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affordable care act is a perfect example. i was really pleased to see senator schumer talk about keeping democrats together on that. i think we will see over the next couple of weeks and months, let's remember, every member of congress who has constituents via the affordable care act and it seems to me a fundamental responsibility of government. 90% of americans think that's what they should do. that as that if they do a repeal and replace two years later, you will see unraveling in the health care
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markets. i don't know that it will be in democrats best interest to say, i'm part of the problem too, by rolling up their sleeves to solve it. i think it will be up to republicans to solve it trade medicare another example, this privatization. i don't think there's a lot of truthfully, no american thought privatizing medicare was part of the debate. no one expected that to happen. they didn't really take it seriously, as an option. iat he's proposed so far, think a lot of democrats will say, we will offer an alternative, which is an infrastructure plan. my view of this is that even in the last couple of weeks, donald trump could have done a lot more to unify the country but we've seen with his radical pitch and proposals to undo the social
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is decidingthat he to be the president of a minority of the country. then it's up to progressive stauffer that alternative, which i think will be much clearer and easier to do in a trump administration. about i ask you more that, in the context of obamacare, one scenario where they do go forward with their appeal, some republicans do try to replace it with something along the lines of tom price's plan that covers far fewer people and has much fewer protections. since a lot of conservatives won't support any replacement since it spends money on helping know,, health care, you there might be a role for progressives to roll out these alternatives you are talking about, right? like a real infrastructure plan. i don't know what a real obamacare replacement looks
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like. >> a real plan on wages. few months,e next we will be really focused on fighting off as many of the terrible things they want to do to the social safety net. i do think that democrats will be able to offer alternatives. infrastructure is a perfect example. the only way they can keep those funds is to squeeze the middle
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class with tolls and fees on users. the taxpayer is paying on both ends, paying for a tax credit and paying for higher fees. that makes no sense. it's better to have direct investments. robust infrastructure package, which will really help people around the country. one of the ornies -- ironies is that an infrastructure program and by donald trump offers very little for rural parts of the country. it only helps big programs in cities. i think we should also do more around the country. that's why i think that gives people an opportunity to really out an progressive, lay alternative vision of how they will better represent. and it's aand back, lot easier to offer that alternative when you're dealing with a trump administration.
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a i wonder if there is relative for progressive groups in the case that some democrats do get -- to demand that the democratic party remain united the height what you are calling robust expenditure plans. >> if you think about where we are, eight years ago at this democraticad a presidents elected by a strong majority of the country. country toant their pull together -- in this moment, you have a person who was elected by a minority of the hasn't hasn't done anything to try to be the leader for the whole country, not just in his tweets, but his cabinet appointments and public facing saysage and the things he
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every day, it's pretty clear he's trying to govern for just half the country. not even that, in some his policies. tos up to progressives provide a strong alternative vision and say to says every day, democratic leaders, we need you to hold strong on these core values. somethink you will see really racially charged stuff happening to. trumps tweet the other day where he said millions of voters illegally really racially charged struck me and a number of voting rights advocates i talked to as a signal that a major wave of voter suppression is coming. we've seen that use of justification for a lot on the state level. in addition to persecution of muslims, which i think is a genuine possibility -- >> and what are you going to do about undocumented? >> this will be an occasion for standats to take a strong
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in defense of persecuted minorities. debateink there's been a , a little bit of unhealthy debate in the democratic party or amongst progressives, so-called identity politics, struggles for economic justice. my view is that the democratic onty cannot turn its back some of these core values. this is the party that has represented the struggle for civil rights for 50 years and to turn its back -- we have seen particular groups under attack, whether muslims or undocumented immigrants, an effort to disenfranchise minority voters are people of color would be a travesty. that's what they prove to people . time, we are going
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to have to be called on to protect civil rights and also articulate an affirmative argument against him on economics, and i would argue political reform grounds. truthfully, we've called that -- you knit together a civil rights strategy with an economic strategy, the bobby kennedy solution. you pull together people who are working class families of all colors. white, every american, latino. focus, never turn your back on the struggles of people of color. he racializes race. he created a lot of anger between different groups. i think there are a lot of his voters who we can reach with stronger economic and political reform methods. has beensy debate
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largely false choice between on the one hand, speaking to the economic anxieties, and the other, playing quote, unquote, identity politics. couldn't all of us be doing a better job of explaining the a lot of the stuff we are saying on behalf of minority groups actually is an economic argument too? >> absolutely. i totally agree. this is a perfect example. that helps a lot of white voters, african-american voters, latino voters. a lot of the policies we have championed are in health care and paid leave. all those policies help families
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of color, but also help white families. can beth is that we bolder and what we are saying and clearer in our message, absolutely. i don't think we should fall to the charge that that was targeted. it was -- these programs have always been around helping all families. i think it's sad and honestly pathetic that he was able to racialize race in so many ways. i think he will now have the burden of governing and people will be able to see whether his policies truly help them or not. likeu -- so far it seems not much of the republican agenda he is signing off on is going to hurt the very people he said would help. and that's a tragedy.
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thanks, greg. happy note, for those guys. [applause] stake framing what is at with working families in a trump administration and where progressives can go from here. i want to introduce stephanie land. she's going to offer up a personal reflection of will ground the discussion. while we have all the data on the world to underscore why the trump agenda is a disaster for working families, nobody knows firsthand how important it is to provide basic living standards. the rollback of labor rights, cuts to core supports for working families, the appointment of an attorney general who repeatedly voted against defending the violence against women act comedies are
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not abstractions. proudly featured her work on numerous occasions at her work also appeared in the new york times, "the washington " and manye guardian, other outlets. she focuses on social and economic justice. rthcoming tos fo hachette books, and she holds a bachelor's degree in english with a creative writing emphasis from university of montana and lives with her two daughters in missoula. thank you for joining us. [applause] >> thank you to the center for american progress, for this opportunity to speak in front of all of you today. six years ago, i lived with my then three your -- three-year-old daughter in a studio apartment. during the day i worked full-time as a mate, cleaning the houses of the wealthy.
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at night i stayed up completing coursework for several online college classes. i worked full-time and i was able to do that because of the supports it helps me pay for child care. i worked full-time, and yet i still had to turn to food assistance to help feed myself and my daughter because after paying rent, gas, utilities, most months, i only had $50 things like toilet paper and soap. that december it got so cold i had to close the french doors to keep the area we both slept in. i'm so sorry. i had to close the french doors to the area we both slept in and fold out the small couch i had found for free because i could not afford to keep our entire space warm. it snowed quite a bit that winter, more than my 1983 honda civic could handle. for an entire week, i tried to wheel the snowplows come down the steep little alley our
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apartment sat above. every day i missed work meant another bill i would not be able to pay. first electric, and then rent. the reason i was in this situation, a couple years earlier, i fled from my daughter's father when an argument we had prompted me to call the police for safety. suddenly, i found myself homeless with a six-month-old. i worked as a landscaper while we moved from a handle -- homeless shelter to transitional housing and finally, our own apartment. we could not have made it out of the shelter without help from a now elusive grant called tenant-based rental assistance. eventually i was able to find a full-time job that paid eight dollars an hour while going to school full-time. but eight dollars an hour is not enough to provide for a family. even with a full-time job, we had to go without basics. i had to budget for when i could purchase a new sponge or even paper towels. finally, after that cold winter
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in our tiny apartment, thanks to the earned income tax credit and the child tax credit, i was able toothbrushes, curtains, a desk to do homework on, blankets, and a bed i still sleep on today. i bought a heated mattress pad for it so i did not have to heat the whole room. my daughter and i slept that but i cozy and warm, still lived in a fog of hopelessness, anxiety, and doubt. i didn't have a family who could but i still lived in a fog of hopelessness, anxiety,financialy support me. my daughter's father still try to cut me down every chance that he could. food assistance, rental assistance, and tax credits were the things that kept us afloat and helped me get back on my feet. thatow, the assistance helps us thrive faces the biggest threat to their existence when donald trump and his cabinet come in at a time families needed the most. the safety net has already been
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under attack by republican legislatures such as house speaker paul ryan. these politicians will likely our the programs the were lifeblood to their death march. we can't let this happen, and that's why i continue to tell my story. the month after i graduated college, i gave birth to a second little girl. eventually we were able to move into warm, safe, and secure housing i could afford, and it meant i could focus on my chosen career as a writer. somehow, my gamble in getting an english degree paid off. in july 2015, an article i wrote about those years i spent as a maid went viral. it not only brought in the interest of one of the top literary agents in the country, it launched my career. over the next few months, my bylines grew rapidly. i started working as a writing fellow through the center for community change. and with barbara ehrenreich's
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project, i published pieces where i admitted something i was most ashamed of, of when i fell on hard times, i relied on food stamps. i wrote about our struggle to survive, and the constant stress when the wages weren't enough to provide for my family. through my position at the center for community change, i learned how to write opinion pieces, and the economic hardship reporting projects ended up reporting a piece in ."he new york times last summer, on my youngest daughter's second birthday, i offered an offer from a shut book group. it's a story of not only finding happiness in the little things, but of the grit it takes to find resources to survive, then leap to the other side are you no longer need them. i worked my way through school all raising two children. but i also know i could not have done that without basic living standards that helped me get ahead.
