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  Presidential Nominees Debate at the University of Nevada  CSPAN  October 19, 2016 9:00pm-11:31pm EDT

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i will sit here and get ready. sharp, you hear all the networks in the back beginning to do their coverage. i'll give you notice we're going to start. we'll introduce the candidates. applause then. ality the end of the debate you can applaud all you want but in the meantime, silence. please, blessed silence.
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chris: good evening from the thomas and max center at the university of nevada-las vegas. i'm chris wallace of fox news. i welcome you to the third and final of the 2016 presidential debates between secretary of state hillary clinton and
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donald j. trump. this debate is sponsored by the commission on presidential debate. the commission has designed the format. six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. both campaigns have agreed to those rules. for the record, i decided the topics and the questions in each topic, none of those questions has been shared with the commission or the two candidates. the audience here in the hall is promised to -- has promised to remain silent. no cheer, boos or other interruptions so we and you can focus on what the candidates have to say. no noise except right now as we welcome the democratic nominee for president, secretary clinton, and the republican nominee for president, mr. trump. [applause] cheers and applause]
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secretary clinton, mr. trump, welcome. let's get right to. it the first topic is the supreme court. you both talked briefly about the court in the last debate. but i want to drill down on this, because the next president will almost certainly have at least one appointment and likely or possibly two or ree appointments which means that you will in effect determine the balance a of the court for what could be the next quarter century. first of all, where do you want to see the court take the country and secondly, what's your view on how the constitution should be interpreted? do the founders' words mean what they say, or is it a living document to be applied flexibly aye according to changing circumstances -- flexibly according to changing circumstances? secretary clinton, you go first. you have got minutes. hillary: thank you very much, chris, and thanks to unlv for hosting us.
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i think when we talk about the supreme court, it really raises the central issue in this election. namely, what kind of country are we going to be? what kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens, what kind of rights will americans have? and i feel strongly that the supreme court needs to stand on the side of the american people, not oned side of the powerful -- on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy. for me that means that we need a supreme court that will stand up on behalf of women's rights, on behalf of the rights of the lgbt community, that will stand up and say no to citizens united, a decision that has undermined the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, unaccountable money to come into our electoral system. i have major disagreements with my opponent about these issues and others that will be before
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the supreme court. but i feel that at this point in our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality, that we not reverse roe v. wade, that we stand up against citizens united, we stand up for the rights of people in the workplace, that we stand up and basically say, the supreme court should represent all of us. that's how i see the court and the kind of people that i would be looking to nominate to the court would be in the great tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of our rights as americans. and i look forward to having that opportunity. i would hope that the senate would do its job. and confirm the nominee that president obama has sent to them. that's the way the constitution fundamentally should operate. the president nominates and then the senate advises and consents or not.
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but they go forward with the process. chris: secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump, same question. where do you want to see the court take the country and how do you believe the constitution should be interpreted? donald: well, first of all, it's great to be with you and thank you, everybody. the supreme court, it's what it's all about. our country is so, so -- just so imperative that we have the right justices. something happened recently where justice ginsburg made some very, very inappropriate statements toward me and toward a tremendous number of people, many, many millions of people that i represent. and she was forced to apologize. and apologize she did. but these were statements that should never, ever have been made. we need a supreme court that, in my opinion, is going to uphold the second amendment and all amendments, but the second amendment, which is under absolute siege. i believe if my opponent should win this race, which i truly don't think will happen, we
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will have a second amendment which will be a very, very small replica of what it is right now. but i feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold because of the fact that it is under such trauma. i feel that the justices that i am going to appoint, and i've named 20 of them, the justices that i'm going to appoint will be pro-life, they will have a conservative vent. they will be protecting the second amendment. they are great scholars in all cases. and they're people of tremendous respect. they will interpret the constitution the way the founders wanted it interpreted. and i believe that's very, very important. i don't think we should have justices apointed that decide what they want to hear. the all about the constitution of -- and so important, the constitution, the way it was
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meant to be. and those are the people that i will appoint. chris: mr. trump, thank you. we now have about 10 minutes for an open discussion. i want to focus on two issues that in fact, by the justices that you named, could end up changing the existing law of the land. first is one that you mentioned, mr. trump, and that is guns. secretary clinton, you said last year, let me quote, the supreme court is wrong on the second amendment. in fact, in the 2008 heller case, the court ruled that there is a constitutional right to bear arms, but a right that is reasonably limited. those were the words of the judge antonin scalia who wrote the decision. what's wrong with that? hillary: well, first of all, i support the second amendment. i lived in arkansas for 18 wonderful years. i represented upstate new york. i understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. it goes back to the founding of our country. but i also believe that there
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can be and must be reasonable regulation. because i support the second amendment doesn't mean that i want people who shouldn't have guns to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. when i think about what we need to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. i think we need comprehensive background checks, need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loophole, there's other matters that i think are sensible, that are the kind of reforms that would make a difference, that are not in any way conflicting with the second amendment. you mentioned the heller decision and what i was saying, that you referenced, was that i disagreed with the way the court applied the second amendment in that case. because what the district of colombia was trying to do was protect toddlers from guns. so they wanted people with guns
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to safely store them. the court didn't accept that reasonable regulation. but they've accepted many others. i see no conflict between saving people's lives and defending the second amendment. chris: let me bring mr. trump in here. the bipartisan open debate coalition got billions of votes on questions to ask here and this was in fact one of the top questions that they got. how will you ensure the second amendment is protected? you just heard secretary clinton's answer. does she persuade you that while you may disagree on regulation, that in fact she supports a second amendment right to bear arms? mr. trump: the d.c. vs. heller decision was very strongly and she was extremely angry about it. i watched. she was very, very angry. when upheld. justice scalia was so involved and it was a well-crafted decision. but hillary was extremely upset. extremely angry. people that believe in the second amendment and believe in it very strongly were very
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upset with what she had to say. chris: let me bring in secretary clinton. were you extremely upset? mrs. clinton: i was upset because unfortunately dozens ofed tolers -- of toddlers injure themselves, even kill people with guns, because unfortunately not everyone who has loaded guns in their homes takes appropriate precautions. but there's no doubt that i respect the second amendment, that i also believe there's an individual right to bear arms. that is not in conflict with sensible, commonsense regulations. look, i understand that donald's been strongly supported by the nr -- n.r.a., the gun lobby's on his side, they're running millions of dollars of ads against me. and i regret that. because what i would like to see is for people to come together and say, of course we're going to protect and defend the second amendment. but we're going to do it in a way that tries to save some of these 33,000 lives that we lose every year.
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chris: let me bring mr. trump back into that. in fact you opposed any limits on assault weapons, any limits on high-capacity magazines, you support a national right to carry law. why, sir? mr. trump: let me just tell you before we go any further. in chicago, which has the toughest gun laws in the united states, probably you could say by far they have more gun violence than any other city. so we have the toughest laws and you have tremendous gun violence. i am a very strong supporter of the second amendment. and i am -- i don't know if it in a s saying sarcastic manner, but i'm very proud to have the endorsement of the n.r.a. and it was the earliest endorsement they've ever given to anybody who ran for president. so i'm very honored by all of that. we are going to appoint justices, this is the best way to help the second amendment, we are going to appoint justices that will feel very strongly about the second amendment, that will not do damage to the second amendment.
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chris: let's pick up on another issue which divides you. and the justices that whoever ends up winning this election appoints could have a dramatic effect there, and that's the issue of abortion. mr. trump, you're pro-life. i want to ask you specifically, do you want the court, including the justices that you will name, to overturn roe v. wade, which includes, in fact states, a woman's right to abortion? mr. trump: if that would happen, because i am pro-life, and i will be appointing pro-life judges, i would think that that will go back to the individual states. chris: i'm asking you specifically, would you -- mr. trump: if they overturned it, it will go back to the states. chris: do you want to see the court overturn -- you just said you want to see the court protect the second amendment. do you want to see the court overturn roe v. wade? mr. trump: if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that's what's -- that will happen. that will happen automatically in my opinion. because i am putting pro-life justices on the court.
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i will say this. it will go back to the states and the states will then make a determination. chris: secretary clinton? mrs. clinton: i strongly support roe v. wade, which guarantees a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult in many cases decisions about her health care that one can imagine. in this case, it's not only about roe v. wade. it is about what's happening right now in america. so many states are putting very stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising that choice. to the extent that they are defunding planned parenthood, which of course provides all kinds of cancer screenings and other benefits for women in our country. donald has said he's in favor of defunding planned parenthood. he even supported shutting the government down to defund planned parenthood. i will defend planned parenthood. i will defend roe v. wade and i
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will defend women's rights to make their own health care decisions. we have come too far to have that turned back now and indeed he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions. and i could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. chris: i'm going to give you a chance to responds, but i want to ask you secretary clinton, i want to explore how far you believe the right to abortion goes. you have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no constitutional rights, you also voted against a ban on late-term partial birth abortions. why? mrs. clinton: because roe v. wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortions so long as the life and the health of the mother are taken into account. when i voted as a senator, i did not think that that was the case. the kinds of cases that stall
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at the end of pregnancy are often the most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. i have met with women who have, toward the end of their pregnancy, get the worst news one could get. that their health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term. or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. i do not think the united states government should be stepping in and making those most personal of decisions. you can regulate if you are doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken into account. chris: mr. trump, your reaction, particularly on this issue of late-term partial birth abortion. mr. trump: i think the terrible. if you go with what hillary is saying, in the ninth month, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother. just prior to the birth of the baby. you can say that that's ok and hillary can say that that's ok,
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but it's not ok with me. because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb. in the ninth month. on the final day. and that's not acceptable. mrs. clinton: that is not what happens in these cases. using that kind of scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. you should meet with some of the women that i've met with, women i've known over the course of my life. this is one of the worst possible choices that any woman in her -- and her family has to make. and i do not believe the government should be making it. i've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. i've been to countries where governments either force women to have abortions like they used to do in china. or forced women to bear children like they used to do in romania. and i can tell you, the government has no business in the decisions that women make
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with their families in accordance with their faith, with medical advice, and i will stand up for that right. chris: all right. just briefly, i want to move on -- mr. trump: honestly, nobody has business doing what i just said. doing that. as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. nobody has that. chris: let's move on to the subject of immigration. there is almost no issue that separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration. actually, there are a lot of issues that separate the two of you. [laughter] mr. trump, you want to build a wall, secretary clinton, you have offered no specific plan for how you want to secure our southern border. mr. trump, you are calling for major deportations. secretary clinton, you say that within your first 100 days as president you're going to offer a package that includes a pathway to citizenship. the question really is, why are you right and your opponent wrong. mr. trump, you go first in this segment. you have two minutes. mr. trump: first of all, she wants to give amnesty which is a disaster and very unfair to
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all of the people waiting in line for many, many years. we need strong borders. in the audience tonight we have four mothers of -- i mean, these are unbelievable people that i've gotten to know over a period of years, whose children have been killed, brutally killed, by people that came into the country illegally. you have thousands of mothers and fathers and relatives all over the country, they're coming in illegally, drugs are pouring in through the border. we have no country if we have no border. hillary wants to give amnesty. she wants to have open borders. the border -- as you know, the border patrol agent, 16,500 plus i.c.e. last week endorsed me. first time they've ever endorsed a candidate. it means their job is tougher. but they know what's going on. they know it better than anybody. they want strong borders. they feel we have to have strong borders. i was up in new hampshire the other day, the biggest complaint they have with all of the problems going on in the world, many of the problems caused by hillary clinton and by barack obama, all of the
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problems, their single biggest problem is heroin that pours across our southern borders. just pouring in and destroying their youth. the poisoning blood of their youth and plenty of other people. we have to have strong borders. we have to keep the drugs out of our country. right now we're getting the drugs, they're getting the cash. we need strong borders, we need absolute -- we cannot give amnesty. i want to build a wall. we need the wall. the border patrol, i.c.e., they all want the wall. we stop the drugs, we shore up the border. one of my first acts will be to get all of the drug lords, all of the bad one, we have some bad, bad people in this country that have to go out. we're going to get them out, we're going to secure the border, and once the border is secured at a later date, we'll make a determination as to the rest. we have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. chris: mr. trump, thank you. same question to you, secretary clinton. basically, why are you right and mr. trump is wrong?
