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of the hill and wikileaks and its effect on the presidential campaign and former base player ath nirvana, now chair of nonprofit that advocates for election reforms. ♪ host: it is saturday, october 22, 2016. today, cyber attacks shut down a host of popular internet sites yesterday, raising concerns over u.s. cyber security. sites including twitter, spotify, netflix, and the new york times websites reported sporadic problems after a wave of disruptions targeted a company that provides the critical infrastructure for internet access in the united states. wikileaks claims the attacks of thate by supporters website in retaliation for internet service thing cut off
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at the embassy were the wiki these founder -- wikileaks founder has been held up since 2012. is cyber security a top issue for you? democrats call 202-748-8000. republicans, 202-748-8001. andpendence, 202-748-8002 third-party, 202-748-8003. reach us on social media on twitter at --@cspanwj and more on the massive cyber security attack yesterday on websites across the united states. the new york times notes that its website was a victim of that attack which was against a reroutewho service
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internet traffic, they began experiencing what security experts called a distributed denial of service attack after 7:00 a.m.. reports that many sites were inaccessible started on the east coast but spread westward in three ways as the day wore on and into the evening. more from the new york times -- any troubling development, the attack appears to have relied on hundreds of thousands of internet connected devices like cameras, baby monitors, and home routers that have been infected without their owners knowledge. that is the gist of the attack that took place yesterday, sporadically affecting websites all day and we talk to you about whether cyber security is a top issue for you. from thomasville, north carolina on our democratic line. good morning. good morning -- caller: good
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morning. it is an issue for me because mr. trump in the debate, he believed that russia had anything to do with the hacking, they asked him if russia had anything to do with the hacking, so,the e-mails and things you know, i do believe that cyber security is a big issue. -- have you take heard enough about this issue from both candidates for president, or even your congressional candidates as they are running for reelection in north carolina? caller: yes, ma'am. i heard enough about hillary clinton. host: you are satisfied that she would be better at combating cyber security that her opponent? caller: yes, ma'am.
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host: more from the washington post about the attack, it was focused on many of the devices that americans use on a regular basis. office said the source of some of the traffic that attacked the copy came from compromised internet of things devices which include everyday items such as baby monitors, web cameras, and thermostats that can connect to the internet. onofheacon oth inrn bngacd thhe lp o t u omany everyy emwe had in our n me trsy,heeaofhesa okabt e rrt palieshathu. h toig cerecit we alha ta owdge ate e t er w want thclic ceso cer cutyreecd t
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ateplinsreaking miake byumngn ledl haed-mlselease b wikiles a hwi n tk abou tm d ued puics flo st, sang that as our intelligence agencies have said, these leagues are an effort by foreign governments to interfere with our electoral process and i will not indulge it. further, i want to warn my fellow republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these lakes, today it is the democrats, tomorrow it could be us. how particular troublesome is it for those who are using these revelations? guest: that was a big deal, marco rubio and going the clinton campaign line. the clinton campaign line and you are seeing a hardening of republican attitudes against wikileaks. the biggest debate in washington is how do we talk about wikileaks? like a journalistic outlet that
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is putting out content that is fair game to have any political discussion? or do we talk about them as a bullhorn for the russian government and the work of a single guy who hasn't asked to grind?- who has an ax to is this a true journalistic outlet or an attempt by the russian government to interfere with the u.s. elections? host: texas, republican line, you are on with katie bo williams. caller: i am a little confused. -- they says seem the russians are trying to influence our elections by publishing these e-mails but by looking at what is in them, their principal offenses the democrats are looking to steal the election.
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guest: there is a lot of concern from a lot of republicans that the content of these e-mails are not getting enough attention. seeing a couple of different things happen. part of what is going on is, even though the content of these e-mails are being reported on, the republican candidate himself has not grabbed a hold of the individual allegations in these e-mails and raised them to the level of a campaign issue. there is some question about what interference in the election means. when the u.s. intelligence community said that the dnc hack is an attempt to interfere in the u.s. election, they do not offer more details. they left that open to interpretation and that does not mean that helping donald trump. it may just mean sowing
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uncertainty and discord in the lift or process. host: let's look at what hillary clinton said about the wikileaks during the -- dumps presidential debate. hillary clinton: you are quoting from wikileaks and what is important about wikileaks, the russian government has engaged in espionage against americans, they have hacked american websites, american accounts, of private people, institutions, then they gave the information to wikileaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. this has come from the highest levels of the russian himself,t, from putin as an effort, as 17 intelligence agencies have confirmed, to influence our election. the most important question of this evening, chris, is finally will donald trump admit and
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condemn that the russians are doing this? can't make it clear that he will -- and make it clear that he will not have the help of vladimir putin and rejects russian espionage against americans which he encouraged in the past? we have never had anything like this happen in our elections before. guest: she put the focus on russia and that this was outside -- an outsider trying to influence the election by john podesta and others have had an uneven response, responding to some but not saying that they are real. guest: one thing you have started to see the clinton campaign do is try to tie donald trump to wikileaks. they started floating the suggestion that trump somehow has a direct connection to
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wikileaks. the evidence is not -- the hard evidence isn't really there for that. it seems to largely be based off of claims by the long-time trump confidente that he has a quote/unquote back channel connection to julian. what that looks like, who knows. he said he hasn't gotten any information beforehand but that's the narrative that the .linton campaign is pushing host: bill from our democrat yin lines. caller: good morning, ladies. listen up, viewers. there's an old saying if you want to hide something, hide in plain sight. hillary's e-mails, hillary's personal server were not hacked. she did something right. hacked e-mails are contaminated
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information that will not hold muster in any court. host: how reliable is this information that we get from this wickie leak hack or any sort of hacks? guest: that's a great question. we don't know that this information is authentic. my personal suspicion is that because the clinton campaign has not come out and explicitly denied the contnt they're probably accurate. but researchers have repeatedly warned that given that these e-mails were most likely stolen by the russian government and provided to publish, there could be e-mails in there that have been editted or doctored in some way. i don't think we've seen that yet but that's not to say that e-mails coming out in later dumps are going to be completely accurate. >> the "new york times" has an opinion piece that today related to the wickie lease
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release and said that it's a lesson for secretary clinton. talk a little bit about that. that clinton has this reputation of being secretive. guest: this kind of drip drip drip of miner revelations coming from these e-mails is certainly damaging. she's obviously struggled with this sort of perception that she's untrust worthy.
