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communications director, the secretary of defense, secretary-general, secretary of state. when you are out there just criticizing, it is one thing. when you get on the inside, there is a certain weight of responsibility to the american people on your shoulders. i think steve bannon is the kind of guy -- he is a patriot. he may have a different view of americans and you do, but he loves america as much as you or i do. i think he will give donald trump's best advise and ultimately, it is the president who makes the decisions. that change, that realization, have you seen that in donald trump? mr. giuliani: i think the whole world has seen it. gerard: in what way has he changed? mr. giuliani: from the moment he went to see barack obama, the way they dealt with each other, the way he is conducting himself on his attempt to bring america
together. , ihink all these protests don't take them as seriously as some people do. i think they will go away. they're going to happen for a while because some people are disappointed and angry and a little bit disorganized. is soros driven. i think that will go away and i think we're going to find a much more worldly and expansive president than we ever realize we were electing. about: let me ask you some corporate things and then i want to get to foreign-policy issues, which are of increasing interest to you, if i may say so. [laughter] gerard: not that you haven't always been interested. one of the things i've heard a lot, and i've spent some time
with president-elect trump and steve bannon and others, there is this concern about the business. it is channeling this populist interest. this is the mother load of big companies. assumptiong to be an that this will be an administration that will take on big business? there's been a merger that has been announced, at&t and type -- time warner. it could come up on your ledger. with these mergers be opposed by the donald trump administration? mr. giuliani: first of all, i won't be attorney general. i won't have to decide that one, thank god. i should ask jeff sessions that question. mr. giuliani: i have no idea, but i won't be attorney general.
ranking official in the justice department for ronald reagan, iran the criminal side of the justice department, although i have litigated three or four antitrust cases for at&t. muchnk you will see pretty a conservative approach to antitrust law. pricing, ifdatory it is predatory pricing where there are alternatives, you'll probably see a challenge to it. if it is a situation in which there is no alternative but a large conglomerate, i think you will see the justice department passing on that. i think what you will see is pretty much the traditional republican approach to the antitrust division like we had under reagan and bush. gerard: that is pretty
accommodating. mr. giuliani: the last thing in the world you're going to see is an antibusiness administration. donald trump realizes that he got elected to a very large extent on something he said in so many speeches, jobs, jobs, jobs. i understand this as the mayor of new york. the only way i have jobs is to have businesses. if i throw businesses out of my country, i will not have jobs. being pro-business is being pro-jobs. i think one of the big changes that will happen immediately, instead of it happening in washington, instead of being antibusiness, you're going to have one that is aggressively pro-business. that doesn't mean there won't be a necessary lever of regulation. i will tell you one thing that president-elect trump told me, he said one of the things i
learned about running for president -- when i began, i thought the biggest concern businesses had was taxes. it is true they are concerned about taxes, particularly our highest tax rate in the world, 35% and ireland only being 12%. their biggest concern is regulation, and i will cut those regulations and half -- in half. i bet you that within three months you will see that regulatory burden cut. being a lawyer in private practice, that is not good for law firms. we love those regulations because we made money on them. the reality is that that was killing job production in america more than anything else. epa pretending it was congress. governmenties of
legislating rules and. frank -- dodd-frank. we are now allowed to talk and politically incorrect terms? that is part of the revolution. have anythingsn't to do with the recession. it has to do with a bunch of liberal ideas that two of the guys that created the problem in the first place. frank was the guy that was protecting fanny and freddie when clinton was trying to reform it. got a sweetheart loan from them. it is ironic that we called the legislation to solve
the crash after the two people that have the most to do with it. we have elizabeth warren coming to speak with us tomorrow, she may have some thing to say about that. mr. giuliani: we will be happy to run against her in four years. gerard: that's an interesting tip. foreign-policy issues -- during the campaign, trump said he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate and possibly prosecute hillary clinton over the e-mails and clinton foundation stuff. is he going to? mr. giuliani: i think that is a decision he makes when he appoints and attorney general. sitattorney general should down and study it and give him a reasoned- give him a balance of things. we don't want to become a country where we have political
vindictiveness after an election. we also don't want to be a country of unequal protection in the law. a lot of that has to do with what i don't know, which is how bad are the things involved in the clinton foundation investigation? how beyond the pale are they? i think that is going to fall to the attorneyt on general. they decided that if it is not that beyond the pale, maybe put it behind us. is there is something there, it should be an independent counsel that investigates it. i think that should be a detailed, reasoned study of the fbi investigation that i believe is in the new york office of the fbi. gerard: foreign policy. "the wall street journal"
reported that the choice of secretary of state is between rudy giuliani and john bolton. we don't have john bolton here song going to talk with you. mr. giuliani: john would be a very good choice. gerard: is there anybody better? mr. giuliani: maybe me. [laughter] gerard: let's start with iran. that itt elect, said was the worst deal he'd ever seen in his life. -- he is going to be president on january 20, this deal is still in place, iran continues to do what it is doing, what would you do about that? mr. giuliani: the president has a lot of options because president obama did not do what he should have done really under
the constitution. he should have submitted that to the united states senate. that is a treaty. there is no way of escaping the fact that is a treaty. if you would like to go to sleep early tonight, get the federalist papers and read federalist paper's a five, written by hamilton, who is now a broadway star. if you want the quintessential definition of a treaty, it is the iran agreement. it binds us for more than one president, it binds us are more than one year, it deals with an area of national security. it should of been submitted to the senate and he never did it. what that means is, that deal is over with with the present president. the next president canada's about as a matter of law. gerard: should he? mr. giuliani: he should or he
should use that power to renegotiate it, or let them know that i don't have to abide by it. obama had a second way he could've done it. he could've done it as an agreement, in which case he would've only had to get a majority vote of the house and senate, and he knew he could not get it. it was negotiated not only with iranians, but russians and chinese. you fancy spending your first two years as secretary of state renegotiating? mr. giuliani: i think you have to set priorities. if the priority is to eliminate ais, maybe you put that off little bit and you get rid of isis first and then you go back to that. , iause isis short-term believe, is our greatest ranger.
.ot -- our greatest danger not because of isis in iraq and syria, but because they did something al qaeda never did. they've been able to spread themselves around the world. there are 32 countries that have isis cells. the director of the fbi says there are 1000 investigations in the u.s. they have created a danger that al qaeda never presented to us in terms of their ability to strike, smaller strikes, but still very devastating like orlando in paris and san bernardino and the priest whose head was chopped off in nice. that is when i cannot even think about. gerard: they are on the run in the region. mr. giuliani: i think if you eliminate them where they are, they lose a lot of our -- power.
one of the values, and there are a lot of disadvantages, but one of the values of our having a lot of troops in iraq and afghanistan was we kept them on the run. 11you noticed from september until the attack on fort hood, there was no islamic extremist domestic attack in the demise -- in the united states. one of the reasons for that is it is hard to plan an attack when you are being shot at and you are in a cave. work well in a cave and al qaeda was not particular good at using computers. this new group is different. a lot of them are recruited from us. they come from england, from germany, from france, from america. they understand us and understand how to use the internet as well as our children do. in that sense, that has to be priority number one. we have to eliminate that
threat, because we don't want to live with the threat as we have under obama of what is the next city they will hit? will they hit st. louis, chicago, or will they go back to paris? i think once you get that under control, you can start working on the second, may be problem, which is a great fear of mine, iranian-shiite kingdom. now, to be honest, you have to say that iraq is a client state of iran. we delivered it to them. incould be the worst mistake yes it could be the worst. i think the way we exited iraq is the worst mistake made in american history.
it meant we turned them over to iran. over to iran, we turned syria over to iran and then we were not there when isis began to develop. if you're not careful, what you have developing is -- i call it almost eight north-south middle east. syria withan, iraq, the backing of russia, yemen right below saudi arabia, not quite north-south. then you have saudi arabia, the , egypt,, qatar, oman israel, jordan, sunni to the south. that is a war that is going to happen if we don't figure out how to contain iran and stop them from being nuclear. playing ansia is
important role in there's been a lot of focus on russia, president-elect trump's views on russia. is russia a friend or adversary? mr. giuliani: both. could be both. right now is adversary because we made it that way. chinald be both just like . i would like to see china to be an economic competitor as opposed to a military competitor. russia thinks it is a military competitor but it really isn't. to compare the size of our eirs, it isd th our unwillingness under obama to even threaten the use of our military that makes russia so powerful. gerard: with that change -- would that change with a of done in crimea? mr. giuliani: i believe it could whatin them, if we do
donald trump talked about in his military agenda, which is we take our military up to 550,000 troops, we were going down to 420,000. we take our navy up to 350 ships , we were going down to 247. that is critical, even for china. at 247, we cannot fight a two ocean war. in350, china cannot match us the pacific and it becomes very different. he is going to take our marines from about 28 battalions to 36. he's going to take our air force from about 900 fighters that need parts we have to get for museums. iraqd: he was against the
-- what yougainst going to do? mr. giuliani: he used the phrase he borrowed from ronald reagan and which ronald reagan probably borrowed from george washington, which is called peace through strength. if you face them with a military that is mighty, gigantic, overwhelming and unbelievably good at conventional and asymmetrical warfare, they may challenge you, but i doubt it. gorbachev gave donald trump the answer to how to win. gorbachev wrote in one of his memoirs that ronald reagan spent us into oblivion, and i am a big advocate of military spending. gerard: you think you can do the same with china? mr. giuliani: i will say what has happened with china.
i believe you have in china, and a lot of people here know china -- i think you have in china a tension not unlike what we have between, let's call them the hawks and doves. the hawks with their military , the can help us grow doves say we have so many people to bring out of poverty that lets become an economic competitor and not a military competitor. if our navy is that much bigger irs, the doves when the war because the hawks cannot catch us. but if obama takes our navy down here, they can catch us and that encourages them.
if we take our navy up here, they will not be able to catch us. this is what i believe and know about the chinese. whatever else you think, they are enormously practical people. they also realize they have to things to overcome that stand in the way of being a great world power. is the enormous amount of poverty that they have. they are a first world country and a third world country combined. one half the other. someday, if it is an already, it could be a big problem for them. second, they have developed such a large middle class, you cannot sustain the oppression, you cannot sustain the authoritarianism that they presently have. that will crack at some point. the chinese are great on all kinds of plans except innovative ones.
