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it is time. i am asking congress to support the construction of new roads, bridges, tunnels and roadways across this nation and we will put people back to work in the process. believe me, it will be our people. americame to help get off of welfare and back into the labor market, rebuilding this country with american hands by american workers. my administration will follow americale rules, buy american. -- hire at the center of the agenda is fixing our absolutely terrible trade deals. they are so bad. i have studied them. i like reading trade deals. can you believe this? you do not want to read them. they are so bad.
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i can tell you, how bad are they? really bad. and we will make them really good. and we have the great people to do it. the media has been saying, the people who are negotiating the trade deals are very rich, but isn't that what we want? they said, why is it that the people protecting our borders are generals? that is what we want, we want generals. i do not need an mba at the border and i do not need a general negotiating a trade deal . now we have general kelly. you know general kelly, he will be watching over our borders. he is amazing. and as you know, we had general mad dog mattis, secretary of defense. we are not playing games. we are not playing games. no more games. do we agree?
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we have been playing games for 20 years, no more games. that is right. swamp.ned the small -- that is right. pretty good. [chanting] mr. trump: we are going to have strong borders and will make great trade deals. you will be proud of your country again. you watch. running an $800 billion trade deficit. think of it. $800 billion. our country has lost one third of its manufacturing jobs since nafta. we have lost thousands of factories since china joined the world trade organization. 70,000 factories we have lost,
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can you believe it? it is hard to believe. i thought it was a typo. it is the greatest jobs test -- theft in the history of the world. we are going to turn it around fast, faster than you think. we are not going to be taken advantage of by other countries anymore. right? [applause] our goal is to bring back that wonderful phrase, remember some of you that are a little bit older, made in the usa? remember that? we used to have on the cards, made in the usa. we're going to start putting, made in the usa, right? what do you like better? made in the usa or made in america? hold it.
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"usa"]ng >> usa, usa. mr. trump: ready, who like made in america? who likes made in the usa? [cheers] mr. trump: i think so. like one more, this is doing a vote. a lot of people would spend $1 million for that. these are the people that letter country -- led our country. they would do a poll that would cost $1 million. here is another one. time magazine and the financial gave theg deal, just person of the year. person of the year. ok. thisshould give it to you, is not me.
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although, we do have a good message. do we agreed? are you ready? in the past it was called man of the year. now it is called person of the year. here is a question, what do you like better -- do you like person of the year? [boos] do you like man of the year? [cheers] mr. trump: that is the women, too. well, they want to be politically correct. i have heard from somebody years, man of the year -- so many years, man of the year. they have to be politically correct. but i have an idea. what do you do if it is a woman -- right? if it is a man, you go man of
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the year. if it is a woman, like this incredible woman down here, maybe you go woman of the year or person of the year, right? should we speak to the people at time magazine and said next year want, next year, maybe we man of the year next year. no, it is a great honor. we have to justify it. we will withdraw from the hands -- transpacific partnership. they are going to renegotiate the worst trade deal ever made anywhere in the world, nafta. we are going to stand up to foreign cheating and i correct the last american tariff. if a company wants to fire workers and leave florida for another country and then shop --
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back, thereroducts will be consequences. it is not going to happen anymore. fire workers, they close their orns, they moved to mexico someplace else and they sell the product back in with no taxes, so we end up with unemployment and losses. they end up with everything. it is a one-way street. it is not going to happen anymore. from now on, we will warn them that they will pay a 35% tax if they want to leave. for something substantial. you know what will happen, they will not leave. it is simple. why didn't the politicians do this 15-20 years ago? why didn't they do it? for two reasons. you know what the two reasons are? either they are stupid, or they get paid off by campaign contributions. very simple.
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but to be a rich nation, we must also be a safe nation. the murder rate has experienced its largest increase in the united states in 45 years. the press does not tell you that. the murder rate in orlando doubled last year. we are going to support the incredible men and women of law enforcement. and we are going to bring this terrible crime wave to a rapid end. [chanting] mr. trump: one of the greatest public safety issues is open borders. and the drugs pouring into our
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country and poisoning our youth and other people. poisoning our youth. pouring in like water pours in. i have a message for this drug dealers and criminal cartels that are terrorizing our cities, our locations, are citizens -- your days are numbered. we are getting you out. and we are getting you out fast. [cheers] mr. trump: we will build a great wall and we will stop the illegal immigration once and for all. >> build that wall, build that wall. mr. trump: we're going to build the wall. ents endorse -- ag
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me. we are going to build a wall. it is going to be a great wall and it will have full doors in it, because we will have people coming into the country, but they will come in legally. we will also work to keep our country safe from terrorism. pulse nightclub in orlando was the worst mass shooting in american history. it was a deadly assault on the lgbtq community. we have seen islamic terror attacks from paris, to belgium, to san bernardino. again and again, and we are going to stop it. let me state this as clearly as i can, i am going to keep radical islamic terrorists the
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hell out of our country. [cheers] includes: that suspending immigration from regions where it cannot be safely processed or embedded -- or vetted. and that is a term i have devised, extreme vetting. nothing will come before the safety and security of the american people. reform will be a crucial part of the plan. we will drain the swamp of corruption in washington dc and stop government officials from trading favors at your expense. we face many challenges, but this is truly an exciting time to be alive. the script is not yet written. we do not know what the page
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will read tomorrow. for the first time in a long time, what we do know is that the pages will be offered -- authored by each and every one of you. the incredible american people, will be in charge. your voice, your desires, your aspirations will never again call on deaf ears. the forgotten men and women, by the way, they are not forgotten anymore. they do not know what hit them. those forgotten people, they are not forgotten. they are still writing stories about it. they are saying, what happened? they came out to vote big, didn't they? these are smart people, hard-working people, these are people that sometimes have not voted in a long time.
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but you know what, they saw, they heard, and they wanted what we were all doing. they came out and these people had no clue what the hell happened. i just want to tell you thank you andy will be very happy with the results. thank you. [chanting] mr. trump: you are going to be very happy. together, we will raise incomes and bring wealth and opportunity to the poorest communities. we will repeal the disaster known as obamacare and create new health care, all sorts of reforms that were for you and your families -- work for you and your families. we will be doing it properly. it will not spend $5 million for a website.
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$4.2e will not spend billion for an airplane so i can fly around. force 1, in for air don't think so. we will reestablish the role of law, defend the second amendment, protect religious liberties, and appoint justices to the united states supreme court who will uphold and defend the constitution of the united states. heal our divisions and unify our country, our country is very divided. we will bring the country back together and we will love everyone. not small groups or big groups, we will love everyone. when americans are unified, there is nothing we cannot do, is too great, no goal beyond our
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reach. my message tonight is for all americans, from all parties, all races and walks of life, whether you are african-american, hispanic american, asian-american, whatever the hell you might be, we are all americans and we are all united by one shared destiny. so i am asking everybody to join. i am asking you to dream big, during bold, -- dream bold, big and bold and daring, for your families and your country. big and bold and daring. i am asking you to believe in yourself, and i'm asking you to believe once again in america. and if we do that, then
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altogether we will make america strong again. we will make america wealthy again. we will make america safe again. and we will make america great again. thank you very much, florida. thank you, florida. god bless you. merry christmas. god bless you. thank you. incredible support. ♪
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can't always get what you want you can't always get what you want you can't always get what you want but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need ohh -- >> president-elect donald trump has one more victory rally scheduled for the weekend. in mobile,e will be alabama to speak. we will have live coverage of his remarks on c-span. afternoon, ohio state university will be the site of a memorial service for astronaut, john glenn, who died on december 8 at the age of 95.
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that will be at 2:00 p.m. eastern. the public was permitted to pay respects today before the casket inside the statehouse rotunda. of 73 years was on hand to greet some of the mourners including john kasich and john kerry. president obama and his family left washington on air force one this evening, going to honolulu for their annual business vacation. his last as president. he has one more work-related event planned, he will great the japanese prime minister at pearl .arbor for his historic visit otherwise, the vacation usually consists of golf, parties with friends and dinners out. the first family will not be returning to washington into laughter new year's day.
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-- to washington until after new year's day. >> before the president left washington, he held a news conference. among the topics he discussed, the administration's
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achievements, russian hacking and syria. this is 90 minutes. pres. obama: alright, everybody. good afternoon. this is the most wonderful press conference of the year. i have a list of who has been naughty and nice to call on. let me first make a couple of points and then i will take questions. typically i use this year in press conference to review how far we've come over the year. today, understandably i am going to talk a little bit about how far we have come over the past 8 years. as i was preparing to take office, the unemployment rate was on its way to 10%. lowestt is at 4.6%, the
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in over a decade. we have had the longest streak of job growth on record and wages have grown faster over the past few years man over the past 40 years. 44 million people were uninsured, and today we have covered more than 20 million of them. for the first time in our history, more than 90% of americans are insured. in fact, yesterday was the biggest day ever for health care.gov, thousands of americans signed up to get coverage and more are signing up by the day. we have cut our dependence on foreign oil by more than half, enacted the most sweeping protectsince fdr to consumers and prevent a crisis --wall street from -- made ever again. none of this has a stifled growth. the stock market has tripled.
