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chris during the project. -- members of congress during the project. we built 5000 pounds of scaffolding. all the lead-based paint from the entire dome was removed using a sponge jetting progress -- process. we documented the historical pink colors before removal and the copper dome was painted in appropriate historical colors. we protected these priceless pieces of our work from any noise, vibrations, dust generated from the project. [no audio]
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>> i am going to stop here. see from the dates on it, we have three eras of glass. the original glass to the far left from 1865. about half of the historical glass remains. to the far right, there is replica glass installed during the 1959-1960 restoration.
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here we are at the top of the dome. this is right below the statue of freedom. outside is the fully restored all a straight -- balustrade. [no audio]
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>> here we are at the very top of the dome. we have a marvelous views of washington, d.c. we have the national monument, the national mall. you can see virginia on the horizon. [no audio]
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stephen: some of the most significant damage on the dome was utilitarian parts of the dome. we had gutters that weight over
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400 pounds and had deteriorated. exampleustrade is one of some of the significant damage. it was so corroded that it was no longer stable. aboutprised about -- of 350 individual plates of cast-iron. they were completely dismantled and shipped across the country to the foundry at salt lake city where a number of parts were recast. >> coming up on c-span, republican congressional leaders on their agenda and plans for the next congress and administration.
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democraticg senate leader harry reid reacts to the election. later, we listen to president obama speaking to reporters in greece, the first stop on his final international trip as president. >> wednesday, a joint hearing on the cyber security of the internet and devices. to house subcommittee's come together for the hearing live at 10:00 on c-span2. wednesday, jon voight, chairman of the secretary of energy advisory board and nuclear physicist testify about the future of nuclear power in the u.s. we are live with the subcommittee on energy and water development at 2:30 p.m. eastern on c-span three. c-span, where history unfolds daily.
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in 1970 nine, c-span was created as a cook service by america's cable television companies. it is brought to you today by your cable or satellite provider. house republican leaders held a briefing to talk about their goals for the next congress and the new administration. whether republican -- republicans will control the house, senate and white house. the party has in unanimously chosen paul ryan to remain as the house speaker.
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the speaker: hi. good morning. i am going to put this one on. go ahead and grab the door there. all right. welcome to the dawn of a new unified republican government. feels really good to say that, actually. this will be a government focused on turning president-elect trump's victory into real progress for the american people. our team is very excited and we cannot wait to get to work. at the same time we recognize the task ahead of us is enormous. if we're going to put our country back on the right track, we have got to be bold and we have to go big. this country is expecting absolutely no less. in the days and weeks ahead, we will be working very closely with the president-elect and his transition team to lay out our ambitious path to 2017. that team, of course, is led by vice president-elect mike pence, and it includes several of our own members. so we're working hand in glove from the start. we want to make sure we hit the
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ground running in january so we can deliver on the new president's agenda, a better way, better days lie ahead for our country. mr. mccarthy: a lot of new faces here. what a difference one week makes and in doing so, as the speaker talked about, we are working very closely with president-elect trump and vice president-elect mike pence and part of that is how we move forward, how we accomplish the promises made and the american public expects it to happen. yesterday, all the committee chairs and myself sent a letter to all the government agencies requesting that no new regulations be moved forward. this is not a new request. this request actually happened when barack obama won, rahm emanuel sent the same letter. it's now time to change the tide to get the economy moving, to get a health care plan that actually works and get america back on the right track.
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mr. scalise: we got these hats at conference today and it's not just a great slogan, but inside the tag you see "made in the u.s.a." there are going to be a lot more things made in the u.s.a. when this new administration comes in. you know, we've been talking to president-elect trump, to vice president-elect pence and what an exciting opportunity that the american people have given us to work and go do the things that are necessary to get our country back on track. our members are excited about this opportunity, and we're going to continue working in the weeks ahead to lay out and plan that first 100 days and then the months after that are going to be so critical to moving this country forward again, rebuilding the middle class that spoke out so loudly and finally getting our economy and our country back on track. so it's an exciting time. we know there's a lot of work ahead, but that's why we ran for congress is to have a moment like this where we can go big and go bold and pass the conservative solutions that are going to get our country back on track.
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mrs. mcmorris rodgers: the opportunity the people entrusted on us to lead on their behalf is humbling. it's not a time for victory laps or to pat ourselves on the back. it's a time to turn this victory into real progress for the american people. it's a time to think big, to reimagine this government and to return the people's voice to the center of it. because there's too many people all across this country that feel like they're doing all the right things. they're working hard, they're paying the bills, they're trying to pay their mortgage every month and they're still falling behind. obamacare is making health care too expensive. the v.a. isn't listening. government is regulating jobs out of their lives. our unified republican government will take these frustrations we're hearing and work together with president-elect trump to change the status quo. we've got bold, specific agenda items that will make a
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difference in people's lives and it will address some of the biggest challenges of our time. now, i believe each plank in the better way agenda is important but this election reminded me that at the end of the day article 1 of our constitution is what protects the people's voice in our government and it's our role, it's our mission to restore that voice. ms. jenkins: the american people have sent republicans back to washington with a mandate for change. we have a government united together with the purpose of bringing commonsense principles back to our nation's capital. since the beginning of this year, we've traveled across the country getting your feedback on our better way agenda. this set of legislative priorities is tailored to the problems facing our country, that focus on empowering hardworking americans to achieve success.
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foremost among our priorities will be bringing balance back to our broken tax code, by building a simpler, fairer, flatter code, building a code that advantages all americans, not just the well-connected. a code that drives investment and job creation right here in america, a code that gets america growing through good old-fashioned private sector investment. it's clear that kansans and the american people are ready for a change. with their voice as our guide we are ready to work as a unified government to help build an opportunity economy for all americans. the speaker: questions? reporter: you judged the president-elect by decisions he made? what about the bannon decision? how do you respond to the serious concerns and fears about bringing steve bannon into the white house? the speaker: i would say that
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president is going to be judged on his results. this is a person who helped him win an incredible victory and incredible campaign. the president will be judged on the results of this administration. that's why we're very eager to get up and running, to help him with his transition, to get up and running and make progress on the mandate that's just been given to us by the american people. we're confident about moving forward. we're confident about the transition and we are very excited about getting to work with the american people. reporter: when will you move on a fiscal 2017 budget resolution and how could that affect the appropriations process in the lame duck? the speaker: those are decisions being made with the transition team. none of those transitions have been made yet. we are now sitting down with the trump administration in waiting along with our colleagues to come up with a game plan for the lame duck and come up with the game plan for 2017. it's very exciting. we have a lot of work to do and we're having constant about -- conversations about how to do that and we haven't made
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those specific decisions yet. reporter: any timetable? reporter: the president-elect said he would use his adult children as advisors in his administration. do you have any concerns about that potentially getting security clearances, number one, and, two, should trump take any steps to ensure there are no conflicts of interest between them running -- the speaker: we are focused on doing our job right here in congress. i would say, look at this. donald trump is a multibillionaire, successful businessman who has been so successful because he's surrounded himself with good people. he is a man who has made great successes, created tens of thousands of jobs because he gets good advice from good people who are around him in his life. what's wrong with that? that's a good thing. we are going to focus doing our job here in congress. he will focus on populating his administration. we will do everything we can to help him be as successful as he can be. i think he will be a successful president. we have an exciting agenda. we're excited getting to work for the american people. reporter: mr. speaker, steve bannon has personally come after
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you. his publication has tried to unseat you in your primary. he's written about your children. his publication has questioned your children and questioned your school decision and has mocked your catholicism. do you think at any point -- the speaker: i am not looking backwards. i'm looking forward. i'm looking to the future and how we make this work for the american people. how we help president-elect trump be the most successful president in our lifetime, how we make good on the promises and get this country going again. look, you heard me say this so many times. 70% of people in this nation think america is going down a wrong path. our job is not to look backwards. our job is to look forward. make president-elect trump as successful as possible, help him with the transition so he can make good on our commitment to the american people to fix this country's big problems. reporter: you built your career on reforming entitlements, a lot of conservative ideas.
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donald trump just won on a platform that in many ways is not terribly conservative. are you prepared to lead a charge on those ideas? the speaker: we're on the same page with our president-elect. i talk with donald trump virtually every single day. i spoke with mike pence today. we are on the same page and we are going to make sure this is a very successful administration. more importantly, we will make sure that the voices heard that are acted upon, that we actually fix this country's problem. to get to your specific point, if you take a look at what obamacare did to our entitlement programs, it made them worse. we're going to fix that. we are going to help fix these problems that are plaguing this country, whether it's skyrocketing health care costs, lack of jobs, regulatory red tape that's strangling jobs and businesses, fixing our national security, securing our border. these are all things we're excited about. rolling up our sleeves and getting ready to work with our incoming president. reporter: trump ran a platform
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spending $1 trillion on roads, bridges, infrastructure. are house republicans ready to support $1 trillion in new spending? the speaker: we will work on all of these things. budget resolution, budget processes, these are things we are working on with the transition so it's going to take time to figure out exactly what bill comes where and how it all adds up but that's what the congressional process is all about. the point is donald trump wants jobs. i talked to donald so many times this week, which is let's make sure we get people back to work. let's make sure we get this economy growing. let's take all this uncertainty out of the economy that's plaguing it and get people back to work. this is something we share. this is something we're excited about working on with donald trump. that's why i'm very confident that we are going to have a unified government that works hand in glove with this administration to make good on the commitments and to get people back to work and fix this country's problems. thank you very much. appreciate it.
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mrs. mcmorris rodgers: as the newly elected chairman of the house republican conference, i am proud introduce to you the leadership team for the house republicans. the majority for the 115th congress. clearly this was an election where the people have their voices heard. and it gives me such confidence knowing that at the end of the day, the people are the ones that are the final decision-makers in this country. and all across this country, we hear from people who feel like they're working harder, doing all the right things, but yet it's just harder to do those things. they're paying their bills, they're making the mortgage payments, but it just gets harder and harder. our mission as we start this new congress is to restore the people's voice in their government. we are ready to go to work, there's a lot of excitement in our conference, and i'm proud to be a part of it.
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mr. mccarthy: first off, i want to congratulate the entire team. this team, as our conference chair said in this election, one thing that president-elect donald trump did, he heard the voice of those that were not being heard. and he became their voils. -- voice. this leadership team has had the wisdom to listen and now we have the courage to lead. you'll see a new congress with a new approach, and one that will start getting the work done on the very first day. mr. scalise: our conference is really excited about the opportunity that the american people gave us. to work with president trump to turn our country around. and at our convention in cleveland, when donald trump said, i will be your voice to all the people across this great nation that feel like government not working for them, we now have that opportunity to work together, to turn it around, to create jobs, to rebuild the middle class. and there are a lot of excited members in our conference and i am sure one of them.
