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-- >> how did he get selected for what could be the president for last state dinner? >> there is a long-standing relationship between italy and the united states. we are partners and allies. we have a very strong community. our leaders and share the same view of many international topics. they do concede that democracies have to stand together. have a. and italy special relation and responsibility. >> it has been a ears, why now italy? will chair the g7 and they are in -- a member of the security council. 60t year will be sell rating years of the eu and it is important that italy, the prominent member of the eu confers the important of european integration.
willnk that the framework rank among the priorities of discussion between president obama and prime minister renzi. >> describe our relationship, the u.s. italian relationship. where are we working together? >> in many fields. we share responsibility and our common endeavor to fight terrorism. we want to cackle the global issues, ranking from climate change to migration. -- immigration. these are issues where countries have a treat -- a great tradition and they share the same interests and the same approach. >> what is going on next week at the embassy as you prepare for the state dinner? >> as you can see it is hectic and lively. there is a great sense of excitement. we are excited by this event.
we have many things to care about. myself and my staff, we are excited and happy. >> what kind of leader is the prime minister, what should the american people know about him? >> he is a bit -- a young, talented leader. the youngest prime minister ever in italy. he rings the sense of enthusiasm, the sense of the italian personality. --m sure that the american they will come to know and love hereng guy and who will be with his spouse. >> americans will see him with his wife. long arrival. a americans will see the pageantry that goes into this type of visit like this. what is the coordination like between the prime minister's office, the embassy here, and
our government? >> we have acting corporation with her colleagues and the white house. and the secret service. there are so many details to take care of. is a happy event, this is a celebration so we are happy we can share with our friends and colleagues this moment. >> any special protocol for the italian prime minister? >> the protocol is complex when it comes to state visits. we will try to follow the different procedures with a jolly spirit. what matters is we consider this as a celebration of a friendship, of a long-standing friendship but also it is important for us to draw a common agenda for the future. >> what is that future agenda looking like? what is the common ground? you talk about the military but where else and what will the leaders talk about when they hold their joint news
conference? >> you can try line between the different topics and issues and challenges. they share the same approach. we do consider that on thezation requires part of leaders great care. we have to harness this process. we are convinced there are many opportunities ahead of us. next is the prime minister -- does the prime minister have any what will they talk about behind closed doors? >> they know each other in different national fora. they know each other very well. bring, i minister will didn't say concern but a deep understanding that in order to tackled these challenges, our
countries, our democracies have to build bridges, have to stay connected, because integration is the only way to harness. >> what do you think the italian people are hoping to get out of this visit for their country, for the leader to come here? will they be watching? >> for sure. italians are excited. i'm sure that is when president obama and the first lady together with the prime minister and his spouse will be seen together at the white house, i think this will be a great image. aat will give the sign of strong bond and our italians will love it. >> mr. ambassador, thank you for your time. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> join us tuesday at 6:30 p.m. eastern for the white house state dinner for italian prime
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concerns about the integrity of the state voting system. we sure to watch live at seven a.m. eastern tuesday morning. join the discussion. >> first-term pennsylvania senator pat toomey is running for reelection against democrat kay mcginty who has worked in the clinton administration and in current pennsylvania governors tom wolf's administration. this comes to us courtesy of kdka tv in pittsburgh. ken: welcome to our debate between the candidates for u.s. senate in pennsylvania. i am ken rice. let's welcome the candidates. senator pat toomey and his democratic challenger katie mcginty. of chester county. i will be joined by my kdka tv
colleagues, money and politics editor jon delano and lynne hayes-freeland. the candidates will have one minute to answer a question and an additional 30 seconds for rebuttal. the candidates can jump in from time to time with follow-up questions. finally, each candidate will have two minutes for closing statements. up first, a two-part question. as a leader in your party, yes or no, do you support, as in will you vote for or records others to vote for your party's presidential nominee and what, if any, are specific issues that you disagree with your nominee? according to a coin flip, ms. mcginty, you go first. ms. mcginty: i do support hillary clinton because she will work for families, the same reason i am in this campaign.
guantanamo bay is one issue. i don't think we can afford to close it. senator toomey has refused to answer this question and won't tell the voters why he is still standing with donald trump. we will hear the senator say has disagreements with donald trump and that he is waiting to be persuaded. these answers won't cut it with someone who has invited russia to in vain our allies, who has bragged about sexual assault. waiting to be persuaded is political speak for waiting for the next poll. the senator is the only person running for senate who has not told his constituents how he will vote. sen. toomey: because katie is
so extremely partisan, she might not grasp the idea that someone might have trouble with a candidate in their own party. i have been willing to criticize donald trump because i think he is a badly flawed candidate. i also know that, if he were president, he would also signed legislation that would be productive. like repealing obamacare and restoring sanctions on iran. what i can't believe is that katie mcginty can't criticize anything about hillary clinton, including all of her lies. she went around the state saying she was the first to graduate college in her family when she knew full well that she went back for a graduate degree after coming out of high school. maybe that explains why she is willing to overlook the serial lies of a badly flawed candidate. ken: i will repeat the question, yes or no? sen. toomey: i have not reached a point where i can endorse donald trump.