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and i thought obamacare into law in business and have added 15 million new jobs. the economy is more durable than the day when we relied on oil from unstable nations in banks took risky bets with your money. and laughter, the poverty rate fell at the fastest rate in almost 15 years. while the median household grew at the fastest rate on record. in fact, games or larger for the -- gains were larger for the household at the bottom and middle, then for the top. and we did this while cutting the deficit by nearly two thirds and protecting vital investments for the middle class. in foreign policy, when i came into office, we were in the middle of two wars, now nearly 180,000 troops are down to
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15,000 troops. bin laden, rather than being at large, has been taken off of the battlefield along with thousands of other terrorists. no foreign terrorist organizations over the past eight years have executed attacks on our homeland, that was directed from overseas. through diplomacy, we have insurance that iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon without going to war with iran. and when opened up a new chapter with the people of cuba and we have brought 200 nations together around a climate agreement that could very well save the planet for our kids. and almost every country on earth sees america as stronger and more respected today than they did eight years ago. in other words, by so many measures our country is stronger and more prosperous than it was when we started. the situation i am proud to leave for my successor. and it is thanks to the american
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people, the hard work you have put in and the sacrifices you have made, the businesses you started and invested in and the way that he looked out for one another. i cannot be product of the year president -- prouder to be your president. of course, this does not mean we are not mindful of how much there is to do. this season in particular, we are reminded that there are people who are still hungry, still homeless, people who still have trouble paying the bills or finding work after being laid off. communities that are mourning those who were taken from us by senseless gun violence in parents who are still wondering how to protect their kids. after i leave office i intend to continue work with organizations and citizens across the country on these and other pressing issues to build on the progress we have made. around the world as well,
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hotspots where there were disputes, conflicts that have flared up, and innocent people are suffering as a result. nowhere is this more terribly true then the city of aleppo. for years, we have worked to stop the civil war in syria and intermediate human suffering. it has been one of the hardest issues i have faith as president. the world as we speak is united -- in the city of aleppo. we have seen deliberate strategy of surrounding and a starving innocent civilians. we have seen relentless targeting of humanitarian workers and medical personnel, entire neighborhoods reduced to rubble and dust. there are continued reports of citizens be executed. these are all violations of international law.
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responsibility for this brutality lies within the assad regime and its allies, russia and iran. and blood is on their hands. we all know what needs to happen, there needs to be an impartial international force in aleppo, that can help coordinate and orderly evacuation through safe corridor doors. there must be access to humanitarian aid, as america continues to be the largest donor of a to the people. and there needs to be a proper cease-fire that will serve as a basis for a political, rather than military solution. that is what the united states will continue to push for, with partners and through multimodal -- multilateral institutions, like the u.n. and it is not surprising that russia has repeatedly blocked us from taking action on these issues, so we will continue to try to help improve the delivery
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of humanitarian aid to those who are in desperate need. including continuing to monitor the potential use of chemical weapons in syria. and we will work with the u.n. general assembly as well for accountability and to a political satire, because -- settlement on because although we may issue tactical victories, over the long-term the assad regime cannot slaughter its way to religion missing -- legitimacy. not is why the world must ever its eyes to the terrible unfolding. allies areregime and trying to confiscate the truth. led,world should not be foo and in the world will not forget. in a season where the
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incredible blessing that we know is americans are all around us, even as we enjoy family and friends, and are reminded of how lucky we are, we should also be reminded that being an american involved having obligations to others. american values, american ideals are will lead the way to a safer and more prosperous 2017. both here and abroad. by the way, if you embody those ideals like those brave men and women in uniform and their families, i want to close by wishing all of them a very merry christmas and a happy new year. with that, i will take questions. i will start with josh of ap. >> thank you. there is suspicion that you are
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letting vladimir putin get away with interfering in the u.s. election and the response that you know about the interference, are you prepared to call out vladimir putin by name and you agree with what hillary clinton now says, that it was partially responsible for her loss. and if you are making with donald trump and his team on this issue, are you still with this new transition of power that you promised? pres. obama: i think they would be the first to acknowledge that we have done everything we can to make sure this new transition is successful. it has been a few days since i spoke with the president-elect on a range of issues and that corporation will continue. -- cooperation will continue. there has not been a lot of
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squabbling, we have set the facts. intelligenceorm assessments, the russians were responsible for hacking the dnc. consequence, it is important for us to review all elements of that and make sure that we are preventing that kind of interference through cyber attacks in the future. that should be a bipartisan issue, not a partisan issue. and it is my hope that the president-elect is going to similarly be concerned with making sure that we do not have potential foreign influence in our election process. i do not think any american wants that. that should not be a source of an argument. i think part of the challenge is when we get caught up in the
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carryover from election season and i think it is very important betweeno distinguish the politics of the election and the need for us, as a country, both from a national security perspective but also in terms of the integrity of our election system and our democracy, to make sure that we do not create a political football here. with respect to how this unfolded last year, let's go through the facts very quickly. at the beginning of the summer, we are alerted to the possibility that the dnc has been hacked. i immediately ordered law enforcement as well as intelligence teams, to find out everything about it, investigate thoroughly. raise the-- to
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potential victims of the hacking. brief theef -- and to leaders of the house and the senate and intelligence committees. and once we had clarity and certainty around what had happened, we publicly announced that in fact, russia had hacked into the dnc. and at that time we did not anyibute motives or interpretations of why they had done so. we didn't discuss what the effects of it might be. we simply let people know, the public know, just like we let the members of congress know, that this had happened.
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and as a consequence, all of you wrote a lot of stories about what had happened and then you why it happened and the effect it would have on the election outcomes. we did not. the reason we did not was because in this hyper partisan atmosphere, at a time when my primary concern was making sure that the integrity of the election process was not in any way damaged, at a time when anything that was said by me or anybody in the white house, would immediately be seen through a partisan lens, i wanted to make sure that everybody understood that we are playing things straight, we were not trying to advantage one side or the other. we were trying to let people know this had taken place. if you started seeing effects on the election, if you are trying to measure why this was
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happening and how you should consume the information that was being leaked, that you might want to take this into account. that is exactly how we should have handled it. imagine if we had done the opposite? it would become one more political scrum. and part of the goal was to make sure that we did not do the work of the leakers for them by raising more questions about the integrity of the election, right before it was taking place. at a time the president elect himself was raising questions about the integrity of the election. finally, i think it is worth pointing out, that the information was already out there. it was in the hands of wikileaks, so that was going to come out no matter what. what i was concerned about was making sure that it was not
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hackinged by potential method amber -- could hamper vote counting. so in early september, when i saw president clinton -- putin in china, have the most effective way to ensure that didn't happen, was to talk to them directly and tell him to cut it out and there would be serious consequences if he did. in fact, we do not see further tampering of the election process. but the leak through wikileaks had already occurred. so when i look back in terms of how we handled it, i think we handled it in the way it should have been handled. we allowed law enforcement to do its job without political influence. we briefed all relevant parties involved, in terms of what was
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taking place. when we had a consensus, we announced it, not through the white house or me, but through the intelligence communities that had carried out the investigations. and then we allowed you and the american public to make an assessment as to how the way it that going into the election. who do notobody here have some sense of what kind of effect it would have. i am finding it a little. surprisedis acting that this looks like it was disadvantaging hillary clinton, because you wrote about it every day. every single week, about every little juicy tidbit of political gossip. including the best risotto recipe. this was something that
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dominated the news coverage. us i do think it is worth reflecting how it is that a presidential election of such importance, of so many big issues at stake, and such a contrast between the candidates, came to be dominated by a bunch of these leaks. what is it about the political system that made us vulnerable to these kinds of potential manipulations? i said before, we are not -- this is not for me elaborate, complicated espionage scheme. some democratic party emails that contained pretty routine stuff, some of it
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in their seen or uncomfortable, because i expect if any of us got our emails hacked, we could have something we did not want appearing on the front page of a newspaper, even if it is not controversial war illegal. then it took off. and that concerns me and it should concern all of us. is,the truth of the matter everybody had the information. it wasn't out there and we handled -- was out there in we handled it the way we should have. moving forward, this raises a couple of issues. the constant challenge we will have with cyber security. and ourut our economy society. we are a digitalized culture and
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there is hacking going on every single day. there is not a company, not a major organization, a financial institution, a branch of the government where somebody is not going to be fishing for something or trying to penetrate, or put a virus or malware, and this is why for the last eight years i have been obsessed with how we can continue to upgrade our cyber security systems. this particular concern around russian hacking is part of a broader set of concerns about issueswe deal with cyber being used in ways that can affect our infrastructure and the stability of our financial systems. and affect the integrity of our institutions, like our election process.. i just received a couple weeks
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back, it wasn't widely reported on, a report from our cybersecurity commission that outlines a whole range of strategies to do a better job on this. but it's difficult because it's not all housed -- the target of cyberattacks is not one entity, but it's widely dispersed and a lot of it is private, like the d.n.c. you know, it's not a branch of government. we can't tell people what to do. what we can do is inform them, get best practices. what we can also do is on a bilateral basis, warn other countries against these kinds of attacks and we've done that in the past. just as i told russia to and indicated it, and there will be consequences if
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they do it, the chinese has in the past engaged in cyberattacks directed at our companies to steal trade secrets and proprietary technology. and i had the same conversation with president xi, and what we've seen is some evidence they have reduced but not completely eliminated these activities , partly because they can use cutouts. one of the problems with the internet and cyberissues is there's not always a return address. by the time you catch up to it, you know, attributing what happened to a particular thing is not profble in court. provable inways court. what we've also tried to do is to start creating some international norms about this to prevent some sort of
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cyberarms race, because we obviously have offensive capabilities as well as defensive capabilities, and my approach is not a situation which everybody's worse off because folks are constantly attacking each other back and forth, but putting some guardrails around behavior of nation states including our adversaries, so they understand that whatever they do to us we can potentially do to them. we do have some special challenges because oftentimes our economy is more digitalized. it is more vulnerable, partly because we're a wealthier nation, and we're more wired than some of these other countries. and we have a more open society and engage in less control and censorship over what happens over the internet, which is also part of what makes us special. last point, and the reason i'm going on here is because i know that you guys have a lot of questions about this and i
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addressed all of you directly about this. with respect to response, my principal goal leading up to the election was making sure that the election itself went off without a hitch, that it was not tarnished and that it did not feed any sense in the public that somehow tampering had taken place with the actual process of voting and we accomplished that. that does not mean that we are not going to respond. it simply meant we had a set of priorities leading up to the election that were of the utmost importance. our goal continues to be to send a clear message to russia or others, not to do this to us because we can do stuff to you. but it is also important for us
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to do that in a thoughtful, methodical way. some of it we do publicly. some of it we will do in a way that they know but not everybody will, and i know there have been folks out there that suggests somehow if we went out there and made big announcements and thumped our chests about a bunch of stuff, that somehow that would potentially spook the russians. but keep in mind that we already have enormous numbers of sanctions against the russians. the relationship between us and russia has deteriorated, sadly, significantly over the last several years and so how we approach an appropriate response that increases costs for them for behavior like this in the future, but does not create
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problems for us, is something that's worth taking the time to think through and figure out. and that's exactly what we've done. so at a point in time where we have taken certain actions that we can divulge publicly we will do so. there are times where the message will be received by the russians and not publicized. i should point out, by the way, part of why the russians have been effective on this is because they don't go around announcing what they're doing. it's not like putin's gone around the world publicly , wasn'tlook what we did that clever? he denies it. so the idea that somehow public shaming is going to be effective , i think, doesn't read the thought process in russia very well.