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mrs. clinton: as he was talking about i was -- talking, i was thinking about a young girl i met here in las vegas, carla, who was very worried that her parents might be deported because she was born in this country, but they were not. they work hard, they do everything they can to give her a good life. and you're right. i don't want to rip families apart. i don't want to be sending parents away from children, i don't want to see the deportation force that donald has talked about in action in our country. we have 11 million undocumented people. they have four million american citizen children. 15 million people. he said as recently as a few week ago in fee knick, that every undocumented -- phoenix, that every undocumented person would be subject to deportation. here's what that means. it means you would have to have a massive law enforcement presence. where law enforcement officers would be going school to school, home to home, business to business, rounding up people who are undocumented.
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and we would then have to put them on trains, on buses, to get them out of our country. i think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we are as a nation. i think it's an idea that would rip our country apart. i have been for border security for years. i voted for border security in the united states senate. and my comprehensive immigration reform plan, of course, includes border security. but i want to put our resources where i think they're most needed. getting rid of any violent person, anybody who should be deported, we should deport them. when it comes to the wall that donald talked about building, he went to mexico, we had a meeting with the mexican president. didn't even raise it. he choked. and then got into a twitter war because the mexican president said, we're not paying for that wall. so i think we are both a nation of immigrants and we are a nation of laws. and that we can act accordingly
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and that's why i'm introducing comprehensive immigration reform within the first 100 days, with a path to citizenship. chris: thank you, secretary clinton. i want to follow up -- mr. trump: i think i should respond to that. first of all, i had a very good meeting with the president of mexico. very nice man. we will be doing very much better with mexico on trade deals, believe me. the nafta deal signed by her husband's one of the worst deals ever made of any kind, signed by anybody. it's a disaster. hillary clinton wanted the wall. hillary clinton fought for the wall. in 2006. or therebies. she -- thereabouts. she never gets anything done, so naturaly the wall wasn't built. but hillary clinton wanted the wall. chris: sir -- mr. trump: we are a country of laws. chris: i'd like to hear from secretary clinton. mrs. clinton: i voted for border security. and there are -- mr. trump: and the wall. mrs. clinton: there are some limited places where that was appropriate. there also is necessarily going to be new technology and how
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best to deploy that. but it is clear when you look at what donald has been proposing, he started his campaign bashing immigrants, calling mexican immigrants rapists and criminals and drug dealers. he has a very different view about what we should do to deal with immigrants. what i am also arguing is that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the shadows, putting them into the formal economy, will be good. because then employers can't exploit them and undercut americans' wages. donald knows a lot about this. he used undocumented labor to build the trump tower. he underpaid undocumented workers and when they complained he basically said what a lot of employers do. you complain, i'll get you deported. i want to get everybody out of the shadows, get the economy working, and not let employers like donald exploit undocumented workers, which hurts them, but also hurts american workers. chris: mr. trump. mr. trump: president obama has
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moved millions of people out. nobody knows about it, nobody talks about it. but under obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country. they've been deported. she doesn't want to say that. but that's what's happened. and that's what's happened big league. as far as moving these people -- we either we, have a country or we don't, we're a country of laws. we either have a border or we don't. you can come back in and become a citizen, but it's very unfair. we have millions people that did it the right way. they're in line, they're waiting. we're going to speed up the process big league because it's very inefficient. but they're in line and they're waiting to become citizens. very unfair that somebody runs across the border, becomes a citizen, under her plan you have open borders, you would have a disaster on trade and you will have a disaster with your open borders. what she doesn't say is that president obama has deported millions and millions of people just the way it is. chris: secretary clinton -- mrs. clinton: we will not have open borders. that is a rank mischaracterization.
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we will have secure borders, but we will also have reform. this used to be a bipartisan issue. ronald reagan was the last president to sign -- chris: secretary clinton -- mrs. clinton: and george w. bush supported it as well. chris: i want to clear up your position on this issue. because in a speech you gave to a brazilian bank for which you were paid $225,000, we've learned from the wicky leaks, that you said -- wikileaks, that you said this, and i want to quote. my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders. so -- mr. trump: thank you. chris: that's the question. [laughter] that's the question. please quiet, everybody. is that your dream? open borders? mrs. clinton: if you went on to read the rest of the citizens, -- sentence, i was talking about energy. we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. i do want us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders. i think that will be a great benefit to us.
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you are very clearly quoting from wikileaks and what's really important about wikileaks is that the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans. they have hacked american websites, american accounts of private people, of institutions, then they have given that information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. this has come from the highest levels of the russian government. clearly from putin himself, in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed, to influence our election. so i actually think the most important question of this evening, chris, is, finally, admit and trump condemn that the russians are doing this and make it clear that he will not have the help of putin in this election, that he rejects russian espionage
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against americans, which he actually encouraged in the past? those are the questions we need answered. we've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before. mr. trump: that was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders. ok? [laughter] how did we get onto puten? chris: hold on -- mr. trump: no. chris: hold on, folks. this is going end to up getting out of control. let's keep it quiet for the candidates and the american people. mr. trump: to finish on the borders. she wants open borders. people are going to pour into our country. people are going to come in from syria, she wants 550% more people than barack obama. he has thousands and thousands of people that have no idea where they come from and you see, we are going to stop radical islamic terrorism in this country. she won't even mention the words and neither will president obama. i just want to tell you, she wants open borders, now we can talk about putin. i don't know putin. he said nice things about me. if we got along well, that would be good.
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if russia and the united states got along well and went after isis, that would be good. he has no respect for her, he has no respect for our president, and i'll you what, we're in -- i'll tell you what, we're in very serious trouble. because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1,800 by the way, where they expanded and we didn't, 1,800 nuclear warheads and she's playing chicken. look, putin -- from everything i see has no respect for this person. mrs. clinton: that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the united states. mr. trump: no puppet. mrs. clinton: the pretty clear -- mr. trump: you're the puppet. mrs. clinton: the pretty clear you won't admit that the russians have engaged in cyberattacks against the united states of america, that you encouraged espionage against our people, that you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list, rake up nato, do whatever he wants to do -- break up
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nato, do whatever he want to do, and that you continue to get help from him because he has a very clear favorite in this race. i think that this is such an unprecedented situation. we've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. we have 17, 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattack, come from the highest levels of the kremlin, and they are designed to influence our elections. i find that deeply disturbing. i think -- mr. trump: she has no idea whether it's russia or china or anybody else. mrs. clinton: i'm not quoting myself. i'm quoting 17 -- do you doubt 17 -- military and civilian agencies? mr. trump: yeah, i doubt it. mrs. clinton: he'd rather believe vladimir putin than the military and civilian intelligence professionals who are sworn to protect us.
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i find that just absolutely -- mr. trump: she doesn't like putin because putin has outsmarted her at every step of the way. excuse me. putin has outsmarted her in syria, he's outsmarted her every step of the way. chris: i do get to ask some questions. i would like to ask you this direct question. the top national security officials of this country do believe that russia has been behind these hacks. even if you don't know for sure whether they are, do you condemn any interference by russia in the american election? mr. trump: by russia or anybody else. chris: uconn democrat their interference? mr. trump: of course i condemn. i don't know putin. i never met putin. this is not my best friend. but if the united states got along with russia, wouldn't be so bad. putin has outsmarted her and obama at every single step of the way. whether it's syria, you name. it missiles. take a look at the start upthat they signed. the russians have said,
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according to many, many reports, i can't believe they allowed us to do this. they create warheads and we can't. the russians can't believe it. she has been outsmarted by putin and all you have to do is look at the middle east. they've taken over. we've spent $6 trillion, they've taken over the middle east. she has been outsmarted and outplayed worse than anybody i've ever seen in any government whatsoever. chris: we're a long way away from immigration but i'm going to let you finish this topic. you got about 45 seconds. mr. trump: she always will be. mrs. clinton: i find it ironic that he's raising nuclear weapons. this is a person who has been very cavalier, even casual, about the use of nuclear weapons. mr. trump: wrong. mrs. clinton: he's advocated more countries, japan, korea, even saudi arabia, he's said, well, if we have them, why don't we use them, which i think is terrifying. but here's the deal. the bottom line on nuclear weapons is, when the president gives the order, it must be
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followed. there's about four minutes between the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. that's why 10 people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out and in an unprecedented way say they would not trust donald trump with the nuclear codes or to have his finger on the nuclear button. mr. trump: i have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing me, 21 congressional medal of honor recipients, as far as japan and other countries, we are being ripped off by everybody -- we're defending other countries. we are spending a fortune doing it. they have the bargain of the century. all i said is, we have to renegotiate these agreements because our country cannot afford to defend saudi arabia, japan, germany, south korea and many other places. we cannot continue to afford it. she took that as saying nuclear .eapons
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look, she's been proven to be a liar on so many different ways. this is just another lie. mrs. clinton: i'm just quoting you. mr. trump: there's no quote. you're not going to find a quote from me. mrs. clinton: nuclear competition in asia, you said, go ahead, enjoy yourself, folks. that kind of -- mr. trump: and defend yourselves. mrs. clinton: well. mr. trump: i didn't say nuclear. and defend yourself. mrs. clinton: the united states has kept the peace through our alliances. donald wants to tear up our alliances. i think it makes the world safer and, frankly, it makes the united states safer. i would work with our allies in asia, in europe, in the middle east, and elsewhere. that's the only way we're going -- chris: we are going to move on to the next topic. which is the economy. i hope we handle that as well as we did immigration. you also have very different ideas about how to get the economy growing faster. secretary clinton in your plan,
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government plays a big role. you see more government spending, more indictments, more tax credits, more tax penalties. mr. trump, you want to get government out, with lower taxes and less regulation. we're going to drill down into this a little bit. in this overview, please explain to me why you believe that your plan will create more jobs and growth for this country, and your opponent's plan will not. in this round you go first, secretary clinton. mrs. clinton: i think when the middle class thrivebs, america thrives. my plan is based on growing the economy, giving middle class families many more opportunities. i want us to have the biggest jobs program since world war ii. jobs in infrastructure and advanced manufacturing, i think we can compete with high-wage countries. i believe we should. new jobs and clean energy, not only to fight climate change, which is a serious problem, but to create new opportunities and new businesses. i want us to do more to help small bills.
