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announcer: if you enjoyed this week's q&a, here are others you might like. retired general talks about his book about the iraq and afghanistan wars. burns talks about covering military efforts in iraq and afghanistan. former defense secretary donald rumsfeld on his book, known and unknown. you can watch these anytime online and search our entire video library at sunday, january 1, in-depth will feature a live discussion on the presidency of barack obama. we're taking her phone calls, tweets, emails and face the question spirit our panel includes --
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of -0- -- view influencer presley journalist and associate editor of the post --on announcer: kellyanne conway recently spoke about her role doing it -- during the presidential campaign at a forum in washington dc. the event also included discussions with women lawmakers and journalists. this was cohosted by politico, google and the tory burch foundation. it is just under two hours. ladies and gentlemen, please
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welcome politico executive director of events, alexis williams. alexis: good morning, everyone. i am the executive director of events at politico. thank you all so much for being here. on behalf of our ceo and publisher it is such a pleasure to look into this crowd and see you all this morning. everyone knows this, but our fourth annual and women rules of some appeared it is a truly summit. women rules thank you. it takes anmagine, army to pull something like this off. not just today's event, which is a herculean feat, but also the entire series. i want to say a couple quick thank you's to the amazing individuals who have put this
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together. on the political side, catherine , hannah, louisa savage edwards, hillary, kate murphy, haley leonard, alex short. thank you so much. side, susan -- they've been fantastic partners with us. they had been with us since the beginning. a special thank you to catherine vargas, who has infused a new sense of purpose and calling and direction with this series. burch foundation, thank you for always asking us to do more and to deliver better results and focus on what is most important, which is bringing us all together. and finally to our amazing
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marketplace vendors. i'm sure some of you had a chance to look, but go take a swing around when we have a break. there are some amazing women who have taken the risk, become entrepreneurs and are now selling their wares to all of us. while you are there also please enjoy snacks. quickly a round of applause to all of those fantastic people. [applause] so, i would say that women rule at this point is much more than just an event. it is a form for discussion, a place to learn new things, and an opportunity for people to knowct and get to individuals you would never have another opportunity to meet. -- we cannot ignore what this year has been. what history will remember 2016 as is uncertain, but there were
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incredible lows and incredible highs. i hope that we can acknowledge some of the hard parts, acknowledge some of the divisive, raw things that happened. but also remember there were amazing, richmond spirit we had the first woman be now to run for an amazing party and that is something we should all be proud of. [applause] the first woman successfully run a presidential campaign. those are two major strides. we cannot let go of that energy, that momentum and that success. i hope we look at this conversation and this program in the context. i hope today we can stop and reflect and we can act and think about how together, is a room as -- room of powerful and amazing women, we can have impact.
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one of the most important parts of this entire series is the ability to connect and the ability to meet new people. one way to make that happen is through our ambassador roundtable conversation. there is one ambassador at every table. senior women from all different parts of washington. they have spent their careers doing amazing, different things. they will help facilitate dialogue and help people talk and connect. ambassadors, if you would not mind just standing up, i would love to give you a round of applause and say thank you for being here. [applause] fantastic. in a similar vein, one interactive activity, which is a lot on wednesday morning -- but everyone introduce yourself to two people you do not know. your name, what you do, or what you hope to do.
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so everyone please, go for it. [chatter] getting your attention back might be harder than i anticipated. you can keep networking later. ok. that was great. a little more ambitious than i thought. more of that to come, don't worry. --ore i hand over theoretically hand over the mic, i want to encourage you to do three things today. emily to focus on expanding your perspective.
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take in today's conversation as ways to learn more about different people. i want you to expand your networks and i want you to think about what we all have in common and what can i as individuals. if we can do that i think there is a lot of power to be had. speaking candidly, i see an amazing group of powerful, motivated and creative women who are capable of really, really incredible things. let's come together, let's collaborate with those who you agree with and importantly, those you don't. importantly, let's look to where we all collectively want to go. and while we're at it, let's make sure to have some fun. introducein, let me lee dunn for some brief remarks. [applause] >> good morning women of washington.
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google toexcited at be part of this event for the fourth year in a row. our washington dc office is headed by a woman. our cfo is a woman. women rule at google and in washington. i am excited to be here today. it was not just a presidential year. i work in the elections division at google where i sell advertisements to all different types of clinical entities, candidates. you can blame me if you saw too many ads online, because you're probably tired of them. no more, we're done. we have 40 women filed to run for senate in the u.s. this year , which is a record. that is amazing. we should definitely be proud of what we women did this year. four women won this year. very exciting. the number of women who filed is a record for 2016. that is pretty cool. for the house, 272 women filed
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to run for the house this year. that is not a record. 2012 had 298. so, we have to work on that. encourage women to run for office. we had eight women who were challengers in the house. we have more women coming to washington and more women support in washington. one thing we encourage our candidates and political clients this year to do is that we learned a big listen -- lesson in 2016. do not make assumptions about voters. i urge you to not make assertions about women in this room, in this town, in different political parties, women who do something different from you. i hope we can all come together and support each other to make 2017 a really exciting year. ads that we thought would resonate with women sometimes it up. things blowing up did not appeal to soccer moms.
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i help you allow some of your assumptions to drop. welcome, and thank you politico for welcome -- for letting google the part of this. [applause] alexis: thank you lee and google. now, without further a do we kick off our first town. i welcome anna palmer to the stage. anna: good morning, i am very excited to start our conversation this morning. i am the co-author of politicos playbook. there is obviously a lot of raw emotions that have followed this election. there is a lot of processing that everyone has been doing here and across the country. the divisive election-year, gender and treatment of women are in the spotlight.
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we're going to talk about women in washington, in congress, and women in 2017. welcome. on the stage i have with me congresswoman marsha blackburn from tennessee. she is a member of the trump transition team and has met with mr. trump. we have debbie dingell from michigan. a very important state in the midwest. i'm hoping to walk through a little of what happened they are in what democrats are looking at in the midwest. we have elise stefanik from new york. just won reelection. she is the next generation of younger lawmakers. i look forward to talking with you about that. and senator amy klobuchar from minnesota. she actually just was named billed,r the most sponsored or cosponsors by a center. in a town where gridlock prevails most of the time, she has had a lot of success.