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i can't wait to get to work to implement those kind of reforms that are going to be necessary to get our economy moving again, to make america great again, and to get this country back on track. mr. ryan: first i want to congratulate our newest members of our leadership team. i want to congratulate jason smith, i want to congratulate steve stivingers, i want to congratulate doug collins, for being a new part of our great unified leadership team. i just want to say a couple of things. number one, to all americans, to every citizen in this country who's worried about the future of this country and their future, who's worried about the direction we've been going, we hear you and we are here to fix problems. we're very excited to get to work. this leadership team is unified, this entire house republican conference is unified. and we are so eager to get to work with our new president-elect to fix america's pressing problems. this is something we're ready to two -- to do in this is
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something going to look back upon as a moment where we met the moment way it needed to be met, by confronting america's problems and fixing them so that all of our citizens are better off. thank you very much, everybody. >> outgoing senate leader harry reid spoke on the floor, saying that donald trump selection has encouraged an uptick and hate crimes. he also asked the president-elect to remove steve bannon as chief strategist. i've never seen anything like we're seeing today in america. a man who lost the popular vote by 2 million votes is now the president. let me repeat that, a man who lost the popular vote by 2 million votes or more is now the president elect. his election sparked a wave of hate crimes across america.
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this is a civil statement of fact. it raises critical questions for us as a country, as a nation. how do we respond to the election of donald trump? democrats want to work with mr. trump when we can. i understand and respect that impulse because democrats like to get things done. think that is what interest most of us in government in the first place. for example, democrats have been toing for multiple decades get republicans to invest in our deteriorating infrastructure. what -- some say $3 trillion, it is in bad need of help and report -- repair. each time we try to do something over these decades on
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infrastructure, republicans obstructed. so if we can finally get republicans to make the infrastructure investments we've been seeking for years, that would be a welcome development for the senate and the country. donald trump wants to pursue policies that will help working people and democrats will take a pragmatic approach. we have the responsibility to improve the lives of all americans. we also have other responsibilities. responsible to be the voice of millions of americans sitting at home afraid that they are not welcome anymore in donald trump's america. we have a responsibility to prevent donald trump's aggressive behavior from becoming normalized in the eyes of america, especially for the millions of young people watching and wondering.
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ach as that sexual assault is laughing matter. has celebrated the election of the president as their champion. we have a responsibility to lead. chamber, youenate can hear hammering. workers are hammering on the platform for the inauguration ceremony. it will take several months to do it but it will be done right. trump will donald step onto the platform. for three years you'll have the loudest and most popular microphone in the world. even as those workers hammer platformonald trump's and even as we as leaders except the results of the selection, we
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must also give voice to those who are afraid, because there are many who are afraid. indeed, and majority of americans opposed donald trump. many of my republican colleagues in this chamber opposed donald trump. donald trump will be the first president to take office to have lost the popular vote by 2 million. the majority of american voters have awakened to a difficult reality, knowing that not only did the man when the election, that election sparked a rise in hate crimes and violence. since election day, the southern poverty law center has logged hundreds of incidents of harassment. last count, 315 by the cap galatians. -- hateful actions. on african-americans, on
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muslims, on women, anti-semitic, anti-asian. i've heard these stories from friends and family. my wife's physician is a pakistani american of muslim faith. we think so much of him and we've known each other for 35 years. , myday after the election friend was in a restaurant in las vegas having dinner. a man approached him in a threatening manner and asked him where he was from. where you from? the man that approached him said, i'm local. am i.octor said, so and another night, the men a man walked up
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to another pakistani man having dinner and asked him where he was from read he said pakistani, the man told him what is nico back there. -- go back there. the day after the election, the principal address the student body of the little girl i know. two incidents had a court -- occurred. in one instance, a boy yelled at a student, telling her he was glad that she would be deported now the donald trump was president. in another instance, a boy was sent home for yelling the most derogatory, hateful term at an african-american student. language now the trump was president. , theokane, washington martin luther king center there was defaced with the same hateful word.
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those are only a few examples of what people close to me have related. these types of disturbing accounts are being heard across america. president -- i have here mr. president, a compilation of these incidents. some from nbc news. another is from another publication. hundreds of incidents in the last few days. i would ask them to be made part of the record. that was just entered into the -- and reference is made
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these references made are awful, hateful and scary. i invite any of my colleagues to read these terrible acts and i invite any senator to come right down to the store today -- this floor today and defend any one of them. these examples of hate and prejudice. i don't believe anyone in this chamber wants to defend hateful acts of being committed in president trump's name. it leads to one unavoidable conclusion. many of our fellow americans believe that donald trump selection validates the kind of bullying, aggressive behavior trump models on a daily basis. sexual assault should be of current, but this is a man who calls it locker room talk.
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he is normalizing this behavior. here's a letter from a seventh grader from ohio written after the election. a seventh grader. , especiallyy scared being a woman of color that the president of the country is making me feel unsafe when i actually should not feel unsafe. i should not be scared, because this man who is the president of the united states has said such crude, disrespectful things about women and all kinds of people is now in charge of our country. i want to feel safe in my country but i no longer can chill safe with someone like donald trump leading the country. and of letter. -- end of letter. our president is supposed to make people feel safe. girl walked into school afraid to be a person of
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color because of donald trump's america. this seventh grader was left to find her fearwe acceptable. how do we show her that she does not have to be afraid? the first step is facing reality. the main responsibility lies with the man who inspired the fear. president-elect trump must act ,mmediately to make america like that seventh grade girl, feel like they are welcome in his america. healing the wounds he inflicted will take more than words. talk is cheap and tweets are cheaper. he needs to take action. , his actions have deepened these wounds. one of his very first is not his first official act, he appointed a man who is a champion of white
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supremacy at the number one strategist in the white house. number one, everyone else is under him. "cording to cnn, and i quote, white nationalist leaders are praising donald trump decision to name stephen bannon as his chief strategist." white nationalist leaders say they see him as an advocate for policies they favor. according to poverty loss in her, bannon "was the main driver between breitbart becoming a white nationalists rep. guinta: -- propaganda." david duke told cnn that he thought this was excellent. bannonilings seated that said that he does not like jews and he doesn't like the way they raise their kids to be whiny brats and he did not want his
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girls to go to school with jews. that is a court document. by choosing a champion of white supremacists, what message is donald trump sending to the young girl who woke up wednesday morning in rhode island afraid to be a woman of color in america? it is not a message of healing. serious about seeking unity, the first thing you should do is resend his appointment of steve bannon. don't do it. think about this. don't do it. long as a champion of racial division is a step away from the oval office, it will be impossible to take donald trump efforts to heal the nation seriously. i say to donald trump, take responsibility. to the dignity of the office of president of the united states and set of hiding behind your twitter account. show america that racism, bullying, the country have no place in the white house or in
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america. i employ you, mr. president. is travelingobama in europe this week on the final overseas trip of his administration. in greece, he spoke of supporting debt relief for that country while meeting with the greek prime minister. he also spoke about president-elect donald trump and creating a smooth transition. here is a portion of his news conference.
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president obama: first of all, i think it is fair to say that i was surprised by the election results and i have said so. i still don't feel responsible for what the president-elect says or does, but i do feel a responsibility as president of the united states to make sure there is a smooth transition and i presented him as well as the
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american people my best thinking, my best ideas about how you move the country forward . with respect with theirs -- in areas where i think the republican party is wrong. to pledge to work with them on those things that i think will advance the causes of security and prosperity and justice and inclusiveness in america. i think it is important not to start drawing parallels, for example, between theresa may and a fairly traditional conservative allocation who is a fairly traditional
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conservative politician and marine le pen in france. the situation in each country is different. beforeink, as i said that history does not move in a straight line. zigs and zags. i think at times of significant stress, people are going to be looking for something and they don't always know except what it is that they are looking for and they may opt for change even if they are not entirely confident what that change will bring. as you know, throughout my matterncy, i'm sure as a of convenience, i generally have not paid a lot of attention to the polls, but since your
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question is directly related to the notion of a rejection of my , aldview, last i checked pretty healthy majority of the american people agree with my worldview on a whole bunch of things. i know that next the question, how is it someone who appears to have a very different worldview just got elected? as i said, sometimes people just feel as if we want to try something to see if we can shake things up, and that i suspect was a significant phenomenon. , separate and apart from any particular election or movement, that we are going to ine to guard against a rise
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a crude sort of nationalism or ethnic identity or tribalism that is built around and us and a them. forll never apologize ofing that the future humanity and the future of the world is going to be defined by what we have in common, as opposed to those things that separate us and ultimately lead us into conflict. europe. we know what happens when europeans start dividing themselves up and emphasizing
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their differences and seeing a competition between various way.ries in a zero-sum the 20th century was a bloodbath. for all of the frustrations and failures of the project to unify , the last five decades have been a series of unprecedented peace, growth and prosperity in europe. in the united states, we know what happens when we start dividing ourselves along lines of race or religion or ethnicity. dangerous. groupst for the minority that are subjected to that kind of dissemination --
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discrimination, and in the past sometimes violence, but because we don't realize our potential as a country when we are preventing blacks or latinos or women fromays or fully participating in the project of building american life. right -- myion is vision is right on that issue. day innot always win the the short term in any particular political circumstance, but i am confident it will win the day already long-term, because societies in which we are able to unify ourselves around values and howls and character
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we treat each other, and cooperation and innovation, ultimately are going to be more successful to society -- than societies that do not. that is my strong belief. i think i have pretty good evidence to prove it. -- meetingy, a joint on the role of connected devices and cyber attacks. wednesday, john deutch, chairman of the secretary of energy advisory board and nuclear physicists testify about the future of nuclear power in the u.s. we are live at 2:30 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> we're asking students to
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participate in this year's documentary competition by telling us, what is the most urgent issue for our next president and the incoming congress to address in 2017? our competition is open to all middle school and high school students great 6-12. they produce a 5-7 minute documentary. a prize will go to the team with the best overall entry. $100,000 in cash prizes will be rewarded in shared. -- and shared. the deadline is january 20, inauguration day. for more information, go to our website. andext, kellyanne conway former new york city mayor rudy giuliani discuss their roles on donald trump's transition team and donald trump's foreign trade
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agenda. [applause] thank you very much. i hope you enjoyed your dinner. we will get straight into the real meat of the evening and i can't imagine a better way to start the to have someone who is very familiar to all of you, someone who has played an extraordinary role in america's history. america's mayor as he was known, and he is played an increasingly important role in the trunk campaign. senioret straight to adviser of a donald trump rudy giuliani. [applause] mr. giuliani: thank you very much.
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, iard: to start, mr. mayor can still call you mr. mayor? mr. giuliani: yes. forever, i can still do weddings. [laughter] gerard: in a few weeks, we may have to change the address. mr. giuliani: one never knows. come intowant to that, some of the possibilities of the truck administration. but i would like to start if i may, i would like you to give a sense of what the immediate agenda is for the trump presidency. fascinating this election campaign in which president-elect trump one in large part by tapping into this very populist sentiment that is out there in the country.