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paul ryan may think his plan is a better way, but it is anything but. his agenda does nothing to create jobs or raise wages. it cuts essential resources like food stamps and medicaid, kicking people when they are already down. this is a population who needs good quality food, and not whatever has the most calories at the cheapest price. they need regular checkups and access to prescription medication because they can't afford vitamins or regular exercise. their backs ache from long hours at jobs that no one else wants to do, but are vital to keep our society running smoothly. ryan donald trump and paul need to work one of those jobs. maybe they need to stand out in the cold of december, ringing a bell in a santa suit. maybe they need to go home to an unheated house with bare cupboards, still hungry from there one meal a day at a soup kitchen. they need to go home to children who don't have dinner, children who had to sit in an office
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during recess because their family could not afford to get them a coat that winter. maybe donald trump and paul ryan need to spend the night on a foldout couch, snuggled up next to their families for warmth, only to wake up the next day and do it all over again. thank you for listening. [applause] >> i am the managing director of the poverty to prosperity program at the center for american progress. it's my privilege to introduce and moderate a discussion among a distinguished panel of experts. presidenttein is the of the center on budget and policy priorities which he founded in 1981, and formerly served as administration of the
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food and nutrition service at the u.s. department of agriculture under president carter. he's also a recipient of the macarthur fellowship. right is the director of research and collective bargaining, where he oversees the union collective bargaining health and pension benefits and the development and public policy and health care. royster is the political director of people communities through organizing. this is a national network of congregations representing 60 different denominations and state traditions across 150 cities and 17 states. he's also senior pastor and founder emeritus of irving waters united church of christ in philadelphia, one of my favorite cities. the managerlor is of witnesses to hunger, a research and advocacy project founded in philadelphia
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originally and spreading to other cities. witnesses partners with the real experts on hunger, mothers and caregivers of young children who have experienced hunger and poverty and used photography to frame the issues most important to them and their children. she's also an award-winning writer. last but not least, steve savner is the director of public policy at the center for community change, which sponsored the writing fellow program that stephanie participates in. is focused on building the power and capacity of low income workers to change their communities and public policies for the better, and he has a long career fighting for policies to help working families. that was a mouthful. thank you for bearing with me. this is a panel that deserves to be lauded a little bit worried i want to get right back down to it. we've heard a lot so are about thatmportance of policies are critical to working families
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as well as programs that support them when wages aren't enough. from stephanie we also heard a bit from neera and her conversation with greg sargent about the promises that trump made when he was campaigning too many of those workers. steve, i want to start with you by asking, do you think trump keep those elaborate? ve: what concerns me about mr. trump, we probably should not listen to him as much as we should watch him. neera spoke about some of his cabinet keep those promises to e jobs and make life better for working families at the head of a workers' party? would you care to appointees, ae direction that process has taken us. i think we can step back a bit from trump. much more's actually of a product or consistent with the modern republican party more
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generally. he's really not a radical actor other than his rhetoric. by that i mean the republicans right now have a vision of governance which is that they believe the purpose of government is to facilitate commerce and the making of money, with the believe that the more when it -- money we make in society, the more that will trickle down. they may reject that characterization. the democratic party is much muddleda much more message, and i don't think it's monolithic. what it ought to be at its core is that government ought to be used to deal with what economists call externality. we ought to mitigate some of the unintended consequences and adverse effects of our capitalist system so all can be lifted up. we ought to have clean water and air. we ought to deal with climate change. those are democratic principles because we recognize if we continue just search for commercial developments, or products, we won't address those
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societal problems. if we bring that to the working class, it's a broader issue than the working class. we know we have a labor secretary nominee who doesn't haveve in labor --, we someone at the epa who doesn't believe in environmental regulation. we can go on and on and on three days cabinet appointees. but what do they really mean? it means that those of us in society who don't have independent means and wealth will not have the opportunities to succeed and get ahead. i believe this trump administration as part of a broader republican agenda that just blind eye towards a society that considers economic justice, human rights, and the plicitality that are com in capitalist systems. rebecca: bob, i want to turn to you next.
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done a number of public appearances over the past few weeks where you have spoken very boldly about in your 30 to 40-year career, working on these issues, you've never seen a greater threat to safety net programs, which is stephanie discussed, are there for people when wages are not enough for work is not possible. why have you characterized what we are seeing is the greatest threat to these programs, and particularly, following the election of a man who claimed and promised he would not cut social security, medicare, medicaid, and so forth? bob: i'm not sure he promised that he would never cut medicaid. if you look at the whole let's start with last year's house republican budget. and some of the budget proposals
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that president-elect trump issued during the campaign that are on his website. we know that a significant part of the budget that has a wonky inside the beltway term, nondefense discretionary programs, it means everything in the budget outside the fence that isn't an entitlement program that has in it rental assistance that we talked about. it hasit has education, job tra, the enforcement of labor standards, the enforcement of environmental standards, child care, all of these are part of the budget. it's been cut in recent years. where we are now heading is, at best, towards the forward budget cuts under what is called sequestration taking effect for the first time, starting in october, that would take total funding for this important part of the budget to it lower level on record with dating back to
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1962. however, the house republican budget of last year and the proposedpaign proposal to cut this part of the budget way below the sequestration level, almost 30% below the sequestration level by the end decade. we're talking about pretty in areas like education, child care, housing assistance, and a variety of other things. then you come to some of the where peoplece, who work for low wages or lose their jobs during recessions. they fight health care coverage under medicaid, food assistance snap, these programs are set up in a way that there are minimum national eligibility and benefit standards.
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eligible, if you fall on hard times you lose your job in a recession, you are put on a waiting list, you get the assistance. if need goes up, programs respond automatically. last year's house republican budget would have gutted the structure of both of those programs. this goes beyond repealing the affordable care act and converting his programs into block grants or mechanisms where there is a fixed amount of money each day of the year that does not keep pace with need, for example, doesn't keep pace with health care costs, and it doesn't respond when needed increases, for example, in a recession. last year's republican budget took about $1 trillion over 10 years in cuts out of health care and food assistance for low income families, by blocking granting these programs on top of the same things from her -- repealing the affordable care act, to help coverage expansions, which were primarily
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overwhelmingly for working people. and, trump has essentially endorsed locke granting the medicaid program since the election. if you put all of these pieces together -- i've been working in this area since the early 1970's -- i don't remember any time when there was a simultaneous assault on so many of these key supports for people who are unemployed, who work for low wages, have a hard time making ends meet, all at the same time. it kind of adds insult to injury that alongside this, our proposals for some of the biggest tax cuts at the top that we have seen in modern memory. really huge cuts for people who work for low wages and struggle to make ends meet.