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reporter: did clinton lose because of the hacking? pres. obama: i am going to let all the political pundits in this town have a long discussion about what happened in the election. it was a fascinating election. i'm sure there are going to be a lot of books written about it. i've said what i think is important for the democratic party going forward rather than try to parse every aspect of the election. and i have said before, i couldn't be prouder of secretary clinton. i think she worked tirelessly on behalf of the american people and i don't think she was treated fairly in the election. i think the coverage of her and the issues was troubling, but having said that, what i've been
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most focused on, appropriate for the fact i am not going to be a politician in about -- what is it, 32 days, 31, 34? [laughter] what i've said is that i can maybe give counsel and advice to the democratic party. i think we have to spend the most time on, because it's the thing we have most control over, make sure that we're showing up in places where i think democratic policies are needed, where they are helping, where they are making a difference, but where people feel as if they are not being heard? and where democrats are characterized as coastal, liberal, latte-sipping, you know, politically correct, out-of-touch folks, we have to be in those communities and i've
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seen that when we are in those communities it makes a difference. that's how i became president. i became a u.s. senator not just because i had a strong base in chicago, but because i was driving downstate illinois and going to fish fries and sitting in v.f.w. halls and talking to farmers, and i didn't win every one of their votes but they got a sense of what i was talking about, what i cared about, that i was for working people, that i was for the middle class, that the reason i was interested in strengthening unions and raising the minimum wage and rebuilding our infrastructure and making sure that parents had decent childcare and family leave was because my own family's history wasn't that different from theirs, even if i looked a little bit different. same thing in iowa. and so the question is, how do
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we rebuild that party as a whole so that there's not a county in any state, i don't care how red, where we don't have a presence and we're not making the argument, because i think we have a better argument. that requires a lot of work. you know, it's been something i've been able to do successfully in my own campaigns. it is not something i've been able to transfer to candidates in midterms and sort of build a sustaining organization around. that's something i would have liked to have done more of, but it's kind of hard to do when you're also dealing with a whole bunch of issues here in the white house. that doesn't mean, though, that it can't be done, and i think there are going to be a lot of talented folks out there, a lot
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of progressives who share my values who will be leading the charge in the years to come. michelle, cnn. michelle: this week we heard hillary clinton talk about how she thinks the f.b.i. announcement made a difference in the election. we just heard in an op-ed her campaign chairman talking about something being deeply broken within the f.b.i. he said the investigation early on was lackadaisical, in his words. what do you think about those comments? do you any there's any truth to them? do you think there's a danger there, that they're calling into question the integrity of institutions in a similar way that donald trump's team has done? and the second part to that is, donald trump's team repeatedly -- i guess, given the indication that the investigation of the
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russian hack, as well as retaliation might not be such a priority once he's in office. so what do you think the risk is there, and are you going to talk to him directly about some of those comments he made? president obama: well, on the latter point, as i said before, the transition from election season two governance season is not always smooth. you know, it's bumpy. there are still feelings that are raw out there. there are people out there that are still thinking about how things unfolded and i get all that. but when donald trump takes the oath of office and is sworn in as the 45th president of the united states, then he's got a different set of responsibilities and considerations. and i've said this before. i think there is a sobering process when you walk into the oval office.
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you know, i haven't shared the conversations with the president-elect. i will say they are cordial and in some cases have involved me making some pretty specific suggestions about how to ensure that regardless of our obvious deep disagreements about policy, maybe i can transmit some thoughts about maintaining the effectiveness, integrity, cohesion of the office, of various democratic institutions and he's listened. i can't say he will end up implementing, but the conversations themselves have been cordial as opposed to
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defensive in any way. and i will always make myself available to him, just as previous presidents have made themselves available to me as issues come up. with respect to the f.b.i., i will tell you, i've had a chance to know a lot of f.b.i. agents. i know director comey. they take their job seriously. they work really hard. they help keep us safe and save a lot of lives. and it is always a challenge for law enforcement when there's an intersection between the work that they are doing and the political system. it's one of the difficulties of democracy generally. we have a system where we want our law enforcement investigators and our
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prosecutors to be free from politics, to be independent, to play it straight but sometimes that involves investigations that touch on politics and particularly in this hyper partisan environment we've been in, everything is suspect. everything you do one way or the other. one thing that i have done is to be pretty scrupulous about not waiting for investigation decisions or prosecution decisions or decisions not to prosecute. i have tried to be really strict in my own behavior about preserving the independence of law enforcement, free from my
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own judgments and political assessments, in some cases. and i don't know why i would stop now. mike of bloomberg. mike: thank you, mr. president. on aleppo, your views what happens there, the responsibility of the russian government, the iranian government, the assad regime, pretty well aired, but do you as president of the united states, leader of the free world feel any personal, moral responsibility now at the end of your presidency for the carnage we're all watching in aleppo -- which i'm sure disturbs you -- secondly, also on aleppo, you again made clear your practical
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disagreements with the president-elect trump has throughout his campaign, and he said again last night, that he wants to create safe zones in theory. do you feel like in this transition you need to help him toward implementing that or is that something you need to be -- need not be doing? pres. obama: mike, i always feel responsible. i felt responsible when kids were being shot by snipers. i felt responsible when millions of people had been displaced. i feel responsible for murder and slaughter that's taken place in south sudan that's not being reported on, partly because there's not as much social media being generated from there. there are places around the world where horrible things are happening and because of my office, because i'm president of the united states, i feel
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responsible. i ask myself every single day, is there something i can do to save lives and make a difference and spare some child who doesn't deserve to suffer. so that's a starting point. there's not a moment during the course of this presidency that i haven't felt responsibility. that's true, by the way, for our own country. when i came into office and people were losing their jobs, losing their homes, losing their pensions, i felt responsible and i would go home at night and ask myself, is there something i could do or smarter i could be that would make a difference in their lives, that would relieve their suffering and relieve their hardship?
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so with respect to syria, what i have consistently done is taken the best course that i can to try to end the civil war while also having to take into account the long-term national security interests of the united states, and throughout this process, based on hours of meetings -- if you tallied it up, days and weeks of meetings, where we went through every option in painful detail with maps, and we had our military and we had our aid agencies and we had our diplomatic teams and sometimes we'd bring in outsiders who were critics of ours, whenever we went through it, the challenge
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was that short of putting large numbers of u.s. troops on the ground uninvited, without any international law mandate, without sufficient support from without sufficient support from congress, at a time when we still had troops in afghanistan and we still had troops in iraq and we had just gone through over a decade of war and spent trillions of dollars and when the opposition on the ground was not cohesive enough to necessarily govern a country and you had a military superpower in russia prepared to do whatever it took to keep its client state involved and you had a regional
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military power in iran that saw their own vital strategic interests at stake and were willing to send in as many of their people or proxies to support the regime, and in that circumstance, unless we were all in and willing to take over syria, we were going to have problems and that everything else was tempting because we wanted to do something and it sounded like the right thing to do but it was going to be impossible to do this on the cheap. and in that circumstance, i have to make decision as president of the united states as to what is best -- i'm sorry. what's going on? somebody's not feeling good. all right. why don't we have -- we got -- we can get our doctors back there to help out.
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somebody want to go to my doctor's office and just have them -- all right. where was i? so we couldn't do it on the cheap. now, it may be -- >> can we get a doctor in here? can that be arranged? president obama: can somebody help out, please, and get doc jackson in here? somebody grabbing our doctor? >> thank you, mr. president. president obama: of course.
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in the meantime, just give her a little room. doctor will be here in a second. you guys know where the doctor's office is? so just go through the palm doors. it's right next to the map room. there he is. all right. there's doc jackson. ok. the doctor's in the house.
