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mr. mccarthy: i read this every morning. i read it all the way through. you know why? might instagram pictures on. james: follow him. mr. mccarthy: no one does my instagram but me. if you like it, give him credit. if not, tell me to improve. james: thank you again. ♪ instagram but me.[captions copyl cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] >> senator bob corker met with
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president-elect donald trump at the trump tower in new york city. he chairs the senate foreign relations committee, has been mentioned as a possible paper secretary of state in the trump administration. >> it has been an honor to have the kind of meeting that i had today. ranging meeting, a couple meetings. policytincts on foreign are very, very good. he has the greatest opportunity in modern times to really andngthen our nation, security interests around the world and to help us, economically. again, i have enjoyed the opportunity to be here. it is an honor. ofre are a number
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outstanding individuals he has been talking with. i am glad to be here and glad to what his views on the world are. i think he will make a tremendous difference for our nation and for the world as our next president. >> [inaudible] sen. corker: say that again. >> [inaudible] again, i am here, and there are discussions underway about other things. this is a decision he needs to make. the state's role is so important, the need to choose someone that he is very comfortable with, that he knows there will be no daylight between he and him.
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they -- the secretary of state needs to speak fully for the president. i is an honor to be here, relish the role i have been able to play. anybody who feels that they can further our country's national interests around the world would obviously want to talk about that, and be honored to serve. >> [inaudible] sen. corker: we did not talk about that. we put together a very good and rapid team, put rapidly together. i think he will make the decision when he is comfortable. my sense is, he has narrowed it down to a very small group of people. again, a distinguished group of people. he has a choice to make, we feel more comfortable with.
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who can best serve our nation this capacity. >> senate judiciary committee chuck grassley met with senator jeff sessions, who is president-elect donald trump's pick to be attorney general. before the meeting, senator he expectsys confirmation hearings for senator sessions to be held before the inauguration. >> senator sessions, should people lose their citizenship for burning the flag? have someons: i things i'm going to talk to you about, i will start the conversation there. i am not going to do that in front of the cameras right now, but i do want to say that
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everybody on the judiciary committee knows senator sessions well. they know him to be an admirable man. they know him to be a man of integrity. and he knows the justice department well, not just from serving on the judiciary committee and having oversight and policy for that department as a senator, but he had a long relationship of the u.s. attorney in other positions within the department of justice. so, i think that knowing the department of justice and knowing senator sessions the way i do, we know that he is going to be an evenhanded enforcer of the law as the chief law enforcement officer of the federal government. another senator previously said he would get a fair hearing.
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it will probably be a tough hearing, as well. everyone expects when you're putting somebody in an important general,of attorney you want to make sure that all bases are covered. the standard procedure is, for the committee, to send all of our nominees the standard questionnaire. we have sent that to sen. sessions: read i urge you to return the as quickly as you can. when that questionnaire is , that will be at a time that we set a date for our hearing. we expect that to be before the inauguration for the reason that ,hat has been done in the past for the first term of obama it was done. it was done for ashcroft.
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for our clear precedent handling it that way. i believe that is all i have to say at this particular time. us, it isfor covering a very important position to be covering. you had a big turnout, thank you all for coming. we will start our meeting now. >> [indiscernible] >> come on, we have to clear the room. >> president-elect trump has chosen georgia congressman tom price to head up the department of health and human services. a last june, congressman price, who chairs the budget committee, talked about a republican plan for placing the affordable care act -- replacing the affordable
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care act. >> we are proposing a patient-centered solution for patients and doctors and decisions, note washington, d.c. the current path we are on has the majority of americans and huddled, if not outright opposed to the path we are on. it is important for us to ask the question why. why is that the majority of americans do not like the path we are on as it relates to health care? it is because it violates all the principles all of us hold dear when it comes to health care. we want a system that is accessible and affordable for everybody. highesta system of the quality, and a system that provides choices for the american people, for patients. now violatesre are those principles. what we put together is a patient-centered plan to respect those principles and allow everyone to have access to coverage, but access they want, not that the government forces them to buy.
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they will save hundreds of billions of dollars. a few specific examples i would like to share with you. the individual small group market, those of you who recognize or in that arena, you appreciate it has been destroyed. we want to reconstitute the market and make it responsive to patients and allow them to purchase the kind of coverage they want, not that the government forces them to buy. second, we waste hundreds of billions of dollars. billions of dollars, wasted, due to lawsuit abuse in this country. the practice of defensive medicine. and set of putting a band-aid on it we propose a bold and robust solution that would allow physicians, through practice guidelines, to have a safe harbor. if your doctor does the right thing, for a given set of symptoms and diagnosis, they ought to be able to use that as an affirmative defense in a court of law. that is a proposal we put forward. third, a health re system that works for patients is one that
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must respect the physician-patient relationship. we incentivize the highest quality of care without bureaucratic intervention. this plan right here puts forward common sense, positive medicaid for medicare, , and the larger health care arena, so that we respect the principles of accessibility, affordability, quality, and choices. i am so pleased to join my colleagues here to present this and i excited about the opportunity to move it forward. >> representative tom price, resume like donald trump's choice to be health and human services chair. he will talk about the federal budget process. ate coverage get started 3:00 p.m. eastern on c-span3. also watch it online at or listen to it online at the c-span radio app.
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>> new york times hosted a foreign today which we will bring you next on c-span. we will start with commerce pritzker and eric cantor. then we will hear from author and new york times columnist thomas freedom. later, former vice president al gore on the environment. >> i spent it we get west point, trying to understand how this 21st of 29 atshed west point, viewed as a historical intellectual he said it, and yet, must apologize, i spend all my time reading novels. dayunday night on you and -- q&a, his latest book, "the life of
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ulysses s. grant." he said to them, i look forward to the day when you can ride on a railroad car, eat in a restaurant, along with every other person, regardless of their race. that they must come. it took 90 years for that day to come. grant was the last american president to hold those kind of reviews. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern --"q&a." raqqa >> what they see happening under the incoming trump administration in areas of trade, health care, tax policy. this is part of a foreign with global business leaders and innovators, hosted by the new york times. me in welcoming
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penny pritzker, and eric cantor, former house majority leader, and our washington bureau chief, to the stage. [applause] ♪ >> good morning everyone. it looks like a classroom here. i thank you all for coming, thank you to secretary pritzker or, they need no introduction, as you have heard. was the firstzker member of the administration to go to cuba as i recall, after the opening. a very interesting trip. eric cantor, former house majority leader. start and then open up to
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questions after i asked a few. let me start about the business outlook, we do not know a great deal at this point. donald trump has told us, but we will try to find out for our experts. the first question i have is, before the election, most forecasters were predicting sluggish growth, including in the u.s.. but now everyone believes markets will pick up, given by the expectation that trump will reduce taxes, regulations, and increase infrastructure spending. so let me ask you, what do you think of that forecast, based on what you have heard from the president-elect so far? sec. pritzker: first of all, this morning we released a second estimate of gtb of 3.2% for the third quarter. gdp is doing pretty well right now.
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let's hope we do not do anything that takes us backward, let's forget the private sectors create about 15.5 million jobs. during the obama administration we have unemployment up 4.9%. we have people who are uninsured . moment where there is a good foundation to build upon, which i think is good. is, we are not seeing the kind of investment that we need in the united states. if the tax deal can get done where that encourages investment , brings corporate rates down so isare more competitive, that a positive opportunity and creates an opportunity with maybe a one-time tax on the $2.5 trillion outside the united states.
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so we can fund infrastructure -- i do not think it can fund $1 trillion of infrastructure, but perhaps several hundred billion dollars, which we need to be competitive. the other thing we cannot forget, which i think is a big thing from this election, the a norma's of anxiety among our people. us amount of anxiety among our people. what does life look like with globalization, automatic -- autonomous vehicles, the internet of things, impact the future of work? that is grading a lot of anxiety. bill,y, having a tax something our administration has tried to get done and not get it done with congress. hopefully those are positive
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things that help our economy. ms. bumiller: let me turn to you on the tax bill. reporters has an interesting story this morning about a reality check on that tax cuts and infrastructure spending and what is likely to happen in congress. taxpoints out that trump's cuts and spending policies would add over $5 trillion to the federal deficit over 10 years to read -- years. a $12 trillion difference. what is the reality to these tax cuts? think we are in a new reality now, if i can pick up where penny was going in terms of lacking confidence and the anxiety out there, i do think the context within this new administration comes to the table is one after an election that i think was largely thatenced by the fact growth in this country has slowed over time.
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as we know, the country was used to, 470, almost 80 years post-world war, 3.2% growth. given the size of our economy, a size of our economy, a reduction in that to barely 2% annual growth is a lot of absolute dollars and has a lot of absolute impact on people's job opportunities and outlook. within ihe context think trump comes to the table. he has already said growth will be number one priority. elizabeth, you talk about the tax reform. i think regulatory reform, the president-elect authority said, he has tasked his transition team with the kind of executive toers that will be necessary send a signal that the regulatory burden will be examined and lifted after a cost-benefit analysis, doing too
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much to aggravate the outlook for investment. as penny said, it has been suffering of late. in terms of tax plans, you do not know. the great majority of trump's plan has not been there. is to look at another plan put forward by the house republicans, and speaker paul ryan. they been working on that for a long time. the foundation of this tax reform plan was in place when i was there and before. this country has not seen tax reform since 1986, the likes of which we are looking to see happen. you have united washingtonyou hn january 2017. i believe that signals that things will get better. ms. bumiller: what happens on the hill? is mike pence going to be the liaison, is he going to let the house -- is he going to let
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congress drive this? or will we have a white house push? mr. cantor: as we all know, the system designed by the framers of the constitution was one of checks and balances. they will be influenced by this process. obviously influenced by the congress and white house. house during the bush administration, when republicans ran the town. the influence of a strong white the capitalced gains tax reduction that produce the repatriation holiday that occurred in early 2003 or 2004. you do not know how it will all play out. but the strong figures in the house, working on tax reform for a long time. mike pence was there for 12 years, he was part of the discussion. listen, this is a town where our
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government works. .hen it is unified i thought in 2009 in 2010 when obama came in and the democrats controlled the town. obamacare, thet stimulus bill. so i think you will see a lot of activity in the next year. ms. bumiller: let me turn to trade. did advocates portray -- the public sentiment turned so strongly against trade, can anything be done to rebuild this incentive for global uneconomic it -- engagement around the world? sec. pritzker: let's think about trade. the united states is only 5% of the world market. around theomers are united states.
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we have to trade with the rest of the world. think what has happened in the rhetoric is the conflation of trade and trade agreements with issues of globalization, the status of the individual and their ability to compete, automation, digitization. we need trade agreements. trade agreements are how you shape the rules of trade. and they are very important. wastrade agreement that negotiated, the transpacific partnership, tried to protect american labor by raising labor standards outside the united by raising environmental standards outside the united states, helping small businesses by clarifying their rules. making sure e-commerce could flow and data could flow easily. terroristsg 18,000 tariffs throughout the
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region. china has publicly announced it will do its own multilateral trade agreement. they will use their one vote, one road program to consolidate asia into an economic territory that does not include the united states. that is not good for american businesses. it is not good for global businesses. what the next administration does, beyond just say no, i do not know. it is not a path forward that is sustainable for job creation both here and in the united states, as well as economic growth here. ms. bumiller: your take on that? mr. cantor: i have been a free trader and someone who supports trade deals in the past. party, the party that has carried the free trade agenda over the years, has now found itself in a new position, given
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the white house and a president-elect that had been very hostile to tpp in particular. but trump says he was to put jobs first. it will be much about trying to protect american employers, and boosting the business environment here at home so we can attract more jobs first. investment. some reports have indicated the will openelect bilateral negotiations between individual countries. a lot ofhe tpp, countries have been subject to its negotiations. clearly a lot more room to go in and bilaterally negotiated. the impact regionally may not be had the way tpp prospect for u.s. influence in asia to manifest itself. so we will see.