they haven't thought their way through that yet. gerard: a couple of questions please? put your hand up if you have a question. i think we have a microphone right next year. could you identify yourself? lebenthal.a i hope you recall that we have been helping to finance the city and state through municipal bonds. i've been a my company for 15 dozens ofi have employees in new york, atlanta and chicago and i've always taken care of them. they are my family. so many of them have expressed to me over the last week how scared they are. there is a point at which as a ceo i cannot take care of them anymore, i cannot tell them everything will be ok. my question, and it is with when donaldt, is
and saying to come out some thing about the scary things that already happening? mr. giuliani: what are they afraid of? are afraid of having swastikas painted on the wall. i have african-american employees who are truly afraid to the african-american. scared, they have seen what has gone on in the last week and they are terrified. i'm terrified for them because i cannot take care of them. i can't tell them is going to be ok. you can tell them they're going to be ok. >> how? mr. giuliani: they're going to be ok because number one, they have a president of the united states that not only doesn't have a prejudice bone in his body -- he doesn't, i've known him for 28 years -- but has a real commitment to help the african american community.
fournot begin saying for straight months in every siegal speech he gave that he is very concerned about the condition of the african-american community in the inner cities, and that he believes they should take a look at another alternative to their success than what democrat of done for them. in every city you can mention except maybe mine that had the intervention of a republican or somewhat republican mayor for a while -- that is michael bloomberg -- those cities have deteriorated under democrats. democratic policy to the african-american community is make them dependent, make them dependent on welfare and food stamps, and don't do a dancing for them. n thing for them.
donald trump said give them a letter to success. --ladder to success. you can't live in a community like chicago -- >> can you answer my question? mr. giuliani: i'm answering your question. >> when is he going to address what has been going on? it is ok. --ard: to be fair, deeming do you mean? minutes" last night and said "stop it." he told people to stop. mr. giuliani: he told people to stop doing what they are doing. he has no more control over them than president obama or hillary clinton have over the goons and thugs in my city destroying
property that are taking over streets and yelling and screaming at donald trump. so go after president obama, when is he going to tell them to stop it and when is that going to be effective? he is no more control over the goons and thugs in los angeles who are destroying pretty because donald trump was elected. let's be fair about things. if there are crazy people who have come to crazy conclusions about donald trump selection, all i can do is tell them to stop it. at least he is done that. sayven't heard barack obama cut it out, stop demonstrating, stop taking over fifth avenue on the streets, it doesn't belong to you. when i was mayor of new york, nobody took my streets. -- you can demonstrate all you want it on my sidewalks, but my mayor now allows people
to block fifth avenue. that is dangerous. if you block fifth avenue, people die. you cannot get them to the hospital on time to get them safe heart attacks, you cannot get to a fire on time. say donald trump should stop the crazy people from doing the stupid things they are doing, you have to say to barack obama and hillary clinton, will you stop the much larger group of people who are doing crazy things in los angeles, in chicago and in new york that are doing serious damage. gerard: let's move to another question. please tell me the president is going to live in washington. is fifth avenue going to be a traffic nightmare for the next four years? mr. giuliani: the president is going to live in washington and new york hopefully will have a new mayor next year.
who learns how to keep it a civil city. i am nick from snap-on tools. congratulations on winning the factory workers in algona and people in shops and fewer you and places like that. you like to see the experts con founded -- confounded. i think this is a reasonable question and has to do with where he is going to live. inyou watched donald trump the campaign, at least from a distance, it seems like he was hands-on, shaping the message himself, working on it on a regular basis. in fact, defining what his message would be. when you become president, it generally is said it you have a constant barrage of questions that cannot be decided on the
facts. you believe he is going to handle that the same way he did his campaign? immerse himself in it or delegate? can he actually immerse himself as other presidents have? secondly, when he confronts those questions that cannot be decided on the facts, where you cannot just look at the arithmetic, what will be his guiding stars? will it be jobs? probablyani: he discounts somewhat -- you don't just how reflective and how much he can delve into issues and things. the things he talked about were things he thought a lot about. --y are not just things that they are things he is spent a great deal of time thinking about, the policies he felt were necessary for the american people. that is the reason he won.
hillary clinton gave very little attention to the policies she would put into effect when she was president. he gave a great deal of attention to the policies he would put into effect when he was president. he talked about immigration and , he talked about for relations, the iranian agreement here it she did not talk about any of that. i think you are giving him a little less credit for the amount of thought that went into what he was saying and what he was doing. i have seen him in many meetings people, whether we are talking about foreign or domestic policies, absorbing what people are saying. i told you about his change of opinion about what was more important to american businesses, taxes or regulations, and he came to the conclusion regulation was more important.
i think you're going to find an extraordinarily intelligent man who enjoys public policy as issues, and has even admitted to he enjoys it more than real estate because it is more challenging. and then you will see him with highly intelligent people because he is not afraid of highly intelligent people. i think you'll see him surround himself with m people of much higher intellect than we have had during the last eight years. >> we are really running out of time. >> people who challenge him and are willing to challenge him, because he is not afraid to be challenged. >> one more. there is a lady over there with her hand up. one more, i'm sorry. you., it is nice to see
so, i think you mentioned something a couple minutes ago that would raise the spirits of a lot of people in ths is room. you spoke about tar iffs. could you talk a little bit more about that framework and would it indeed, be something that could lead to a global lowering of trade tariffs? >> you want me to talk about trade? ok. i think what you are going to , probably, gosh, probably, we have a president who has spent his time, traveling the world and doing business all over the world, right? our last president traveled out of the united states maybe three times , four times.
>> well, he lived in indonesia. >> well, yeah. george bush, not much. so, we have somebody who has done business all over the world. he understands the world. he got a terrific understanding a globalct that we are economy. that does not mean we are not also our own economy. we have to protect that first. and our own economy we have to make consistent with the global economy so we can get our fair share of the advantages of the global economy. as he has said many times, but it has never been reported properly, he is not a protectionist. he is a free trader. >> that he is talking about tariffs on cent
goods from china. >> donald trump was going to sell the hotel he just bought in washington. i don't know how much it is worth. he would ask for double the price to start with. then he would probably take less than that. you are dealing with a negotiator. i worked for ronald reagan. ronald reagan passed one of the largest tax cuts in american history. the one he presented to tip o'neill was twice the size of the one that he got. so, we are dealing with a man who knows how to negotiate. it is like, when he said he wants everybody to pay their fair share in nato, they interpreted that as we are going to pull out of nato. we are not going to pull out of nato, but believe me, he will get them to pay their fair share of it. maybe he will do it by, we will put a few more troops in.
and in exchange, they have to get up to the 2%. we cannot subsidize you any longer because we have a big debt. i think what you will find is somebody negotiating for us, for once. i will give you an example of the difference. when barack obama and hillary clinton came into office, they give away the nuclear defense of poland and the czech republic to reset the relationship with russia. i was on a panel, much like this, about six months ago with secretary gates, who was the defense secretary. i said something to him that has always troubled me. i said to him, when do we get a return for that? and he said, the spanish word, nada. he was opposed to it. now, that is a stupid negotiation. i don't know if we ever should have given away the nuclear defense of poland and the czech republic to start with. but if we were going to do it,
we should have gotten something in return for it. donald trump will probably go to congress, and he will go to the world, with an agenda that is a little beyond what he needs, so he has room to negotiate. just like everyone of you do in business. you don't put your house up for sale if it is a $2 million house and you want to million dollars for it. -- and you want to million million for it. or put it up at $2.5 million $2.6 million. if you have no experience in doing that, you do silly things, like you away the nuclear defense of poland and the czech republic for nothing, and then putin concludes from day one, i can push you all over the world because you are not too smart.
i think when you listen to what donald trump said during the election, and when you listen to some of the things he proposes, as intelligent leaders of business, understand he is doing the same thing you are doing in a deal you want to make. you do not start at your lowest number. if you do, you will not be running a business very long. you start somewhere higher with and a b and a plan b anc plan c, and that is the complexity with which he thinks. i have only worked for one president my entire life, ronald reagan. ronald reagan was always underestimated. ronald reagan always had a plan, c, and ifand a plan things got to the worst-case, a plan d. giuliani, and sounds like
he will have a very busy time. please join me in thanking him. [applause] >> thank you very much, indeed, mayor giuliani. that was fascinating. we will be hearing more on these topics. moving right along with a little bit of a delay, but this is a fascinating conversation. every successful presidential campaign has an architect. famously, president obama had david axelrod. president george w. bush had carl rhodes. most people in the political business believe that our next thet will serve as architect of the recent presidential election success of donald trump. so, we are looking forward to a very interesting conversation about that and also about the next four years.
ladies and gentlemen, please welcome kellyanne conway, the campaign manager for donald trump, and am a special advisor, and my special advisor from the "wall street journal." [applause] >> thank you. we almost did not make it because there was a transition meeting going on backstage. sorry, mayor, we had to break it up. kellyanne, thank you for being here. this is proof that if you hang around long enough, amazing things happen. kellyanne and i first knew each other years ago. i was a young reporter and here we are. so, who knew? but life rolels on in interesting ways. he went through a experience i suspect you had not planned on during the last six months. we all lived through a night tuesday night that was different than most expected.