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and i don't mean that -- i mean that with all sincerity. i understand the impulse to want to do something, but ultimately what i've had to do was to think about, what can we sustain, what is realistic? and my first priority has to be, what's the right thing to do for america? and it has been our view that the best thing to do has been to provide some support to the moderate opposition so that they could sustain themselves and that you wouldn't see anti-assad regime sentiments just pouring into al-nusra and al qaeda or
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isil and we engage our partners on allr to put pressure the parties involved and to try to resolve this through diplomatic and political means. i cannot claim that we have been successful, and so that's something, as is true with a lot of issues and problems around the world, i have to go to bed with every night. but i continue to believe that it was the right approach given what realistically we could get done. absent a decision, as i said, to go into much more significant way, and that i think would not
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have been sustainable or good for the american people because we had a whole host of other obligations that we also had to meet, wars we had already started and that were not yet finished. with respect to the issue of safe zones, it is a continued problem, a continued challenge with safe zones. as if you are setting up those zones on syrian territory, then that requires some force that is willing to maintain that territory in the absence of consent from the syrian government and now the russians or the iranians. with aleppo's tragic situation unfolding that
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in the short term, if we can get more of the tens of thousands who are still trapped there out, that so long as the world's eyes are on them and they are feeling pressure, the regime in russia -- the regime and russia concludes that they are willing to find some arrangement, perhaps in coordination with turkey, whereby those people can be safe. even that will probably be temporary, but at least it solves a short-term issue that's going to arise. unfortunately, we are not even , wee yet because right now have russians and assad claiming that basically all the innocent civilians who were trapped in aleppo are out when international organizations, humanitarian organizations who
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know better and no who are on -- know who are on the ground said unequivocally there are hundreds of thousands who are trapped and are prepared to leave under any conditions. right now our biggest priority is to put pressure wherever we can to try to get them out. ok. mike, i can't have too much -- mike: responsibility moving that direction or help president-elect trump? president obama: i will help president trump, with president-elect trump with advice, counsel, information that we can provide so that he, once he's sworn in, can make a decision. between now and then, these are decisions that i have to make based on the consultations that i have with our military and the people who have been working this every single day. peter alexander. peter: mr. president, thank you very much. can you, given all the intelligence we have now heard, assure the public this was once and for all a free and fair election?
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and specifically on russia, do you feel any obligation now as they have been insisting that this isn't the case, to show the proof that it was, put your money where your mouth is and declassify some of the intelligence that exists and as it relates to donald trump on this very topic, are you concerned about his relationship with vladimir putin, especially given some of the recent cabinet picks, including his selection for secretary of state, rex tillerson, who toasted champagne with putin over oil deals? president obama: i may be getting older because the multipart questions, i start losing track. [laughter] i can assure the public there was not the kind of tampering with the voting process that was our concern and will continue to
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be of concern going forward that the votes that were cast were counted, they were counted appropriately. we have not seen evidence of machines being tampered with, so that assurance i can provide. that doesn't mean that we find every single, you know, potential probe of every single voting machine all across the country, but we paid a lot of attention to it. we worked with state officials, etc., and we feel confident that that didn't occur and that the votes were cast and they were counted. so that's on that point. what was the second one? declassification. look, we will provide evidence that we can safely
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provide that does not compromise , but i'll beethods honest with you, when you are talking about cyber security -- we are not going to arrive -- provided because the way we by knowing is certain things about them that they may not want us to know and if we are going to monster -- monitor this stuff going forward, we don't want them to know that we know. so, this is one of those , unless thehere american people genuinely think that the professionals in the , our entire
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intelligence infrastructure, by the way served in previous administrations and , are lesspublicans ,rustworthy than the russians and people should pay attention to what our intelligence agencies say. this is part of what i meant when i said that we have got to think about what is happening to our political culture here. or russians can't change us significantly weaken us. they are a smaller country, they are a weaker country, their economy doesn't produce anything that anyone wants to buy except oil and gas and arms. .hey don't innovate
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if weey can impact us lose track of who we are. they can impact us if we abandon our values. mr. putin can weaken us, just like he is trying to weaken if we start buying into notions that it is ok to intimidate the press or lock up , or discriminate against people because of their .aith or what they look like and what i worry about more than anything is the degree to which, because of the fierceness of the partisan battle, you have started to see certain folks in
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the republican party and republican voters suddenly a government and individuals who stand contrary to everything we stand for, as being ok because that's how much .e dislike democrats i mean, think about it. some of the people who have historically been very critical of me for engaging with russians and having conversations with also endorsed the president-elect, even as he was saying that we should stop sanctioning russia and being tough on them and work together with them. against our common enemies. that was very complimentary of -- and was very continent tree of mr. putin personally.
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news.asn't the president-elect, during the campaign, said so. and some folks who have made a career out of being anti-russian .idn't say anything about it and then, after the elections, suddenly they are asking, why didn't you tell us that maybe the russians were trying to help our candidate? come on. there was a survey some of you saw where -- now this is just one poll but a pretty credible source. 37% of republican voters approve of putin. over one third of republican approve of vladimir
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putin, the former head of the kgb. ronald reagan would roll over in his grave. and how did that happen? becausened, in part, for too long, everything that happened in this town, everything that is said is seen toough this -- relative democrats or relative to president obama. and unless that changes, we are going to continue to be vulnerable to foreign influence because we have lost track of what we are about and what we stand for. the respect to
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president-elect's appointments, it is his prerogative to appoint who he thinks can best carry out his foreign-policy or his to thec policy, is a senate to advise and consent. forill be plenty of time members of the senate to go through the record of all his appointees and determine whether or not they are appropriate for the job. mr. president, i want to talk about vladimir putin again. just to be clear, do you believe vladimir putin himself authorized this hack and he authorized that to help donald trump. and on the intelligence, one of the thing donald trump sites is saddam hussein and the weapons of mass destruction, that they were never found. can you say unequivocally that this was not china, that this
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was not a 400 pound guy sitting on his bed as donald trump says, and do these types of statements from donald trump -- russia? president obama: when the report comes out before i leave office, that will have drawn together all of the threats. and so i don't want to step on work ahead of time. the i can tell you is with intelligence i have seen, gives me great confidence in their assessment that the russians carried out this attack. dnc and the hack of john podesta. now, -- but again, i think this is why i want to report out so .veryone can review it
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this has been briefed and the evidence in closed session, has been provided on a bipartisan basis. not just to me, it has been provided to the leaders of the house and senate and the chairman and linking members of all the committees. and what you have already seen is some of the folks who have seen the evidence don't dispute the basic assessment that the russians carried this out. well, martha, i think what i , i givemake sure of is the intelligence community the chance to gather all the information. but i make a larger point, which is -- not much happens in russia without vladimir putin. pretty hierarchical
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operation. last i checked, there is not a democraticte and deliberation, particularly when it comes to policies directed at the united states. we have said, and i will confirm, that this happened at levels of russian government and i will let you make that determination as to whether their high level russian officials who go off rogue and tamperto temper with -- with the u.s. elections without vladimir putin knowing about it. >> so i wouldn't be wrong in saying vladimir putin partook. >> i said what i am going to say. and statements by donald trump in bold in russia?
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obama: i think the president-elect is still in transition mode from campaign to governance. he hasn't gotten his whole team together yet, he still has campaign spokespersons sort of filling in and appearing on cable shows, there is just a whole different attitude and -- inhen you're not it power as when you are in power. rather than me characterizing the appropriate or inappropriateness of what he is doing at the moment, i think what we have to see is how will the president-elect operate and how will his team operate when they have been fully briefed on all of these issues, they have their hands on all the levers of government and they have to start making decisions.
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believe that the president-elect can approach iss that would be unifying to say that we welcome a bipartisan, independent process that gives the american people votesnce that not only are counted properly, the elections are fair and free, that -- but we have learned internetbout how propaganda from foreign countries can be released into the political bloodstream and we have strategies to deal with it for the future. the more this can be
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nonpartisan, the better served the american people are going to be. which is why i'm in the point earlier -- and i am going to keep repeating this point, our vulnerability to russia or any other foreign power is directly related to how divided, partisan, dysfunctional our political process is. that's the thing that makes us vulnerable. fake news that is being released by some foreign identical is almost to reports that are being issued venues,partisan news then its not surprising that
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foreign propaganda will have a greater effect. because it doesn't seem that far-fetched compared to some of the other stuff folks are hearing from domestic propagandists. to the extent that our political dialogue is such where everything is under suspicion, everyone is corrupt, and everyone is doing things for partisan reasons and all of our full ofions are malevolent actors. if that is the storyline that is being put out there by whatever , than whent of power a foreign government introduces that same argument with facts voters whode up,
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have been listening to that , who have been getting that stuff every day from talk radio or other venues, they are going to believe it. reducewe want to really foreign influence on our elections, then we had better think about how to make sure our political process, our political dialogue is stronger than it has been. mark? i want to reference the movie "from russia to china" for a moment. the president-elect spoke with the president of taiwan and declared he wasn't sure why the
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united states needed to be bound by the one china policy. he suggested it to be used as a bargaining chip for more cooperation. just today, the chinese have evidently seized an underwater don't in this how -- thrown in the south china sea. you agree our china policy could use a fresh set of eyes and what is the big deal about having a short phone call with the president of taiwan? or do you worried these kinds of unorthodox predose -- approaches collisiong us on a course with our greatest lyrical adversary? president obama: i am somewhere in between. i think all of our foreign policy should be subject to fresh eyes. i have said this before. i am very proud of the work i have done and i am a better president now than when i
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started, but if you are here for eight years in a bubble, you start seeing things a certain way and you benefit from the democracythe benefits, america benefits from new perspectives. , not think it should be just the prerogative, but the obligation of a president to examine everything that is been done and what doesn't. that is what i'd did when i came in and am assuming any new president would undertake the new x same exercise. given how much is it at stake in the world economy, national security, our presence in the asian pacific, china's increasing role in international affairs, there is probably no bilateral relationship that
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andies more significance there is also the potential for, if that relationship breaks down or goes into a full conflict mode, that everyone is worse off. so i think it is fine for him to .ake a look at it what i have advised the president-elect is that across the board on foreign policy, you want to make sure that you are doing it in a systematic, deliberate, intentional way. since there is only one president at a time, my advice , before hebeen that starts having a lot of interactions with foreign governments, other than the usual courtesy calls, that he should want to have his full team in place, that he should
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want his team to be fully briefed on what has gone on in -- where the potential pitfalls maybe, where the opportunities are, what we have learned from eight years of experience, so that as he has foreign policyng and a new direction, he has all goodnformation to make decisions and, by the way, that all of government is moving at the same time and seeing it from the same point. china, and let's ,ust take the example of taiwan there has been a long-standing agreement, essentially, between china and the united states and to some degree, the taiwanese,
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which is to not change the status quo. taiwan operates differently than mainland china does. china views taiwan is part of china, but recognizes that it approach taiwan as an entity that has its own ways of doing things. thataiwanese have agreed as long as they are able to continue to function with some degree of autonomy, that they won't charge forward and declare independence. that status quo, although not completely satisfactory to any of the parties involved, has kept the peace and allowed the
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inwanese to be successful the economy and people who have a high degree of self determination. for china, the as importantan is as anything on their docket. is at thef one china of their conception as a nation. if you are going to abandon -- understanding, you have to think through what the consequences are because chinese will not treat that the way they will treat those issues.
