tv New York Congressional 19th District Debate CSPAN October 25, 2016 8:02pm-9:05pm EDT
19th congressional district currently held by chris gibson who was not running for reelection. the district includes cooperstown and kingston. time warner hosted this debate in woodstock, new york. ♪ moderator: hello, and welcome to the time warner cable debate between the 19th congressional candidates. we are coming to life from the woodstock playhouse and i am liz benjamin. the best: and i am men -- -- nick craze nick reisman. we have zephyr teachout, a law school professor and democrats. interestingly, both candidates have previously run for governor. here we have the
roles that the candidates have agreed to before the debate. one minute for an opening statement and one minute for a close. we will ask questions on a variety of topics. in one minute limit with a 42nd 0 second allowed at discretion. then the lightning round. questions restricted to guess and no as much as possible. the order of statements was determined earlier by chance and first is ms. teachout. ms. teachout, this is a current events question. very excited. mr. reisman: go ahead. please. ms. teachout: i am zephyr teachout. , everybody here but most importantly everybody watching
the debate tonight. i love this country and i am running for congress because i am worried about it. patriots.onomic i think we should focus on bringing jobs home, supporting local farming, and making things in america again. i am also running because we have to protect water from big polluters, whether pacific falls or the hudson. in there is a bigger issue the country. we have a crisis of democracy. merywhere i go, people ask how can we get congress to work again for the people, not the corporations or political parties. i have worked with many of you on fracking, taking on corruption in albany. i have always been independent that i wille you be an independent voice in congress because i cannot be bought. ms. benjamin: think you very much. mr. faso? mr. faso: thank you and thanks to my opponent and the audience
at the woodstock playhouse. this is a great, great venue. i am running for congress because our country is in crisis. an economic crisis which is threatening the very future. our children and grandchildren are going to be saddled with an enormous amount of debt. we would be the first generation to leave our children and grandchildren with a country worse off than the one we found it. we have it in our capacity to fix it. i have laid out a program to get small business economy is moving again. we also face a crisis of national security, and we have to make sure that america is strong, that defenses are second to none, and that we have the best intelligence and diplomatic capacities in the world. it is a privilege and honor to run for the office and if i am honored to serve, i will give every measure of devotion to the people of the district in the united states of america. mr. reisman: now the first
question. as we speak, peshmerga fighters and iraq's security forces and u.s. support troops, or conducting a major offensive against the islamic state -- are conducting a major offensive against the islamic state. is this the right time to launch the offensive or was the u.s. to o slow? ms. teachout: we are three threats and the global we are three threats and the global environment and one of the biggest is isis. i believe that that should be in terms of involvement in terms of involvement abroad, that should be the focus in syria, and that should be the focus in iraq. and i have been supportive of the president's actions in those areas. i think moving forward what is incredibly important is that we keep that focus, a tough and strong focused approach.
my opponent, i was opposed to the intervention in iraq. i was opposed in libya, i will disagree with members of my party whenever i think they are making the wrong decision. of making, instead interventions which in the long term lead to instability, difficult situations like the one that we are in now, we have to use our judgment in terms of where we intervene in the first place. mr. reisman: just to follow up, there have been developments on potentially having turkish forces moving into the region. the u.s. welcome the turkish forces as a part of the involvement? ms. teachout: i think alliances are incredibly important. the way i would approach this is talking to military leaders about judgment on what is happening to the ground. i respect the people on the ground and believe there is a lot more wisdom than from a distance. mr. reisman: mr. faso? mr. faso: while i do agree that
combating isis is critically important to the security in that region and our country and the free world, the fact of the matter is that the coordinated attack that is being made now is being well planned and executed, i believe, and we know that isis is going to be an evolving threat and they have done this and other areas. protect your cook just the other day -- they attacked your cook just the other day. made us nuclear deal less secure and opened the door to nuclear proliferation in that region. it is highly likely that if iran gets a weapon, so will saudi arabia, which will destabilize the region. a follow-up, the 500 troops. the u.s. commit ground troops to this area -- should the u.s. commit ground troops to this area?