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but the trump administration and american jobs first. back to the issue of tax reform, one of the underlying debates right now has to do with international tax reform. how do we go in and position the a destination for multinational corporations so we for thingsthe senate like that? is aboutdiscussion this border adjustment tax, how we will treat imports. i know many of the luxury brand if you have manufacturing facilities overseas and are now looking to see what will happen with imports in this country, that is a very important debate. the disadvantage we feel now could be rectified by an adjusted tax, does not mean good things for retailers here.
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the borderer: adjusted tax will lead to retaliation. president-elect trump putting attacks on china and goods from that could lead to a fallen gdp by 4% to 5%, that will lose 7 million jobs. it will also increase unemployment is somewhere around 9.5%. that is not good for america, either. spoken -- the chinese were here last week. they basically said, do you think that will happen? you know what we will have to do? we will have to retaliate. it wasnot vitriolic, like, you will force us to take those positions. we cannot act unilaterally and expect there will be no reaction. ms. bumiller: should the u.s.
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get into a trade confrontation with china at a time if it needs china to help with north korea? and it helps north korea slowdown. did you raise that with of the chinese? sec. pritzker: look, the challenge we have our rtwo -- different systems. china is controlled from the center, with state-owned enterprises, and industrial policy. in the united states we have a free-flowing policy and set of rules and regulations that allow much more flexibility. we're trying to mesh those two systems, the two largest economies to work and lead. difficult to come to consensus when you come at the
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issue of the economy from such different positions. we have worked very hard, a strategic and economic dialogue, working through president obama on trying to address these economic issues. but it is a real challenge because of the difference in the way we approach how the economy functions, a very basic level. that has led to real challenges. take for example fielded dumping. we had to have a huge increase in and -- enforcement, with the chinese dumping steel. we have now seen a bottoming out of that and we are seeing job in price growth again in steel. but we have a significant problem and the world is trying to say to china, you cannot do this.
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you cannot just dump it around the world because it is upsetting the global equilibrium. the other approaches with the new administration, i do not know. but it is a complicated balance. you have to think about what reactions we can tolerate. think what we have seen thus far from the campaign and the newly elected president-elect and his team is, a lot of the rhetoric, his twitter traffic, a lot of the language, that has an impact for sure. but when you look at what he is you look at the picks and the cabinet so far, like nikki haley for u.n. ambassador rice. this morning, tom price for secretary of health and human services. these are mainstream republican conservative individuals that extreme less in the
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than perhaps some of the rhetoric surrounding donald trump has been. so we will have to watch to see. no question he has tried' in a , do we want to pick a fight with china right now given its importance with north korea, i am sure that if you ask, they do not want to engender some type or big conflict. . hasgain, his whole m.o been, i want to get a better deal for the american people. that means we will be strong again. we just do not know, there is not a lot of certainty. when you are looking at this, that adds to the risk right now. see, come the first 100 days, we will have a better idea.
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>> let me follow up on tom price. he would drastically change the affordable care act. there were be less people insured, i assume you would agree with that. it would be much reduced. some of the 20 million would lose health insurance. can you explain how that would work? how that would be good for business? i am not so sure you can assume that. obamacare was constructed in its design of a mandate from washington, and once washington require the purchase of health care insurance, there necessarily came the definition of what compliance was. that had driven up the cost, which then required a subsidy in order to pay for the subsidies for the imposition of all the obamacare taxes. that is what will go away. what will come in place -- what
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you will see repealed are the exchanges, the mandate. is going to be a system that is much more focused on the private sector, and in fact, for those people who have obamacare insurance is going toa now, will a likely, if you look at the plans that are out there, whether it vehicle he has's worked on for six years, you will see a workaround in terms of getting affordable tax credits and ensuring that provisions like never denying anyone for pre-consist -- pre-existing conditions is entirely valid. in fact, the way you "pay for extended coverage in existence now, the way you pay for it in the new regime without byandate is you pay for it limiting and capping employer
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exclusion of health care benefits. >> have you reduce? what does it mean for change? florida last week talking to big trump supporters, saying they really liked the affordable care act and did not want to take it away. i think even trump himself said there are provisions in obamacare, i am never denying anyone coverage for pre-existing conditions, or allowing 26-year-olds to stay on their parents plans. is going to be a very complicated discussion. mccarthy, myin successor as majority leader just say on the news this morning, that obamacare repeal will be first up in this new
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congress. so you repeal obamacare, what happens to 20 million people on obamacare? mr. cantor: the details have yet to be realized. because, when is the effective date? and what is the requirement to replace it? that is a debate that is ongoing. place -- thato can only happen if the senate has the reconciliation process to benefit from, thereby reducing the voting threshold. we have to see what congress does. predictions that people will lose health care, this will be a different kind of health care. i think that obamacare on the results of this have never lived
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that was promise given. we can see a congress that will unite around replacing it any meaningful way. ms. bumiller: let me ask one more question about iran. if the u.s. walks away from the iran deal, which trump has threatened to do, what other signatory would do? would they ignore that? what they make any imposition of u.s. sanctions meaningless? and what would be the global economic consequences? all, iitzker: first of do not know how the rest of the world reacts. but it seems to me that one of the most important players is israel. positions come to a
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that there is definitely benefits from the deal, that is one thing to keep in mind. i have no idea how this plays out. is not an our portfolio of things we focus on. seen.ains to be back and look at this notion of disengagement around the world, we have to think about, what are the long-term implications of the united states taking positions that are interpreted as either protectionism orabout disengage? and is that good for the u.s., in terms of the worker, our , and ourur economy national security? ms. bumiller: any response to that? sec. pritzker: i was in the middle east last week, both in israel and the gulf.
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i can tell you, there was a lot of discomfort with this administration in terms of its iran policy. allies as well as israel. they were taken aback by what this administration did with the regime in iran. there was trust toward the team in tehran. if you talk to the prime minister in israel or government and other areas of the gulf. when trump comes in and says he will rebut the agreement, i am reminded of the peter teel quote from the republican national convention in cleveland when he to think aboutnt not taking trump literally, but taking them seriously. --hink this arid of that is, i think the spirit of it. there will be a lot of pressure from american business.
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i am sure any of you in the room are based here. if you saw the house last week, when around passing the iran sanctions act. diminution ofny the force, forcing iran to abide by its commitment to get rid of its nuclear capabilities. there is enough in the agreement in terms of enforcement consequences that i think trump arrive at a de facto ripping up of the to expose that iran has not been in compliance. we will see if he is using that or a frontal attack on the agreement. ms. bumiller: and with that, any questions from the audience? here, and if you can identify yourself and wait for the microphone, thank you.
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>> i live in london, but i am french. policy will stop inflation? that would have consequences on the heavy debt around the world. we are not really seeing inflation right now, growing dramatically. is, you can paint a scenario where you can see inflation growing. but with the dollar becoming stronger, it is putting a check on inflation here in the united states. because it makes imports more and is having a challenge for u.s. competitiveness.
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you could imagine if we go and believe in our deficits and overcommit, in terms of expenditures, that you could have an inflationary environment. i think that is why you see the fed looking to become more active. but it is something to think is beingthe policy formed as to how inflationary it will be. ms. bumiller: anyone else? here in the second row. >> i have a question to mr. cantor. i do not live in this country -- but over the last few years, america has lost its power in the world and ability to influence. part, trump said he would tear up trade treaties,
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the iran treaty, walk away from everything which engages the united states to the rest of the world. do think that will increase american power or reduce it? mr. cantor: i go back to my maxim, watch what he does, do not necessarily listen to what he says. i believe it goes back to trying to get a better deal for the people of this country. i am not so sure that you can take at face value the statement that he will rip it up. he will focus inward. these deals give him an opportunity to demonstrate that he is a negotiator. written -- i am not so the luxury ofave turning his back. what i have heard from businesses and governments around the world is, over the
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last several years, there have been questions about america's commitment. when you have something like sequestration in place that limits the defense expenditures and you talk to government and citizens in asia who keep reading and hearing about the u.s. pivot to asia, how do you reckon -- reconcile those two? defense,t increasing but we will be a counterbalance to the aggressive posture of china -- how does that reconcile? to say not be so quick that you can dismiss america's role, or say that we would put domestic issues forward. because we are global now. --live in an internet interconnected world. arthur, hello.
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>> thank you both for being here, i appreciate that very much. mr. cantor, a question for you. a few months ago, in february or march i was at an event that arthur brooks held. if you recall, the spirit, there is a feeling there was no way that donald trump would become president. now, the press got this wrong, we have owned that. we clearly were out of touch with what happened. but so the republican party, in a major way. i was hoping you might help us understand that a bit. i have gone this wrong all year, two years. push --chair for jet
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jeb bush. i thought he would be the candidate and win the election. i was wrong, as well. had anonal story, i unscheduled departure from chapel hill and was defeated in the primary by an unknown. and frankly, that unknown was -- supported by the democratic party. one third of my primary election was by crossover votes because that day there was no democratic primary. virginia allows for the crossover vote. i was as surprised as any. beginning ofs the what we saw manifest itself in this election. huge was and still is a
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swath of people in this country that feel anxiety and are fed up. they are fed up in a variety of ways. i know you have heard about the mainstream media and people always being told they are wrong. but i think it goes back to the economics, and the lack of opportunity. my party did not get that, either. i have always said, we have had difficulty trying to connect the policies of a free trade, the policies of the new 21st century, digital economy. how does that benefit a lot of people out there who just do not have the skills necessary to meet the demands of the economy? mom do we say to the single in eastern kentucky when she
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does not have good job prospects? partiesty says -- both said, we will impose trade adjustments and pass the free trade agreement, and here is a little money. that does not cut it. we did not have the answers for those people. the democratic party did not have the answers. this will be the biggest challenge for the country, going forward. mr. trump has presented himself as that leader that reflects this demographic and a large part of the country. so we will see. sec. pritzker: i have one comment. first of all, we need to double down on things that do work for people. it is about people. one of the biggest challenges we have is, americans are unhappy. angryhe electorate was and half was scared.
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i think we are going through a massive change, you can see it in your own industry, we are going for a massive change in our society, affected by globalization and optimization -- automation and digitization. our people feel there is a confidence in their ability to gain opportunity, support their some modestd have aspect of the american dream. right now people do not feel that and we do not have a system that is coordinated in a way to be able to put that together. we do have programs that do positive things that we should double down on. whether that is apprenticeships or advanced manufacturing. we need to paint a picture, what are we doing in various communities?
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that is world communities, or communities like the southside of chicago where there should be job prospects. i do not think either party answer that question. that will be elated the feet of the next administration. i want to see a congress that works. i am tired of everybody bickering and nothing getting done. ms. bumiller: thank you both, thank you to the audience. [applause] >> more now from a global business leaders and innovators forum, hosted by the new york times. freedom --homas friedman talks about advances in technology and how humans can adapt to these changes. ♪ tom: thank you. great to be here this morning. what a treat. i'm going to try to in 20 minutes summarize the book you have next to you.
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my latest book came out called "thank you for being late." and optimist guide to thriving in the age of acceleration. first question people have is where from the title, thank you for being late? that comes from meeting people as i did this morning in washington, d.c., over the years for breakfast. i don't like to waste breakfast eating alone when i can learn from someone. once in a while someone will show up 10 to 20 minutes late tom, i'm sorry, weather, subway, the dog ate the homework. one morning i spontaneously said to one of them, ray, thank you for being late. because you were late i have actually been eavesdropping on their conversations. i have been people watching in the lobby. fantastic. most importantly i just connected to ideas i had been struggling for months. so thank you for being late. people started to get into it. they say, well, you're welcome.