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rebecca: you've terrified everyone in this room sufficiently. i want to turn to you. help us understand a little bit, something that is often framed as -- in dichotomy terms. there's often a discussion that happens about workers and a discussion that happens about the so-called poor, as though they are different conversations or should be, and often the to questions i just ask of steve and bob are rarely seated next to each other and happening in the same room. is there really a dichotomy between so-called workers and so-called the poor, and is there actually a relationship between -- we just heard from the 2 speakers before you. largely, there is no distention between people in the working class and working poor and people who are poor.
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most people who receive public assistance, whether it's food stamps or snap or medicaid, medicaid is in public assistance, it is health insurance -- most people who receive it are out of the labor market or in low-wage jobs, and i think it's a false the station to be making. there are a set of people who are in deep poverty with limited opportunities and live in communities that have been this invested disproportionately, african-american and immigrants, but the broad characteristic, and i think feeds into a story really arty is function of personal responsibility and the failure of people to act appropriately. and that's just not true. we know that's not true. we know that people who get much of the public assistance that they want to cut are in and out of the labor market. we are not talking about 2 distinct sets of people. we are talking about a mass of people who are struggling to
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find stability in the labor market that is changing dramatically and which doesn't provide stability in wages and compensation for the most workers. i think it's not the way to be looking at this. aboutk the tragedy is thatin the 1990's there is a very conscious effort to blame people of color and poor people for the insecurity and fear the working people frequently have because the economy is changing and their security is threatened by what's going on in the labor market, and we all know this story and it's difficult to combat. i think we have seen it most extremely during the current campaign and visibility and enabling of the white as part of the coalition of people and voters who vote for trump. rebecca: as we start to look forward -- dwayne, as we start
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to look forward at how progressives can effectively defend working-class voters, many of whom did place their bets on donald trump to save their jobs and make their lives better, how do we start to build a coalition that bridges that divide so it isn't an us and them or two groups where a level of resentment has been fueled really by folks on the other side of the aisle trying to divide and conquer? the p go national networks largest faith-based organizing network in the country. we represent multifaith. we have a vast diversity of people. black, white, native american, folko, asian, and white that are all a part of our coalition of work. you represented by 2 million
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families across the nation. something that is critical in is not to run from race, but run into race. part of the challenge is that this has racialized moment. he's used a lot of dog whistle language to be able to really get working-class white folks to be afraid, and part of the challenge of progressives in this moment is we have to be able to help working-class white folk understand that they have more in common with working-class of black folk and working-class latino folk and working-class native folk and working-class asian folk than they do the 1%ers or oligarchs or whatever term's popular at this moment to define those that are really in the trump camp rig ht now. i think it's very critical that we understand that we don't have to sort of do flavor of the month activities in terms of working on policies, and we can't abandon race in this
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moment. in terms of a civil rights agenda -- we have to do racial and economic justice at the same time, and we have to really begin to disabuse america of this notion that somehow or undocumented immigrants whose families are full of dignity and worth and value, or really tearing up the fabric of this nation, or that african-american families who have dishes for hundreds of years, whose backs have been beaten in building this country, are somehow criminal or all out to destroy or various communities, native communities. we have to be able to remind people that these are all have worth, they have value. they bring a lot to the american table. not just white folk do that.
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we have to have a conversation all communities together, and not run from race or try to become race neutral, but run to itwe have to have a conversation that talks about policies, child care for all families that about and have a conversation the impact of race in this country. everybody's got pain. we need to be very clear that part of the trauma we are dealing with right now is an racialized fin of racial oppression that existed in this country since it's very founding. rebecca: michelle, a big part of what your organization, witnesses to hunger, does is to bring people who they themselves have been impacted by these policies, by wages, lifeline bringss like nutrition, those people together and elevates their voices. what can we as progressives andn from witnesses' model,
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how can your organization and others serving that same goal and working in that same way be part of building a movement that fights back against this onslaught? michelle: i think so much of this is about destigmatizing poverty and a language we use. everybody in this room is on welfare at some point and everyone has experienced it. everybody gets some form of social welfare and if anybody studied social welfare policy, they know this. someone receiving 160 dollars a month over one year gets way less than somebody taking a mortgage tax credit, which is welfare. remind yourself of that. your student loan tax credit is welfare. all these things you get for having a child is welfare. when we start to change the conversation to to thinking about those people over there and all of us here and how we
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all benefit from the government wanting to provide social welfare benefits, we can start to think about this anymore humane way. witnesses to hunger presents a human face. we can say in philadelphia there is a 26% poverty rate. but what the site look like? -- does that look like? have you spoken to anybody who lives the effects of that on a daily basis? one of the things we have to do in these conversations is separating poor from working. stop with the language of, no one who works 40 hours a week lives in poverty. no one should live in poverty. full stop. when we have that conversation, we are forcing this idea that work is the solution to everyone's problems and that is not it. what if you are disabled? what if you are unable to leave your home because you are an agoura folk? -- agorophobe? we are talking about the wages we pay people, america has never recovered from funding itself in a way that did not include free
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labor costs. as we've mentioned you have a country that was founded on genocide and enslavement. you reap what you so, and here we are. finally seeing what centuries of perpetrating this approach to human beings is starting -- every day he tells another lie. lockheed martin lost $4 billion. this is where we are in our world. so how do we work against that? we have to get the organizations that are on the ground to support them. fear, funding for our organization. how do we get the funding to continue to elevate and amplify the voices of the true expert? we can have poverty panels. these are all experts who have
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-- they are valued for their intelligence. why don't we value the experiences and narrative of people who actually live in poverty? that's what we have to do, we have to get into the communities, talk to people and see what they need and stop projecting our own do-gooder, this is what we think they need so let's give them this. of witnesses to hunger have expressed there is some issues with the school lunch program. there are some children who on fridays they can take a book bag home filled with food and they take it home for the weekend. people are like, that is the way of the future. saying, what is the psychological impact of giving a child a bag of food to take home that they will have to share with their family, and they become responsible for feeding their family at the ages of 7, 8, and 9? what if they live in a violent neighborhood where they can be
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attacked f and have thato -- attacked and have that food stolen? have these conversations so we can pick up on these kinds of things, and understand there is more to poverty than the facts and figures. these are real people. if we do more than that, i think we will get somewhere. rebecca: one of the threads throughout this post election analysis period we have all been living through has been around how do we communicate more effectively, how do we communicate in different ways than maybe we have then that will have a better chance at reaching people who maybe did not hear a progressive message and saying, that's the answer to my problem. we are simultaneously realizing that we are also living in a post-truth world, which is merriam-webster's word of the year.
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in a world where fake news is beating out real news and facts and figures, how do folks inves, how do organizations like the center for american progress where we are so accustomed to thinking facts and figures will win the day because they are true, how do we live in this new world in a way that is going to reach people who haven't been won over with facts and figures? values.ve to live our and that's about commitment. nion, what unites us. this is a very diverse union. we are majority women. we have all different races, different immigration status, different sexual orientations. none of that matters. we are united around specific goals, and we worked together well. people may have individual views about all sorts of things, but
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we know what unites us. i think more generally speaking, people who are workers in this country understand what it is a broad seeking on societal basis for themselves. a better life for themselves and their children. often times i think what we found on the progressive side is our economic message gets awfully confusing and muddled. diwould be wrong for us to smiss president obama's obsession with the transpacific art are shipped as not having an impact on this election. i say that not as criticism of president obama or tpp, but it undermines the economic message, as most working people were hearing it. what we have to understand is that people are looking for a commitment. they are for somebody who's willing to fight for their values. it's not always about a nuance in the political system. we often answer simple questions with 5 paragraphs because it is so nuanced and difficult.
