we don't raise taxes on families paying that. we have instituted performance funding to say, we have metrics and objectives we want to see met. think about what has happened in other states. the model to give tax cuts to out-of-state corporations. if you look from the recession to today, arizona has cut 50% of its state aid to higher education. that is not where we want to be. in louisiana, they have cut
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almost 40%. the way we can make sure we continue to have great job creation is to have a great university system all throughout. when it comes to enrollment declines, certainly, it is frustrating to missoula. it is frustrating to others. i wouldn't say that it is a failure of the board of regents. i think it is something we have to pay attention to, but the university of montana oversees all of our university units. two and four-year colleges are so important for the economic drivers of the state. [applause] mr. gianforte, what grade do you give their handling of the montana university systems enrollment situation? mr. gianforte: i think better is always possible. i've spent a lot of energy on
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education. this is why i rolled out my education plan back in may to help start to connect more closely educational pursuits with job outcomes it's the reason why i put up the website learn2earnmt.com. this clearly lists of the degrees that are available at u of montana and other campuses. the probability you will get a job in the state when you graduate and the average starting weights. i think this is a helpful tool to help parents make decisions about what is typically the largest single investment they make in rearing their children. it's also the reason why i believe computers are here to stay, and we ought to be getting computer science to all the high schools. it's the reason we started code
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montana, and i would push to put computer science in every high school in the state to better prepare young people for the jobs of the future. finally, i also think we need more focus on trades education. our construction, manufacturing needs skilled labor, and not everybody needs a four-year degree to succeed. that is why we started a scholarship program for veterans. [applause] moderator: jackie has the next question. >> the health care bill known as the help act, which included and -- a medicaid expansion sunset on juneo 30, 2019. what is your evaluation of the program and should be continued? mr. gianforte: health care is one of the top four issues to come up when i have traveled across the state. i think we need additional study on the plan to decide what we do going forward.
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it is essential that we preserve quality health care for montanans, we preserve rural access, but we must get costs down. that is where my concern focuses. we have seen massive increases in rates on the exchanges. this affordable care act is not affordable, and every time we add a new regulation or add a new tax, or the cost of health care goes up, this is another brick in the backpack of every small business owner. my focus is going to be maintaining quality, rural access, and bringing costs down. this is why i formed a committee. i have been meeting with our critical care access hospitals and our larger hospitals around the state. we need to bring more pricing transparency to health care. we need to have more consumer incentives, and right here in billings, st. vincent's
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octor on demand. i think technology is part of the solution to bring these costs down. [applause] gov. bullock: the last legislative session, democrats, republicans, local chambers, the state chamber, the medical association, and others came together to bring our taxpayer dollars home and pass a made in montana solution, which was the help act. i think the only group that was regularly working against that act, and working to get many republicans, was one of the groups that my opponent funds, americans for prosperity. 50,000 montanans now have health care across the state as a result of the health act, and i have heard from both sides eared -- side. i have heard from individuals who said, now that i've gotten
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that operation, i can continue to work, or literally, my life was saved as result, and i have also heard from critical access hospitals who have said, we used to take everybody, they would come in to the most expensive place, the emergency room, and we would have to take care of them. now they are getting cared for, and our bottom lines are improving. we can do innovation, and we had been working on it. we've brought both the public sector and private sector together to address these things. we need to stop paying for repeated tests and pay for outcomes. montana is one of 14 states where we are starting to make the transition. we are a state of 147,000 square miles. we have to make sure to get psychiatric help across the state. we are working on that, as well, and recently proposed a plan for price transparency. there is more we can do, and we will do it by bringing folks together. [applause] moderator: thank you.
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greg, your question. it, the phsrstand accounts for a big part of montana's expenditure. i also understand there is a good amount of waste by various entities within it that are , for the same communications and morale. under your leadership, are you going to do anything? look, theck: department of public health and him and services, there were not a lot of specifics in a question. i can think one of the challenges is how we take care of some of our most vulnerable children. even two years ago, the case management system was a dos
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system. address, that up in my singer has to be additional funding. i brought people together to protect the montana kids commission and say, let us address this. and let us take a closer look administratively, as well. they address our most honorable -- vulnerable populations across the state. i always try to figure out ways where we can go from department to department. we're talking about the health s thatt is not just dhh administers it. we're always working to create better opportunities that only for all of montana but for the vulnerable population that is your -- served.
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[applause] i think we have tremendous opportunity for improvement. , --first step is first to who, then what. they are not lead well. se have someone leading dhh that i don't think is qualified. withnk it would make sense domain expertise. i have met with individuals who have had children that have not been served well by child protective services. there are gross inefficiencies and it starts with new leadership at the agency and i will do that when i am elected. the governor said there were not a lot of civics, but there's some in the paper recently. hs have beendh
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fired because they blew whistles on fraud. that is not right. i would back up the state workers who identify room for employment -- improvement. the governor talks about this great bipartisan relationship he is brought together. that does not line up with the truth. he has vetoed more bills than any governor in a history of the state. i do not call that bipartisanship. [applause] moderator: our next russian is from tom. -- our next question is from tom beard >> you say you have a moral obligation to help refugee families apart by radical islamic terrorists. where is the obligation of which you seek help, because it sounds
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like you are proposing we do not do anything. mr. gianforte: i think as a nation we have always been a giving nation and we have served any places. the we have to recognize number one responsibility of the governor is to protect the health and safety of the citizens here in the state. we are at war with radical islamic terrorism. just this past weekend, we saw three attacks on our soil, a knifing in minnesota and two explosions in new york and new jersey. even obama's head of cia has said that radical islamic terrorists are using the refugee programs to infiltrate our country. 31 states have taken steps to refugees in their communities. i think we have an obligation to help, but is not include settling them here. [applause]
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moderator: governor. gov. bullock: as a governor and a father, and security -- safety and security of our communities is paramount. i don't say that in the abstract . not only did i deal with some of the most heinous rhymes as a long was an officer, but i had to deal with families whose children had been murdered. i understand these concerns. let me be clear, there will be no unfitted refugees -- unvetted refugees coming to montana. i'm not sure my opponent fully understands the role of governor. -- have to take responsible
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chris christie said, i'm going to get the state out of the refugee business. they spent money on refugee relocation. guess what, syrian refugees are still coming to new jersey. chris christie and law enforcement do not know where they are. that is not responsible leadership. [applause] moderator: jackie, your question. >> during the 2015 legislative session, numerous montana university system in public school officials testified about substandard electrical wiring, lingably roots -- crumb roofs, i could go on and on. are these buildings obsolete?