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they will not even treat those south china sea. this goes to the core of how they see themselves. the reaction could be very significant. that does not mean you have to it here to everything that has been done in the past. for potentialed reactions they may engage in. all right. reporter: two questions on where this leaves us. president obama: where my presidency leaves us? it leaves us in a really good spot. [laughter] reporter: what do you say to the electors who are going to meet on monday and thinking of changing their votes? do you think they should be given an intelligence briefing about the russian activity or bear in mind what you have said
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and be battle ready. should folks be bound by the state votes as they have gone? and long-term, do you think there is need for electoral college reform that is tied to the popular vote? ? president obama: that sounded like two but was all one. [laughter] two questions, but each one has four parts. reporter: on the democratic party, your labor secretary is running to be the chair of the democratic national committee. is the vision you have seen him putting forward what you think the party needs to be focused on? what you say to -- what do you say to some of the complaints the party needs to be focused on and what do you think about the complaint the democratic committee shouldn't be part of your approach? part of that is decisions that you have made as president and leader of the party has structurally weakened the d.n.c. and democratic party and has led
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to or help lead to some of the losses in elections in the country. do you regret any of those decisions? president obama: i'll take the second one first and say that tom perez has been i believe one of the best secretaries of labor in our history. he is tireless. he is wicked smart. he has been able to work across the spectrum of labor, business activists. he's produced. and if you look at his body of work on behalf of working
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people, what he's pushed for in terms of making sure that workers get a fair deal, decent wages, better benefits and their safety is protected on the job, he has been extraordinary. now others who have declared are also my friends and fine people as well. and the great thing is, i don't have a vote in this. so we'll let the process unfold. i don't think it's going to happen any time soon. i described to you earlier what i think needs to happen, which is that the democratic party, whether that's entirely through the d.n.c. or through rebuilding of state parties or some other arrangement, has to work at the grassroots level and has to be present in all 50 states and has to have a presence in counties and has to think about message
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and how are we speaking directly to voters. i will say this and i'm not going to engage in too much punditry. but i could not be prouder of the coalition that i put together in my -- each of my campaigns. because it was inclusive and it drew in people who normally weren't interested in politics and didn't participate. but i'd like to think -- i think i can show that in those elections, i always cast a broad net. i always said first and foremost were americans, that we have a common creed, that there's more that we share than divides us. and i want to talk to everybody and get a chance to get
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everybody's vote. i still believe what i said in 2004 which is this red state blue thing is a construct. now it is a construct that has gotten more and more powerful for a whole lot of reasons from gerrymandering, to big money to a way that the media is splintered and so people are just watching what reinforces their existing biases as opposed to listening to different points of view. there are all kinds of reasons for it. but outside the realm of
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electoral politics, i still see people the way i saw them when i made that speech full of contradictions and some regional differences. but basically, folks care about their families and care about having meaningful work. they care about making sure their kids have more opportunity than they did. they want to be safe and want to feel like things are fair. and whoever leads the d.n.c. and any candidate with democratic brand going forward, i want them to feel as if they can reach out and find that common ground and speak to all of america. and that requires some organization. and you're right. and i said this in my earlier remarks that what i was able to do during my campaigns, i wasn't able to do during mid terms. i spent time and effort into it.
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but the coalition i put together didn't always turn out to be transferable. and the challenge is that -- you know, some of that just has to do with the fact that when you are in the party in power and people are going through hard times like they were in 2010, they are going to punish in some degree the president's party regardless of what organizational work that is done. some of it has to do with deep standing challenges for democrats. the electorate is older and we do better with the younger electorate. we know those things are true. and i didn't crack the code on that. and if other people have ideas about how to do that even better, i'm all for it.
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so with respect to the electors, i'm not going to wade into that issue. because again, if the american people's job and electors' job to decide the successor and not my job to decide the successor. and i have provided people with a lot of information about what happened during the course of the election, but more importantly, the candidates themselves i think talked about their beliefs and their vision for america. the president-elect has been very explicit what he cares about and what he believes in. and so it's not in my hands now. it's up to them. reporter: long-term with respect to the electoral college? president obama: long-term with the electoral college --
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the electoral college is a visioner from an earlier of how our federal government was going to work that put a lot of premium on states. it used to be that the senate was not elected directly. it was through state legislatures. it is the same type of thinking that gives wyoming two senators with a half-million people and california with 32 million gets the same two. there are some structures in our political system as envisioned by the founders that sometimes are going to disadvantage democrats but the truth of the matter is that if we have a strong message, if we are speaking to what the american people care about, typically,
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the popular vote and the electoral college vote will align. and i guess, i guess part of my overall message here as i leave for the holidays is that if we look for one explanation or one silver bullet or one easy fix for our politics, then we probably are going to be disappointed. there are a lot of factors in what has happened, not just over the last few months, but over the last decade. that have made both politics and governance more challenging. and i think everybody has raised
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legitimate questions and legitimate concerns. i do hope that we all take some time, take a breath, that is what i am going to advise democrats, to just reflect a little bit more about how can we, how can we get to a place where people are focused on working together, based on at least some common set of facts. how can we have a conversation about policy that does not demonize one another? how can we channel what i think is the basic decency and goodness of the american people as it reflects itself in our politics as opposed to it being so polarized and so nasty that in some cases, you have voters
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and unelected officials who had more confidence and faith in a foreign adversary than they have in their neighbors? and those go to some bigger issues. how is it that we have some voters or some elected officials who think that michelle obama's healthy eating initiative, school nutrition program is a greater threat to democracy then -- then our government going after the press if they are issuing a story they do not like.
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i mean -- that is an issue that i think we have got to wrestle with. and we will. people have asked me how i feel after the election and i say -- look, this is a clarifying moment. this is a useful reminder that voting counts, politics counts, what the president-elect is going to be doing will be very different than what i will be doing and people feel the need to compare, contrast, and make judgments about what worked for the american people. and i hope, that building off the progress that we have made, that what the president-elect is proposing works. what i can say with confidence is that what we have done works.
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that i can prove. i can show you where we were in 2008 and i can show you where we are now. and you cannot argue that we are not better off, we are. and for that, i think the american people and more importantly i think -- not more importantly, as importantly -- i was going to say josh earnest. [laughter] president obama: for that, i think the american people, i think the men and women in uniform that serve. i have not yet gotten to a point where i am overly sentimental. i will tell you that when i was doing my last christmas party photo -- right at the end of the line, the president's marine corps band comes in.
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and i take a picture with them. and that was the last time i was going to take a picture with my marine corps band after an event and i got a little choked up. i was in front of marines though so i had to tamp it down but it was just one small example of all of the people who have contributed to our success. i am responsible for where we screwed up, but the successes are widely shared with all of the amazing people that have been part of this administration. ok. thank you everybody. mele kalikimaka. >> [indiscernible] president obama: i enjoyed it. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> washington journal, like every day with policy issues that impact you.
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saturday morning, pursue prince joins us. why he is publicly stated why he will not be voting for donald trump. will discussgarcia results from a recent study that show a decade-long stagnation in high schoolf u.s. graduates and predicts that fewer students will graduate in 2017. make sure to watch c-span's washington journal beginning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. join the discussion. >> saturday, ohio state university is the site for a public celebration of the life of john glenn. the former u.s. astronaut and u.s. senator from ohio died december 8 at the age of 95. the service and our live coverage begins at 2:00 p.m. eastern. live at 4:00, we will be live as president-elect trump speaks at a victory rally in mobile, alabama.
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watch both of them here on c-span. every weekend, book tv brings you 48 hours of nonfiction books and authors. here are some of our programs this weekend. saturday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern, georgetown university professor jason rendon looks at the failure of democratic political systems and calls for a change in how governments run in his book "against democracy." he is interviewed by david bos. >> why don't people want that? they think it won't work very well. they think it will lead to bad outcomes. it probably will. once you say i care about bad outcomes, then you are in my side. ok, well how are we going to weigh fairness versus equality of the outcome? the beforey, columbus foundation presents the 37th annual american book
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awards, which recognizes outstanding achievement from the entire spectrum of the american diverse literary committee. the awards are presented in san francisco. at 5:00, jonathan zimmerman, professor at the university of pennsylvania, who argues that free speech is under threat on college campuses across the country in his book "campus politics." >> the problem is the second kind of pc that does not taboo .ords, but taboos ideas if 40% of the faculty is opposed to raise-based affirmative action and we are not hearing from them, that means there is a serious pc problem. >> go to www.c-span.org for the complete weekend schedule. secretaryd nations ban ki-moon holds his annual end of the year news conference.
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this is also his final news conference as secretary general of the u.n. this is just over 35 minutes. >> good morning. good morning, welcome to this press conference. the secretary-general will make -- thank you. the secretary-general will make opening remarks and we will take some questions. sir? general ban ki-moon: good morning, everyone. a pleasure to see you this morning. usually, at this time, but now, we meet at the end of my term. believe it or not, i will miss
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these exchanges. [laughter] general ban ki-moon: we have spent much time together in this halls of this building and all over the world the last 10 years. you are part of the united nations' family and i thank you strong courage in working together and working for the united nations. more than that, you have an important job to do and informing the world about our work, where we make progress and when we fall short. i deeply believe in your mission. i have been saying you are connecting the world. a connector between the united nations and the world. at a time when governments across the world are harassing journalists, cracking down on press freedom, i have worked hard to be your allies and defender.