mr. faso: we should rely on the local nations who have the first line of defense. troops,o not have 500 we have 6005 at 8000 special forces and other assistance in int region -- assistants that region. it is ongoing and it is vitally important that we help with the instruction and support for the iraqis and for the kurds in order for them to combat crisis successfully in that region. ms. benjamin: we move on to another topic that is equally important, getting a lot of attention during this campaign season. mr. faso, you first. trade. have heard a lot about the transpacific partnership in particular. there are now, on both sides of the aisle, opponents, despite the fact that the obama administration is championing
this. where exactly do you stand on tpp and if you are elected, regardless of who was in the white house, would you vote in favor of fast-track negotiation power to the president? mr. faso: those are two w issues two issues as you put it. i am not in favor of dvd because i think the obama administration -- tpp because i think the administration has mishandled details. i think it is plain that both of the leaders on both sides of the isgress have said that tpp not going to get voted on and is unlikely to be voted on in the lame-duck session. i do think it is of importance that trade is vitally important. we are 5% of the world's customers, 95% of live outside of the united states. it is vitally important that we understand there are 6000 plus thatin new york alone
depend on u.s.-canada trade. we have to be concerned when we hear voices saying, throughout trade agreements, because there are a lot of jobs that depend on it. i do think that the fast-track authority is critical for any president. in bothseen presidents parties over 30 years utilize fast-track authority because you cannot negotiate with 15 countries at once knowing that they can go back to the legislature and amend the agreement. congress gets an up-and-down vote. he would feel comfortable with donald trump in the white house to give him authority? mr. faso: these are all type authority -- hypotheticals. years haveover 30 had fast-track authority. that is the only way that we can actually conduct trade negotiations in a reasonable way. i do think there will be more bilateral trade agreements
between the u.s. and countries individually with the brexit and england leaving the eu and how that unfolds. we could see many more separatelydone rather than global type arrangements that are being facilitated. ms. benjamin: ok. ms. teachout? ms. teachout: this is an area where we bring differences to bear, and trade is something that i feel passionately about. john was talking about the last 35 years. we have lost so many manufacturing facilities. 15,000afta, we have lost manufacturing facilities in this country. depending on the estimates, 5 million jobs or more. luckily, a little manufacturing is coming back to the united states, but we need to bring jobs home. we can make things you again. fasttrack enables deals. not only openly, deeply opposed to the transpacific
partnership, i think we need to renegotiate trade relationships that have offshore so many jobs to china and mexico and elsewhere. i will bein congress, a strong voice for bringing jobs home. questionmin: the same to. if hillary clinton was in the white house, would you not give her the authority to fast-track deals? ms. teachout: i would not give president clinton or any other authority.ast-track the last 35 years have not helped american workers. it is time for a 21st-century policy that focuses on all workers. i want to live in a society where one in five people are making growing something. that requires looking back at all of the trade deals. basically overturns a fundamental constitutional premise and gives too much power to the executive branch. ms. benjamin: is there something you wanted to say? mr. faso: i think that mrs.
teachout fails to understand the lessons of history. when the great recession in the 20's and 30's turned into a great depression, it was because we erected trade barriers. slightly important are all of the customers of the world, that we have the ability to export. she puts all the burden on trade but every expert says that we have lost many manufacturing productivity and automation. yes, we need to make sure that we need to reform the tax code to bring the opportunity back but i have specific ideas and suggestions about doing that. ms. benjamin: we will get to that. go ahead. thateachout: i want to say i think anybody traveling through the communities can see the devastation of the loss of manufacturing jobs. there are political elites to believe that the trade deals of the last 30 years i've helped americans. some of them are big donors to my opponent.
if there is a guy named paul singer, gave $500,000 to my opponent created they are not feeling the pain of what is happening in the communities. i believe in american workers and i believe american workers can compete if- they are allowed to trade fairly. ms. benjamin: we will get to that. are going towe stick with the economy. the financial services industry was widely blamed for the 2000 they collapsed, but as is also essential for tax revenue in new york. but it is alsoed essential for tax revenue in new york. should wall street be regulated? ms. teachout: thank you for the question. in 2008, i found it a grassroots to taking on the big banks. the big banks have way too much political power, they are running the table in washington.