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as they understood i was giving them permission to pause, to slow down, to reflect. one of my favorite quotes in the first chapter of the book is from my friend who says, when you press the pause button on a computer, it stops. but when you press the pause button on the human being, it starts. it starts to reflect. rethink, and re-imagine. i think we have a lot of that to do right now. now, the book was actually inspired because i paused to engage with someone who i normally wouldn't have. i live in bethesda, maryland. i take the subway to work. about once a week. about three years ago i did that. i drive to the bethesda hiatt, park in the public parking garage, and i take the red line into d.c. i did that three years ago. i spent the day, worked, got my car, time stamped my ticket, got
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to the booth and the ticket, he looks at it and looks at me and says i know who you are. great. he said i read your column. i said great. he said i don't always agree. , i thought, get me out of here. but i said, well, that means you have to check. and i drove off. a week later, to my weekly trip into d.c., back, car, time stamp ticket. cashier's booth. the same guy is there. this time he says, mr. friedman, i have my own blog. would you read my blog? i thought, oh, my god. the parking guy is now my competitor. what just happened? i said write it down for me. he wrote it down. it was on a piece of receipt paper. i went home. he was ethiopian. wrote about ethiopian politics. i thought about him for a couple days and decided this is a sign
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, from god. i should actually pause and interact with this guy. but i didn't have his email. the only way i could do it was park in the parking garage every day. i did that for four days. we finally overlapped again in the morning. i stopped my car in the gate. i said i have your email. i had his name. he happily gave it to me. that night i sent him an email. i repeat all the emails exchange in the front of the book. they are quite funny. i said i have a proposition for you. i will teach you how to write a column if you will tell me your life story. and he basically said, i see you are proposing a deal. i like this deal. so he asked that we meet at peet's coffeehouse in bethesda near his office. and we did that two weeks later. i presented him with a six-page memo on how to write a column. first time i put it all together in this way. he told me his life story. i'll leave his story aside. you can read it in the book. what i explained in my memo is
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that a news story is meant to inform. it can do so better or worse. like a news story about this event. a column is meant to provoke. i'm either in the heating business or the lighting business. that's what i do. i either do heating or lighting. either stoking up an emotion or illuminating something for you. ideally if do i both together, i will produce one of several reactions that tell me i produce either stoking up anheat or li. you will read my column and say i didn't know that, i never looked at it that way, i never connected those things. that is my favorite, i live for this you said exactly what i , felt but did not know what to say. god bless you. i want to kill you dead, you and all your off spring. any of those will tell me that i produced heat or light. but to do that requires actually a chemical reaction. you have to combine three compounds. the first is what is your value set? what is the world view you are trying to promote? communist, capitalist, neocon,
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neoliberal keynesian, , libertarian? second, how do you think the machine works? the machine is my short-hand, but what are the biggest forces shaping more things and more places in more ways and more days? i'm always carrying around in my head a working hypothesis of how the machine works. once i call the lexus neurology. this book is about the latest iteration. what i'm trying to do as a columnist is take my value set and push that machine. if i don't know how it works or -- i won't push it or push it in the wrong direction. lastly, ray alluded to this, what have you learned about the people and culture? there is no column without people. how the machine affect people and culture and how the people in culture affects the machine or vice versa. mix those together. stir, let it rise for 45 minutes and bake. if you do it right you'll , produce a column that produces emotions. i had three sessions at the coffeehouse explaining this to
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him three years ago. by the end i started to say to my wife and myself, what's my value set? i'm not really republican or democrat. i'm very eclectic in my views. where did it come from? how do i think the machine works today, and what have i learned about people? i decided that was the book i wanted to write. that's the book you have next to you. so let me just focus on one aspect of it. how i think the machine works because that's the fly wheel that's driving everything. i think that what's shaping more things in more places in more ways on more days is we're currently in the middle of three, three nonlinear accelerations, all at the same time, with the three largest forces on the planet which i call the market, mother nature, and moore's law. moore's law, microchips will double every 24 months. now it's closer to 30. never mind.
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that's an exponential that has actually held up for over 50 years. if you put it on a graph, looks like a hockey stick. mother nature for me is climate change, biodiversity, population, put it on a graph, looks like a hockey stick. the market is digital globalization. not your grandfather's globalization. not containers on ships, that's going down. but what is exploding is the fact that everything is now being digitized and globalized through twitter, facebook, pay pal, instagram. put it on a graph it looks like a hockey stick. we're in the middle of three hockey stick accelerations all at the same time in the three largest forces on the planet and they are interacting with one another. more moore's law drives globalization which drives climate change and solutions. the argument of the book is these accelerations and their interactions are not just
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changing your world it's , fundamentally reshaping it. it is receiving five rounds politics, your politics, ethics, , the workplace, and community. first part of the book is about the accelerations. the second part is about the reshaping. let me just talk quickly about this flywheel, the one ray alluded to, in technology. my chapter on this is called, what the hell happened in 2007? 2007. that's an innocuous year. what is this guy talking about? here's what happened in 2007. in 2007 at the moscone he center in san francisco, steve jobs introduced the iphone. he set us on a path putting a internet-enabled computer in the hand of every person on the planet. that's not all that happened in 2007. 2007, facebook came out of high schools and universities and made available to anyone with an email address.
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it went global. late, 2006. in 2007, a company called twitter, which was founded in 2006, went global. 2007, the most important software you've never heard of called hadu, which basically has formed the basis for big data, enabling a million computers to work as one computer, opened its doors and launched its software. in 2007, the second most important company you never heard of, bithub opened its doors. now the world's largest repository of open source software and growing at incredible clip. in 2007, google, put out a new operating system called android. 2007, google bought a company called youtube. in 2007, jeff bezos came out with something called the kindle. in 2007, i.b.m. started a cognitive computer called watson.
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in 2005, michael dell retired. he had enough. in 2007, he came back to work. he realized what had happened around him. ever seen a graph of the cost of sequencing a human genome? sorry, go back one. there it is. here's a graph of the -- starts at $100 million in 2001. the sequence one human genome. you notice a waterfall there? in 2007, the price begins to collapse and take us toward basically $1,200. from $100 million. 2007 was the pivotal year. 2007 the growth of solar power begins. 2007 also we saw the first
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emergence of a process called fracking. and the combination of gps and big data. this is the cost of generating megabit of data anti-speed with and the speed with which we can transmit it. this is the foundation of social networking. notice when the lines cross. right around 2008. the price collapse and the speed took off right around this is 2008. moore's law. this is called computing. let's see, when did cog computing start? well, the first time we detect is in 2008. in other words, it started in 2007. what happened in 2007, friends, i think will be understood in times as the inflection point since the printing press and we
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completely missed it because of 2008. what happened in 2007 is our physical technologies just took off like we were on a moving sidewalk in an airport that suddenly went from 5-miles-an-hour to 50,000 miles an hour. we literally felt the ground moving from our feet and 2008 happened and all the social technologies we needed to go along with the learning, the adaptive mechanisms, the management systems, the regulation and deregulation all froze and we've been living in that area. this is one who runs google x just did on the back of an
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i.b.m. sticky for me, and it describes in brief where we are. the blue line is the average rate in which societies and human beings adapt to human change over time. it has a positive slope but it's gradual. the white line is technology. let's call that moore's law. if you lived in the 11th century or 12th century, life really didn't change. but then we got galileo and copernicus and said we are here. we are at a point where technology is evolving faster than the average human being and society can adapt. our challenge? this is what politics is going to be about, is that dotted line. how do we learn faster and govern smarter in order to get more people at the rate of change of technology to be able to adapt? what actually happened between 2007 was this -- around the year 2000 there was a massive price collapse in the
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price of connectivity. it happened to do with the dot-com boom and bust. we accidentally made connectivity basically free. because we collapsed the price of fiber-optic cable. and i came along at that point and wrote a book about it. it's called "the world is flat"" i said, wow, i can now touch people i never touched before and i can be touched by people who never touched me before. what happened in 2007 was another price collapse. it was in the price of compute and storage, by being able to link all these computers together to be able to operate as one. and what that did is made complexity. think about what it was to get a taxi five years ago and what is today on your cell phone. with one touch you can get a taxi, pay the taxi, direct the taxi and rate the taxi. all that complexity has been basically abstracted away and reduced to touch. that's happening everywhere in the economy.
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we are putting grease into everything by making complexity free and by making everything lighter and everything to move. now, when you make connectivity fast, free and easy to use and you make complexity fast, free, easy for you and invisible and you put them two together, you have the cloud. but i never use the term cloud in my book. don't like that word because it sounds so soft, so cuddly, so fluffy. sounds like a joanie mitchell song. cloudsk at sides ♪h
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this ain't no cloud, folks. this is a supernova. it's the largest force of nature. it's the explosion of a star, only this is an ever-accelerating supernova and it's the energy source driving everything. where did you want to build your town in the middle ages? you wanted to build them on the river. why? because that river gave you power, transportation, food and ideas. you wanted to build your town on the amazon. where do you want to build your town today? on you want to build it on this cloud which is now the energy source for all of these things. and what this energy source has done in a very rapid succession has changed four kinds of power. it changed the power of one while what one person can do now, make things or break things. we have a president-elect that sits in his penthouse and on his cell phone communicates with literally billions of people at any second he feels like it. it's changed the power of machines. machines can now think. they're basically all five senses. it's changing the power of ideas. ideas now flow at a rate we've
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never seen before. five years ago barack obama said marriage was between a man and a woman. today barack obama said marriage is between any two human beings who loves one another and he's following ireland in that position. ideas now flow and melt away at a rate we've never seen before. and lastly it's changed the power of many. we as a collective are now a force of and in nature. in fact, we have a geophysical era being named after us, the anthropcy. the argument of my book is this is not just reshaping things, it's not changing things, it's reshaping things. it's reshaping these five realms. let me talk briefly about two of them. my chapter on the workplace, how
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it's being reshaped, because i know it's central to all of you is called how we turn a.i. into i.a. how do we take artificial intelligence and turn it into intelligent assistance, a-n-c-e, intelligent assistant, a-n-t. so my example of intelligent assistance is i profile the human resources department at at&t. at&t, 360,000 employees. they live next to the supernova. they feel its heat every day. their human resources department pretty good chance what they're doing is going to come to a company near you. here's what they do. randall stevenson, their c.e.o., begins with a speech transparent how he sees the world, what businesses they will be in and what skills at&t employees are going to need. then they put every at&t employee on their own in-house linked in system. and they look at it and they say, tom, can you -- you got 10 -- seven of the 10 skills you need to thrive here at at&t but you're missing three. then they partner with sebastian
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from wadacity to create in an owe degrees for all 10 of those skills and they say we'll give you up to $8500 to take the classes for the skill sets you're missing with one condition. you have to take them on your own time. our bargain with you is if you take those courses when these jobs open you'll get the first crack at them. we won't go outside. if you're not interested, if you climbed up one too many telephone poles, we have a wonderful severance package for you but you won't be working at at&t. their social contract with their employees, which i think is the social contract coming to a neighborhood near you, is you can be a life-long employee at at&t but only if you're a life-long learner and that is the new social contract. alluding to what the secretary of commerce said, this is hard for people. now will now be more on. now will now be on you and that's why self-motivation, grit will be so much more important. intelligent assistant, qualcomm,
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another company, they made a cell phone. qualcomm has a campus in san diego. they have 64 buildings. two years ago they wired, they put sensors on every building, every door, window, hvac system, computer, sink, faucet. they have sensors on everything. they beam all that data up to the cloud and they beam it down on a dashboard to their janitors who now walk around with an intelligent assistant. they know if you left your computer on, they know if they left your door open, they know if you set the temperature too high. swipe down is where the maintenance can be found and the whole repair manual. their janitors now give tours to foreign visitors. they are maintenance technologists with an intelligent assistant, they've been able to live above the line. intelligent algorithm, that's the partnership between the
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college board and conn academy. so you all look roughly my age. i'm 63. some older, some younger. 11th grade, psat exam and then the sat. you went out and hired a tutor because you were not sure your kid could get into college and at $200 a crack you had to pay some knuckle head to help your kid in algebra and calculus and writing. if you are from a disadvantaged family or neighborhood you are computely behind the 8-ball. so two years ago, the college board partnered to develop a program for free s.a.t. prep. works like this. in 11th grade you get the psat. they say, tom, you're really good. you did good. but you have a problem with fractions and right angles.