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the fight for freedom of the press is everybody's fight. i have a brief today to allow maximum time for questions. let me make three points. first, syria remains a gaping hole in the conscious. it has become a synonym for hell. as i told the council three days ago, we have collectively failed the people of syria. peace will only prevail when it is accompanied by compassion, justice and accountability for the abominable crimes we have seen. second, i am closely following the deteriorating situation in south sudan. this week marks the third anniversary of the fighting.
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leaders have betrayed their people's trust and squandered a peace agreement. tens of thousands lie dead. my special advisor has warned of the risk of genocide. we continue to push for access for life-saving relief and i urge the security council to take more concerted action, including through punitive measures. third, we'll continue to support the momentum behind the paris agreement on climate change. climate action means jobs, growth, cleaner air and better health. leaders from across the globe and on every front understand this from fortune 500 ceos to governors and mayors.
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the paris agreement on climate change is a precious achievement that we must support and nurture. there is no turning back. during my final days in office, i went to speak at the university of illinois in abrahamle and to visit lincoln's presidential library and museum in springfield. one can draw a straight line for the principles that president lincoln defended to those that represent the best of spirit of the united states and the united nations. lincoln was a force for equality, integration reconciliation and we need that , spirit today. this has been a decade of tests.
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i've also seen collective action. a change in millions of lives for the better. sometimes, it may be international corporation as the path for more prosperity going forward. i will continue to appeal to world leaders to recognize and preeminent 21st century facts. i wish to express my appreciation to my host city and country. yesterday in washington d.c., i thanked president obama and vice president biden and secretary rice for their strong support over the years. centralityssed the of close, productive ties between the united states and
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the united nations. i have also recently met with mayor deblasio of new york and governor christie of new jersey and i will speak to governor cuomo from new york. the united states continues to grow strength and the new york metropolitan area. thank you again for your friendship over the past decade and i wish you continued good success and engage more closely with the united nations so that you will always deliver and connect the world with united nations. thank you very much. let me say one last thing. i am happy to take your questions. thank you. >> mr. secretary-general, thank you again for the last press conference, but thank you also
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for your cooperation and friendship with us. we really appreciate that. we also thank you for your battle of freedom of the press. my last question to you is a simple one -- i have a soft one. in two weeks, you will face two options. relax and retire, or run for president of south korea. because this is your last question, we would like to know will choose and you have to give a clear answer now. thank you. [laughter] general ban ki-moon: the first part of your question -- of course, i will take some more days to take rest. as you know during the last 10 years, frankly speaking, i have not been able to take any proper vacations and rest. it has been quite a tough 10 years. i have been working first to make sure that the united
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nation's is there when people need me and the united nations and for the second part of the question, i have been repeatedly saying i am still the secretary-general. i still have 15 days to go. after 15 days, when january 1 comes, then i will take some rest and go back to korea. and then i will try to meet as many people as possible, which may include political leaders and leaders of societies and my friends, consider seriously what is best of what i could and should do for my country of
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korea. as you know, the situation is very, very difficult. it is in turmoil. i understand the anxiety of the people about the future of their country as this is one of the biggest challenges that the korean people encountering. i know that they do not want to lose the hard-earned to democracy and economies development, which transformed korea from a recipient country to a global donor. that is one of the prides that korean people have. known asave been even-tempered to other nations. people want aand
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new type of inclusive government that can help them overcome the challenges. and the many issues of how to reconcile the differences and their thinking the differences .f their -- incomes many issues which we have to think about. that means social integrity, reconciliation and much more democratic institutions. at the same time, they all present great challenges for koreans and the korean government. i am coveted the korean people with their resilience and their democratic institutions, i am sure they will be able to overcome this difficulty soon.
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thank you. >> thank you very much, mr. secretary-general. you mentioned aleppo. i wonder if you could elaborate a little and tell us what your expectations are since there seems to be some holdup in the evacuations today. and whether the u.n. has been involved in trying to promote this? that was a follow-up. my real question is you have talked about unfinished business and you have mentioned syria. today, you have mentioned south sudan. what other unfinished business
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do you think should be at the top of the agenda of your successor, mr. guterres? sec. gen. ban ki-moon: about the situation and aleppo and the situation in syria, this is -- this has been a heartbreaking for me and for all of the people who love peace and stability. the syrian people have been really suffering too much, too long the last five years. we will soon see the 60 year -- the sixth year march of next , year. more specifically about the situation in about aleppo, our operation which started yesterday and continued into the early morning today local time, thousands of people were able to leave aleppo.
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194 patients who were evacuated with the assistance of the syrian arab presence, red cross and the united nations. they were brought to hospitals aleppoy, western rural and turkey. , they were brought to hospitals nearby with the support of humanitarian health partners in -- evacuations of wounded and eastern civilians in aleppo was unfortunately suspended today because of the
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authorities earlier today. i feel very much regret that we had to stop this operation at this time. the united nations is engaging and mobilizing all possible resources and man power, engaging and urging the parties to take all necessary measures to allow for safe resuming of this evacuation process. the u.n. partner in italy has pre-positioned supplies which we can easily deliver to needy people. i can tell you that the united nation stands ready full-time to do whatever that is needed to rescue as many people as possible. as i told you, because of this
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fighting by syrian armed groups, we have to stop this. thank you. about unfinished business -- that is hard to pinpoint. the tendencies that once violence happens, it seems the syrian crisis has been continuing six years now the , situation in yemen and south sudan and central african republic mali and elsewhere, all of the fires are still burning. clearly, lack of solidarity, global solidarity. many people who believe that military solution can a all of these issues.
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as i have repeatedly been saying, there is no such military solution, only canusive political solution bring a sustainable solution of the issues. i feel sorry that i have to leave so many unfulfilled issues to my successors and member states. after the end of our day, we also have to understand that we need to do much more with global solidarity and leadership. that is what i am urging the leaders to engage much, much more. thank you. >> thank you for giving me a
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chance to ask the secretary general. a question is about a northeast asian decision -- situation because the secretary-general is the first secretary-general from east asia and the diplomat of south korea. years, back at these 10 pursuing has been nuclear ambitions and china has to medically enhanced its power in the international area. south korea and japan, immigration has been up and down . it is still unstable. what is your view on northeast asia's situation during your tenure? expectations for the future
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shape of this region? thank you. sec. gen. ban ki-moon: people often have been saying that the 21st century would be an era of asia-pacific. among asian-pacific, northeast asia has been regarded as powerful force and dynamic, economically, politically and socially. that means that that china, and japan and korea and these are very important drivers and have been commended even envied by many people around the world, many countries around the world for their dynamic forces. i am concerned that the relationship among and between
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the countries in northeast asia and also in asia totally have not been smooth. in all of this, there is a very concernsecurity brought about by the democratic people's republic of korea. particularly, they are continuing efforts to develop nuclear weapons and develop ballistic missile technologies. the security council has been engaged to stem, to deter this kind of north korean activities. the security council has met 10 times this year only. it is very rare that the security council engages so frequently, so heavily on any single subject.
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they have taken already five sanctions of resolutions, including more recently, which was taken on november 30. all of this kind of sanctions, also applications to northeast asian region and there has been some differences of opinion and positions on how to advance all of this, particularly in north korea nuclear issues. china, japan and korea and the united states and russia, all of these countries surrounding northeast asia have not been -- have not been consistent in their positions. i hope that with all of this
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instabilityecurity and the political disharmony's among these countries, the leaders of northeast asia will continue to meet together and try to work out differences of opinions. i wish and strongly urge again the d prk to come to an international community and abide by all of the international norms, including the security council resolutions and many resolutions.
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therefore, they can be a part of the society. this is what i see the hope as the secretary-general. >> thank you. joseph klein of canada free press. mr. secretary-general, whatever you decide to do, i wish you all of the best. given the prominence in the news lately of cyber attacks against political institutions and private enterprises, what concrete steps would you recommend the united nations take to galvanize member state support for an effective u.n. invention containing rules and warfare,regulate cyber i can to the geneva convention, and help build member states for their critical infrastructures from cyberattacks? thank you. sec. gen. ban ki-moon: we are enjoying all of this dramatic transformative development of technology, especially communications technology. at the same time, we are
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concerned about using this technology for other negative properties, cyberattacks. this must be prevented in concerted efforts by the international community. i hope the united nations and agencies will look into very -- into this matter very seriously and try to have international conventions so that we can prevent this such misuse of privacy's of technologies. this is my vision. as for the specific agencies or departments, we will have to discuss this matter with the general assembly. >> mr. secretary-general, a
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question of going back to aleppo. you have called aleppo a synonym l.r hel we also know about south sudan. how would you assess the status of the concept of responsibility to protect? is it on life support? is it moving toward death? in 2005. ban ki-moon: during a special summer meeting, world leaders have agreed, a consensus on responsibility to protect. as secretary-general, even while i was campaigning, i was pledging to the member states that i would try to translate in this into action -- translate this into action in application toward addressing all of these issues.
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unfortunately, member states have shown some stepping back from their agreement on a responsibility to protect. that is why the united nations international community has not been able to fully and effectively address many issues, particularly we fully support the sovereign nations. every country, small or big, has a sovereign right and utility. when it comes to a situation when the leaders are not willing or not able to defend their own people, international communities should be able to intervene with necessary resources. that has been done at the time of resolving this libyan crisis.
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i regret very much that the member states have not been given the full support and full engagement in implementing this very important responsibility to protect the principles. again, this is one of the unfinished business. we had a good framework, we have an agreement. why are we not using these tools? these tools and principles should fully be used so we can handle and address the many conflict issues. we fully support this sovereignty. but when the country is simply not able or not willing to then the international community has a responsibility to protect those people.