>> not all of us. >> ok, i will take your word for that. >> i want to look more for them backward, but let me just start with, what did happen on tuesday night? i ask you, what was the message, what was the mandate, what was the voice of voters as you read it, now that the dust has settled from last tuesday night? >> first off, gerad, thank you for having me and mr. murdock and mr. baker, thank you for the opportunity. nigh isage on tuesday them is mort is there is more f than us. everything that donald trump said about the populist uprising, about people really wanting fairness and an opportunity and a voice ended up being true.
we can talk about it being an anti-elitist election. i think that is fine. but at its very core, people are talking about security. it could be security from nationalm, security, but there is also health care security, economic security, there is also social security. donald trump is going to states like pennsylvania and new hampshire, talking about opiate use, and in ohio, talking about opiate use. that is a different kind of security fairly new to the community. people are also talking about everyday affordability. i have been a longtime critic of republican politicians who talk about job creation, you did not build that, and i am a job creator, an entrepreneur. i think that is wonderful. i have been a job greater for 21 years. country about 7% of the fancy themselves as entrepreneurs. there is another 7% that are the
job seekers, the unemployed. but th ve vast majority of households are neither job creators or job seekers. they are job holders and donald trump gave voice to the job holders. the people in this country who say, gosh, when my grandfather had a job it was enough to support the entire family. we have two to three jobs in the trying toand we are figure how to pay the rent or the mortgage, or the tuition, or the student loan payment, the food and the fuel. i think he gave voice to those folks who are just trying to meet everyday needs, and have a fair shake. people are also talking about fairness. i think hillary clinton's campaign was about equality. , ofa lot of this country course, we care about equality. it is enshrined in our
constitution. the most people are talking about fairness, which is different. equality ofabout opportunity and not equality of outcome. education reform, like school choice, or opening a more technical opportunities for kids who may be are not just college material, and that is fine. when talking about immigration policy, when talking about tax reform, when talking about in asng syrian refugees not, they ared or talking about what is fair. donald trump what issues on the map that nobody was giving voice to, like trade and illegal immigration. with illegal immigration, he articulated it through an economic lens, so we were not only asking what is fair to the
illegal immigrant. all of a sudden, we were asking, what is fair to the american worker? what is fair to ask employers to do? what's fair to local communities? what is fair to folks, they would do the job others are doing, but they cannot do it for six dollars under the table. i think he gave voice to issues that were more part of the social and cultural zeitgeist than the garden-variety political set of ideas. the other thing is, i read with attention, but no surprise, the hillary clinton had tested up to 84 slogans years in advance of the presidential race. and that is just remarkable. i certainly hope our pollsters got paid by the slogan, but donald trump basically started and ended with make america great again. some people criticize that, but in its very essence, it was
about patriotism and aspirations, and opportunity, and freedom, and frankly, fairness. the other thing i would take from all of this, gerry, you said, what is the message? ae, ethics and veracity are qualification for president of the united states. i think that folks in hillary clinton's campaign, which is filled with brilliant, savvy strategists, including the candidate herself, but the idea that temperament or what you said 20 years ago is an affirmative criteria and trustworthiness are not is not going to be true. you are not going to convince voters otherwise. >> it is also fair to say that he tap into an anger that was in the country. -- is also fair to say that he tapped into an anger that was in the country. it produced a divisive campaign,
an angry campaign. so, i guess one of the things i wanted to ask you was, what can be done now to heal those divisions? what would you say to a hispanic family that is worried about the townne, or a muslim family worried about the tone? what will donald trump say to those people in the weeks ahead to clamp down on the concerns? >> when you met me in 1994, and the word anger was also used then. we had an op-ed in "the wall street journal" before election day and he said, saying people are angry is like saying the ocean is red. i think angry is a way to describe the electorate, i think that is an excuse.
it is an excuse to not actually listen to voters. i think many people who were jobs are who their day to listen to voters, to get to know what america was trying to tell us, i think they said , they angry, they are scary. they are peddling hate and divisiveness, when really, many were just frustrated and fearful. legitimately fearful and legitimately frustrated that they can't pay the bills, that they just can't get ahead. there is nothing else they can do. they have a job, they have a good life, they pay their taxes, they pay their dues, and yet, they always feel like they are in the quicksand of everyday affordability. so, i wanted to say, there is a frustration and not just anger. to answer your question, i would go back to what president-elect trump said when he was elected
on tuesday night into wednesday morning. he wrote this speech, i was there. he said, i will be the president of all americans, even those who did not support me. what he means. let's begin there, he will be president to all americans. you asked specifically about the hispanic family and the muslim family, anybody w, i ho, i hope they have heard him say, that he has expressed regret for causing them any pain. he said that in august, it in a speech in north carolina. i would this each them to at least listen. at least acknowledge that he is their president. christ is the message i would have for the protesters. and that isright -- the same message i would give the protesters. they have a right to their
grievances. all the talk about who is angry and who will not accept the election results in who is not appreciating the natural organs areprocesses of democracy asking the right questions, but about the wrong candidate in the wrong candidate supporters. so, give him a chance and see what he does as your president. i know he loves this country. i know he makes more sacrifices to run for president. a lot of politicians run for power and prestige and status and money and fame. he has all of that. and he and his family, whom i have gotten to know very well and respect enormously, have made very big sacrifices to do this and it is for love of the country and they believe they can actually make a difference. >> so, if you were looking at trying now to move into washington and govern in a city, where i would think, i would argue that both parties are divided. you have got republicans, there is a populist strain, and gerry
and mayor giuliani are talking about this earlier. there is a populist strain in the more conservative strain. the democrats have more traditional democratic politicians and bernie sanders politicians. how do you bring that mess together to make a consensus in washington? it seems very hard to me to be able to move from this campaign, as divisive as it has been in both parties, to a place where you can create policies that bring people together. >> first, i would note that we might want to look at that as a source of strength, not weakness. meaning, you just mentioned the two major political parties and you talked about the divisions, or the differences within them, but it is probably good for the country, and anybody who called himself or herself a democrat or republican, or an independent leading to either party. it is a source of strength and comfort for them that their party has different strains within it. so, you mention the democratic
party. you said traditional democratic party and bernie sanders voters. well, the bernie sanders voters ended up being an incredibly important force. this is not nothing. he won 22 states against a woman who we have been told for eight years at least now, maybe 10 or theis a shoe in for presidency and has now lost it twice. first in the primary to president obama and now of course, to president elect trump in the general. bernie sanders got millions and millions of votes. of,pretty sure, his brand you can call it socialism or democratic populism, but his message was never appropriately respected and assimilated into the larger hillary clinton message and campaign, which i think is a mistake. i was happy to see it, but i think it was a mistake. i am also not sure this is the democratic party anymore that i grew up in, or the second
amendment is respected, where there are pro-life democrats, where they are democrats who would dare say, i think we can use a flat tax like the one jfk had, in essence. i don't see them. they are not there. as i sit before you, when senator ayotte lost her election, the republican party had six female united states senators, but three were pro-life and three were pro-choice. you probably have never heard that before. the democratic party has many democratic senators, but they have one view. so, the republican party to me, seems like the one it was going through, i would call welcome growing pains, it is the one expanding its constituencies and its ideological reach and we just found out, expanding the electoral map by going back into these so-called blue states that have not gone republican in decades. literally, about 1/3 of the
population has been born since wisconsin went wed. neither of the bush's won wisconsin. so, that is the sign of a growing party. i am one who is optimistic about having this large republican party where people feel welcome. it really depends. and we try to do this at the trump campaign. i think in politics and media, we look too often of people just for these demographics, your gender, race, ethnicity. but you have to look at them situationally as well. negativelye been affected by the afford a care that is howcare, you are voting this year and it is almost irrespective of your gender, or your ethnicity or your socioeconomic status. situationally, is somebody close to you has lost a job, then,
that is the prism through which you look at this election, and again, it his apartment on your gender and ethnicity. >> there are a lot of things to do in a transition, obviously. i wonder if one of the things that president electron feels the need to do -- that president elect trump feels the need to do is to somehow reach out to the country in a more formal way to address some of these divisions, to bring people together. have you talked about that? is there something planned to make that happen in the next two months before the inauguration? >> it has been discussed and i think you see early signs of it, even though he is in gone'in ehe trumensconced in thr trump tower right now. i think first of all, he and mrs. trump coming here to
washington less than 36 hours after being elected president of the united states, and coming here to meet with president obama and first lady michelle biden.s vice president especially his meeting with president obama and first lady obama, i think that was so incredibly important to show the country that the sitting president and the president elect, who had really battled it out pretty viciously therefore a while and personally, not for a while, i would say up until the last moment. >> a long while. >> somehow, they were able to lay down the muskets and love their country so much that they wanted to make sure there was a peaceful transition of power. i think that is the earliest and best and brightest sign you have about the president-elect donald trump wanting to address the entire country as one. the second thing is, frankly his interview with the "wall street
journal" over the weekend. the readout i got from that and of course, what was published. i think his interview on "60 es," where he where he was asked specific questions. so, yes, i think you will see hist and you will hear personal self in the inaugural address. i know there was a lot of hurt and pain when he won for many people who were not expecting it, but if you go back and read what he said in his words that night, he was already moving in that direction. having said that, the man is not going to become a walking hallmark card, nor should he. [laughter] >> he is a tough guy and he is a tough leader and america decided it wanted a tough leader. it wants someone who speaks
specifically about what he is going to do and does not back down and is pushing back against this culture of political correctness and is going to put america first, meaning he is going to renegotiate that trade deal, he is going to bring jobs back from mexico and china, all the things he talked about. that night in his speech, he said, i remember it verbatim, he said, and to the world community , i will always put america first, that i will work with you and i will be fair. and he will aim to do both. >> i wrote a column during the campaign and it said, those people who wanted an independent presidential candidate now have one and his name is donald trump. he really did run as an independent. i guess the good news, if you are in the position of being the president-elect in his team, which you are, is you are not beholden to anybody, but you have a less solid core of than isin this townt hat han
normal. the he work with republican party policy agenda that paul ryan spent a lot of time constructing in the house, or do you start over at this point? >> this will be his presidency and his vision. he has been very clear about his 100 day plan. anybody can pull it up here, or later. you can see what he is talking about. it is very specific. before that, he had talked about, through the help of great, economic brilliant minds, topped about his jobs and tax reform plan, creating 25 million jobs over the next 10 years, shaleing energy sources, and coal and natural gas. he also spoke about infrastructure investments quite significantly, educational reform, defeating radical islamic terrorism. these are not soundbites and
bumper stickers. they are 10 point, four point, seven ponit, five point plans. you can expect that to define how he goes in and out. he is off to a very good start with working with speaker brian. he had a great meeting last week, as did vice president pence. i believe they will have to find a way to knit together what was already being worked on. it could never really be signed into law because they had a democratic president with president obama and now mr. trump has put forward his plan. the excuse of divided government is over. and i think it is causation, not coincidence that americans gave a republican president a republican house and republican and a majority of republican governors. i have read somewhere that the
democrats now control 26% of the legislative chambers. if they lose one or two more, they are lower than the threshold that you need to defeat a constitutional amendment. these are not squeakers. these are not close. that was not a divided election in those terms. he has been very, very specific in what he plans to do. if people did not hear it, they did not want to because it is there. >> so, if you are looking up the republican party you just described, there is the question of whether it is now a populist party are still a conservative party. i think for thathe ceo's in this room, it generates a bit of a mixed message. there is some concern about anti-free trade nk.eements, the xm ba those might cause heartburn.