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and the continual -- the slow and continual release of documents that have been stolen given them the perception that there is something hidden i think has sort of played into that narrative. ost: tommy from new york city. caller: i understand there's a lot of bad things coming out but i go by -- i i'm following her for a long time. as long as i've heard or known, she always says we're the rodham-clintons from illinois, illinois, illinois. for a few months i put on the tv and hear her making a speech for coal miners and this and that. she wanted their vote. all of a sudden now, 25 years later she's from scranton pennsylvania.
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i heard her say with her own mouth. my point is she will do and say anything to get what she wants to get a vote. that's proof of lying. she will do and say anything to get what she wants and that's why i don't trust her. host: let's get a response. guest: perhaps the most damaging email was the excerpt from one of the frans scripts of her wall streach speech in which she talks about a need for a public and private position in policy making. that has certainly been probably the single expression from these e-mails that has kind of gained the most traction perhaps because it does play into some concerns that critics have of mrs. clinton that she is not trust worthy. host: one of the e-mails that were released appear to show a private email account of her
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and president obama says in the obama e-mails 6 talk a little bit about that. what sort of information does it appear that these releases are trying to divulge or is it mostly trying to embarrass people? guest: with that particular email, i think the nugget of
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information in there that generated interest was that was an email address hadn't formally known to be associated with the president. but the thing about wikileaks that has sort of characaterized their releases of documents sort of since the beginning of this campaign is they keep promising to deliver the death nail for the clinton campaign but they've largely overpromised and underdelivered. while there's been revelations that have been seen as embarrassing for mrs. clinton there hasn't been anything that has yet amounted to a true october surprise. now, who knows what's going to come out in this sprint leading to november 8 but that's been the narrative so far. host: just over two weeks left. could more be coming? guest: there's ooshslule more coming if julian is to be believed. still thousands of e-mails from mr. podesta's account still to be released. so we'll see what's in them. host: you are on with katie of
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the hill. caller: two months ago, trump on a campaign -- i don't know what he was doing there. but he had a campaign. he said russia, if you're listening, please get me those e-mails. and then a few months later hillary clinton's e-mails. and then two months later they were there. and he claims he doesn't know anything about is it russia or what. he said that in public. nobody mention that is but he actually asked them to get hillary clinton's e-mails that were missing and they did. host: let's get a response. these aren't the e-mails that she deleted. guest: those are being released through a foia request. the f.b.i. recovered about 15,000 e-mails that clinton
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deleted when her lawyers purged the personal e-mails from the work-related ones before she turned the work-related ones tot state department. the f.b.i. recovered 15,000. they released those made the second release yesterday. they're largely dupe cats. they tend -- they so far have been documents that were already released through other requests, perhaps an email that was an identical email chain forwarded with the line, please print at the top. that's the kind of thing coming out. host: virginia from alabama. good morning. caller: good morning. i would just like to ask a question. i would like to make a comment first. i would like to ask a question. i am a retired civil servant that worked in the top secret capacity. for these e-mails to be
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released and for the media to take a hold of them and publish them and talk about them like you're doing, to me, it's a hindrance to our government. in order to destroy a government you must destroy it from within. we have no e-mails from the republican party. we know nothing about what they are doing. when we get down gist of this, we're going to find out that this was also done from within dealing with hillary clinton. now, i don't agree with everything that she does and she says, but then for donald trump -- and i agree with the other caller when he made the announcement to hack into her email. now, this is espionage as far
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as i'm concerned. host: let's get a response. guest: a lot of people do see this as espionage including the clinton campaign. given the fact that these e-mails were most likely stolen by the russian government and then provided to wikileaks to publish, there's a great deal of concern in security research community that foreign intelligence agencies are now using the platform of wikileaks effectively as a weapon to try to somehow influence public opinion and have an impact on the results of the election. host: a new jersey judge wrote a piece for fox news exploring the question as to whether the media can reveal things that are disclosed in these wikileaks dumps.
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what information do you have whether it's ok to write or talk about them? guest: we've been pretty aggressive in covering the content of the e-mails, making clear that they were stolen and have not been authenticated, as well as the larger geopolitical conversation surrounding whether or not this is an attempt to influence the election. but one of the really interesting things about wickie leaks that you're hearing from quite a few of the research critics of the organization is
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that they don't do what journalists do when they're provided sort of a mass data dump. what some of my sources in the security research community are telling me is that genuine whistleblowers are not going to wikileaks. they're going to the guardian or they're going to the organization that put out the panama papers, because journalists have a process by which they remove personally identifyable information that isn't of the public interest. and they also vet it for accuracy. wikileaks has a very dump it all approach. anything that they get they're going to stick out there. they don't pull personal information for people that might be vulnerable and have no public interest. and they've received a lot of criticism for that. there's also some big questions about how they fact check their information. they're not very transparent about what their process is for ensuring that these documents are authentic and haven't been tampered with. they say they have a 100%
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strike rate but there's really no way to know. host: john from pennsylvania on our republican line. caller: good morning. i want to address this allegation that the russiansing are behind it and trump is a upe of the russians. whatever. you nterestingly enough, may be aware, you had a's a guest about a year ago the author of clinton cash. simply that, clinton cash. it was really an explosive book that had all kinds of revelations. it was reviewed by the "washington post" and the "new york times." you can google it. specifically, uranium one. clinton cash, "new york times." and it's a fascinating story. but i read the book almost immediately. and the une numb one story, which is this one segment in
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the book is extraordinary. bill clinton took his good pal on his private jet, his friend flew him to kazakstan, bill met with the dictater, had a big feast. the next day bill took his good iend billionaire to meet the dictater. there was a competition for uranium rights in cazzic stan, which all the major companies in the world were fighting for. host: do you have a question for katie? caller: a week later he was given the contract. ultimately what happened is the russians acquired the company and the clinton foundation got $140 million of campaign contributions. i mean, the foundation got $140 million of contributions to the
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clinton foundation. host: i want to give katie a chance to respond. guest: there are certainly concerns from the republicans's side of the field that -- let me rephrase that. there's certainly sort of hopes i think amongst some of clinton's critics that there will be something in the e-mails that will effectively be the thing that is able to bring clibten down somewhere between now and november 8. but the question is, will that revelation be in there? and what impact will it have in the next couple of weeks? host: let's take a look at what republican candidate donald trump himself said about the impact of these wikileaks revelations on the clinton campaign on thursday. >> hillary clinton has raised countless millions of dollars from big donors who want to ship our jobs to other countries.