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we gathered and $10 million was dedicated to the science center at the university of billings. you cannot have saved a good communities if you do not have clean water, sewer, schools, roads, and businesses will not want to locate there. that is why i have a plan for infrastructure. not the one i vetoed. we brought democrats and government -- republicans together. it died on the last day of the legislature by one vote. where folks talked about making sure i don't get a win. this is not about when and losses. this is about our university systems. i do think the state has an
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obligation to fund some of it. it cannot be put all on the private sector if these are public universities. i have a plan to pick up where we left off and say, let's do a responsible mix of cash and bonding. vetoed that other plan, it would not have created any jobs. the idea of a trust, you don't have people talking about it. we're not talking about politics with basic structure. i think the proposal is an important piece. moderator: thank you. what is the responsibility for the state to support these buildings, mr. gianforte? mr. gianforte: it is a core responsibility of government to provide infrastructure. it has not gotten done under this current governor.
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he had an opportunity in the 13th and 15th sessions and it has not gotten done. families,out the particularly those on fixed incomes who are struggling to make monthly payments on water bills, and i think there has to be a priority on infrastructure. it starts with water, roads, and sewer. i have been out a lot in the last year, and it is like eastern montana has been forgotten. there's a lot more we can do here. part of the problem is that my -- let me say it this way, what we need to pay for infrastructure is a strong economy. i have spent my entire career creating jobs so that people can prosper. no matter what the good thing is we want, education, and percent
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infrastructure, health needd a strong ever structure, but we have made it extremely difficult for businesses to get started. that will be my focus. moderator: thank you. we come to the time of the evening where we have one final question. you to ask.s you will each have one minute. >> another one of those handwriting on the wall russians. as we look to the future of montana and we see the uncertain , the financial stability of the state is starting to look a little grim. remedy forealistic
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that loss of money? you ask exactly the right question. we need a strong economy to have a strong taxpayers. -- tax base. my opponent talked of what a fan of coal he is, but the exact to shut down coal strip have funded his campaign. we've also seen federal -- reach that is restricted he is not issued a new mining permit in over 20 years. we could responsibly develop natural resources. agriculture is a number one industry. we need to do more with value-added. we started the whole technology revolution in the state and we over 300there are
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high-tech jobs created. moderator: thank you. governor. briefly onk: just the contributions. i received contributions from over 7000 montanans and i received contributions from: how company ceos.oal continuing to bet against montana. we are the fifth fastest growing gdp in the nation. fourth euro for the most is the start of -- startups. we have incredible growth in many sectors and we continue to build upon it by investing in public education, a great equalizer, nothing my opponent calls a monopoly and groups he works with call it immoral.
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we continue to do work with our colleges make sure pipeline of talent and train workers are available for any employer who wants to come here. there are great opportunities here in montana and i'm pleased about that. [applause] moderator: thank you. that concludes our debate tonight i would like to thank both of our candidates for taking the time to join us this foring, and thank you watching the clock so closely. we want to thank our panel for your time in researching the questions. msu forwant to thank hosting the debate and thank you all of you for being here tonight and taking the time to learn about the candidate and the issues. " andhe "billings gazette wake of montana, i wish you all
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>> good evening and welcome to the 10 news tampa bay times, st. petersburg college, 13th annual congressional debate. >> i'm adam smith. tonight we have a debate from two of the brightest stars from the most important political area of the country. congressman david jolly, republican, and former governor charlie crist, democrat. >> the debate rules are as follows. when a candidate is asked a question, he will have 60 seconds to answer. the opposing candidate will then have 30 seconds to respond. answers will be timed. at the end of each segment, we will have a lightning round where the candidates will answer a series of questions with a few words or one sentence. >> was get right to it. charlie crist, we have a zika crisis in florida, particularly south florida. we have a case in piniella county.