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he won as a republican and you have a republican congress. how is that going to play itself out? how is the populist moment, the populist insurgency that has driven president-elect trump and the republicans in congress, how is that going to work out? i think you're going to see very much the policies he talked about. i don't think that is the hard part. i and elegiac the selection -- this relate -- election to win and rejection -- theew jackson defeated revolutionary americans right , and all ofs junior a sudden the american people had had enough of the elite core and decided we needed to have someone who represented us,
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meaning the people. i think that is what happened here. i think the people revolted , whatt what was the elite they were trying to force down on them, a group of policies and decisions either they didn't agree with was not doing much to help them or did not address what they were concerned about. donald trump from the very beginning had an interesting -- and instinct in his campaign, i think a lot of it was his own instinct about what was troubling the american people. i think that is a small revolution that is going to happen now. now you have to institutionalize that. when i won election as mayor, i won by 3%. the head of the republican party in new york came to see me the next day and he laid out for me, he said next time, we don't want to have an ulcer while we're waiting for the election
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returns. we want to win by 10%. this is how you're going to consolidate power and we can take it to eight years instead of war. four. i think that is part of what resident elect trump has to do. he has to take his agenda. we are a three-part government. you have to get it through the congress. it is no good have these ideas if you cannot get them passsed. mr. giuliani: -- gerard: throughout the campaign, donald opposedlked about, he free trade, he said nafta needs to be renegotiated and talk about tariffs. he talked about limiting immigration, aggressive moves on immigration. he channeled this nationalist populism.
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he also said things in the final week of the campaign about imposing taxes on companies that layoff workers. this is a populist message. at the same time, he seems to stand for a pretty conventional republican conservative position, deregulation, lower taxes. something that a lot of business people i think in this room would favor. but there is a difference between this populism and this pro-business strategy. how will that resolve itself? mr. giuliani: first of all, and i hate to go too much back to jackson, but jackson, his election but to the beginning of the democratic party. he actually turned it into a first, vital political party. now what he has to do is accomplish most of his agenda and turn it into something where
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the republican party becomes the majority -- i think we already are the majority party. the majority at the presidential level that we've not been since really since reagan. we've not been the majority party at the presidential level. i think will be a combination of both of those things, being practical. there are certain things he has to deliver on. he promised them. the way bush said "read my lips." which he famously did not deliver on your -- deliver on. -- a costni: and he him the presidency. three years from now, we have to be a country that doesn't have wide open borders, engages with criminals who have been kept here committing crimes.
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yes to show progress in that area. he has to lower taxes on everybody so everybody gets a little more money in their andet to they can spend it they particular have to lower the corporate tax, which i think could be one of the biggest things he can do to really ignite our economy. that i think he needs to work on repatriation of money by having a low bar of 10%. two-threet and within years bc an economy growing at numbers were we can sustain a lot of the other things we have to do. i think on trade, part of it can be the rhetoric of the campaign, part of it can be the misinterpretation of the media but i think, you're not talking about a man who is against the dealshe is against unfair
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, what to think you regards as the deal with mexico, nafta as unfair. gerard: do you think that would address the concerns of the people who feel really upset and angry about what they see as the loss of jobs to trade deals? outlinedani: he is this, including adjusting nafta. see you don't have things where mexico.d a car in get taxed. how about we even it out a little bit? that is what he is trying to do some he is tried to make these fair deals so we can both make progress on either side of the border. i think if you combine that with his general tax cut, his corporate tax cut, his repatriation tax cut and more
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fair free-trade deals, i think you'll see a large increase in jobs the places he wants, like michigan and ohio and wisconsin. what we call unfortunately, the rust belt. that anticorporate system -- sentiment, and that , ititional conservative could not be better reflected than in the announcement from appointmentsut his . reince priebus as chief of staff and steve bannon as chief strategist. mr. giuliani: i know them really well. gerard: you know what different views they have. populace an aggressive flamethrower. thinksgs populism -- he
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we are destroying the national identity and would like us to take on the global capitalist entities. reince priebus is a much more traditional conservative republican. who will win that fight? mr. giuliani: donald trump. i love that. that is exactly what i did when i became mayor. as writer myself people disagreed with each other. donald trump is an extraordinarily smart man, particularly when it comes to the economy, and i think exposing him to different viewpoints is the very best thing we can do. mr. giuliani: he said he was going to do it.
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rivals.the team of he was going to put all of his rivals and but all he did was put in a bunch of people that did not have a job before. he got no advice from business. i know some of the people on his business council who used to complain to me that we had only met once. we met one time. and they quit. so, i think instead, you will see a president who exposes of lf in the case reince and steve, of course they have different viewpoints. i saw them for three months on the campaign as complete teammates. sometimes different views, but willing to talk them out, and ultimately, if they have a disagreement, you know who decide that, the president of the united states. i work for ronald reagan and use to be the third ranking official in the justice department. a lot of cabinet meetings in which there were very big debates between casper
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weinberger and haig and scholz. it was only one vote. [laughter] is like abraham lincoln. when the cabinet voted against him, they voted unanimously against something and he voted for it and one of the cabinet members said, "i was this -- i thought this was majority rule?" he said, "this is, the president has majority rule." gerard: there has been a lot of concern expressed today about some of the things that in is associated with -- bannon is associated with. breitbart has a reputation for newstly robust approach to and ways in which a t people find very offensive. he has been accused of racism and anti-semitism. is that something -- you are mayor, you had to do with issues of racial tension.
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mr. giuliani: i have not seen any of that in steve and the time i have dealt with him. i have seen a very smart, .right man, very worldly man i also think something happens you when the election is over and you have seen it happen to donald trump. it happened to me when i became mayor. the day i woke up after being elected mayor, i realized, my god, i have got to do this now. [laughter] mr. giuliani: there is a weight that falls on your shoulders and you start to think in a different way. it is not that you are going to change her position, but you begin to realize that i have got to bring in more people and listen to more opinions, and broaden my horizons. i think that happens to the president, the chief of staff, the policy advisor, the communications director, secretary of defense, attorney general, secretary of state.
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there is a different -- when you are criticizing, it is one thing. when you got on the inside, there is a certain weight of responsibility to the american people that is on your shoulders and i think steve bannon is the kind of guy who gets that. he is a patriot. he loves america. he may have a different view of america than you do, but he loves america as much as you or i do, and i think he'll give donald trump his best advice and ultimately, it is the president who makes the decisions. talkd: that change you about, that realization you are now the president or mayor, have you seen that in donald trump in the last week? mr. giuliani: everybody has. i think the whole world has seen it. gerard: in what way has he changed? mr. giuliani: from the moment he went to see barack obama, the way in which they dealt with each other, the way he is conducting himself. his attempt to try as best you can to bring america together.
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-- that he can to bring america together. i do not like all of these protests. i don't take them as seriously as some people do. i think they will go away. they're going to happen for a while because some people are disappointed and angry and a little bit disorganized. a little bit is soros-funded and driven, but i think that is going to go away and what we'll worldly andch more expansive president than we ever realize realized we were electi. gerard: let me ask you about some corporate things and then i want to get to foreign-policy issues, which are of increasing interest to you, if i may say so. [laughter] gerard: not that you haven't always been interested. they are of particular relevance to you. one of the things i've heard a lot, and i've spent some time with president-elect trump and steve bannon and others, there
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is again this concern about big business. it is channeling this populist interest. this is the mother load of big companies. is are going to be an assumption that this will be an administration that will take on some of this big business? particularly, there is a big merger announced for at&t and time warner. it could come up on your ledger. bigthing like, are these mergers going to be opposed by the donald trump administration? mr. giuliani: first of all, i won't be attorney general. gerard: you won't be attorney general. mr. giuliani: good, i won't have to decide that one, thank god. gerard: i should ask jeff sessions that question. mr. giuliani: it would not be a bad idea, but i do not know who will be your attorney general. [laughter] mr. giuliani: i was the third ranking official in the justice department for ronald reagan,
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but i ran the criminal side of the justice department, although i have litigated three or four antitrust cases for at&t. way back when there was a big at&t. i think you will see pretty much a conservative approach to antitrust law. if it is predatory pricing, if it is predatory pricing where there are alternatives, you'll probably see a challenge to it. if it is a situation in which there is no alternative but a large conglomerate, i think you will see the justice department passing on that. i think what you will see is pretty much the traditional republican approach to the antitrust division like we had under reagan and bush. i don't think you're going to see -- gerard: that is pretty accommodating. mr. giuliani: the last thing in the world you're going to see is
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an antibusiness administration. gerard: right. mr. giuliani: donald trump realizes that he got elected to a very large extent on something he said in so many speeches, "jobs, jobs, jobs." i understood this as the mayor of new york. the only way i have jobs is to have businesses. [laughter] gerard: right. mr. giuliani: if i throw businesses out of my country, i will not have jobs. being pro-business is being pro-jobs. i think one of the big changes that will happen immediately, is instead of it happening in washington, instead of being antibusiness, you're going to have one that is aggressively pro-business. that doesn't mean there won't be a necessary lever of regulation. -- level of regulation. but i will tell you one thing that president-elect trump told traveled, he said "one of the things i learned about running for president -- when i began, i thought the biggest
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concern businesses had was taxes." he said, "it is true they are concerned about taxes, particularly our highest tax rate in the world, 35%, and ireland only being 12%." he said, "what i learned that their biggest concern is regulation, and i will cut those regulations in half. i bet you that within three months you will see that regulatory burden cut." being a lawyer in private practice, that is not good for law firms. [laughter] mr. giuliani: we love those regulations because we made money on them. the reality is that that was killing job production in america more than anything else. epa pretending it was congress. other agencies of government legislating roles and
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dodd-frank. we are nowbut allowed to talk and politically incorrect terms, right? that is part of the revolution. we can now talk politically incorrectly. dodd-frank doesn't have anything to do with the 2007 recession crash. it has to do with a bunch of liberal ideas that two of the guys that created the dodd frank, in theand first place. frank was the guy that was protecting fanny and freddie when clinton was trying to reform it. and dodd got a sweetheart loan from them. i think it is the biggest irony in american history that we called the legislation to solve the 2007 crash after the two people that have the most to do with it. everything in it is largely
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irrelevant to why that took place in the first place. gerard: we have elizabeth warren coming to speak with us tomorrow -- mr. giuliani: you go after that. gerard: she may have some thing to say about that. mr. giuliani: we will be happy to run against her in four years. gerard: that's an interesting tip. quick couple of questions before i get onto these foreign-policy issues. during the campaign, trump said he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate and possibly prosecute hillary clinton over the e-mails and clinton foundation stuff. is he going to? mr. giuliani: i think that is a decision, -- i have always told him this -- that is a decision he makes when he appoints and attorney general. the attorney general should sit down and study it and give him a reason balance of things. two we don't want to become a country where we have political vindictiveness after an election. number we also don't want to be
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two, a country of unequal protection of the law. a lot of that has to do with what i don't know, which is how bad are the things involved in the clinton foundation investigation? how beyond the pale are they? i think that is going to fall to a large extent on the attorney general. if the attorney general decides that they are not that far behind the pale, maybe put it behind us. if the attorney general decides they have to be investigated, then it should not be donald trump's attorney general, it should be an independent counsel who investigates it, but i think that has to be a very detailed reasoned study of the fbi , investigation that i believe is in the new york office of the fbi. gerard: ok, foreign-policy. for those not familiar with it "the wall street journal" , reported earlier this afternoon that the choice of secretary of state in a trump
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administration is down to rudy giuliani and john bolton. we don't have john bolton here tonight, so i am going to ask you some questions. [laughter] mr. giuliani: john would be a very good choice. gerard: is there anybody better? mr. giuliani: maybe me. i don't know. [laughter] try andso let me channel with some of these confirmation hearings will be light. -- the like. let's start with iran. trump said that the iran deal was a disaster. he described it as the worst deal possibly he had ever seen in his life, and certainly, what should the u.s. -- he will be president on january the 20th. this deal is still in place, iran continues to do what it is doing, what would you do about that? mr. giuliani: first of all the , president has a lot of options because president obama did not do what he should have done really under the constitution. he should have submitted that to
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the united states senate. that is a treaty. there is no way of escaping the fact that that is a treaty. if you would like to go to sleep early tonight get the federalist , papers and read federalist 75, written by hamilton, who is now a broadway star. if you want the quintessential definition of a treaty, it is the iran agreement. it binds us for more than one president, it binds us are more -- us for a number of years, it involves a significant area of national security, nuclear power. it should of been submitted to congress, to the senate, for two thirds of the senate. he never did it. what that means is, that deal is over with with the present president. the next president can disavow it as a matter of law like that. gerard: should he? mr. giuliani: either he should or he should use that power to
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renegotiate it, letting them to abide by't have it." obama had a second way he could've done it. he could've done it as an agreement, in which case, he would've only had to get a majority vote of the house and senate, and he knew he could not get it. it was a deal negotiated not only with ukrainians but russians and , -- with iranians, but russians and chinese. you fancy spending your first two years as secretary of state renegotiating? mr. giuliani: i think you have to set priorities. so if the priority is to , eliminate isis, maybe you put that off a little bit and you get rid of isis first and then you go back to that. because isis, short-term, i believe, is our greatest danger, not because of isis in iraq and
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in syria, but because they did something al qaeda never did. isis was able to spread itself around the world. so, there are 32 countries that have isis cells. the director of the fbi says there are 1000 investigations in the u.s. so they have created a danger , that al qaeda never presented to us in terms of their ability to strike, smaller strikes, but still very devastating like orlando and paris and san bernardino and the priest whose head was chopped off in nice. that is what i cannot even think about. they are overrun in the region. mr. giuliani: i think if you eliminate them where they are, power in a lot of their ability --
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one of the values, and there are a lot of disadvantages, but one of the values of our having a lot of troops in iraq and afghanistan was we kept them on the run. if you noticed from september 11 until the attack on fort hood, there was no islamic extremist domestic attack in the united states. one of the reasons for that is it is hard to plan an attack when you are being shot at and you are in a cave. computers don't work well in a cave, and al qaeda was not particular good at using computers. this new group, isis is , different. a lot of them are recruited from us. they come from england, from germany, from france, from america. they understand us and understand how to use the internet as well as our children do. in that sense, that has to be priority number one. we have to eliminate that
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threat that we have under obama because we don't want to live with her that threat as we have of what is the next city they will hit? will they hit st. louis, chicago, or will they go back to paris? i think once you get that under control, you can start working on the second, may be problem, which is a great fear of mine, which is an iranian-shiite kingdom. now, to be honest, you have to say that iraq is a client state of iran. we delivered it to them. it could be the worst mistake in yeah.ca -- no, i it could be the worst. i think the way we exited iraq is the worst mistake made in american history. it meant we turned them over to iran.