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that's where 2/3 of the new jobs are going to come from. i want us to raise the national minimum wage. because people who live in poverty should not -- who work full time should not still be in poverty. i sure do want to make sure women get equal pay for the work we do. i feel strongly that we have to have an education system that starts with preschool and goes through college. that's why i want more technical education and high school -- in high schools and in community colleges, real apprenticeships, to prepare young people for the jobs of the future. i want to make college debt-free and for families making less than $125,000, will you not get a tuition bill from a public college or university, if the plan that i worked on with bernie sanders is enacted. we're going to work hard to make sure that it is. because we are going to go where the money is. most of the gains in the last years since the great recession have gone to the very top. so we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share. we're going to have corporations make a
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contribution greater than they are now to our country. been a plan that has anlitesed by independent experts, which said that it could produce 10 million new jobs. by contrast, donald's plan has been analyzed to conclude it might lose 3 1/2 million jobs. why? because his whole plan is to cut taxes, to give the biggest tax breaks ever to the wealthy and to corporations. adding $20 trillion to our debt, and causing the kind of dislocation that we have seen before. because it truly will be trickle-down economics on steroids. so the plan i have i think will actually produce greater opportunities. the plan he has will cost us jobs and possibly lead to another great recession. chris: secretary, thank you. mr. trump, why will your plan create more jobs and growth than secretary clinton's? mr. trump: first of all, before i start on my plan, her plan is going to raise taxes and even double your taxes. her tax plan is a disaster. she can say all she wants about
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college tuition and i'm a big proponent, we're going to do a lot of things for college tuition. but the rest of the public's going to be paying for it. we will have a massive, massive tax increase under hillary clinton's plan. i'd like to start off where we left. because when i said japan and germany and i'm not singling them out, but south korea, these are very rich, powerful countries. saudi arabia. nothing but money. we protect saudi arabia. why aren't they paying? she immediately, when she heard this, i questioned it and i questioned nato, why aren't they paying? because they weren't paying. since i did this a year ago, all of a sudden they're paying. i've been given a lot of credit for it. all of a sudden they're starting to pay up. they have to pay up. we're protecting people. they have to pay up. i'm a big fan of nato. but they have to pay up. she comes out and said, we love our allies, we think our allies are great. well, it's awfully hard to get them to pay up when you have somebody saying, we think how great they are. we have to tell japan in a very
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nice way, we have to tell germany, all of these countries, south korea, we have to say, you have to help us out. we have, during his regime, during president obama's regime, we've doubled our national debt. we're up to $20 trillion. so my plan, we're going to renegotiate trade deals. we're going to have a lot of free trade. more free trade than we have right now. but we have horrible deals. our jobs are being taken out by the deal that her husband signed. nafta. one of the worst deal ever. our jobs are being sucked out of our economy. you look at all of the places i just left, you go to pennsylvania, you go to ohio, you go to florida, you go to any of them, you go upstate new york, our jobs have fled to mexico and other places. we're bringing our jobs back. i am going to renegotiate 1/2 at it. if i can't make a great deal -- nafta. if i can't make a great deal we're going to terminate nafta and make new deals. we're going to have trade. we're going to terminate it, we're going to make a great trade deal. if we can't, we're going to do it, we're going to go a separate way. because it has been a disaster.
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we're going to cut taxes massively. we're going to cut business taxes massively. they're going to start hiring people. we're going to bring the 2ds.5 trillion that's offshore back into the country -- $2.5 trillion that's offshore back into the country. we're going to start the engine rolling again because our country is dying at 1% g.d.p. mrs. clinton: let me translate that if i can, chris. mr. trump: you can't. mrs. clinton: the fact is he's going to advocate for the largest tax cuts we've ever seen. three times more than the tax cuts under the bush administration. i have said repeatedly throughout this campaign, i will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less. i also will not add a penny to the debt. i have costed out what i'm going to do. he will, through his massive tax cuts, add $0 trillion to the debt -- $20 trillion to the debt. he mentioned the debt. we know how to get control of the debt. when my husband was president, we went from a 3ds00 billion deficit to a $-- $300 billion
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deficit to a $200 billion surplus. we were on a path to eliminating the national debt. when president obama came into office, he inherited the worst economic disaster since the great depression. he cut the deficit by 2/3. so, yes, one of the ways you go after the debt, one of the way you create jobs, is by investing in people. do i have investments, investments in new jobs, investments in education, skill training, and the opportunities for people to get ahead and stay ahead. that's the kind of approach that will work. cutting taxes on the wealthy, we've tried that. it has not worked the way that it has been promised. chris: i want to pursue your plan. because in many ways it is similar to the obama stimulus plan in 2009. which has led to the slowest g.d.p. growth since 1949. mr. trump: correct. chris: thank you, sir. you told me in july, when we spoke, that the problem is that
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president obama didn't get to do enough in what he was trying to do with this stimulus. is your plan basically more -- even more of the obama stimulus? mrs. clinton: it's a combination. let me say that when you inherit the level of economic catastrophe that president obama inherited, it was a real touch and go situation. i was in the senate before i became secretary of state. i've never seen people as physically distraught as the bush administration's team was because of what was happening to the economy. i personally believe that the steps that president obama took saved the economy. he doesn't get the credit he deserves for taking some very hard positions. but it was a terrible recession. so now we've dug ourselves out of it, we're standing, but we're not yet running, so what i am proposing is that we invest from the middle-out and
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the ground-up. not the top-down. that is not going to work. that's why what i have put forward doesn't add a penny to the debt. but it is the kind of approach that will enable more people to take those new jobs, higher paying jobs. we're beginning to see some increase in incomes. and we certainly have had a long string of increasing jobs. we've got to do more to get the whole economy moving and that's what i believe i will be able to do. chris: mr. trump, even conservative economists who have looked at your plan say that the numbers don't add up. that your idea and you've talked about 25 million jobs created, 4% -- mr. trump: over a 10-year period. chris: is unrealistic. they say, you talk a lot about growing the energy industry, they say with oil prices as low as they are right now, that's unrealistic as well. your response? mr. trump: i just left some high representatives of india. they're growing at 8%.
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china is growing at 7%. and after them is a catastrophically low number. we are growing, our last report came out and the around the 1% level, and i think the going down. last week, as you know, the end of last week, they came out with an anemic jobs report. a terrible jobs report. in fact, i said, is that the last jobs report before the election? because if it is, i should win easily. it was so bad. the report was so bad. our country is stagnant. we've lost our jobs. we've lost our businesses. we're not making things anymore. relatively speaking. our product is pouring in from china, pouring in from vietnam, pouring in from all over the world. i've visited so many communities, this has been such an incredible education for me. i've gotten to know so many, i've developed so many friends over the last year. they cry when they see what's happened. i pass factories that were thriving 20, 25 years ago. and because of the bill that her husband signed and she
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blessed 100%, it is just horrible what's happened to these people in these communities. she can say that her husband did well. but, boy, did they suffer, as nafta kicked in, because it didn't really kick in very much. but it kicked in after they left. boy, did they suffer. that was one of the worst things that's ever been signed by our country. now she want to sign trans-pacific partnership. she wants it -- she lied when she said she didn't call it the gold standard in one of the debates. she totally lied. she did call it the gold standard. and they actually fact checked and said i was right. i was so honored. chris: i want to give you a chance to briefly speak to. that then i want to -- to that. then i want to pivot. this is obamacare. go ahead, briefly. mrs. clinton: let me say, number one, when i saw the final agreement for t.p.p. i said i was against it. it didn't meet my tests. i've had the same tests. does it create jobs, raise incomes, and further or national security? i'm against it now, i'll be against it after the election. i'll be against it when i'm president. there's only one of us on this
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stage who's actually shipped jobs to mexico. because that's donald. he's shipped jobs to 12 countries. including mexico. he mentioned china. you know, one of the biggest problems we have this with china is the illegal -- we have with china is the illegal dumps of steel and aluminum into our markets. i've fought against that, as senator i stood up against it, as secretary of state. donald has bought chinese steel and aluminum. the trump hotel right here in las vegas was made with chinese steel. so he goes around with crocodile tears about how terrible it is, but he has given jobs to chinese steel workers, not american steel workers. that's the kind of approach that is just not going to work. we're going to pull the country together, we're going to have trade agreements that we enforce. that's why i'm going to have a trade prosecutor for the first time in history. and we're going to enforce those agreements. we're going to look for businesses that help us by buying american products. mr. trump: i ask a simple question. she's been doing this for 30 years. why the hell didn't you do it
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over the last 15, 20 years? you were very much involved. mrs. clinton: i voted -- mr. trump: excuse me. my turn. you were very much involved in this aspect of our country, very much. and you do have experience. the one thing you have over me is experience. but the bad experience. because what you've done has turned out badly. for 30 years you've been in a position to help. if you say that i used steel or i used something else, i make it impossible for me to do that. i wouldn't mind. the problem is you talk but you don't get anything done, hillary. you don't. just like when you ran the state department. $6 billion was missing. how do you miss $6 billion? you ran the state department, $6 billion was either stolen, they don't know. it's gone. $6 billion. if you become president, this country is going to be in some mess. believe me. mrs. clinton: first of all, what he just said about the state department is not only untrue, it's been did you
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bunked -- debunked numerous times. i think it's really an important issue. he raised the 30 years of experience. let me talk briefly about that. back in the 1970's, i worked for the children's defense fund and i was taking on discrimination against african-american kids in schools. he was getting sued by the justice department for racial discrimination in his apartment buildings. in the 1980's i was working to reform the schools in arkansas. he was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. in the 1990's i went to beijing and i said, women's rights are human rights. he insulted a former miss universe, called her an eating machine. and on the day when i was in the situation room monitoring the raid that brought osama bin laden to justice, he was hosting the "celebrity apprentice." so i'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience, what i've done for this country, trying to help in every way i could, especially kids and families
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get ahead and stay ahead, with your 30 years. and i'll let the american people make that decision. mr. trump: i think i did a much better job. i built a massive company, a great company. some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world. worth many, many billions of dollars. i started with a $1 million loan. i agree with that. the a $1 million loan. but i built -- it's a $1 million loan. but i built a phenomenal company. if we could run our country the way i've run my company, we would have a country that you would be so proud of. you would even be proud of it. and frankly, when you look at her real record, take a look at syria. take a look at the migration. take a look at libya. take a look at iraq. she gave us isis because her and obama created this huge vacuum. a small group came out of that huge vacuum because we should have never been in iraq, but once we were there, we should have never got out the way they wanted to get out. she gave us isis as sure as you are sitting there, and what happened is now isis is in 32