the things i have mentioned. i do also acknowledge that he would sign some legislation that would be constructive. i feel like i am in the same position as an awful lot of pennsylvanians. we have two badly flawed candidates. i can believe in a country of 300 million this is what we've got. but katie mcginty, she can't even bring herself to acknowledge the incredible flaws of the candidate of her party. ms. mcginty: i think it is a simple and straightforward question that you have asked. i will work with a secretary clinton and a president clinton to bring good jobs back to pennsylvania and to grow income. again, the senator is the only person in the united states of america who has not level with his constituents on this simple question. i will yield the balance of my time back to the senator so we can answer that question. sen. toomey: katie started the campaign with a lie that was called "pants on fire" by the
observers. another thing i have a hard time understanding is how the corruption of hillary is acceptable to katie mcginty. the corruption of the clinton foundation is unbelievable. we learn more and more about it on a daily basis from these late e-mails. ken: one last go at this. will you disclose to your constituents and voters how you will vote? sen. toomey: at a certain point, i probably will. but there is more we need to talk about on ethics. john: in your attack ads, each of you are referred to as millionaire pat toomey, millionaire katie mcginty. let's give you a chance to respond. your financial reports to confirm that you are millionaires. how did you become rich?
senator toomey, did you enrich yourself on wall street and then, while serving on the senate banking committee, co-own a bank that foreclose on people's homes and approve a law that helped the very banks like yours? is that how you got rich? sen. toomey: absolutely not. i worked in new york in the finance in the 1980's and let when i was 29 years old and launched a small business with my brothers. i am proud of the people we employed. what katie mcginty dead is funneled pennsylvania tax dollars to a foreign company to set up shop in pennsylvania, then they rewarded her with a lucrative board seat, they folded, the pennsylvania workers lost their jobs and taxpayers lost their money, but katie did quite well. she is a multimillionaire who enriched herself with this corporate revolving door. it is part of what people are
discussed about in -- disgusted about in american politics. jon: so you did not get rich on wall street? sen. toomey: i work as hard as i could and certainly made some money. i was a kid in my 20's. i started at the bottom and when i left at 29, i wasn't too much higher than that. jon: ms. mcginty, did you grant money as an official to companies that your husband was working for and then joined companies that you regulated? ms. mcginty: the allegations you articulated were false, misleading, untrue. i am proud of the work i have done in the private sector and business. that is to create jobs while protecting the environment. what the senator has done is different.
our senator not only owned and started his own bank, he owned that bank while sitting on the senate banking committee. on the banking committee, he pushed a totally anti-consumer agenda and the senator's own bank was engaged in such predatory behavior that it was illegal in 30-plus states. in a predatory fashion, foreclosing on his own constituents without notice while the senator was making sure that we have an anti-consumer set of rules and regulations that help fraudulent bank practices like those his own bank was engaged in. sen. toomey: this is amazing. any foreclosures on the part of our bank were foreclosures on corporate loans. that is the case that katie mcginty is talking about. the facts are that when she funneled money to a firm that had her husband on the payroll, the state ethics commission
ruled unanimously that it was a violation of state ethics law. she went to court and the supreme court ruled that yes, in fact, it was a violation of state ethics laws. you have repeatedly had this ethical problem. it came up again with the spanish company she funneled taxpayer money to. taxpayers lost their money, workers lost their jobs. ms. mcginty: again, the senator is entitled to his rhetoric but not his own storyline. he has repeated the storyline throughout this campaign that has been 100% negative and repeatedly chastised by new's organizations for how false his claims and allegations are. the senator knows well that the projects he is talking about were not started by me, but
started by former republican governor tom ridge, and that it is a project that has been award-winning, done by a bipartisan, nonprofit, terrific environmental group, the pennsylvania environmental council. >> let's move now to the supreme court. the republican-controlled senate has refused to consider the nomination of merrick garland to the supreme court. at the time of justice's death in february, president obama had nearly a full year left on his term. ms. mcginty, do you believe that the president should get to nominate to bring court justices for the entire four-year term? ms. mcginty: the constitution doesn't have many enumerated responsibilities for a united states senator, but one of them is that you advise and consent, all hearings where the president nominates someone to stand on the bench. senator toomey has been part of a hyper-partisan cabal that, for
the first time in our country's history, has refused a hearing to a nominee the president put forward. the president is not asking for a rubberstamp, but a hearing. i would stand up and make sure any nominee got that hearing. it is not the first on the senator has done this. he single-handedly held out for 400 days a perfectly qualified judge, judge restrepo. today, the president has nominated someone to be the first african-american woman to serve on the third circuit, right here from allegheny county, and the senator won't even allow her a hearing. lynne: senator, your response. you certainly pledged initially to keep that seat open until after the new term in january.