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interning them -- in turning them over to iran, we turned syria over to iran and then we were not there when isis began to develop. if you're not careful, what you have developing is -- i call it almost a north-south middle east. you have iran, iraq, syria with the backing of russia, yemen right below saudi arabia, not quite north-south. there is a little bit of the south there. then you have saudi arabia, the emirates, qatar, oman, egypt, israel, jordan, sunni to the south. that is a war that is going to happen if we don't figure out how to contain iran and stop them from being nuclear. gerard: russia is playing an important role there. there's been a lot of focus on
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russia, president-elect trump's views on russia. is russia a friend or adversary? mr. giuliani: both. it is both. or it could be both. right now, it is adversary because we made it that way. it could be both just like china. i would like to see china to be an economic competitor as opposed to a military competitor. russia thinks it is a military competitor, but it really isn't. if you compare the size of our military and theirs, it is our unwillingness under obama to even threaten the use of our military that makes russia so powerful. gerard: but would that change what they have done now in crimea? mr. giuliani: i believe it could contain them, if we do what
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donald trump talked about in his military agenda, which is we take our military up to 550,000 troops, we were going down to 420,000. we take our navy up to 350 ships, we were going down to 247. now, that is really critical, even for china. because at 247, we cannot fight a two ocean war. we gave up the pacific. at 350, china cannot match us in the pacific, and it becomes very different. he is going to take our marines from about 28 battalions to 36. and he is going to take our air force from about 900 fighters that need parts we have to get for museums. gerard: he seems to be very much against the iraq war, he says he , critical of what the
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u.s. did in libya. what are you going to do with additional force? mr. giuliani: he used the phrase he borrowed from ronald reagan and which ronald reagan probably borrowed from george washington, which is called "peace through strength." if you face them with a military that is modern, gigantic, overwhelming, and unbelievably good at conventional and asymmetrical warfare, they may challenge you, but i doubt it. you know, gorbachev gave donald trump the answer to how to win. gorbachev wrote in one of his memoirs, i think the principle what he wrote, "ronald reagan spent us into oblivion," and i am a big advocate of military spending. gerard: you think you can do the same with china? mr. giuliani: i will tell you what happened with china. i believe you have in china, and a lot of people here know china
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-- i think you have in china a tension not unlike what we have between, uh, let's call them the hawks and doves. the hawks say military power can help us grow economically. the doves say we have so many people to bring out of poverty that let's become an economic competitor and not a military competitor. so if our navy is that much , bigger than theirs, the doves that war because the hawks cannot get the money they need to come and catch us, but if obama takes our navy down here, us,you can kind of catch you kind of encourage them. if we take our navy up here, they are not going to be able to catch us. and here is what i believe and
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know about the chinese. whatever else you think, they are enormously practical people. and they also realize they have two things to overcome that stand in the way of being a great world power. one is the enormous amount of poverty that they have. they are a first world country and a third world country combined. right? half the other. half one,sunday, if it is not already it could be a big , problem for them. second, they have developed such a large middle class, you cannot sustain the oppression, you cannot sustain the authoritarianism that they presently have. that will crack at some point. and the chinese are great on all kinds of plans except innovative ones. they haven't thought their way through that yet. gerard: do we have time for, i
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really want the participants here a couple of questions , please? ,if you could please put your hand up if you have a question. someone over there. i think we have a microphone right next to you. could you identify yourself? >> alexandra lebenthal. leventhal. i hope you recall that we have been helping to finance the city and state through municipal bonds. i have been ceo of my company for 15 years and i have dozens of employees in new york, atlanta and chicago and i've always taken care of them. they are my family. and so many of them have expressed to me over the last week how scared they are. and there is a point at which as a ceo i cannot take care of them anymore, i cannot tell them everything is going to be ok. my question to you, and i say it with great respect, is when donald trump going to come out and announce some of these very scary things that are already
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happening? i need to tell them everything is going to be ok. mr. giuliani: what are they afraid of? >> they are afraid of having swastikas painted on the wall. i have african-american employees who are truly afraid to the african-american. they are all scared, they have seen what has gone on in the last week and they are terrified. and i'm terrified for them because i cannot take care of them. i can't tell them is going to be ok. mr. giuliani: you can tell them they're going to be ok. >> how? mr. giuliani: i will tell you why they are going to be ok. they're going to be ok because number one, they have a president of the united states that not only doesn't have a prejudiced bone in his body -- and he doesn't, i've known him for 28 years -- but has a real help thet to trying to african american community. he's not begin saying for four
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straight months in everything userspeech he gave that concerned about the condition of the african-american community in our inner cities, and that he believes they should take a look at another alternative to their success than what democrats have done for them. in every city you can mention except maybe mine that had the intervention of a republican or somewhat republican mayor for a while -- that is michael bloomberg -- those cities have completely deteriorated under democrats. the democratic policy to the african-american community is make them dependent, make them dependent on welfare and food stamps, and don't do a damn thing for them. so, what donald trump said, was let me give them the --ladder to success.
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number one is safe community, you cannot live in a community like a lot of chicago. >> can you answer my question? mr. giuliani: i'm answering your question. >> you're not answering the question. is he going to denounce what has already happened? it is ok. gerard: to be fair, deeming -- do you mean? >> [indiscernible] on "60 minutes" last night and said "stop it." he told people to stop. >> i got my answer. gerard: he told people to stop. mr. giuliani: he told people to stop doing what they are doing. he has no more control over them than president obama or hillary clinton have over the goons and thugs that are in my city, that are destroying property, that are taking over streets, and
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that are yelling and screaming at donald trump. so go after president obama, -- ask president obama, when is he going to tell them to stop it and when is that going to be effective? he has no more control over it than the goons and thugs in los angeles who are destroying property because donald trump was elected. so let's be fair about things. ,now if there are crazy people , who have come to crazy conclusions about donald trump 's election all i can do is tell , them to stop it. at least he is done that. i haven't heard barack obama say "cut it out, stop demonstrating, stop taking over fifth avenue on the streets, it doesn't belong to you." when i was mayor of new york, nobody, nobody took my streets. you got to take my sidewalks. you can demonstrate all you want ed on my sidewalks, but my mayor now allows people to block fifth avenue. that is dangerous.
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if you block fifth avenue, people die. you cannot get them to the hospital on time to get them saved from heart attacks, you cannot get to a fire on time. so if you want to say donald , trump should stop the crazy people from doing the stupid things they are doing, you have to say to barack obama and hillary clinton, "will you stop the much larger group of people who are doing crazy things in los angeles, in chicago and in new york that are doing serious damage?" gerard: let's move to another question. please tell me the president is going to live in washington. not visit new york. is fifth avenue going to be a traffic nightmare for the next four years? mr. giuliani: the president is going to live in washington and new york, hopefully, will have a new mayor next year. [laughter] mr. giuliani: who learns how to keep it a civil city.
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here.: yes, you, >> i am nick from snap-on tools. congratulations on winning the factory workers in algona and people in shops and places like that. you like to see the experts confounded sometimes. i think this is a reasonable question. it has to do with where he is going to live. if you watched donald trump in the campaign, at least from a distance, it looked like he was very hands-on shaping the , message himself, working on it on a regular basis. and in fact, defining what his message would be. when you become president, it has generally been said that you have a constant barrage of questions that cannot be decided on the facts. do you believe he is going to handle that the same way he did
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his campaign? in other words immerse himself , in it or delegate? that is one question. can he actually immerse himself as other presidents have? and then secondly, when he , confronts those questions that cannot be decided on the facts, look at the us arithmetic associated with it what will be his guiding , stars? will it be jobs? mr. giuliani: he probably discounts somewhat -- you don't know him, and maybe a bit of this is his style just how , reflective and how much he can delve into issues and things. these things he talked about our things he thought a lot about. they are not just things that -- he has spent a great deal of time thinking about the policies he felt were necessary for the american people. that is the reason he won. not to relitigate the election,
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but hillary clinton gave very little attention to the policies she would put into effect when she was president. he gave a great deal of attention to the policies he would put into effect when he was president. he talked about immigration and taxes, trade, he talked about foreign relations, the iranian agreement. she did not talk about any of that. so i think you are giving him a little less credit for the amount of thought that went into what he was saying and what he was doing. i have seen him in many meetings with 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 people, whether we are talking about foreign or domestic policies, absorb what people are saying. i told you about his change of opinion about what was more important to american businesses, taxes or regulation and he came to the , conclusion regulation was more important. so i think you're going to find , an extraordinarily intelligent
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man who enjoys public policy as issues, and has even admitted to me about halfway through the campaign he enjoys it more than real estate because it is a lot more challenging. and then, i think you will see him surround himself with highly intelligent people because he is not afraid of highly intelligent people. i think you are going to see him surround himself with people of much higher intellect and of much higher success then we have had in the last eight years. >> [indiscernible] gerard: we are running out of time. whogiuliani: people challenge him and are willing to challenge him because he is not afraid to be challenged. gerard: one more question. there is a lady over there with her hand up. just have time for one more. we could go on for much longer. >> julieta glover, sir. you. nice to see i think you mentioned something
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a couple minutes ago that would raise the spirits of a lot of people in this room. you talked about terrorists and , and you-- tarrifs talk about other countries raising their tariffs. could you talk a little bit more about that framework and that would indeed be something that would lead to a global lowering the of trade tariffs? mr. giuliani:? you wanted to talk about trade?ok. what you're going to find is uh, probably -- gosh -- probably more than any president we have had in a long time, we have a president who has spent his time traveling the world and doing business all over the world, right? our last president had traveled out of the united states may 3 times, four times. gerard: he lived in indonesia. mr. giuliani: was he in europe?