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>> is there anything that you would recommend for the international community to do at this point regarding syria? i haven. ban ki-moon: been appointing, i think three of the world's best diplomats, including my press assessor -- including my predecessor, kofi annan. ofis not in issue negotiators and facilitators. it is an issue of lack of solidarity lack of compassion. , and the people, just speaking to very narrow, personal, or national interests that has been killing hundreds of thousands of people now that we have to reject in the name of humanity. how come this issue has been so
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long taking without being resolved? people, all, the syrian they should be united. unfortunately, they have been divided completely. the regional powers, these powers they have been supporting, both sides, the government side and the other group's side the united nations , security council has also been divided. individuals in three important areas and institutions have provided a perfect storm for extremists, isis, daesh, terrorists take a firm root . they are taking a firm root among the people. taking advantage of all of the grievances of the people and the
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leaders. >> thank you, mr. secretary-general. just before i start my question, it was a pleasure covering you and united nations the past five years in new york and overseas. reflecting on your tenure, in hindsight, what was your top three moments of pride in your trop -- and your top three moments of regret? are ups and there downs, as we have witnessed. thank you. sec. gen. ban ki-moon: it is not good timing for me to talk about what has been achieved or what has been a good moment for me. i am more of the regrettable side, frankly speaking. since you have raised this issue, i believe that while we
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think we are living in an era of turmoil and challenges, the very leaders have shown important guidelines and visions by adapting sustainable development goals, the 2030 agenda and goals which covers , all spectrums of life, our life, human beings and planet , earth. if we are able to implement and achieve all 17 goals by 2030, i am quite confident and will be very proud to say we are living in a world much more prosperous, much more peaceful and much healthier for people and the planet. that is one thing.
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is heart of the same development goals the , climate change has been a separate track, a different track then sustainable development goals. the agreement of peace -- i mean, the paris agreement, that has to be commended. it has taken longer than 10 years. when i took over as the secretary-general in 2007, it negotiation was almost dormant. it was not working at all. i thought that my priority as secretary-general should be on this climate change. i have been really mobilizing the political will of the leaders and business communities and i have really been asking the civil societies to raise their voices to challenge the world leaders.
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now, with this paris agreement, once it was known as unthinkable. now it is unstoppable. nobody can stop this one. nobody can stop this one. it is government, business communities, and civil societies. they all demand it. they know without changing our course, our pattern of consumption and production without going with a climate economy, decar bonizing, our future will be tragic. that is one thing which i have been able to awaken of the people's minds. that is one thing in which i am proud. we will have to go a list of 85
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yards -- 85 years of our target until 2100. i think we have made a very good start. this we can bent , proud. another one, at least i have, again, tried to change the mentality of communities and societies that it is not only men. men should lead together equally with women. there is a gender parity. there are more women living on this planet. and if not for women, at least equal rights should be given, politically, socially and economically. this is a fundamental principle
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for human rights declaration, a universal declaration of human rights. as a human being, i think we must adhere to this. i've been trying to appoint as many capable women advisors and the number of women i have appointed in my 10 years is much, much greater than the number of women appointed during my seven previous predecessors combined. my successor has committed in his oath of taking ceremony that by the end of his term, i do not know when will be the end of his term -- [laughter] at least ban ki-moon:
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10 years, then this world will be 50-50. by 2030, while the leaders have already committed by 2030, this world will be 50-50 planet. thank you. >> thank you. we have to go. thank you. >> we have one more question. but we have to go, sir. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]
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minister antonio gutierrez has been sworn in. the former u.n. refugee chief was elected to the top job by acclamation in the general assembly in october.
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he takes over from ban ki-moon on january 1. here is a look at the swearing-in. >> the general assembly has appointed you secretary-general of the united nations. your term of office, beginning 2017, andanuary, ending on 31st of december, 2021. oathl now ask you take the of office. repeat after me. raise after your -- raise your right hand. guterres, solemnly swear to exercise and all loyalty discretion and conscience the functions
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secretaryto me as -general of the united nations and discharge these functions and regulate my conduct with the interests of the united nations imbued -- only in view and not to seek or accept instructions in regard to the performance of my duties from any government or other authority external toward the organization -- to the organization. >> congratulations. [applause] >> on newsmakers, congressman kevin brady, chair of the ways and means committee, talks about republican plans for a tax overhaul and the repeal of the
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affordable care act. >> i do think you can learn from failure. i think if the next president wants to aspire to be like somebody, they probably would want to aspire to be washington or lincoln. you can't re-create the country or have the civil war. what do you do next? aspire to be james monroe? well, you can aspire not to be james buchanan. >> historian robert strauss talks about james buchanan's presidency in his latest book, " worst president ever." >> i think the differentiation between good presidents and bad presidents -- washington, lincoln, fdr are in the top three. they were decisive men.
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you can't come to the top of the latter and not be decisive. buchanan was a waffler. james polk hated him for being a waffler as secretary of state. he went back and forth on decisions. you are my advisor. tell me what to do. that is how he was as a president. >> sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's q and a. former cia director, retired general david petraeus, talks about combating terrorism and other global threats. this took place on the campus of george washington university in washington, d.c.. this is just over an hour. >> good evening. am the president of george washington university. i welcome you to the national library, lie at the heart of the building
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intellectually and structurally in george washington university. he opened this years ago after years of planning and partnership with the organization known as the international churchill center. part of our plan was to have this new center serve as a venue for exactly the kinds of event we are hosting this evening. welcome to the first of what i am confident will become an -- onant series on topics conversations of topics important to the national interest. george washington president emeritus stephen gold trachtenberg, and of course, our featured speaker, general david petraeus. students coming to us from all 50 states and 140 nations enjoy a front row seat in the theater of history. tonight is a good example of why that is true.
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it is hard to imagine someone who would be more important to hear at this moment in history than this evening's featured speaker. david petraeus was one of the most prominent military leaders of the post-9/11 era. his achievements in his career in the army including his leadership of the surge in iraq. commands,x successive five of those in combat. after retiring from the military, general petraeus was nominated unanimously as the director of the cia, where he established a strategic plan for the agency. he is now partnered with a global investment firm kkr and thatpes to hold roles numerous institutions. his honors and awards are too many to list. i first had the honor of meeting general petraeus when he spoke at an event for the
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international churchill society in 2012. general petraeus will be conversing this evening with the inaugural director of the churchill society. [applause] >> thanks for your service and being our first honored guest. the ncl see is the first research facility in the nation's capital devoted to the study of winston churchill. here, students, scholars, and visitors have access to substantial and growing primary and secondary sources, a touchscreen exhibit, and access to the churchill archive. art,e months to come,
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artifacts, and other historical treasures will be on display. for the development of the library, one might say this is not the end. [laughter] michael: it is not even the beginning of the end. it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning. the ncl see is not just a place for study, but also a dubuque -- a place for study and debate. for historicalrm and -- for him for historical and -- it will be a forum for historical and modern issues. general petraeus, welcome to the nclc. gen. petraeus: congratulations on all you have done to bring this to fruition. thanks to all of you for being here on a frigid night in our nation's capital. congratulations on this terrific library.
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it is a special privilege to walk point for this effort, as we say, as the first speaker. as a huge admirer of the man, rightly described as the last line to be in a -- last lion. to be in a place inspired by him is quite special. michael: i thought we would begin by discussing your current activities with kkr, which i understand have taken you all over the world, although your travels were briefly interrupted by a trip of trump tower, i think a subject that everyone here will be very curious about. i am wondering if you could tell us what you are up to now and share a few details about the recent trip to new york. gen. petraeus: i will start with acrosskkr is literally fifth avenue, across the street from where trump tower is.
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i went and had a variety of exploratory conversations with folks. i think the way to understand where the president-elect and his team are is to recognize that what they are now doing is a process where he personally, and the team collectively, are putting policies around what understandably were campaign rhetoric. ,ou can run on very short statements. they are in the process of putting architecture around that that are true strategies. was i found fascinating when you talk about one of those campaign promises, if you will, campaign slogans, and then discuss what would be around it. he would say, should we build a wall? we should build a wall, that in the context of an overall,
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comprehensive strategy to improve security in our southern border, which would include more border officers, more reconnaissance access, or technology, or work with our mexican neighbors and help them with their southern border, which is far more porous than ours. it is the source of the flow is coming into our country by and large. should beat is there a wall where there is not one already. we had those kinds of conversations. they went both ways. they would ask about nafta. and foreignouncil relations task force in america that have five pages of issues that need to be resolved. there are tons of issues that we need to address. i am sure they have issues. you call president pain you -- president pena, prime and mr. trudeau, get together and hammer out some of these.
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through various implication. implementation periods and you could get this going. globalization is here to stay. there will be back and forth. i do recognize there have been sectors in our country, in our economy where there have been serious losers due to global trade and trade agreements, whereas all the rest of us generally pay a little bit less for sneakers or blue jeans or something like that. for those who are effective, this is an existential issue. for the rest of us, it is for the better welfare, but what we need to do is better with trade adjustment assistance. that isthe funding allocated in the legislation for these kinds of deals that takes care of those who have been displaced, help three educate, what have you.
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there has not been enough overall and it has not been of sufficient duration. that is one of the challenges with that. i just want to understand -- you are not anti-trade, you are anti-unfair trade. he said that is exactly right. it was that kind of process. it has been going on. his team is working on a variety of different policies and different transition team elements. it was a stimulating conversation in that regard. you walk all the way around the world and then you leave and walk the gauntlet of the press. it was interesting because i want across this street, broke contact with the press, went to the and city of university new york. you have fifth avenue and then the college. it is great. i have been very fortunate government. i worked hard at it.