do you believe that is in the best interest of voters? sen. toomey: back in 2010, when i was a candidate for the u.s. senate, i wrote an op-ed saying why i would have supported judge sotomayor. i knew that i wouldn't agree with her on many things but i thought her record as a judge was solid, she had demonstrated restraint in the limited role of a judge, and i would have supported her. i have worked with bob casey, and senator casey and i have had 16 federal judges recruited, vented, and confirmed because we work together. most of those were democratic judges. i have worked with him and got that done. prior to justice scalia's passing, we had a supreme court that was roughly balance. sometimes it may decisions that conservatives like, other times it was decisions that liberals like, like upholding obamacare.
with the passage of justice scalia, the question arises, we only have a balanced court, in which way will it turn? the constitution is very clear that the power to seek a justice is a shared power between the president and the senate. the american people will have a say with virtue of who they elect as resident of the united states. i think that is the right way to move forward with the court. ms. mcginty: again, the people of the country did speak, and they elected barack obama as their president. it is the president's not only opportunity but obligation to put candidates forward. the senate has acted -- the -- any totally partisan way and frustrating the constitution , instructs the senate to a sure there are fair and thorough hearings of nominees. i thought it was interesting to hear the senator say that when he was running for office last time he wrote an op-ed that had bipartisan flavor.
that is the last we have seen. sen. toomey: that is completely untrue because i worked with senator casey to get 16 judges confirmed, most of them democrats, more than any other state in the union other than california and new york. the fact that the hyper partisan person that i am concerned at how she will behave in the senate is katie mcginty. when she was chief of staff for governor tom wolf, they couldn't proceed when she was in the room and they had to conduct negotiations with governor wolf or other staff members.
ken: is donald trump correct when he blames don't trade deals for wreaking havoc in our economy? and he says that steel jobs could return to this region and manufacturing could drive jobs again. or, is he peddling false hope? sen. toomey: i visited the assembly line at the locomotive plants. i have been to meet with employees. i have that with the folks that have worked making medical devices in southeastern and southwestern pennsylvania. each one of those areas depends on the ability to sell our products overseas. 96% of the world's population lives somewhere else. i have backed agreements when they are supported by the pennsylvania farm bureau. when they open up foreign markets for our goods, i supported them. when cheating has happened, as
has happened in steel, the u.s. steel brought this to my attention, i went to bat for them. that has been my approach, to support trade agreements that expand opportunities and open up markets for all workers. with respect to tpp, this is an agreement that has been flawed. i have been clear about that. ken: let me read definitely redirect you to the question. do you agree with donald trump that towns like ambridge, towns up and down the valley that been decimated by manufacturing jobs, that policies can bring those towns back? sen. toomey: i believe the right policies can bring those back. one example, we had a tremendous advantage over the rest of our world with our energy. we have natural gas that is cheaper in pennsylvania that almost anywhere in the world. there are lots of heavy manufacturing injuries that are energy intensive. the point is, if we take
advantage of the opportunities we have -- it will be different jobs, different firms, and across the manufacturing spectrum, but we can absolutely have a strong recovery. katie mcginty's policies will be stifling the energy sources that will be so vital to recovering manufacturing. ken: ms. mcginty, what is your opinion of donald trump suggesting that there is hope for steel industries to be reborn in western pennsylvania? ms. mcginty: thanks, but i first want to address what the senator just said. i was proud to lead the charge to bring 3000 new jobs in the energy sector to pennsylvania, specifically manufacturing renewable energy equipment. the senator is well familiar with those jobs because, while i employed the full spectrum of our energy resources, he had an
issue that this was the fact -- that this was renewable energy rather than traditional. he led the charge to take away the tax incentives to help those jobs growth in our own state. i guess he has also been rewarded well for taking those renewable energy jobs away, because the senator happens to be one of the single largest recipients of big oil contributions in the u.s. senate. i think we have every opportunity to compete and win in manufacturing, and here is why. the days of manufacturing just being about cheap labor are gone. it is not skilled labor plus technology plus speed to market. that is a recipe for our sweet spot where we can compete and win. ken: yes or no, can better trade deals bring back steel jobs in western pennsylvania? ms. mcginty: i have opposed the tpp in pushing it through and fast tracking it.