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gerard: not much. mr. giuliani: george bush, not much, right? gerard: not much. mr. giuliani: he understands the world. he has got a terrific understanding of the fact that we are a global economy. that does not mean that we are not also our own economy. we have to protect us first. our own economy, we have to make consistent with a global economy so we can get our fair share of the advantages of the global economy, so as he has said many times, but has never been reported properly, he is not a protectionist. he is a free trader. if there trader. gerard: he has talked about ¢posing a 45% tariff from--45 tariff from china. mr. giuliani: if donald trump
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were to sell the hotel he just pulled in washington which may be the best hotel in washington, i do not know how much it is worth. give me a price. he would ask for double the price to start with. gerard: ok. mr. giuliani: and then he would probably take less than that. you are dealing with a negotiator. i worked for ronald reagan. ronald reagan passed one of the largest tax cuts in american history. the one he presented to tip o'neill was twice the size of the one he got. so, we are dealing with a man who knows how to negotiate. you know, it is like when he said he wants everybody to pay their fair share in nato, they interpreted that as, we are going to pull out of nato. we are not going to pull out of nato, but leave me, he will get them to pay their fair share of it. putting al do it by few more troops in and in exchange, if we put more troops in, you have got to get up to
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your 2%. we cannot subsidize you any longer because we have a big debt. what you're going to find is somebody negotiating for us for once. i will give you an example of the difference. when barack obama and hillary clinton came into office, they gave away the nuclear defense of poland and the czech republic to reset the relationship with russia, and i was on a panel much like this about six months ago with secretary gates who was a defense secretary, and i said to him something that has always troubled me. i said, "what do we get in return for that?" and he said the spanish word "n ada." he was opposed to it. now, that is a stupid negotiation. [laughter] mr. giuliani: i don't know if we ever should have given the nuclear defense to start with, but if we were going to do it, we have got to get something in return for it. donald trump will probably go to
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congress and to the world with an agenda that is a little hasnd what he needs, so he room to negotiate, just like everyone of you do in business. you do not put your house up for sale if there is a $2 million house and you want to million dollars for it at $2 million. you put it up at $2.5 million or $2.6 million and then you end up at $2 million. if you understand business, if you understand how to negotiate, if you understand how to do foreign relations, if you have no experience in doing that, you do silly things, like give away the nuclear defense of poland and the czech republic for nothing, and then putin concludes from day one, "i can push you all over the world as you are not too smart." i think when you listen to what
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donald trump said during the election, and when you listen to some of the things he proposes, please, as intelligent leaders of business, understand he is doing the same thing you are doing in a deal that you want to make. you do not start at your lowest number. if you do, you are not going to be running a business very long. you start somewhere higher, with a plan b and a plan c, and a plan b. that is -- plan d. i only worked for one president my whole life. ronald reagan. and ronald reagan was always underestimated. ronald reagan always had a plan a, a plan b, a plan c, and a forest got to worse, he even had a plan d, but he never got really what he wanted. gerard: mayor giuliani, sounds like you are going to have a very busy evening. [laughter] gerard: please join me in thanking mayor giuliani. mr. giuliani: thank you.
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[laughter] -- [applause] you very much indeed, mayor giuliani. that was fascinating. we will hear a lot more about these topics and the next few years and weeks certainly. a little bit of delay, but this is a fascinating conversation. we have another equally fascinating conversation to come. every successful presidential campaign had an architect, famously, president obama had david axelrod. president george w. bush of course had karl rove, the architect as he is known. it is first is a most people in the political business believe our next guest is very much the architect of the recent residential election success of donald trump. so, we are looking forward to the very interesting conversation about that and also about the next four years. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome kellyanne conway, the
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campaign manager for donald j. trump and the special manager for the transition team and my colleague jerry psy from the wall street journal. [applause] >> thank you. we almost did not make it because there was a transition meeting backstage. we had to break it up. this is proof that if you hang around a enough, amazing things happen. kellyanne: when you were working -- jerry: when i was a young reporter, here we are. who knew? life roles on in interesting ways. you went through and experienced , i suspect you had not planned on. we all lived through a tuesday night that i think was fair to say was different than the one most of us had expected, -- kellyanne: not all of us.
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[laughter] jerry: i will take your word for that. let me just start with what did happen on tuesday night and ask you, what was the message? what was the mandate? what was the voice of voters as you read it now that the dust has settled from last tuesday night? kellyanne: first of all, jerry, thank you for having me. mr. murdoch and mr. thompson, mr. baker, all of you at the wall street journal, i appreciate the opportunity. the message on tuesday night is thanthere is more them us. the cues and clues of the election in 2016 were hiding in plain sight. everything donald trump said about a populist uprising and people really just wanting fairness and an opportunity and a voice ended up being true. and we can talk about it being
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an anti-elitist election. that is fine. at its very core, people were talking about security. it could be security from terrorism, national security, health care security, economic without, donald trump going to state -- was out going to states like pennsylvania and new hampshire talking about opiate use and ohio, talking about opiate use. that is another kind of insecurity that is fairly new to our communities. people were talking about everyday affordability. i have been a vocal and longtime critic of her public and politicians who talk about job creation, you did not build back, and i am a job creator. that is wonderful. i have been a job creator for 21 years. that is fabulous. there is another 7% that are the jobseekers. the unemployed.
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7% or so. the vast majority of households are neither job creators nor jobseekers. they are job holders. and donald trump gave voice to the job holders. the people, jerry, in this country, who say "when my grandfather had a job or your rant father had a job, it was enough to support the whole family. in the two to three jobs household and we are white knuckled trying to pay the rent or the mortgage or the tuition or the school voucher, the student loan payment," and i think you gave voice to those folks were just try to meet everyday needs and have a fair shake. people are also talking about fairness. i think hillary clinton's campaign was about equality, and a lot of this country, of course we cherish equality. it is enshrined in our constitution and other laws, but most people are talking about fairness, which is different. fairness is about equality of
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opportunity, not equality of outcomes. when you listen to people closely, what really undergirded their views towards education reform like school choice or opening up more technical and vocational opportunities for maybe kids to just are not college material, and that is fine. actually, that is good. they are talking about immigration policy, talking about tax reform, when they are talking about letting syrian refugees in as hillary would. they are really talking about what is fair. i think donald trump put issues on the map that no one was giving voice to, like trade, and like illegal immigration. illegal immigration, he with anted it economic lenses so we were no longer only asking what is fair to the illegal immigrant? all of a sudden, we were asking
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what is fair to the american worker? what is fair to ask employers to do? is it enough to enroll in e-verify and wash your hands clean? should we the asking them to do more? what is fair to local who woulds and folks do the job others are doing, but they cannot deliver six dollars under the table nor should they be asked to. i think he voice issues that are part of the social and cultural zeitgeist than just the garden-variety political set of ideas. the other thing is, i read with rapt attention, but no surprise, that hillary clinton had tested up to 84 -- that is remarkable. i certainly hope her pollsters got paid by the slogan, but donald trump basically started and ended with "make america great again." some people criticized that, but at its very presence, it was
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about patriotism and aspiration and opportunity and freedom. and frankly, fairness. the other thing i would take from all of this it, jerry, is what is the message? a couple messages. one is that i think ferocity is 8 --veracity is it -- veracity is a qualification for the united states. temperament or what you said 20 years ago is an affirmative criterion and veracity and trustworthiness is not is not true. you are not going to convince voters otherwise. jerry: it is fair to say he tapped into an anger that was out of the country, and it produced a somewhat divisive and angry campaign. i think a was reflected in the first question we heard tonight.
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so i guess one of the things i wanted to ask you was, what can be done now to aid those divisions? what he is a to a hispanic or muslim family worried about the tone? what is the message to them and what can donald trump say to them in the weeks ahead to sort of tamp down the concerns we are seeing? kellyanne: when you met me well as working on the contract for america, the word anger was used in 1994. there was an op-ed in the wall street journal. he said in it, "to say the electorate is angry is like saying the ocean is wet." i remember it verbatim. i think that has merit, but i think anger, angry as a way to describe the electorate is a little bit of an excuse not to listen to voters.
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who listeny people to voters, get to know what america was trying to tell us, i think they've fell down the job. they missed it. they said "they are angry, they are scary, they are peddling hate and divisiveness," when really, many were frustrated and legitimately fearful and legitimately frustrated that they cannot pay the bills, that they cannot get ahead. there is nothing else they can do. they have a job, live a good life, pay their taxes, pay their dues, play by the rules yet they oil feel they are in the quicksand every day. everyday affordability. there is frustration, fear, and not just anger. i would hearken back to what president-elect trump said when he was elected. by then it was wednesday morning, tuesday night, and he said, he wrote this speech.