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countries and now i listen how she's going to get rid of isis. she's going to get rid of nobody. chris: we are going to get to foreign hot spots in a few moments. but the next segment is fitness to be president of the united states. mr. trump, at the last debate, you said your talk about grabbing women was just that, talk. and that you'd never actually done it. since then, as we all know, nine women have come forward and said that you either groped them or kissed them without their consent. why would so many different women from so many different circumstances over so many different years, why would they all in this last couple of weeks make up, you deny this, why would they all make up these stories, and since this is a question for both of you, secretary clinton, mr. trump says what your husband did and that you defended was even worse, mr. trump, you go first. mr. trump: first of all, those
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stories have been largely debunked. those people, i don't know those people. i have a feeling how they came. i believe it was her exabe that did it -- campaign that did it. just like if you look at what came out today on the clips, where i was wondering, what happened with my rally in chicago, and other rallies where we had such violence? sn she's the one, and obama, that caused the violence. they hired people, they paid them $1,500, and they're on tape saying, be violent, cause fights, do bad things. i would say the only way -- because those stories are all totally false, i have to say that. i didn't even apologize to my wife who's sitting right here, because i didn't do anything. i didn't know any of these women. i didn't see these women. these women, the woman on the plane, the woman -- i think they want either fame or her campaign did it. i think it's her campaign. because what i saw, what they did, which is a criminal act by the way, where they're telling people to go out and start fist fights and start violence, i'll
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tell you what, in particular in chicago, people were hurt and people could have been killed in that riot. and that was now all on tape. started by her. i believe that she got these people to step forward. if it wasn't, they get their 10 minutes of fame. they were all totally -- it was all fiction. it was lies and it was fiction. mrs. clinton: at the last debate, we heard donald talking about what he did to women. and after that, a until of women have come forward -- a number of women have come forward saying that's exactly what he did to them. what was his response? well, he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to those women because they were not attractive enough for them to be assaulted. mr. trump: i did not say. that mrs. clinton: in fact, he went on to say -- chris: her two minutes are her
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two minutes. mr. trump: i did not say. that mrs. clinton: he went on to say, loo look at her. i don't think so. about another woman he said, that wouldn't be my first choice. he attacked the woman reporter writing the story, called her disgusting, as he has called a number of women during this campaign. donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self-worth, and i don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. so we now know what donald thinks and what he says and how he acts toward women. that's who donald is. i think it's really up to all of us to demonstrate who we are and who our country is and to stand up and be very clear about what we expect from our next president, how we want to bring our country together, where we don't want to have the
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kind of pitting of people one against the other, where instead we celebrate our diversity, we lift people up, and we make our country even greater. america is great because america is good. it really is up to all of us to make that true, now and in the future, and particularly for our children and our grandchildren. chris: mr. trump -- mr. trump: nobody has more respect for women than i do. nobody. [laughter] nobody has more -- chris: please, everybody. mr. trump: frankly, those stories have been largely debunked. i really want to just talk about something slightly different. she mentions this, which is all fiction, all fiction lies, probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazey campaign. but i will tell you, what isn't fictionalized are her emails where she destroyed 33,000
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emails, criminally. criminally. after getting a subpoena from the united states congress. what happened to the f.b.i.? i don't know. we have a great general, four star general, today, you read it in all the papers, the one who potentially served five years in jail for lying to the f.b.i.. one lie. she's lied hundreds of times to the people, to congress, and to the f.b.i. he's going to probably go to jail. this is a four-star general. and she gets away with it. and she can run for the presidency of the united states . that's really what you should be talking about. not fiction, where somebody wants fame or where they come out of her crooked campaign. chris: secretary clinton. mrs. clinton: every time donald has pushed -- is pushed on something, which is obviously uncomfortable, like what these women are saying, he
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immediately goes to denying responsibility, and the not just about women. he never apologized or says he's sorry for anything -- apologizes or says he's sorry for anything. we know what he's said and done to women. but he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and memiced him on national television. mr. trump: wrong. mrs. clinton: he went after mr. and mrs. kahn, the parents of a young man who died serving our country, a gold star family, because of their religion. he went after john mccain, a prisoner of war, said he prefers people who aren't captured. he went after a federal judge, born in indiana, but who donald said couldn't be trusted to try the fraud and racketeering case against trump university because his parents were mexican. so, the not one thing, this is a pattern. a pattern of divisiveness, of a
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very dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our country. where he insights violence, where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies. that is not who america is. and i hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign, more and more people will understand what's at stake in this election. it really does come down to what kind of country we are going to have. mr. trump: so sad when she talks about violence at my rallies and she caused the violence. it's on tape. the other things are false. but honestly, i'd love to talk about getting rid of isis and i'd love to talk about other things. those other chargers, as she knows, they're false. chris: in this buchter about fitness to be president, there's -- bucket about fitness to be president, there's been a lot of developments over the last 10 days, since the last debate, i'd like to ask you about them. these are questions that the american people have. secretary clinton, during your
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2009 senate confirmation hearing, you promised to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest with your dealing with the clinton show donors got you werebut e-s special access to you. those seeking grants for haiti relief were considered separately from non-donors, and some of those donors got government contracts, taxpayer money. can you really say you have kept your pledge to that senate committee, and why isn't what happened, what went on between you and the clinton foundation, why isn't that what mr. trump calls pay to play? mrs. clinton: everything i did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country's interests and our values. the state department has said that. i think that has been proven. but i am happy in fact i am thrilled to talk about the clinton foundation, because it is a world-renowned charity, and i'm so proud of the work that it does. i could talk for the rest of the
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debate. i know i don't have the time to do that. but just briefly, the clinton foundation made it possible for 11 million people around the world with hiv-aids to afford treatment. that is about half of all the people in the world who are getting treatment. in partnership with the american health association, we have made environments in schools healthier. chris: secretary clinton, respectfully, this is an open discussion. mrs. clinton: it is an open discussion. chris: the question, do you want to talk about it -- mrs. clinton: there is no evidence -- mr. trump: it has been very well studied. it is a criminal enterprise. it is a criminal enterprise. saudi arabiaq giving $25 billion. atar, all of these countries. you talk about women, women's rights. these are people who push gays off of buildings. these are people who kill women and treat women horribly, and yet you take their money.
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so i would like to ask you right now, why don't you give back the money that you have taken from certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? why don't you give back the money? i think it would be a great gesture, because she takes a tremendous amount of money, and you take a look at the people of haiti. otherin little haiti the day in florida, and i want to tell you, they hate the clintons, because what has happened in haiti with the clinton foundation is a disgrace. you know it, they know it, and everybody knows it. mrs. clinton: very quickly, we at the clinton foundation spend 90%, 90% of all the money that is donated on behalf of programs for people around the world and in our own country. i am very proud of that. we have the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations. i would be happy to compare what we do with the trump foundation, which took money from other people and bought a six foot portrait of donald.
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i mean, who does that? it just was astonishing. when it comes to haiti, haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere. the earthquake, the hurricanes have devastated haiti. bill and i have been involved in trying to help haiti for many years. the clinton foundation raised $30 million to help haiti after the catastrophic earthquake, and all of the terrible problems of people there had. we have done things to help small businesses, agriculture, and so much else, and we are going to keep working to help haiti, because it is an important part of the american -- mr. trump: i would like to mention one thing. the trump foundation, people contribute, i contribute, and the money goes 100%, 100% goes to different charities, including a lot of military. i don't get anything. i don't buy boats, i don't buy planes. chris: wasn't some of the money used to sell your lawsuit? mr. trump: we've put up the
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american flag. that's it. we fought for the right in palm beach to put up the american flag. chris: there was a penalty imposed by palm beach county, paid out by your foundation. mr. trump: the money went to fisher house, where they build houses. the money you are talking about went to fisher house, where they don't houses for veterans and disabled -- mrs. clinton: of course, there is no way whether we can know if any of that is true, because he has not released his tax returns. he is the first candidate to ever run for president in the last 40 plus years who has not released his tax returns, so everything he says about charity or anything else, we can't prove it. you can look at our tax returns. we have done all out -- we have all them out there. what is really troubling, we learned in the last debate, he has not paid a penny in federal income tax. we were talking about immigrants a few minutes ago, chris. , you know half of all immigrants, undocumented immigrants in our country
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actually pay federal income tax. immigrantsocumented in america who are paying more federal income tax than a billionaire. i find that astonishing. mr. trump: we are entitled because of the laws that people like her passed to take massive amounts of depreciation and other charges, and we do it. just about all of her donors, hundreds of millions of dollars on george soros, let me just explain, all of her donors, most of her donors -- you know what she should have done? you know what you should have done? you should have changed the law when you were a united states senator, because your donors, your special interests are doing the same thing as i do, except even more so. you should have changed the law, but you will not change the law, because you take in so much money. i sat in my apartment today, on a very -- in a very beautiful hotel down the street. mrs. clinton: built with chinese steel. mr. trump: i sat there watching
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paid for by all your friends on wall street who spent so much money because they know you will protect them. if you don't like what i did, you should have changed the law. chris: i want to ask you about one last question in this topic. you have been warning at rallies recently that this election is clintonand that hillary is in the process of trying to steal it from you. your running mate, governor pence, pledged on sunday that he and you will, his words, absolutely accept the result of this election. today your daughter ivanka. said the same thing i want to ask you, do you make the same commitment, sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? mr. trump: i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i will look at it at the time.