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congress has been unwilling, unable, or inapt of doing anything so far. what would you do differently than david jolly to get some relief from washington? governor crist: it is a very important issue. i want to thank you and the tampa bay times. i want to thank channel 10 as well as st. petersburg college. it is a very serious issue, zika. you know, when you look at what's happening across the state of florida right now, you're right. we have cases right here in pinellas county and we don't see action out of congress and it is very disturbing to the people who may have already gotten zika. what we need to do is work together in congress to get something passed to do what's right. last week, my opponent took some mosquitoes in the floor of the house and then took a procedural vote not to support zika funding. i don't understand that. we have to do what's right for the people of the state. we have to get a vaccine. really, i believe, would be the true answer to cure this thing and move us forward. >> congressman jolly. mr. jolly: i appreciate charlie, you being honest. , not aa procedural vote
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substantive vote. thank you for that description. listen, i have led the effort in recent months to try to build a consensus around frankly a plan that's developed down in the senate between senator rubio and nelson who laid politics aside. i think we should do that on zika and not take hits on each other on this. this is a public health crisis. the president proposed a plan. it is not our job to simply rubber stamp it and so congress took a few weeks, a few months to review the plan. frankly, i asked hard questions of cdc and nih. why are we assuming a two-year crisis? justify the request. that's our article 1 responsibility. what that was met with my satisfaction, i started voting for the president's plan. i voted for the nelson-rubio plan. i voted for the house plan. i will vote for whatever it takes to get it done. yes, i will take mosquitoes to the house floor if that is what it takes. >> thank you for not bringing mosquitoes here. we appreciate that. [applause]
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>> congressman jolly, do you believe it's right for a woman who finds out she has zika in the early stages of pregnancy to abort? mr. jolly: i think that is her choice, but for the health of the mother or the health of the baby, or the life of the mother, i think there should be exceptions permitted to terminate the pregnancy, yes i do. >> governor? governor crist: i do, i think it is a woman's choice to make across-the-board as a relates to her health decisions. my opponent does not feel the same way in a respect that. he has that right. but he has advocated overturning roe vs. wade. both of us are lawyers. that's the case that says that a woman has the right to choose up until the third trimuster. i support that decision. my opponent does not. i think the voters of this district have a right to know where we stand on issues. mr. jolly: may i? >> yes, you may. this isy: mr. crist, why we can't believe what you
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say. [laughter] you were pro-choice and then you are pro-life and then pro-choice. you said you would support this abortion banned in the state of florida in 2009. it was only after you switch parties that you switch your position. this is not a matter of conviction for you. this is a political convenience. governor crist: may i? mr. jolly: no, i am not done. i believe life begins at conception. that's a tenant of my faith and i believe we need to create a culture that supports the unborn to the elderly and i will fight hard to do that. from pain capable abortions to partial birth abortions. this is a real matter. and so i appreciate you've had every position on this. that doesn't make you inclusive. that makes you an opportunist. >> governor crist, you may respond. [applause] governor crist: i am personally pro-life, but i personally
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believe in a woman's right to choose. mr. jolly: you cannot believe in life and then allowed to be terminated. governor crist: i did not interrupt you. we are going to have a debate tonight. governor crist: i am personally pro-life but i believe it's a woman's right to make a decision about her own life. you have a different point of view. instead of attacking me, why don't you admit that and let the voters of pinellas know that you don't believe in a woman's right to choose? [laughter] >> we have a st. petersburg college student who asked a question here and congressman jolly, you are going to answer this first. you will have 60 seconds to answer this question. first up, psychology student michael jones. >> so many politicses seem to be politicians seem to be molded with corruption, greed . what would you do differently to break the mold of the typical view of a politician? >> congressman jolly. mr. jolly: i think that is a
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great question and listen, i laid it al on the line with a bill i call the stop act. i think members of congress spend too much time raising money. i think candidates raise too much time raising money. you want to know why we haven't solved veterans health care to tax reform to a balanced budget, it's because congress is a first rate fundraising machine and not a legislative body anymore. and so, i laid it on the line and i introduced legislation that is not novel. it applies to the state legislature in tallahassee and judicial candidates in this as well. it simply says that you cannot raise money. i took the pledge personally nearly a year ago. [laughter] >> governor crist? what would you do to break the mold of a typical politician? governor crist: what i think we need to do is speak the truth to the people we want to represent. make sure we're straightforward with you, that you understand what's important to us and we get that hopefully from listening to you. i've had the opportunity to go around this district a lot in the past year. in fact, i've been in this race a lot longer than my opponent,
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and i think it's important to listen to people, whether they're students, they're teachers, they're principals. we have serious issues here. the way to break the mold is listen to people, understand what their concerns are. not be beholden to special interests. unfortunately, my opponent gets a lot of his support -- i don't know how he raised it if he's not getting it. i guess he paid somebody $10,000 a month to raise money in washington, d.c. i don't call that breaking the mold. but he's gotten a lot of it from wall street and a lot of it from k streets, where he used to be a lobbyist. that's not breaking the mold. that's being part of the problem. >> yes, you may respond. 30 seconds. mr. jolly: charlie, just because you have been a member of both parties doesn't make you bipartisan. [laughter] [laughter] [applause] you went and sat the
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lobby of the ritz carlton during the democratic national convention saying you scored four fundraisers. you called it the bank. you are a professional fundraiser. it's what you do well. i abandoned fundraising to legislate and do my job. [applause] >> let's try to ease off on the applause, so we have as much time for questions as possible. thank you. governor crist, this is drawn as a safe democratic district. at one point david jolly said it was unwinnable for a republican. you've been a republican for most of your life. what do you say to the democrats that question your principles? governor crist: well, i don't think they need to question my principles. i am joined here by my father tonight, a man who raise me with my mother and three sisters to believe in the values that they put in us, honesty, trustworthiness, being these and two other people. those are the values that i hold and i have always had. lyrical parties change from time to time. i remember ronald reagan was once a democrat and became republican.
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hillary clinton was once republican and became a democrat. it's not a sin. if the values of the party at the time don't comport how you were raised by your family, i think you have a duty to yourself and to your god to do what you think is right and represent the principles and the values that you share. those of decency, doing onto others, doing what's right to the people you serve and that's why i'm a democrat today and i'm proud of it. [applause] >> congressman jolly. let me ask you, you are a republican. so, this is a largely democratic district. what do you say to those voters? mr. jolly: i appreciate the articulation of those values. i share those values with charlie. here's the difference between mr. crist and myself. mr. crist got in this race because the lines changed. i got in this race despite the fact that the lines changed. a year ago, mr. crist tweeted out, "i will not be a candidate
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in 2016." then, the lines changed. "politico"you told because the lines changed, you saw the opportunity. there's a difference between seeing the opportunity and being an opportunnist. i got into this race despite the fact that the lines changed because we are changing politics right now as a republican and a democratic district and i ask for the opportunity to keep doing that. governor crist: can i respond to that? >> yes. governor crist: i got in this race because before the lines changed i didn't live in the district. mr. jolly: you bought a house on st. pete beach? governor crist: no. my wife bought that house on the beach. an investment.s we didn't buy it to be in a congressional district. mr. jolly: stand corrected. i am corrected on it. governor crist: you decided to run for the u.s. senate only after a asking all these people to be your member of congress.