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he said "i will be the president of all americans, even those who did not support me," and that is quite -- he means it. he will be president to all americans. you are asking specifically about the hispanic family, the muslim family, anybody who i heard, i hope they have heard him say he has expressed regret for any pain he has caused particularly if it was done with words and he did not intend to do that. he means that as well. he said that in august in a speech in north carolina. i would besiege them to at least listen, and at least acknowledge he is their president. that is the same methods i would have to the protesters. they have a right to air their grievances, but i also think they were caught flat-footed and unaware. people got an election result they were not anticipating and all the talk about who is angry and who will not accept election
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results and who is not appreciating the natural organs and processes of a democracy it asking the right questions but about the wrong candidate and the wrong candidates supporters. let us see what he does as your president. andow he loves this country he makes an artist sacrifices to run for president. a lot of politicians run for power and prestige and status and money and fame. he had all of that, and he and his family, who i have gotten to know very well and respect enormously, have made very big sacrifices to do this, and it is for love of the country and the belief that they can actually make a difference. jerry: so, if you were looking at trying now to move into washington and govern in a city where i would argue both parties are divided, you have got republicans, there is a populist strain -- mayor giuliani and i were talking about this earlier
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-- and there is the more traditional conservative strain. the democrats have more traditional democratic politicians and bernie sanders politicians. how do you bring that mess create ato make, consensus in washington because it seems very hard to me to move from this campaign, as divisive as it has been in both parties, to a place where you can create policies that bring people together i would note that we may want to look at that as a source of strength and not weakness. kellyanne: you mentioned the two major political parties and you talked about the divisions and differences within them, but it is probably good for the country, and anybody who calls themselves, himself or herself a republican or democrat, or an independent leaning toward the other party, it is probably a source of strength and comfort as them that their party different strains within it. so, you mentioned the democratic party. you said traditional democratic party, and bernie sanders
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voters. bernie sanders rotors and it of being an incredibly potent force. he won 22 states against a woman who we have been told for eight years at least now, maybe 10 or 12, is a shoe in for the presidency and has now lost it twice. first and the primary to president obama, and now of course to president trump in the general. bernie sanders got millions and millions of votes and i am not sure, in fact i am pretty sure, socialism,and of democratic populism, but his message was never fully appreciated, respected, and assimilated into the larger hillary clinton message in campaign, which i think was a mistake. i was happy to see it as donald trump's campaign manager. i was happy to see it. there is work to do. i'm not sure this is the democratic party anymore that i grew up in where the second amendment is respected and there were pro-life democrats and
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democrats who would dare say i think we can actually use a flat tax like the one jfk had, in essence. i do not see them. they are not there. as i sit before you, before senator ayotte lost her reelection, the republican party had, and one of them is here, the republican party had six female united states senators, but three were pro-life and three were pro-choice. you probably never heard that before because who would tell you? the democratic party has many more female senators but they all have one view on a pretty divisive issue in our country. so the republican party to me seems like the one that is going through, i would call, welcome growing pains, one that is expanding its constituency, expanding its ideological reach and we found out expanding the electoral map by going back into these "so-called blue states" that have not gone republican in decades. a third of the population has thisborn, may be more at
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point, since wisconsin went to red. neither the bushes who were president ever one wisconsin. donald trump one it. -- wind it. that is the sign of a shaking party. people feel welcome into the public and party. we try to do this at the trump campaign in our modeling. people, unit, we look in politics and the media, too often that people through these demographics. your gender, your race, your ethnicity, the people, you have to look at the situation as well. if you have been negatively affected, if you feel like you have been negatively affected by the affordable care act or obamacare, that is how you are voting this year. it is irrespective of your gender or your ethnicity or your socioeconomic status. situationally, if someone close to you have lost a job, then that is the prism to what you
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look at this election. and it is a part from your gender, your ethnicity jerry: by a margin. there are a lot of things to do in a transition, obviously. i wonder if one of the things president-elect trump feels a need to do is to somehow reach out to the country in a more kind of formal way to address some of these revisions. is there something planned to make that happen in the next two months before the inauguration, which is the obvious point at which is traditionally occurs? kellyanne: it has been discussed and i think you see early signs of it. even though he is and fonts in -- even though he is in trump tower right now, you see calls from other opinion leaders. jerry, first of all, he and mrs. trump coming here to washington, less than 36 hours after being elected president of the united
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states, him coming here to meet with president obama and first lady michelle obama, and vice president biden, and of course, senate majority leader mcconnell and speaker ryan, especially, his meeting with president obama and first lady obama, that was so incredibly important to show the country that the sitting president and the president elect, who had really battled it out pretty viciously they are free while, and personally, not for a while, i should say, up to the last moment. [laughter] jerry: a long while you might say. kellyanne: somehow they were able to late on the muskets and love their country so much that they want to make sure that the peaceful transition of power, i think that is the earliest and best and brightest sign that you have about the president-elect donald trump wanting to address the entire country as one. the second one is, frankly, his interview with jerry baker and micah lately over the the weekend.
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-- monica. his interview on 60 minutes last night where he was asked specific policy questions. he'd announced those who are peddling hate and divisiveness. he told them to stop it. i think you will hear a lot of personal flourish in his inaugural address that talks about that and a think if you look in -- if you listen closely, he is addressing pain for those who were not expecting that he won. he was already moving in that direction. having said that, the man is not going to become a walking hallmark card nor should he. [laughter] kellyanne: he is a tough guy. americatough leader and decided it wanted a tough leader. it wants someone who speaks specifically about what he's going to do and does not back against is pushing back
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this culture of political is going to put america first, meaning he is going to renegotiate bad trade deals, going to bring jobs back from mexico and china, all of the things he talked about. at that night in his that night in his speech, he said, i remember it verbatim, he said, and to the world community, i will always put america first, that i will work with you and i will be fair. and he will aim to do both. >> i wrote a column during the campaign and it said, those people who wanted an independent presidential candidate now have one and his name is donald trump. he really did run as an independent. i guess the good news, if you are in the position of being the president-elect in his team, which you are, is you are not beholden to anybody, but you have a less solid core of support in this town than is normal. does he work with the republican party policy agenda that paul ryan spent a lot of time
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constructing in the house, or do you start over at this point? >> this will be his presidency and his vision. he has been very clear about his 100 day plan. anybody can pull it up here, or later. you can see what he is talking about. it is very specific. before that, he had talked about, through the help of great, economic brilliant minds, topped about his jobs and tax reform plan, creating 25 million jobs over the next 10 years, releasing energy sources, shale and coal and natural gas. shale and coal and natural gas. he also spoke about infrastructure investments quite significantly, educational reform terrorism. these are not soundbites and bumper stickers. they are 10 point, four point,
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seven ponit, five point plans. you can expect that to define how he goes in and out. he is off to a very good start with working with speaker brian. he had a great meeting last week, as did vice president pence. i believe they will have to find a way to knit together what was already being worked on. it could never really be signed into law because they had a democratic president with president obama and now mr. trump has put forward his plan. the excuse of divided government is over. and i think it is causation, not coincidence that americans gave a republican president a republican house and republican and a majority of republican governors. i have read somewhere that the democrats now control 26% of the legislative chambers. if they lose one or two more,
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they are lower than the threshold that you need to defeat a constitutional amendment. these are not squeakers. these are not close. that was not a divided election in those terms. he has been very, very specific in what he plans to do. if people did not hear it, they did not want to because it is there. >> so, if you are looking up the republican party you just described, there is the question of whether it is now a populist party are still a conservative party. i think for thathe ceo's in this room, it generates a bit of a mixed message. there is some concern about anti-free trade nk.eements, the xm ba those might cause heartburn. what would you say to the people in this room, when they ask, what does the donald trump
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presidency stand for on the issues that affect them? >> donald trump has been very clear about his views. he would like to withdraw our participation in the ttp. his plan to create 25 million jobs over 10 years is centered, in part, ind ebt reduction. -- in debt reduction. an also, it is centered with economic growth over 3%, not the growth we have now. let's at least try. does anybody think the growth rates we have are the best we can do? he doesn't. vice president elect pence doesn't. is, he was not say all trade deals are bad. he believes nafta was a bad deal for the american market.
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it seems like a mess for non-college-educated households in places like wisconsin and michigan, pennsylvania, and while alohio, they agreed. it was a remarkable route among that group. in large part, because he said, i am going to renegotiate trade bad trade deals. he is not saying he will not have trade deals, but is pointing out that some of them have not worked. he wants to in his 100 day plan, he wants to be declared a regulator. he spoke with the leader in china today. >> how did that go? >> it was fine. i think there is a readout that has been made public. that is all i will fai say about that. in any event, he has made it has clear that washington wanted for 30 years at least, and i have been in 2 polling for
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years. polling for 28 they wanted somebody who knew nothing about washington to come near and clean out the wrought from th rot from the inside out. it is important that they got that chance. americans said they wanted change. some of them questioned whether they were actually going to vote for somebody who has never done o this before and good for them, saying they will follow that through. >> and public opinion is your business. did the donald trump movement and bernie sanders movement proceed from the same war? >> yes, in many ways, it did. along with the barack obama movement in 2008, which hillary never saw coming. that is a problem and i am not taking on the loser here. i am saying, if you misread america, you really cannot govern america.
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the idea that they did not see senator obama coming in 2008, and now the legendary dinner party. a woman at the dinner party remarked to a big clinton , what about know the senator barack obama running? i really enjoyed him during the 2004 convention, i thought he was terrific. and they just said, flash in a pan. they never saw barack obama coming. i think they never sub bernie sanders coming. i believe hillary clinton would have been a much stronger democratic nominee having cleared the field for her because have there been four or five, she would have risen. i think her best debate was the first debate. and they never saw our combat coming. >> would you have been in worse shape if you had had to run against joe biden, the guy from scranton? >> maybe, but he did not run. it is like the lottery. you can't win if you can't play.
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biden, i grew up in the valley where he came from. but look, maybe, maybe not. i think that the cultural zeitgeist that donald trump is able to capture is a rebuke to really everybody who is in a position of power and represents some type of lobbyist consultant, politician, media access, axis. president biden, heideice could have done something. that would've been a difficult thing to do, because the majority of americans still have major questions and reservations about the affordable care act. it has network for a lot of folks. and many of the folks said it was a good idea for the people who need it did not realize their premiums would be
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increased, or their quality and choices would be diminished, or that they had been lied to two dozen times. president'st the job approval rating is that 54% now. >> i think they were comparing him to the nominee. i would expect that for him. i think he is popular, but that popularity is not transferable to hillary clinton. >> one must question and then i will turn to the audience. steve, i want to ask him to pick it off, but let me ask you one final thing. campaign, pledging to drain the swamp, and then when you arrive at this long, hard you work with the swamp? and i do not mean you, of course.. [laughter] >> i have had this phrase, a staff infection."
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i just feel it candidates often lose and consultants always win. those are the lobbyists and opinion elites. they made this excuse of, o, bob dole he seemed to old, and mitt romney seemed to that, the only thing you had in common was you. time they got purged from the system early. and i think the republican primary electorate were rebuilding again, them and not the us. there is a lot more us than them if you vote. i cannot tell you how much bravery donald trump has. nobody got rich off of his campaign, trust me. nobody got rich off of his
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campaign, which i think is very fitting for who he is. there are articles of today saying he had won, probably spending less than half of what hillary clinton spent. and if you are surrounding yourself with a small, core t eam, you have the credibility to say, i am going to come here now and not need all these extra people to tell us what is going on. yes, his dream is swampland. you can look at that online. it does talk about lobbying fans, which will probably weigh on some people's minds. but people in this country are very wise. you know, my job for years has been, get on the airplane, as opposed to being a focus group monitor. for years, people have said, do we really need five people to do one job? i would think, without knowing what that job is, it is no.
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the american people say the waste, abuse come the duplicative nests, the nonresponsiveness, the labyrinth byzantine, the last phase of the government. that could be turned around. but i think this want, you can dream the swamp and still have an effective government at work. >> i want to take questions, but i do want to start with steve. steve moore is one of the two co-authors of the obama: teax cut plan. >> it is the donald trump tax-cut plan. >> oh, and if the other guy. e, can you stand up and tell us how does going to work and where you go from here. >> thank you, gerry.