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let's jump right into the conversation. i want to talk to you congresswoman about the trump transition. we are focused on all the minutia that is happening. clinton pledged to have at least half of the cabinet the women. so far donald trump has had three. as u.s. ambassador -- how important is it that you think women is -- are part of his cabinet? marsha: it is important but the most important thing we want to focus on 70 most well-qualified person for the job and making certain that those of us working on the transition are pushing forward qualified women to fill the roles. when you talk about breaking a glass ceiling you always have to talk about breaking the glass ceiling the right way so that it stays broken and clears the path for other women to come along
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behind you. that is a part of our focus. also, these are such well-qualified women. they are going to serve our nation well. as mr. trump moves forward i have no doubt that you are going to see other women at senior levels in his campaign. and -- in his administration. it is important to note that his campaign was managed by a female. she is going to be here later. marsha: i am delighted you're going to hear from her. she was the first woman to run a republican campaign and the first woman ever to win a national campaign. has come in his
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businesses, appointed many women, and you will see that in the ministration. been watchingall what is happening in trump tower. you have been there. what happens next? we all want to know. marsha: what happens next is the opportunity to visit with mr. trump and to visit the meeting you're going to have. mr. trump and the vice president was in my meeting along with steve bannon and rights previous. -- reince priebus. i'm a huge believer in the tenants and priorities of organizational leadership and 70 in the right queue -- leadership is having the right person in the right queue. you look at someone's strength.
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as you look at organizational leadership you want to make certain that the members of your team have complementary skill sets so that everyone has the chance to excel. that is what we want for our it is how mr. trump is pulling his staff together. anna: are you yourself interested in it? marsha: it is something we will talk about. i like being where i am here it i like the legislative branch and have enjoyed that. we will see. anna: all right, tbd. i want to start with you, senator. as a democrat in the minority, the republicans have taken control of all three branches. how can you view your role as tried to get things done, but also pushing back to nature
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democrats have a voice? i will admit that i thought maybe in my mind we would have someone else speaking at some point. that did not happen. this is democracy. i have always believed to have a smooth transition of power and our job is to go to washington to represent our constituents as best we can. to me that means two things. one is to find common ground where we can find it. certainly the president-elect's first words were about infrastructure. i care a lot about having that bridge fall down in the middle of the summer near my house. -- other role, clearly did the democrats -- we are going to have check and balance on power. anytime you have the executive branch and both houses of congress controlled by one party you would not want some group --
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group to be a balance and a check. it is also possible will have alliances with republicans in the house and senate on things where there might be disagreements with the administration. or congress will take the lead on a bipartisan basis. mcconnell,by senator that is a great example of that with the transportation bill. i think there is going to be a lot of action going on. election, soange people are going to expect to not just there and do nothing. that cannot happen and i do not think it will happen. anna: there's been a lot of cool by -- koombaya moments. republicans have put a waiver in the spending bill where if it
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does not pass, the government shuts down on friday. do you think hold the line on the waiver or do you think we're going to have a funding bill and everyone will get out of town? amy: i think there is an argument people are making that you could easily do it next year when there is a time to have a hearing and do everything at the same time. i'm not certain how all the negotiations will hold out. there are a number of people in our caucus that are open to his nominations. it really has not been about that. there has been a case made that this is not the process that should be used. it should be next year when he is now hitting. the other thing that is much more dominating and our discussions is economics. the coal miners from west virginia and virginia, pennsylvania, whose pensions are ending. the senator has basically put a stop on bills until we get something done because of words we have are not just on the president-elect but also from some republicans that they want to assist these coal miners.
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that is an interesting fact. -- that has been dominating things. working people who have gotten screwed up through the system, screwed by the system, through no fault of their own. nna: in the sand is on the coal miners versus general madison? amy: it is all in the negotiations. there is an argument you could do the waiver or whatever you want to call it. but certainly have not been standing up saying we will never do that. anna: i want to take it to the entire panel. statistics about how many women were running. in a lot of people's minds, the number of women in congress
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stays roughly the same, about 20%. where the questions i would ask women in congress, do you think we have hit a wall? stagnation, the high water mark for women will be 20%? do you think there should be more? >> i want to agree on something marsha said which is that we need to appoint and elect women that are qualified for the job. so, i was obviously very was, ininted, like amy the outcome of this election. when i was not supporting hillary clinton because she was a woman. i was supporting her because i thought he was the most qualified for the job. now i am moving forward and we knew -- need to do that. i do not think women are stagnant. women, we each
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have to figure out how we support women. , when i -- i say this got elected everyone said to me you are not a spouse anymore. i ended up one day very frustrated and i did not know i was speaking and i gave a speech the connected with people more than anyone. people tell me i'm not a spouse -- well, i am. no one else is doing the grocery shopping or the dry cleaning. that is what makes us better and more real. we are program -- we are problem solvers. sometimes we do not like the ugliness of running. -- to have to the raise the money. our job is to help women continue to do all that multitasking but also be a voice at the table for real people across the country. one thing this election was about was that people want real people at the table. they are tired of partisan bickering.
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they want to see something get done. so no, we are going to see more women. my instagram every week as the price of milk, eggs, and bread. $2.99. [laughter] [applause] republicans have led in terms of democrats in terms of getting women to run for office or getting them elected. how do you talk to people that are thinking about this. you are now going to be a second term -- i have played a leading role in helping women run. congresswoman diane black chair our women engage in program and we have successfully gotten two women elected in this class. we need to do better.
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when you stated that you do -- do you think 20% is the high water mark? absolutely not. we look at millennial women, the majority of college graduates are women. women are breaking down glass ceilings on a daily basis. i see that in my p a group. in my class of -- i see that in my pier group. --my class of 2014, you own walters, and in my experience i had one of the most hotly contested primaries in the country in 2014. a lot of the bad invite i received was you need to be like a typical congressional candidate -- a male, age 60. i obviously am not that. instead of running away from the unique qualities that i brought to the table, i leaned into the
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fact that i was young, a specifically young woman. that resonated with all voters across party lines, which is why i think in 2014 and in my experience, 2016, we were able to do well at the polls. anna: you talked about the hurdles for getting women to run. with you have a family, a lot of responsibilities, asking people for money is uncomfortable for everybody. do you think the negative tone -- this campaign in general was the most negative i have ever seen. you think that will be a hurdle for women to raise their hand and say i'm going to take this step and be a candidate? >> i think it is more difficult because a lot of women i have talked to do not necessarily like that. it is one of the top things you hear. that they are going to get attacked.