when you try to say, wait a second, they are too fragile, they brought down the economy, we are subsidizing them so whatly with the bailouts, you could see was that he had given so many campaign contributions and gotten so involved in lobbying in washington, that their power was drowning out the voices of small businesses. there is a whole series of things that we should do. first, we need to recognize that the watchdog group, the cfp become a there is a watchdog group that came out of the laws pb, the watchdog group that came out of the laws, is responsible for catching wells fargo. i tend to favor structural reform. breaking up the banks, supporting community banks. mr. reisman: do you think. frank guinta for enough? you think it did any good? ms. teachout: yes. they had for instance, this wash group, -- watchdog
responsible for uncovering massive fraud. otherwise wells fargo would have gotten away with even more. there are problems with bob franken areas where it went too far and not far enough. for instance, when i talked to community bankers, and you begin to see it in 2000 and nine in 2010 -- 2009 and 2010 in washington. big banks put regulations on small banks that drowned them out and made it hard to compete. mr. faso: i listened to this imagined series of explanations from ms. teachout and it is like they are playing monopoly, looking at the bankers on the monopoly board. the consumerhat finance protection board did not uncover wells fargo. that wasn't covered by the los angeles city attorney. how she relates history that is two weeks old is beyond me. -- that was uncovered by the los angeles city attorney. ago, it was declared
unconstitutional under dodd frank, it was an unaccountable bureaucracy subject to no appropriation power of congress, subject to no oversight. this is what the left elites want, they want super bureaucracies to control every thatt of the economy, and is perfectly acceptable ms. teachout, but it does not work. that is why we have the financial crisis. not because we did not have enough regulation, because we had bad regulation and oversight. mr. reisman: i do want ms. teachout to respond to this, but do you think there are any regulations to put in place for wall street? mr. faso: wall street is and should beated closely regulated but i would not want to do what ms. teachout did two years ago. $10 millionn -- stock transfer tax. every teacher with a pension, every worker with an ira, is
every timet a tax there is a transaction. this is lunacy. it makes no sense whatsoever. frankly, what is killing small business is excessive regulation from about frank. these small banks in our community had nothing to do with the mortgage meltdown. mr. reisman: ms. teachout? ms. teachout: a few things. it is a matter of public record, pb in wells the cf fargo. you're welcome to look that up. there are two approaches to the banking industry. i favor the approach, the teddy roosevelt approach, trust busting. is banksee happening met during the job of banks but becoming political actors where they are really involved in policy, trying to buy and shape policy, instead of boring old banking. i favor a rules approach as opposed to a regulation approach
that focuses on managing, making sure that big banks do not get so powerful in the first place. mr. reisman: i think we do have to move on. ms. benjamin: this question to you, ms. teachout, at this point. there's been a lot of finger-pointing regarding property taxes. you did say when you were running for governor that you would support rolling back the property tax cap. there is a theory behind that. you have accused your opponent of mischaracterizing your position and that you understand the importance of reducing high property taxes because we have the highest burden in the nation in new york. you prefer other methods like the circuit breaker, for example. could you more fully explain your position but also, where is formoney going to come from things like education, where the money is going to? ms. teachout: thank you so much for the question. if you have been turning on your tv, you have been seeing attacks that are not true. the need to lower
property taxes, the highest in the country, causing real pain. families paying more than 10% of income, and in some cases more than 20% of income, in property tax. onis a heavy, heavy burden people alive had landed families for generations, on older families. have had landed in families for generations, on older families. theve a video talking about property tax burden. my issue with the taxes that it does not go far enough and it takes away local control. i am a big supporter of local control and trusting local communities instead of albany politicians telling local communities what to do. to the second part of your question, you see property taxes was inp when my opponent alchemy. 43%. wasreason they went up --
in alba me. 43%. the reason they were giving tax breaks to companies and new yorkers. there was less resonant for the state which unfunded mandates on to local communities. mr. reisman: -- ms. benjamin: forgive me for cutting you off but we know that you believe in investing in the educational system for example. where does the money come from? a more fair tax system in new york state. right now, basically, the 1% and the corporations in new york city are getting away with it. "times union" at a great story a few weeks ago about where the tax revenue is going. a lot of it is from the biggest companies in new york city. ms. benjamin: so higher personal income tax? ms. teachout: i am focused on the big corporations. ms. benjamin: mr. faso, before i ask you to respond, early on in and campaign, you came out
put forth a plan to reduce the local cost of medicaid which is an unfunded mandate. for localtates government to pick up the cost. as i am sure people are aware. toforest local government pick up the cost. as i am sure people are aware. it actually is a federal issue because federal state to impose the burden partially on the localities. i wanted resources and realized that we are one of the only states in the country that does this. rockefeller'sson theake by putting costs on county and city of new york. we can fix that by amending federal law. i have proposed just about area -- just that. ms. benjamin: you would be one member of a host in congress. how would you convince people to