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anne,llywatm i saw a bumper sticker that i think is responsible for your trump;ote for donald nobody has to know." >> i talked about that undercovered from voter four months ago, and i was criticized by the wall street journal, but we are here. >> i did work on the tax plan and a quick story by the way, it did emphasize a point that you made. when larry and i first met with about four nights ago, we met with him in trump tower, and he asked larry aboutkudlow, and the two of use economic advisers to him and work with them on other economic issues. we both looked at each other and
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said, donald, we cannot work for you. we believe in free trade. this is exactly the point you are making, mayor. he said, ok, we can agree to disagree on that. he summarized it very well, mayor. the heart of the plan is a business tax cut. i actually think, kellyanne, we can get this done in the first 50 days. think we can do it with democratic votes. senator, we were talking about this, but i think we can get a lot of democrats to vote for a business tax plan which has infrastructure spending in it. basically, we want to take the highest business tax rate in the world. not just for corporations, but for smaller businesses. when we first met with donald trump on this, he said, when you do this tax, i don't want just to be for the corporations.
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awanted to be for the 26 and half million small businesses in this country. cut rate is not just for bowling and microsoft and apple, but every innovatorll business tax-cut.that i believe we can do this and by the way, you are exactly right. another big part of that is that 10% repeat. tax-cut. so, money is stored overseas and we believe there is about $2 trillion. we believe we can bring a lot of them back in and raise about $100 billion. this is me speaking to myself, not necessarily mr. trump. but i think we can use that money for an infrastructure bill and put it inside a big package, senator. and we of a job still ahead of us have corporate, and business with infrastructure spending that could be one of the biggest
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jobs bills in history and i would love to see it with 15 to 20 democrats in the senate. when you remembered ronald reagan, when he passed his tax cut, the first bill he announced was called the bully will democrats. -- the bull wweavil democrats. when ronald reagan proposed to cut the highest rate to 28%, that bill passed the united states senate 97-3. so, i hope we can do it in a bipartisan way, kellyanne. congratulations to the two of you. you did amazing work. but that energy component you are talking about is so critical. superpowerhe energy of the next century. we have more oil and gas and coal than every country in the world and we should use it. i think this is a big
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distinction between where the democrats more and whether republicans were. the democrats philosophy has been keeping in the ground, and i hope, i really hope, kellyanne, that donald trump will put those coal miners back in their jobs, because that is what they want. ok, i will stop there. [applause] >> questions? one right there. >> thank you. thank you, miss conway, who regularly shares. corey from the liberal concern and i do not want that to alarm you. the liberals are the conservatives. having been an observer of this election for the last two mont hs, based in new york city, i have been acutely been aware of the height of the partisanship broadcast in the print media.
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the one noticeable exception i think has been the wal "wall street journal," and all the credit to them. i have thought both campaign ideas and ideologies. how do you see the media as playing a role in your campaign strategy? and ultimately, in your assessment, the pylon in favor of your opponent would work for you or against you? >> thank you for asking that context question. the question is about the media and the role they played for us. i happen to be very pro-press and pro-first amendment. i like the idea that the donald trump campaign restored all the credentials that had been suspended. media this same time, the got it so wrong. it is not just a matter of the wrong methodology, p olling-wise. it is the inability to listen to
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americans. iowa anday, muscatine, it will say columbus, ohio. well, who did you talk to? all around this country, including around trump rallies, 20,000 strong. there are people there that would have told you why you were there. but what did you learn about trump rallies? you learned there was some idiot with some t-shirt or somebody saying a stupid, pathetic, there is something to a camera that does not reflect donald trump or his campaign, or his vision for america. he did not learn why they were there. we learned why they were there. and i am telling you, instead of listening to each other on a television set, people should have been listening to donald trump. number two, you are right. the instinct that the complete pylon helped us in the end is absolutely correct. we can measure it. that is media bias,
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just telling america what is important to them. and i said publicly on television many times, somebody would ask me a question for the 18th time in a very politely say, let's try this again. i looked at your polling at "wall street journal," but somehow, you have decided it is important to them. jobs,terrorism, economy, health care, immigration, corruption, but there is this say, this is what is important and we will cover it for the next five days. if you are saying the same thing for five days, you should take down the breaking news slogan, just by definition. >> to be fair, that benefited
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your candidate enormously through the primary season. he was the running loop for t hree to five months. >> i think the idea was, let's give him a lot of press coverage and wait until he destroys himself. look, i think jim from the "new york times" put it best, but from august to september, jim said, look, that man forces me to suspended objective journalistic standards. i just have to stop the ma dman. i cannot be a journalist and there are many people following suit. it is unfortunate because the media is filled with very smart people who have spent a lot of time on the road covering this campaign, living out of suitcases. the other thing i want to tell you is a created sympathy for donald trump in the end because
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you had some surprises, believe me, for both campaigns, but i did not understand why the clinton campaign stuck with the strategy they did, with a basically made the campaign in the end, about what donald trump said about one or two or different people, and they ran, and he went on about it for six to seven weeks. you know what happens in america. seriously? this is the 500th time you have been in my living room, tell ing me it is important. but it is missing what is important. in the end maybe you do not accept it tonight, but think about it in the shower and get back to me. i'm telling you. tell me, who ran the more aspirational, uplifting, positive campaign toward the end ? our closing messages were very
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uplifting and aspirational and and i werend rudy there in manchester, new hampshire. then we went to grand rapids, michigan. when i found with a leading cheetos and oreos at 2:30 in the morning, i said, this guy better win. we got home at 4:00 a.m., but his message was about the forgotten man and woman and opportunity and job creation. secretary clinton's closing message was about the fact that donald trump takes the wings off of butterflies. nobody wanted to hear them anymore. this country want to talk about what you are going to do for them. there are people out there who are suffering, and there are people out there who are not suffering, but think they cannot get a fair shake. anyway you cut it, people wanted a substantive, aspirational, uplifting message at the end. and so, yes, i think there is a lot of second-guessing perhaps, maybe in the media. in some places.
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i would just say, as a close advisor to donald trump that to president-elect trump, we certainly welcome you know, a different approach while he is president. we want more people to keep a more open mind. i already saw as of yesterday when we announced our first two senior staffers. the stories were all negative, negative again, negative again, back to the same wellds of negativity. uncoveredt try to com some facts. >> it is time to answer one must question. that that the to polling also, because the media does its own polling now, constantly. s are fory poll are
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private clients. i in the secret keeper. -- i am the secret keeper. i am telling somebody in a crisis, i am telling them what the data says, and not the world. and i think it is 98% of your newsroom feels a certain way, your poll will reflect that. and what you take from the poll and what you tell america you learn from the poll will start reflecting that invariably the growth of the questions you ask in what you decide to share with people. i told mr. trump, you know, these polls and pours races are one thing, but -- and these horse races are one thing, but these polls are talking about temperament and experience and qualification, but polls in 2008 avoided those questions because senator obama was running and all of a sudden, not was the gold standard. so, even subtleties like that in the news, if you want to put
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olls, asyour p opposed to talking about the businessman, there is a reflexivity that way as well. >> last question back there. >> the data machine that drove this campaign and the influence of social media. as you think about the results and how you guys got there, how much does that play into modern marketing? how does that play into the ultimate result? >> completely. and we had, despite the public criticism we had, we had no campaign, no digital, no groundwork, we had all of the above. it was a combination of the trump campaign and the republican national committee. the rnc had been developing over the last three and a half years or so really sound models on great ground games, investments,
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field operations, and the came there in gifts for the presidential -- and they came bearing gifts for the presidential nominee. we were able to merge the two. and ragital, we ran ads ised money. we saw many ways to tucouch the voter, based on how they like to be marketed to. we modeled hours off of the obama 2008 campaign, where his campaign master the ability to use social media and digital ters, andy to reach vo certainly to raise money, but to touch the voter, and it worked. the clinton campaign had a lot of digital operations, but i also think that candidates matter. i think that candidates matter. folks often talk about how
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hillary clinton had a problem of her own. it was different from mitt romney's 47% problem. but she could not get beyond it in any of the states where president obama had carried twice that, over 50% of the vote. knowing that, we did a combination of digital media, traditional buys, digital targeting, modeling to the voters. and i think the main use of our digital and that operations within the trump campaign really goes to how we looke at the electorate. we did not presume it was the electorate from 2012 or 2008. we thought shaping up a little bit more like 2010 and 2014, but when you this would be a presidential year. we modeled the electorate knowing that secretary clinton was going to have the more difficult time pulling together and keeping the obama coalition that president obama would. it is his coalition.
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we also knew trump had a different message than romney or senator mccain. not better or worse, just different. we put that elasticity into our digital and datamodel, which is the way corporate america uses it. most of my business has always been nonpolitical, believe it or not. i like people who pay their bills and it like to know -- [laughter] the like to know what electorate is thinking. everybody eats and sleeps, but not everybody votes or likes politics. when it comes to politics and electioneering, if crest toothpaste hired me tomorrow and said, we want more people to year, i wouldext say, i can do that. m,ey don't want me to tell the
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one million more people would use crest, they just want to know what the projections would be and why. i would figure out, in this case, where the users of colgate bright, why they use those brands and not crest. i would find all the people who used to use crest, and i would find the current users and i would do all of this qualitative and quantitative research. you can't do that with politics for a very simple reason. everybody uses toothpaste, not everybody uses politics. and politics, the way you find new consumers, is not just by going in and grabbing the other side, the clinton and obama voters, or the bernie sanders voters. you have to find new users who do not think they need politics at all. they are going to want to be a repeat customer. in that regard, that is a place
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for the donald trump phenomenon allowed us to find new customers. we have called tony heard people say, "-- and we have constantly heard people say, "i have not been this excited since ronald reagan." they did not look on paper like donald trump voters because they had not voted for a long time, or they had either voted democratically. >> a pendulum foreign-policy challenges facing the next administration. then, the architect of the capitol unveils the capitol dome restoration. later, securities and exchange commission chair mary jo white testifies at an oversight hearing for agency. >> u.s. senator cory booker delivers the 24th annual joseph l rao junior lecture wednesday.
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he will be interviewed by wade henderson, president and ceo of the leadership conference of civil and human rights. that is life at 6:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> wednesday night, hillary clinton will be honored for her work at the children's defense fund. this is secretary clinton's first public appearance since conceding the presidential election. watch live at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span2. >> with donald trump elected as the next u.s. president, melania trump becomes our nation's second foreign-born first lady since louisa catherine adams. learn more about the influence of america's presidential spouses from c-span's book, "first lady's." it gives a look into the personalizing the personalizing influences of every presidential spouse in american history. it's a companion to c-span's well-regarded biography tv series and features interviewed s with 54 of the nation's
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>> good evening. i am the director of programming for the city club of cleveland welcomes my pleasure to you to this event where we are discussing the foreign policy issues facing our next president. the is presented by northeastern consortium of middle eastern studies and our radio partners. i would like to introduce our moderator who will introduced our panelists. >> thank you. . am from 90.3 the most exciting part of the evening is when you get up and share comments or what have you after the discussion.