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very, very privileged to be with kkr. i have been there three and a half years, two years a partner. it is one of the biggest private equity firms in the world, $130 billion under management. they are in 40 countries. many of them multiple times. many of them multiple times. mexico, canada, u.k., and the mideast countries as well. i also have academic appointments. york,h once a week in new a course called the north american decades, which is i try to describe now. we are no longer in the american century but we are not yet in the chinese century or asian century. that is a good policy school right here in our nation's capital. it has been great fun. i have done it for seven semesters. i have a chair at usc where i speak a -- where i spent a week per semester.
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we do our version of the "shark take." i am a venture capitalist in 11 startups. i have a fellowship at harvard as well. we started this morning with an event for that. i am on the speaking circuit. this is the highest form of white-collar crime in america. [laughter] gen. petraeus: i do participate in that. it is great fun. there is no speaking fee at all tonight. michael: we are very grateful for that. [laughter] and i am active with four think tanks. there are about 10 veterans organizations that i am in, along with byron. it is very hard to say no to those. it is a very full experience. a huge amount of traveling, i managed to get home on most friday evenings when i'm not at the churchill library for dinner with my wife and family. we live in new york.
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i have been very fortunate. michael: there is definitely life after government. gen. petraeus: it can be incredibly stimulating. that is really the essence of what it is you are seeking. it has to fit together. michael: i thought we might step back a little bit and look at fairly recent history. churchill's funds tower may have been in 1940, but yours began in 2007. the commander of coalition forces in iraq. you inherited a failing war effort, but under your leadership the situation there was completely reversed. as you look back on that experience, what are the leadership lessons we can draw from what you accomplished? gen. petraeus: there are a lot of them. the first is always about the team. there is no i in team and all the rest of that. this has to be an extraordinarily collective effort.
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americans, tens of thousands of coalitions, hundreds of thousands of iraqi partners. at the end of it, what you should take from the surge in iraq is the surge that mattered most is the surge of ideas, not the surge of forces. americans000-30,000 attitude -- added to an existing force of 45,000. by 85%ght violence down and stay down for three and a half years. unfortunately, it was undone by highly sectarian prime minister that we worked with to begin with. it was a change in strategy and many of these were a 180 degree shift. from consolidating on big bases to living with the people. 77 additional locations just in
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baghdad. the vast of majority of which we had to fight for him determinedly against an enemy who did not want us in their where they were trying to cause problems, either as sunni militia.s or shia it was a norm is. we're going to embrace reconciliation. you have to strip away as many of the rank-and-file. then we will expose the irreconcilables. advisoronal security designate, we were doing 10-15 high-volume target operations a night. a stacking number -- a staggering number of those. previously, it had been used for ship takedowns, rescuing hostages or what ever.
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a whole host of others. we would not release attain ease until we got extremists out of their midst and had rehabilitation programs and were going to reintegrate the civil and military aspects. it is the big idea. beyond that, there are four tasks of a strategic leader and you have to perform all of them adequately. the first is to get the big ideas right. for me, that is not something where you get hit on the head by newton's apple fully formed. it is generally a process where you start with a kernel of an idea and you shape it into clay. being backbenefit of in the states for 15.5 months prior to this. that is where we did the counterinsurgency field manual. that is where we built the capital from which we drew. very first have the
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speech making command, the letter on the first day to soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, and civilians of the multinational force in iraq. doing.t this you were the commanders would change the mission statement in the first week. all of this. and then you keep working from their. and then you have to oversee the implications -- implementations of the ideas. where do you spend your time? weekly, monthly, all the way up to the quarterly combined camp lane -- campaign plan and review with the military and civil ambassador and right here together, with all the other nations' ambassadors, three stars, two stars, others all there. a really, really painful endeavor every time. about six hours glued to a chair , the really important. that is how you drive a campaign.
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this rhythm of contact with these guys, the planners, the trainers, on and on. overlooked,k is and that is where you gather together. you are constantly trying to be a learning organization. as where you have to determine -- this is where you have to determine the big ideas are. then you take the action. these are lessons, but they are not lessons learned. they are not learned until they are incorporated into the campaign plan, policies, so forth. this works in the private sector. you think of a firm like netflix. hugely impressive. huge idea. we will put brick and mortar out of business by mailing cds out. they did that. works terrific, right up until others do the same thing. now broadband is fast enough. now we are going to deliver movies over the internet. that is great until others catch
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on to that. $100 million on house of cards and others. we will do content and go all the way through that. well. that ceo reasonably kk argues to and to speak. we spent a lot of time on innovation. that is a hugely impressive firm. you contrast that with kodak, which knew digital photography was coming and they got all the way down here and they were too slow to recognize the lesson they needed to learn and boom, you are gone. americans will pay for dial-up access to the internet. they sure will, until google starts giving it away for free. it is who can adapt fast this -- fastest. on the battlefield, we have strong conviction that the side that learns and adapts the fastest is normally the side
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that prevails and we tried to be that side. we have learned the power of netflix at the international churchill society, of which i am also executive director, because of john lithgow's portrayal of churchill in "the crown." gen. petraeus: it is a great big idea. michael: absolutely. speaking of mr. churchill, he famously rallied his nation and the world during the darkest days of world war ii with his great aunt up -- great and uplifting rhetoric. not everyone was so moved. a novelist famously mocked what he called churchill's sham pros and claimed he and fellow officers hated the broadcast. experience, how did the utterances of leaders affect the morale of your troops? gen. petraeus: i think it is
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hugely important. medication is important. that is the second task of a leader. whether it is political or military rhetoric or tommunication, and for what i was worth, i was a speechwriter a couple of times for the nato commanders, essentially for the chief of staff. i am really big on words and i think they do matter. the very first day i put out a letter to the troops. that was setting the tone that the number one task is securing the people. the decisive terrain is the human terrain. we can only secure it by living with them. we're going to live with the people. you have to distill those as well. i had several pages of counterinsurgency guidance. the very first one, live with the people. there is one that said walk. there was another, promote
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initiative. that was added in and you would see these examples of initiative, you would capture them and try to distill them. in that case, i found on a company commander's plywood door of his command post in what used to be a seriously difficult place in baghdad, and on their it said in the absence of guidance or orders, figure out what they should have been an execute aggressively. [laughter] gen. petraeus: so you are always looking for that kind of thing. i think that communication can establish the tone, impart guidance, give energy, promote determination. think of the ringing words of churchill and how they steeled the citizenry of great britain. hugely important. as a whole variety of ways of doing this. i would caution that that rhetoric has to be grounded in reality. you can't view sunshine if it
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has been a really tough day. in fact, i made some changes. had a senior guy called the director of strategic communications or something like that. on one occasion, when we had had a horrible day in baghdad. three suicide car bombs in different major markets, hundreds of people killed. it started out by giving good news. there was good news. the soccer league did start back up. yes, the swimming pools and operation in sadr city and a couple of other things. i said, look, the people of baghdad, they know that this was a terrible day and we owe it to them, to our troops, to everybody to step up to that microphone and say today was a terrible day in baghdad. here is what took place. here is the latest on that. doing inhat we are
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immediate response to that. here is what we will do in the future. we are never going to stop all of this, that we are determined to stop more and mitigate the risk. you can't get ahead. the challenge is if the political rhetoric is too byging and not backed up action, you have a problem on your hands and credibility starts to be called in question. michael: we turn to an issue that has occasioned a great deal of rhetoric but far less action, the fall of aleppo. it falls to churchill's wartime words, tonight, the sun goes down on more suffering than it ever has in the world. president putin has shown no desire to slacken the campaign in syria. under president obama, the united states has mostly stood
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by and mr. trump has made conciliatory comments about putin and russia. syriaoes this portend for in which it we do about the ongoing carnage? gen. petraeus: i think it portends more bloodshed and it also may portend a situation where humpty dumpty cannot be put back together again. it is hard to see. i don't have a sense that the charlotte sod -- bashir al-assad and the shia militia and even russian airpower necessarily will enable him to conquer all the remaining elements. one of the questions right now is he is in aleppo. does he go back and get paul , and he pullra troops out to go to aleppo and isis is back in there. there is a question about how much farther he can go, number one. number two, we have a real problem. you can never have legitimacy in the eyes of the majority of the
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country, which is sunni arab, albeit though with a reasonable shia population from which he springs, but also syrian kurds and even christians in the population, but how to put that back together. -- the regional policy, the president was go and now it is not. although none of us want to see him stay because of the legitimacy issue and he is the magnetic attraction from would be jihadi's from around the world, you should not go on till you know on till -- you know who will follow him. it could get worse. there is a real conundrum here. our focus is twofold. it has been. it has been to defeat the islamic state and an al qaeda affiliate.
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hows also in some fashion to establish a way forward for the country. originally it was he would go and it would be a great consensus and you would end up hnic a multi-et government. i don't think that is coming. you have to figure out how to stop the bloodshed without completely capitulating. the sunnis and others will not completely give in. at some point in time, you sure them up further, maybe time to do a no-fly zone. folks will say, gosh, the russians are there, you could precipitate a conflict. just be very clear. you then have to be ready. what you cannot do, needless to say, is have a redline crossed and not act on it. injurious tously
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credibility. at some point with the new administration, and this is a case where a new commander in chief, a new team can potentially embark on new opportunities. eyes --nk with wide eyes wide open about president putin ordering invasions of georgia, crime era -- crimea, actions, their knees to be a dialogue with him and talks about what is absolutely unacceptable to us and the article five guarantee, coming of anyone ine nato. that has to be ironclad. it also was discussing the issues. what will be the future in ukraine? how can you resolve the situation in syria?
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they want to see islamic extremists defeated just as we do. again, moving forward in that way is going to be important. on the other side of the world, , the relationship between the number one and number two economies in the world. china and the u.s.. you mentioned china. present elect trump has shown a desire to shake up arrangements by receiving a congratulatory phone call from the president of taiwan. do you think this was a mistake, or is it time to revisit the one china policy? or is it more of a negotiating gambit that has more to do with trade than security policy. gen. petraeus: ill

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