what would you say to the people in this room, when they ask, what does the donald trump presidency stand for on the issues that affect them? >> donald trump has been very clear about his views. he would like to withdraw our participation in the ttp. his plan to create 25 million jobs over 10 years is centered, in part, ind ebt reduction. -- in debt reduction. an also, it is centered with economic growth over 3%, not the growth we have now. let's at least try. does anybody think the growth rates we have are the best we can do? he doesn't. vice president elect pence doesn't. is, he was not say all trade deals are bad. he believes nafta was a bad
deal for the american market. it seems like a mess for non-college-educated households in places like wisconsin and michigan, pennsylvania, and while alohio, they agreed. it was a remarkable route among that group. in large part, because he said, i am going to renegotiate trade bad trade deals. he is not saying he will not have trade deals, but is pointing out that some of them have not worked. he wants to in his 100 day plan, he wants to be declared a regulator. he spoke with the leader in china today. >> how did that go? >> it was fine. i think there is a readout that has been made public. that is all i will fai say about that. in any event, he has made it has clear that washington
wanted for 30 years at least, and i have been in 2 polling for years. polling for 28 they wanted somebody who knew nothing about washington to come near and clean out the wrought from th rot from the inside out. it is important that they got that chance. americans said they wanted change. some of them questioned whether they were actually going to vote for somebody who has never done o this before and good for them, saying they will follow that through. >> and public opinion is your business. did the donald trump movement and bernie sanders movement proceed from the same war? >> yes, in many ways, it did. along with the barack obama movement in 2008, which hillary never saw coming. that is a problem and i am not taking on the loser here.
i am saying, if you misread america, you really cannot govern america. the idea that they did not see senator obama coming in 2008, and now the legendary dinner party. a woman at the dinner party remarked to a big clinton , what about know the senator barack obama running? i really enjoyed him during the 2004 convention, i thought he was terrific. and they just said, flash in a pan. they never saw barack obama coming. i think they never sub bernie sanders coming. i believe hillary clinton would have been a much stronger democratic nominee having cleared the field for her because have there been four or five, she would have risen. i think her best debate was the first debate. and they never saw our combat coming. >> would you have been in worse shape if you had had to run against joe biden, the guy from scranton? >> maybe, but he did not run. it is like the lottery.
you can't win if you can't play. biden, i grew up in the valley where he came from. but look, maybe, maybe not. i think that the cultural zeitgeist that donald trump is able to capture is a rebuke to really everybody who is in a position of power and represents some type of lobbyist consultant, politician, media access, axis. president biden, heideice could have done something. that would've been a difficult thing to do, because the majority of americans still have major questions and reservations about the affordable care act. it has network for a lot of folks. and many of the folks said it
was a good idea for the people who need it did not realize their premiums would be increased, or their quality and choices would be diminished, or that they had been lied to two dozen times. president'st the job approval rating is that 54% now. >> i think they were comparing him to the nominee. i would expect that for him. i think he is popular, but that popularity is not transferable to hillary clinton. >> one must question and then i will turn to the audience. steve, i want to ask him to pick it off, but let me ask you one final thing. campaign, pledging to drain the swamp, and then when you arrive at this long, hard you work with the swamp? and i do not mean you, of course.. [laughter] >> i have had this phrase, a
staff infection." i just feel it candidates often lose and consultants always win. those are the lobbyists and opinion elites. they made this excuse of, o, bob dole he seemed to old, and mitt romney seemed to that, the only thing you had in common was you. time they got purged from the system early. and i think the republican primary electorate were rebuilding again, them and not the us. there is a lot more us than them if you vote. i cannot tell you how much bravery donald trump has. nobody got rich off of his
campaign, trust me. nobody got rich off of his campaign, which i think is very fitting for who he is. there are articles of today saying he had won, probably spending less than half of what hillary clinton spent. and if you are surrounding yourself with a small, core t eam, you have the credibility to say, i am going to come here now and not need all these extra people to tell us what is going on. yes, his dream is swampland. you can look at that online. it does talk about lobbying fans, which will probably weigh on some people's minds. but people in this country are very wise. you know, my job for years has been, get on the airplane, as opposed to being a focus group monitor. for years, people have said, do we really need five people to do
one job? i would think, without knowing what that job is, it is no. the american people say the waste, abuse come the duplicative nests, the nonresponsiveness, the labyrinth byzantine, the last phase of the government. that could be turned around. but i think this want, you can dream the swamp and still have an effective government at work. >> i want to take questions, but i do want to start with steve. steve moore is one of the two co-authors of the obama: teax cut plan. >> it is the donald trump tax-cut plan. >> oh, and if the other guy. e, can you stand up and tell us how does going to work
and where you go from here. >> thank you, gerry. anne,llywatm i saw a bumper sticker that i think is responsible for your trump;ote for donald nobody has to know." >> i talked about that undercovered from voter four months ago, and i was criticized by the wall street journal, but we are here. >> i did work on the tax plan and a quick story by the way, it did emphasize a point that you made. when larry and i first met with about four nights ago, we met with him in trump tower, and he asked larry aboutkudlow, and the two of use economic advisers to him and work with them on other economic
issues. we both looked at each other and said, donald, we cannot work for you. we believe in free trade. this is exactly the point you are making, mayor. he said, ok, we can agree to disagree on that. he summarized it very well, mayor. the heart of the plan is a business tax cut. i actually think, kellyanne, we can get this done in the first 50 days. think we can do it with democratic votes. senator, we were talking about this, but i think we can get a lot of democrats to vote for a business tax plan which has infrastructure spending in it. basically, we want to take the highest business tax rate in the world. not just for corporations, but for smaller businesses. when we first met with donald trump on this, he said, when you do this tax, i don't want just
to be for the corporations. awanted to be for the 26 and half million small businesses in this country. cut rate is not just for bowling and microsoft and apple, but every innovatorll business tax-cut.that i believe we can do this and by the way, you are exactly right. another big part of that is that 10% repeat. tax-cut. so, money is stored overseas and we believe there is about $2 trillion. we believe we can bring a lot of them back in and raise about $100 billion. this is me speaking to myself, not necessarily mr. trump. but i think we can use that money for an infrastructure bill and put it inside a big package, senator. and we of a job still ahead of us have corporate, and business
with infrastructure spending that could be one of the biggest jobs bills in history and i would love to see it with 15 to 20 democrats in the senate. when you remembered ronald reagan, when he passed his tax cut, the first bill he announced was called the bully will democrats. -- the bull wweavil democrats. when ronald reagan proposed to cut the highest rate to 28%, that bill passed the united states senate 97-3. so, i hope we can do it in a bipartisan way, kellyanne. congratulations to the two of you. you did amazing work. but that energy component you are talking about is so critical. superpowerhe energy of the next century. we have more oil and gas and coal than every country in the
world and we should use it. i think this is a big distinction between where the democrats more and whether republicans were. the democrats philosophy has been keeping in the ground, and i hope, i really hope, kellyanne, that donald trump will put those coal miners back in their jobs, because that is what they want. ok, i will stop there. [applause] >> questions? one right there. >> thank you. thank you, miss conway, who regularly shares. corey from the liberal concern and i do not want that to alarm you. the liberals are the conservatives. having been an observer of this election for the last two mont hs, based in new york city, i have been acutely been aware of the height of the partisanship
broadcast in the print media. the one noticeable exception i think has been the wal "wall street journal," and all the credit to them. i have thought both campaign ideas and ideologies. how do you see the media as playing a role in your campaign strategy? and ultimately, in your assessment, the pylon in favor of your opponent would work for you or against you? >> thank you for asking that context question. the question is about the media and the role they played for us. i happen to be very pro-press and pro-first amendment. i like the idea that the donald trump campaign restored all the credentials that had been suspended. media this same time, the got it so wrong. it is not just a matter of the wrong methodology, p
olling-wise. it is the inability to listen to americans. iowa anday, muscatine, it will say columbus, ohio. well, who did you talk to? all around this country, including around trump rallies, 20,000 strong. there are people there that would have told you why you were there. but what did you learn about trump rallies? you learned there was some idiot with some t-shirt or somebody saying a stupid, pathetic, there is something to a camera that does not reflect donald trump or his campaign, or his vision for america. he did not learn why they were there. we learned why they were there. and i am telling you, instead of listening to each other on a television set, people should have been listening to donald trump. number two, you are right. the instinct that the complete pylon helped us in the end is
absolutely correct. we can measure it. that is media bias, just telling america what is important to them. and i said publicly on television many times, somebody would ask me a question for the 18th time in a very politely say, let's try this again. i looked at your polling at "wall street journal," but somehow, you have decided it is important to them. jobs,terrorism, economy, health care, immigration, corruption, but there is this say, this is what is important and we will cover it for the next five days. if you are saying the same thing for five days, you should take down the breaking news slogan,
just by definition. >> to be fair, that benefited your candidate enormously through the primary season. he was the running loop for t hree to five months. >> i think the idea was, let's give him a lot of press coverage and wait until he destroys himself. look, i think jim from the "new york times" put it best, but from august to september, jim said, look, that man forces me to suspended objective journalistic standards. i just have to stop the ma dman. i cannot be a journalist and there are many people following suit. it is unfortunate because the media is filled with very smart people who have spent a lot of time on the road covering this campaign, living out of suitcases. the other thing i want to tell
you is a created sympathy for donald trump in the end because you had some surprises, believe me, for both campaigns, but i did not understand why the clinton campaign stuck with the strategy they did, with a basically made the campaign in the end, about what donald trump said about one or two or different people, and they ran, and he went on about it for six to seven weeks. you know what happens in america. seriously? this is the 500th time you have been in my living room, tell ing me it is important. but it is missing what is important. in the end maybe you do not accept it tonight, but think about it in the shower and get back to me. i'm telling you. tell me, who ran the more aspirational, uplifting, positive campaign toward the end
? our closing messages were very uplifting and aspirational and and i werend rudy there in manchester, new hampshire. then we went to grand rapids, michigan. when i found with a leading cheetos and oreos at 2:30 in the morning, i said, this guy better win. we got home at 4:00 a.m., but his message was about the forgotten man and woman and opportunity and job creation. secretary clinton's closing message was about the fact that donald trump takes the wings off of butterflies. nobody wanted to hear them anymore. this country want to talk about what you are going to do for them. there are people out there who are suffering, and there are people out there who are not suffering, but think they cannot get a fair shake. anyway you cut it, people wanted a substantive, aspirational, uplifting message at the end. and so, yes, i think there is a lot of second-guessing perhaps,
maybe in the media. in some places. i would just say, as a close advisor to donald trump that to president-elect trump, we certainly welcome you know, a different approach while he is president. we want more people to keep a more open mind. i already saw as of yesterday when we announced our first two senior staffers. the stories were all negative, negative again, negative again, back to the same wellds of negativity. uncoveredt try to com some facts. >> it is time to answer one must question. that that the to polling also, because the media does its own polling now,
constantly. s are fory poll are private clients. i in the secret keeper. -- i am the secret keeper. i am telling somebody in a crisis, i am telling them what the data says, and not the world. and i think it is 98% of your newsroom feels a certain way, your poll will reflect that. and what you take from the poll and what you tell america you learn from the poll will start reflecting that invariably the growth of the questions you ask in what you decide to share with people. i told mr. trump, you know, these polls and pours races are one thing, but -- and these horse races are one thing, but these polls are talking about temperament and experience and qualification, but polls in 2008 avoided those questions because senator obama was running and all of a sudden, not was the gold standard.