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first of all, i look at the facts. on election night, i was pretty shocked. admin night i got a text from my daughter and it said, mom, what do we do now? as a mom i thought, where is she? you need to leave right now. and she goes, no, mom, i meant the country. [laughter] day,i told her the next when we finally got to talk, she said she was crying and she cannot talk that night. the next day when i told her was, number one, i went through losses -- john kerry, al gore. [laughter] then i was also able to talk about women who had one in the election. the four new women in the senate, we're now up to 21. including three women of color,
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which is a big deal. duckworth --my that is a big deal in addition women there. then you have the fact that these women were energized through the clinton campaign. gettingrs new people involved. about her what that atmosphere they have to find something they love to do, then they can deal with whatever atmosphere they are in. the mistakes we sometimes make, everyone wants to get involved in the presidential. atting involved in running local job for school board for helping people on those campaigns -- i started with a city councilmember. i read his campaign in minnesota. i learned how you had to get people out at the precincts and do all that. he won and six months later he took a job in florida. but the point is i got that
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experience on a small campaign where i could have more authority and be in charge. i think that is the piece of it. just to work for change and work to change some of these campaign-finance laws which have allowed for more outside money and negativity. any broughte things up is so important and that is those that are coming along at the local level, the state level, then will choose to raise their hand and run for a congressional or a senate seat. many times, women have been hesitant to do that because there has not been the opportunity to build that network. a partye -- when i was chairman and someone would come to me want to run, i would say, who are your natural constituency? maybe they would not really know. they had the desire but they did not have that fundraising
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network or they did not have a large volunteer group around them. decade, thenext next decade of women will have that local and state experience will enable and empower them to move forward at a federal level. i think we are going to see not i thinktle increments, you're going to see some big leaps and bounds in the number of women serving at the federal level. anna: senator, the dean of the women in the senate is retiring. what is the mood like in terms of the bipartisanship? are they starting to come together, is there an effort to come together? amy: we have already have one of our bipartisan dinners. malever talk about the senators.
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[laughter] anna: except for here, let us do what happens. night, berger said last we actually had a -- as barbara said last night, she was saying how the group will continue beyond her. that is a sign of true leadership, of course. out of that group has come people that have worked together and that is what has been important. whether it is susan collins and myself leading the effort when we had to shut down, to bring together 14 people to come up with an idea how to end it. whether it is the work patty murray did on the changes to the education law that has been long waiting to be done. didher it is the work betty with senator roberts on the farm bill. we have had a lot of women
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demonstrating leadership on both sides. senator michalski put together a bill focus on energy efficiency that we would love to get done by the end of this year. we have had moments of leadership where people have come together. in fact, i'm going to have to leave early today because if i do not be there to be the ranking member on the time warner at&t hearing, women will not rule. there will be a blank seat. anna: i know you need to run so i'm going to ask you one more question. you talk about all this bipartisanship. when piece of advice could you give to the women here were going to be coming into a divided washington, a partisan washington next year? what is the secret to your success? amy: it is to keep being optimistic about our country. i was just this weekend with
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about 300 air national guard people that had come back from all over the place. south korea and from croatia and other places. families andheir how we are all focused on who said what and what you know got out and what video is showing -- you just think that whole time they were serving our country. the advice is to try to have that mindset. you go into this for a reason. is not just a game. we have huge challenges for people in this country, whether to make sure they have a decent job for women to be treated fairly. some really exciting opportunities. we are governing from crisis anymore. we are governing from opportunity. a lot of that opportunity is for women. when you look at our numbers in the government, we look at the ceos, we made
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improvements but we should be. if you have a cause to fight for, you do it yourself. by ruling. anna: thank you so much. [applause] i think they will take it off for you. [laughter] anna: thank you so much. we have a few more minutes. she talked about the bipartisanship in the senate. you have been here a long time, you are on the outside as it advocate -- as an advocate for a long time. people do not live in washington anymore for the most part, so you do not have those friendships. is that something that you feel like it needs to be changes? is having the bipartisan dinners -- they both know i feel this
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way and they're both good friends. i started to organize the bipartisan retreat that happened a decade ago because i thought it was really important for people to know each other in developed relationships. if you know somebody it is very hard to demonize them. it is easier to find common ground. of the most popular, if not the most popular event for members of congress, especially in the last session -- i was trying to come up with an idea -- i remember talking to you about it -- how to bring people together at a place that is close to the capital. if you go off the capital, it is impossible. it would need to be educational. what if we started a history dinner cg -- dinner series at the library of congress. somebody who now makes it really work said that is a great idea. now those dinners are sold out.
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the very first one i did, the person -- the people who helped underwrite it -- my staff said he will never get more than 30 members of congress. i had people like you would never seen. 40 senators, republican and democrat. maybe it a of coming over and finding -- now they are sold out. these are members of congress that are jaded, they raced to get their first so they have a seat of front. when you sit at those tables, house members, republicans and democrats -- you have got to do more that. , andced for that plane come back as late as you can. but people do need to know each other. i've talked to both of them, is it time for another retreat? no policy, just getting to know
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each other. one of the lessons i think we have seen is the committee of ice chair energy and commerce has done on 21st century tours. that legislation one of the lesi think we of finishing up in the house, became out of a committee on bipartisan vote off the house floor. 344 votesd. 85 votes -- votes. 85 votes. it should be on the president's desk by week end. wen we started this process, work in task force and working groups. that was the setup. it gave us the opportunity not to be in a hearing setting, but it gave us the opportunity to talk to and with one another and with people who were subject
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experts in the areas that we had under review. this is something that will change the way we access health care, the way we deliver health care, and will shift the focus from a one-size-fits-all medical delivery system to a precision medical system. a, butolves the nih, fd the entire process was very collaborative. i think there are lessons for every committee in how we crafted this legislation, how we moved it forward and how we pushed it to completion. anna: congresswoman, what have you seen in the ability to work together across the aisles? have you been able to make friends with her democratic counterparts? >> absolutely.