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i have run for a lot of offices, but i never left in office in a year after a first got there. it's stunning to me. it's unbelievable. mr. jolly: you've never run for re-election, charlie. governor crist: this is my home. st. petersburg is where i grew up. this is where my father has practiced medicine for 55 years. i'm running for this office because i love these people. because i want to serve them and make sure their values are reflected in washington dc, and we don't hear the kind of bickering that you are volunteering tonight, so we have somebody who is willing to work across the aisle, work with other people in washington, so the people here in pinellas s heardget therir voice and get things done, instead of the nothing you have been able to do in washington in two and a half years. [applause] to move on tog our lightning round. please remember to keep these answers to a few words. do you need have a cuban
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consulate in st. pete? mr. jolly: i think it's a great opportunity for this city, yes. >> governor crist. governor crist: i think it's the right thing to do. no question about it. i think st. petersburg would be a great place to have a consulate. getting rid of the embargo on cuba is the right thing to do. we need to be more enlightened as we deal with our neighbor to the south and having a consulate here in st. pete would be magnificent. >> governor, should assault weapons be banned? governor crist: absolutely. listen. [applause] governor crist: there's no question in my mind that this is an issue that has touched us here in florida very closely. we are about an hour and a half from orlando where the pulse massacre occurred. it strikes me two things ought to happen and ought to happen quickly. number one, we ought to have more stringent background checks on people who are able to purchase guns. and number two, we ought to ban assault weapons. there used to be a ban. >> i put the lightning back in the lightning round. >> thank you, governor. thank you.
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congressman, what are your two favorite restaurants in the district? [laughter] mr. jolly: for breakfast, you will find us at maggie mae's, and anyone of the bay star restaurants. >> right. governor crist. governor crist: shore grill. always liked harvey's and the fourth street shrimp store. >> all right. governor crist. should medical marijuana should be legal? governor crist: i believe it should. again, i think this is a very important issue. i supported it the last time i was coming up. but i had too long, a sister who died of cancer, brain cancer. and for her and others who may suffer as a result and need something like that to take care of their pain, it's the right thing to do. >> congressman. mr. jolly: only if the fda approves it. we don't approve medicines on the ballot. i don't want my niece taking a cold medicine or marijuana because voters approved it and not doctors. this should be a matter for researchers, medical professionals, and the fda.
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what is onean, specific issue you differ with your party leadership on? mr. jolly: there are many. listen, i am trying to force consensus on hard issues, from climate, to marriage equality, to getting guns out of the hands of terrorists, and campaign financing. for many years, i try to change politics that great political risk. i demonstrated that i am willing to put pinellas over washington politics. >> governor, what is one thing you differ with party leadership on? governor crist: the transpacific partnership. i don't think it will help americans as we work on trade agreements around the world and asia as it relates to this one. the other problem i have with it is how it treats corporations and lets them have more free rein as it relates to the environment. >> thank you. [applause] >> is there time for one more? >> absolutely. >> governor crist, is this lightning?
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>> this is normal. you get 60 seconds. what is going to be your number one priority? what are you going to try to carve out for yourself in washington? governor crist: i have very concerned about social security, adam. i am concerned that today in social security, we have a double tax, if you will. when you pay into social security, you have to obviously pay on your income, or income taxes. but later in life, when you get those benefits, you also have to pay tax. michael double tax and it is not fair or right. i also want to protect social security. unfortunately, my opponent has talked about raising the age of eligibility for people who would get social security later in her life. i think that is right. he has also talked about and advocated, as a lobbyist, that social security should be privatized. i think that would ruin social security. it is a promise to our people. it is working as it is in place and i would fight for it every day. [applause]
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so, again, telling it with a smile does not make it through. i actually have not advocated for privatizing social security. governor crist: i said you lobby for it. mr. jolly: i did not lobby for it either. governor crist: well, you registered to lobby for it. mr. jolly: no, i did not. i am glad you endorsed by legislation to end taxation on social security. thank you very much. [applause] >> ok, we will be back with more on the congressional candidates. first, we want to thank our sponsors tonight, saint petersburg college, and of course, the "tampa bay times." [applause] back to the house 13 th district debate. this is live from the palladium theater. thank you guys for being with us this evening.
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thae two candidates now have a chance to ask each other a question. you will both have 60 seconds to respond to that question. governor crist, who will start with you. governor crist: i appreciate the opportunity for that, mark. but i feel when segments come into a debate like this, it is usually posed as an opportunity for people to take shots at each other. i don't want to do that, so i'm not going to do that tonight. in fact, i would rather take the students from one of the -- i would rather take a question from one of the students. and if i did have a question for you, david, it would be, i would hope you would join me in doing this and bring about more civil discourse about issues facing pennell'inellas county. >> congressman? >> i have a question for you. [applause] when you were any the florida senate, you coined yourself chain gang charlie.