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you know that. you saw that last night. i said open border. i don't want open border. but it turned out she wanted open borders. that wikileaks has done a job on her. and you take a look. she really has a hatred almost for catholics. she's got a hatred for evangelicals. what they said about catholics and so many other things. so many other things. and actually, the one i like was john poddesta saying that who is her campaign chairman, saying that hillary clinton has bad instincts. she's got bad instincts. i don't want somebody with bad instincts as our president. i'll tell you, if i were hillary i would fire that guy. he's said so many bad things. host: how big of an impact is this having on at least donald trump's attacks on hillary clinton? guest: we started to see him
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grab ahold of the revelations in some of the specific e-mails. but there's some strategists are concerned that he really missed his opportunity with a lot of the content of the e-mails to grab ahold of some of the earlier ones that came out of wall street that had clear defined talking points that were easy to understand. he took a lot of really started honing in on single e-mails. he would mention them but not really drill down on them. host: and some of the e-mails did have some things he could have taken ahold of. for example, the claim that pay to play during her tenure at the state department again rt in ca said that one email january 2015 detailed how moroccan authorities donated to the clinton foundation's global initiative to get access to clinton 6789
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host: what sparked your interest in getting involved in the shift from music to politics? seattle involved in the music community. ,here was censorship in seattle washington state. anti-music laws. to makevolved trying and rules pro music. along the way, i got my civic education. i discovered things could the better and there were too many uncontested elections, a lot of cynicism, a lot of disconnection. at the time, i would type in election reform, a lection's, and one group came up. them.ted working with
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i joined the board about 12 years ago. in 2008, i became the chair of the board. host: one of the biggest things you are advocating is ranked choice voting. explain what that is. to votersgives power because you have the ability to rank your choices. in the primary election, if you voted for ted cruz or bernie sanders, in the general election, you get a second choice. voting, youchoice can put you first choice down on and sayot as number one you have your second choice, you put that as your number two. they count the ballots. whoever has the most first choices, if it is a majority,
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they can win the election. if there is no majority, it is a runoff. kind of the primary general election dynamic. the last-place candidate is eliminated and the second and third choices count for the remaining candidates and those add up until those candidates, one of them gets the majority and wins the election. viewers can join this conversation. democrats, (202) 748-8000. republicans, (202) 748-8001. independents, (202) 748-8002. those supporting third-party candidates can call (202) 748-8003. is there a political bend of fairvote? we have people from all
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walks of life. we are nonpartisan. legal, they are nonpartisan. two --re 10 cities with 2.4 million voters that use ranked ballot. caller: two points i would like to make and hopefully we will get a common. the first point, i know it is constitutional amendment to eliminate the electoral college and count strictly the votes. point number two, minimize fraud in the elections.
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a national law, not a state law where it is run by state. a national law requiring at the time of registration, the social security number would be put down, which would minimize fraud, stop the dead people from voting. passes away, we can close that door. thanks, gary. voting, noce .onstitutional amendment is forchoice voting
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equal protection of the 14th amendment of the constitution. does, you can put down your first choice, someone you want, and not be afraid you are throwing your vote away. people are freaked out about elections now. if you look at facebook, people are upset saying on one of the two major party candidates and it is getting heavy. you want to express a third party or independent and you get a costed. costed -- acc a osted. that is how you get more voices and choices. more thirdelect
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parties or independence. they are part of the dialogue. there is more civility in elections. there is less negative campaigning and more positive campaigning. that is what we need in the united states. host: ranked choice voting is an issue playing out in maine. fairvote, it is devoted to your support for question number five. talk about that a little bit and what it would change in maine. mainers need to decide if they want more choices and power on the ballot. they really want changes. they tend to vote for the person, not the party.
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they elect independent candidates. ranked choice voting is perfect for them. he gives more choices on the ballot and more choices in the election. in an editorial, ranked choice voting, which a number of the majority of legislative races including only two candidates have only two candidates in each election. what is your reaction? guest: it gives voters more power and gives voters more voices and more choices on the ballot. no election system is perfect. it is a better system than we have now.
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you are told you are throwing your vote away, spoiling the election. ranked voting works. you can vote for the candidate you think has the best ideas and not necessarily the most money. francisco, they had ranked choice voting over the last 10 years. .ore women have gotten elected with kristre on novoselic. myler: thank you for taking call. i have always been independent. i am pushing republic for the fact i feel obama and clinton are pushing us towards war. i am not sure about your -- we need reform.
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into what you are talking about by your numbering system a little more. electiontely need the to change. it seems we don't get to hear their policies anymore. caller: you go to, there is plenty of information about ranked voting. it is a ranking system. you want to express yourself. a first choice and it doesn't count against your second or third choice. they count the ballots and on maine,rsion in intellects majority winners instead of -- you know what they do in maine, they elect candidates who have a minority. the majority of voters, they have three-way races in maine
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because they are so independent. most voters of voted for someone else. that is not good for government. you should have majority winners. host: it talks about ranked congressionalin races, it furthers the ideal of proportional representation. the winner take all method in congress is a central problems withor our politics, gerrymandering, partisan gridlock, no choice selections and distortions in fair representation. we need to and gerrymandering. we need to take the power away from insiders, the partisans, who draw the maps to benefit themselves and their parties.