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what i have seen is so bad. first of all, the media is so corrupt, and so the pile on is so amazing the "new york times" actually wrote an article about it. it is so dishonest, and the poison the minds of the voters. for them i think the voters will see through it. i think they will see through it. chris: but sir -- mr. trump: excuse me, chris. if you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people who are registered to vote, this is not coming from me, this is coming from other places, millions of people that are registered to vote that should not be registered to vote. so, let me just give you one other thing. i talk about the corrupt media. i talk about the millions of people. tell you one other thing. she should not be allowed to run. it is crooked. she is guilty of a very, very serious crime. she should not be allowed to run, and just in that respect, i say it is rigged, because she
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should never, chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things. chris: fetzer, there is a trip -- but sir, there is a tradition in this country the peaceful transition of power, and the matter how hard fought a campaign is, at the end of the campaign, the loser concedes to the winner. not saying you are necessarily going to be the loser or the winter, but that the loser concedes to the winner and the country comes together, in part for the good of the country. are you are saying you are not prepared now -- mr. trump: what i am saying, i will tell you at the time. i will keep you in suspense. mrs. clinton: let me respond to that. because that is horrifying. every time donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is, it is rigged against him. the fbi conducted a year-long investigation into my e-mails that concluded there was no case. he said the fbi was rigged. he lost the iowa caucus, he lost
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the wisconsin primary, he said the republican primaries were rigged against him. then trump university get sued for fraud and racketeering. he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row, and he started tweeting that the emmys were rigged mr. trump: i should have gotten it. [laughter] mrs. clinton: this is how donald trump thinks. it is funny, but it is also really troubling. this is not how our democracy works. we have been around for 240 years. we have had free and fair elections. we have accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them, and that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general election. president obama said the other day, when you are whining about -- before it is even finished, it just shows you are not up to doing the job.
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let's be clear about what he is saying and what that means. he is denigrating he is talking down our democracy, and i for 1 am appalled at somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind of position. mr. trump: i think what the fbi did and what the department of justice state, including meeting with her husband, the attorney general, in the back of an airplane on the tarmac in arizona, i think that's disgraceful. i think it's a disgrace. i think we have never had a situation -- [applause] chris: hold on, folks. let's please continue the debate, and let's move on to the subject of foreign hotspots. the iraqi offensive to take back mosul has begun. if they are successful in pushing isis out of that city and out of all of iraq, the question then becomes, what happens the day after? and that is something which whichever, whoever of view ends up as president will have to
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confront. will you put u.s. troops into that vacuum to make sure that isis doesn't come back or is not replaced by something even worse? secretary clinton, you go first. you have two minutes. mrs. clinton: well, i am encouraged that there is an effort led by the iraq he army, supported by -- iraqi army, supported by kurdish forces, and also, given the help and advice from the number of special forces and other americans on the ground, but i will not support putting american soldiers into iraq as an occupying force. i don't think that is in our interest, and i don't think that would be smart to do. in fact, chris, i think that would be a big red flag waving for isis to reconstitute itself. the goal here is to take back mosul. it will be a hard fight. i have no illusions about that. and then continued to press into syria, to begin to take back and
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move on raqqa, which is the isis headquarters. i am hopeful that the hard work that american military advisers have done will pay off, and that we will see a really successful military operation. but we know we have lots of work to do. syria will remain a hotbed of terrorism as long as the civil war, aided and abetted by the iranians and russians, continues. i have said, we need to keep our on isis -- eye on isis. that's why i want to have an intelligence surge at home. why we have to go after them on the ground, in the air, online. why we don't want to let terrorists by weapons. if you are too dangerous to fly, you are too dangerous to buy a gun. i will continue to push for a no-fly zone and safe havens within syria, not only to help protect the syrians and prevent the constant outflow of refugees, but to frankly gain
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leverage on both the syrian government and the russians so that perhaps we can have the kind of serious negotiation necessary to bring the conflict to an end and go forward on a political track. chris: mr. trump, same question. if we are able to push isis out wouldul and out of iraq, you be willing to put u.s. troops in there to prevent their return, or something else? mr. trump: let me tell you, mosul is so sad. we had mosul, but when she left, when she took everybody out, we lost mosul and now we're fighting again for mosul. they wanted to get the leaders of isis, who they felt were in mosul. three months ago, i started reading they want to get the leaders, and they are going to attack mosul. whatever happened to the element of surprise, ok? we announce we are going after mosul. i have been reading about going after mosul for three months.
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these people have all left. the element of surprise, douglas macarthur, george patton, spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country. so we are now fighting for mosul . all she had to do was stay there . now we are going again. you know who the big winner in mosul will be? the only reason they did it is because she's running for the office of president and they want to look tough. they want to look good. he violated the red line in the sand, and he made so many mistakes, made all the mistakes. that's why we have the great migration. but she wanted to look good for the election, so they are going in. we will take mosul eventually. by the way, if you look at what's happening, much tougher than they thought, much more dangerous, going to be more deaths than they thought. but the leaders we wanted to get are all gone. because they are smart. so mosul is going to be a wonderful thing, andiran -- and
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iran should write us a letter of thank you, just like the deal, the stupidest deal of all time, that will give iran absolutely nuclear weapons. iran should write another letter saying thank you very much, because iran, as i said many years ago, iran is taking over iraq, something they have wanted to do forever, but we have made it so easy for them. we are going to take mosul, and you know who will be the beneficiary? iran. they are outsmarting -- you are not there, you might be involved in that decision, but you were there when you took everybody out of mosul and out of iraq. we should not have been in iraq -- but you did vote for it -- but once we were in iraq, you never should have left. the point is, the winners going to be iran. mrs. clinton: you know, once again donald is implying that he didn't support the invasion of iraq. i said it was a mistake. i said that years ago.
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he has consistently denied -- mr. trump: ron. mrs. clinton: what is a clear fact that before the invasion he supported it. i want everybody to google it, google "donald trump iraq," and you will see the dozens of sources which verify that he was for the invasion of iraq. mr. trump: wrong. mrs. clinton: and you can actually hear the audio of him saying that. why does that matter? it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. i guess he believes it makes him look better now to contrast with me, because i did vote for it. but what is really important here is to understand all the interplay. mosul is a sunni city. mosul is on the border of syria. yes we do need to go after baghdadi, just like we went after bin laden while you were doing "celebrity apprentice" and we brought him to justice. we need to go after the
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leadership, but we need to get rid of them, get rid of their fighters, their estimated several thousand fighters in mosul, who have been digging underground, who have been prepared. it is going to be tough fighting, but i think we can take back mosul and then move into syria and take back raqqa. this is what we have to do. i'm just amazed that he seems to think that the iraqi government and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on mosul to help me in this election. but that's how donald thinks. he's always looking for something. mr. trump: we don't gain anything. iran is taking over iraq. chris: secretary clinton -- secretary clinton, it is an open discussion, but -- i'm sorry, please let mr. trump speak. mrs. clinton: he proves it every time he talks. mr. trump: wikileaks action just came out. john podesta said some horrible things about you, and boy was he
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right. he said some beauties. you know, bernie sanders said you have bad judgment. you do. and if you think that going into mosul after we let the world know we are going in, and all the people we really wanted, the leaders, they are all gone, if you think that was good, then you do. john podesta it said you had terrible instincts. bernie sanders said you had bad judgment. i agree with both. mrs. clinton: you should ask bernie sanders who he is supporting for president, who has campaigned for me around the country. you are the most dangerous person to ever run for president in the modern history of america. i think he is right. chris: let's turn to aleppo. mr. trump, in the last debate you were both asked about the situation in the syrian city of aleppo. i want to follow up on that, because you said several things in that debate which were not true, sir. you said that aleppo has basically fallen. in fact, there are --
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mr. trump: it is a catastrophe. have you seen it? have you seen at? have you seen what's happened to aleppo? chris: if i might finish my question. mr. trump: so it hasn't fallen. take a look at it. chris: there's a quarter of a million people still living there and being slaughtered. mr. trump: they are being slaughtered, because of bad decisions. chris: if i may just finish here. you said isis, syria, and russia are busy fighting isis. in fact, they have been the ones bombing and shelling eastern aleppo, and they just announced a humanitarian pause, admitting they have been bombing and shelling aleppo. would you like to clear that up? mr. trump: aleppo is a disaster. it is a humanitarian nightmare. but it has fallen, from any standpoint. what do you need, a signed document? take a look at aleppo. it is so sad when you see what has happened. and a lot of this is because of hillary clinton. because what has happened, by
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fighting assad, who turned out to be a lot tougher than she --ught, and now she will say he's just much tougher and much smarter than her and obama. and everyone thought he was gone two years ago, three years ago. he aligned with russia. he now also aligned with iran, who we made very powerful. gave them $150 billion back. we give them $1.7 billion in cash, i mean cash, bundles of cash as big as this stage. we give them $1.7 billion. now he has aligned with russia and with iran. they don't want isis. but they have other things. because we are backing, we are backing rebels. we don't know who the rebels are. we are giving them lots of money, lots of everything. we don't know who the rebels are. notwhen and if, and it's going to happen because you have russia and iran, but if they ever did overthrow assad, you
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might end up with as bad as assad, but you may very well and up with worse than assad. if she did nothing, we would be in much better shape. and this is what has caused the great migration, where she's taking in tens of thousands of syrian refugees, who probably, in many cases, not probably, who definitely in many cases are isis-aligned, and we now have them in our country. wait until you see -- this will be the great trojan horse. wait until you see what happens in the coming years. lots of luck, hillary. thanks a lot for doing a great job. chris: secretary clinton, you have talked about, in the last debate and again today, you would impose a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of aleppo and stop the killing there. president obama has refused to do that, because he fears it will draw us deeper into the conflict. general joseph dunford, the chairman of the joint chiefs of
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staff, says that if you impose a no-fly zone, chances are you will get into a war with syria and russia. so the question i have, if you impose a no-fly zone, how do you respond to their concerns. a no-fly if you impose zone and a russian plane violates that, does president putin should that plane down? mrs. clinton: first of all, i think a no-fly zone can save lives and hastened the end of the conflict. i am well aware of the really legitimate concerns you have expressed from both the president and the general. this would not be done just on the first day. this would take a lot of negotiation. it would also take making it clear to the russians and the syrians that our purpose here was to provide safe stones on the ground. we have had millions of people leave syria, and those millions of people inside syria have been dislocated. so i think we could strike a deal and make it very clear to the russians and the syrians
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that this was something that we believed was in the best interest of the people on the ground in syria. it would help us with our fight against isis. but i want to respond to what donald said about refugees. he has made these claims repeatedly. i am not going to let anyone into this country who is not vetted, who we do not have confidence in. but i am not going to slam the door on women and children. the picture of that little four-year-old boy in aleppo with the blood coming down his face while he sat in an ambulance, it is haunting. so we are going to do very careful thorough vetting. that does not solve our internal challenges with isis, and our need to stop radicalization, to work with american muslim communities who are on the front lines to identify and prevent attacks. killer of the dozens of people at the nightclub in orlando, the pulse nightclub, was born in queens, the same place donald was born.