so, even subtleties like that in the news, if you want to put olls, asyour p opposed to talking about the businessman, there is a reflexivity that way as well. >> last question back there. >> the data machine that drove this campaign and the influence of social media. as you think about the results and how you guys got there, how much does that play into modern marketing? how does that play into the ultimate result? >> completely. and we had, despite the public criticism we had, we had no campaign, no digital, no groundwork, we had all of the above. it was a combination of the trump campaign and the republican national committee. the rnc had been developing over the last three and a half years or so really sound models on
great ground games, investments, field operations, and the came there in gifts for the presidential -- and they came bearing gifts for the presidential nominee. we were able to merge the two. and ragital, we ran ads ised money. we saw many ways to tucouch the voter, based on how they like to be marketed to. we modeled hours off of the obama 2008 campaign, where his campaign master the ability to use social media and digital ters, andy to reach vo certainly to raise money, but to touch the voter, and it worked. the clinton campaign had a lot of digital operations, but i also think that candidates matter. i think that candidates matter.
folks often talk about how hillary clinton had a problem of her own. it was different from mitt romney's 47% problem. but she could not get beyond it in any of the states where president obama had carried twice that, over 50% of the vote. knowing that, we did a combination of digital media, traditional buys, digital targeting, modeling to the voters. and i think the main use of our digital and that operations within the trump campaign really goes to how we looke at the electorate. we did not presume it was the electorate from 2012 or 2008. we thought shaping up a little bit more like 2010 and 2014, but when you this would be a presidential year. we modeled the electorate knowing that secretary clinton was going to have the more difficult time pulling together and keeping the obama coalition
that president obama would. it is his coalition. we also knew trump had a different message than romney or senator mccain. not better or worse, just different. we put that elasticity into our digital and datamodel, which is the way corporate america uses it. most of my business has always been nonpolitical, believe it or not. i like people who pay their bills and it like to know -- [laughter] the like to know what electorate is thinking. everybody eats and sleeps, but not everybody votes or likes politics. when it comes to politics and electioneering, if crest toothpaste hired me tomorrow and said, we want more people to year, i wouldext say, i can do that. m,ey don't want me to tell the
one million more people would use crest, they just want to know what the projections would be and why. i would figure out, in this case, where the users of colgate bright, why they use those brands and not crest. i would find all the people who used to use crest, and i would find the current users and i would do all of this qualitative and quantitative research. you can't do that with politics for a very simple reason. everybody uses toothpaste, not everybody uses politics. and politics, the way you find new consumers, is not just by going in and grabbing the other side, the clinton and obama voters, or the bernie sanders voters. you have to find new users who do not think they need politics at all. they are going to want to be a
repeat customer. in that regard, that is a place for the donald trump phenomenon allowed us to find new customers. we have called tony heard people say, "-- and we have constantly heard people say, "i have not been this excited since ronald reagan." they did not look on paper like donald trump voters because they had not voted for a long time, or they had either voted democratically. >> kellyanne, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up on c-span, a panel on foreign-policy challenges facing the next administration. then, architect of the u.s. capital. later, republican congressional leaders on their agenda and plans for the next congress and administration. c-span's "washington
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because the global economy will collapse with the recent election. >> add-on think the global system will collapse but i think what is impression -- important is what happened with president-elect trump and also what happened in other parts of the world. in parts of the world and also with respect to democratic movements and the frustration that a lot of the constituent nation feels. the democratic pressures bubbling up as well as international attention. on the worldughts as we know it, hasn't fundamentally changed because of the election? has probablyworld changed. i do not think the world is
going to end probably. important tot is look at what the ruling elite in this country is. it is not just one person. there is actually a set of institutions that run this can join andnybody ,here is a give-and-take so there is been a set of let's say under guarded american power which is the united states will act to its interest. uniting factor between democrats and republicans. with the new president, the question is, is it going to change the way in which america perceives its power, whether
that will be the case. the pointtely, from of view of iraqis and others, they see american power is something that is there to protect american interests and elite american interests. >> i think the world is going to really be different or remain .he same depends one thing i think is that the world is entering and uncertain time. from asiaa friend sent me all kind of text and e-mail messages asking whether america will relinquish its leadership in the world by going so-callederica to the isolation phase. that america has experienced of
course two centuries ago. has a lot ofhina interest in this and in fact some people even speculate if the united states withdraws from the rest of the world, china will take it over. i do not really think that is arecase but certainly there a lot of actions waiting to be taken by the president-elect and we will see what would happen. >> there was a lot of trek -- talk from president-elect trump of how hard he would be with china, he would get better deals and he would, you know, strong-arm china into doing what he wanted. what was the reaction from china to his actually winning the election? . assume it is not worry
>> it you can see from the chinese presidents congratulations to donald trump. usually china does two things when there is a new president elected. first, a telegraph and then a call. that happened when george w. and presidented obama got elected, both times the chinese president picked up the phone and they talked a while. at this time, and no call. telegram. now, that reflects the cautious attitude that china is having towards donald trump because obviously he said a lot of things about china and the chinese government does not really know how to communicate with them yet. they will eventually
extend an invitation to him to talk it over. >> i want to talk about nato for a second because something donald trump has said is that he would want the members of nato to pay up before we would abide by our responsibilities as allies of these countries. how plausible do you think it is natowe would renege on our commitment? >> i think if we stop and think about this in realistic terms, whether or notw we are reneging until something happens. we can tell people they have to an up but it is not until army crosses a border and we see whether or not nato reacts before we can say, oh we didn't pay up. one of the things and clinical studies as you do not leave american troops out there in the heat of the moment. president trump is someone or
president-elect trump will be someone who will overreact rather than pull back and under react so that is hard to believe. i think he will modify what he says because it is another pattern of his with respect to nato. he will want to renegotiate the itemsce and the financial associated with it but it is unclear how far he will take that statement once he is actually in office. >> i think the only time article five was used was for the benefit of the united states in the war on terror. >> that is correct, in afghanistan. we used to say nato was to keep the americans in, the russians out, and the germans down. no one ever said that publicly but behind the scenes that is what they say about nato. you're right, the thing known expected would be that was the one time. >> what do you think, is there any reaction you can tell yet to
trump winning or his rhetoric that you have heard? >> absolutely none. i have no idea. that during the topaign, people reached out a number of gulf states and said, listen, whatever you hear is just for the campaign. don't worry. operator, trump is an -- listen, you know, chop is in the operator and has been his whole life. -- donald trump is in operator. dealing with these relationships, once he comes in to power, for example, he has criticized a number of times the dealingadministration with isis even though the united allies is not
defeating isis. it has lost major cities. it is being defeated in muzzle right now. -- in muscle right now -- in mosul right now. right now, the strategy for defeating them at least militarily is winning right now. i would be shocked if anything changed in a rock in terms of -- in iraq in terms of policy towards isis. obama administration policy in afghanistan essentially is war and private duty. avoiding peace talks. the afghan state and the afghan army, the afghan state and army are not strong enough to defeat the taliban and or afghan government so we are just sort of having a war century of the
for duty. that is fine, not taking up a resources. americans dying in afghanistan. war is happening as long as the state does not collapse or become part of al qaeda and i don't see why trump would change that policy. >> he said he would. of things.all sorts crabs exactly. he said a lot on the campaign trail but now it is a different story. that is why it would be interesting to hear a lot of embassies in the gulf states are hearing they -- saying they heard from people in the to take itt seriously or literally. syria, is he going to extend the u.s. involvement or is he going to be more friendly towards assad?
because obviously, assad is friendly with russia. will united states withdraw from that part or continue to get involved or find a middle way to move the opposition into the aside more close to reconcile with each other. challenging.at is >> there are a number of contradictory statements from the president-elect but you can add a few of them up when it comes to the middle east if you choose to and i wonderfully choose to. you say we are going to selectively deal with our nato allies. we are only going to do things which directly influence our selfish interests. selfishly focus on america. some analysts say this opens the door for russia, particularly in syria. we say, our partner russia is
going to help you at this mess now. do not think that is plausible? >> absolutely. but let's talk about syria, that is a good example. been -- buticy has in practice it has not been met. the united states blocked antiaircraft weaponry and the anti-tactical weaponry in 2013. in syria, talking to people who regime,nst the assad desperate to defend themselves against the genocidal onslaught they are facing from bashar assad. what change the culture listen 2013 was isis. sendthe u.s. started to weapons or allow weapons to syria and rebels. isis, mostly. it was insident obama
the washington post i believe, said president obama directed the pentagon to decrease their targeting against the al qaeda franchise in syria. the group is integral in the rubble movement. -- the rebel movement. giving as few weapons to the rebels, mostly important game changing weapons kept away from the rebels. will -- the think shift will be i think basically to drop the pretense of supporting the other side. cut off even the minimal weapons and allow the russians to come in and finish the job. it will happen a lot quicker now under trump.