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we need to put power in the hands where it belongs, with voters. voters have the power. somewherecommission drawing who the winners and losers are before any ballot has passed. voters have the power to decide who represents them. district and voters decide we want to elect two republicans and one democrat or one democrat and one republican. there is alsofor independence and third parties. politics is so polarized in the united states. promisesoice voting more bridge builder candidates. this is what it boils down to. no more gerrymandering, no more
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politicians and insiders drawing maps to benefit themselves. andou are a taxpayer subject to laws and rules of the land, you should decide who represents you in congress or your state legislature or city council, not insiders gerrymandering maps to benefit themselves. is calling in. you are on with krist novoselic. caller: thank you for your help for fairvote. member of the main league of women voters. we worked hard to get this initiative on the ballot. there has been some pushback from some quarters because we have a quite unpopular governor. if you look back historically, democrats and republicans have not received a majority of votes.
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i think your point is well taken about how this has implications to both parties. i want to thank you for your work. we are hopeful this will pass. thank you for calling. it is about maine, the needs and values of maine voters. we have a main voter who just called us and explain what her needs and values are. it is about putting power in the hands of voters. , charles, alexandria, virginia. caller: a couple of short comments. it would be great if we could eliminate congressional districts entirely and have largess people elected at from the entire state. that would eliminate gerrymandering, gives more opportunity to minority
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representation. another thing i would like to see, to have none of the above on the ballots. candidate eight, b, c, voteu don't like them, you for none of the above and throw them out and vote again. the electoral college, people are disenfranchised. if you are a republican or a democrat in utah, you are disenfranchised. no reason to go in to vote. ast take's let kirst shot at it. winnerwe do not support take all elections, the none of idea, but it is interesting you bring up at-large elections.
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we call it fair representation of voting, where voters get a share of the vote. these are not winner take all at-large districts. there are a lot of problems with those. voters can win these proportionally. charles brought up opportunities for minorities. where do you find fair representation voting and don't have winner take all roles? you find it with the voting rights act. there are over 100 cities who have solved the issue of racially charged voting and through the voting rights act of 1965, instead of single-member have these iny school boards that use these .air voting methods
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host: talk about your three americans question campaign. guest: it's different than fairvote. it is about trying to bring this i am switching gears from election reform into three american questions. it appeals to millennials. there are lurid allegations out there. aske can get past that and our lawmakers three things, our candidates three things, what he going to do about climate , and government reform?
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those are the things i am talking about with fairvote. how did you settle on these three questions? guest: it is important. it is about our future. the climate is changing. we should have policies that do something to remedy these things. we should have personal practices. -- live our lives in a way that has less impact. over $19itself is trillion. paying that money back is going to be an entitlement itself. need to start thinking about expressing ways they are going to reduce the debt. because it issue is is the scope of what i have been doing, election reform. choicecited about ranked
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voting. i live in washington state. mainers to decide. ranked choice voting is question number five on the ballot. is good for conservatives, for liberals. it is great for moderates. it is good for democrats and republicans. parties andrd independents. there is so much information out there. word search on your favorite search engine, like i did 20 years ago, and you can find out so many things and decide for yourself. we are talking to krist novoselic, chairman of fairvote. also founding member of the band well as a founding member of a joint action
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committee founded in 1995. california on our democratic line. good morning, catherine. good morning, chris. thank you to c-span for what you are doing. unless we take the money out of politics, we are never going to be a fair system. the money and politics, like in , $475 million that has been given to people running for office. it is sickening. election, we can't even depend now on the judicial system, because they are coming across as being so corrupt.
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guest: we are not a campaign finance group, however, ranked choice voting and fair shownentation voting have to negate the impact of money in politics. theave seen elections where candidate won the election. ?ow do you do that you have your base, you get your base and you bash the opponent. you get this negative campaigning, which cost millions of dollars. a lot of it is negative.
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with ranked choice voting, you have your base. you do your polling, you don't have the majority of the win, i need to reach out to voters second and third choice. how do you do that? you go out and meet people. you work with groups that knock on doors. our caller was from california. she is interested and concerned about campaign finance, which we all are. she should look at the existing about how they elect their state legislature, their governor, and many local elections and see what the impact of that is on , fundraising, polarization. california's top two election
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system is failing. we see it in the senate race, in harris purchase -- harris versus sanchez. a -- ourhate in , berkeley,caller oakland, they use ranked choice voting. you can vote for the candidate with the best ideas and not necessarily the one with the biggest bank account. that is what it is all about. describe your politics and who are you supporting in the races? moderate.m a raging i vote for the person, not the party. i am voting for gary johnson and bill wells. i am not a libertarian. , but i support public power, public land.
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i feel i am a moderate candidate and a lot of times, i feel like getting boxed into these categories, the blue box or the red box. maybe i am purple. , we you mix those colors have this binary election system where you need to vote for the one.e one or the pantsuit i need to have more choices. that is why i have an advocating election reform for 20 years that does that. i don't want to vote for the boxed into this party box. i want to see what the candidate has to say. where do you come from? to take us?u going i am tired of the negative campaigning. choice voting, there is
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less negative campaigning. out fores are reaching more of the second and third choices. they want to bring people in instead of pushing them away or clobbering them over the head. host: we are talking to krist up next, lynn calling in from rome, georgia on the independent line. i asked the screener, is this really the guy from the band nirvana or some subset group? i am showing my age. far fromcampus not the campus of the university of
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georgia. i was a grunge girl back in my college days. guest: you will always be a grunge girl. flannels ande the the boots. i enjoyed you very much. however, we will get back to politics. i enjoyed what, you said about being in the middle. i find myself being a moderate conservative republican. is the fourth leading state in the legal immigrants. i believe in legal immigration. however, if you notice on the what i justllege, even out recently is that
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though we require id when you go to vote, they are not requiring anyone to prove citizenship. as we are hearing from hillary clinton, and i am a second amendment person, i do not want anyone with any heinous to be able to have a gun. common sense. is, if you are not a , i don'tf this country believe you should be able to cast a vote in our election. host: let's let krist respond to that. guest: those are big concerns.