even the proponents say it will cost us 50,000 good manufacturing jobs a year. the senator flip-flopped on that recently but i think it is just like with donald trump, that a senator doesn't want to be straight about this. my view is, the rules matter, we need a level, fair playing field. when the playing field is fair, nobody can outcompete the american worker. sen. toomey: the president flip-flopped on trade agreements was katie mcginty. she was all for nafta when the clintons said to be for nafta and when they said it is ok not to be for nafta anymore, they did a reversal. i supported a procedure to bring any trade agreement to congress for an up or down vote. let's go back to her claim that
she created thousands of jobs. this is her problem with the extreme version of how she approaches economics. it takes massive subsidies. taxpayers have to subsidize, in this case, a spanish company to come in here. it still didn't work. we are forced to pay higher electric rates because companies are forced to buy inexpensive electricity in the only person who wins in this is katie mcginty. jon: i do want to follow up on the subject of energy and also fuels. we know that many folks in western pennsylvania are employed in fossil fuel industries. ms. mcginty, are you engaged in a war on coal, believing, as many environmentalists do, that we to reduce reliance on fossil
fuels including coal. what do you say those across the state in the fossil fuel industry that might think their jobs are at stake if you are elected senator. ms. mcginty: let me just say, hats off to two of my six brothers who made a living as coal miners. i started my career as a chemist inventing coal dust suppressants. i am in favor of full use of energy resources. we have to tackle climate change. i go about doing that in a pro-jobs agenda. coal-fired power plants, some of those are 30-35% efficient. i would put people to work improving the efficiency of those plants. we get home that technology, manufacture that technology, and
put our people to work. i showed this when i was secretary of environmental protection, where i was taking on the toughest problems including climate change with growing jobs as the solution. we look at the clean water problems in flint, michigan, and right here in pennsylvania. that is an opportunity to put people to work. we can't be a climate denier. we have to be honest about challenges, but let's create jobs in tackling them. jon: as you know, there are many super pac's that are supporting fossil fuels who have engaged in lots of campaign ads. do you reject the science behind global warming? if reelected, will you make efforts to reduce dependence on fossil fuels? sen. toomey: any objective view
of the record shows that the surface temperature of the planet has risen. human activity has contributed to that, but it is a fact that we don't know how much human activity has contributed to it. the cost that katie mcginty and others is in the trillions of dollars. china and india will do nothing about it and the benefits, if there are any, are completely negligible. barack obama, the president of the united states, admits that there is a war on coal. i have met with these guys, seen them, i have looked in their eyes when they say, why is my own government destroyed my job, my career, my livelihood. coal is a low-cost, reliable, domestic source of energy. katie wants the epa to come in and have a regulatory power over an industry that has regulation by the dep.
ms. mcginty: this is what we have heard over decades, that if you approach environment, you are anti-jobs. i have found that to be not true. i think it is -- the senator has been rewarded for his position. putting people to work, that is what we should do. as it relates to natural gas, i have been the type of person to say let's regulate it, let's zone it. the senator wants to and taxes for corporations. sen. toomey: nobody has been
better rewarded for green energy programs and katie mcginty getting rewarded by the companies to which she finals pennsylvania tax dollars. this is what is wrong with corporate crony capitalism where politicians think they ought to allocate resources and pick winners and losers. it is bad for the economy, counterproductive for economic growth. it drives of energy bills. we all pay higher energy rates that we should because of her tax plans. lynne: i want to look at community-police relationships. in many communities, the relationships are strained, at best. hillary clinton says part of the problem is about implicit bias. developing a stereotype that can influence actions or decisions in an unconscious manner. senator toomey, do you believe implicit bias is real and it is at the root of police-community relationships? sen. toomey: i have seen as we
have all seen disturbing videos, young african-american man being shot under certain circumstances. i have said, anytime anybody does something wrong, whether the police or any other profession, there needs to be an investigation and people need to be held accountable. what i object to is the notion that the police are some kind of rogue racists causing violence. in fact, they protect us from that violence. the majority of them are good, hard-working men and women who protect us every day. i stood up against this false narrative that has maligned the police and katie mcginty has propagated that narrative. i will continue to stand up to the people who attacked us and 80 that is why i have been endorsed by every police organization that makes endorsement in pennsylvania including the philadelphia police in which ms. mcginty's father served. lynne: do i hear you saying that you don't believe that implicit
bias is real? sen. toomey: i am sure that occurs. but i don't think it is fair to characterize police generally as racists. lynne: ms. mcginty, just this past week, the association of police chiefs held a conference. they were introduced to a new method of training that is designed to de-escalate and create a tactical pause before engaging. there has been a lot of -- fop.ce from the flp you believe that retraining is a proper way to address this issue of bias? ms. mcginty: i want to start my response here, if i can come on a personal note. the senator has run on a campaign not only of his untrue
ads, ads that i find deeply offensive and my nine brothers and sisters would as well. there is only one of us on this stage who kissed her dad goodbye in the morning, not knowing when he walked his beat as a police officer whether he would come home for dinner. if he suggested that i or my family would do anything other than revere law enforcement officers, it is acceptable. we need resources in our community. my dad literally walked the beat. that is why i have proposed doubling community policing, where the police and the neighbors built bonds of trust and relationships.