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then it takes me directly to an academy site devoted just to the fractions and right angle problems i missed. if i do well it takes me another site that suggests maybe i can do a.p. math in 12th grade. if do i well it takes me to another site that offers 200 scholarships. last year 200 million kids availed themselves of free s.a.t. prep of this intelligent algorithm and this is going on in so many other ways throughout the work force today. so that's just an example of how people are dealing with it in the workplace. let me close and be able to take one or two questions by talking about how ethics are being reshaped by these accelerations which i think not only is much more important issue than you think, but in this election we hit an ethical tipping point.
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so the chapters is called "is god in cyberspace"? it comes from the best question, 1999, i'm selling, man stands up in the balcony and says, i have a question. is god in cyberspace? i thought, ah, i don't know. and i felt like a complete idiot. so i went home and i called my rabbi, my spiritual teacher. he's living in amsterdam. i got to know him at the hartman institute when i was a correspondent in jerusalem. he's a dutch priest. i called him in amsterdam and said, steve, i have a question i never answered before. is god in cyberspace? what should i have said? he said, well, tom, in our faith tradition we have two concepts of the almighty one is he's almighty. we have a postbiblical concept.
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it's almighty is almighty. he smites evil and shows god. cyberspace has gambling, pornography, misleading fake news. but he said we have a postbibilical view of god and the postbiblical view of god and that is god manifests himself how we behave. if you want god to be in cyberspace, we have to bring him there by how we behave there. well, i took his answer and i put it into the paper book edition of the book and i completely forgot about it for 20 years. started working on this book and i found myself telling that story over and over. i finally sat myself down and said, why are you retelling that story? and it quickly became obvious. it's because everything is now moving to cyberspace where we learn, where we reach our readers, where we find a partner for life, where we do our business, where we communicate.
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everything is moving into a realm where we're all connected but no one's in charge. so the first phase of this was kind of cool. look at me. i'm my own publisher. look at me. i'm my own journalist. look at me, i'm my own political fundraiser. it all felt really cool and new. and then in this election, we hit a critical mass. look at me, i can make up the news. what was the word of the year by the oxnard english dictionary that came out last week? post-truth. all our lives are now moving into a realm where we're all connected but no one's in charge. oh, mark zuckerberg's got an answer. the algorithm will do it.
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really? i tell the story in the book of how youtube was running miller beer ads on isis videos. and you know who is doing that? the algorithm was doing that. we are turning over to the algorithm value decisions that only belong to human beings. zuckerberg, he wants our advertisers. he wants our readers. this is one thing he doesn't want to pay for, our editors. he's going to let the algorithm do that.
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well, we saw in this election what happens when this reaches scale. so what is this chapter about? it's about the fact we've just reached a moral intersection we have never stood at before as a human species. in 1945, we entered a world where one country could kill all of us. it had to be one country. i'm glad it was mine. post-hiroshima. i believe we are entering a world where one person can kill all of us and all of us could fix everything. we've actually never stood at this intersection where one of us could kill all of us and all of us is if we put our minds to it with these amazingly amplified technologies, we can feed, house, clothe, educate every person on the planet. therefore, what? therefore, we've actually never been more god-like as a species. and if we're going to be god-like, we better have the golden rule. and the golden rule better scale to everyone. i gave the commencement address this year at olin college of engineering in massachusetts and this was the theme of my talk. at this point i said to the parents in the audience.
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i know what you're thinking. you paid 200 grand so your kid could get the engineering degree and there is a knucklehead up there telling you what's really important is, did they learn the golden rule? is there anything more naive? and my answer is, in the age of naivete is the new realism. naivete is the new realism. i will tell you what's really naive. thinking in the world of this much amplified power we're going to be ok if everyone doesn't get the golden rule. where does the golden rule come from? it comes from strong families and healthy communities.
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don't know much about -- i'm not an expert on strong families but i happened to grow up in a healthy community. and the last part of my book and that's where my values came from and that's the small town/suburb in minnesota where i grew up and my argument is it's the healthy community that's going to be the political building block of the 21th century. not the single family, too weak. especially too many single parents. it's going to be the healthy community. so let me just conclude by saying my book has a theme song. i thought about buying it. so you'd open the book, it would play this song like a hallmark card plays "happy birthday." it's by one of my favorite singers, brandi carlile. it's called " the eye." e-y-e. i wrapped your love around me like a chain but i was never afraid it would die. you can dance in a hurricane but only if you're standing in the eye. i believe these three accelerations are like a hurricane. donald trump was selling a wall. i'm selling an eye. i think the eye is the healthy community that can move with the storm, draw energy from it but provide a platform of dynamic stability within it where people can feel connected, protected
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and respected. i believe politics in the next four years is going to be a gigantic clash between the wall people and the eye people. thank you very much. [applause] thank you, thank you. i guess i have time for two questions. yes, please. >> hi. i'm jose. i run a tech business. [inaudible] and i absolutely -- mind-blowing and really an eye opener and i couldn't agree more. what strikes me is was written learning faster and governing smarter. we never had as much access to
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information as we have today. google's topnd -- mistaken,, if i'm not "what ise.u." and brexit?". we are living in the world where people learn fast and governments to govern smarter. it seems to me that what happened is that intersection you have there, human beings do what we all do when we have -- when we don't understand something, when we fear something, we regress. thomas: yes. >> so my question is, how can we go back and, you know, [inaudible] how can we all in this room help
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in that journey? because we need an effort from all of us. thomas: thank you. it's a very important question. i will tell you i don't have a simple answer. book harder on this than i've ever worked on any other book. this book took me longer. my publisher let me go to one column a week. i couldn't have done it otherwise. i had some really unusual experiences writing the book. the first was an experience i never had before. i felt like i had a butterfly net and i was chasing a butterfly and every time i got close to write that chapter it moved. so i had to call brian krzanich, the c.e.o. of intel, three times in the writing of the book to just make sure that what he told me six months ago still applied. doug cutting, the founder of hadoop, i talked to him at least six times during the writing of the book. right until the last week i sent his chapter. make sure it's up to date. so part of the answer is, i don't know what donald trump's
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been doing over the last few years or hillary clinton. i didn't tell you about the environmental part or globalization part. resilience institute at stockholm. i spent three years trying to connect these dots, this really hard work. the world is a big data set for me and this book is my algorithm, basically to explain it and you have to be constantly refreshing it. so it really puts such a premium on leadership that can -- i'm doing life-long learning. i'm a columnist at the "times." if i am not a lifelong lerner, -- learner, my readers will go somewhere else. this book was one giant survival to me. everybody's got to do that. and then to help people navigate it and what happened around brexit is we saw the anti-brexit just like hillary clinton used fear, you know, rather than explaining to people what world we're in, what the connections are, here's the upside and here's the downside.
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now, again, ray alluded to this. i profile in the book so i grew up in a freaky suburb, town of minneapolis called st. louis park where i went -- lived in the same neighborhood with the peggy, alers, franken, alan wiseman. we all went to the same high school and hebrew school. it was not a neighborhood in the upper west side. it was a little side in minnesota. the movie "the serious man" by about ourbrothers was neighborhood. what was going on there?
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basically what happened in minnesota was that in the 1940's, all the jews lived in the north side of minneapolis with the african-american community. it was a ghetto in mid 1950's, the world opened up to the jews and they all move in a space of three years to one neighborhood. the only one that didn't have red lining, st. louis park. that's how we all ended up. so overnight a suburb that was 100% protestant catholic, scandinavian, became 20% jewish, protestant. if finland and israel had a baby it would be st. louis park, ok, and it produces this incredible and of jewish neuroses scandinavian pluralism and decency and really launched a lot of us into the world and shaped all our fathers who are actual communitarians in our own way. i have a congressman from minnesota and this is partly an introduction to that, who said know, growing up in
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minnesota in the 1950's, 1960's, 1970's if you're average white male with an average college degree, in the 1960's in 1970's, in minnesota you needed a plan to fail. you actually had to have a plan to fail because there was so much wind at our back, so many blue-collar jobs that allowed you to have high wages for middle skills. my uncle who only had a high school degree worked at a bank. that you needed to have a plan to fail. all of that changes today. today you need a plan to succeed. and you need to update that plan every six months. big fan of hoffman's book "startup of you" because it's all about how now more is on you. and that is the scariest thing for so many people. the government can't do it for you. you know, you got to do it yourself. and telling people that fundamental truth, well, nobody did it in this campaign. donald trump blamed somebody. hillary clinton blamed somebody. but more will be on you to be that life-long learner and to take ownership of that responsibility.
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ownership is the most important word in the english language. when a student owns their own education, when a teacher owns their classroom, when citizens feel they own their country, you get self-sustaining, self-propulsion. when they don't, when they're waiting for somebody else, you get hammered. when the world is this fast -- i'll just end with my favorite quote in the book. it's from john kelly who ran the watson project and i spent a lot of time with their team. john said, you know -- said to me one day, you know, tom, when you buy a new car, it always comes with a sticker on the rear-view mirror that says object in your rear view may be closer than they appear. that actually belongs on the front. it's what's coming at us that is actually closer than it appears. and therefore the premium on learning and relearning and for the premium on leaders, business leaders or political leaders who can navigate for us is higher and higher than ever.
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last quote, second favorite quote in the book from our surgeon general. indian american married to a chinese american, only in america. i asked him and said what's the most prevalent disease in america? is it cancer or heart disease or diabetes? he said, none of those. isolation. single most prevalent disease in america is isolation. well, think about that. we live in the most connected age and the surgeon general says the biggest disease crisis in this country is people feeling disconnected. the aren't connected and are disconnected and that's what this election was all about.
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thank you very much. [applause] >> ok. announcer: former vice president al gore at the global leaders conference. ♪ mr. gore: well, i'm here. -- host: well, i'm here. what a thrill for me to interview him. mr. gore: thank you. host: i would like to start with if you would give is just a kind of audit.
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administration. it feels like a difficult time. mr. gore: you think? mr. friedman: i would like for you to share with our audience, where are we in this process. why her the next four years so -- why are the next four years important? mr. gore: there really a new three questions remaining about the climate. do we have to change? we still rely on fossil energy 80%-80 5% of all energy in the global economy. an understanding that the potemkin disagreement for sod being filtered in part culture, there is a massive consensus
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worldwide. the paris agreement signed by virtually every nation in the world is not enough but it is for real. and mother nature is increasingly consistent with extreme weather events in growing more destructive and more frequent all over the world and i won't even write them full . mr. friedman: what about winter? mr. gore: we will still have winter. was 60 degrees fahrenheit above normal for a stretch. at the north pole, after the darkness -- half of the years darkness and half of the year is sunshine. of winter, in the middle tonight, the north pole started crying because the temperature was above freezing point and it was six degrees
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above normal. we are seeing all of the regions in the world do that. spectacular coverage of this. i hope i will have another opportunity to brag on your individual columns about that. they are really great. especially the recent ones and that the president elect. but today, worldwide, we will put another 110 million heat trapping pollution into the sky. today. every date. and, our visual impression of sky is that it is best. it is a very thin shell. the good news is that we have gone three years in a row without an increase in the annual emissions. suggesting we may be at an inflection point.