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to do is talk to your state representative, state yourors or legislators and express those concerns. those are the kinds of things we need to have, the kind of discussion we need to have with our elections. if we have more substantial campaigning and more voices, more choices out there, appealing and reaching out to you as a voter, i think you can express what your concerns are. rutgers university study i showed, it showed over 75% of easyoters showed it was an process. how do you show your choices
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juggle you pay attention to issues and see what candidates are expressing the issues that you care about. a first choice, you vote them as your first choice, everyone getsce -- a ballot, all the choices are the same. this is equal protection, what it is. andyone has their own needs values. let's take a moment to speak about music. guest: finally. the 25th6 represents anniversary of nirvana's "nevermind." i have my copy of the cd right here. talk a little bit about the significance of this album. did you expect that to happen
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when you recorded it? guest: 25 years went by so fast. there were so many great records out there. i love records and music. i listen to all cuts of music. i have thousands and thousands of lps. honored thatpy and nirvana is considered part of that. thank you. thank you, listeners out there, who do that for us. there were a lot of great bands that came before us and after us. out groll is selling stadiums, flying the flag for rock 'n roll. it is a great time to remember her cook it -- kurt cobain. the simple answer, thank you. host: eleanor is calling in on
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the independent line. you are on. guest: thank you. thank you for doing all the good work you are doing. my concern is with implementation of the counting of the ballots. machines,ount using there has got to be some way to check, you've got to have paper ballots, of course, people have to be able to recount in some manner. i don't trust the machine to implement rank choice. guest: there are 9000 jurisdictions in the united everything is different. there's all this talk of rigging elections. i don't really buy it. decentralized in mye of election --
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county, where i live, we has paper ballots. i'm not really worried about anyone rigging the election because there is a paper document. the dollar is a record. whohave the same vendors ballotsold-fashioned and it is up to the voter. the system is not a new system. about a hundred years ago, era,ng the progress o they did not have machines been. when you go online and look at some videos, there are some great demonstrations of how thee post-it notes, how
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voting works. you should not be afraid of any voting fraud, not at all. that one demonstration is more choices do not mean necessarily better choices. while often the argument is made that third-party candidates are unviable, and by voting for them, you are throwing a vote way, she writes, these third-party options are bad not something because of the impracticality, or the underdog status, they are unfit for office. what is your reaction to that? guest: that is her opinion and she is entitled to that opinion. minneapolisction in , there were like 25 candidates on the ballot.
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voters work through those ballots. sure, there were these fringe candidates. they got a mini school -- middle niscule share of the vote. a favorite candidate won the election. it would cost like $45 to get on the ballot in minneapolis. they were voting next-door at .he same time in st. paul there were six candidates on the ballot. why is that? the ballot access cost more money to get on the ballot. you will always have unviable candidates or show boats or crusaders. you can put the brakes on democracy a bit. you can have reasonable ballot access requirements, but not
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heavy ones. again, this is the beauty of america. you can hold up a sign saying, the end is near. crusading is not against the law. we can have reasonable ballot access rules and voting to accommodate all the choices. host: ok. roland is calling in from new hampshire. about: i have a question voting abroad. i called the kennedy office years ago about fraud. i see people in massachusetts with different ideas. you can get a license anywhere. they go to new york, collect food stamps, and then they come to massachusetts, and collect over here. all they had to do was put a thumbprint and picture and it
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would start the fraud. i was told it would cost too much money. they can get a license anywhere. let the guests respond. an issueain, that is legislator. for: you considered running senator in washington at one point. would you consider running for office in the future? guest: i'm into bands right now, i'm having a blast. graduatedcollege and with a degree in social sciences last may. i'm having a blast. i can to be on c-span with you.
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i get to take calls and travel. i'm pretty happy. at this point in my life, i an't really need a job being lawmaker. if i were to do it, i would take it really seriously. i take what i do right now really seriously. i play guitar and accordion every day. i love playing in my pants. host: what bands are you in? aest: giants in the trees, rock band. and another band that is more arty. host: sherry, you are on. caller: good morning. i hate to date myself, but the beatles is my favorite
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band of all time. guest: bravo. caller: ird voted a week and a half ago. guest: voting, good. caller: is there anything we can do about term limits? some of these congressmen, half of them probably have dementia. isn't anything we can do about term limits? guest: term limits is not a policy proposal of fair vote. there are some good groups of their proposing term limits. again, there are so many opportunities for people to get involved in elections and not necessarily run for office. get a stop sign at the end of your block or to make an intersection safer. that is civic participation. i have worked with my low
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lagrange, a local fraternal group. i stay connected with the community. i find it really rewarding. it is like a relationship. you give something, but you want to get something back also. i'm concerned about election reform, like how to give voters more choices. that is why i support rank choice voting. weekend voters more power. host: ok, lee is calling in. good morning. caller: i was just wondering if illegal immigrant in georgia can get a drivers license. guest: i'm not from georgia, i don't really know about that issue. host: tom is calling in from
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harrisburg, pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. election, one of the descendents of the kennedys was talking to how to ensure their voting. rolling stone did a big article. i'm wondering whatever happened. know whaton't really happened about that. i'm concerned about voter fraud. i don't want anyone to still be election. fraud,think there is call your local law enforcement right away and give them the evidence so we do not have a rigged election. it is as simple as that. if you go online, they're all of .hese conspiracies
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if anything was really true -- where are the prosecutions? we have lots of law enforcement out there. not just innuendo. why: tell us specifically you are here in washington, d.c. this weekend. guest: i'm here to support rank to join you, i'm doing a ted talk. and here to take in the sights of the national capital and taken the energy. a greaton, d.c. is city. there is a lot to see and do. there is a lot of opportunities to get involved. there are a lot of groups out there advocating things to make
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things better. host: good morning, walter. caller: good morning. i'm registered as a republican, for thisi'm not voting gentleman who does not have any class, no knowledge of how to handle or talk to people. he is a narcissist. i will vote for mrs. clinton. i'm surprised few people except she is a very intelligent woman. very much beneficial to the united states. host: get to your question. caller: just two seconds, please. one of the first speeches of mr. no one noticed, he praised adolf hitler and talked about the inconvenience of
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hitler's, having to deal with these two assemblies in the 1930's. host: ok, let's see if there is a response to that. guest: i think walter is a great example of the passion for politics. walter is a republican voter, but he does not like the nominee. he wants another choice. for choice voting is great walter. all quebec to what i said earlier. you can have a second choice. ore you voted for cruise bernie sanders in the primary election. they did not win. now, you need a second choice. right? right choice voting on one ballot gives you a second choice. if there is a candidate that you really don't like, you are not
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necessarily throwing your vote away, wasting your vote, having give friends say that you are spoiling the election and freak out on you. you say, hey, this is how i want to vote. choice voting gives us our power to express preferences. we get a first race, a second choice, a third choice. arice is-- murray' calling in. caller: good morning. a fan of foremost, i'm nirvana, especially the first two albums. secondly, i have some questions. i'm also a fan of frank choice -- rank choice voting.