do that? it would be fairly unpopular. -- mr. faso: if you look at all of the local burden on medicaid in the country, $9 billion in local government for the whole country. $7.5 billion in new york state. about theirsay property taxes being higher here in new york state but other states, that is one of the reasons, a portion of the reason. ms. teachout's approach is again just wrong headed she does not really know what she is talking about when it comes to property taxes. it is because she just moved into the district and has not paid property taxes. the bottom line is that the circuit breaker that she has supported does not hold the line on local spending. and the localities, the town and village and school district, can override the property tax cap if they want to do so. local control is maintained. ms. benjamin: it is a halliburton, you would agree, in
terms of their ability to override? ms. teachout: because property taxes are too high. not only does she want to raise the property taxes, she wants entergy texas on heating oil, propane, diesel, electricity. ms. benjamin: before ms. teachout response, i want to withgoing hand-in-hand medicaid, would you advocate reduced services to medicaid? because new york has been called the cadillac of medicaid. ms. teachout: new york needs to reform it is only when they are responsible in albany will they do it. ms. teachout reports that thing that when i was in albany, property taxes went up 43%. sun i was in albany, the rose and used them suddenly west and i was no more responsible for that the property tax. i want to address a few different things. first of all, briefly, i do not support an energy tax or carbon tax is drawn as said.
john has said. i agree with him on medicaid, we have a problem in new york, people have been talking about this for decades. picking on the reimbursement issue. stronglyhn, i feel about expanding medicare to include for instance dental care, something i care passionately about, and protecting social security. i hope that we get to that later because there is a real difference on social security. ms. benjamin: we're going to try. do you want to respond to the property tax issue? that mr. faso brought up? ms. teachout: oh, my husband and i have paid property taxes. live in dutchess county. -- we live in dutchess county. mr. reisman: question for mr. faso, petersburg has been the hearings including
lengthy discussions about when the state and federal agencies discovered the problem and when responded. the big question remains, what happens next and what resources will be available if they develop health problems related to contamination. even assuming the companies cover the cost of care, what steps need to be taken to be sure that residents have access to information, blood testing, and other forms of assistance? mr. faso: the state response is prophetic and the epa shares a burden here. i do think that the companies isolved -- state response pathetic and the epa shares a burden here. i do think the companies involved should be responsible for making sure health is monitored. we need to look at making sure that we have a fund to cover costs that might be related to not only the cleanup of the water but to make sure that health is taken care of. that is critical.
i think it is a larger issue. many,s state, we have many instances of pollution taking place. we need to make sure that the loan fund toolving fix the sewer issues that communities have is fully funded and fully activated. governor cuomo tried to grab onto the state water revolving loan fund which is federal money. he tried to take $500 million to pay for the bridge. that was a terrible decision and approach to take. fortunately the eva prevented him from doing so. mr. reisman: do you think residents that live in the communities with health effects should be allowed to sue these companies? there was a bill in the legislature. ms. teachout: -- mr. faso: mr. faso: absolutely, and i think many of them are. ms. teachout: if you have not been paying attention to what is happening, please do.
have spent a lot of time talking to members of the community, and just a couple weeks ago, mothers from flint, michigan came to meet mothers hoosick falls to talk about, we may be poisoned in different ways that we are dealing with responses. one hoosick of the most painfuls that i heard were young mothers birth of a just gave thought the healthiest way to take care of my son was to him -- and thought the healthiest way to take care of my son was to breast-feed him and it turns out that i was poisoning him because of the water that i was drinking. sure that make companies pay and there is medical monitoring and in congress i would call for hearings with subpoena power to make sure there is full accountability. teachout, yous. are serving in congress and a constituent asks for more
information. what would you seek and how would you work with the constituent make sure the issue is resolved -- to make sure the issue was resolved? ms. teachout: that depends on what the particular question is. we you know the company's new and they knew it. what the agencies, including the it gain, when the apa know it. -- when the epa knew it. making sure there is full access to medical doctors who can monitor and answer ongoing medical questions. will be affected for a long time. even when this spotlight is gone, we have a responsibility to take care of the people in those communities. i would point out, --
mr. faso: i would point out that dividend.a she has an figured i had to tax itd yet, but i wouldn't put past her. the other thing i want to say about water quality is that we have a very different history on water quality. i was proud to stand and fight against fracking in new york state, one of the greatest environment though victories in recent decades. my opponent john is pro-fracking. when he was in the assembly, he wrote letters to the epa saying pay ge should not have to the full cost of cleaning up the hudson river. this is after he had taken campaign cash from ge. ms. benjamin: before i allow you, i just have to remind folks in the audience, please withhold a response until the end.