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you build a political career on it. when you were in the state senate, you travel to alabama with harry singletary, the very first african american corrections secretary from the state of florida to view the chain cgang. you accepted a hat from the alabama of alabama said chain gang. you stood on the side of the road over three african-american prisoners on their knees. ery said it made him sick to his stomach. many called it barbaric. you stood there over three african-american prisoners in chains on their knees on the side of the road, saying it was a great site, saying we needed to bring into florida. and you did this, whether you know it or not, on the eve of
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theteenth, the day african-american celebrates the end of slavery. did yoution for you, ever give it a second thought? did you ever hesitate, or did you just see political opportunity in that moment to be a republican tough on crime. well, you just all what i was talking about. >> no. >> skews me, sir. i am happy to answer your question. the reason we did that, in addition to a stop fact that i answered as well, that brought had to beof sentences served in florida because in the mid-1990's in our stead, we were number one in violent crimes in america. and for you to suggest that it had anything to do with race is appalling. and it is beneath you. and i am embarrassed for you that you would say that about your fellow floridian. [applause]
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the only concern i had was for the citizens of florida who are subjected to a violent crime every three minutes and 45 seconds. we were number one in violent crime in america at the time. some of the measures we took at that time, including the stop act, requiring 85% of sentences served, has made florida a safer place ever since. and of that, i am very proud. [applause] mr. jolly: you cannot be the candidate that today embraces civil justice reform and to not have a second thought with the television cameras and news photographers taking photos that will live forever that most viewers have not seen until tonight of the standing over african-american prisoners on their knees -- >> we got that. mr. jolly: and a civil justice reform. in allr crist:
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fairness, as the governor of the state of florida, i was asked right before the election of 2006, charlie, if you are elected, would you support automatic restoration of rights for former felons that are nonviolent? [applause] david, just so you know where my heart is and how i feel, i am compassionate to people who are subjected to crime and i am compassion to people deserve to have a second chance. and i don't think that the two are inconsistent whatsoever. i think it is common sense to try to do what is right, to try to protect people, and to give people a second chance when they to societyotheir debt because i believe in forgiveness, and we all should, too. [applause] >> thank you, gentlemen. your wish is our command. we've a question now from a saint pete college student,
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justine. this time, governor crist, he will answer first. y> does the no fly-no bu legislation violates the due process rights, and is a violate the second amendment? governor crist: i don't think that it does my let your -- i don't think it does violate your due process rights. fly-no buy, for those who may not follow everything int happens washington every day, is what the president has called for in trying to get guns out of the hands of those who have been listed on the national terrorist list. my support with the president is trying to do. my opponent has voted against that proposal about 12 or 13 times. he is a different proposal which, of course, he is the right to have. but it seems to me that he ofuld try to err on the side
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safety and make sure we are getting begun set of those that are on the terrorist list at a minimum. >> thank you, congressman. mr. jolly: you shouldn't be able to purchase it. to be denied her sentiment right today, it has to be postadjudication. you are a convicted of a felony or adjusted. we let you slide on the assault weapons ban lending run questions. -- assault weapons lightning round questions. what is your view on that. mr. jolly: i that with them recently. i support background checks and waiting periods, everything we can do to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. >> but you don't support the assault weapon ban?
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governor crist: it is -- mr. jolly: it is an issue i continue to wrestle with. i protect the second amendment rights, but i don't support a ban right now provided we have background checks that are in place. >> thank you. governor crist. should the 11 million undocumented immigrants in america gets a pathway to citizenship, or should they be deported first? governor crist: i believe they should get a pathway to citizenship. i think it would be inhumane to take children away from parents and send them to different places and it is unreasonable to deport 11 million people in the first place. i'm the grandson of an immigrant. i believe in immigration and i believe that if those people who are here are paying a tax, pay a fine, do what is right in making sure they are competent in english, the kinds of things we would require in a reasonable conversation immigration reform package,
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which i would support, i think it is the right thing to do. [applause] >> congressman. i support comprehensive border security reforms. and have comprehensive immigration reforms, which include remediation and , but hereand so forth is how we differ. i don't support a pathway to citizenship for people who came here illegally. i do support a pathway to residence, and here is why. lasouple i know in pinel on a came here legally visa to open a floral business, a bigger who came here legally, they don't have a pathway to citizenship. whos unfair to those people came here legally. we do need to establish operational controls of the borders. [applause] congressman jolly, what should we be doing in syria
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today? mr. jolly: deploy the finest special operator force the world has ever seen, which is our men and women to go and destroy and eradicate terror around the world. here is that we should not do. the obama administration has continued to empower russia and iran, that is backing a regime in syria, be it hezbollah or otherwise. we have laid down american leadership. my wife and i just took a trip throughout the middle east. we net with heads of state and kings and syrian refugees down on the border. they are begging for american leadership. we cannot have a president that sets a bright line and when it is violated, walk it back. it is weakness of leadership and foreign policy in the white house right now. [applause] governor crist: i believe the president has us on a good path as it relates to syria. we have seen very good games lately in taking over isis
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controlled lands. we are feeding them back with air attacks, with drones, with some advisers, military advisors, and not having boots on the ground, which i think would not be the right approach. i believe the way we are doing it now is the right way. [applause] mr. jolly: if i may, there a boots on the ground right now at the order of president obama, our commander in chief. so, you are disagreeing with the president's policy. you can call it an adviser. but they are soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, fighting the good fight. they are right here in the audience. they arecrist: military advisors. >> governor, what would you do to help pinellas county and your district become even bigger in the world of tourism today? governor crist: i will tell you one thing i would have done and i am surprised the congressman has not done it yet. we have all been reading about and hearing about a horrific sewage problem and the water
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that is being dumped into tampa bay for weeks. over 100 million gallons of it. now, that is not going to help us with tourism. and what i don't understand is why our member of congress, our representative of pinellas county, which is the epicenter of this problem, isn't advocating day after day after day for federal emergency help to get is cleaned up. our country has done it for flint. why can't we do it for pinellas county? that is the kind of leadership we deserve. [applause] it is because the mayor who endorse you who oversaw this catastrophe has not asked for it. that is why. [applause] governor crist: if you have to be asked for help when the people of your district are suffering, something is wrong. [applause] you do whatst:
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needs to be done. mr. jolly: your mayor denied there was a problem. the mayor that has endorsed you has not owned up to this, nor asked for assistance. i would be happy to work, as i have with other communities from treasure island to clearwater, to st. petersburg. governor crist: do you need an invitation to serve? [applause] let me ask you a question, charlie. what would you do in my shoes as a member of congress? governor crist: i would at least talk about it. i would bring a focus to the issue. i would talk to people -- didn't interrupt you. i would go to michigan and ask them how they got help. mr. jolly: they haven't gotten it yet. >> we are moving on. let's stay on the issue of infrastructure. this is not exactly comparable to flint. we are not talking about drinking water. but what is your role as a congressman. we have infrastructure problems,
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not just with our transportation and roads. what do you see your role in doing sitting about this, congressman? mr. jolly: as i am working with a democrat from maryland to was a great plan that would allow corporate america to onshore and offshore resources right now. ofcan repatriated at a rate 6%, which the business community would exempt. for the last six or seven years, congress has not had the ability to direct funding to any specific project, inkling sewers --sh including sewers including sewers in st. petersburg. if we can allow repatriation of onshore and offshore money, we can create an infrastructure bank to fund development right here. >> you don't have earmarks anymore. what would you be doing? governor crist: we have an election coming up, not only between mr. jolly and myself, but for president.