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so let's be clear about what the threat is, and how we are best going to be able to meet it. and yes, some of that threat emanates from over in syria and iraq, and we have got to keep fighting, and i will defeat isis. and some of it is we have to up our game and be much smarter here. chris: i want to get into our final segment. mr. trump: i just have to -- it is so ridiculous. she will defeat isis. we should have never let isis happen in the first place, and right now they are in 32 countries. one second. they had a cease-fire three weeks ago. a cease-fire, united states, russia, and syria. during the cease-fire, russia ches ofer vast swat land and then said, we don't want the cease-fire anymore. we are so at played. they are out playing. she wasn't there, so i assume she had nothing to do with it, but our country is so outplaye assad and and
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iran. nobody can believe how stupid are leadership is. chris: we need to move on to our final segment. that is the national debt, which has not been discussed until tonight. our national debt as a share of the economy, our gdp, is now 77%. that is the highest since just after world war ii. the nonpartisan committee for a responsible federal budget says secretary clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to 86% of gdp over the next 10 years. mr. trump, under your plan they say it would rise to 105% of gdp over the next 10 years. question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem? mr. trump, you go first. mr. trump: i would say they are wrong, because i'm going to create tremendous jobs. we are bringing gdp from really 1%, which is what it is now, and if she got and it will be less than zero, we are bringing it from 1% up to 4%, and i actually think we can go higher than 4%.
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i think you can go to 5% or 6%. if we do, you don't have to bother asking your question, because we have a tremendous machine. we will have created a tremendous economic machine once again. to do that, we are taking back jobs. we are not going to let our companies be raided by other countries will release all our jobs. it is very sad. but i'm going to create the kind of the country that we were from the standpoint of industry. we used to be there. we have given it up. we have become very, very sloppy. we have people who are political hacks making the biggest deals in the world, bigger than companies. you take these big companies. these trade deals are far bigger than these companies. yet we don't use our great leaders, many of whom back me, and many of whom back hillary, but we don't use these people. these are the greatest negotiators in the world. we have the greatest business people in the world.
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we have to use them to negotiate our trade deals. we use political hacks. we use people that got a position because they made a campaign contribution, and they are dealing with china and people who are very much smarter than they are. so we have to use our great people. but that being said, we will create an economic machine the likes of which we haven't seen in many decades, and people, chris, will again go back to work, and they will make a lot of money and we will have companies that will grow, and expand, and start from new. chris: secretary clinton? mrs. clinton: first, when i hear donald talk like that and know that his slogan is "make america great again," i wonder when he thought america was great. and before he rushes and says, before you and president obama were there, i think it's important to recognize that he has been criticizing our government for decades. you know, back in 1987, he took out a $100,000 ad in the "new
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york times" during the time when president reagan was president and basically said exactly what he just said now, that we were the laughing stock of the world. he was criticizing president reagan. this is the way donald thinks about himself, puts himself into the middle and says, you know, i alone can fix it, as he said on the convention stage. but if you look at the debt, which is the issue you asked about, chris, i pay for everything i am proposing. i do not add a penny to the national debt. i take that very seriously, because i do think it's one of the issues we have got to come to grips with. so when i talk about how we are going to pay for education, how we are going to invest in infrastructure, how we are going to get the cost of production drugs down, and a lot of the other issues people talk about all the time, i have made it very clear. we are going where the money is.
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we are going to ask the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair share, and there is no evidence whatsoever that that will slow down or diminish our growth. in fact, i think just the opposite. we will have what economists call middle-outgrowth. we have got to get back to rebuilding the middle class. the family of america, that's where growth will come from. that's why i want to invest in you. i want to invest in your family. and i think that's the smartest way to grow the economy, to make the economy fairer, and we just have a big disagreement about this. it may be because of our experiences. he started out with his dad as a millionaire. i started out with my dad as a small businessman. it is a difference that affects how we see the world and how we see the economy. mr. trump: but i just respond? chris: mr. trump: could i just
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respond? that, weree with him on should be much tougher. frankly, now we're going to do it right. the one last area i want to get into in this debate is entitlement, 60% of all federal spending. the committee for responsible looked at dget has both of your plans and say neither of you has a serious plan that is going to solve the medicare is going to run out of money in the 2020s. social -- the effect i want to ask you in this regard, mr. trump, would mr. trump make a deal to save medicare and social security included both tax increases entitlements. mr. trump: we're going to grow
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rate.onomy on a record one thing we have to do, repeal and replace the disaster known obamacare. it's destroying our country. it's destroying our businesses, ur small business and our big businesses. we have to repeal and replace obamacare. look at the kind of numbers that that will cost us 17.he year it is a disaster. if we don't repeal and replace. of probably going to die its own weight, but obamacare has to go. 60, remiums are going up 70, 80%. next year, they're going to go over 100%, and i'm really glad that the premiums have started. t least the people see what's happening because she wants to keep obamacare, and she wants to make it even worse, and it can't worse. bad healthcare at the most expensive price. e have to repeal and replace obamacare. chris: secretary clinton, same question, because at this point, and medicare are
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going to run out. the trust funds are going to run out of money. will you as president entertain -- will you consider a rand bargain, a deal that includes both tax increases and cuts to try to save both programs? mrs. clinton: well, chris, i am on record as saying that we need social ore money in the security trust fund. that's part of my commitment to taxes on the wealthy. my social security payroll up as will will go donald's -- assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. but what we want to do is replenish the social security making sure that we have sufficient resources, and that will come from either cap and/or finding other ways to get more money into it. benefits.t cut i want to enhance benefits for womencome workers and for who have been disadvantaged by the current social security system. what donald is proposing with these massive tax cuts will
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a $20 trillion additional national debt. consequencese dire for social security and medicare. and i'll tell you something about the affordable care act, wants to repeal. the affordable care act extended medicare cy of the trust fund, so if he repeals it, medicare problem gets worse. what we need are long-term healthcare drivers. get costs down, increase value, emphasize wellness. for doing that and i believe we will get entitlement spending under resources and re smarter decisions. tois: this is the final time your delight probably that in ll both be on the stage this campaign. i would like to end it on a positive note. closing ot agreed to statements but it might make it more interesting because you aven't prepared closing statements. so we're going to put up a
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as the final clock question and the final debate to tell the american people why they should elect you to be the president. this is another new minisegment. secretary clinton, it's your go first. mrs. clinton: i would like to say to everyone watching tonight that i'm reaching out to all democrats, republicans and independents, because we need everybody to country what it should be, to grow the economy, o make it fairer, to make it work for everyone. we need your talents, your commitment, your energy, your ambition. i have been privileged to see and i sidency up close, know the awesome responsibility of protecting our country and he incredible opportunity of working to try to make life better for all of you. the cause of children and families really my life's work. what my mission will be in the presidency. i will stand up for families powerful interests, against corporations.
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i will do everything that i can make sure that you have good jobs with rising incomes, that good educations from preschool through college. i hope you will give me a chance as your president. chris: secretary clinton, thank you. mr. trump. mr. trump: she's raising money from the people she wants to control. doesn't work that way. started this campaign, i started it very make ly, it's called america great again. we're going to make america great. we have a depleted military. helped and fixed. we have the greatest people on earth in our military. care of our veterans and illegal immigrants, people that come into the country illegally better than vets. that can't happen. our policemen and women are disrespected. we need law and order but we need justice too. our inner cities are a disaster. you get shot walking to the store. they have no education. they have no jobs. do more for
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african-americans and latinos in 10 lifetimes. all she's done is talked to the african-americans and latinos, the vote and come back and say, we'll see you in four years. we are going to make america again, and we are going to make america great again, and it has to start now. take four more years of barack obama, and that's what get her.hen you chris: thank you, both. --retary clinton [applause] chris: hold on just a moment, folks. i want to thank you both for of icipating in all three these debates. that brings an end to this sponsored by the presidential convention on debates. thank the university of las vegas for having us. now it's up to you. november 8 is just 20 days away. one thing everyone here can gree on, we hope you will go vote. it is one of the honors and obligations of living in this great country. thank you, and good night.
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>> you have been watching from the ive coverage third and final debate from the university of nevada las vegas. clinton is staying a while to greet the crowd with a big smile on her face. donald trump had a moment in the garage with his running mate, overnor pence before getting into his limo and departing the scene. with t's debate broke protocol in the sense of tradition. there was no hand shake between the candidates at the beginning the end of tonight's debate.
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hearing whatted in you think. lines are 8920 for trump. secretary clinton and others undecided or third party, 8922. andcan also tweet us @cspan use the hashtag #debates. up first supporting donald air. , max is on the caller: hi. i found in this debate that the moderator was much less biased previous ones, they eemed very one sided and arguing with donald trump. whereas, in this debate, he was much more fair. i was thing that disappointed that wasn't brought up is that bill clinton is a rapist. bill clinton is a rapist. ost: up next is a call from ara in norman, oklahoma,
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supporting secretary clinton. caller: i think this debate how intelligent hillary clinton is, and just how plans she has for the country, and i really think that if anyone has america's best at heart, and even heir own interest at heart, that clinton would be the one to vote for. host: did you feel that going nto the debate, or did tonight change your submit or seal the deal for you? tara is not there. anyway, we'll move on to stan watching us from maine. who are you supporting? i haven't decided yet. my interest is i think it's more of the platforms and so i've reading hillary's america desusa, and it was very informative about the
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racism 's history with the votes from the making it and like -- i don't know how to xplain it, but it needs to be looked at. also hillary's america, there's a movie about it. find think we've got to out more. it seems like there's lots of lies.ations, of and so how do we find the truth in all of this? it's good it's good to go to or sources, and i think the news is really biased, and if you're a biased you think it's for the conservatives. and if you're conservative, you biased for the liberals. o i think it's good to -- so i recommend. i'm in the middle of it, and
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interesting. y host: the book, who the author is a critic of hillary clinton. are you going to find a book on other side who's also critical of donald trump as you're making your decision? time before have the election, i will, if you could tell me one, i would do it. host: thanks. schwenn g to ask peter ho is our book tv executive producer, to list a book. listening to the two authors. kate is in dallas, texas, a trump supporter. kate. caller: hi. how are you. host: fine, thanks. there's some suggestions that play now. might be in how do you see things on the ground? i see isasically, what all the lies that have come out about hillary, i'm 100% for at this point. at least he is a truthful man. yes, everyone has their issues, has lied time and time again.