perfect: this is a example of how ms. teachout plays fast and was with the facts as well as the truth. i opposed the initial plan that epa and dac wanted to do in the late 1990's for dredging the hudson river mainly because they had an unsafe approach which pcb'shave had ecb -- moving down river. -- the planet was subsequently adopted, i was for it. the dredging was completed in 2015. she rewrites history. she just moved here from brooklyn and settled here. she doesn't even know what happened. ms. benjamin: we have to move on. ms. teachout: because of water quality. mr. faso: it should not be
allowed to go unanswered. ms. benjamin: we will move on to water quality. it is very important to the district. issue important in newburgh. --removing the equipment that the agency show the chemical is considered a risk before testing requireoes not [indiscernible] i know, forgive me. it does not require manufacturers prove that a product is safe before goes to market. do you think the government is taking the right approach towards regularly chemicals at this point? mr. faso: it needs to be a lot more aggressive. -- ms. teachout: it needs to be a
lot more aggressive. right now, we're jumping behind. i favor the precautionary principle. having one at a time approach, a broader approach, which allows us to say, wait a second, this looks a lot like another chemical that has caused harm. i think we will see this pop up a lot. we are already seeing the beginning of it. it will be an ongoing issue. there are two separate issues. one to make sure that we empower the epa to be aggressive going forward. the second is making sure that the people already affected get the help that they need. ms. benjamin: if i may, quickly, given the way the epa and the cuomo administration handled the situation, you feel confident that empowering the epa further is a good idea? mr. faso: i feel confident that when i am in congress, i will be an independent fighter as i've always been in calling any
agency that is not doing its job to task him any political leader that is not doing his job to task. separate from constituent service, separate from working it's being aation, vigilant watchdog on the agencies that are important to our region. ms. teachout: i agree that there needs to -- mr. faso: i agree that there needs to be better oversight, on thesional oversight actions of agencies. that is one of the reasons why i was very concerned about consumer finance protection agency, whose authority was deemed unconstitutional because of the way it was in use from congressional oversight. so the toxic substances renewal was actually done this year. when the an instance congress worked on a bipartisan basis. it took them a long time, but they finally got it done. that's one of the reasons why, as someone running at chris gibson street, i would be -- be
qualified to work as i have done in the past. that act was a good accomplishment. now it's a matter of how well the agency administers it and how well the congress provides oversight to it. yes, it was update of a 40 --year-old act. there were many substances, chemical substances, orphans substances, if you will, that were never evaluated. now there is a process that we can get many more chemical substances evaluated, to learn their potential carcinogenic effect on human health. ms. benjamin: we've reached about the halfway point of the debate. it is time for the candidates to ask a question of one another. john, you said that you support donald trump
because of the role he would play in selecting supreme court justices. you have also said that you think roe versus wade is a black mark on our country. wadeu agree you -- roe v is a black mark on our country. do you agree that the supreme court should roll back these decisions? mr. faso: i think roe v wade is the law of the land. it is something that, if i'm honored to be elected, i'm sworn to uphold the law of the land. so i'm satisfied with the current status of the law. i don't support things like public taxpayer funding of abortion. but i think, by and large, where the lawyers is where the laws meant to stay. ms. benjamin: if i'm a follow up on that, because you asked a question you are going to be -- we are going to be getting too. is in believe the state
fact, if the supreme court would throw back to the states, that it would change the current laws on abortion in any way? mr. faso: that is one hypothetical wrapped up in another. my view is on the topic is that it is settled law. i don't support taxpayer funding of abortion. i think we have a difference of opinion on that. but i don't for cme change in new york state. -- but i do not foresee any change in new york state. mr. faso: happy birthday. it's your birthday today. ms. teachout: thank you. [applause] you will find they come every year. has many statect
historic sites and many vistas and great parks, like mena wants to and historic sites like [indiscernible] what is your favorite historic site or park here in the 19th district? ms. teachout: by far my favorite is a place i go very often, the dover stone church. it is a favorite during the great depression. it is a place where many people got married in the 19th century. if you haven't been coming should go. it is heaven. i'll try it. i'm looking for heaven. mr. reisman: i believe this goes to mr. faso. this question is on whether students should be a lot to go to the bathroom that confirms their gender identity. was this overreach? this is ai think