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i do believe we are. the bad news is that we are still adding to that cumulative amount. a nontrivial fraction will still be there 1000, 10,000 years from now. if we were to magically stop doing that, half of that would ofl out in just a matter decades. that is really amazing. we can have that impact if we choose to. so the cumulative amount now traps as much heat energy every day as would be released by 400,000 hiroshima atomic clouds exploding every four hours. or more goes into the ozone. a lot of consequences. storms are significantly stronger. it disrupts the cycle because the evacuation rate of the
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oceans increases. traveled thousands of kilometers overland so we get these massive mudslidesof mud and interspersed with longer periods of drought. this is why we are seeing tropical disease, transportation revolution has a lot to do about that. changing zynga yesterday -- changing zynga -- zika disease. zikanant women getting every day. you did reporting on the connection between this and political instability showing how the scientists have connected the doubts with the drought in the eastern -- have connected the dots with the drought in the mediterranean. that was really the single most
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important cause of the gates of hell opening up and syria. by the way, we have a persistent confusion between linear cause and effect and systemic cause and effect. you cannot say there is one cause, one effect. in a complex system, it manifests a lot of consequences. all of the consequences. still inews is, we are a reckless way proceeding. people do know the answer to the first question is yes. the second question is, can we change? the hopeful news is the answer to that question is now very clear in very persuasive. saw withcurve we tvs,e phones, flatscreen
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does not take place in every area of technology but the good news is it really does take place in renewable energy. dramatic.d is quite abu dhabi, water electric. a contract for unsubsidized electricity at 2.4 two cents per kilowatt hour. the number might not mean much but it is way, way, way below for you can buy electricity . batteries are also no coming down. we have a sustainability revolution that is now gaining momentum worldwide. think about the agricultural revolution, industrial revolution, and the information
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revolution. the sustainability revolution is as big or bigger than any of the pre-history and it has the scope of the industrial revolution with the speed of the digital revolution. we have gone through 150 years .y trading we have avoided adding warner insulation to the windows, the light, going carefully with cost to save and energy use. now that the true cost of energy especially from fossil fuel is becoming more apparent, there is all this low hanging fruit. and fruit on the ground. it is there. with the digital tools, especially with the internet of things that now make factories too computers, the ability harvest those inefficiencies, waste,emissions, reduce
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increase profit, that is everywhere now in the business world. medium-size, large-size businesses. everybody. getting at.ybody is customers are demanding a because the difference between profit and loss is always at the margin and a significant and growing fraction of customers are saying, i want this agreement and the ability to hire in retain the most talented new employees. the millennials are not just different than our generation. they are way different on this matrix and particular. they want to work for companies that get it and share their values. they want to get paid good but they want to be able to tell their friends and family, i am helping. i feel good. i am making the world a better place. mr. friedman: people from the apparel industry, hotel
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industry. what are the opportunities for them? inc. about that and a little bit more about what you just talked about? wise is a great is this opportunity now? mr. gore: guild ways of doing -- the old ways of doing business have a lot of inefficiency and waste. inertia being what it is and human nature being what it is, it is always difficult to make a big change. is an example.t after hurricane katrina and hurricane rita, they had a real epiphany on the east coast and worldwide. they are an example of a company that may have originally gotten into some things for brand enhancement. i don't know fully. at theot work with them time. but i think there was a mixture
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of motivation but when they realized that they were going to be able to save a heck of a lot of money and enhance their profits by making these sustainability investments and making these changes, then they well." ke, " and everybody knows an example in every industry now. young people coming in, they know how to do it. we can do this, we can do that. so it is moving very quickly. mr. friedman: talk about what you are going to be doing in the try -- a key point, the prison-elect. -- the president-elect. week in you doing next this discussion while there is still some elasticity in his decisions? mr. gore: a week from right now
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i will be in the middle of a reality.lobal we go around the clock live and we are live in the prime time of each of the major countries that we are broadcasting to. had tens of millions in our audience last her, this year is going to be significantly larger than that. coverage and distribution in countries.00 we are devoting each hour to each of the 24 largest national emitters. going to what they pledged in paris, what more they could do, how they are doing, interviews with thought leaders in each country. original videos of hopeful projects in each country. we will take them one-by-one -- 24 hours. 20
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it is one of many reality projects. the ngo, we have been working on this. we talked about generation investment management. my partners and i invest according to sustainability models. i knock on wood before i say mission is to prove the business case that in the investment part of the market, full integration should be best practice. there is now a very large amount of academic research showing that when it is integrated, investors get better returns and in virtually every sector of the economy, businesses that fully embrace sustainability are performing better. many, many studies now. it is becoming an established reality. if president-elect
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trump are here, knowing what we know about when he said during us atmpaign, now he told the new york times last week tot he was open at least some of these climate questions. what advice would you give him? what advice would you give to him about two things. one, about the state of the climate right now. and about the environmental community. i know you have advice on that. i read the transcript of this meeting with the new york times it i really appreciate the way it were leaning forward and was really well done. want to people would say what i am saying.
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thank you very much. and thank you to arthur in putting that whole thing together. i would say to him, congratulations. you have got an incredible responsibility now but there is that is critical and this is a critical moment because going back to your original question on the state of the climate crisis, we are beginning to cross an inflection point. winning. in the united states lester, three quarters of all the new energy electricity generation came from solar. for all intents and purposes, coal is dead. declined 96% in the last several year. errant toull's predict the future of oil but we see signs, exxon, mobile, forced to take 20% of its reserves up the books.
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of them realize they are facing a sub prime interest rate. the subprime more -- mortgages had an artificial value that was levitated by the illusion that you give more to people can't make a payment or a down payment, you can get rid of them by lumping millions of them together into touch -- and attaching a phony insurance like document and selling it to the global market but when people peel back the top layer they said, oh my gosh. the value suddenly collapsed. the value of $22 trillion of a reserve is based on an allusion that is even more absurd than the subprime mortgages. the assumption is that all of that is going to be put to its intended use. if not, whether the paris
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agreement is fully implemented or not, regional government, state government, city government moving forward to medically. china is moving forward. year, you can get on the list. but mother nature is not going to allow it. they had to close powerplants in india the share because the two -- the water was too hot to cool it. the fracking process demands enormous amounts of water, in areas where there is a shortage of water. sand center had to be evacuated. 100,000 people. above normal. for weeks on end. forest fires. it is happening right now in my home state of tennessee. gatlinburg. the southeast -- sorry i'm getting exercise. [laughter]
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is, $22: the point trillion in reserves on the assumption it is going to be burned. at some point, i do not know when but at some point that value is going to collapse the same way the subprime mortgages did. know -- we're you going to win this. we are winning this. we are not winning it fast enough because we are doing considerable damage every day. damage can wemore build into the system question mark it is a large system that moves slowly. the famous metaphor decades ago was it is an angry beast and we're poking it with a stick. we're already seeing and feeling the consequences. we have already programmed in
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more severe consequences in the years ahead, but we still have time to avoid the most catastrophic consequences almost certainly. almost certainly. thatriedman: i will finish thought. therefore, president elect trump hears this energy policy. where does he have to go? mr. gore: i would advise him to come back to your question of ink careful about who he appoints because the great historian robert dowling road new presence are shockingly vulnerable to the headstrong impulses of the people they appoint in the first month and office andear in whatever his management style has been, the ability to balance these different factors in one sphere, when the president has to have a span of awareness and control that covers all of the operations of federal government
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-- it is daunting. into the people he appoints well first of all run with it. and you should be careful of that and about thinking that balanced rhetoric and saying he has never mind, for example, is going to matter that much if he and hard, right wing agency agents. mr. friedman: it could set us back. mr. gore: that seems to be the direction we're going in. but we are still in the weight-and-c time. i am hopeful. mr. friedman: let's take it one step further. fill in this blank for me. the economic arguments and the
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there are also geopolitical arguments. because china is going down this road whether we go down it or not. control ofng our what has to be the next great global industry ever, because we won't be able to breathe, by even taking a four-year hiatus, we are ceding economic and geopolitical control to china. what could we tell the president-elect right now. you better understand what the chinese are going to do over this.f you do mr. gore: yes and the world has recognized the amount at stake as the de facto thought leader of the world for a long time now. that mental ised being passed over. i do not think it is passed over. i think we still have advantages we can play, but if we do not choose to lead on the climate see the opportunity
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in the sustainable revolution, china will do that. it is a national security issue in the mediterranean. asia, you can see the list. mr. friedman: the pentagon seems to be shocked. mr. gore: totally focused on an and libby make another point on the economic reality. opportunityredible in green infrastructure and job-intensive projects like retrofitting buildings and building the weh-capacity lines that carry solar and wind from the places where it is generated to the cities where it is needed into a variety of other similar projects and that is exactly
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what the global economy needs now. we have what larry summers and others have called secular stagnation. others have different labels, than 100 years, the developed countries have had a consumer demand economy with henry ford's aphorism. we have been recycling middle income wages back into a consumer lists economy. -- consumerist economy. the combination of hyper wages totion, flinging lower cost venues and matching them with i.t., the combination of that phenomenon and the introduction of intelligence ato automation which makes fallacy. the long-held assumption which evidence has proven to be true that automation creates more eliminates, the
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mounting evidence now is that that is probably not going to be true. no more blue-collar occupation. self-serving cars and trucks. bots. sew-bots. all of the women. they just bought 2 million robots in one industry. a combination of outsourcing and intelligent automation is causing the hollowing out. people know this. at the macroeconomic consequences is that somehow that income has to be replaced if we are going to continue to rely on the consumer demand economy which china is trying to transition into. so, a global project that puts tens of millions and more to
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work in navigating this sustainability revolution, you know, it it could actually boost just at theconomy time it is needed and a pleasant -- effect would be mr. friedman and it strengthens our technology. i want to give the audience a chance. fire away. right there. and could you introduce yourself. >> hello. thank you so much for all that you do on behalf of the planet. dan roth. my question is, we all know the ongoing drought we're facing as well of the rest of the world. why are we so slow on the west coast to embrace desalinization planets -- plants when we know they are working in other parts of the world indoor cost effective.
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it is a shock we continue to deal with what we deal with. will there be any groundbreaking for this kind of movement and usage? mr. gore: when you say cost-effective, that term needs a definition. simple reason it has not spread more widely is because it is extremely expensive. it requires a lot of energy. however, what we are now seeing with renewable energy is the emergence of zero margin cost. and long segments of time when the demand for consumption of electricity drops off while the production is still high. it may well be that this will -- thehe energy expensive energy requirements of desalinization plants. ofare seeing a huge share electricity -- interesting, there are several utilities in
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texas now that have introduced a new rate plan because of this zero-margin cost of energy. your rates go up a little bit during the peak hours of use during the day but from 9:00 p.m. at night until 6 a.m. the next morning, here is the plan. use all you want for free. people go, what? but, that is now a thing. and, it is a growing phenomenon. and adjusting to the concept of zero marginal cost energy is challenging. i amf course we have -- sifting the subject a little but now -- but we have the old fossil fuel burning single station model utilities using their legacy political and economic power to try to hold back this renewable energy naomi callsnd what
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a strange new form of denial. the fossil fuel companies out there actively using their puppet front groups to say, this global energy is not going to make any difference. it is strip young pathetic, any attention to well, actually the global investment in renewables has -toppled six years ago and the gap has been growing year by year. take the case of florida. the sunshine state. the utilities have such a hammerlock on the state government there. bidding, the state government has made it illegal for any homeowner or business owner to lease a solar panel from anyone other than the fossil fuel utilities. in florida.