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we need to figure out a much more straight-line way of communicating. we do that often times in the labor movement. how do you transfer that kind of communication, is sometimes a closed system, to a more open type ofhow do you transfer thatf debate? i think what it means at the beginning of this statement, it's about living our values and having a clear set an understanding of what those are, and trying to ensure we have a consensus around them. i think most people want what we claim progressives want, which is a fair and just society, where people are not exploited, which is nurturing. we want that. we have a number of federal policies in place to get us there. some are being undermined and have been undermined. we are about to embark on a journey where literally 80 years of consensus policy, adopted the new deal, is at stake.
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communicating that with facts and figures and charts is not always the best way to do it. i think it's more visceral than that for a lot of folks. when we communicate with members of our union, we try to make it as real and accessible for them as possible so they understand how it affects pocketbook issues, how it affects their neighbors and the services we provide. a tremendous commitment of what they do on their jobs. most people take a lot of pride in their work. pride in their work. and, we have to listen to them and give them that pride. oftentimes we are dismissive of many of these concerns in search of a bigger agenda. we have to get much more basic on our communication, and have credibility with our economic message. rebecca: turning back to you, bob, i don't think probably anyone in this room has get your the signs,
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government hands off my medicare, which have come to serve as symbols of this submerged state. people are unaware of the programs and policies they benefit from, and not even just the sense of the home mortgage interest deduction. for example, even receiving health insurance that comes for from the federal government. how do we accomplish the goals oft steve just laid out helping people to understand that the safety net, as it is often called, is actually for them, and an attack on the safety net like we are expecting to see under a trump and ryan regime, is an assault on workers. marry think we have to improved ways of communicating, some of the things steve was talking about.
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we can't give up on those. rebecca: not the defense of -- defensive facts and figures. bob: if we look at the campaign we just had, trump had very few specific policy. just lots of fuzz and big rhetoric. when the president begins to put proposals forward, there are specific proposals voted on on the hill. is tof all of our job analyze them, look at what they do, and communicate that effectively. let me give you a bit of an analogy. 5 there was, in 201 ultimately successful effort for congress to make permanent improvements for working families through the earned income tax credit, and the child tax credit. we found when we began early in
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2015 to talk to various particularlymbers, in the house, generally they and their staff were under the impression, oh, this is a low income program, it's primarily for the cities. , a larger share of households get the earned income tax credit in rural areas than urban areas because wage rates tend to be lower in rural areas. d a number of these offices were stunned when you showed them the actual figures. i think in the period ahead, whatever the policy or program it is that's under attack, it serves low income working families, we have to put the information together. what does it do locality by locality? what does it do in these rural, economically challenged areas,
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where there were big votes for president-elect trump, but areas in which people often rely on these programs to a greater degree than people in urban areas do. we haven't succeeded -- i'm not sure we have tried hard enough to really communicate that. and that leads to the second part, which is as specific types come on the table, we need everything from human stories of what they would do to actual information and data that bring it home to people in rural areas, index urban areas, -- exurban areas, where people work low wages, to counter the false impression that it doesn't and otherm at all, people that don't look like them that they don't think they want
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to help, not even understanding the degree to which so many of these kinds of and other people that don't look like them thatsupport and other kinds of assistance are fundamental fo rthem. -- for them. doing not only the normal kind of analysis, but since many of the cuts are likely to come either in apprporiated programs ,hat are effectively granted or, if a program like medicaid is not granted, states have to live within the inadequate funds and they are the ones who make specific cuts. we have to communicate where this is coming from, which are these decisions out of washington, should they be made. finally, i do think we need to tie this to some of the debates on tax policy starting next month. the bill that is expected to come before congress next month theppeal the guts of affordable care act that the
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urban center said would likely raise the number of uninsured by 30 million people, this bill includes a provision to repeal the application of the medicare tax, the tax that goes right into the medicare hospital insurance trust fund, on the investment income of very wealthy people. this provision if enacted will mean that a worker making $60,000 a year has to continue paying their medicare tax on all of their wages while somebody making $5 million a year in capital gains and dividends doesn't pay any medicare tax. i don't think that would be particularly popular, especially alongside paul ryan's claims. medicare's in trouble, it's going bankrupt. you're going to advance that method out of one side of your mouth, but on the other side saying people should be absolved of paying their own share to
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support the medicaid program, you are going to do that while refusing to raise minimum wage, which makes more working people foodble for programs like assistance. at the same time you will come back and cut food assistance. savner, i'm going to ask you what i view as the million-dollar question right now. a lot of progressives have been very reluctant to normalize trump, because there is a view that by legitimizing his presidency, that carries risk and consequences we don't want to be responsible for, or part of. at the same time, i will confess great fear, that if we continue to spend a lot of time paying attention to the sideshow of what did he tweet this morning, it's going to leave a lot of republicans to
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push through a major piece of legislation that would slash social security benefits.such a piece of legislation was introduced just last week. which side do you land on? do we normalize, or do we not? steve: it's up to us. to have incredible power, and i think we need to deal with that grade the way we deal with that is to call him out, both the lies he's told and the things that he has said he supports which are really not in the interests of working people. i think it's both, things he said he wasn't honest about and things he was honest about but are simply not good for people, including the people who he claims to be supporting. i think that -- i completely agree that we can't immediately tweet het up in every
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sends out, but we have to recognize us a different kind of communication and mobilization than we are used to from high elected officials. on the communication question, part of the problem we have in our research at the center for community change has shown, we need to be connecting with people based on shared values, and that's the starting point. we need facts and figures, we need an analysis of how proposals are going to benefit and hurt various people, but the starting price wasn't the shared value. it's about family, community, fairness, opportunity. all of those are things that most americans can connect to, and once you make that connection, you can start telling a story about what's going on and help them think about it clearly. part of the other thing, and bob said this in an implicit way, or
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maybe explicit, the benefits of the policies of republicans and trump are talking about are not going to go to the working people. they will go to rich people and corporations. they want block grants because it saves money and helps pay for their tax cuts. there is a story we need to tell that has appeal across the board. campaign, there are corporate interests and wall street interests who want tax who want more money, who
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want less regulation because it benefits them and does not benefit working people. we want to be able to tell that story. i think the last thing in the most challenging is that we can't shy away from race, we have to talk about how that has harmed and continues to harm african-americans in this country, african-american core communities, and we need to have a frank conversation and deal with folks who don't share those views in a direct way. talk about common and shared values, it's 100 years of history that will not be overcome quickly or easily. we can't all be about the 1% and the 99%. it's got to be about who's been harmed by the structures of this company since -- country since its founding, and the prejudice now whipped up against blacks and immigrants and people of color, generally. rebecca: before i turn it over to audience q&a, i want to turn one last question over to bishop dwayne and michelle. at a point when economic power is now controlled by an ever
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smaller number of incredibly powerful, incredibly rich corporations, how do we build up power bases in our communities and in a movement which is a huge part of what both of you are involved in, in a way that can counterbalance where the power is held currently in who is holding the strings on decisions that are getting made, establishment structures and national organizations based here in washington, d.c. connect with folks on the ground building those power bases? dwayne: we have to work closely together. we have to get the think tank folk in conversation with the the ground, and they need to be listening to each other. it's not in issue, and we've often said this in our own work, the best policy makers in our country are not the people sitting in high towers, but the people sitting in the projects, rural homes.