matter which is best handled at the local level. i think the problem with the federal action was that it was based upon a lack of statutory authority to act in this area and they did it through a letter guidance to school district around the country. it is now subject to litigation. the prospect of that litigation being successful is fairly strong, because there is not a proper statutory basis for it. but i do think we should be andedingly respectful careful about how we deal with situations like this because, especially students in school. they are going through a very difficult time emotionally and otherwise. it's vitally important that we treat everyone with respect and dignity. mr. reisman: governor cuomo about a year ago put broadly the gender of nondescript nation act into regulation. it is not a law, obviously. so there have been some sort of
legal challenge to that? that is much more brought in terms of housing and the workplace. should there be a legal challenge to those rights? mr. faso: i haven't read his executive order. i did back in the 1990's when i was in the legislature vote for .he nondiscrimination bill i think we have to be careful in terms of when executives assert their authority beyond their capacity. one of the things i feel really deeply about it -- we have to uphold the constitution. i think one of the things that has not happened enough nationally is for the congress to assert itself these of he the president and executive orders where the president may overstep his or her boundary. , this isout: actually over a broad area in terms of an aggressive congress and potentially overreaching executive where john and i may
agree. i think it is important -- it is incredible important for congress to play a watchdog role. i am supportive of algae bt rights and have always been. writes and i have always been. we need to make sure that we work with school districts themselves to make it work. there isn't a real difference between myself and john on this in our own history's. his john was -- our own tories. when john was running in 2006, he was asked if he would veto a marriage equality bill that was brought to his desk. he said that he would oppose it. i deeply disagree. mr. reisman: i want to clarify this.pinion on do you believe that the federal government should require school districts to allow transgender students to use the bathroom
that they believe they are most comfortable using? ms. teachout: i think it is theedible that we respect rights of children in the classroom. the way we go about it really matters. an approach with that focus on engaging school district in the best possible way to do that. i think that the attack that ms. teachout just 2006, iny position in 2006, i favored civil unions and several a position that people -- barack obama and hillary clinton and most political leaders at that point did not favor marriage equality. but we have marriage equality now. it is the law of new york state. and it is the law of the united states. again, if i am honored with election to the congress, i am sworn to uphold the law of the country. so i am fully supportive of doing so and i think it is important that we all recognize that. ms. benjamin: regarding the
overreach,ecutive legal challenges, which nick brought up, there have been legal challenges. did challengeence the president's executive order on immigration. somethingit is not that we have a magic juan or a snap of the fingers -- magic magicrients snap -- a wand or a snap of the fingers. system of checks and balances, making it difficult to pass things in the united states. that is the system we have and i think it is a very important system that we uphold it. making suregly
that we keep the checks and balances in the system. in the case of obamacare, where he has been challenged and also the case of the immigration executive order, the president himself said 22 some odd times before that that he did not have the authority to do and then he did it. ms. benjamin: leaving aside whether you agree in those specific instances, do you support the idea of legal challenges by congress when an executive overreaches? ms. teachout: we've got such a much bigger problem with our congress are now. congress is it working. it really isn't working. it's not functioning on a basic level. if x is solving problems. when you look --. not solvingy problems. when you look under the hood, is because of the money of super pac's. so to clarify, you
do or you don't believe in litigation for executive overreach? ms. teachout: it depends on the issue. ms. benjamin: the coast guard proposal to build these anchors along the river, folks are very upset about it. is there any way for these to be put safely along her? if not cut -- along the river. if not, should they be allowed at all? ms. teachout: i have been very clear on that. i have taught to leaders and community members -- i have talked to leaders and community members. announcinge will be that congressman hinchy will be endorsing my campaign. i am thrilled about that.