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they are behind massachusetts, new jersey, new england in solar deployment because the old dinosaur legacy model has geopolitical power to stop things. and they are now trying to do that in a lot of other states. but desalinization probably will have a resurgence when it is matched with supplies of renewable energy. mr. friedman: another question back there, please. go ahead. i heard you several years ago in a talk. it has only increased since then. what are your views on the growth of renewable energy in the last seven years, that is when i heard you last and what
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is your view on fracking? mr. gore: first of all, i am not disappointed in the growth of renewable energy. it is exploding worldwide. the analogy i have used for several years now is through the cell phone revolution. back around 1980, i was an early adopter of the big, clunky cell phones. i thought they looked so cool. could not wait to show my teddies. now they look so ridiculous. at that time, at&t hired a i have to stop identifying him as a consultant -- they are actually in good humor about it. they would have to figure out how many of those could be sold in the year 2000, 20 years later in the came back and said, good news -- 900,000. when the year 2000 can round, they did sell 900,000. in the first three days of the
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year. mostly in developing countries that did not have landline telephone service. here's the analogy. we do not have landline is electricity grids that are worth their salt in most developing countries, so leapfrogging the old model of electricity panels andwith solar windmills, is the same as the old landline technology. it is spreading incredibly rapidly, especially in the developing countries and i did slides but i could sure use some that are truly astonishing. so no, i am not disappointed. i think it is picking up speed and if we're the united states had a new approach to the federal energy regulatory commission, they just did a good thing in allowing energy storage and batteries online to compete
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but we need to do a lot more to open up competition. if we did, we would make some much money we would win. we would be tired of winning. [laughter] mr. gort now, on fracking, you know, for many years i was -- mr. gore: now, on fracking. you know for many years i was of the view that fracking is a bridge away from coal and toward renewables. i have modified that view in recent years for a couple reasons. leakage of methane from the compressors and from the pipelines is a significant issues because each molecule molecule of methane on the bases of heat trapping is more than 80 times as powerful as a molecule of co2.
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you take the 20 having your number, that is what it is. 3%,ou leak one or two or all of the advantages are wiped out. secondly, the consequences for and the pollution of water supplies are quite real. in oklahoma, you see the earthquakes now that are induced by the reinjection of the water back into the ground. there are many problems associated with it. you can say the last is half full or half empty when the co2 emissions from gas are half that of coal. the problem is the glass of the is already o overfilled. we have to move to a renewable economy. the second, final reason i have
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begun to change my view is that the massive estimate of this pipeline infrastructure projects will be amortized over 50 to 75 years, and we need that capital into renewables. this standing rock project is an atrocity. it is an absolute atrocity. and i wish that president obama would step in before there is more violence out there against those -- they call themselves water protectors. this is an embarrassment to our country. all of those promises have been broken for so long using water cannons in subfreezing temperatures. that is inhumane. i got sidetracked here. >> i want to get one more question in. >> a different topic, but one on which i'm sure you have an interesting opinion. college electoral remain the best system by which
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the american people can elect our people -- our president? >> even after the supreme court decision in december of 2000, i continue to support the electoral college because one of its original purposes was to tie the states to take -- states together. i have changed my view on that. i do think it should be eliminated. i think moving to a popular vote system is not without perils, at without problems, not simple one choice is all good, the other is all bad. it is a balancing act here but i think the bounce has shifted, in my mind at least. and i think we should go to the popular vote. i think it would stimulate public participation in the democratic process like nothing else we could possibly do. and in the internet age, having
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people more involved, we've got to get back to harvesting the wisdom of crowds in the united states. we have to get back to the kind of conversation of democracy that allows good ideas to rise to the surface. we lost that in the television age, even though the internet age is filled with all this junk . it still brings the possibility and real hope of reestablishing the forces of democracy. our democracy has been hacked now. it is pathetic how our system is not working today. and i think that moving to a popular vote for president would be one of the initiatives, getting money about -- getting money out of the process is a difficult challenge. if we can do three or four things to bring our democracy back to life and help us make good decisions again. down? can i turn you
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>> mr. vice president, thank you for your time. i think saving our planet is priority one to and -- 1, 2 and three. and it's going to define nations defense policies, form policies, and economic policies. you speak without notes. you speak with passion. resentment what this country did to you. it's time for you to run for the office again. why wouldn't you run for the country if you want to save the planet? >> first of all, thank you for the sentiment. and even though i've said this before, forgive me for repeating it. i am a recovering politician now. and the longer i go without a relapse, the less likely one becomes. it is not likely.
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but i appreciate the sentiment very much, truly. thank you. >> that was a great question to end on. thank you all. [applause] announcer: congressional leaders, military officials and will be part of a forum on foreign policy and national security issues. thornberryr from mac and ben cardin. live coverage begins tomorrow at 8:30 a.m. on c-span 3. later, coniston tom price, donald trump's pick for health and human services secretary emma will be at the brooking 10 institution. he will talk about the federal legit process.
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your phonetaking calls, tweets and gmail questions live from new to 3:00 p.m. eastern. and i got p.m. eastern on afterwards, former senator looks at thell israeli-palestinian conflict in his book "a path to peace, a brief history of israeli -palestinian negotiations and a way forward in the middle east." he is interviewed by jane harman. >> president abbas and the palestinian authority have long since renounced violence, have accepted israel's existence, and have opted for peaceful negotiation to achieve the state. >> go to book for the weekend schedule. obamast lady michelle welcomed military families to the white house for a tour of the 2016 holiday decorations. she thanked them for their
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sacrifices and their service to the country. [applause] mrs. obama: hi, everybody. look how good you guys look. are you ready for some action? are you sure? i don't know. you sound like you don't want cookies or anything like that. you think you want some cookies? you think so? ok. we will get to a parent first, i want to thank everyone to the white house. i want to start by thanking hazel for that wonderful introduction and for all of her service and hard work in helping to make this home so beautiful. i want to give a huge thank you to all the volunteers, as hazel mentioned, who travel here from
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33 states, d.c., and puerto rico, to come here and put up these beautiful decorations and transform this white house into this holiday wonderland. i am so grateful to you all. and as we celebrate my family's last holiday season in the white back to wheninking we first came here to washington. we promised to open up this house to as many people from as many backgrounds as possible. and we truly wanted to make the white house the people's house. particularly during the holiday season. years,e past eight through the seasons, we worked hard to achieve that goal by milliong almost a half guests to this house during the season. and thanks to our amazing volunteers, we are adorned the white house with about half million ornaments for our guests to enjoy.
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and way brought smiles to the faces of all those who enjoyed the 200,000 holiday cookies prepared by our outstanding pastry chefs. you all will get to have some are those today. 200,020 or so. looking back, i'm proud to say we did our very best during the holidays to make americans of all backgrounds and walks of life feel comfortable and welcomed here in our nation's house. and we do all of this with the .elp of our extraordinary staff yes, we have wonderful volunteers. though we have folks who, each year, take a very limited budget and very little resources and they make miracles happen in this house. so for our final holiday preview, i want to take a moment to highlight just a few of the amazing folks who worked tirelessly behind the scenes. i don't know they know if they are -- if they know i am calling them out.
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office -- ourthe social secretary. there you are. [applause] thank you. and you are going to see chris, ourrred and susie morrison, executive chef and our executive pastry chef. both, as thank them well as the chef and the staff in the kitchen who worked so hard to do everything possible to make these holidays terrific. i want to thank all of our ushers, who never get credit. i know they are around here working away, but they are the people who greet you and make sure that things are moving like they should in this house. our florists, who are tremendous. to thank ourget electricians, and our carpenters, because they make sure the chandeliers are moved
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and structures are built so that we can put things on them. and they do this in a matter of days. they turn this house upside down. and to our calligraphers. you will see all of their handiwork throughout the hour limits -- throughout the ornaments. and i always want to thank our incredible marine band, who you hear from throughout the season. i has been's free rate musical -- favorite musical grew is -- my husband's favorite musical is our own marine band. on behalf of the entire obama moliere,e, barack, sasha -- malia, sasha, sunny, bo. we are grateful for everything you have done for us over the years. so let's give them a round of applause. [applause] so before i get choked up, let me officially kick off our final
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white house holiday season. always, today, we are celebrating with our extraordinary military community, and our military families. we have our service members. we have veterans here. we have wounded warriors. we have our military spouses. [applause] you go, spouses. course, we have our outstanding, handsome, beautiful, smart, talented, engaging military kids. are there any here/[laughter] oh, here they are. let's give them a round of applause. [applause] the past eight years, celebrating the holidays and having you all be the first that see the decorations, this has been one of our favorite white house traditions. us that, between all the shopping lists and the travel plans and all those big meals, that we cannot forget
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what the holidays are really about annual help us. our military families, like all of you remind us what matters. you serve this country in uniform or you hold everything together here at home as a military spouse or you prepare to attend another new school as a military kid. and there's that one back there talking about i don't know what . [laughter] but there is a little one back there who has a lot to say. but you all find time to contribute to your communities into this country. you do it all. you volunteer at local food banks. you coach sports teams on weekends. many of you have even cut your thanksgiving holiday short to come here and decorate the white house. just another example. we have hazel up here. but one of our volunteers, jaclyn james from redlands, california -- is jaclyn here so
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we can really embarrass her? she is probably still working. we will do a reception for our volunteers later. but let me tell you about jaclyn. during her husband's 22 years in the military, her family spent the holidays in five different states and even on a base overseas. during that time, they managed to raise seven kids. two weeks ago, they celebrated the birth of their 15th grandchild. service to this country did not end when jaclyn's husband retired. they watched two of their sons do tours in both iraq and afghanistan. and even though jaclyn does not consider herself the most artistic decorator, she volunteered at the white house this year because -- and this is what she said -- she said, if patriotism is an art, she said than i am a master. [laughter] it's that kind of commitment to serving others. that is what the holidays are
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truly about. withhat is what we honor our holiday decorations every year at the white house. and this year's holiday theme is the gift of the holidays. and as usual, we will be celebrating our country's greatest gifts with special decorations celebrating our military families. down in the booksellers, when you walk in, the visitors that come will see a tree and a flag display composed of pictures of military families who my husband and i have met on bases and in communities around the world over the course of our time here. the tree is hung with a gold ornaments honoring america's greatest heroes. the men and women who have given their lives for our country. and right next to those displays is an ipad station that allows guests to send holiday wishes to our service members. and we are hoping that each of the 68,000 guests that are going to visit during the holiday
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season will take a moment to pause and send a message to express their gratitude. toer that, they will move on see a number of other decorations that celebrate the gifts we share as a nation. for example, in the library, we are honoring the gift of a great education, which is important, right? school, college, all of that. and we have trees in the library made out of kranz and pencils. you have to check that out if you have not -- made out of crayons and pencils. you have to check that out if you have not already. to trees that are decorated with special ornaments, each of which has the word "girl" in one of a dozen different languages. so when guests head upstairs to this floor, they will see that, in the green room, it is filled with decorations representing the gifts provided by our white
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house kitchen garden, with trees hung with organ immense -- with ornaments in the shape of bees and fruits. we have air 19 foot tall christmas tree. it's really big. they have to take out the chandeliers and rearrange everything just to get the tree in the house. that is in the blue room. in the state dining room, you will spot the official white house gingerbread house. so when you see it, everything on it is something you can eat. and our pastry chefs have worked very hard to make this house possible. it is beautiful. it has a replica of the new white house garden and bo and sonny and lots of cool stuff. the trees in that room, there are 56 lego gingerbread houses, representing every single state and territory in america. and somewhere in the house we have supersized replicas of bo and sonny guarding their
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presents because we don't let them have their presents. [laughter] i'm just kidding. they get to have them. people who come through these halls over the next few weeks will see about -- how many ornaments do you think are in this house? six? [laughter] 10? [laughter] a hundred? getting closer. 9000? let me tell you. it is 70,000 ornaments. i was pretty shocked at that. so we can't wait. that's a lot of ornaments. but we can't wait to start welcoming people into their white house this holiday season. and to everyone who created these stunning displays, all our volunteers, all the folks who helped make this happen, i want to -- i want to once again say
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thank you. onceid a phenomenal job again in turning this house into a magical place. those of you who are here today and those around the world, i want to once again honor you for your service and your sacrifice and your love of this nation. it is a love that my family and i share along with you. it has been such a complete pleasure to support you in this time. so i want to wish everyone a happy, healthy holiday season. all right? and with that, we get to have some fun, ok? are you guys ready? i'm just talking to the kids here. [laughter] you guys don't get to have fun, but here's what you get. we will take your children from you for a moment. [laughter] [applause] dell applauds loudly. they are still here. they can hear you. [laughter] and you can enjoy some cider and some cookies.