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one of those candidates has talked about infrastructure project that would be an important part of her administration, to make sure that we have comprehensive infrastructure projects all over the notice states of america. it is one of the reasons i support her. i think she would be a good, steady president. she would address the issues that are extremely important to the state of florida, in terms of roads, fast transit, what we are seeing as it relates to the sewage and the pipes. we need a massive amount done. administration after the next 50 days hopefully, relies and focuses on it. if i'm fortunate enough to earn your vote to work with her, i will get it done. >> governor, what would you do to help solve the problem of
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wealth and income equality? governor crist: there are several things. there is an issue in this campaign about middle wage. it strikes me that it is the right thing to do to increase the minimum wage to $12 and eventually, $15. everywhere that has been done, seattle being one of the fine economy in those states and cities has risen and done better. if you do that, maybe people will be employed as much. they have more disposable income and support other small businesses in their community and that is what has been happening. >> congressman. mr. jolly: charlie, this is by working families just can't believe you. i support the minimum wage. when you had a chance to support it, you didn't. in 2004, when the state of florida was having a debate about raising our minimum wage, yo there was a unanimous vote
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at the meeting. you did not vote against it. i think the federal government should set a wage floor and trust states. i think the federal government should set a wage floor. it doesn't matter who is in office, but reflect the economic needs. workers andployee pro tech jobs? you want to raise the minimum wage to $15 economically, they said it would reduce jobs. >> we are going to move on to the lightning round again and we are going tio start with start with governor crist. can you promise to not seek a different office for at least four years? governor crist: yes. >> mr. jolly, same question. mr. jolly: i don't know if i'm years or 10two oyear
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years. i'm not in this to build a clinical career. that is the difference between charlie and i. [applause] governor crist: as i said before, god bless you, david. but just after a year after you asked the voters of this district to give you their boat, you decided to leave and run or the united states senate. what kind of confidence can they have from you on this issue? mr. jolly: i continue to represent pinellas county. llasve always put pine first and that is the difference between you and i. >> congressman jolley, should congress work to repeal citizens united? we should change a lot about it, yes. i read the stop act and there is to much money in politics, but members of congress raise too much money. a candidate committee, like myself is quickly becoming -- >> governor crist. governor crist: yes, we should
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overturn citizens united. what isnor crist, the last book you read? governor crist: the bible. >> i'm sorry? governor crist: the bible. >> a new you are going to say the bible. governor crist: i read every morning. >> should obama care be repealed? mr. jolly: i think we should significantly change it. i would vote to repeal it, but if we don't have a replacement, it is an exercise in futility. there are winners and losers. it was a lie of the year, when people were told they could keep their plan. winners.brace the the bottom line for me is nobody should be worse off that we should replace what is the big government obamacare model. frankly, what charlie said was wrong in 2009. bureaucrats standing between
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patients and their physicians. charlie and i agreed in 2009. >> you did not answer the question. mr. jolly: yes, i have voted to repeal it. governor crist: what would that do to the 17 million of our fellow americans. who nowion floridians have health care because of the affordable care act would not have it anymore. and we would go back to the days when we had discrimination in health care delivery. what do i mean by that? the affordable care act said that if you have a pre-existing condition, you cannot be refused health care today. before the affordable care act, it was also a fact that women had to pay higher premiums than men. its act is not perfect, but has done a lot of good. >> governor crist, what grade would you give president obama? governor crist: i would give him an a. the reason is -- >> we don't need the reasons.