>> a colleague of mine, a german television executive said after the election, america has officially lost its moral authority in the world and something else is going to step in. i think syria is a perfect example of the situation where on humanitarian grounds there is a disaster occurring and it has been occurring for years. it serves direct american interests. --st we get in that sense, things we get in that sense. it is a humanitarian crisis. how to we square this circle? the we heard from president-elect, this america first approach we keep hearing, what about syria and other parts of the world? >> i think what is important to remember is in the moment we think about the change in the administration washington but when we look at the grand sweep of american foreign-policy that
goes back to the founding of this country we actually see change.tinuity the end with respect to what the other panelists said, in a matter who the president has come with a set of the campaign trail, what political party is in power, we have seen alliances with russia at the major moments in history. if you're looking for the united states and russia to agree on ae syrian question, it is not surprise. there has been this argument made that we are the moral authority. it is easy to be the moral authority when you just be nazi germany. when you make yourself the moral authority, you open yourself to charges. welcoming andy inclusive of other countries that would like to step up to the plate and play moral humanitarian roles. most americans would welcome that and not so much feel like we have to go it alone when there is a humanitarian crisis.
i would like that, i hope it happens. >> china has been acting as a regional hegemon really. the united states has tried to go less allies around china to counterbalance the pacific but america's withdrawal or america's focus on itself, with that just open up things for china and other asian nations against what america may or may not do? >> i think the challenge for the president-elect trump is, is he going to continue obama's rebalancing toward asia and getting the u.s. military forces, particularly the navy, into the south china sea to strike a alliances with surrounding countries. philippines, japan, south korea, or is he going to, you know,
start the trade war with china china in a negative way rather the and a positive way. i think that is the challenge. he is interested in the business relations with china. would have to think whether he is going to continue this rebalancing policy towards asia already that obama's initiative has been backfired recently. has openly attacked the obama turned 180licy and degrees now to china. whether the united states is wise to really play some unfriendly asian countries against china, that kind of
backfire.t could but the most important thing is that a lot of asian countries do not want to see america leave. countries like singapore for example takes a stance that it wants a military political alliance with the united states. economic alliance with china. malaysia is doing the same thing. so talking about asia, who is going to really be the leader, right, in asia? i am not sure china is ready for it. if the united states decides to withdraw. china will be happy of course to see its tremendous influence in the south china sea, but whether he can take moral leadership, you know, it is i think it is a long way for china to go that
way. economically,ce that may be the route china may take to continuously bring the economic benefits through trade with the asian countries but militarily china was happy to see that united states or donald trump to move away from this asian rebalancing. extendedg a more military influence and presence in the wake of the change of u.s.-asian policy. >> i may be trying to thread a needle here but tying some of these issues together, i guess the point i want to emphasize is words matter and foreign-policy and even if there is ambiguity in what president-elect trump has said at one time or another
in the same interview about what he would do in a region of the world, it seems like there is this presumption we are still in a moment when the united states is the superpower that matters and we can do what we want. but the rest of the world does not necessarily have to deal with that. they can for their own regional alliances. all ofto open it up to you. how do we deal with this uncertainty when there is ambiguity and what is going to happen but other countries may be prepared for the worst. absolutely words matter but it is important in the world we live in now and not the diplomatic world that used to exist. the words do not just come through the embassy anymore. now they come through twitter, facebook. at the same time, we worry about president-elect trump's twitter account sometimes. theink we also understand
apparatus of the united states government in diplomatic functions is quite wide, indeed and foreign-policy professionals understand this. they have to deal with leaders of other countries sending out twitter messages and sending out things that can be misconstrued. words matter, they come from so many different sources now that they take a different role. all of our media does. >> absolutely, that is why you will see different words come out of the white house then the campaign trail from here on out. generally, the question of beinga retreating versus a global actor or moral leader, i would argue that always focus on their own interest.
all states always focus on their own interest. to dobate is not whether that or not, the debate is how to focus on its interest, how to actualize its interest. not just from the point of view of the american elite. is the military campaigns, is it done through diplomacy, or other ways. debate.strategic there is no debate in public discourse about america's role in the world in terms of the moral role. no debate about that. hillary, ittrump to has been united that we need to defend american interest, had we do that. if you ask iraqis or syrians or afghans, they would look at you strangely if you said america was the moral leader in the world. a divided country.
half of the country once the u.s. troops to be there and have the country roughly once the u.s. troops to leave. and even now they want u.s. troops to stay there there is a pragmatic reason why. civil warrt of the happening, ok? the worldthat part of thinks america is moral. that is something that is said here. >> i think this world without the u.s. leadership, the u.s. leadership of the world has you no sense world war ii, played such an important function in maintaining generally the absence of global war and if we look at the 1993 when the united kuwait, you know, iraq, imagine if the united states did not go in there and drive saddam hussein from
kuwait. who would do that? i actually often ask this question when i lecture in china, which i did do it? would rush into it? i don't think so. russia do it? i don't think so. despite the united nations and all of these regional arrangements, still i think you need leadership. this leadership not only in terms of playing a police role but also in other areas whether the roleanitarian or of economic growth. i think the united states is still the largest market in the world and without the u.s. market a lot of countries, including china, will not necessarily see what they have achieved so far.
certainly democracy is a another that the united states is championing. i do not think europe will take up that role in championing or the promotion of democracy in the world. so all of these i think points towards this important i think role that the united states is going to play. i think if donald trump really to cocoon the united states in isolation, that will cause extreme anxiety all around the world and in particular the asian companies -- asian countries. i think the asian countries are looking for continuous involvement of the united states both militarily, security-wise, and economically and that part of the world. >> another refrain we have heard
from trump is he is going to rip obama'sof president accomplishments. you look at the iran deal which trump has lambasted the entire time. the climate agreement, which china would probably pull out of that the u.s. is wavering at all. trade acts all over the world. there are a lot of things that are on paper that can be undone or can be started to disappear very quickly. how do we come to terms? the are very different topics, of course. >> you know, think the two things that are really going to be different going forward, i don't think it is just president-elect trump. i think it is u.s. policy when we look at the role we will play in the world. immigration. i tell my students, immigrations is not even in the books, it is not on the map.
criticalns, americans, concern for the country right now. they will register immigration. i think from the war in syria you have the same concerns about immigration spreading across europe. i think all democracies are going to have to ask fundamental questions on what the defense are on who will be the recipient of benefits and who is not. those are fair questions for people who pay taxes and any industrial democracy to ask. the second has to do its trading and whether or not we're going to continue to think of trade is a universal good. those are very serious questions , eitherot addressing political party, and need to be rethought. we have not really paid attention to people have suffered and who have not been beneficiaries of globalization and once again, all global democracies have to think about all of their citizens. >> i agree with that hand if you
look at the question of immigration it is very interesting because the trump empire, the business empire of donald trump relies on undocumented labor of course. like american capitalism relies on undocumented labor. not a single restaurant you can go to where the kitchen staff are not undocumented. not a single one. economy. on the these are captains of industry and people who run these. who hire undocumented workers. donald trump, i'm sure, knows he is not going to start paying nine dollars or $10 or $11 an hour for someone to wash wishes. he is going to get someone and pay them one dollar an hour. them reported. employers need that leverage to turn profit. so why is he doing this?
his own to be against very interests as an employer. i think that speaks to the core of what this rhetoric does. but -- this this 04 is a no for be a. will continue to hire undocumented laborers at keep them marginalized because that keeps them from being expelled from the country. at the same time, donald trump is no champion of ordinary working people. he uses this rhetoric but i would be shocked if he actually did something to -- i would be shocked if he built a wall. howuld be interested to see that would happen. what is much more likely and plausible that this is useful rhetoric to get people who themselves are perhaps dispossessed, cleveland is a perfect example of what is happened in this country over
the wording, 40 years. scapegoating people. will say its, he needs another four years. to get it done. >> we are a renaissance city. i just wanted put it up there. i mean, we're coming back. applause] >> i want to open it up for questions. if you have a question, come on up here. don't be afraid. we will address your questions. i wanted to ask a question about his this is. i was reading a piece in the new in settoday and precendents are not bound by the same conflict of interest statute as cabinet and white house staffers which means technically he could retain control of the trump organization even though he said he would give it to his
siblings. the trump organization has had fascinating deals. with your experience i will give you this easy question. with ayou deal with that president that controls a corporation as he does? conflicts of interest? >> it is not just any corporation because he cannot just turn control over like people of done in good faith, to turn it over to a blind trust when what you are selling is your name in brand. it is impossible. journalist raises questions consistently. i will be shocked and pleased when his audit is finished and and wehis tax returns can evaluate what foreign countries would pose the most conflict of interest. we would welcome that. i don't know. this is the great unknown. what the future holds.
but absolutely, he could not do it even if he wanted to. he would have to take the company apart for the years he is president to do what other presidents have done. >> if this is true, are there any safeguards to prevent a commander-in-chief from enriching himself personally while in the office? fairness to president-elect trump, the charges have been leveled at previous government officials and their connections to companies involved with the war in iraq, for example. blind trusts presumed to have benefited greatly. correct me if i am wrong but in a rack -- but in iraq, the number one country was great written -- great britain. so there have been other government officials with questionable relationships with businesses.