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if you want to ask what would take to get them out of poverty, you don't ask someone with a phd. you ask someone who is sitting in poverty what it would take to get them out. i find it interesting as we are sitting here having this conversation that we're talking about social security, medicare, medicaid. the day after the election, stocks and private prisons of 300%. we are going to use the misery of dark skinned bodies, african-americans and undocumented immigrants from around the nation, to build the economy in some communities because we're going to increase the use of private prisons. the president-elect said he will deport 2 to 3 million undocumented families who came here for the very same reason that the majority of white
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here,ies acme here -- came to get a better life, but we will take those folks, throw them in private prisons, we are going to make a lot of money of f of that, increase those contracts. coming out of a city where we continue to fight against stop and frisk, we understand there's a lot of folk in the legal system were making a lot of money off of people being stopped and frisked. we cannot allow donald trump to be normalized to any means because the very things he's trying to do in this country will destroy this country, and especially those communities that are struggling and experiencing some level of pain. that we are all figuring out how to work together, how to listen to one another, how to be able to arm one another -- inform one another, that we are out marching together, wrestling together. we have to help our progressive
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leadership in the house and senate, and even sometimes when it appears they want to cut deals, not to cut deals. when you cut they have to hold the line and continue to lift up a moral message that really challenges the decisions being made that are only benefiting a few instead of the majority. >> i agree with everything you just said. and education is so important on listening to what everyone on the panel is saying. i understand it because of my own educational background. we have to make sure that we are communicating with people the way they are but we need the facts and the figures because that is where the proof is but if people can't reach us they won't understand what any of it means so how do we translate that in a way that makes sense for people? yes, we have to talk about racism.
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it is the foundation of all of this. it is why a poor white person will believe that they deserve food stamps and a poor black person is a moocher. it is how trump gets elected. i know they say you not supposed to talk about racism but you absolutely have to. why did white women vote for trump? racism. that is a big part of it. it is not necessarily about the economic insecurity as they were economically insecure and have been forever. the rust belt vote, the poverty and the struggle -- this is not just an obama thing. this is generations of their family ever since they were competing with slave labor. they know what this is and they want to put it and frame it in this way because they lack the
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education that teaches them how this came to be and how they and their families and up being in the situations that they are. they listened to the rhetoric and the fake news because they are susceptible to it and they lack the knowledge they need to combat it. we have to prioritize, on both sides, education about this process of participating in america as a citizen because when you have progressives voting for hillary and voting down ballot and not hearing the names, people on that down ballot are just as bad as someone going and voting for trump indirectly. we have to make sure that when we are sending people to vote, to sit on jury duty, that is one of the scariest things that we have, people judging other people's lives and they don't know anything about the law. all they are doing is going with their gut. we need to work on that and we are not going to communicate with each other until we start talking seriously about racism, sexism, queerphobia and everything that fuels both sides because it is about preservation of resources so when progressives act like there is not racism, there is absolutely
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racism that is disgusting and in my opinion that is worse than what we see from the gop because we hide it. they act like they are not racist. when we educate people in those ways we are not going anywhere and that is how trump happens and that is how this continues to happen, calling someone a white nationalist is redundant. the only people who have access to nationalism in this country are white people. >> i would be remiss about steve kreisberg, talking about unions where they exist today. >> it is indicated before as one of the few institutions that is diverse in all senses.
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we have a special obligation. the fact of the matter is the republican party has long appreciated us more than the democratic party. we have been the target of republican attacks because they we have a special obligation. recognize the power of working people coming together and yet there has been a new progressive -- the new democrats who don't see the value of collective bargaining and don't see the value of labor. it is the only institution where workers can exercise power on their own by joining together. everything else is filtered through a political system and the political system doesn't always work well for us. the judicial system even works worse. the institution of collective bargaining's preserved and strengthened, we are now facing the likelihood of a 50-year-old supreme court precedent being reversed. not just roe versus wade. we might see it throughout the private sector. these are intentional mechanisms to undermine the power of labor. when you have the governor of a
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state, nikki haley now being our nominee as un ambassador, using the power of her state to defeat unions in a private corporation, that boeing plan, when you see the state of tennessee, u.s. senators as well as the government undermining the right of workers to organize, we have a serious problem. we have a law in this country that says the policy of the federal government is to promote collective bargaining but we have a party that is antagonistic to it and we oftentimes have a democratic party that is complicit in silence and a lack of value for collective bargaining. it has proven to be a bulwark in the defense of democracy and it will prove to be so here and the republicans recognize that and we need the democrats to
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recognize it with greater vigor. >> the moment has arrived. we are running a few minutes over because we started late, so thank you for bearing with me recognize it with greater vigor. but audience questions, raise your hand if you've got one and a mic will come over to you. >> my name is jim webster, i used to publish newsletters about agriculture in rural america but my biggest claim to fame is working with bob grinstead. my question is when does buyers remorse set in in small-town and rural america? >> when they realize what is happening and that goes back to education. as trump begins to name these people, a lot of those folks don't know who those people are and they don't know the impact that these folks have had in their individual places so when we get these articles out, here are five things you need to know about this person, maybe people will hear more and become more
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familiar and start realizing, wait a minute, these people are exactly who we didn't want but now, folks are just saying, who? >> any other add-ons? >> it is already starting. even though he has yet to take office, because of what he is doing, some of the decisions he is making, people are saying, what do we do across alterable communities that did not vote for him or did vote for him, it is already beginning to kick in. >> it could also be affected by the state of the economy. it will come more quickly if a recession come sooner. it will be difficult for a trump administration to blame the next recession on obama but i'm sure they will try. but i do think what happens to
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the overall economy will have an impact on this and we have to see there are a series of policies that trump talked about during the campaign that many economists believe would accelerate recession. >> i got a hand here in the front. >> good morning. i would have considered myself a hubert humphrey liberal to put me politically in perspective, and i have the following questions. it is about thinking of corporate america as monolithic. i am wondering if the progressives don't need to find more alliances within various business and corporate communities? the affordable care act was supposed to hurt small business. i don't know if it did or it didn't.
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if it did you need to find a way in to make it better when they are trying to dismantle it and have small business people petition to the new small business chairman. if it didn't, then, as an example, that needs to be touted by small business. in north carolina, we have a democratic governor because corporate america weighed in so strongly on some of what h.b. 2 had. in communities like philadelphia, you have universities and corporations. not all of whom are averse to a hubert humphrey agenda. don't you need to find new partners? >> that is a fantastic question and a very apt one for this conversation, particularly with the assault on the affordable care act and food stamps, which
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walmart doesn't want to see cut any more than folks on the stage. >> first of all, the folks who worked to build support for the afford will care act relied very strongly on small business and they were very outspoken. many of them were outspoken. i do think that there are specific corporations, businesses, small businesses who will speak up on a number of these issues either because it is in their self-interest -- like agricultural interests supporting food stamps because it expands demand for the goods -- but i don't think we are living in a bubble to recognize that groups like the chamber of commerce and the nfib and the national retailers association have incredible power and are working every day against workers rights and workers
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well-being and security. i think that we should look for corporate and small business allies but ultimately, i think the main alliances that we need to build our among working-class people, multiracial organizing efforts, to build political power for people who don't have power. >> i saw a hand over here. >> thank you so much. thank you all for coming out here and chatting with us. i have a quick question to you backing on the previous question. it is about how, as progressives, we all have our individual bases. we work for climate change, to protect the safety net, we work in support of lack lives matter. we have support of immigration. how do we, as progressives, come together despite our very
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passionate focus on our individual issues, particularly as we probably suspect that the trump administration is going to want to start taking off -- picking off different groups. how do we maneuver through that particular landscape? >> how do we break down silos? >> we are a broad-based organization so we work on multiple issues, we don't do siloed work. one of the things we have been challenging our colleagues is we are all fighting the same people. every fight that you have, whether it is around mass incarceration or undocumented immigrants or childcare issues or voter suppression and voter id laws, it is the exact same folks. we have to think in a way that
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-- we don't like to use military terms -- but we have to build an army. essentially, learning how to attack and maintain vigilance against the opponents of the very issues that we work against. and not allow ourselves to be picked off one by one. as long as we stay in silos, it is easy to crush a silo. if you are big enough, you crush it. what we ultimately have to become is a wheel, which is i might not be working on your issue today, that we are working together on the same issue with the same people and we will begin to turn the tide when we keep rolling. it is very difficult to stop a wheel and you can have multiple issues in that wheel simultaneously. we have to get out of our silos and understand that what we are fighting against is not necessarily policies and issues but we are fighting against a
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mindset and a narrative about what this country ought to look like and we need a collective mindset to talk about what this country looks like where every family in this nation can fly and not just barely survive. >> i think what is also really important is self reflection and confronting our own biases. a lot of times we work for one issue but we might have biases against other people. we have to confront issues of anti-immigration and islamophobia, views that happen within the social justice work. the other part is understanding that every single issue has multilayers. if you are talking about environmental activists and you have to talk about poverty, we have to confront issues of racism, sexism, we talk about poverty and mental health and it is all these things so if we recognize that they are so
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multilayered we can come together on those and connect on those points. we cannot have those conversations until we confront multilayered we can come the things getting in the way of us being able to communicate. >> fantastic words to end on. thank you for joining me. >> [applause] >> in about 45 minutes, secretary jeh johnson talks about a range of security issues inserting -- including global security and terrorism. we will have that live for you at 6 p.m. eastern on c-span. earlier today, -- later today in wisconsin, donald trump in one of his victory rallies. we will have it live tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span. earlier today at trump tower in new york, the president-elect came to the capture after a brief meeting with kanye west.