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she has done nothing for this country. foundation is absolutely turned upside down with corruption. the worst president ever. am going to send a tweet out to all my hundreds of customers that i deal with on a daily basis because we have country will go down very fast if she gets into power. our forefathers who have made this country great, we could lose everything if she the president. host: what kind of business do you have? caller: i'm sorry? host: what kind of business do you have. you said you had customers. a car host: are you there? vote for mr. trump because he is a truthful man, and i'm tired of the lies. tired of the conspiracy and the cover-up on the clinton's line.y on down the when it's time for something fresh and good for this country, this re not good for country. that would be the biggest
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disaster, hillary would be the america has ter ever seen, especially from the administration all the way to obamacare. a nightmare. host: okay, kate. got to jump in so others can in. this is from michelle also from texas. support hillary clinton. caller: we've supported hillary clinton all the way. she has more experience. is the one with the anger issues. to see him in the presidency, that would be a complete disaster. it really would. daughter 9-year-old here, we were watching. and i could not believe the that were coming out of donald trump, and his anger way.s gets in the he doesn't know how to control that. host: thanks, michelle. summit, new from jersey on the line for others. do you have a candidate? caller: well, now i do. actually going to write in
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green party and put bernie sanders in because that was my guy. know coming into tonight who i was going to vote ar because i thought this was very good moderator. i thought the last two, it was difficult to make any kind of anybody.s on so i'm going to vote for hillary. it comes down to who's feeling ess scared, but i think she's smart. and i think she's intelligent and that's who i'm going to vote for. particular any moments that clarified it for you tonight? caller: gee, i guess foreign policy. i really think she knows what's on.g i think she had real control and her body language and just shows that's how she would deal with other people in other parts of the world. there's also an awful lot of behind the goes on scenes that are in this world.
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something for me. the other stuff will kind of -- but we have to remember we're in a big world together. also stated, is this the best moderator of the three? caller: yeah, he was the best. the other two lost control. -- i hough they tried forgot his name, the one from cnn. best thought he was the tonight and i've never watched fox. i think i will now. happens. see what host: so going to vote for hillary clinton and watch fox. forght was quite an outcome you, mary. thanks for you call. maine s thank stan from for calling in. ook tv is on the welcome, 48 hours of books and authors and television for readers. we look for nonfiction. we look for history and current events.
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we cover the authors in their put it on the air and let people see it for themselves. books nted to know about that were about hillary clinton, about donald trump, pro, and anti. we've covered them all in the last year. if you go to our web site, very, right up at the top there is a search function. hillary books. you can type in trump books. list.t a whole and here are some that we've recently covered. panel ntly did a discussion on hillary clinton by authors who have been critical her, and that was covered on october 10th, and you can watch that. work for thesed to clintons just came out with a geddon.k called arma gary burns who worked for the clintons as a secret service agent. his book is called crisis of character. and of course "hillary's america" and it goes on and on. now if you go in and type in
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books, you will find several that are pro and anti, ann koulter's book on immigration. very pro-donald trump. that.ered we also covered mark fisher who is a post reporter, washington reporter. and his book is called "trump revealed." critical look at donald trump. and "the making of donald trump" is another book that we've covered. in o and type or trump hillary books books you can get a whole slew nline and watch them at your leisure. host: thanks. we're going to go back to reactions from viewers around about the debates. eborah writes, the debates continue to be sexist as hillary clinton is rebuffed by no facts and voters still believe he's man because he's the man.
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so much more presidential than pettulent trump. one.ry and john wrote tonight's final track, trumpite on won, composed, detailed on issues for the country. wood writes, i think trump needs to actually do his comes to hen it comprehensive immigration form. free ump is like watching style rapper who isn't good at it. using you to tweet us the hashtag #debates. let's go back to calls. teresa, support iin supporting . do did your candidate tonight. caller: i think my candidate did great. host: was there a particular moment you were sitting there job, mr. trump? caller: just the whole thing, for me. i thought it was excellent on his part. host: what did you think of how moderated was compared to past ones?
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efficiently run moderator that we've seen to point. obviously we're at the end of it, so he did really the best ever. host: thanks teresa for calling in. loinette from florida, supporting donald trump. what did you think of tonight's debate? caller: hi. i loved it. you truly loved america donald trump is the only one for you. that? and why is caller: because i'm a single other, a waitress, a union worker. everything that the women say trump isn't for, but trump heart, and the hillary clinton is like a robot, and i'm sick of being lied to by politicians. has ourink trump really back. host: thanks lynette. adam is up next from san california, supporting hillary clinton. hillary clinton is the best.
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needs to do his on arch and quit bagging hillary clinton. government cell phones, that's why i'm voting for clinton. nick is up next from elkhart, indiana. other line. do you have a candidate. caller: i am an independent. 'm a college-educated young male so i've tried to keep an open mind and through these i certainly find that hillary is more presidential. impressed with y what donald had to say regarding heroin epidemic. i work in a field where i deal with a lot of addicts. in fact, i had someone die just the other night. unspoken s really the problem here in america is that the heroin is coming through the a thern border, and without border wall, it will continue to so readily it is available, so incredibly addictive, that there really
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that's be something done, and i think donald's platform is really in terms of wer that specific epidemic. and with a lost generation. years old. this kid was 27 years old. this isn't the first time that seen this happen. and without jobs, these children and women young men have nothing to live for, and so and so in o drugs, that aspect, i feel like onald's immigration, building the wall will certainly cement my vote for him. host: thank you for your call, nick. appreciate you watching. next up is kelsy, boston, supporting secretary clinton. you're on. caller: hi, i would just like to that, by far, hillary more and many wn times how much that she is
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qualified to be our president. i am 26 years old, and honestly that donald a joke trump has even made it this far. a lot of people my age kind of look to the celebrity part of donald trump and they really get into the whole what cs of, you know, qualifies somebody to be a but i think it's really sad that he has shown in all these debates how it is very scary fact that if he becomes president, down to the nuclear, to social security, medicare, and he can't respectful to another candidate while they're speaking. he has to interject with some rude comment. you know, it's just so childish. and this is somebody that is run our country, can't even be quiet while somebody else speaks. just amazing that there's so many people that will
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know, and is man, you i just really am rooting for hillary clinton. that's all i would like to say. host: thanks kelsy. you watching. let's go back to peter. peter: some of the news coming debate has to s do with donald trump questioning whether he would accept the results november 8. the wall street journal already headline for banner the wall street journal. murdoch.ed by rupert trump won't consent if he loses. politico tweets, trump's answer n whether he honors election results will be the story of this debate and every republican will be forced to respond to it. lisa mas caro, los angeles time, press reports gasps from room when trump says he'll look results.on a producer on capitol hill for
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news. liess in the entire debate on trump's answer could dominate rest of election. laura ingram who spoke at the republican convention in avor of donald trump, radio talk show host tweeted this out: e should have said he would have accepted the votes of this election. there is no other option unless recount account. host: thanks, peter. this is a good opportunity for show you that exchange from tonight about whether or not donald trump would accept of the election. let's watch. pence pledged on sunday that he and you, his ords, will absolutely accept the results of this election. today your daughter ivanka said same thing. i want to ask you tonight, do you make the same commitment, you will absolutely accept the result of this election?
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mr. trump: i will look at it at the time. not looking at anything now. i will look at it at the time. what i've seen is so bad. media is so the dishonest and so corrupt and the the new so amazing, york times actually wrote an article about it, but they don't even care. so dishonest, and they poisoned the minds of the voters, but unfortunately for them, i think the voters are seeing through it. i think they're going to see through it. we'll find out on november 8. chris: sir -- mr. trump: me, chris. out excuse this isn't coming from me. it's coming from peer report and places. millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote. so let me just give you one other thing. i talk about the corrupt media millions of people. tell you one other thing, she shouldn't be allowed to run. guilty of a very, very serious crime.
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he should not be allowed to run. and just in that respect, i say rigged, because she should never -- chris, she should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with e-mails and so many other things. a traditionthere is in this country -- in fact, one of the prides of this country is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard-fought a campaign is, that campaign, thathe the loser concedes to the winner. not saying that you're necessarily going to be the or the winner, but that the loser concedes to the winner and that the country comes in part for the good of the country. are you saying you're not to -- d now mr. trump: what i am saying is i will tell you at the time. suspense.p you in host: and predicting that will major headlines out of tonight's debate. we're wondering what you thought about tonight's debate. did it cement your opinion?
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did it give you a candidate, if up to this ecided, point? and we're going to go back to twitter and look at comments viewers. briana writes: all hillary linton knows how to do is to pull the woman card. this debate rom: proves that neither candidate deserves to be in office. both lying loathsome bottom feeders. hillary was ays deflected, not answering arrogant very rude, and comes off angry. canned. debates are two her responses are too robotic and machine politics. we don't need more of the same. move on from here because we heard from that viewer already on twitter. calls. this is shanna watching us in other line.ur hello, shanna, do you have a candidate? caller: i don't. moderator is the
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more neutral tonight but onestly i'm disappointed in both candidate's performance tonight because neither were show the professionalism to be our president. feel strongly against all four of the major candidates we were ooking at as candidates for presidency. host: will you write in? or what will you do? caller: i don't know. didn't think this debate would change my mind. at the beginning i was leaning a little bit more towards hillary she has some unprofessional behavior tonight. so it's just really concerning. looking at policy, i think there's a lot of inconsistencies. i will definitely vote because i think it's important but right in. 'm looking at writing host: i was going to ask you, you talked about presentation or presidential character. are the issues most important to you? in healthcare so i think healthcare is incredibly
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important and i'm also kind of a small business. i think the way that trump, his acumen, i think is fairly important and i think the i guess approaching the race in terms of saying that he's being a nonpolitician, so honest, i thinke that is something desperately needed in politics in the since we have so many lifelong politicians, which is a bit scary. ut i think from the policy standpoint, he has the potential to ruin the country and i don't representing the country on an international basis at all. host: thank you. nd good luck in making your decision. let's go to susan in alabama. a trump supporter. on the air. caller: hi, good evening. host: good evening. thought definitely that donald trump did better this evening. primarily supporter because he is not a seasoned politician as is hillary.