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how do you feel about proportional representation of other electoral college ballots? public financing of campaigns, also, mandatory voting in itself. host: ok, with a few seconds left -- guest: thank you for the kind words. electro college reform, there is a national popular vote plan. check it out. three for, there are basic things that we advocate. bring choice voting, single member districts and equal over visitation. eligible college reform in the form of the national popular vote. that is so we are advocating. we think it would give voters more power, make elections positive and give us choices
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that we are demanding as modern consumers. host: all right. , founder andic member of nirvana. thank you for joining us today. guest: thank you. host: coming out, we will be taking calls specifically from those members of the military about your choice for 2016. we will also get a life update on iraq and the battle in mo sul. stay tuned. ♪ >> sunday night at 9:00 eastern words a gst tal about r experien aan uncunted iignt ander bo, " arin dream."
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to the complete schedule, go >> "washington journal" continues. host: we are taking your calls from members of the military only, asking members of the military, who is your choice for 2016. active members of the armed services can call (202) 748-8000 . retired military members can call (202) 748-8001. in just a moment, we will also get an update on the situation in iraq. but first, we have tom calling in from illinois, retired military. what branch did you serve in? caller: the army. host: who is your choice in this election? caller: i'm going for trump 100%. but seen a lot of things, when you come to a situation like benghazi, when you have
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black water like one mile away, and the government tells andkwater to stand down allow people to be slaughtered like that, it is unconscionable. the pager, any brother in arms would go to help his brother. there is no reason for a person to be told to stand down and allow his brother to be killed. it is just unconscionable. host: is at the top issue for you in this election? caller: that is not the top lived the, i have experience of being told, do exactly what we say, that is it. i followed my orders, i did everything i was supposed to. i was on of the discharge. reenlist, by to
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turned it down because they did basically mercy areies him -- mercenaries hi part of the little system. it is unreal. we are empire building. the roman empire did not last. it is scary. host: we will just take a moment to pause while we speak with ben castling. he is a staff reporter from "washington journal" and he will give us an update on the situation in mosul. thank you for joining us. where does the operation to l stand at this hour? guest: it officially launched earlier this week, as you know. then, there was a slight cause
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as the troops got ready for a new push. thispushes underway at time. that is coming in from the northeast and ease. takinge consistently .illages it is sort of a gateway to places that are a gateway to mosul. yesterday and today, this long state was able to mount a sort of counter attack. 100 isisre that over militants were pushed into that town. it demonstrates the fact that isis is still able to mount these attacks using pockets of
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resistance throughout the country. that is where things stand this morning. host: we are talking about the l.tuation in mosu you wrote that the latest is islamic state are burning sulfur creatingar mosul havoc. tells more about that. guest: on thursday, the islamic sulfur atfire to some a plant. those clouds have been building for a couple of days. at ahat is a blowing over town knowing for having oil fire as well. there is an oil-based there. thenoxious fumes as well as oil fires are causing concerns
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fumesthe toxic levels of coming over. some troops actually put on gas .asks u.s. forces right now are trying to assess how much of a toxic effect that will have. since then, the sulfur fires have been reported to be put out by the iraqi forces. the fires have been burning for about two months, creating a permanent plume and creating this nasty flurry of residue. it is very toxic and nauseous. host: talk to us a little bit about how deep the u.s. involvement is trying to retake mosul. guest: right now there are approximately 5000 troops on the
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ground. it could range from anything u.s. special to .orces groups host: we appear to have lost n, a staff reporter for "the wall street journal." we thank him for updating us from the ground on the effort to retake mosul from islamic state control. back to our discussion with members of the military about who they are supporting in 2016. next, we have michael calling from pennsylvania, a retired member of the military. caller: good morning. host: who are you supporting in the election? caller: mr. trump.
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host: y? -- why? caller: i've been a longtime democrat, raised under the democratic umbrella. for many years, i have been all the democratic people i have put into office. they are still in the senate. , i example, dick durbin voted for all of the people in office, impeached. i know the clintons, bill clinton, if you look at his history, he did a good job. that, i think i hiredd in 2008, and i was after that as a military analyst . and 59 years of age. somewhere along the line, i was
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doing some research and started looking at some things. i noticed certain things about economics. and thought, this is nuts. you this, hassk looking at those things caused you to change your position across the ballot? will you be voting all republican or split ticket? guest: i posted on facebook, and again, i watch c-span every day. i watch it in the morning when i get up, i also watch it at night when i get off work. sometimes, i may watch it at work. i may be watching it during the segments. i have watched the house, the senate, and i see the same
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people say the same thing over and over again. the minority leaders and majority leaders, i keep hearing the same thing. i know there are elections coming up. people in the senate, and kelly ayotte, i listened to her on the radio. she is up for reelection. different people in ohio and incumbents -- host: is that affecting what party you are voting for? for someonevoting incumbent. not an i put a statement out there to knock off the incumbents. host: ok. robert is calling in, a retired member of the military.