this one happens to be particularly egregious but hopefully because it is egregious, people of good faith who have the ability to vote will ask the questions and keep pressing on the officials and do something about it the next time we have an opportunity to vote. >> we afford use of things to ask about here -- where four years of things to ask about here. >> thank you for the super interesting conversation. thinkondering, how do you the next president should define american leadership in the world top threehould be his foreign-policy agenda items when he takes office and who do you think you should appoint as secretary of state? >> you want to start? [laughter] >> well, i think for the americanp question the foreign-policy we often say is
the product of bipartisanship. so since world war ii, the american foreign-policy has consistently reflected some of these leadership qualities whether it is leading to free trade, whether it is promoting democracy or engaging humanitarian or even security and all of this. donald trump does not have to create even more leadership positions. all he needs to do is to continue some of those bipartisan foreign policy, you know. i think could be a challenge for him is the leadership in promoting more and environmental protection throughout the world. the fight against global warming. i am not sure he could've done
that because obviously he is for the call energy and he promised all these coal miners in west virginia jobs. -- he clue energy that really requires american leadership. his daughter would be a good secretary of state. her articulation. moret hope she could be versed on foreign-policy issues. >> i think the them -- the model of american leadership is one i would like to see that america acts as what it holds itself up to. thousands of protesters in the
streets of bahrain is part of the arab spring and the u.s.-backed saudi arabia and crush the uprising against democracy. hours. give examples for saudi arabia's bombing yemen, killing thousands of civilians. saudi arabia is targeting hospitals. targeting hospitals. is sharingstates intelligence as this is happening. not just of american approval.ce, but the leadership i would like to see the united states actually upholding democracy around the globe and set of pretending to uphold democracy. whichly choosing democracy and likes to uphold interests.its >> thank you. [applause] >> i have two questions.
i will pass on the economic fair trade question and ask you the nastier one. the military question. first, europe. mr. trump has said he wanted to defund and a lot of nato but he has also prodded them to pick up terrorism. which they have done. what has been his effect on nato. the uglier one deals with china's influence over north korea and threatening to pull back. trump has been talking about providing missiles korea, andouth possibly taiwan as a way to force china to rein in north korea. i would like you to comment on my belief if he retreats from that area, will there be the
effect of japan, south korea, togetheralia getting with possibly singapore to form a nuclear arms protection group? >> thank you. you want to take nato first, katie? let's think about this. we are in a transition and i cannot read president-elect trump's mind but i do know what the obama administration has just finished after eight years and one of the stunning differences is president obama introducing the nation of restraint. restraining ourselves in some foreign-policy situations can be it's on form of action. choosing not to intervene in the war in syria, he defended with the idea that restraint is its own policy goal there. by the same token, president obama has introduced the notion
of leading from behind. being a force but not always bring me force out front. it is hard for me to believe that just what i'm about donald trump, he is not going to want to up more of a leadership role play on president obama has taken. hiswe all hope that advisors and he modify some of the language and some of the direction he spoke about in the campaign but i think that sometimes people forget what the world might look like when the united states does step back and earlier when you said, we don't have any interest in syria, i look at that on the grounds that they are not just to military and. the humanitarian crisis has spread throughout europe and our allies are under a lot of strain. nato, threatened the eu, our allies in europe we care about and have business relationships with. so resolving these problems is
going to be an issue and it is hard for me to believe that president trump is not going to want to be the first one out there leaving them any more than president obama. about the talk influence on the north korea situation? koreanobviously north policy, whether it is on china or the united states, it does not work. the koreans continuously expand nuclear programs. however, the chinese concern about north korea obviously is if the west press is so hard so that the regime collapses, then millions of refugees coming into china's borders. that is why the chinese government recently sent more humanitarian aid to the flood nd etc. there is a really concerned that in china, in north korea, that
the united states will unilaterally take action against north korea because they are concerned that the united states is not going to see north korea actually develop nuclear arms. i am not sure that the president-elect has the north korean policy. but from the obama administration i am sure there is a plan to either engage in search orof nuclear further press the north koreans for giving up the nuclear weapons. so that will be a challenge for the president-elect. how he's going to deal with north korea. i think he probably most likely will press more on china to do has saidbecause he several times that the chinese should take care of north korea because that is an chinese sphere of influence.
he does that, it probably is a better approach. the question is, to what extent can he press the chinese, right? that is the issue. obviously the question is policy a north korean would affect japan, south korea, or other asian countries. i think the impact will be serious and most likely japan will just go alone and developing nuclear weapons because japan cannot literally develop a nuclear program overnight. and the south korea might also see some security measures. so-calledans the northeastern asian alliances go back.
so that is very serious. i do not know that donald trump has thought about it. he probably has a good advisor on that. laughter] >> i did read that donald trump said maybe it would be a good idea for north korea and japan to have nukes which is going against what we have seen for decades. >> i want to thank the city club for offering this because we brought up some amazing topics that restore my faith in democracy because these conversations are so important. you brought up some disparate points talking about america as a moral authority versus the vulnerable populations in syria. you also talked about promotion of democracy when i am not 100% is thee as it stands form of government that i think protects the people because i do
not know how we are protecting the minorities. right? even white men if that is the minority want to talk about. because they are obviously super-angry and they voted for donald trump. so with that being said, all of these precious. religion, vulnerable populations, economics. many countries with many views on how this goes and this guy is ready to go off the wall on twitter at any minute with whatever he is thinking at the :00 a.m., right? my question is, we have a very vulnerable prices that is not only occurring in syria but has been occurring for generations in palestine. you've got israel and palestine combinations that are religious -basis democracies. into not how we believe democracy should be whether it is a breakdown of religion and state. so i wonder how you think donald
trump deal with that hot button issue. actually donald was in --rst call today. so that is an indication. i think someone said the idea of policy and state is finished now with donald trump in power. so that is most likely. ironically, not just because there is an anti-semi movement anti-semite movement as well. looking at trump broadly what is the u.s. policy and that part of the world in israel-palestine, israel is american special ally. moving towards policy and statehood but at the same time armed by the united states,
funded by the united states. should beat really intensified. what is happening inside israel is very interesting because the ascending of the right-wing a over the last 10-15 years and i feel that donald trump is going that right-wing sentiment and it is very dark times for because the only solution i believe ultimately the democracy i think is a very simple thing is that everybody gets one vote and they decide how they want to run their country. that does not exist in israel right now. to have to have a background have a right to israel so it is a really dark time unfortunately and i think donald trump will make that worse. >> i am glad you raised this
issue what you mean by democracy. i wanted to use this for my position. leadership american and democracy, i did not mean the united states would go around imposing a system on don'tcountries because we need more electoral college system, right? applause] >> by promoting democracy i met principlesemocratic of freedom, equality, rule of law, participation. these are the principles i think a lot of developing countries need. with that principle they can come up with their own systems. that is very important to uphold those principles. >> thank you for joining us tonight and presenting your views and thoughts. it is been a great conversation. i want to talk about donald
abouts comments are vladimir putin and russia as a country he can deal with. we seem to get this idea every time we get a new president that the existing alliance structures that america has is great but we are not getting enough from our allies, we want more. if we go back to 2003, president bush had a lot of frustration with his european partners and andd to find new alliances work with russia, china. in the end, i think he found there are you know, reasons we have not worked very well with them in the past because there's not a lot we agree on. but i would like to take the president-elect's ideas for a moment and ask all of you, where are there opportunities for establishing new or better strategic alliances around the globe? where are their possibilities for either a new and improved relationship where we could take this idea and grow something?
i don'thing i would say know if it is a direct the answer, is that we think about these elections and all but what drives foreign policy is reactive and for americans, one of the defining moments after the end of the cold war was 9/11. i think what changed after 9/11, we are a country with two oceans on either side and secure borders on the north and south. for the first time in our history we were in an unprovoked attack. our whole sense of security and our well-being was threatened in a way that americans had never been threatened before and when we think about european history, we see the opposite. the end of the cold war around the same year, ron 9/11 was a moment when you're up for the first time was secure and europeans were feeling like they were not worried about a european country invading and so
when using about the opportunities what does concern thes the whole idea of european union is thinking about rearming, a common defense budget, and the threat that russia imposes. i think it is important to realize the insecurity reforming there is the same way the security is forming here. i guess what i'm saying is looking at these is the disturbing trends and then trying to understand how we are going to live in the world that we are not going to go back to that world we had before 9/11 when we are not going to be subject to unprovoked attacks because it is just a world of change. you.ank >> thank you guys for coming. we're honored to have great events like this in an unusual context. we are talking about the moral authority to lead the world and you talked about trumps business of ansts but sort
interesting situation right now is a president-elect that has two pending trials against him that he could either be convicted of. i am not trying to pre-judge but hearing on the news that they have very solid cases. if we have either a president-elect are elected president or a president power that is convicted, i suppose to think back to the clinton years when we had a big confrontation within the congress, do we lose the moral authority to lead if we have someone that is, you know, being censured or we have a that if convicted felon, you know, he could potentially pardon himself and so on -- that is a fact. he could actually pardon himself. he could not it out of impeachment but the idea of ainking about having convicted felon as a president is an interesting thing in terms of putting us on the level of berlusconi or dictators that
cannot be brought to trial but of course we take them down a peg or two in terms of what they , you know, can be -- >> thank you. >> i thought about it. i have actually thought about that because of the serious nature of the charges against him regardless of whether or not they prove to be anything. would look example i to is president nixon. what happened with president nixon is that the republican party went to the president and said, we are not behind to if you go through this impeachment trial. whatis different than happened to president clinton. the democratic party did not react the same way. we can talk about the party differences but what we will not know is what president-elect trump's relationship is going to be with the republican party going forward.
it looks like it is going to be pretty bad to me. i think the republican party has a lot more to worry about than the democratic party for reasons that have nothing to do with what we are talking about tonight that i don't want to roll out the possibility there are really good republicans who in an impeachment trial or at these charges are approved and come to be true, would not say thing because they did in the past and i think people of this kind of concerned and once again if they do not, we have midterm elections and we are still a democracy and those are the kind of people we should throw out if they do not stand up for that. applause] >> we've gone a little long but to close i wanted to say right after the election i got word from friends overseas. one was from somalia who said a government official they are laughed at him when he heard about the election results. a friend of mine from germany
and morocco asked me what happened. they could not understand what happened in the election. they were very confused. what we learned tonight is the world does continue to turn and we need to stay informed, engaged, and keep an eye on the process and hope for the best. so thank you all for coming out. thank you to the panel. have a good night. thank you. [applause] announcer: washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up wednesday morning, government reform subcommittee chairman mark meadows will be on. key issues in the lame-duck
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conceding the presidential election. watch live at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. republican donald trump is elected as the next resident of the united states and the nation elect a republican-controlled u.s. house and senate. although the transition of government on c-span. watch live on c-span. at c-span.org or listen on our free c-span radio app. now, architect of the u.s. capitol stephen ayers talks about the completion of the restoration of the capitol dome. the project took three years and close following the briefing, the construction manager gave a tour of the restored dome. this is 35 minutes.