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and you guys want to come with me. when get some surprises in the back. and your parents will be here. we will try to bring them back in one piece. i cannot guarantee that they will be neat. there is dye and food color. sorry. [laughter] all of it is washable. are you ready to come and join me? thank you all so much. come to the white house. it's really cool. take care. [applause] announcer: sunday, on book tv's "in death," a discussion on the attack of the -- attack of pearl harbor.
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steve to me, author of "attack , the 12 days of and eri hotta. we are taking your phone calls, tweets and email questions live from noon to two -- to 3:00 p.m. eastern. go online for the complete we can schedule. , wednesdayon journal morning, congressman eric swalwell talks about the agenda andegislative political messaging and strategy. then come intelligence committee member, punishment chris stewart on president-elect trump's
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national security team and policy changes -- policy challenges. and max read on his article "fake news, was quote and whether the internet is a reliable tour -- tool for furthering democracy. live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on wednesday morning. join the discussion. announcer: we are joined by mike lillis. mike, tell us why tim ryan is challenging nancy pelosi. mike: there are several reasons. going back to 2010 when the democrats lost control of the , there wereel grumbling men. why should we return the same leaders to the same spot if they were not able to keep us in the majority? since then, you have heard a little bit of that grumbling,
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but it has been behind closed doors. this year is different because of the trump of victory, because the democrats were expecting to pick up significant house seats. they did not do that. what was once behind closed doors, it is now very public.
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so to veterans, also young come also knew from massachusetts.
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successfully delayed these leadership elections. they wanted them to happen to weeks ago. they said no way, not after this election. we are going to take some time. we are going to have a reckoning. we will figure out what went wrong. they were successful. the election is tamara. they had not endorse anybody in -- lection is tomorrow. they had not endorse anybody. even if it is a losing effort, they are young. they will be here when pelosi is gone. so they see it as a strategic more -- strategic move. >> walk us through the timeframe and the logistics on the vote. secret ballot. that plays to the advantage of tim ryan. extremely powerful in this caucus. she is -- powerful force in this caucus.
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the last time she was challenged in 2010, it was keith schuller, not a senior guy, a blue dog, hadn't been around too long. and he got 43 votes. very few of them were public. people will vote in a secret ballot because they can remain anonymous and not have any kind of political reprisal from , youi, who has in the past know, denied people committee assignments or denied them campaign cash, things like that, aere she could -- is kind of form of retribution, how she keeps people in line, how she keeps everybody so unified. so tomorrow morning, it starts at 8:50, 9:00 in a morning. it will be in the basement of the capital, where the democrats meet every week for their caucus. fuel have some at he nominate pelosi. you have some he nominate tim ryan. we don't know yet who those figures are going to be. then you will have a couple of speakers on behalf of both of the candidates. you can expect pelosi bubbly
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will grab -- probably will grab somebody from the chc, probably sunday from the black caucus. she will have a whole swath of people. and tim ryan will probably try to do the same thing. bubbly some diversity there. -- marshalle, flies, former black caucus. then they vote and record the ballot. whether or not we know the tally is another thing. we will know if the tally, at least not immediately. >> we will look for your reporting on all of this. you can read more at thehill .com. thank you. announcer: headline from politico. former house newt gingrich want
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president-elect donald trump to watch what he tweets. worst thing he did was the tweak the other night about the legal votes." hours later, he also alleged serious voter fraud occurred in virginia, new hampshire and california. the article goes on, "presidents of the united states can't randomly tweet without having summative check it out," gingrich said tuesday. it makes you wonder whatever else he is doing. it undermines more than just a single tweet. i think that is probably the sing -- the single biggest thing he has done wrong. that's newt gingrich. and you can read more at donald trump has selected elaine chao to head the department of transportation.
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she is married to mitch mcconnell of kentucky. house majority leader kevin talks about repealing the affordable care act. then senator bob corker, who chairs the senate foreign relations committee discusses his meeting with donald trump. after that, senate judiciary with chuck grassley meets senator jeff sessions, who is donald trump's pick to be attorney general. c-span's washington journal, live every day, with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up one's a morning, democratic steering and policy committee vice chair congressman eric swalwell talks about the democrats legislative agenda in the next congress. and political messaging and strategy. then come intelligence committee
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member, punishment chris stewart on president-elect trump submerging national security team. and foreign-policy challenges. and new york magazine's select all senior editor max read on his article "fake news," and whether the internet is a tool for furthering democracy. be sure to watch c-span's washington journal live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on wednesday morning. join the discussion. leaderhouse majority kevin mccarthy gives a preview of republican legislative priorities in the next congress. the california republican talks about tax reform, a health care laura replacement -- health care law replacement and border security. congressman mccarthy was a guest of the washington post the daily 202 series with national political correspondent james holman. [applause]
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[applause] james: thank you, chris. house majority kevin mccarthy we are obviously very lucky to have with us today. good turn out in the audience. on a rainy day, lame duck session. mr. mccarthy: if they feel tired i just flew in from california. [laughter] james: there is a lot going on. the lame-duck is going to be as exciting as it possibly could have been. let's start with the news overnight. tom price, congressman from georgia, who you served with, is going to be the health and human services secretary. he's been a staunch opponent of the affordable care act. what's your relationship with price? what do you make of him? mr. mccarthy: tom and i could not be closer. he serves on the ways and means. he is a doctor, orthopedic surgeon. he's been integral in the republican
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putting together a better way of how to repeal and replace obamacare. i actually believe this is a very good decision on trump's part. i thought this would happen early on. that tom would be a perfect fit. which is nice. we've got mike pompeo going to c.i.a. tom price with him there. i mean, i talked to the administration elect almost every other night, and how many are you going to take? you got to leave some people left. there's a lot of good people that have been working hard on these issues that are going to make it, in my perspective, easier to get the job done. james: who are you talking to in the administration? mike pence? mr. mccarthy: i talk to president-elect donald trump. i talked to reince priebus. i talk to bannon. i talk to mike pence. james: are they eager to work together? mr. mccarthy: i feel everybody feels very close about working together. one thing i'm going to do, i
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think i have been on a couple morning shows, sometimes my mouth says something that my head's thinking differently. i think i said today that i was putting the calendar out today. i'm not. i thought it was wednesday. i'm putting it out on wednesday. i have been redoing the calendar, one of the roles of the majority leader. especially for the first 100 days of this year. it is not just the idea of, oh, what they should be in session? no, it's in concert with working with the new administration and working with the senate what would we be doing that week, the next week, and other week? the house works faster than the senate. time wise. we don't have this gridlock of 60-vote world. so our movement will be faster. planning out one of the roles of majority leader, too, is managing the committees. so seeing what we can do, what we should be doing at this time, and mapping all that out. knowing things change, you have to be flexible. but you're never going to get all this done if we don't start working early. we'll come in early on the
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third. james: 2 1/2 weeks before he gets sworn in. mr. mccarthy: yes. james: are there going to be more legislative days next year? mr. mccarthy: we'll be in session more legislative days. i'll explain that all to the members. we'll walk them through what i give to everybody else. i will tell you the members are eager about that. weeks will be longer. the first 100 days will be more. there are certain times i wish we could be in. the one week right before the inaugural, security wise, you can't use the capitol during that time. we have a couple of retreats. the democrats and republican retreats. i do think those are helpful. ours are done with the senate as well. to me, that's still working in the process. i don't have the floor. james: talk about the first 100 days. you are mapping out your calendar. what is the benchmark for success in the first 100 days? if we came back 100 days after trump is sworn in, what's -- mr. mccarthy: i would like to see progress. first thing, you'll find at the
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beginning, what i found in this past administration, the frustration with the country, is lack of growth. one of the elements happened to be -- especially if you look at the economic, is productivity is down. three straight quarters. that's because you're hiring new people to deal with regulation. we do know -- we no longer have co-equal branches. i think reorganizing where we have co-equal branches, bringing that article 1 back, you are going to see the very beginning reign back the midnight rule, others going through. we have some other elements of certain things we can do from the prospect of the check and balance. we have a congressional review act that allows a different vote number in the senate based upon regulations that have passed. if you take the first six years of the obama administration, it was almost 500 new regulations through. how do we reign that back in during the congressional review act? those take 15 legislative days to be privileged in the senate.
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you really cannot start on that until the 24th. we have not done a budget for 2017. you'll see a budget start. probably start in the senate. as many of you know from being here, that gives you reconciliation. that is an element of how do you deal with the deficit. that's one of the elements that you can deal with obamacare and you can't replace it under that, but you can start the process for the repeal of it. you can't replace it under that, but you can start the process of repeal. you'll also have a budget for 2018. that gives you another bite at the apple on reconciliation when you want to do tax reform. if you want to do tax reform that way. when it comes to the border, the administration and others want us to get that done quickly. you'll see movement on that. you'll see talk when it comes to infrastructure. we're looking at ways that we make this economy start working again. i know there's administration
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you have to fill. that's going to take part-time in the senate. the supreme court 11 appointment it will have to fill. but we've got to get work being done and we can't waste any of the weeks and the times. v.a. needs reform. so all these things we have been working on, and a lot of those we have been working on in a better way ahead of time. so you've got a lot of that work through committees done. once january 3 comes you finish populating, we're in a stronger position in the house th probably all the others. the democrats haven't even picked their leadership yet. if there's one person i can root for, i think nancy has more support in the republican conference for her to stay leader than maybe in her own conference. i am not sure. i'm just seeing if you are away, ok? james: you said last week that you feel republicans will have the house majority as long as nancy pelosi is democratic leader. mr. mccarthy: i firmly believe that. do you notice other some people in the senate that always get one term too long. the term in the senate is six
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years, file like nancy is at -- i kind of feel like nancy is at that point. i want to help her. i think that's a good place for her to be. i think it's very helpful -- james: you endorse her? mr. mccarthy: can you believe she puts out that she wants to keep the current dccc. i would look into about firing what those people did. she wants to keep them. more power to them. she should be reelected. james: i want to talk about the issues, but while we're on this point, you were part of the -- integral, you were charge of recruiting that 2010 class. you were one of the young guns. if you were giving advice to young democrats, the young guns in that caucus right now besides the pelosi point, what would you tell them? how do you come back from being in the wilderness? this is the first time, you got elected and -- mr. mccarthy: the country has already decided your policies are not where they want to go. they rejected your majority. but you kept the same leadership.
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then their leadership, no disrespect, their leadership is 75 to 76 years old. that's not the future. when you look at what we did recruiting, you got to stop washington from recruiting. what i did, i went across the country, you don't want to talk somebody into running, you want to ask them why. if they have the right reasons that they want to run, you want to enhance that but don't pre -pick. you want the competition to come from within and represent their own area. we always put measurement, so people had measurements of where to get. and that year of 2010 we defeated 63 democrat incumbents and 61 were young guns. the story i always look to kill -- the story i always love to tell is this one. stephen fincher. barack obama is 70% approval rating, and i sit down with steven fincher and
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he tells me he is from frog jump, tennessee. and i ask him, why do you want to run? mr. kevin, i'm just a farmer. i have watched the country changed before my eyes and i do not want to come with children i did nothing. i said that's a good reason. mr. kevin, don't know if i'm the best person. why? i have never been elected to anything. that's all right. you don't have to be elected. oh, mr. kevin, i've never even been to washington, d.c., on vacation. i said as of right now you're my top recruit in the nation. [laughter] mr. mccarthy: he ran -- he announced he was going to run. i came back to my conference and i said, i think i found the person that defines this election. they all kind of laughed at me. i said, here he is having never been to d.c., never run before, but is willing to risk all his finances, all of his life because he watched his country change. it frustrated him that far that he was willing to do it. and truthfully a lot of the media laughed at me. so once he got in, the democrat
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opponent stayed in and then backed out. then these other people got in with millions of dollars. steven fincher won. you know what? when you looked at -- in congress, he's retiring right now. he has been there three terms. the first year the jobs act, which people say was one of the best bills, you know who the author of that was question mark -- who the author of that was? steven fincher. james: let's unpack some of the issues. the first 100 days, you mentioned several big-ticket things. let's start with obamacare. we mentioned it with tom price. you mentioned backstage your putting something together. mr. mccarthy: ok. we'll repeal obamacare, replacing obamacare you want to make sure you get it right. one thing i always found -- the argument was you need to change the health care system. obamacare will not stand on its own. you look at 23 co-ops when they passed obamacare. what were they given, $3 billion? now 16 have failed. premiums are up 25%.