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after their meeting, mr. west tweeted that i feel it is important to ever direct line of communication with our future president if we truly want change. here is their photo op after the meeting today. >> just friends, just friends. he's a good man. it went well. we have been friends for a long time. >> no comment about your meeting with the president-elect? >> i just want to take a picture right now.
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>> also at trump tower today, microsoft founder bill gates headlined in the hill. jason miller offered no additional details about the meeting, but he pointed to see cnbc's interview where the philanthropist had good things to say about trump and innovation at thehill.com. >> just a quick comment. we had a good conversation about innovation. health, education, impact of energy and and
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wide range of conversation about innovation. thank you. >> follow the transition of government on c-span as president-elect donald trump selects his cabinet and the republicans and democrats prepare for the next congress. we will take you to key events as they happen without interruption. watch live on c-span. watch on-demand that c-span.org or listen on our free c-span radio app. >> c-span's washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up wednesday morning, former indiana congressman democrat tim roemer and ray laho od will be on to discuss their efforts in a bipartisan group of former officials wanting to
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reduce the power of money in politics. and then senator bob graham will talk about the news of the day and a book he co-authored, offering citizens towards to make government more responsive. and michaelpolitics. warren will join us to discuss republican efforts to repeal the affordable care act in 2017. watch c-span's washington journal beginning at 7:00 eastern wednesday morning. join the discussion. a tuesday round table, we will spend our next hour focusing on vice president mike pence and the role he will play in the incoming trunk administration -- trump administration. we are joined by two reporters who covered mike pence over the years. tony cook joins us in indianapolis, indiana. the reporter with the "indianapolis star." in studio with tim alberta with the "national review." i know you traveled with
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mike pence during the campaign and a one story that got attention, you wrote that mike pence went to a political recasting that makes him "a study and. contradiction" whatever -- a study and contradiction."what are the sides of mike pence ? guest: it was interesting to watch and strike a balance between staying true to himself and not only the lawmaker he has been throughout his career and politician he has been, but the person he is, the type of man he is and the morals he has talked about for years as being central to his dna, politically and otherwise. trying to balance that with being true and loyal to his running mate, donald trump, who in many ways is the polar opposite of my parents in terms of their personal lives and the paths they have taken to the respective positions and policies.
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it is interesting to watch, but mike pence has a great deal of respect for donald trump and i've used -- and he views his role as being the subordinate. he will give the vice president to donald trump, and i think mike pence wants to not go public with any disputes at the can help it and wants to try to keep things in house doesn't want to be seen as a rabble-rouser internally, someone contradicting or butting heads with donald trump. when there aree, disagreements, as there have been, he feels a need to the two to himself and make his voice heard. at times, that lends to contradictions and complex pilot about. -- complexity i talk about. host: tony cook, why did donald pence?ick mike what did he bring from his time
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in indiana? pence hasl, governor always been or has always described himself as christian, conservative and republican, in that order. he really appeals to that based on the republican party and that christian conservative base, and i think trump probably viewed him as a very important bridge .o the group of voters governor perry also has a lot of experience on the hill. i think we have seen that in some of trump's choices for his cabinet. we can see some of mike pence's influence, i got familiar with how things work in washington and from -- and trump with no governing experience, really needed that to round out his ticket. i think those are the two main things that parents -- that mike pence brings to the ticket. host: our lines are open for
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viewers if you have questions or comments about mike pence. republicans, (202)-748-8001. democrats, (202)-748-8000. independents, (202)-748-8002. one of the things we want to do is allow our viewers to listen to mike pence in his own words talk about the stories that have influenced him, the issues that matter to him. had one oftimes he these discussions was that the political conservative action conference last year. he talks about where he came from and his concerns with where the obama administration has led the united states. let's listen. [video clip] built a gasmy dad station business in southern indiana. politics as ad in democrat, when i heard the voice of the 40th president of the united states, it changed for me. i lived the dream of becoming a
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congressman from that small town and now i serve as governor as the -- for the great state of indiana. [laughter] -- [applause] i served 12 years in congress and if i only had 12 years that to live, i would want to live as a member of congress because that was the longest 12 years of my life. [laughter] [applause] the truth is we have not had a government as good as her people in washington, d.c., for some time. it is worse today than ever before. the errors of this administration are too numerous to count, but there is the government takeover of health care, or now the internet, the president's unconstitutional executive amnesty or the war on coal. the administration is threatening our prosperity. most americans understand you cannot improve health care by
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ordering every american to buy health insurance, whether wanted, needed or not. you cannot expect the to thrive under unjustifiable regulations. you cannot change the laws of the land by executive fiat and you cannot build an energy policy by raising the cost of electricity and working americans. it should almost go without saying obama must be repealed, the fcc's rules must be reversed, the president's executive action rescinded and the epa's war on american energy must end. was given speech before mike pence was picked to be part of the trump-pence ticket. how many of those priorities have survived the nomination process and joining the trump ticket? pence is that the same we see today? -- is that the same pence we see today? guest: i think it is.
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he hits all the right notes and he does so effortlessly in front of a republican crowd. i like to ask a republican politician, especially someone running for office for the first time, what is the one issue where you are not a conservative? everyone has one. i do know that mike pence doesn't have an issue. this guy checks the list. he has referred to himself as a party before, and that is only to say that at the time he is not agreed with the republican party doing the latter half of the bush administration but it is because he was to the right of the party, not the left. basically you heard governor pence talking about in that speech that those are priorities he will continue to push in the trump administration. host: that was to an national audience at cpac last year. tony, can you talk about mike
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pence's track record and the issues he has made a priority that our national viewers may not know much about? sure. social issues have definitely dominated much of his time as governor in indiana. although he ran for governor on an economic platform, once he got into office, the legislature sent him measures such as the abortion restriction enacted in indiana last year. the year before that, it was the religious freedom restoration act in indiana, which many people felt was anti-gay. those kinds of issues have dominated his time here, although he insisted that jobs and the economy has been his focus. he also enacted pretty sweeping health care -medicaid expansion 2.0,diana calledh hip
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which are think is important as rheumatoid is ahead for obamacare. here in indiana, what he did was he instituted changes that would essentially require people to contribute some, even though they are on medicaid. he sees this, as the governor, and that is something that the responsibilityl is something he takes seriously when it comes to health care. i think as are some of the important things to know about him in indiana. host: i should note, a special on for indiana residents, specifically, so that line is (202)-748-8003. otherwise, republicans, (202)-748-8001. democrats, (202)-748-8000.