de-escalation techniques are an important part of that. senator toomey has introduced legislation aptly called punish the police, where he has tried to severely define the program and has voted to end the program that gives law enforcement critical equipment. that is wrong. that endangers our safety and good public service like my dad, god rest his soul. sen. toomey: it sounds like more of how katie was the first in her family to go to college. the fact of the matter is, the police in pennsylvania pay very close attention to the members of the u.s. senate and house. they have looked at my record, they have meant me, and every police organization that makes an endorsement, the philadelphia police, even corrections officers unions, they have all endorsed me in this race. none of them have endorsed katie mcginty. ms. mcginty: that is not true. i have been endorsed by law enforcement organizations -- sen. toomey: which police -- ms. mcginty: i think it would be well for you to support police officers by making sure they
have the resources not to be unsafe on the streets. sen. toomey: and i have supported the grant programs to enable them to buy protective. equipment i introduced protective legislation, from denying them surplus military equipment, and everyone of them has endorsed me. you haven't been able to name anyone that has endorsed you. ms. mcginty: senator -- you only introduce that when you are running for reelection. your record as a member of our united states congress was to eliminate the program. sen. toomey: so you know better -- ms. mcginty: i will say that the senator also knows well, crony capitalism, as he has referred to. 80,000 of his own constituents were ripped off by wells fargo. did the senator go to that for them? ken: if we want to talk about
that later, we will. we need to pause for a quick break. we will continue with the u.s. senate debate with pat toomey and katie mcginty, after this. ken: welcome back to the debate between the candidates for u.s. senate from pennsylvania. incumbent, republican senator pat toomey, and democratic challenger katie mcginty. the next question is for ms. mcginty. both of you have supported at one time or another, new gun laws. what, in your opinion, is the most effective way to protect americans from mass shootings and other gun violence, without infringing upon the rights guaranteed by the second amendment, and something with a real, legitimate chance of passing? ms. mcginty: i think we have the chance to achieve bipartisan consensus, from commonsense measures that some 90% of pennsylvanians, including sportsmen and gunowners,
support. common sense like close the background check loopholes. common sense, like do not allow terrorists to buy weapons of war in our country. i come from a family where my brothers were hunters. we had guns, and hunting guns in the house. i don't think this is -- senator toomey did a photo op about one piece of legislation. when it came to closing the loophole that allows terrorists to buy guns in our country, he voted no, not once, but twice. what i would do is bring people to the table, and stay at the table, respectfully, with different points of view. i think we can achieve consensus around those kind of common ground, commonsense measures. ken: you know the history of gun legislation after sandy hook and legislation. give me one realistic solution.
ms. mcginty: really, two of them. closing the background check loopholes for criminals and the mentally infirm. it only lost by five votes. yet, senator toomey says the senate has spoken, let's move on. i must certainly would work to close the loophole that allows terrorists to buy guns. ken: thank you. senator toomey. sen. toomey: i think the most painful meeting that i ever had, probably in my life, certainly in my six years in the senate, was with the parents of the sandy hook massacre. it was excruciating. one of the things i respect and admire so much about those parents is monday came to me, they were not asking to have guns confiscated from law-abiding citizens. they were not asking for a ban on firearms. they asked, can we improve
background checks? i know that would go over like a lead balloon with my party, but we introduced legislation that came closer than anything else in the senate. i'm a big believer in the second amendment. i think it is a personal, individual right, and an important one. i just don't think there's a conflict between the second amendment and a three minute background check. we have had votes three times when we introduce that. when we had a debate this summer about keeping terrorists from buying firearms, i supported three different versions of that to find common ground, including working with susan collins. gabby giffords, democratic congresswoman, she has endorsed me in this campaign, because she has recognized my leadership, and the fact that it has to be bipartisan. ken: time is up. sen. toomey: katie's record of being bipartisan will not get us to common ground. ms. mcginty: it was the right
thing for joe manchin to lead the charge, and the senator to lend his name to close background check loopholes. that is why it was such a shame, that when it only failed by a couple of votes, the senator says, the senate has spoken, let's move on. even after horrible tragedies in san bernardino and orlando, the senator refused to reintroduce the bill, saying infamously, "let democrats lead." this is one of those things where we have to respect the second amendment, and we have to respect grieving parents, including those of the pennsylvania 18-year-old young lady, who was mowed down in orlando. we can act on this, and i will. sen. toomey: as i said, katie takes an extreme partisan deal on this, just like the reason she was excluded from budget negotiations in harrisburg. she will not be able to reach a common place. senator manchin and i worked
really hard to bring as many people together as we could. we introduced legislation repeatedly. we had three votes on it. when i saw an opportunity to have a background check on people on the no-fly list, i crafted the legislation to do that. when the democrats refuse to help, i worked with susan collins to get that done. i will continue to defend the second amendment of law-abiding citizens, but i will also try to get guns out of the hands of filing criminals, dangerously mentally ill people, and people on the no fly list. jon: obamacare means different things to different people. it has delivered health insurance to over 15 million uninsured through private insurance plans, and expanded medicaid. it has also raised costs. it has outlined exclusions for pre-existing conditions like cancer, and it has kept young people on their parents' insurance until age 26.