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i am on the house armed services committee. it is also the largest committee. 55th national defense authorization act. there are tremendous women on both sides. on the republican side you have people like -- on the democratic side you have tammy, susan davis. on a number of issues we had been able to bridge that partisan decide -- divide that you see in other committees in congress. ,y frustration at home oftentimes what i read about in papers, those nationally and media coverage in general, there tends to be a focus on the partisan bickering and less focus on the bipartisan victories. if you look at this past congress, the senator reference the infrastructure built marsha just talk about a 21st century chairs act. the first update to no child
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left behind. those are significant bipartisan victories. pull, in today's push and of 24/7 news coverage, oftentimes that gets lost because the notion that congress is denigrated has seeped into the way politics and public policy has been covered. i hope to change that and talk about my part -- bipartisan victories. bipartisan is not a bad word. you can stick to your principles and be bipartisan. marsha just talked about the process with energy and commerce. that is a great example and that was years at the making. it started at the top with a structured the process. anna: we are about to get to wrap. i want to try to leave on an optimistic note of advice. a lot of us are trying to figure out what is happening in washington and had to -- and how to move forward. piece of advice with -- would
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you -- what advice do you have? >> if you are going into a policy debate, be prepared. i would also encourage everybody to realize that anything that is going to be successful, any endeavor, any project, begins with respect for one another and was building a relationship. -- and with building a relationship. if you have a relationship you have that to fall back on and the ability to approach someone again and say we're going to disagree, let's agreeably disagree and find a way to find a solution. i think women are really good at that. i would encourage focusing and making that a priority as work. debbie: i agree with everything marsha said. be a problem solver. loose texting and emailing.
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pick up a phone and call somebody. there is too much not talking to each other. that is what i would say more than anything -- talk to a person. no texting. i don't know if millennials are going to like that. [laughter] i see your ipad, debbie. [laughter] you can look at all policy issues through the lens of being a woman. whether it is health care, households -- 80% of the decisions are made by women. whether it is balancing your monthly checkbook and your family budget. whether it is saving for your kid's student loan. long, people do not want to talk about issues in terms of how they impact women. but it is effective.
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the medical device industry, would you don't necessarily think of as a women's issue. but as i was touring medical device manufacturers, i noticed that 80% to 90% of the workforce were women. i started talking about it as a women's issue. was as i proud moments talked about it as a women's issue, a week later senator chuck schumer was also talking about it as a women's issue. i took that as a complement. he supported repealing the medical device tax. we need to think more creatively about how to talk about issues on how they impact women. anna: thank you so much for your time and were viable insights. now i would like to introduce my colleague, political leader reporter, who will lead the next conversation. [applause] >> i am immediate reporter for
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politico. i am incredibly excited to be here. this is our women on the trail panel. we will be talking to some of the really important women reporters on the trail. i can see them coming outs. it is really exciting to have this panel because especially this year more than any other week has seen more women covering the presidential race. we see more women anchoring television shows. we see more women leading newsrooms. this is been important not only because there are more women journalists in general, but it is also changing the landscape of not only how we approach news , not that there is a huge difference how women and men approach news, but there is a different view for it. she covered both the bernie sanders and hillary clinton campaign. she is also a politico alum.
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she was part of msnbc's rogue warrior program. they brought in all of their correspondents who had been on the trail nonstop. she was telling me backstage that she is part of a marriott elite program, there is not even an official name for it. she was more on the road than she was at home in the past two years. rihanna keeler, senior political correspondent and anchor for cnn. butcovered hillary clinton also made her mark anchoring on cnn. i'm sure many of you remember he moment when the polls -- >> i have a polls, all of them, t-shirt. she is the only person on the stage and did not attend george washington university. shawna thomas is the washington bureau chief of vice news.
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she was senior producer and digital editor of meet the press. she now leads a team of 10 advice, which is just launched a bunch of new products including a new daily new show. they are trying to up and were typical evening news show. let's get started. in the book the girls in the van, which talked about hillary's run for senate, they were all the scenes where people running into hillary clinton in the bathroom and that could have given them some sort of advantage being a woman reporter. because you are both washing your hands, how's the race? [laughter] that was not the case this time around. >> i'm not sure being a woman covering a female candidate -- i imagine in 2008 it was similar as well, although i did not cover hillary clinton then. it did not get you any added access, i felt. -- i wouldnton
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compare her almost to covering an incumbent president who was running. she came into it with secret service protection around here. anyone who has covered a candidate who has not had service to having service, it puts distance between you. that was also hurt preference when dealing with the press. i would look at accounts from 2000 when she was putting herself out there anyway where you would see -- needed to introduce themselves more. the idea that we would run into her in the bathroom -- we would never use the same bathroom is hillary clinton. it was impossible that that would even happen. major you covered both democratic candidates, bernie sanders and hillary clinton. did you feel that the issues you focused -- covered for hillary clinton were different from
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bernie sanders because of her gender perhaps? >> they were obviously entirely different. it probably had more to do with the fact that not only hillary clinton -- did they organized her campaign as though she were an incumbent, but that was largely how she was covered. this has become a complaint of the clinton campaign in the weeks since she lost. when you focus on that as part of the reason they think they lost. covering her was very different than covering bernie sanders for the that reason. in the beginning of the campaign, nobody took bernie sanders seriously at all. he gave a 10 minute announcement on the capitol lawn and then said i have got to get back to work, i don't have time for this. in classic bernie fashion. we had a chance to get up close and personal with them because he did not have a secret service bubble around them until after iowa and new hampshire primaries. then all started to change.
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b sanders campaign manager has only came claim that we never cover the issues. -- sometimes gender caught up with bernie sanders in a way that -- i did not experience it directly with hillary clinton. there was one instance in which ernie got very upset at the way he was being covered because we asked a series of questions -- there was a flight across the country from washington dc to las vegas, and killer mike, one of his surrogates, and got on stage and said something to the effect of, you should not pay attention to a candidate just because they have a uterus. i perhaps to the teeth out of the lines he used, it was relatively offensive, so forgive me. but there were questions to bernie sanders about these remarks that were made. in he was very frustrated that
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we would pay any attention to that kind of story and why are we not asking other -- focusing on other issues. jane sanders, a key part of the sanders campaign, trying to talk to her about how she felt about the fact that she was running against the woman who eventually became the first female dominate. it was a very difficult subject to grapple with, especially since she had a background in liberal politics. morethink about how much policy was covered in the primary than in the general election. when i look back i think, wow, i remember talking about policy. shawna, you have been in positions of leadership in the newsroom, which is really important. asyou feel having women newsmakers, especially in television -- do you think that
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you approach things differently? do you leave your reporters and producers differently because of where you're coming from? i would say i do not think i approach it differently. being a woman is sort of what of the things where being a woman, someone who is of color, i think journalism suffers from people of lower social economic backgrounds not getting positions in newsrooms. i don't think that is biased necessary, i think your white experiences can help have an argument in a newsroom on how to approach a story and where different questions we can ask, how can we get deeper? being a woman is one of those things, and i think i bring that. being black and from texas, all of these things have to come into it. we need as much variety as possible in newsroom so we do not just to the same thing over and over again. -- this will be my
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own bias -- i think with younger women i try to push them into a harder, especially producers who are on my team. i tried to push them to offer their ideas a little more. i think it is still harder for butg women, not these two, people who are younger than us. i do not try to ignore men, they are still here. [laughter] shawna: but i do think we have to think about that. >> i know as a young reporter i would often have ideas and have to wait for an editor of somebody to ask for an idea before bringing them up. i think that is actually something changing. more women see people like all of you on your tv screens all that long. i turn to cnn and nbc and a scene five different boxes of just women and nobody is blinking and i anymore. -- an eye anymore.