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congressman? gradelly: it is the same you give ronald reagan when he was a republican. it is a mixed bag, but i think he is ranking up there with jimmy carter. >> is that a b or c? mr. jolly: his foreign-policy has failed. we are less secure today because of the president's foreign policy. >> what is the current policy for cubans? mr. jolly: is summit he reaches our shores, they should have the opportunity to stay. >> only for cuba? governor crist: i agree. >> thank you so much. we will be back with david jolly and charlie crist after a short break. first, we want to thank our sponsors, st. petersburg college, 10 news, and of course, the "tampa bay times." >> welcome back to the
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congressional 13th district debate with congressman david jolly and charlie crist. congressman jolley, in a few decades, we are going to have to cut benefits for shovels security unless something happens and more revenue is found. what would you do to strengthen social security and do you think income of to $1 million should be in that taxable range? mr. jolly: yes i do. i have a voted against my own party's budget is of this issue. if we extract the politics out of it, the equation is obvious. democrats have had their plan and republicans have had their plan. i think both come home and say, we voted for our budget, but nothing got done. what happened during those five years? we have increased our debt. and so, my position is he is. let's say if you have worked 10 years, 40 quarters, what it takes to qualify for social security and medicare, you should be vested in the current
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benefits structure. if you have yet to enter the workforce, you have a different program. it is going to be the best in the world, that it may be means tested and it could look very different. governor crist: i think there is a simple solution to this problem. right now, we know social security is solvent at least through the year 2034 or 2037. if we would lift the cap, and i think that is what you are referring to in your question, if you make between zero dollars $118,000 each year, you have to pay social security anymore. why should those who make the most not participate in this plan? if we did that, we would solve the social security issue almost for ever. that is the responsible thing to do and that is what i would advocate. [applause] >> we are going to move on because we are running out of time. what is the single biggest issue
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and concern facing veterans in tampa bay and what would you do about it anin congress? getting appropriate service. when i was governor, i appointed a secretary of veterans affairs, junior.unio libra collins they need some of the to fight for them. they need not to be delayed in getting the appropriate health care that they need. and they need a member of congress who will vote for an additional $15 million for the veterans ministration, instead of voting against an additional $50 million, as david jelly did as recently as 2015. [applause] there has been no greater advocate. i introduced a freedom card that says you chose where you want to go. on the benefits backlog, i worked with the secretary and said, "what do you need? need more employees
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and i said, ok. here is the problem with what you said, mr. cris. you recited the quote from nancy pelosi that was given three long pinocchio's by the "washington post." [applause] governor crist: so, you deny that you did not vote -- >> let's move on. congress and jolly, where is the ideal place to locate a new race stadium, and would you oppose moving it? mr. jolly: yes, i would oppose moving into hillsboro. pinellasin the house county is great. onernor crist: we agree this issue, maybe the only thing we agree on. >> i think we're going to the lightning round. starting with you, congressman jolley, do you intend to vote for your party's nominee?
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you 45ly: it took minutes to get there, adam. listen, donald trump does not have my support today. i understand millions of people support him because they want to change washington. i won't be voting for secretary clinton, but i am not therefore mr. trump today. >> you said "today." mr. jolly: i don't see getting there in november. there is not a trick here. i am struggling, like millions of americans, looking for leadership in our candidates and not seeing it. >> are you voting for your party's nominee, governor? governor crist: i am proud of hillary clinton. i am. i think she has been a very good secretary of state, a good senator from the state of new york. i believe she is steady and strong and honest. and i look forward to voting for her. crist, what living
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political leader do you admire most today? governor crist: probably the president. >> president obama. governor crist: and i will tell you why. >>'s inquest into you, congressman jolly. mr. jolly: look, most people are not going to know him. tome cole is a great leader in the house. yongk to my time with mr. for leadership and i thank him for what he taught me. was it adsight, mistake to have invaded iraq? mr. jolly: i think in hindsight, withng that we have intelligence now, yes. but let's not get into this debate over hindsight. and look past the fact that thousands upon thousands of men and women in uniform fought to make this world safer, at great sacrifice to themselves, losing
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their lives, being forever changed, both with mental health , and google health. always in hindsight, we can look back to passages in history, to everywhere we had inquest in our decisions. let's not disrespect or disparage the honor that the men and women served with. >> et al. think anybody is doing that here, congressman. governor, can you answer the question as well. in hindsight, i think anybody would say that it was. i am sympathetic to those who had to make the decision to go in based on the information they were presented at the time. that should never happen. we should be transparent and honest with each other, especially when you are talking about sending americans into battle. so, that should never happen again. >> governor crist, should rick scott expand medicaid? governor crist: no question about it. [applause] listen, i have never
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been involved in the state budget. the state senate reached a compromise on how to expand care for individuals. i think i would have to follow the state senate's lead. >> congressman, what is your biggest regret in public service? when adam asked me if you would question and i yelled at him. >> i don't know that i have one. have been honored and privileged to serve as your commissioner of education, to serve as your attorney general and fight increases from insurance companies, lower your property taxes as your governor, lowering your property insurance as your governor. all of these things have been a great leverage for me and to be able to appoint four members to the florida supreme court, to extend voting rights to help people so they could vote early. >> thank you, governor.
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that sounded like a closing argument. we're going into it. no regrets and your career, but let's go to your closing argument. each of you have one minute, starting with governor crist. governor crist: first of all, i want to thank channel 10, the saint bay times," petersburg college, and all of you here tonight and all of you watching at home. this election year could be one of the most important in our lives. i would encourage all of you to make sure you exercise that precious right to vote. it is absolutely important. we have to start early voting soon. both are going to be mailed out october 4 for mail in voting. please exercise that right. it is a privilege as americans to have it. it would be an honor to serve you in the united states congress. i will not let you down. and it will bigger with my friends or colleagues up there. i will represent you with a civil tone that you will be proud of. thank you. [applause]
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i would say the choice is clear tonight. opponent first ran for office 30 years ago and has constantly promoted his party's agenda, whatever party that was. i first ran three years ago and i have tried to shatter the mold of modern politics, from heart issues of campaign finance reform, to marriage equality, two guns, i have tried to lead a consensus between the parties. and along the way, help families, restore benefits for veterans and the elderly, help the disabled. i am trying to change politics, not go back 30 years. ofyou believe, regardless party, your neighborhood, ideology, join me. i am asking for the opportunity sibley to keep doing my job. thank you. [applause] and thank you for joining us tonight. this is for the house 13th
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congressional debate. i hope you learned something about these two candidates and what separates them. >> we want to thank congressman david jolly and governor charlie crist. thank you to the crowd and to those watching at home. we appreciate you as well. we also want to thank our sponsors, the "tampa bay times," saint pete college, and a special thanks to the palladium theater as well. thank you for your hospitality tonight. and for all of us here, good night. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> election officials and cyber security specialists will meet on capitol hill tomorrow afternoon to brief lawmakers on cyber threats to the u.s. election system. what coverage at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span 3.