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you go through all of the rep -- all of the ramifications -- people leaving the market, a lot of states only have one option we never thought that would succeed, but repealing it, you want to make sure you replace it properly. this is a problem. they closed ranks, they didn't listen to anybody. they made it a political decision instead of a policy decision. we have done a lot of work on this. especially when it came to king-burwell when we thought there was going to be a supreme court case. there was a supreme court case, but the decision was going to do differently. we put a little group together to map out where we would go. at the time, it was the chairman of ways and means come up all right, tom price, myself, but the other thing we did, we brought governors in. listened to governors. they do have ideas. what we thought would happen, work at the very beginning, is not where we finally ended up because we sat there and talked policy. what's the best policy you can get through and make happen to work the process? what i'm going to do is putting letters out this week to all the governors and insurance commissions, give me your ideas
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on replacement. we want to make sure we get this done right. we're going to get it done. we want to make sure it's done right and people are engaged in the process as well. james: when do you think it gets done? mr. mccarthy: well, repealing is easier and faster because that could be a 51-vote. replacing is going to be 60 votes. i don't want to set a time limit that this has to get done by this certain date. i want to make sure it gets done right. james: what do you envision -- there are a bunch of things that are popular. some of which are not that expensive. some of which are. mr. mccarthy: the first thing everybody talks about pre-existing conditions and your children 26. where do those ideas stem from? those are republican policies. in those two instances i believe those stay. we've got an idea and a better way.
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that's one place to start. it's not easy because i sat around the room many times trying to come up with the replacement plan. it wasn't until king-burwell it forced us to make decisions. that will be very helpful. i also want to have the states out there because i think having more competition, having options for people. i always use the analogy, when i want to pick a cable company to watch what i want to watch on tv, i love the options that i have. i love the ability to switch. i love the different packages that i can pick if i like a certain sports team. i want to watch hbo or something else. i can make it just tailored to myself. why can't we have health care in a manner that we can do something to that extent? that would be a better option. james: immigration. you mentioned the new administration is the high priority to do something about the border. what does that look like? is that the wall? is that going to happen? mr. mccarthy: you're going to have to secure the border no
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matter what you do. yes, this administration cares about it, but i would say that is a bipartisan issue. when you looked at what -- i would say the democrat plan was in the senate, when they did their bill, they put billions of dollars for border security. you have to have a secure border. i think you'll see people work on it. it can't be anybody in this room who thinks our current immigration system works. it doesn't matter what position you are about immigration, if you believe the current system works, you're wrong. if we do nothing on immigration, we perpetuate the problem. 40% of everybody that's here illegally came here legally on a visa. so don't you think that program needs to be changed? the process and idea that if somebody comes here and they get an engineering degree and tell them to leave, but we do this just luck of the lottery and chain migration where you bring your whole family, i don't think that's a system that's working right in america. we are a country that stimulates, believes in -- a country that is stimulates,
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-- a country that assimilates, that believes in immigration. i think we have to have greater control over what that means and how the process we do it. james: do you sense there would be any appetite for a larger comprehensive reform? mr. mccarthy: i believe there is, but i do not believe there's any trust to do any comprehensive immigration reform without proving you secured the border. there is a lack of trust out there. no matter what you look at from immigration, people believe you have to start with that. let's start with that and move from there. james: you have a lot of relationships in silicon valley. you are the main republican appointment out there. mr. mccarthy: there are a couple others. james: immigration is important to them. they care about some of these visa issues you just mentioned. mr. mccarthy: h1b's and others. james: how important is the immigration component to what they want? you talk about your innovation agenda. mr. mccarthy: i think it's important there. remember where i come in california, i'm in a very diverse district. cesar chavez is buried in my district. so i also understand guest workers program.
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from the agriculture. two families in my district grow 80% of all the carrots in the country. you ever eat a baby carrot? the little ones? you want a secret? there is no such thing. they are regular carrots, we chop them, you buy them, we love you for it. we do not charge you more. that is what we do. silicon valley as well. h-1-b's. we are sending people off. we want an economy that grows. want people that want to simulate, i think we can find an immigration system that works. james: there is some tension here within the republican party, of course, someone like jeff sessions. he wants to reduce legal immigration. not just securing the border. there is some current of people who supported the current president-elect who want to reduce legal immigration. sounds like you have no appetite for that. do you think there is a place for legal immigration question -- legal immigration. ?
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mr. mccarthy: i think there is a big place for legal immigration. there is no one person newsroom that cannot trace their family back. i'm irish and italian. we have the best fights in the neighborhood. palidino came from italy in 1921. just so happens it's my grandfather. then jeremiah mccarthy came in the 1860's from ireland. they made a great contribution to this country. you know what? one of the grandchildren became a majority leader in the house of representatives. we want to keep that dream alive. i believe we can keep that dream alive. we also have to secure our borders. there is a logical way we can go about this that we maintain this, and we maintain the core and tradition of america with also protecting. there are people on the other side that want to have nothing and people just run in. you can't have -- you cannot keep a country strong without the rule of law. if you do not have a secure border, people are breaking the rule of law by coming into the country illegally, you will break down society.
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there is a value to being an american. you want to keep that value. you know what? people went through the process legally to make that happen. we want to make a legal system that works. james: moving on to tax reform. big-ticket item. the president-elect talked about tax cuts. do you see any prospect for big tax reform in the coming years, coming congress? what's that going to most likely end up looking like? what do you think? sort of the elements of that. mr. mccarthy: i would say article 1, section 7 of the constitution says all tax reform starts in the house. we know it starts in ways and means. we did not wait for january to start thinking about this. we have already started working on this. if you look at a better way. you want to know, what would that structure be? it will be simpler and fairer. i think you'll end up with three rates not five. i think there will be a reduction in rates. how do you get the reduction in rates? how you craft it. if i look at across this country the frustration, the movement of
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what we saw in these last campaigns, why? the middle class were worth less today than we were eight years ago. the number one thing we have to do is grow this economy. every single budget that last administration sent to us had like a 3.5 or higher annual growth rate in their budget. they never achieved that. we are dealing with 1%, 1.5% growth rate. you do not solve the problems. we cannot solve the challenges of america just by cutting government. we have to grow this economy. and tax reform, reg reform those are the key elements making this economy begin to grow. all the things people would try to say to scare you about having donald trump be president, you are finding they are not true. the market was going to drop, remember? election night, where was the option, the best november we ever had on the market. why? because we assume if you look at
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the economic factors before, and business investment was down, consumer consumption was up. productivity was down. the key factors behind that. we could get business investment up. they know they can get a return. what's a good place to make an investment. productivity up, more people working, tax reform. right now, we have a system where structure dictates behavior. you could have a benefit to have a foreign country come by or leave this contry. we punish you to bring in a -- bring that money back into america. it is all backwards. some of my best friends who created companies from scratch somebody took them over simply because our tax advantage was a disadvantage. james: do you think that republicans have been very nervous about deficits the last eight years. they weren't as nervous when george w. bush was president. a lot of your members who have come in the in the last eight years put a high priority on deficit spending. mr. mccarthy: i'm one of them. james: you can do dynamic
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scoring. you mentioned the administration's budget came in with sort of high expectations of growth. how serious are house republicans going to take deficit spending? mr. mccarthy: we're very serious about it. you cannot have a debt equal to your -- size of your economy. every great society has collapsed based upon when they overstretch themselves. you could manage debt, but it's different. the size and manage of the debt i have on my home is one i can manage. i still live in the very first home i every bought. instead of going and buying in million dollar house. i cannot manage that. we have to look at that. how do we solve this? this is what i talked about earlier. one, you have to grow the economy. you have to manage -- one, we were very successful in 2010 where we put the caps on discretionary spending. it's mandatory spending. discretionary is 10.67, right. trillion dollars, in essence. but medicare, social security, interest on the debt, that's
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making up 66% of the budget on his way during ronald reagan's to 75%. during ronald reagan's term that was 25% and discretionary was 75%. so we have to get a handle on mandatory. we have to grow the economy to get it out of this problem. that's why tax reform is still important. that is why regulation reform is so important. james: how important when you're moving bills out of the house is it they'll be revenue neutral? one of the things -- we're talking about is infrastructure spending package that would be potentially hundreds of billions of dollars. mr. mccarthy: you want it to be paid for. these kinds of different principles and philosophies, right? is somebody keynesian or not? i believe of government lowers taxes, someone goes evidence -- someone will go out and score and says we are going to get less. but when you going to do with that money? you're going to invest it, growth it, and make it grow faster than government?
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i believe yes. we'll get more revenue in. history has proven me right. it's where you want to look at it. when you're going into a infrastructure, you want to pay for things. but another key element of infrastructure we're going to find in our conference is, we're frustrated -- we put in a long-term highway bill you haven't had in quite some time. some of the things we did was reforms in it. why does it take 10 years to build a road that you voted for a decade ago? population doesn't stop growing. it moves right by it. can't we bring common sense reforms were reconsidering the building of that road and -- reforms where we can streamline the building of that road and others? let's be able to have the benefit of it at the same time you're going to find a lot of streamlining. james: is part of this construction package. you think infrastructure can get done in the first 100 days? mr. mccarthy: i'm not going to put any time lines on it. i want to get results and get it done right. i put more days in so we get this done. i think there's always a window we know in an election year, things are harder than the first year. we want to get as much done
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correctly as soon as we can and there is an order and basis to do it. james: do you feel like -- obviously, you weren't around as much during the previous republican administration, but -- i guess you were. mr. mccarthy: no, i came with the minority. smallest republican class in the history. there was only 13. not one of them beat a democrat. james: that's amazing. 2006. mr. mccarthy: that is right. james: do you feel like house republicans are getting to sort of set this agenda? to what extent -- mr. mccarthy: we all work together. i think the house has a greater working majority. i think the house by creating a better way is better prepared for some of the issues that we're going to deal with. the senate has some odd rules. i think the 60-vote is a guaranteed gridlock rule, but i also look at democrats who are city and state said donald trump - carried that will probably be
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more helpful in this perspective. schumer will be new than harry reid. maybe schumer is more likely to work and negotiate on something. our committees are up and better prepared. james: on this bipartisanship point, you mentioned there are these red state democrats -- indiana, missouri, north dakota, west virginia up in 2018. you set on obamacare replacement, you would need 60 in the senate. what else do you think you'll get democratic votes on not just in the senate but the house? of these things that we are talking about. mr. mccarthy: the house is a little different. i've always found if you study history, the first on months, that is the length of the time the president gets. when i came in there was six in 2006 and people were like 300 votes. then it slides down. it depends what we're moving. if there is a big challenge
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now -- yeah, i think nancy wins, i think she's already lost the base of her conference, right? so they are going to be more willing and apt, realize they sitting in districts where a lot of their friends have lost and people voted for want to get this country moving again. i think tax reform. it will be interesting to see how many of them will vote for repealing obamacare. once it's repealed why wouldn't they be willing to vote for replacement? you have no other options. are you going to play politics with it? reg reform. i think you'll find quite a few that are coming from rural america and others that watched the administration put in where they took out total industries. they watched their own constituents lose their jobs. i think you're going to find quite a few willing -- james: talk about governing, bigger picture. you have very good relationships with everyone in your conference. the house freedom caucus, there were 20 members or whatever the number was, you were -- mr. mccarthy: it's secret.


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