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her calm, cool exterior. and then performs in a totally i don't like the double standards that she has. needs ng that the public to be told one thing, and yet monetarily, s voters, are to be told another thing. that concerns me, is she always avoids talking about her medical plans. i also am from a medical ackground, and it's concerning hat the obama plan has taken medicine so far into the back so to speak. i came from england as an a child., as socialist, and that is not where this country
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wants to go. medicine here in the united has always been far superior than anywhere else. is not a politician. unfortunately, he gets himself trouble with his way he approaches some of the issues. hillary has never explained she plans -- or how to pay for all the additional government that she is proposing. so i think donald trump came out i'm this evening and definitely back on his side. in.: thank you for calling next up is sarah calling from the home of diana, the c-span archive and supporter of hillary clinton. ahead. caller: i am a small business owner. i am 26 years old. hillary has at spoken more in the debates about
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owners than trump has. also feel that trump has painted a pretty ugly picture for himself, whether it's the the , or whether i guess personality that he personifies his debates and in his rallies and in anything he has forth. he just does not seem to be someone i would want my children and to see atching put forth. i don't see him as a host: at age 26, what kind of small business do you have? small coffee a shop in the downtown district of lafayette, indiana. economy how's the doing? caller: from my standpoint, we're doing great. as far as my -- where i am at in it is a very
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community-bas community-based. feel like we are doing great. host: great. thank you for calling in. we come to lafayette often because of the c-span archive so come visit your coffee shop. texas is bob in denton, on the independent line. do you have a candidate? caller: boy, this is a tough one. mean, i hate to quote "south park" but we've got a choice buffoon and a career politician here. tonight didn't really help me a business s a small owner feeling the squeeze of the obamacare, i'm really struggling on who to go with here. consider writing in? i don't know. that would be kind of wasting a vote in my opinion. hold though, one
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were things you guys xplaining was trump's refusal to back the certification of the election, and that really got my to ntion, and so in regards gore in 2000, i'm just curious what you think about gore's court and the challenges. host: well, thanks. our policy here is to listen to to offer our own commentary about that, but we hear some other callers, what they think about donald results emarks on the of the election and whether or not he would challenge them. josh in springfield, oregon, a trump supporter. do did your candidate tonight, josh? caller: i think we've really the bar for politicians this season. impressed with his public speaking ability.
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however, i was undecided before tonight. maybe i was leaning towards trump. feel like a 30-year politician and coming from the level of corruption that the forthn empire has brought season, is electoral whatever you want to call it, i think that trump is unpolished. i don't think he's a good but i like a lot of the points and the directions that go with the ng to country. think business growth is hugely important. i mean, i've already been notified that obamacare is going insurance rate 60% next year, and you know, i'm lready having trouble making those payments. so i really hope that we can state insurance coverage on healthcare and open it up to some good healthy maybe get the government more out of our
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pockets and more focused on growth. host: thanks for calling in, josh. maggie is in jonesboro, arkansas, supporting hillary clinton. caller: yes. i am 24 years old. i'm a single woman living in jonesboro, and i am supporting hillary clinton. that trump inhink any way or fashion is fit to be of the united states. i mean, this is the highest it kind of bogles my mind that the united states has gotten in this far, and i do agree with a lot of the supporters, and the fact that he did reject even the american people are going to decide to be president. like ultimately, it's up to us. and if the other candidate doesn't want to accept what our then i don't want him in a position that he is
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going to be making big decisions me, that affect my kids, that affect my parents. like that's just not something to do and i think just to be jabbingt, and she's not at him every second in each debate, and throwing in mean things towardsan his family or anything like that, so i think she just has he tact and she is very respectful, i think, in the debates, and i've been impressed as i have been impressed with her campaign for these last three debates. host: thank you very much for call. wayne is up next. colorado. two more calls before we go back to peter. other line. on the are you undecided or do you have a candidate. i have a candidate now. i've been researching both sides the last year. trying to get information, you can't get the
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truth from the media. whole truth. i ask myself why are they not reporting on what's going on as e-mails and this women deal. womene did concerning the is absolutely wrong, the things he says and the way he looks at things. donald, he's going to mess up, going to go back and ook at the things he did to mess up. but the research i've done on hillary clinton, she doesn't get she's messed up. instead, she finds a better way of hiding it. i've watched oversight committees, watched what was going on with the fbi and congress and everything. i'm been sitting here, and not the kind of person with a lot of patience, but i love america. what america stands so i wanted to know the truth for myself and i couldn't get it from the media and i couldn't it. i'm not going to go around asking opinions, and i'm an my trade or as far as and i wanted to find out myself what was going on, and i watched myself, every time something about the e-mails are brought up, she pivots.
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she wants to get away from it. the media does the same thing, you know, when something comes up concerning the e-mail. okay, say russia did hack. let's just say they did. them hacking about into our system, of course. but i'm more concerned with what in them e-mails and all was hidden from us, the who are , the ones looking for someone to lead us in a way the constitution was led in.r us to be all this other stuff they're talking about, they spend so reading talking about the tabloids. tabloids.for the the american people deserve to know the truth exactly what's going on with these candidates, concerning our policies and the need to change america to get it back into the shape it needs to be. so i started doing my own and yeah, donald trump has made some comments that, to have his mouth washed out with soap, that's true. benghazi ur people in ask for help over 600 times and
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they t get the help and end up dying for it, i've got to look at that, you know, and when all these other people testify before the fbi and the oversight committee, they're told come on in, we'll immunity. that's great. that's part of what america stands on, give them deals. but give us answers. they don't give answers. they just give immunity and our around and trash the laptops that could have had -- there's just too much on. edness going host: let me interrupt you because we have a lot of callers waiting. question for you. much ou ever done this research in past elections or is this unique for you? caller: never, never. i did. but there wasn't that much to research. much has gone on that's going on now. and tell you the truth i have much research but america is getting worse. and the american people, it's the voice of the american people, and it's
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topped being that 8, 9 years ago, and now it's just a elected handful making all the decisions for us. what happened to the voice of the people. if we're the voice, then give us your opinion. i'm not talking about you. i'm just saying the media, don't give us your opinion. and that's facts what i've been doing the last year. host: i'm going to jump in. for calling inch from pueblo, colorado. let's go back to peter who's some reaction on the internet and also tweets from people in the political scene. go ahead, peter. peter: here is the reaction from the new york times, same as the wall street journal. leading with this banner headline, trump won't say if he will accept election results. has said that the largest twitter follower growth candidates during the debate, hillary clinton gained followers.tter donald trump gained 6,000. and then they put out the top retweeted tweet, and i think it
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was donald trump, tongue in saying do you think putin will be going to the miss pageant in moscow. if so, will he be my best friend. frank, the poster we talked about at the beginning of this poster and had a him. of undecideds with here are some of the things he found. here was his last one. ere's a couple of his tweets that he sent out. one of hillary's top points was standing up for the election system, and which candidate's performance has the greater vote? on your and you can watch the video. on to say that who won tonight's debate? say trump. 12 say clinton. pence is vernor mike in the spin room outside the
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debate hall. let's listen. mr. pence: i'm proud of the way for the a strong stance constitution of the united states. when you listen to the opening discussion about the supreme court, i was checking my watch for how long it took hillary clinton to even mention the constitution. donald trump made it clear the stance he'll uphold the amendment, and the sanctity of life, that he'll be making for the supreme court uphold the constitution of the united states of america. it's economic growth or immigration or a strong american military, donald trump won this debate outright. the message for those living in a battle ground state where you know it will be decided in days. what was the strongest point tonight? the ens: i just think strongest point was we can get this economy moving again, but that's not going to happen if we to put the same policies that would stifle
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into practicecies and donald trump, you heard the hillary clinton plan tonight sounded like the plan. stimulus more government spending, more taxes, mr. obamacare. trade the deeply flawed deals that have caused american jobs to leave our shores. to ld trump laid out a plan lower taxes, repeal obamacare, ave the trade deals that will create and support jobs in this economy and i think that's a resonate.hat will and frankly i think it will continue to resonate all across america. days.shall see in 20 last question. the moderator is always part of the story. did he do tonight? mr. pens: i thought chris did a job.fic his questions were poignant and fair. was ontrast to the answers really dramatic. ere we have chris wallace, finally someone able to ask
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hillary clinton about the foundation and all the issues around her e-mails. the american people got very few answers. tonight was -- and donald trump is a bold truth willing to step forward and answer forth rightly about to take this country and hillary clinton, we saw this dodging and bobbing and never answering questions that really we've come and her from her campaign. >> governor, you have a lot more work to do tonight. time tonight.your >> governor pence. peter: and we don't know whether or not governor pence answered hat question, but his counter part, senator tim kaine, running with hillary clinton, was tweeting all night during the as well. here's one tweet he sent out. donald won't commit to support outcome, won't
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condemn putin and won't defend yet he wantscracy, to be president. ashington post, another major newspaper with the same lead. whether uses to say he'll accept election results. tweeted d trump's team this out. that was really exciting. made all my points. again.merica great and he also says to join my team page, live facebook now, and there is a video. you can go to donald trump's and watch trump tv. host: thanks peter. hear go back to calls and from shannon in great falls, virginia, in the washington d.c. of donald supporter trump. you're on, shannon. caller: hi, good evening. i thought the debate was very moderated this evening. i definitely thought that it was interviewing and fair questions
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for both sides and i had thought debates two previous were definitely more one sided. that was the ing absolute icing on the cake for in this debate was i felt two very d addressed important issues that i don't believe that hillary has at all, and l or that is her relationship with iran and their utures, and where this country is going. and i feel like hillary has not know, and i don't supporters illary feel that that is a big enough issue, and i have not been a fan of hillary for a very long time. when d enough to remember she was our first lady. and i think that a lot of the of the country have not done their due diligence.
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about ays preaches experience, experience, experience. yes, she does have the experience. anybody would do their due diligence as to what she did as the first lady for this country in making recommendations for attorney failures would do their travel-gate he issue, the file-gate issue, the to turn she refused over paperwork in the whitewateron for the documents, which led to ken star being the special prosecutor. a long history of large political failures that the in this country weren't around for, don't too young to remember, and i really wish that he younger voters of the country would do their due iligence about the experience that she keeps preaching to this
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country. has done an trump astonishingly good job about not those errors. he has pointed out her more recent issues with the fbi and that, but nd all of history of ery long failure from her. host: let me jump in at that point. thanks so much for your phone call. e're going to show you the scene in the spin room as it's failure center the media filing just a little while back. campaign person talked to the press. . ndistinct chatter] suspense and eate not tell us. in keeping with with tv shows and the campaign,
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does, ven as many as he it's still shocking for a nominee for president to come to the >> why do you think he keeps doing it? >> he has to have a reason to rig the election. his only concern is himself. hillary clinton effectively laid out other times in his career that he has blamed a rigged system. buts a concern, obviously, we have seen a lot of republican leaders come out in the last couple of days. his own campaign manager, running mate, say that he should accept the results.