that legacy, we have to protect the hudson and our water for its own sake and also for our economy. about thek to people problem with the proposed barges, there are so many different problems with it. but it's a wonder action to be going for our economy. the great strides we've made in terms of tourism, in terms of exciting new tech companies, all that depends on protecting the hudson and set up a barges in. the coast guard really isn't set up to do a full health and economic assessment. it is the agency without the right tools to be actually evaluating the legitimacy of this. when i am in congress, one of the things i want to focus on is agencies guard -- and that are not equipped to do for
environmental health and property review. there is something deeper happening here. ms. benjamin: before we move on, i need some clarification. you are suggesting that all the current barge traffic should be -- ms. teachout: no. i'm talking about the proposed. ms. benjamin: because the barges are integral to the current economic -- ms. teachout: right. mr. faso: all of our decent comes up the river in barges. clearly the coast guard, which this obama administration proposal, the coast guard is part of the homeland security. i do think that the proposal, as it surely stands, is something that i can support. ms. benjamin: can you support any modifications to the proposal? mr. faso: what i would like to see from the coast guard and from the industry, i would like to see the justification. if they say they need an anchorage for emergency situations, where there is a temporary need because of the because of some
traffic backup in the port of albany, then i think that is the kind of discussion we should have. i think everybody wants to make sure that this traffic on the river, not just the barges that may be new because of the crew going down the river, but what about the barges that are taking which ms.g oil and -- teachout wants to tax? what about those barges? so we need to examine safety in the river to make sure our communities are protected and that commerce is done in a safe and efficient manner. ms. benjamin: we are close to the wire here. ms. teachout: what i would say is, you know, one of the big differences between john and me as i will always so you where i stand. i will tell you what i vote for, where i stand on the barges, and john has a history as a career politician and a lobbyist. his answers reflect that. it is a nonanswer on the barges.
people deserve to know precisely where you stand on these core issues. mr. faso: it's just one cheap shot after another. ms. teachout was a lobbyist. outeye allies have an ad crucify me. they pull a snap out of it, from a radio show. that is really dishonest. you should own up to it. attendanceed my record, which was 97%. my wife was in the hospital. i have a two and seven-year-old at home. and i'm being attacked by her and her allies. it is really kind of outrageous. trust can't -- you can't zephyr teachout to tell you the truth? ms. teachout: everything i've said is a matter public record. you can look it up. you can look up john faso's
history as a lobbyist for pipeline companies and payday lenders. correctioner factual i would like is i do not support a carbon tax or an energy tax. everybody in this district relies on driving to get to work. to we simply cannot afford put a tax on people at the pump. mr. reisman: i want to shift to a different topic. addiction to opioids and heroin has devastated some rural communities. what measures would you seek in congress to address heroin and drug addiction? mr. faso: education, treatment and enforcement. we need to really focus on education. many people are sadly not aware that 75% of the people that go to heroin have migrated from prescription or. ping ko's -- painkillers -- prescription opioid painkillers. we need better insurance coverage. you don't detox from heroin on
30 days. and we need enforcement to really go after the traffickers. is the bottom line is this an issue that is affecting all our society. it affects everyone, regardless of their race, their gender, their ethnicity, their sexual orientation. it is something that is devastating our communities. there were more people who died in 2014 from heroin overdoses and prescription opioid overdoses than died in automobile accidents in the united states. mr. reisman: should we have more access to narcan? addiction for some people because it revives them from an overdose. i, sixo: my wife and months ago -- my wife is a nurse at a local high school. we attended a narcan training session. there must have been 200 people there. this is really important. anything we can do to inform
people, get people to understand how people move to prescription -- from prescription drug abuse to heroin is vitally important. this is an area where we can all work together. this is a daily, ongoing, devastating tragedy. i spend a lot of time working -addictsing to ex working on building community support. there is a great group in sullivan county called friends of recovery. there is also really, really important leadership taking , throughoutually our police departments right here in woodstock police department, in chatham, the police chief has said, look, diction is a health problem, not a crime -- addiction is a health problem, not a crime. but we need beds.
the first responders are on the front line of this. they will tell you they need to make sure that there is a place that people who want to seek treatment can go. ms. benjamin: bernie sanders did introduce a bill for a spending $1 trillion over five years to rebuild america's crumbling infrastructure. that does nott, begin to meet the need. it is pegged at $3.6 trillion by 2020. so we agreed it is a massive problem. do a dusty we borrow our way out? do -- do we borrow our way out? do we tax our way out? what do you propose?