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independents, (202)-748-8002. for most ofhe topic the rest of our program today. let's start with judy, las vegas, nevada. republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i would like to note mr. pence understands separation of church and state? host: tim alberta? guest: i think he does. i think governor pence if you are some here would argue that the establishment clause in the constitution is something that has been over interpretative by the left and something he believes is not as strict with practice or should be a someone on the left would say. that is an example of a governor in selecting in many views, especially when the comes to social issues or anything that can be construed as a tax on the christian
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conservative community, a theme throughout his career, where threat, rioe is a or perceived, to the values of social conservatives, evangelical christians, and you saw this a couple of years ago with the religious freedom fight in the state of indiana. he is veryt sensitive to that, so that is one issue among many others where he would be very outspoken in the way that maybe not all republicans would be. host: tony cook, you and tim to religiousht up freedom restoration act in indiana. will you explain that? guest: sure. was topose of this law protect those with strong thegious beliefs from
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sponsor's position, they wanted to protect religious believers from what they call government overreach and make sure they were free to exercise their religious beliefs. with the debate over whether a christian baker should be for aed to bake the cake gay wedding and those sorts of things, you know, that is where these conflicting values of religious conscience and ky -- gay-rights collided, so this would set judicial bar to her -- i amould be required trying to think had the best -- where a sorry judge would basically have to
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decide whether someone's exercise of their religion would be encouraged on by the government and it would set the bar in favor of religious believers, so people were worried that this would be allowing people people with religious [indiscernible] viewers to beour able to hear mike pence in his own words, so this past spring, speech on how he found his religious beliefs. there was that one of the colleges that he spoke at current one of their ceremonies, april 30, 2016. mike pence talking about how he found his religion. [video clip] mike pence: thin it began to meet people at college. yes.were confident, there are confident, yes, but they had something i lacked in my life. i knew in my heart of hearts that they had something to call
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.oy, in good times and in bad there seemed to be something in their life that was beyond them. and i felt the need in my life to embrace it. i will never forget one of the fellows, a pastor now in indianapolis and a close friend of mine, was talking to me about matters of faith and my resistance to that. i went up to him and said, i decided to say i am a christian and did the christian thing, right? so i told him i wanted to get one of those crosses you where -- wear. those look good. i bothered him about it. this is before you are doing this, he had a catalog to call and order a cross. i questioned him about it more than once and i will not forget the day i said, hey, men, i am
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going to go with that christian thing now, so get me that number . i want to call and get that cross like years and he turned to me and said words that impacted my life like a meteor strike. he doesn't even remember saying that to this day. he said, mike, remember, you have to wear it in your heart before you wear it around your neck. wear it in your heart before you wear it around your neck. and he walked away. i wrestled with those words for days that followed. i did not know what he meant but i knew there was truth in it. i found myself a few months ,ater in that spring, 1978 heard a sermon or two at a youth christian music festival in kentucky. i had always heard those words that god so loved the world he
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gave his only son. it hit me that night, that meant god so loved me that he gave his only son, and overall but the heart of gratitude, that night, i gave my life to jesus christ and it has made all the difference. host: i president-elect mike pence this past spring. we are taking your calls as we talk about the vice president-elect and his role in the trump administration. we want to get your thoughts and questions. houston, texas. republican. go ahead. --ler: i would like to know , and energygy wonk was absent from the trump-pence campaign. how do i get, should be done on energy?
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i think mike pence would be an leadlent choice to presidential energy, environmental policy deployment plans. how do i get involved in that? i have written policy, policy .eployment unlike to get it to trump-pence and see if they would consider it. i have no idea how to do that. tim alberta, do you see this as an avenue mike pence could take on, could energy make his place to make his mark? guest: i would told robert that drive tost bet is to manhattan and go to trump tower and wait in the lobby and try to get a packet of your work into the hands of one of many aides were running around in the
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lobby. i think it isn't a bad idea. i think governor pence will have some energy issues. when i talked to a lot of congressional republicans over the last few weeks, an open line to the transition team, some of whom served at governor pence and know him well, among many of these, energy is when discussed, or they talked about opening up some federal lands for drilling, much more offshore drilling, trying to sort of take more than an all of the above approach to energy exploration and loosening some regulatory restrictions they complained the obama administration had installed over the last eight years. i do think that is one area where governor pence could be active. i think you'll be active in a number of areas. this is a vice president will be given pretty broad area. host: hassey signaled which one he prefers?
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gues most powerful vice president in history. how is that? said, you mp's son would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy. that at the d at ime, but what is hugely appealing about his vice those who are nervous about donald trump himself, mike pence will be policy realm as vice president and have a hand n major legislative and regulatory initiative the administration undertakes over years. four host: line for indiana residents. bob is calling in, go ahead.
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caller: good morning. greetings from the home state of c-span and purdue university and brian lamb, he's done a years.ul job over the what i'm trying to call to reinsurance or an agreement with mike pence's style. a resident d him as and small business, i've been in business 40 years. happened to us with obamacare and the implementation the segment ion of of small business owners wishes and needs. where i hear pence being strong in our state is that he will the end user of the product and have input from not the medical world or the consulting world, but also from people who have to pay for the products. we all have been working under decreases and costs and e all have those of us in the insurance industry and i had a
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couple million dollars three years ago in the group medical a dozen groupsan were annihilated with all of the executive order actions and most carriers, i had three, folded. they just went out of business with six-month notice and let that if you had ive or 10 employees, as a distributor of healthcare, you're not even sitting at the table. so where i felt treated more airly, mike pence, is that he seems to come to the factories, he seems to come to the he seems to orld, come to the end student, if it is an educational matter. but in our case, small business owners, who have their own provide rying to healthcare and for years we've said, let's get health savings let people pay for part of this, the whole world is purdue up of universities or the factories.
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the individual small business person have a seat at the table. ear, elieve pence, as an is toward that. host: bob, thanks for the call from indiana. let you pick up that and and mike pence and ionship with business other interest in the state, is that the same mike pence you covering him? gues gues is t: yeah, mike pence definitely interested in, you businessman's perspective and i think that he pretty n that consistently here in indiana, though i would say perhaps not much as his predecessor, itch daniels, who was really known for his fiscal and more so than ies, governor pence has been. hat said, you know, governor
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pence has looked to cut taxes in here, part oficaid hat involved negotiation with the hospitals here in indiana, who of course, wanted to see so they would ed patients.nsured definitely had an ear to the business community, certainly. host: and donald trump's pick for secretary of state comes from the business community, announce third degree morning rex tillerson is his pick. mike pence made comments about tillerson, here is what he had to say. the other busy day here at transition, we're looking forward to more interviews and discussions and we just couldn't be more grateful that rex tillerson's proven leadership and been willing to step forward and serve our nation as next secretary of state. general john
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kelly, department of homeland ecurity, represent the caliber of experience the american people are coming to expect from the cabinet coming together around our president-elect and e're looking forward to more announcements this week, we'll be traveling with president-elect today to wisconsin as part of the thank-you tour. the work of assembling an and cabinet will be ready to make america great continues today. all.k you host: that was just outside of trump tower this morning. tim alberta, how much influence has mike pence had on the picks hat we've seen coming out of donald trump's future cabinet? guest: i think as much influence vice president in recent memory, quite frankly. look at tom price, for example, who is nominated to be the secretary of health and services, tom price is not only a medical doctor from
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eorgia and someone who has authored repeatedly over the ast i believe four congresss a comprehensive healthcare plan that could, in fact, be the blueprint for replacing obamacare. tom price happens to be one of mike pence's closest friends, served with him mike pence, way back when, chaired republican study committee, which for a long time before the house reedom caucus came along, was sort of the home base for the most conservative members in the house of representatives, mike chairman of that group. the way the group works is leads, y once a chairman he essentially helps to handpick he succeeding chairman of that group. mike pence, when he left, two years later, wound up coming helped to handpick tom price, guys with extremely close relationships. coincidence when there is an opening and hhs is not ust another cabinet position, when the number one policy
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promise arguably of the incoming dministration to repeal and replace obamacare, hhs secretary is large role. coincidence mike pence's best friend and closest olitical allie is the guy chosen for that role. that has mike pence's it.erprints all over host: we discussed mike pence in this, our last hour of "washington journal." residents, 202-748-8003, want to hear your stories. republicans, democrats and independents, as usual. chad in augusta, georgia, a democrat. chad, good morning. caller: good morning. was one of the bernie sanders voters and i've been talking to aboutof other millennials mike pence and his role in donald trump's administration. e are all kind of worried because we fear something like bush, where you get most of the policy position, serious policy position from and our major concern is
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that pence seems to be someone is religious idealog, and seems to be getting a lot of believes and his policy positions straight from his eligious doctrine and i am concerned that he doesn't understand separation from church and state and he's not out for the best interest of americans as a catering to ther evangelicals and my concern is a gets that really group going is policies that are and more sive inclusive of minority and lgbt seems like they are -- to the freedoms being expanded to all. host: chad, got your point. tony cook, let you speak to this we learn from mike pence's track record in indiana. yeah.