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one thing that came up a lot this season is sexual harassment. this is notable not only because " axisdonald trump's hollywood" -- "access hollywood," bill clinton's accusers, roger ailes issue. upnow your colleagues opened on cnn about their own experiences. what with the conversations like in your newsroom after the phase broke? broke?tapes >> covering the "access wasywood" tape -- iot different covering it as a woman. it would remind people of something that happened in college or something. it hearkened back to something that they probably pushed out of
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their mind. that you realize how many women -- we're not just talking about sexual harassment. that tape is advocacy for sexual assault and unwanted sexual advance. -- especiallyry younger women, they identify the sexual assault of it quicker than mended. men did. than or video orve audio first. we just had a report. that day i was doing the wrap piece on donald trump in hillary clinton. we were heading into airtime on jake tapper's show. i had this story and i need to figure out what i was going to say about it./ i had to use my best judgment on how i was going to address it.
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there were a lot of stories and headlines throughout the election, but that was just something different. i think everyone felt that. but the initial thing i notice from men, and this is not a knock on them, but they thought my goodness, the language in the lotus -- and the lewdness. for women, it is just an issue discussed differently than it was 10 or 20 years ago. i think we were shocked by it because it just felt very different. it felt very different to us. then you saw a lot of men who were taking cues from women. whether it was their lives -- their wives or their girlfriends or phenyl collects. they were using that to -- or female collegaues. they were using that to inform themselves on-air.
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because it really was unprecedented. >> we had megyn kelly of fox news talking about run experiences. does that make a difference, people like megyn kelly, your colleague, have them be a part of the conversation? are we getting more action because they are big names? especially the-- tapes -- itywood" is something that is addressed differently now. it is for sure because there are more women who are willing to step forward and say things in public and say, hey, this is not acceptable behavior. this is not ok. you're talking about how newsrooms reacted -- there is an
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awful lot of -- privately -- hey, iations about, remember on something like that happen to me. since there are more and more women, there are more and more sharing their experiences. the culture around this has changed. it is allow people to talk about it in a public way that i think at the very least changes how it is addressed and what is acceptable in the public sphere. historically, women have been afraid to come forward and say, hey, this is a thing that happened to me. thinka: i cannot help but had that tape come out 20 years ago there would have been a lot of jokes on late-night tv and we probably would not have talked about it that much. because more women are in newsroom, it got covered like something that was serious because it was.
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overu would hear over and -- the battle on twitter was you had a lot of women saying i do not hear people talk like that. guys said i don't hear people talk like that. i would hear from yours who say that is how people talk. maybe the answer to that -- i would say, really? i think the answer is maybe that is not how people talk anymore. -- maybe itinly would be more surprising from someone who is younger. campaignllary clinton complained about how sexism had a part in what happened. do you think that is entirely true? >> i think in some ways there is no way to know for sure. it is something that you can kind of use the data and
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information to attempt to back that up but eventually there thesis'cc written -- written. kelly and -- one thing that became very clear and was brought up on multiple times from the clinton campaign was this idea that the country was ready for a woman president. just not this woman. that was the thing that, especially for the women who worked on the campaign -- she had several women in top positions of power, some of whom had worked for her and her husband for decades, some of homework for president obama. they talk about the information they basically said, your if you're pulling for
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candidates and do all the things that people do when they try to figure out how to get someone elected, the test al qaeda's attributes. other strong enough -- test all kinds of attributes. hillary clinton's name off the top related a datasheet and look at the strengths and ability, you would think she was a man because that is how the data read. she has established over 20 plus that reputation. candidates, that is a very serious hurdle. mandy worked on getting six women senators elected. it is unclear whether a woman who has those attributes, that
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would cause people to say, that puts me off. how is that connected? people see her as strong -- does that cause peopel to say, i don't know about >> jennifer also had a telling insight. approach every problem like i did with president obama. if there is going to be a controversy, put it out of there. jen said, and she was very emotional throughout the entire panel, she said, i thought i was going to do it a traditional way, but i learned that over the years, hillary clinton gets treated differently by the press
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and the voters. ofow have a separate set advice for her because she is treated differently because she is a woman. it is hard to prove that, but that is what they believe. and the debate we are going to have for a long , is it because she is hillary clinton or because she is a woman? part of thes memories of her as first lady and how that plays into it. i don't think anyone has tackled what that means, but we have had multiple conversations in newsrooms. is it because she is a woman or because she is hillary clinton and everyone has already decided what they felt about her? if she facing strong and
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negative opinion about her because she is a woman or because she hasn't been in public life -- or because she has been in public life? >> for people growing up in the 90's, you look at the role hillary clinton played as first than it is so different the role we saw as many other modern first lady. first ladies. you have the issue of the clintons in general. looking at the clintons together, you see this pattern of, it is about a line of legality and not a line of propriety. that has always been an issue for them. i thought that would change with hillary clinton as she went into
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her campaign, but as we saw with the emails came out it spoke to that same ring. -- same thing. shampoo affect for people who saw that side of her. that was her doing or the giving of those around her and she took their advice and went along with it. it felt like an original sin that kept on giving throughout the entire campaign. but, in the end, looking back it was nothing that hillary clinton did. >> donald trump is president-elect. he obviously has an interesting relationship with the media at large. times" did a whole
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study about his tweets and the people he targets. ews stands-- vice n apart from the media, how will "vice news" the approaching donald trump's relationship with the media? >> we are trying to figure out if he will participate in the norms we expect when it comes to the president and the press. in the white house, the press andowing the president supply a context. news, some of you don't even know what it is, check it out on hbo at 7:30 tonight.