ms. teachout: we need to be building our roads, do more with our bridges and investing in our wastewater treatment and water if a structure. -- water infrastructure. that is good for everybody. it is good for jobs. we haven't talked about it a lot in this debate. everywhere i go in this district, there is a need for good jobs. here is what is happening in her society right now. there is a handful of big companies that have hired lobbyists to go to washington and basically become legal tax cheats. avoiding taxes by getting loopholes put into laws. do you know how much it ge paid in federal income tax in 2011 after making $14 billion in profits? zero. they paid zero. sense.esn't make any there is enough wealth in our society that the big companies are hiring lobbyists and getting away with their -- without paying their fair share of taxes. ms. benjamin: to be clear, you
would close the loophole and use the money to pay for ever structure? ms. teachout: absolutely. there is money being taken out of the federal government through tax loopholes. mr. faso: we do need tax reform. one of the things i have said is fix the corporate taxes some. right now, it allows you as companies who do business abroad keep their profits abroad because, if they brought but -- if they brought it home, they would be double taxed. this is something we have to fix. the second thing is eliminate the disincentives for our exporters who have do pay a value-added tax on the go across the border. imported goods have value-added tax refunded to them before they come in. we should have 100% expensing
for small businesses when they invest in new plant equipment and machinery. that will help the small business sector in particular. ms. benjamin: would you support any borrowing forever structure projects? mr. faso: we are already borrowing. ms. benjamin: additional borrowing. mr. faso: we have $20 trillion of debt. this is why we have to grow the economy. not by this kind of "grapes of wrath" view of the world that ms. teachout has. how do you let businesses taxsting create jobs so reform civil vacation, getting rid of loopholes, ethanol subsidies, crazy anomalies -- when ronald reagan and bill bradley did tax reform in 1986, the tax relations were 26,000 pages. they are now 27,000 pages. ms. teachout: right now, we have a crisis in terms of our
infrastructure and in terms of corruption. as i said before, they are deeply connected. i have been outspoken as an opponent of subsidies going to the big businesses, subsidies that are flowing out of our general fund to people who can afford a lobbyist. you talk to a mom-and-pop, they can't afford a lobbyist. they don't have a voice. i was talking to a farmer who said her dairy farm had to go out of business. she said the real root issue here is that the big guys are getting subsidized and they are having to compete on an unfair playing field. mr. reisman: we will have to move on to the lightning round. these are yesterday we answered or one word answers. a ghost to mr. faso first. donald trump is not committee to setting the results of the presidential election. are you feeling confident in the integrity of the election? mr. faso: yes. ms. teachout: yes. ms. benjamin: should at&t and time warner be allowed to merge?
ms. teachout: absolutely not. ms. teachout:mr. faso: probably not. ms. benjamin: just to be clear, time warner, time warner cable are separate companies. just to be clear. mr. reisman: should ride sharing lyft bee uber and legal in upstate new york? mr. faso: yes. ms. teachout: depends on the rules. ms. benjamin: are you planning to run for governor? ms. teachout: i'm not planning on it. mr. faso: no. [laughter] ms. benjamin: we have run out of time could mr. faso, the close goes to first. simply, i amy running for congress and i ask for your trust on november 8 to change the direction of our country. we need reform in our tax code. we need to make sure our national security is protected.
and i want to lay a people where i come from and where i look at issues. what motivates me is the defense the constitution, a defense of limited government, a defense of rule of law, a defensive free enterprise as the embodiment of what creates the most wealth and opportunity for the mass of our citizens and lifts up american families. i also supported goal opportunity and i support personal responsibility. so when citizens want to ask how will i be guided, i will be guided by those principles. i am honored to have chris gibson's strong support in this he and i would be on her have your support as your next member of congress on november 8. ms. teachout: thank you nick and liz and john and everybody for watching. this is a really critical election and there are real differences between myself and john, some of which we talked about tonight, not all of which we did. i am an independent fighter.
i never responded to political party heads or to be corporations. my opponent is really the ultimate insider. he was an assemblyman and then a lobbyist. even a couple of years ago, he said he couldn't really see there was corruption in albany. what i see is that people throughout our district are angry because they don't have a voice. and i promise i will be that independent voice, only responding to people in this district, only raising a voices. . i believe in protecting social security my phone believes we should privatize it. i believe in the fracking ban. my opponent believes we should do more fracking. there are deep differences year. but the deepest differences that i will always be independent. i hope i can are in -- i hope i can earn your vote. ms. benjamin: i want to thank you for being with me, for you watching at home, for you here,
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