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you can also watch it live on www.c-span.org, for listen live on the c-span radio app. federal reserve chair janet yellen will brief members of the house financial services committee on u.s. monetary policy and the economy. that is live at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3. you can also watch live at www.c-span.org, or listen live on the c-span radio app. e-house judiciary -- a house judiciary subcommittee is looking into enforcement in new orleans. we will hear from state and federal officials on so-called sanctuary cities. from capitol hill, this is just under two hours. >> good morning. welcome to the subcommittee on immigration.
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the declare a recess at any time. we welcome everyone to today's hearing. visit he became a thank you or city. i will recognize myself for an opening statement and then i will introduce the panelist and recognize you individually for your opening statements. this is as close as i will ever come to being a judge, but every have it. time and time and time again, our nation has witnessed the consequences of this administration's failure to enforce immigration law. when a thing these tragedies is unsettling enough, but it pales in comparison to the grief and anguish and separation experienced by the families of those victimized. we're not here merely to discuss the failure to enforce the law, it is more disconcerting than
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that. we are here because the department of justice, supposed to be the chief enforcer of the law, is aiding and abetting local governments and the failure to enforce the law. toe again, the temptation make a political point has transcended the obligation to take care that the law be faithfully executed. by current policy, the new orleans police department prevent its employees from communicating with u.s. immigration and customs enforcement regarding the immigration that is of and a estee.-- are based on the department of a lawsuit was, filed against the city of new orleans and the police department alleging various civil rights violations.
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on the basis of that lawsuit, the party has entered into an agreement. -- a decree. it stated that officers shall not take law-enforcement action on the basis of actual or perceived immigration status, including the initiation of stops or other field contacts. let me read the saline part of that again. shall not take law-enforcement action on the basis of actual immigration status. 28, 2016, new orleans police department issued a written policy entitled "immigration status" which forbids officers from inquiring about immigration that is and forbids them from immigration enforcement.
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the new orleans police department policy was not only vetted but enthusiastically improved by doj civil rights division. it was also approved by dhs. the department of justice and the department of homeland security enthusiastically theoved and supported failure of law enforcement to take note of federal immigration laws. in addition to being mind numbingly antithetical to be faithful execution of the law, this new orleans policy statement appears to violate 1373,n eight usc code which provides no person or agency shall prohibit agency from sending, requesting or receiving information regarding don't -- lawfully present
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aliens. a letter was sent to attorney lynch demanding she explained the drgs -- doj's role. on may 31 of this year, doj inspector michael horman issued a response.s -- they may be in violation of federal law appeared inspector general was requested to investigate allegations that the 143 districts are in violation. for those of you who may be struck by the duplicity of the chief federal law enforcement toity reviving grant money
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states and municipalities who specifically failed to assist the enforcement of federal law, you're not alone. the inspector general found the laws and policies in several jurisdictions go beyond regulating responses and also address in some way the sharing of information with that will immigration authorities. after specifically reviewing the language of the new orleans waste department policy -- police department policy, it was view, it wouldur not serve as a savings clause. it is the understanding of the police department employees that they are not restricted from sharing status information, the policy would be inconsistent. on july 7, doj's programs determined that section 1373 is
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applicable federal law for purposes of determining status eligibility for grant funding. that, the police department was awarded a grant. to a letter,nded they outlined the policy but failed to explain the new orleans policy is awful, which was an important part of the letter in the first place. friday, september 23, just a few days after our hearing was announced, we received a letter from the department of justice claiming a revised policy for the new orleans police department did comply. however, this policy makes no mention of part b.
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in addition, doj has not provided this committee with any indication of how officers will be trained to implement this revised policy or how seemingly minor changes to the text will assure new orleans will not be operating as a sanctuary city, which leaves us with why we are here today. in public places, aliens can more readily have a weapon. that they're interested in providing sanctuary. the federal government has inserted itself in matters that are not inherently federal. to put this in terms that almost anyone can understand, state and
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local law enforcement can be trusted to provide security for members of congress both here and in our home districts. they can be entrusted to enforce monologues, child sex laws, kidnapping laws, they can dissipate in task -- participate in task forces. but government a lift a finger to assist in federal immigration laws. to the department of justice go as far as the consent degree to inhibit the ability of the federal government to enforce federal law is stunning, even for a department of justice that has unfortunately become increasingly politicized. the consent degree can be interpreted it to her where your lens to adopt policies that require officers to violate federal law. let me repeat that. this administration's department of justice is actually requiring new orleans police officers to
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break the law in an effort to further their political agenda. onhave had multiple hearings those who have been victimized by century cities. we've heard from their families and are aware of the tragic consequences. this is not theoretical. this is real life with real victims and grieving family members. illegal aggression is not a victimless crime. -- we can the law, you weaken it forever. when she decides state and local law enforcement are good enough to protect us in our districts but not good enough to be trusted in the execution of the law, good luck reversing that. i will recognize california. >> thank you.

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