if you repeal obama care, you were people everything, the good and the bad. senator toomey, what do you like, what do you not like, and what would you change in obamacare if elected to another term? sen. toomey: let's remember all the false promises made about obama care. we were told, if you like your insurance, you can keep it. we were told that while they were systematically disqualifying whole categories. we were told, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. we were told that, even though we knew that the replacement plans would exclude all kinds of doctors. we were told we would save $2500 per family on average. all completely untrue. costs have gone through the roof, options have collapsed. deductibles have gone up. it has been the disaster i was afraid it could be. we tried to let a portion of the economy in the hands of washington bureaucrats. men and women sitting around the kitchen table should be making decisions about their family's
health care, not bureaucrats in washington. all the tax increases and bedded in it, the medical device plans, a whole another wrath of middle-class tax increases that katie mcginty supports, we need to go in another direction. i will have a transition for people currently in obamacare. a transition to a competitive, multi-marketplace across state lines. we need to bring out some of the excess cost, like excessive litigation. jon: are any part of obamacare that you like? sen. toomey: there are some features that are encouraging. for one, there has been some encouragement that we move health care in a direction, generally speaking, we're here it is treated comprehensively, and not individual treatment for services. but that is a very small part of obama care. generally speaking, it is a disaster, and it cannot be fixed because it is flawed at the
core. jon: ms. mcginty, same question, what do you like about obamacare? ms. mcginty: we have to bring down the cost. i would take down the cost of prescription drugs. under the law, we are not allowed to negotiate the cost. that is wrong. no other country in the world does that. we need transparency, so that consumers know before they have a procedure what it is going to cost. you would almost think the senator was only planning to go to washington. he has been in washington for 18 years, with a republican majority. he's got nothing done on this critical issue. i do disagree. i don't think we should put the insurance companies back in charge, said that they can charge women more than men. so that they can kick you off your insurance if you have a pre-existing condition, or if you have a child with a serious illness, and hits a lifelong cap
in terms of coverage. that is wrong. i would work to get the cost down, and a commonsense way. that is the agenda, to make sure we have affordable -- jon: but ms. mcginty, you like everything about obamacare? ms. mcginty: i do not like that we are precluded from negotiating the cost and price of prescription drugs. that is absolutely wrong. i think we need to make sure there is affordability and choice in health care. what i know for sure is that the senator has been there for 18 years, and have we seen him take on the insurance companies? no. have we seen him take on prescription drug companies? no. i will. sen. toomey: what you just heard his katie mcginty advocating that we have even more government control, and it is the government that messed this up. these are the people who couldn't roll out a website.
it was a disaster. everything about them has been much a disaster. about 40% of pennsylvanians have a grand total of one choice in the individual exchange market. what kind of choices that? what kind of competition is that? this is a failure. we need to go in a completely different direction. what katie mcginty wants to do is expand government control, have a single system, have the government dictate prices. jon: ms. mcginty, you get the last word. ms. mcginty: i was proud to help expand medicaid in pennsylvania. we have 625,000 people covered, and it was a great deal for taxpayers. it was saving $500 million a year. here's what would be a disaster. let's take one piece of what we are talking about here. i come from a family where we have seen and we know what the heartbreak of addiction looks like. under this law that senator toomey would repeal, we finally had parity, if you have a mental or behavioral health problem,
that it would be covered. the medicaid expansion that the senator would take away, 66,000 pennsylvanians with mental and behavioral health challenges now have health care. i think that is the right thing to do. we don't just take it away, but yes, i will stand up to the companies to take down the cost. jon: thank you. lynne: i want to continue the conversation about cost, but i want to look at the cost of this campaign. this senate race is the most expensive in the country, last week the amount already exceeded $60 million. senator toomey has already said he does not believe in spending limits. ms. mcginty, i would like to ask you, what do you propose is the best way to take money out of politics? ms. mcginty: i appreciate the question.