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onare not credentialed capitol hill or the white house. we are going to have to find new ways to approach this story and whether that is talking to people who have worked with donald trump in the business anyoner trying to find who has not signed a nondisclosure agreement. whether it is approaching congress even harder and knowing we can get access of their. -- access there. we want access and want to be a part of that, but if we can get that, we will go at it a different way. this will be, in some ways, good for journalism. vicen't think it is just "
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news" thinking this. i think it will make us work a lot harder and think about the stories that matter. i am thinking about it. i have not figured it out, i will not pretend i have. trump changingd with the crowd booed the media and said, no, maybe now they will write the truth. how does leadership approach it in the newsroom when he is calling people out like katie couric and chuck todd? what are those conversations like and how are we going to be approaching them when he is president? who you were and what the sin was and how much of donald trump focused on it, i
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think each individual newsroom was different in how they approached it. i think with katie couric, we had to take security measures. there was one occasion where she had to be escorted out of a rally. nbc's credit, they close ranks around her. she was up there, covering donald trump all the way through. in an age where you are worried about the picture and you need to be in there, the fact that we have people willing to back you up and say, no, we're not going to let this person push us around. they're going to have to deal with you front and center. it sends a message. >> it also came down to a very
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personal level. out andrray was called she talks about what she went through. sarah had come to "the wall from "journal" -- come the wall street journal" to cnn and you know your face is your highline. -- byline. she was at a rally with another cnn correspondent and gary watched it happen. sarah described not realizing how big it was or whether there was a potential threat. her parents were at home worried about her and she noticed that line,- gary, on the press positioned himself behind her. there was something physically
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between the public and sarah. she describes going out and gary saying we're going to go out and discuss what happened. that was her first the.'s and then it becomes a situation where, as a news outlet, you are involved with it. -- she talked about a veteran reporter saying, let's talk about how this changes things going for it and how you are present at an event. >> while he was calling out katie and the news organizations and "the new york times," up to the end of the campaign, donald trump was still doing interviews with all of us. he was still sitting down with "the new york times" for an hour.
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was some of this and act to get act to get- an attention? he kept talking to us. there is something to be said for, even though women were put in this position, in some ways it seemed like he was aching the theence on -- egging audience on. there is a dichotomy there that i'm still trying to figure out. >> that we were a bit of a foil. i ended up interviewing donald because jakeplane er did not jake tapp arrive on time.
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i had about 90 minutes to think about how this was going to go down. when i was surprised to find out in short, he was extremely gracious and extremely welcoming. he wanted to have the interview and seems genuinely glad to see us. lot oftainly there is a the give and take during the interview and a lot of pushing back, but it was actually a really interesting interview to do. the night he had blown off the republican debate a few days out from the caucuses. for me, not having a lot of exposure on that level too donald trump and going in and seeing this is pretty easy as far as a reporter's experience. usedere is no question he the press and the media.
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it happens every time. he ticket on a new level by calling out people, but when we were first getting into this race, we heard that over and over. i remember the day he announced he was running. looking back, i did not think we were late -- we were ending up. we wereat interview -- up here.pear -- ending trump towerup to and it was a pleasant experience. o'neill's of shakeel signed paperhad a
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from scott walker. how donaldnce showed trump understands how the media landscape works and how he has cultivated a relationship with the press. we will see how that continues. itter and the fact that he can interact directly with the public change that degree? will he use the oval office? there has been a lot of back-and-forth with the networks. they are talking about thestance to putting instead ofl address other programming. i doubt that if donald trump
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wants to give an address, it will pose much death -- much of a problem. realize, we had interviewed the -- the incoming president of the united states. of situations did not happen with hillary clinton. trump was famous for calling executive producers and the head of a phone callet from the donald trump complaining about something, i have not gotten those phone calls. those phone calls and this, they definitely this, but i would say , i would like to think it did not change how we approached interviewing donald trump,
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especially on meet the press. he has people's phone numbers and he uses his phone and he will call whoever he wants. i'm going to leave that one at that. >> one other note i was going to make. we are all still human. our ownmen, we all have events we are dealing with. four of us have either gotten engaged or married in the last year or so. i hope some of you can say something about how it is been being so busy while still having a personal and. -- personal life. we had to try on wedding dresses and he brought the crew with you. ou brought the crew with you. >> we were shooting part of our
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"girls on the bus" series. i had a very bizarre campaign experience, which was pretty normal insulin may when my mom til madey normal un when my mom died suddenly. assumed my year would be all about the campaign and that was what would define it. and all of a sudden this of thing happens that made me realize -- the campaign in the end was a supporting role. my year has been very different than people who had defined by their campaign. in may, i would have some of the normalcy of covering campaign
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event because they were in california. events because they were in california. i had some time off, which was weird at a time when everyone was working. if the in perspective as we went through this six.. put it in perspective as we went through this year and experience. i am just to the point where i can talk about it without crying. i'm all about public crying now. i don't even care. i have probably woken up reporters where i am crying in my hotel room and they are next door. i have cried in public and on the convention floor. i had a really weird year.
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if people did not know what was going on, they probably judged. real life outside of what we do and what we do is obviously very important, but, like you said, putting things in perspective is important. we have run out of time. i could sit here forever and have cocktails. thank you all for coming. we really appreciate it and we will see you guys later. [applause] to reintroduceg anna for our next conversation. is it to be back on stage here with kellyanne conway.
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just a few housekeeping notes, womenrule. online is # you hardly need an introduction to this crowd. --ly and is president and recently gained that as the first female campaign manager to win the presidency for donald trump. we were talking about this historic campaign. everyone thought it would be historic or the first woman president. was this country not ready for a woman president, or was it
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hillary clinton? >> we look at that question early on. as a republican consultant, i often find myself working for a candidate running against a female. i think in this case the answer is very clear. the question or voters that we you very early was, would but for that woman, not a woman. you look at the end of her campaign, she was able to campaign with a very popular sitting president and a very popular sitting first lady. a former president who happens to be her husband happened to campaign for her. that is pretty good and she had a resume. the typical d.c. resume.
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she had a very respectable resume as first lady of the night dates, first lady of arkansas and secretary of state. airare breathing rarefied when that is your resume. and hillary clinton is an atypical woman in politics and that she was able to ascend to so many different levels and positions and deserves our respect for doing so. but it was the negative aspects of hillary clinton that people have lived with for years that bothered many voters. and if the budget head with -- witht butted heads americans who wanted to take the country in a different direction. she found herself as defender of the status quo.