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in what branch did you serve? caller: in the u.s. navy for the .irst three years i served in the army national guard. host: who are you supporting for president? caller: i'm voting for trump, 100% trump. host: what is the top issue that makes you back mr. trump? he is for the veterans. hillary is not. think that sheo has your vote. the worstg he does -- thing that obama ever did was come up with the v choice. .ou can't hardly use it
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you have to still wait a long time. that's not right. i am 100% trump. host: ok. jim is calling in, also a retired member of the military. in 2016?ou supporting caller: trump. host: tell us why. caller: i come from a fairly large city in massachusetts where my grandfather was a democratic politician. my mother used to run the polls. kid, you think about what was going on with the government. i thought firsthand when i was in the coast guard. i got involved in a lot of
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different things. the government was not doing things that made sense. that was part of the problem. money, what do you need, what you want? if we can get the money, how much can you spend? that's not make any sense. you spend what you need to spend. it was not a good experience. the other zynga what to talk about is the media. i remember watching walter cronkite lie to us about what .as going gone in vietnam that is about all i have to say. mark we have, up next, colligan, a retired member of the military. what branch? caller: i was in the u.s. navy, and vietnam. let me say, i think you do a truth that job.
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of asked the best questions people. i'm kind of a recovering republican. i grew up in the republican party. this republican party is not the republican party i grew up with. it was eisenhower, nixon, jacob javits in new york state, rockefeller, reagan. republicans are so far to the right, it is scary. i cannot vote for trump. he has left a trail of broken promises throughout his entire career. i was going to vote for hillary, but i can't. a commentator, a fox news commentator, as well as
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being a doctor. i cannot vote for either of these people. you this, howsk does that affect how you will be voting in down ballot races? i usually vote for the -- caller: i usually vote for the person. i don't usually vote down ballot. in four voted democrat years. i was going to vote for hillary, but i'm not. i would also just like to send my thoughts and prayers to the family of officer finnan of the navy who died yesterday. my father was a chief petty officer. i take this -- anyhow, that is
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all i want to say. also, let me say, if it was not for the press, the bastille would have never fallen. host: referring to the first casualty yesterday in the battle retake most of. active members of the military can call (202) 748-8000. retired members can call (202) 748-8001. let us know who your choices. up next, ted calling in from oregon. you are a retired member of the military. who is your take? caller: here in oregon, they sent your ballot in. i just do not know. i've never seen anything like it. .'m a noncommissioned officer
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i have been watching this going years. any one of them from the vietnam era who did not serve up, they have nothing to say. as far as mr. trump goes, i understand there are a lot of people behind him. it is quite frightening. what will you do for veterans? he has never said. all kinds ofs got experience behind her. i'm jaded. rn.ave never been so tow i'm a retired union public. -- plumber.
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you can almost guess, i'm moderate to the left. host: what are the top issues drive think your decision-making process? the economy, the v.a., what would you like to hear more of from the candidates? caller: what i would like to hear is i made a couple of friends here in the past month. a couple of brothers from oklahoma who served active duty in the army. everyone knows that ranges are extremely tough. medic.them was a that withtelling me making 3200,ey are 3500 per month. military contractors are making 5200 per month.
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-- let's go back to military benghazi. every one of them taken down taken down. let's get this done. thank you. in inwayne is calling what branch did you serve? caller: united states army. host: who is your pick this year for the election? caller: i thought about it for a long time. i have to go with trump. . voted for ted cruz beat -- person trump is a better
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. religious wise, i would like him to be president. there are a lot of things going on. killingk about, muslims, this and that. what about all the christians being killed in the middle east? you never hear a word about that. in iraq, they pulled .ight out of their i think it is a disgrace. host: how about down ballot in the congressional races. will you vote straight republican? will you split your ticket? caller: the only person i will vote for democrat is chuck schumer. i'm not going to vote for any of the democrats on the to pick -- ticket. from norma is calling in
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for genia. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. who are you supporting? caller: hillary clinton. first and foremost because i am female. donald trump has insulted me. we have worked hard for the rights that we have. people can bypass all they want, locker room talks, we have had enough of that. host: ok. caller: the second top priority is taxes.
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i pay taxes. show hisot want to taxes. very he is a military dodger as well. they know why hillary clinton is the map qualified. for presidentue of the united states. host: ok. we are talking to members of our military about their choices. there is a report saying that numbers of the military vote at a far greater percentage than civilians says a report released ofthursday saying that 73.8% veterans reported a vote in elections versus 57.2% of
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civilians. the floater advocacy group works to challenge a negative notion of veterans. we are talking about your choices for 2016 both in the president shall race and down ballot. active military members, (202) 748-8000 (202) 748-8001. retired members of the military,. now, john from hattiesburg, mississippi is joining us. you are retired. what branch are you serving in? caller: u.s. army. host: who are you supporting in 2016 jekyll caller? caller: trump. host: tell us why. theer: in my opinion, democrats have decimated many cities in the united states.