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we will try to cover as much missd as we can but if we something or you want to focus, feel free to come up and we will address that. i would like to start by letting the panelists say a few words. >> i am a professor at case western reserve university in cleveland ohio. in cleveland on the west side so i was happy to get a job here and come back home. comes inmy expertise the area but also experience because i worked at a u.s. embassy and different jobs. i tried to bring a focus on politics and academics. and am an author ian journalist. theser the middle east,
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days mostly iraq and syria. called "no good men among the the living. [-- -- experiences their over the last 15 years. in addition, i am also finishing my dissertation and a few days. applause] >> good evening. i am studying science at the cleveland state university. cleveland has been my second hometown and probably the second longest, the longest of course i grew up in china before i left.
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my teachingn see, and research will be asian and political economic development of developing countries and my research mostly focuses on the east asian politics. clinicalse development. i look forward to tonight's discussion. broad range of expertise and we will need every ounce of it. internationalin relations and world order. all of the things i've read in the last two days tell me my apply anymorenot because the global economy will
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collapse with the recent election. >> add-on think the global system will collapse but i think what is impression -- important is what happened with president-elect trump and also what happened in other parts of the world. in parts of the world and also with respect to democratic movements and the frustration that a lot of the constituent nation feels. the democratic pressures bubbling up as well as international attention. on the worldughts as we know it, hasn't fundamentally changed because of the election? has probablyworld changed. i do not think the world is going to end probably. important tot is
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look at what the ruling elite in this country is. it is not just one person. there is actually a set of institutions that run this can join andnybody ,here is a give-and-take so there is been a set of let's say under guarded american power which is the united states will act to its interest. uniting factor between democrats and republicans. with the new president, the question is, is it going to change the way in which america perceives its power, whether that will be the case.
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the pointtely, from of view of iraqis and others, they see american power is something that is there to protect american interests and elite american interests. >> i think the world is going to really be different or remain .he same depends one thing i think is that the world is entering and uncertain time. from asiaa friend sent me all kind of text and e-mail messages asking whether america will relinquish its leadership in the world by going so-callederica to the isolation phase. that america has experienced of course two centuries ago. has a lot ofhina
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interest in this and in fact some people even speculate if the united states withdraws from the rest of the world, china will take it over. i do not really think that is arecase but certainly there a lot of actions waiting to be taken by the president-elect and we will see what would happen. >> there was a lot of trek -- talk from president-elect trump of how hard he would be with china, he would get better deals and he would, you know, strong-arm china into doing what he wanted. what was the reaction from china to his actually winning the election? . assume it is not worry >> it you can see from the chinese presidents congratulations to donald trump.
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usually china does two things when there is a new president elected. first, a telegraph and then a call. that happened when george w. and presidented obama got elected, both times the chinese president picked up the phone and they talked a while. at this time, and no call. telegram. now, that reflects the cautious attitude that china is having towards donald trump because obviously he said a lot of things about china and the chinese government does not really know how to communicate with them yet. they will eventually extend an invitation to him to talk it over.
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>> i want to talk about nato for a second because something donald trump has said is that he would want the members of nato to pay up before we would abide by our responsibilities as allies of these countries. how plausible do you think it is natowe would renege on our commitment? >> i think if we stop and think about this in realistic terms, whether or notw we are reneging until something happens. we can tell people they have to an up but it is not until army crosses a border and we see whether or not nato reacts before we can say, oh we didn't pay up. one of the things and clinical studies as you do not leave american troops out there in the heat of the moment. president trump is someone or president-elect trump will be someone who will overreact rather than pull back and under
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react so that is hard to believe. i think he will modify what he says because it is another pattern of his with respect to nato. he will want to renegotiate the itemsce and the financial associated with it but it is unclear how far he will take that statement once he is actually in office. >> i think the only time article five was used was for the benefit of the united states in the war on terror. >> that is correct, in afghanistan. we used to say nato was to keep the americans in, the russians out, and the germans down. no one ever said that publicly but behind the scenes that is what they say about nato. you're right, the thing known expected would be that was the one time. >> what do you think, is there any reaction you can tell yet to trump winning or his rhetoric
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that you have heard? >> absolutely none. i have no idea. that during the topaign, people reached out a number of gulf states and said, listen, whatever you hear is just for the campaign. don't worry. operator, trump is an -- listen, you know, chop is in the operator and has been his whole life. -- donald trump is in operator. dealing with these relationships, once he comes in to power, for example, he has criticized a number of times the dealingadministration with isis even though the united allies is not defeating isis. it has lost major cities. it is being defeated in muzzle
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right now. -- in muscle right now -- in mosul right now. right now, the strategy for defeating them at least militarily is winning right now. i would be shocked if anything changed in a rock in terms of -- in iraq in terms of policy towards isis. obama administration policy in afghanistan essentially is war and private duty. avoiding peace talks. the afghan state and the afghan army, the afghan state and army are not strong enough to defeat the taliban and or afghan government so we are just sort of having a war century of the for duty. that is fine, not taking up a resources.
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americans dying in afghanistan. war is happening as long as the state does not collapse or become part of al qaeda and i don't see why trump would change that policy. >> he said he would. of things.all sorts crabs exactly. he said a lot on the campaign trail but now it is a different story. that is why it would be interesting to hear a lot of embassies in the gulf states are hearing they -- saying they heard from people in the to take itt seriously or literally. syria, is he going to extend the u.s. involvement or is he going tobecause obviouslys friendly with russia.
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will united states withdraw from that part or continue to get involved or find a middle way to move the opposition into the aside more close to reconcile with each other. challenging.at is >> there are a number of contradictory statements from the president-elect but you can add a few of them up when it comes to the middle east if you choose to and i wonderfully choose to. you say we are going to selectively deal with our nato allies. we are only going to do things which directly influence our selfish interests. selfishly focus on america. some analysts say this opens the door for russia, particularly in syria. we say, our partner russia is going to help you at this mess now. do not think that is plausible? >> absolutely.
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but let's talk about syria, that is a good example. been -- buticy has in practice it has not been met. the united states blocked antiaircraft weaponry and the anti-tactical weaponry in 2013. in syria, talking to people who regime,nst the assad desperate to defend themselves against the genocidal onslaught they are facing from bashar assad. what change the culture listen 2013 was isis. sendthe u.s. started to weapons or allow weapons to syria and rebels. isis, mostly. it was insident obama the washington post i believe,
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said president obama directed the pentagon to decrease their targeting against the al qaeda franchise in syria. the group is integral in the rubble movement. -- the rebel movement. giving as few weapons to the rebels, mostly important game changing weapons kept away from the rebels. will -- the think shift will be i think basically to drop the pretense of supporting the other side. cut off even the minimal weapons and allow the russians to come in and finish the job. it will happen a lot quicker now under trump. >> a colleague of mine, a german television executive said after
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the election, america has officially lost its moral authority in the world and something else is going to step in. i think syria is a perfect example of the situation where on humanitarian grounds there is a disaster occurring and it has been occurring for years. it serves direct american interests. --st we get in that sense, things we get in that sense. it is a humanitarian crisis. how to we square this circle? the we heard from president-elect, this america first approach we keep hearing, what about syria and other parts of the world? >> i think what is important to remember is in the moment we think about the change in the administration washington but when we look at the grand sweep of american foreign-policy that goes back to the founding of this country we actually see change.tinuity the end
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with respect to what the other panelists said, in a matter who the president has come with a set of the campaign trail, what political party is in power, we have seen alliances with russia at the major moments in history. if you're looking for the united states and russia to agree on ae syrian question, it is not surprise. there has been this argument made that we are the moral authority. it is easy to be the moral authority when you just be nazi germany. when you make yourself the moral authority, you open yourself to charges. welcoming andy inclusive of other countries that would like to step up to the plate and play moral humanitarian roles. most americans would welcome that and not so much feel like we have to go it alone when there is a humanitarian crisis. i would like that, i hope it happens. >> china has been acting as a
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regional hegemon really. the united states has tried to go less allies around china to counterbalance the pacific but america's withdrawal or america's focus on itself, with that just open up things for china and other asian nations against what america may or may not do? >> i think the challenge for the president-elect trump is, is he going to continue obama's rebalancing toward asia and getting the u.s. military forces, particularly the navy, into the south china sea to strike a alliances with surrounding countries. philippines, japan, south korea, or is he going to, you know, start the trade war with china china in a negative
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way rather the and a positive way. i think that is the challenge. he is interested in the business relations with china. would have to think whether he is going to continue this rebalancing policy towards asia already that obama's initiative has been backfired recently. has openly attacked the obama turned 180licy and degrees now to china. whether the united states is wise to really play some unfriendly asian countries against china, that kind of backfire.t could
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but the most important thing is that a lot of asian countries do not want to see america leave. countries like singapore for example takes a stance that it wants a military political alliance with the united states. economic alliance with china. malaysia is doing the same thing. so talking about asia, who is going to really be the leader, right, in asia? i am not sure china is ready for it. if the united states decides to withdraw. china will be happy of course to see its tremendous influence in the south china sea, but whether he can take moral leadership, you know, it is i think it is a long way for china to go that way. economically,ce
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that may be the route china may take to continuously bring the economic benefits through trade with the asian countries but militarily china was happy to see that united states or donald trump to move away from this asian rebalancing. extendedg a more military influence and presence in the wake of the change of u.s.-asian policy. >> i may be trying to thread a needle here but tying some of these issues together, i guess the point i want to emphasize is words matter and foreign-policy and even if there is ambiguity in what president-elect trump has said at one time or another in the same interview about what he would do in a region of the
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world, it seems like there is this presumption we are still in a moment when the united states is the superpower that matters and we can do what we want. but the rest of the world does not necessarily have to deal with that. they can for their own regional alliances. all ofto open it up to you. how do we deal with this uncertainty when there is ambiguity and what is going to happen but other countries may be prepared for the worst. absolutely words matter but it is important in the world we live in now and not the diplomatic world that used to exist. the words do not just come through the embassy anymore. now they come through twitter, facebook. at the same time, we worry about president-elect trump's twitter account sometimes. theink we also understand
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apparatus of the united states government in diplomatic functions is quite wide, indeed and foreign-policy professionals understand this. they have to deal with leaders of other countries sending out twitter messages and sending out things that can be misconstrued. words matter, they come from so many different sources now that they take a different role. all of our media does. >> absolutely, that is why you will see different words come out of the white house then the campaign trail from here on out. generally, the question of beinga retreating versus a global actor or moral leader, i would argue that always focus on their own interest. all states always focus on their own interest. to dobate is not whether
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that or not, the debate is how to focus on its interest, how to actualize its interest. not just from the point of view of the american elite. is the military campaigns, is it done through diplomacy, or other ways. debate.strategic there is no debate in public discourse about america's role in the world in terms of the moral role. no debate about that. hillary, ittrump to has been united that we need to defend american interest, had we do that. if you ask iraqis or syrians or afghans, they would look at you strangely if you said america was the moral leader in the world. a divided country. half of the country once the u.s. troops to be there and have the country roughly once the
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u.s. troops to leave. and even now they want u.s. troops to stay there is there pragmatic reason why. civil warrt of the happening, ok? the worldthat part of thinks america is moral. that is something that is said here. >> i think this world without the u.s. leadership, the u.s. leadership of the world has you no sense world war ii, played such an important function in maintaining generally the absence of global war and if we look at the 1993 when the united kuwait, you know, iraq, imagine if the united states did not go in there and drive saddam hussein from kuwait. who would do that?

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