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you saw strong majorities of americans saying they did not trust her or find her to be honest or trustworthy. we saw those numbers for so long them.eople became used to that began mattering to voters. i want to say something general about women in politics but also significantly for hillary clinton. when i look at female candidate, normally, all things being equal in the that a mix of the campaign, female candidates have three big advantages. one, voters see them as fresh and new. like joni ernst in iowa. learn more about her and see her biography.
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let me get to know her. pattyme thing happen to when she ran for senate in washington state. i think women are often been in politics as the new, fresh perspective. that did not apply to hillary clinton. she was not seen as fresh and new. that is number one, number two, relate ability. -- number two, trust. number two, realateability. see, they don't
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women as making backroom deals as they are seen as more honest. third four female candidate, they are seen as being great and genuinelyders interested in what the other side of the aisle believes. she was not necessarily seen that way, fairly or unfairly, by bronislaw of the -- by a large number of the electorate who saw her as more partisan. i also felt early on that she was not going to be able to benefit from those attributes that are worth a point or two or three two other female candidates. >> another thing that hillary made a big issue of is making her50% women -- making
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cabinet 50% women. how important do you think it is that he had women around him in those powerful position? positions? >> donald trump has always elevated women to the highest echelons. it was donald trump who elevated the first female in presidential role.cs to that and he is doing it in his cabinet. i remember we were sitting in a meeting and he walked in and look at me and said, are you the first woman to ever run a presidential campaign. and the guys in the room said, first republican woman.
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andways think of mary kay donna brazil. i respect them enormously. but this was probably two weeks after he gave me the job. he did not say he would do well among women or this would be something cool and new. doing, he had seen me different things on the job and he asked me if i could run the campaign. i appreciate having been promoted on merit and bringing to bear whatever those special characteristics all of us have. took the job think differently than your predecessors? there is a lot of scandal happening at that time. how did you approach the job? methodically.
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i cannot create or draw anything. i am a math and science person. the how itata and work- and see how it can within a campaign. pollsters and politics today are putting everyone in little boxes. you are african-american, a single mom, and of course it is important to all of us who we are demographically. there are bigger categories and age.gender, ethnicity, and those are -- it is really like choices that affect our circumstances -- it is really life choices that affect our
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circumstances. data team.ntastic small, scrappy, entrepreneurial and victorious. my work with consumer america ed.p if you feel you were affected negatively by the affordable care act, it did not matter what characteristics were. maybe my management dollars a little bit different. i ended up being a mother can do mother hen to a lot of them. isald trump is someone who comfortable with and familiar with having women in leadership
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positions. with mything that helps leadership and him and i do not sugarcoat things. i told him i will not call you by your first name, but it helped me deliver the goods, the bad, and the ugly. candid anded me be have his ear by not sugarcoating things. but being tough with a big smile. of talk has been a lot about your role in the white house. >> my children are 12, 8, and 7.ven -- and >> i told them that mommy is on
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her semester abroad. i went home most nights. just observing the commuting time and the lack of sleep, which everyone in this room can relate to on some level. i went home most nights to help with homework or make breakfast. did not have children, i would laugh at this notion of quality time, but now, they have to come first. in terms of going to the west wing, i will do whatever the president-elect and the vice president -- i worked with mike pence for 10 years.
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i fully support the administration. i think they are going to do a lot of great rings very quickly -- great things very quickly. this time of divided government is over. opportunitiest of for women in media and government affairs. we still have to make choices. rolei was discussing my with other senior campaign folks, they would say, we may have four kids, but there is nothing that comes after the but that makes sense to me. thempolitely mentioned to that the question is not, would you take the job.
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the question is, would you want your wife to? would you want the mother of your children to do that? andsee their faces change they say, oh, they would not want their wife to take that job. >> of course there are challenges between working and being with your family, but are you cutting out a lot of talent to not have mothers in the white house? >> all women are welcome in the the trumpndie -- in white house. a friend made a really fascinating suggestion to me go on the i could then put in aand
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full day by 2:00. maybe i can help the kids with homework and then go back. she was suggesting i could help america's women feel left guilty about balancing life and career. and there is something to that. like it was alt very family-friendly workplace mp -- donald trump campaign. lawyer, i looked around at the female partners at the law firm and they had different circumstances and journeys that had gotten them to that wanted position. none of them had children and i
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thought wow. createout on my own to these choices. you have to make the decision and be comfortable with it. everyone should be respected for making her own choice. i think if i could reverse the be more kindwould coverage for what i was doing. the fact that i am the first woman does not get covered a lot because i'm in the wrong party. in this magazine they refer to me as a political parent --political parrot. the 2008ay from campaign feeling really icky. i have two daughters and a son
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and he can't feel good about that -- you can't feel good about that. you talk about limiting opportunities for women, but we -- do we even have each other's support on the way there? >> you talked about your relationship with mike pence. how --s a lot covered on on what role he is playing. what is going to be his signature issue? >> the vice president-elect is a really fascinating man. he early on saul donald trump -- saw donald trump as a political movement. he has an opportunity to be a
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very activist and very successful vice president. he spent 10 years in congress. he was the face of the party before he left to run for governor four years ago. he has a good relationship with sitting members and he has the trust of the president to execute on legislative agenda. we have the hundred day plan and you can read it and see it. ands very solution based transparent for all to see. the vice president elect mike d doingill be taske various pieces of that. he is interfacing with all the landing teams and he selection. energy orgoing to be
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-- >> the hundred day plan includes energy, taxes, editing, taxes, spending and regulation. mike pence has been incredibly supportive and the untold story is the success of a campaign that went after the midwest by having the governor of indiana he cut the unemployment in half and increased charter schools in his state. this is great to have someone who was part of the midwest. >> one of the big issues has been fake news.
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gate and a gun being discharged. when you think enough is enough -- when do you think enough is enough? >> he said something a few days ago. as donaldmp -- andp's campaign manager someone who loves this country, news wasff -- false corrosive in this campaign. trump willt donald senate,the house and that hillary clinton is not mentioning his name and the race is over. it was not true. even two days before
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the election was giving off the record things that it was not their fault they were going to win. >> it was not as if this was coming out of the ether. >> we did lots of briefings with the networks and reporters. i told them we at least had one path and it was protecting the four.or -- core protect the core four and add on new hampshire and maine. we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to get one delegate.