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i have seen it firsthand in mississippi, texas, and all over the united states. they have decimated the military. the democrats, whatever they are in charge of, they have destroyed and filled the cities with entitlements. they have done nothing to improve the lives of people. and a veteran that supports hillary is uninformed, totally. if people would look at what they have done to the military -- look at our retirement pay. is a democrat in my opinion. i usually vote straight republican. his case and mcconnell, they need to be voted out. trump is a change agent. he will go in there and fix what is wrong in washington. even though he has many personal issues about women and other
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things, he does have people skills that he needs to work on. believe, without a shadow of a doubt, will fix the border issue. them that are of hurting the americans getting jobs. they are paying them under the table, no health benefits to these illegals. a lot of them are unemployed because of that. no military should vote democrat. host: ok. acording to "military times," new poll out this week shows that most members of the military support donald trump. it shows a continued strong support for republican present shall nominee donald trump,
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despite recent scandals surrounding his campaign. just over 40% of those polled support donald trump. johnson andgary hillary clinton coming in third. of next, mike calling in from georgia. in what branch to serve? caller: u.s. navy. host: who are you supporting this year? caller: i've already sent my absentee ballot for gary johnson. host: tell us by you are supporting mr. johnson. caller: first off, i believe neither of the other two have performed over the last 20-30 years well enough to be deserving. taken, trump cannot be seriously anymore. he made a comment about john
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manner,n a derogatory referring to the man who stayed years extra and a prison camp when he was given an opportunity to leave early. he stuck by the code of conduct to receive parole and special favor from the enemy and continue to be subject to himial treatment to make heavy cap for the rest of his life. to make a joke that he liked the guys who did not get caught -- at that time, i could not take him seriously. host: let me ask you this. in the past, most candidates for president had military experience. the last few presence we have had have not. neither candidate now. would you like to see more people with military experience
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running for office? caller: yes, definitely. , colin the best shot .owell there were points when he was pulling as the most trusted figure in american government. that, since him we have not had anyone like that come along. host: tony is calling in from florida, a retired member of the military. good morning. host: who are you supporting this election? caller: hillary clinton. i would never support a draft dodger. he says he likes to fight. he had his chance in korea.
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where was he at? foot. a sore then, a doctor excused him. nothing but fraud. discharged and i was in new york -- if you see the way this guy ask, he is terrible to women. terrible. next, talking to robert , a retired member of the military. good morning. caller: good morning. just to let you know, i won the lottery and 1970, i got to go to vietnam. i got hurt. one thing that really gets me -- i'm talking right now, right? host: you are on, talking to all of us. caller: trump and bill clinton got out of the vietnam war. how they did it both hurts my
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feelings. date,, getting back to to i had classifications. they were going to be secret, top secret. i will not talk about what i did in war and subsequently afterwards. that really bothers me now. i think most of these candidates politician.a p for they could care less about the .ther side i have two members right now. one in afghanistan. my son-in-law is a marine. about theings military today is very sad. i wish people could bring this country together some other way than these two parties. that is all i have to say other than c-span is great. thank you for your time.
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host: ok. beast" talking about donald trump's refusal to accept the election results. i was playing out and the pentagon. the rhetoric of the debate will lead to violence. sayingmp said, what i am , i will tell you at the time, keep you in suspense.
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host: up next we have robert calling in from louisiana, a retired member of the military. good morning. caller: good morning for taking my call. host: who was your choice this year? caller: my choice is going to be hillary, i a long shot. for those who it is not, i do wanting toeir logic put someone in the office of that shot has thatlong experience in the temperament. , there ise is likened her husband who has been president and was a pretty decent president.
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he has her back as far as those things that maybe she is not able to make a good decision in the best interest of the country. is an who is can experienced guide. -- guy. host: let me ask what i have asked others, do you wish there were more candidates with military experience? do you think would be an asset to the president of the united states? caller: that would always be good. they would have a first-hand knowledge of the military and the inner workings of the military. thereby, for the protection of this country. to go further, to say, and not being that critical of mr. trump
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, i lived in new york during the becoming a millionaire, billionaire, whatever he is now. it has not been proven that he is either. steppingsed people as stones. he did not have any kind of of lessor people fortunate that were not on his level in terms of financial capability. he does not care for things that he cannot control and people he cannot control. host: next up is bud. caller: good morning. i enjoy watching your show a lot. it is very informative. i'm voting for trump.
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i just cannot trust her. . used to be a democrat i cannot trust somebody who deleted e-mails, 50 of them having classified material in them. i just cannot focus for her. host: is that a top issue for you in this election? disqualifier? caller: it is. i used to have a security clearance when i was in. now, i am disabled and getting once i hit 60. if i had done what she had done with classified e-mails, i would probably be in prison. as somebody -- every year you
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have to go through classified some drives or cds, anything classified, you have to go through a certain amount of schooling online to validate your security clearance. yes, it is a big deal. it is really bad that somebody who is qualified to be commander in chief would have done that. , another retired member of the military. and what branch did you serve? caller: u.s. navy. host: who are you supporting? caller: hillary clinton. host: tell us why. caller: i don't think anyone, male or female, husband vetted vetted like she has over the years. it shows theilty,
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stupidity and illogical things they have thrown at her and her husband over the years. we tried to stick it to her because it is not true. i would not vote for donald trump in any election, even for dog catcher. i don't understand how people in the military, retired or active, can vote for this guy after what he had said about john mccain and the fiasco about the money heldeld from the -- he from the charity for the military. it is beyond me. host: harry, who are you supporting this year? caller: donald trump. host: tell us why. caller: two major reasons. i've been dealing with hillary for 30 years. are you there? host: yes.
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you have a couple of seconds left. tell us other point. caller: the second thing is bill clinton. country.ces the he made us the living stock of the world. on tomorrow's "washington journal" which begins at 7:00 tomorrow, we will be joined by david wasserman, house editor of the cook political report. he will be here to talk about the 2016 house races. also, spencer overton of george washington university as well as john fund. , talking aboutt ing security. we also have our 2016
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battleground states series. monday, we focus on north carolina. tuesday, iowa. wednesday, pennsylvania. thursday, florida. friday, ohio. taking a look at those key states in this election. that is all for today's "washington journal." see you back your tomorrow at 7:00. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] >> next, the candidates running for the u.s. house seat in maine's second congressional for a debate. later, hillary clinton and tim kaine at a rally in pittsburgh. then, donald trump and mike since in cleveland.


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