i think it is absolutely urgent. i am proud to be endorsed by an organization called end citizens united. it is 100% dedicated to getting that money out of politics, overturning citizens united, that has led this flood of dark, secret money into our politics. in a democracy, there's no room for secret checks and secret money. i would help lead the charge to overturn citizens united, and i would also go further. i think it is time for us to make it easier for people to be engaged in their political system, and to vote, with early voting, or same-day voting and registration. restoring the voting rights act, for example. senator toomey had a chance, but he voted against overturning citizens united. he has voted for, allowing all this dark money, like the koch brothers money. talk about partisan. the senator has 100% voting record with the unaccountable koch brothers.
that is not democracy in action, that is crony capitalism. lynne: senator toomey. sen. toomey: there has been an unbelievable amount of negative campaign ads. i'm staggered by the amount of money spent in this race. and we know it, it's not over yet. it is getting hard to watch tv. this is part of the reason why i suggested katie mcginty and i have five debates. this way, we would have a chance to go deeper into the issues than these 30 second sound bites. katie refused. she insisted we have no more than two. she would not do the other three debates. i have always preferred more transparency in the system. the simple it to do this is to have all this money got to candidates, and let the candidates be responsible and accountable, and require disclosure. that is what i think would be a much better approach. but the people i katie mcginty, who want to overturn citizens united, let's be clear about what this is about. it was a not-for-profit corporation that wanted to allow people to buy a documentary video about hillary clinton in
the last campaign. the government's position, which katie holmes, is the government should be able to ban that and for that it. disallow it. the government's argument was they should be able to ban books if they are about politics or politicians. the democratic senators that katie agrees with, they had a vote to amend the first amendment. the rewrite the first amendment like it hasn't served us adequately. to give politicians the power to control political speech. lynne: we will give ms. mcginty the chance to respond. ms. mcginty: the senator had the chance to vote to get the dark, secret money out of politics, and he voted no. i not only will vote yes, but i will lead the effort so we genuinely bring people's voices back to the center of our politics and democracy.
lynne: thank you. sen. toomey: again, this comes down to whether you think politicians should be able to control speech. that is what katie mcginty supports. i think that is outrageous. if the first amendment is for anything, it is to get people the power to criticize their politicians. as with the first amendment is about. it is about personal freedom and the freedom to express your position, whether you like them or not. the idea that we would give congress the power to control political speech is a terrible idea, and i'm not for it. ken: another quick break. more of this debate in a moment. ken: welcome back to the u.s. senate debate. we got right back to the questions. you know donald trump has expressed concerns that this election in pennsylvania is going to be rigged. he said he would watch
pennsylvania, go down to certain areas, watch and study, and make sure people don't vote five times. do you share this concern, and based on what evidence, if so? sen. toomey: let me be very clear about this. this is a very important question. maybe one of the most important of the evening. we have, for 240 years, we have had the most successful, most vibrant republic in the history of the world. it depends, to a large degree, on the american people having confidence in the outcome of our elections. our elections may not always be completely perfect, but they are legitimate. they have integrity. everyone needs to respect the outcome. i don't know how this race, the president's race, or any other race will come out, but we need to respect the outcome. that will be necessary to pull us all together on november 9, the day after the election. ms. mcginty: thank you. i think it is a very dangerous and reckless allegation and suggestion that donald trump has been making.