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270, not road to popular vote. my session was pennsylvania and we call it our reach state. trump-pence to pennsylvania and melania trump gave her biggest speech there. in michigan and wisconsin, we were out there trying to show everybody how we would win. maine, for americans who rely ,pon complete and fair coverage -- for americans who rely upon late and fair coverage, they can news did them a disservice -- fake news did them a disservice.
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>> speaking of a divided country, we did a poll on --ctions to donald trump's donald trump's deal with carrier. trump willk donald be like ronald reagan and try to get approval on opinions like this or is this a divide like to be washington elite versus people in the country? >> i saw your question of how does change your opinion of donald trump. i thought about 74% of republicans, 50% of democrats and some independent said it changed their opinion of him.
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you elevated carrier and this whole idea of bringing jobs that his country from mexico or china or preventing them from leaving in the first place. the moment you get the opportunity to execute on that, you are there. you don't wait or have a commission or ask congress. a lot of great ideas go to capitol hill to die. i'm not surprised there is a natural resistance. two things i will promise you one, heesident trump is will try to execute on these hemises very quickly and two is somebody who took his message and hey to the people doesn't that through a number of platforms. he certainly did it through his
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rallies. another thing that was obscured by the press as the important -- as being important. in thousandsking of people. it mattered for positive, local coverage that you did not see because you do not live in that state or county. that is donald trump taking his case directly to the people and that is donald trump you will see as president where he always cared about what the public thinks. my first boss in polling hobby something many years ago. president reagan used poll not to find out what he believed or which way to go, he used polls to make sure the message that he intended to convey what being
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heard. he wanted to make sure there wasn't confusion about why he was doing something. he wants to make sure that the -- publicthat knowledge and being transparent, draining the swamp is very important to him. layertry to pull back the to how you got to the position you are in. when you grow up, your grandma and your mother and your sisters lived with you. >> a version of "the golden girls" raised me. >> how does that impact you in terms of your role models and how you grew into this role? >> it is the gift that he's on
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giving. i grew up with my mom and her sisters. i was a only child. my father left when i was very young. the impact it had on the long-term is to be grateful. to really have a grateful heart because, it is so easy to complain about everything today and when i catch myself doing that i remind myself of all the blessings and all the guests -- s andll the gift opportunities. i think of my mom as a single mom in the 1970's. husband.kful for my house that was half irish and half italian. labor union, nobody went to
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college, catholic. everything that points to democratic party. had a single liberal conversation that i can recall. everything was safe and family. andverything was faith family. is iegative part of that spent my life being a very self-denying person. we don't ask for what we and i remember, years ago when i was starting out. and ion cnn as an analyst my pollingfrom company. someone from the speakers bureau and the gittleman said there is wantingtry group that
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for 20come and speak minutes at the mayflower hotel and take questions for an initial 20 minutes. you're welcome to come to lunch and stay for the entire conference. do you work with an agent. i said, you need to talk to me directly and he said, what is your speaking fee. i knew no matter what i said, i would be a giver and not a taker. he asked me an open ended question and i really panicked. i was looking at the mayflower hotel and i thought i can walk a half a block. i said, i will have what he is having. if mark and i are going to do the same thing, i said, -- it
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was 1996 and he said, march requested $3500. requested $3500. i hung up the phone and fell to the floor. i was so excited. on another day, i would say, it was a privilege to come and speak. navigateto learn to both ways. i still think it's a great time to be a woman in america. we are very independent thinkers and it is a very special time. thiscrowd sourced question. is the thing out of this election that people want to to hear?
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you are with donald trump when the "access hollywood" video came out. what were you thinking? what was the first thing i did -- you did? the first thing we did was we had to tell him about it. we were in the date -- debate prep. he apologized to everyone. the heartfeltnd apology he wrote. or he would not have said it. a few days later was the second debate in st. louis. about thats to learn as a pollster, with voters, there is a difference between
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what offense you and what offends you-- what and what affects you. , to write 50 me in business,to me and life and i had to mark down whether they would be a dealbreaker or not dealbreaker, i would have completely failed. there is no rhyme or reason to how people reacted. we saw across the country that will make their opinions. >> how quickly did you go into the field to test? >> we were continually in the field to test.
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we did not do any national polls. 12 or 14 states where we were trying to compete. polls, werybody's took a hit in the polls and everybody who wants him to drop out had dropped out of cells -- dropped out themselves. something that politicians a don't do and that is take responsibility and apologize. my reaction that i expressed privately was a combination of what mike pence and melania trump and donald trump said about it. great reflection point and the month to go
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election was november 8. was, the t4 to head with the message of what we were doing and what is important to american. this is a question where his voters are very loyal. they believe he is going to bring those jobs back and build the wall. andce the tax burden encourage energy and entrepreneurship. opportunity for the clinton campaign to talk about something else. i could not believe how much time she took off in august. it was astonishing to me as a campaign manager who could not stack of the schedule enough for a man who wanted to constantly be with a different people in different states. i would have talked about
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something bigger and brighter for america. some people would say, i'm done with him and she had this amazing message for the rest of america. that did not happen and that helped us a great deal. >> you never thought about quitting? >> i never thought about quitting. i will tell you that i committed -- i also know the full measure of the man and maybe that is because i'm with him every day. i have to judge people the way i want to be judged, which is the full measure of the man and i have always found him to be very open to women in leadership. iry gracious, a gentleman and have never seen or heard anything from our younger rappers otherwise. -- younger staffers otherwise.
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some of them took a semester off or delayed better paying jobs before they believe in this -- because they believed in this. i wanted to do it for them and him. >> what is next? it is probably a matter of sequence. , you needrt term somebody who has the president's trust and someone who knows him. actually has relationships into donors, grassroots, capitol hill so we can play defense and go on offense when it comes to appointing his nominees for the judiciary.
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we get the make sure message out to people about how they will be greatly impacted by infrastructure investments and by 25 million jobs created over 10 years. or how we are going to protect the 20 million people who rely upon the affordable care act but do well by millions of others who feel like they have gotten a raw deal and their choice and access of quality are diminished. can you work on the grassroots army and continue to and kell-- kellyann ?hisperer >> when it comes to him, he is our president. i was always raised in a nonpolitical house and was always raised to respect to the
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office of the president and its current occupant. i am going to go with president obama on this where he has been incredibly supportive and gracious as has first lady michelle obama to melania trump in once to see peaceful transfer of power in our great democracy and giving it a chance. we need to come together as americans and recognize the american-made -- america made. it would be fabulous to have more support among the population. when donald trump said he would be the president for all americans, not just those who , he meant it.


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