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any time that pence seeing religious freedom conflicting with gay rights, his errs record shows that he on the side of religious freedom. i think that stems from his religious beliefs that we heard him talking about earlier program. so, you know, he sees these as conflicting, values es conflicting and he feels that when balancing that because, you know, freedom of religion is in the constitution that is the side you ought to err on. see this as, you know, forging his religious on other people, he sees it as sticking closely to the constitution. and of course, you know, that is open for debate, but i think way he views it, at
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least. independent in rich. good morning. caller: good morning. i just want to comment. hope that mike pence and help people can with christian faiths, because here, the radio stations and the news networks, technology that nobody knows about that they are using christians and something has to be done about it. go to e'll donaldsonville, louisiana, effrey, an independent, good morning. caller: yes, sir, good morning. just like to say, as before, give thanks, the bible says give thanks and due to those who deserve it and mike pence is one of those. i just pray that the american eople will just get together pray to god for the
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president-elect donald trump and mike pence, that we could all overcome the problems and situations through prayer and another. one thanks. host: okay. new york, new york. neil, good morning. you r: good morning, thank for taking my call. thank god for c-span. you answered the questions vice president-elect philosophy about gays. what about reconciling, how is reconciling conversion therapy? thank you for taking my call. i'll let you rta, start. guest: yeah, this is something animated the left, last severaler the onths, sort of down the home
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stretch of the election. if there is one thing, you know, the left, i mean the organized, politically active progressive movement in america, that is governor pence's past support for conversion therapy and that peopleifically for young who have, you know, come out as to their parents and their parents, you know, put them into some sort of therapy treatment or conversion treatment, as it were expressed r pence support for that in the stretch of the election. if there is one thing, you know, past, ft, i that has become a lightning rod. i've never heard that come up on the campaign trail, never heard it, you know, in a speech or interview, frankly, not sure anybody asked about that. that remains a thing from his has come back to haunt him insofar as it eroded any have had with the left, as well as something the gays serving in military. governor pence, when he was congressman, took a strong stance on that, that is another a lot of issues. mentioned earlier, this is a gentleman throughout his political career, who has not left much room to his own right.cal
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he is reliably conservative on ust about every issue, especially social issues, so gay therapy, gays serving openly in the military, these are things mike pence is not going to moderate. host: how much was mike pence about this by the indiana press, maybe not during the so much, but in the months and years before the election, how much were these coming up in the state? i can't say that i recall conversionsked about therapy, in particular. asked aboute's been gay rights many, many times, most famously on george show and whether it would discriminate and he
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the answer and became the butt of the jokes on late-night programs. right, he's been very consistent on the issue, or her you agree with it past, nd that is something he has not varied from. immense pressure from the business community because about the oncerned tourism industry in indiana, threateningses were to, you know, change their expansion plans here in indiana rifra.e of he did, within a week of signing sign a fix to the bill it so thatially made it would not override local
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ondiscrimination ordinances that cities had put in place. that is really the only time i think of where he has moved to the left on these kind of issues. host: about 25 or 30 minutes this segment, want to hear your thoughts on vice president-elect mike pence and indiana residents, a special line, 202-748-8003. otherwise, democrats, 202-748-8000. 202-748-8001. independents, 202-748-8002. temperature going to the line independents, angelanbowie , maryland. good morning. caller: good morning. heard the comment from mr. cook to millennials, but he never answered the question about should he be afraid that ike pence will choose his religion versus freedom for all, which i find ironic that talk about nts to
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religious freedom, but only free, freedom gets to be no one else's does. so when we talk about is he continue to rule or create policies that only religion over all others, isn't that in violation of the constitution and how will up with the rest people?merican i just thought it is very interesting, here we are, eight years later, when a country felt hope, i mean it was a different feeling to where we are now face thanksgiving next january of 2017, the country feels in dire fear and why isn't that being addressed by the president-elect president-elect, when we talk about accepting god in your heart and all of that, but yet, there is so much fear. host: couple issues, people? i just thought it is very interesting, here we are, eight years later, when a country felt hope, i mean it was a different tim ng to where we are now alberta, i'll let you start. guest: it is important to one wledge this has become of the most polarizing and
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politically es speaking culturally today, the issue of religious liberty and what it means to different people and how they interpret that, you know, what it means to have, you know, religious liberty, while at the with ime, complying government laws and regulations. i think that what
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we talk to pastors, officials with churches, elders and deacons. there is a real fear that has been percolating and maybe overstated in some cases, but it shows were governor pence is coming from in this respect. way the trajectory of the obama administration is going as far as limiting the ability of individual citizens and nonprofits to choose which government regulations they will and will not comply with, there is a real fear in the evangelical community that soon enough churches which have historically been allowed to claim nonprofit status will be stripped of their non-profit status. whether it be about gay marriage, abortion or any other issues. some people would look at that and laugh and say that is not realistic. maybe it is not, but the point is among the issues that really
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animated the republican base over the last several years, i think this was really kind of the sleeping giant and something that brought republican voters to the polls that were not enthused by donald trump's candidacy. this idea that sort of the evangelical christian community in america has been under attack by secular democratic led big government, whether it issue or not, it has become an extremely important force for a lot of conservatives. because mike pence comes from that world, he is especially sensitive to those concerns. if he pushes the federal government to act on them, i think you can see these cultural wars inflamed even more. host: grady is on the phone. good morning. caller: thank you for your program.
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ff track.ot o america forgets how america was formed. people that came to america, they came here for freedom of religion. is made up of many religions. there are more people in made uy religions. there are more people in america and more religions in america than religious evangelicals. mike pence, our religion is personal. when i served 30 years in the military, my religion was personal. i had soldiers from all over the world and i had to respect them. we are getting to the point now -- the first thing they told me as a private when i went into the military, i gave up my rights to protect the rights and serve other people. mike pence is the vice president of the united states. all the people, all races,
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creeds, religions. you cannot just represent his. america is great. oppressedn, we were more than anybody but we knew that america, what they told us in school, was great because america was made up of a nation of nations. we have forgotten our history. we have to learn to respect all people and none of us have any priority. we need to stop putting our priorities on who is best and who is religious -- host: we got your point. tony cook, pick up on this point. we talked a little bit about freedom of religion and how mike pence talked about it in his
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time as governor. i want to focus a little bit on what the caller talked about make america great again statement. we heard mike pence say it in the brief interview this morning. how much was mike pence talking about whatever time in american time in americanica wasabout wr history? was this something he embraced since joining the ticket? like: he never put it that when he was the governor. in thes the problems light of an overreaching federal , if thent and, you know federal government wasn't

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