>> well, good morning. thank you for joining us on this special day. i would like to introduce the architect of the capitol, the honorable stephen ayers. [applause] thank you, christine and thank you everyone. thank you for coming out today. it is my pleasure to announce that, with the talent and leadership team of peopled that have joined me here today
and many more consultants and contractors from across the country, the capitol dome restoration project is complete. [applause] yes. project was the first complete restoration of the dome in more than half a century . the dome was in dire need of repair. ofh the help and leadership the congress, we repaired more than 1300 cracks and efficiencies in the cast iron. we repaired and recast intricate ornaments, gutters and balustrades. the team used both innovative technology and historic tradecraft to repair the dome. and preservedled the exquisite craftsmanship that when into the construction of
this great dome. we removed hazardous materials, upgraded electrical and mechanical and fire protection systems. and finally repainted the rotunda and the dome itself. preserve,motto is to conserve, and inspire. and we do every day across this capitol campus. and this one project was the most visible of all, the symbol of america's democracy in the beacon of hope for millions around the world. and we delivered. our work to serve the people of the united states and the congress will preserve this monument of american ideas -- ideals for generations to come. and i'm so proud of the team that worked through the night and all -- in all kinds of weather -- a blizzard,
snowstorms and scorching summer days. we successfully met our deadlines and did so under budget. and i'd like to recognize two important individuals in particular. first is joe abradus. joe is a certified construction manager for the dome restoration project. and secondly, shane gallagher, also a certified construction manager working on the rotunda restoration. did aese two gentlemen fabulous job for the last two and a half years. everyived and breathed single the television project. they did a fantastic job in managing a complex and risky project. for that, we are all incredibly appreciative. so let's give them a round of
applause, please. [applause] now it's so important for us to just take a moment to celebrate and share the fine work that this team has done here. so thank you for joining us today. thank you for your support. thank you for your patience as we restored this beautiful building for all to appreciate and enjoy. i am happy to answer any questions anyone may have about the project. how big is this dome in terms of -- is this the biggest cast-iron dome in the world. mr. ayers: we do believe it is the biggest cast-iron dome in the world. from the east front plaza to the top, it is 288 feet tall. was there any historical graffiti or remnants of the
original builders or workers? did we find any historical graffiti or remnants of the original workers? we did, indeed. first, of course, montgomery makes, as you may know, like to stamp his name on everything he did. montgomery miggs here on the dome did stand his name on many of the pieces of cast iron. many of you will see that today as you tour the dome. we also found some tools, in particular a crowbar that we will share with you today that was left behind some 150 years ago on the project. and an employee of the architect , carvedapitol, al ports his name in the plaster nearly 150 years ago as well. and we uncovered that. -o-r-t-s.t is p
al ports. >> you mentioned innovative new tools. can you give us an example of what you work you had to do on the dome? mr. ayers: we employ technology and a couple of ways. first, using a computer program that enabled us to track these 1300 deficiencies and the repair in the inspection process along the way. that was incredibly beneficial for us. alsoast-iron manufacturer used 3-d modeling to model many of the pieces of ornamentation that had to be recast, and used to that model to construct the pieceso recast the new of the cast-iron ornamentation that we put on the dome. can you talk a little bit about why the project needed to happen now? mr. ayers: the question was why did this project need to happen now?
we have been monitoring the condition of the dome for nearly 15 years now. the earlystarted in 1990's, when we had a significant water leak in the dome. as we investigated that water leak, we found that many of the rain gutters on the dome were completely clogged with rust that was falling off the dome, flooding the rain gutters, causing overflow of the water that came then into the rotunda itself. and so we monitored the cracks and efficiencies during those -- efficiencies. deficiencies. those times, we assess the material of the dome and went before the congress rick westing money -- requesting money. generous incredibly
support of that initiative. did you have to repaint any of the paintings in the rotunda? mr. ayers: the question was did we have to repaint any of the paintings in the rotunda? are three.there the apotheosis of washington on the top, which is a fresco. that was not touched during the restoration process. it was refurbished 20 years ago and it is in great shape today. frieze of american history that is in the center of the dome, that was cleaned and touched up during this process. and then down below, the beautiful oil paintings, they were not touched during this process. and they are in great shape as well. can you speak a little more about what it means to have this done by inauguration in january? mr. ayers: it is so important for us to have this project done
by the presidential inauguration. we call this capital and the west front and nation's stage. as our nation's stage, it needs to be beautiful. and that's the kind that everyone across this great country and across the world will be watching. and it is so important for us to building grand capital to look magnificent and to truly be our nation's stage during that time. thank you, everybody. >> i would like to thank all of you for attending today's announcement. and i want to echo his remarks and thank you, our talented and supported the who project. to my right, you will see examples of the cast-iron stitching used during the restoration of the dome.
you will also see a cast-iron and onehen assembled disassembled, see you can see the level of detail that was required to repair the intricacies of the dome. we also have additional information on our website and media resource kits for you. thank you for coming. >> we are now standing inside the staircase. it is an iron staircase that provides access to the dome. -- our work in here required us to remove the laminate plaster that was loose from the wall. we did a detailed paint analysis and went through hundreds of samples to document what the historical colors were of the stairwell.
as you may recall from a previous tour, this was painted gray for a period of years. after we removed all the plaster, we use new plaster and recolored it for 196i-5. we did a natural skylight above us that has been boarded up for years. part of this restoration, we removed all the plywood, opened up for the skylight and build -- and a -- and built a new skylight above that. morning -- here, removing plywood and opened it for safety purposes. right now, we are in the skirt area of the dome. this is the second dome on top of the capital building.
the original dome was a ministry and copper dome on top of the san stoned down nation to my left. foundation to my left. put on betweenas 1855 and 1865. thingsthe incredible about the iron dome is that it rests on the foundation of the old sandstone foundation of the original dome. large iron brekke said on the foundation of the sound stoned canada -- sandstone, cantilever out. that was builtim on top of the old foundation from the original dome is larger in diameter. to overcome this, a series of iron brackets were built on top of the foundation. the can a lever out carries the entire outer colonnade that
everyone can see from the ground level. are looking at the brackets the cantilever out, support the dome, and the hollow openings are where the water and the rain comes down through a surge of gutters from the top down. is this wall,evel all the way around us, that has been built from the top down, to make the dome look uniform. when of the surprising things we found was the historical artifact from the original 1855-1855 construction. the dome was built without modern tools. we take tools like modern drills for granted. fore serve as downspouts rainwater. to get a get her through that, they had to drill a series of
holes with a handrail and then take this to the left with a sledgehammer to make a penetration through the column to put a pipe through. we found this laying at the bottom of one of these columns. so there's 36 columns along the paris out colonnade and they alternated. a rain laterne is for rainwater and drainage to come down from the dome. we found these historical artifacts laying at the bottom of the column. this is a picture of the original dome that was on the capital from the third architect of the capitol. seehis picture, you will the wood and copper dome sitting on top of the sandstone foundation. the wooden copper dome was removed and the sandstone foundation survives and it is
dometo my left the iron was built on top of that foundation. these stairs are the grand iron staircase. it provides access from the upper level to the gallery to the dome, the rotunda level. her in the course of the construction, the staircase was protected to ensure no damage to the historical work. we are going to head through what we call the first -- gallery. this will give us a downward look into the rotunda. from there, we will climb all the way up the interstitial to the top of the dome.
we are now overlooking the rotunda. so the scope of the project for the rotunda restoration first included installing a large protective netting. the entire project was done while congress occupy the building. tours occurred. members of the public were here. a large safety net was installed. installed, we installed 500,000 pounds of scaffolding, all the way up to the base of the balustrade. we did a significant paint analysis that took hundreds of chips of hate from all the layers of paint to identify what the original colors were of the rotunda. we discovered the rotunda had been painted four times in
history. we did an analysis on those colors to determine what the original colors, the historical appropriate pose of the rotunda would be. after that was completed, we removed all the lead-based paint in the rotunda, from the balustrade all the way down to below the freeze american history. once all that paint was stripped, using an abrasive blasting, three coats of paint went on. repainted to historical appropriate colors and upgraded to a electrical systems in the rotunda. all the work had to be done while protecting the portraits at the base of the rotunda, the apotheosis of washington above the rotunda, and the freeze american history -- the freeze of american history -- frieze american history. columns?ing about the
the most fascinating things we discovered on this project was really how detailed the cast-iron ornaments were. outside this window, we have the 36 -- we have one of the 36 columns that surround the perry style area of the dome -- the peristyle area of the dome. all of this was made entirely out of cast-iron. about 100 different ornaments. we had never known how these ornament were created. until we removed about 12 layers of paint that we discovered these ornaments are castings.ltiple these large scrolls that are on the corner of the columns are made of 18 individual castings. this has never been recorded in history, how they were made up, how many castings there were.
bolt around this entire level of the dome. the main 36 structural supports that hold the dome up. from this, the project included repairing 1300 cracks in the exterior cast-iron that was causing water of full duration, leakage into this area of the don, and threatening damaging artwork in the rotunda.
of this. we are looking at the supports rotundad up the entire dome from the 36 structure supports that are around the dome. as we go through here, there is a close-up of a metal repair that we left exposed. you may want to get a close-up of that. so you know the dome has 1300 cracks. as you are aware, the dome has 1300 cracks that we it takes about -- we discovered during studies that cast iron cannot be welded. in order to weld cast iron, you have to take it apart, put it
into a furnace, he did up into a controlled environment. we discovered a lot of repairs from the previous restoration had re-cracked. as part of this project, all of those cracked plates were re-stitched using a process where a series of double h are puthreaded pins into the cast-iron and our ground off. they pulled the cast-iron together to provide a watertight installation. them over and repainted. we're looking at the top of the rotunda. this is the level where we had the large, protective netting installed. encrypt all the way down -- it draped all the way down to
protect occupants and members of chris during the project. -- members of congress during the project. we built 5000 pounds of scaffolding. all the lead-based paint from the entire dome was removed using a sponge jetting progress -- process. we documented the historical pink colors before removal and the copper dome was painted in appropriate historical colors. we protected these priceless pieces of our work from any noise, vibrations, dust generated from the project. [no audio]