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politics. it is something i feel deeply and passionately about. i respect people who have reached a different conclusion. this is how i passionately feel. think it'st i do outrageous. like patrick murphy and hillary clinton believe no illegal. should be what i do not understand is how come the media never plans to these extremist positions -- never plans to these extremist positions on the other side? rep. murphy: my opponent does not support the right to choose in the case of rape or incest or zika. my opponent supports the
defunding of planned parenthood. he supported legislation that was later known as the scarlet letter. imagine a woman, a victim of toe taking a newspaper ad her sexualto reveal history. sen. rubio: no one knew what the law would do. this is the third time tonight dot you have implied that i not respect women. -- look at my record, look at the things i have done. some of these issues are
difficult issues. >> let's talk about donald trump again. think about who my opponent has endorsed to be the next president. bragging about sexually assaulting women. i do not need to hear a lecture from you about women's rights. florida are paid about 85% of what a man makes and you think that is a waste of time. we can domore and better. i believe you have to show up to get things done. sen. rubio: congressman murphy, the women in your office make 85% of what men do. of course, i am for equal pay for women. i have two girls that are 16 and 14. the law you are talking about
would have done nothing. suppose you are a small business, or any business, and you have two excellent employees. the woman is much better than a man. another company tries to hire her away and you try to give her a raise to keep her, you cannot unless you give the man a raise. consequencesnded that would not have achieved 30 and a. pay.rity in >> there has been a lot of questions about the legitimacy of this election. donald trump has said this election is absolutely being rigged. he is talking not just about media coverage, but saying there is voter fraud throughout the country. do you have faith in the democratic process in the state and in this country and do you believe the voters of florida
should have faith in the results on november 8? sen. rubio: absolutely. this election is not being rigged. we have 67 counties in the state, each of which conduct their own elections. the governor of the state of florida is a republican who said people who run the division of elections. there is no evidence behind any of us. do i believe people should have confidence? yes. this is a state that literally has millions of people who came here because they could not vote in the nation of their birth. rep. murphy: donald trump said it himself. he is unhinged now. he will stop at nothing --
unshackled, unhinged. he was counting at this point -- who is counting at this point? we do respect the election process. we do have fair elections where people are going to show up. senator rubio and i will tell you we will accept the results of this election. unfortunately, you are still standing by donald trump side and that is shameful. -- wordster when he is matter when it is the presidential nominee. >> on the question of cuba, congressman, you have praised obama's opening to cuba. given the continued human rights abuses on the island, do you support lifting the u.s. embargo on cuba? support the i do
president's attempts to normalize relations with cuba. i have cousins and aunts who are cuban. . understand it is a very personal issue for many people. we have had over 50 years of a failed policy that has not worked. let's give the regime what they fear the most, and that is capitalism. i do support targeted sanctions on the bad actors in the regime. sen. rubio: i am not against changes in policy toward cuba. good the opening to cuba is going. more people are in jail today than before the steel.
all 57 people have been rearrested at least once. they are still harboring fugitives. this deal is not working out for anyone except castro and his cronies. >> we turn to closing statements. rep. murphy: thank you for moderating and thank you for being here. i am proud of what i have accomplished over the last four years, proud of the cuts i was able to prevent from medicare, proud of the legislation i passed to lower flood insurance rates. . will continue to show up i am proud of my 97% voting record. marco rubio, the worst voting record of any senator from florida in nearly 50 years. one foot out the door. think about what is at stake in
this election. the u.s. supreme court hangs in the balance. climate change has to be addressed and my opponent still denies it. i am proud of the endorsements i received from the orlando sentinel, the tampa bay times, the sun sentinel. two of those endorsed my up on it but they also agree he is shirking his responsibilities. passedbio: the hour has and you have yet to hear much of a record after four years in the congress. he talked about saving cuts to medicare. he signed on to a letter. have not talked about that tonight because signing on to a letter -- that tells you everything what you need to know.
i want to continue to serve the people of florida. the work i did on behalf of some very important people, they are from puerto rico and they were given some of the most difficult assignments in korea and vietnam and no one recognized them for it. we finally got them the congressional medal of honor. just one more achievement. compare that to patrick murphy's record of doing absolutely nothing. have.t is all the time we thank you for watching. thank you to our host, the university of central florida. thank you and denied. -- thank you and good night. [applause]
>> c-span brings you more debates this week from key u.s. senate races. tuesday at 7:00 p.m. eastern, live coverage on c-span2 of the debate from indiana to succeed republican dan coats, who is not seeking reelection. republican congressman todd young faces kevin by. with louisiana00 republican david better. several candidates will take the stage, including the state treasurer, republican congressman charles boustany, and democrat carolyn they are. and at midnight, ron johnson and former democratic senator russ feingold debate for the wisconsin senate seat. live at thursday evening, candidates in the ohio senate race meet for another debate.
republican senator rob portman antenn n and democrat ted strickland. follow the race is on the c-span network, c-span.org, and on the c-span radio app c-span -- were history of full daily. -- history unfold daily. >> every four years, the presidential candidates turn from politics to humor at the al smith memorial foundation dinner to raise money for catholic charities at new york's historic waldorf-astoria hotel. >> i must say, i have traveled the banquet circuit for many years. i have never quite understood the logistics of dinners like this, and how the absence of one individual can cause three of us do not have seats. >> mr. vice president, i'm glad to see you here tonight. you said many, many times in this campaign that you want to get america back to the little guy. mr. vice president, i am that
man. >> it's an honor to share the dias with a defendant of the great al smith. al, your great-grandfather was my favorite kind of governor. the kind who ran for president and lost. >> al, you are right. a campaign can require a lot of wardrobe changes. blue jeans in the morning, suits for a lunch fundraiser, sport coat for dinner, but it is nice to finally relax and wear what we wear around the house. >> watch the al smith memorial foundation dinner with hillary clinton and donald trump, thursday night at 9:00 eastern on c-span and c-span.org. listen at 9:00 p.m. eastern with the c-span radio app. >> in ohio,